[RBW] Bar wrap direction

[Philip Williamson]

I’d follow their directions and see how it goes. I wrap end-to-stem, inward 
toward the bike (I think - I did it today, but I always have to look at the 
bike to make sure). For a while I did the trick where you wrap ends-to-levers, 
and stem-to-levers, but the only advantage was no “finish” tape or twine near 
the stem. I wrapped stem-to-ends once, and tucked the tail into the bar once, 
and it was fine but not a game-changer. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] WTT-Mark's rack for Nitto 34F or 35F

[Steve Butcher]

I'm currently using a Mark's front rack on my Rosco Bubbe mixte but would 
like something with a larger load rating.  If you've got a big Nitto front 
rack and want a small one, instead, let's talk trading.  Of course, I would 
expect to pitch in some boot.  

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri

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[RBW] Re: Oddly Harmonic Pastel Brutal Chill: Riding into the New Year

[Steve Butcher]

And, may God continue to startle you with joy!  Thanks for the blessing!

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:05:57 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which the clay of creation reveals the violence and pain and tears of 
> this fallen world are not the final answer.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/oddly-harmonic-pastel-brutal-chill
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter question

[R Shannon]

Joe, right you are. If I didn't already have the parts I would be inclined
to wait for the new shifters.

John, thank you for your input!

Best regards,
Richard

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Don't forget that Riv is coming out with a new Silver thumbshifter soon.
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[RBW] 101 NEWBAUM's & Twine Uses

[Surlyprof]

3) We used the hemp twine to tie up our Thanksgiving turkey.

Happy New Year everyone.
John

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[RBW] Silver Shifter question

[Surlyprof]

I’m using them on an 3x8-speed Hillborne with Albatross bars and they’re 
working out great on the outside of the bars.  I did try them on the inside of 
the grips and didn’t like the way the cable ran under front curve of the bars 
since I like that as a second grip area.  They are very long (compared to the 
Sunrace shifters).  I have a 1/2-3/4” gap between the grips and the clamp.  
Don’t forget the adapter.

John

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[RBW] Re: How to mount B&M tail light on this rack?

[KenP]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/9730557@N07/32373000565/in/dateposted-public/

I had a local shop braze in an aluminum plate

On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 7:14:46 PM UTC-5, Ash [who works to bike] 
wrote:
>
> I recently replaced my rack with the one that came with Burley Piccolo kid 
> trailer.  The trailer system is wonderful, except, the rack has no option 
> to mount a light (picture attached).
>
> What option exist, if I'd want to still use my B&M dyno tail light?
>
>
>
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[RBW] WTB 56 BMC Monstercross frame

[Andrew Huston]

Not much else to say. Looking to build into a SS commuter. 

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[RBW] Oddly Harmonic Pastel Brutal Chill: Riding into the New Year

[WETH]

Lovely! Happy New Year!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter question

[Joe Bernard]

Don't forget that Riv is coming out with a new Silver thumbshifter soon. 

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Re: [RBW] Bar wrap direction

[Eric Norris]

What Olaf said. Wrapping stem-to-ends can help if your hands tend to slip 
forward on the bars—your hands catch on the edges of the tape, which 
unfortunately get worn and frayed more quickly.

All of my bikes are wrapped end-to-stem.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Jan 1, 2018, at 1:20 PM, olofst...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> The good thing with wrapping from the end to the stem is that the tape – 
> regardless of material – is wrapped rooftile-wise so that your hands don´t 
> roll up the edges outward-downward. If that isn´t a problem for you and your 
> intended tape, do it either way.
>  
> And a pleasant New Year!
>  
> Olof Stroh
> Uppsala Sweden
>  
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ted
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 7:55 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Bar wrap direction
>  
> Back in the nearly forgotten days of my youth I recall wrapping bar tape from 
> the stem to towards the end, tucking a bit in the end and finishing with a 
> bar plug. But for years now (since I started using cork) I've been wrapping 
> the other direction and finishing with tape or twine. I figure the change is 
> because thick stiff cork won't tuck into the end. But it looks like folks 
> around here tend to also wrap cloth tape from the end towards the stem. Is 
> that because bar end shifters favored by many don't play nice with tucking 
> the tape inside?
> I ask because I'm going to give some Rivet leather tape a try and it came 
> with smallish end plugs and instructions to wrap from the stem to the end and 
> tuck the tail inside.
> I'd appreciate hearing folks views on the finer points of wrapping drop bars 
> with cloth/cork/leather.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter question

[R Shannon]

Hey Guys:

Many thanks for your observations. I've been using a Shimano for a thumb
shifter on my Atlantis but would like to move that to a Roadeo (with bar
ends) I'm building. Currently using Silvers as bar ends and down tubers but
no experience as a thumbie.

