[RBW] Re: [BOB] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Chris Cullum]

Yes, I meant to specify a paint match on the dropouts as opposed to a
contrast. The dropout area is relatively inconspicuous and a slight
mismatch will be not super obvious. They are also subject to chips etc from
wheel removal, chain drop etc. From my experience powder coat is never as
nice as good wet paint, let alone Joe Bell paint. It's less of an issue
with tigged or fillet frame but those lugs certainly warrant the deft touch
of JB. I'm partial to blue bikes and it's a pretty fetching combo you have
already. If you powder coat you're going to lose the original Riv decals
etc if that matters to you.

On Feb 9, 2018 21:37, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

Interesting idea; I certainly could get by with a st panel, but I think
that panels on the lower seatstays and aft chainstays would look weird.

I agree that the refinish will not be as nice as the Joe Bell paint but it
will be nice, and quite frankly, paint is rather low down on my list of
"must haves" for my bikes.

*And,* I recall that wonderful, deep, "liquid" powdercoat the man did for
the old Herse. Really pretty!

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:49 PM, Chris Cullum  wrote:

> The Riv certainly has nicer paint than a powder coat will be. If it were
> me I might just do a contrast panel on the seat tube due to the addition of
> bottle bosses, likewise on the rear dropouts. Especially so because you
> don't care to change the colour substantially.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 09:13, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
> Chauncey will, God willing, pick it up tomorrow for some modifications:
> much longer -- longer-than-1010 -- dropouts, and a second pair of cage
> bosses on the seat tube. He will have it powdercoated by a local shop that
> does good work on bike frames.
>
> I rather think I'll choose the same navy blue, but I recall the Herse that
> this shop did -- a really lovely, "liquid" pale blue. I *do not* intend
> to choose orange or green or gray or black or white. But shades of blue,
> red -- other ideas?
>
> Patrick Moore, who reserves the right to ignore any and all advice (but
> who will certainly listen to it with interest and gratitude).
>
> Here is the bike in current colors -- bar tape is more of same -- if not
> current build:
>
>
>
>


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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting idea; I certainly could get by with a st panel, but I think
that panels on the lower seatstays and aft chainstays would look weird.

I agree that the refinish will not be as nice as the Joe Bell paint but it
will be nice, and quite frankly, paint is rather low down on my list of
"must haves" for my bikes.

*And,* I recall that wonderful, deep, "liquid" powdercoat the man did for
the old Herse. Really pretty!

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:49 PM, Chris Cullum  wrote:

> The Riv certainly has nicer paint than a powder coat will be. If it were
> me I might just do a contrast panel on the seat tube due to the addition of
> bottle bosses, likewise on the rear dropouts. Especially so because you
> don't care to change the colour substantially.
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 09:13, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
> Chauncey will, God willing, pick it up tomorrow for some modifications:
> much longer -- longer-than-1010 -- dropouts, and a second pair of cage
> bosses on the seat tube. He will have it powdercoated by a local shop that
> does good work on bike frames.
>
> I rather think I'll choose the same navy blue, but I recall the Herse that
> this shop did -- a really lovely, "liquid" pale blue. I *do not* intend
> to choose orange or green or gray or black or white. But shades of blue,
> red -- other ideas?
>
> Patrick Moore, who reserves the right to ignore any and all advice (but
> who will certainly listen to it with interest and gratitude).
>
> Here is the bike in current colors -- bar tape is more of same -- if not
> current build:
>
>
>
>


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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Chris Cullum]

The Riv certainly has nicer paint than a powder coat will be. If it were me
I might just do a contrast panel on the seat tube due to the addition of
bottle bosses, likewise on the rear dropouts. Especially so because you
don't care to change the colour substantially.

On Feb 9, 2018 09:13, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

Chauncey will, God willing, pick it up tomorrow for some modifications:
much longer -- longer-than-1010 -- dropouts, and a second pair of cage
bosses on the seat tube. He will have it powdercoated by a local shop that
does good work on bike frames.

I rather think I'll choose the same navy blue, but I recall the Herse that
this shop did -- a really lovely, "liquid" pale blue. I *do not* intend to
choose orange or green or gray or black or white. But shades of blue, red
-- other ideas?