Thank you and best wishes for a happy and healthy 2018!
Richard

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Howard Hatten  wrote:

> I was able to shift 10 speed using the Paul thimble , silver shifter
> combo. No problem
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter question

[Howard Hatten]

I was able to shift 10 speed using the Paul thimble , silver shifter combo. No 
problem 

Howard
Livonia Mi 

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RE: [RBW] Bar wrap direction

[olofstroh]

The good thing with wrapping from the end to the stem is that the tape – 
regardless of material – is wrapped rooftile-wise so that your hands don´t roll 
up the edges outward-downward. If that isn´t a problem for you and your 
intended tape, do it either way.

 

And a pleasant New Year!

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ted
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 7:55 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Bar wrap direction

 

Back in the nearly forgotten days of my youth I recall wrapping bar tape from 
the stem to towards the end, tucking a bit in the end and finishing with a bar 
plug. But for years now (since I started using cork) I've been wrapping the 
other direction and finishing with tape or twine. I figure the change is 
because thick stiff cork won't tuck into the end. But it looks like folks 
around here tend to also wrap cloth tape from the end towards the stem. Is that 
because bar end shifters favored by many don't play nice with tucking the tape 
inside?
I ask because I'm going to give some Rivet leather tape a try and it came with 
smallish end plugs and instructions to wrap from the stem to the end and tuck 
the tail inside.
I'd appreciate hearing folks views on the finer points of wrapping drop bars 
with cloth/cork/leather.

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[RBW] Happy New Year and two new products from Velo Lumino!

[somervillebikes]

Happy New Year from Velo Lumino!

While I've been hunkering down in the sub-zero temps of New England, I've 
finally had time to update the Velo Lumino website with a couple of 
exciting new products.

A few months ago I introduced a new dynamo taillight for seat-tube mounting 
, styled after the 
fender version of the taillight. Today I'm happy to announce the seat tube 
version is also available in a black anodized finish in addition to the 
original polished finish. The seat tube taillight requires a brazed-on M6 
threaded boss (not included). Like the fender version, these are entirely 
waterproof and also incorporate a few changes from the original fender 
version to make them essentially bomb-proof. $119 for either finish and 
both are in stock at velolumino.com 
. (The fender 
version of the taillight is sold out and will remain sold out for the 
foreseeable future).










Next, a novel widget is introduced into the Velo Lumino line. This one is 
the brainchild of Tom Matchak (Tom is the other half of Velo Lumino and the 
"TM" in the "TMAT" stem switch that we collaborated on).


Tom's new widget is called the PlugNut 
, and it's a novel and lighter 
(by 4g!) alternative to a daruma bolt. It's a press-fit aluminum cylinder 
for 1" butted steel steerers and it has an integrated stainless M5 threaded 
bore to support a fender to the fork crown. Once installed, it's permanent 
and supports a fender mounted all the way flush to the crown without the 
need for an external bracket, or a daruma bolt and brake bolt. For bikes 
with uncomfortably tight clearances, the PlugNut is an easier solution than 
a Daruma because the only intrusion into the fender space is the shallow 
hex head of the M5 bolt (included). Additionally, the PlugNut has two small 
bores that allow for drainage and also for wiring for a TMAT stem switch 
 (also in stock at 
velolumino.com). If your brakes require a brake bolt, or if you have a 
front rack, you can drill through the narrow walls of the installed PlugNut 
using the fork crown's brake bolt holes as pilots.


Daruma versus PlugNut:





PlugNut installed:





Tom has additional photos of the PlugNut illustrating its installation and 
also a couple of cool videos on flickr 
.




The PlugNut  is $22 and is in 
stock.


Best,


--Anton

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter question

[Bob Lovejoy]

I use that combination and love how they work.  That said, I have only used 
them for old-school 8-speed configs and don't have a ton of miles on any 
particular set.  That said, set up as bar top shifters they are the most 
accessible, intuitive and best tactile feel shifters I have ever used.  I 
currently use that set-up (Silver shifters + adapter + Paul Thumbies) on a 
Cheviot but have also used them on a Joe A.  I did not have the right size 
of Thumbies (the discontinued 26.0's) or I would have used them for the 
drop bar set-up.

Two caveats of notes are that Paul discontinued the 26.0 size thumbies and 
I have had times when it was hard to find the adapters.  I also have to 
tighten them every once in awhile but certainly not often.