Patrick Moore, who reserves the right to ignore any and all advice (but who
will certainly listen to it with interest and gratitude).

Here is the bike in current colors -- bar tape is more of same -- if not
current build:

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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Ash]

That's one formidable two-wheeler there!

Sage might be my all-time favorite colors for a bike.  Enjoy!



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>
> a week ago today i left work an hour early, rode my skateboard to bart to 
> walnut creek, skated to HQ from bart, and picked up a new 58cm canti sam in 
> sage. i spent that night building the bike with parts bin parts and parts 
> stolen from other bikes in order to ride it on the boyzonthehoods super 
> bowl escape campout. i was up until almost 2 in the morning, but i got it 
> done and made the ride to camp, despite a too-short chain and. my friend 
> had his nice dslr and shot this photo 
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: 60/62cm Quickbeam Owners: Head Tube Length?

[sameness]

Thanks for the info and input! 

Long story short, I bought what was purported to be a 60cm Quickbeam, and I 
am trying to confirm known good measurements. 

I am guessing everything measured by the seller was largely eyeballed, 
rounded down and/or CTC, not CTT...

(Anybody wanna buy a nice green 62cm complete?)

I'm all set, thanks all!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 6:23:49 PM UTC-8, Matt B. wrote:
>
> I'm going to guess ~2cm taller, since the QBs all had the same ST and TT 
> angles AFAIK, and the TT on the 62 is only 1cm longer.  It's none of my 
> business but if you're trying to dial-in handlebar height, you have to be 
> careful with HT length measurements without also considering axle to crown 
> distance (which I think is about 39cm on the QB- much larger than on many 
> older frames with less tire clearance).
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:55:15 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>>
>> Awesome, thanks Philip!
>>
>> Can anyone with a 62cm provide me with a measurement?
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 60/62cm Quickbeam Owners: Head Tube Length?

[Matt B.]

I'm going to guess ~2cm taller, since the QBs all had the same ST and TT 
angles AFAIK, and the TT on the 62 is only 1cm longer.  It's none of my 
business but if you're trying to dial-in handlebar height, you have to be 
careful with HT length measurements without also considering axle to crown 
distance (which I think is about 39cm on the QB- much larger than on many 
older frames with less tire clearance).


On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:55:15 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> Awesome, thanks Philip!
>
> Can anyone with a 62cm provide me with a measurement?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>>
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[RBW] PSA 61cm (?) Toyo Atlantis on SFbayarea craigslist

[Sky Coulter]

Hi all,

No connection to seller. Looks like a nice bike and if I had more money and 
fewer bikes I'd try to buy it myself.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/classic-rivendell-atlantis/6483782116.html

sky in new west

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Re: [RBW] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Patrick Moore]

Erl: thanks for checking. That's fine, I'll just show Chauncey your bike
photo.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:15 PM, WETH  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I checked my invoice from the auto body shop that did the powder coat as I
> was hoping to find a color number for you.  I did not but did notice the
> invoice called it "Ford Dark Blue." Sorry for any confusion.
> Erl
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[John Hawrylak]

Nick

What is the standover height?   Nice bike

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ



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Re: [RBW] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[WETH]

Patrick,
I checked my invoice from the auto body shop that did the powder coat as I was 
hoping to find a color number for you.  I did not but did notice the invoice 
called it "Ford Dark Blue." Sorry for any confusion.
Erl

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[RBW] Re: 60/62cm Quickbeam Owners: Head Tube Length?

[sameness]

Awesome, thanks Philip!

Can anyone with a 62cm provide me with a measurement?

Thanks again!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
>
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[RBW] 60/62cm Quickbeam Owners: Head Tube Length?

[Philip Williamson]

60cm green Quickbeam
Headtube: 7 1/2 inches

Oddly, I measured all my head tubes for the first time ever, earlier in the 
week.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Adam in Indiana]

Looks great!  Any comment on the (slightly) improved tire clearance of the new 
canti Sams?

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[RBW] 60/62cm Quickbeam Owners: Head Tube Length?

[sameness]

Random question, but if you own either a 60 or a 62cm Quickbeam, can you 
please measure your head tube for me and report back in this thread?