Pics of the Joe cockpit in its original guise (using Bullmoose bars):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/34036794636/in/album-72157682579281726/
   
>From my experience, they work extremely well, though I cannot say at what 
point they max on cable pull, etc.

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL


On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:38:50 PM UTC-6, RichS wrote:
>
> Happy New Year all!
>
> Has anyone on the list used a Silver shifter with adapter and Paul Thumbie 
> combination? If so, how did you like it?
> Thanks very much for your advice.
>
> Best regards,
> Richard 
>

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[RBW] Silver Shifter question

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. Works great. 

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[RBW] Silver Shifter question

[RichS]

Happy New Year all!

Has anyone on the list used a Silver shifter with adapter and Paul Thumbie 
combination? If so, how did you like it?
Thanks very much for your advice.

Best regards,
Richard 

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[RBW] Bar wrap direction

[ted]

Back in the nearly forgotten days of my youth I recall wrapping bar tape 
from the stem to towards the end, tucking a bit in the end and finishing 
with a bar plug. But for years now (since I started using cork) I've been 
wrapping the other direction and finishing with tape or twine. I figure the 
change is because thick stiff cork won't tuck into the end. But it looks 
like folks around here tend to also wrap cloth tape from the end towards 
the stem. Is that because bar end shifters favored by many don't play nice 
with tucking the tape inside?
I ask because I'm going to give some Rivet leather tape a try and it came 
with smallish end plugs and instructions to wrap from the stem to the end 
and tuck the tail inside.
I'd appreciate hearing folks views on the finer points of wrapping drop 
bars with cloth/cork/leather.

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Belopsky]

I say check out the Sam

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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Marc Irwin]

   I've had an LHT which i upgraded with a Hunqapillar frame.  There is quite a 
difference in handling.  I always felt I was"turning" the LHT rather than 
leaning through the turns on the Hunq. The Hunq handles more like a mountain 
bike.  
   I've since bought a Hillborne since I wanted a lighter, faster version of 
the Hunq.  It is, and has become the most ridden in the stable. It will handle 
a commuter load easily and be more fun than the LHT.
  I haven't ridden a Homer but Grant has said he needs to look down to remind 
himself which he is riding.

Marc

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Trainer Thoughts

[Eric Douglas]

A couple of additional thoughts:

Yes, trainers are boring.  Music  or Netflix works for me.

Interval training can make for a short & productive workout.

Trainer specific tires make a difference-- besides saving wear on your road 
tires, they are quieter and slip less.

Eric

On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 9:05:29 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Every trainer, bike, rider and manner of use creates its own situation. I 
> used one to rehab a leg before I could walk or ride for real. 
>
> I found the stench from the rear tire friction on the resistance roller 
> contributed to shortening my sessions. I was nothing near a board track 
> pursuit rider making my frame seem liquid in response to the waves of input 
> from my physical awesomeness, but I did pour sweat which I addressed with 
> rags and towels to keep off the hardware and floor. 
>
> I took it outside in cooler weather to mitigate the sweat and reduce the 
> irritation of others at home since that thing with its fan resistance was 
> loud.
>
> I wouldn't go so far as to attach the demise of that bike frame ('86 
> RockHopper) with my use in that trainer, but it tore a chain stay with a 
> crack emanating from the margin of the bridge weld that progressed its way 
> in a spiral around the stay. No phase of my riding on that bike before 
> failure was anything near what would have been challenging to its 
> construction. 
>
> Late (after I could walk and ride again) I got some Tacx 4" rollers for my 
> indoor sessions. I found the response of the bike to my pedaling input more 
> realistic and mentally engaging. After a while I upgraded to an early 
> NiteRider headlight and red blinkie tail light. Much happier for my 
> situation. 
>
> Hope all the input helps you reach the best outcome for your situation 
> Jonathan.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 5:34:09 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> My first (of 3) and only well-used trainer was a magnetic resistance 
>> trainer with this design, with 7 or 9 degrees of resistance. I recall 
>> asking a bike shop mechanic about the flex, and he looked at me with 
>> contempt and said, "What do you think the bike is doing when you ride it?" 
>> I was too abashed to come back with a crushing retort, but I did realize 
>> that he'd missed the point -- the rear wheel did indeed wag. However, bike 
>> shop rats didn't think it a problem, and I did not find it a problem in 
>> practice with my steel Miyata 610 or some such, even spending considerable 
>> periods in 12th gear on Resistance #9, standing and honking hard.
>>
>> BTW, this roller, and the 2 fan rollers I've owned, didn't seem to be 
>> hard on tires; as I said, I put many miles only on the mag one.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:04 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Trainers - some of these have mounts that lock the front fork onto the 
>>> stand, sans wheel, and support the rest of the bike frame with a clamp-on 
>>> device at the BB shell. The rear wheel then rubs against a magnetically 
>>> resistive flywheel affair that can be varied in intensity.  Has anyone ever 
>>> researched what kind of stresses this setup places on the frame assembly?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Oddly Harmonic Pastel Brutal Chill: Riding into the New Year

[René Sterental]

Beautiful. Happy New Year!

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 9:05 AM Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> In which the clay of creation reveals the violence and pain and tears of
> this fallen world are not the final answer.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/oddly-harmonic-pastel-brutal-chill
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Oddly Harmonic Pastel Brutal Chill: Riding into the New Year

[Deacon Patrick]

In which the clay of creation reveals the violence and pain and tears of this 
fallen world are not the final answer.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/oddly-harmonic-pastel-brutal-chill

With abandon,
Patrick

www.CredoFamily.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Trainer Thoughts

[ascpgh]

Every trainer, bike, rider and manner of use creates its own situation. I 
used one to rehab a leg before I could walk or ride for real. 

I found the stench from the rear tire friction on the resistance roller 
contributed to shortening my sessions. I was nothing near a board track 
pursuit rider making my frame seem liquid in response to the waves of input 
from my physical awesomeness, but I did pour sweat which I addressed with 
rags and towels to keep off the hardware and floor. 

I took it outside in cooler weather to mitigate the sweat and reduce the 
irritation of others at home since that thing with its fan resistance was 
loud.

I wouldn't go so far as to attach the demise of that bike frame ('86 
RockHopper) with my use in that trainer, but it tore a chain stay with a 
crack emanating from the margin of the bridge weld that progressed its way 
in a spiral around the stay. No phase of my riding on that bike before 
failure was anything near what would have been challenging to its 
construction. 

Late (after I could walk and ride again) I got some Tacx 4" rollers for my 
indoor sessions. I found the response of the bike to my pedaling input more 
realistic and mentally engaging. After a while I upgraded to an early 
NiteRider headlight and red blinkie tail light. Much happier for my 
situation. 

Hope all the input helps you reach the best outcome for your situation 
Jonathan.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 5:34:09 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> My first (of 3) and only well-used trainer was a magnetic resistance 
> trainer with this design, with 7 or 9 degrees of resistance. I recall 
> asking a bike shop mechanic about the flex, and he looked at me with 
> contempt and said, "What do you think the bike is doing when you ride it?" 
> I was too abashed to come back with a crushing retort, but I did realize 
> that he'd missed the point -- the rear wheel did indeed wag. However, bike 
> shop rats didn't think it a problem, and I did not find it a problem in 
> practice with my steel Miyata 610 or some such, even spending considerable 
> periods in 12th gear on Resistance #9, standing and honking hard.
>
> BTW, this roller, and the 2 fan rollers I've owned, didn't seem to be hard 
> on tires; as I said, I put many miles only on the mag one.
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:04 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Trainers - some of these have mounts that lock the front fork onto the 
>> stand, sans wheel, and support the rest of the bike frame with a clamp-on 
>> device at the BB shell. The rear wheel then rubs against a magnetically 
>> resistive flywheel affair that can be varied in intensity.  Has anyone ever 
>> researched what kind of stresses this setup places on the frame assembly?
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Vintage steel Burley Piccolo trailer and Moose Rack, $175 +

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The perfect companion to any Rivendell, this MUSA Burley original is 
superior to the imitators that grab your seat post, adversely affecting 
handling. This was one of my best ever bike purchases, you won't regret it! 
$175 plus bikeflights cost--I think it can ship in a frame box, so should 
not be too bad. Inquiries off list please. Cross posting to iBOB. Thanks!


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[RBW] Re: Happy Hogmanay! (Scottish New Years)

[ascpgh]

Fantastic Patrick. Thanks for the snapshot of your ride. Seldom do map 
points suffice to tell the story as well as your words and pictures.

It's amazing what commonality we can all find in the riding experiences you 
illustrate, be it the 10°F flat, the terrain on fixed or the healing 
potential and respite of a seemingly taxing activity!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 



On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:00:35 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which sunrise on the last day of the year is spectacular, a wee bit of 
> dandruff falls, we discover fixing a flat at 10˚F is not as fun as it 
> sounds, and the adventure of it all remains a wondrous gift.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/happy-hogmanay
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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