Many thanks in advance!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[dougP]

That's a story & photo that deserves being on the Blug.  

dougP

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:30:45 PM UTC-8, adam leibow wrote:
>
> a week ago today i left work an hour early, rode my skateboard to bart to 
> walnut creek, skated to HQ from bart, and picked up a new 58cm canti sam in 
> sage. i spent that night building the bike with parts bin parts and parts 
> stolen from other bikes in order to ride it on the boyzonthehoods super 
> bowl escape campout. i was up until almost 2 in the morning, but i got it 
> done and made the ride to camp, despite a too-short chain and. my friend 
> had his nice dslr and shot this photo 
>
>
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Carla Waugh]

Nice color and many happy adventures!

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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Bruce K Jamison]

My friend calls it my “jazz hands” gesture.   Left hand down, palm back, 
fingers moving and hand shaking.

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:53:06 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Google ate my attempted response, so here goes again. Sorry if this double 
> posts later. 
>
> Bruce said: “If there's no room to be passed, I signal that and take the 
> lane.   Once there is room I move over and wave them around.   It works for 
> me.” 
>
> Sweet! I attempt much the same thing, but with mixed results. Could you 
> help me understand what “not safe to pass” signal you use? 
>
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Re: [RBW] New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Patrick Moore]

Very nice; congratulations!

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:30 PM, adam leibow  wrote:

> a week ago today i left work an hour early, rode my skateboard to bart to
> walnut creek, skated to HQ from bart, and picked up a new 58cm canti sam in
> sage. i spent that night building the bike with parts bin parts and parts
> stolen from other bikes in order to ride it on the boyzonthehoods super
> bowl escape campout. i was up until almost 2 in the morning, but i got it
> done and made the ride to camp, despite a too-short chain and. my friend
> had his nice dslr and shot this photo
>
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Patrick Moore]

When I responded so enthusiastically, I should have added: the blue of
Earl's bike looks *nicer* than the shade on the custom. I'm sure the
quality of the finish won't be as nice a Joe Bell's, but the shade is just
enough lighter that it looks perfect.

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> Ford blue is awesome. As is Gentian Blue used by Black Mountain Cycles 😬
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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Edwin W]

Adam,

Cool! Love the frame and bar tape colors.
What length stem and what kind of bars?

Next project: drops on my Joe A.

Edwin

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 3:30:45 PM UTC-6, adam leibow wrote:
>
> a week ago today i left work an hour early, rode my skateboard to bart to 
> walnut creek, skated to HQ from bart, and picked up a new 58cm canti sam in 
> sage. i spent that night building the bike with parts bin parts and parts 
> stolen from other bikes in order to ride it on the boyzonthehoods super 
> bowl escape campout. i was up until almost 2 in the morning, but i got it 
> done and made the ride to camp, despite a too-short chain and. my friend 
> had his nice dslr and shot this photo 
>
>
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Clayton.sf]

Ran into him the morning he was planning on picking up the frame and saw 
him the next morning on the fully built bike ready to camp! 
#doesnoteffaround!
I believe everything held up too! 

The escape the s-bowl has been put on by Irving Pham for 3 years straight 
here in the Bay. Always a blast! Can't wait for the next one!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA





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>
> Well done Adam! I love the idea of a Super Bowl escape camp out. Not 
> practical where I live but a great concept. The new Sam looks fantastic!

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Front Rack 34F

[Justin Schoop]

Selling my nitto front big rack. Owned it for about a month, mounted a basket 
on top which I can include and hung panniers on it a few times. In excellent 
condition. Will include all parts that riv includes with the rack. Asking $190 
shipped. 

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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Tim Bantham]

Well done Adam! I love the idea of a Super Bowl escape camp out. Not practical 
where I live but a great concept. The new Sam looks fantastic!

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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Ryan Merrill]

For the most part I no longer ride on the road. I live too far away from 
work to realistically commute, so unfortunately that activity was shelved 
when we moved here. I've had a couple of bad personal experiences riding 
with vehicles (yelled at, honked at, intentionally hit, bottle thrown at 
me), local cyclists have had a slew of others, and we've had a death of a 
cyclist by a man who did not have a license because he was legally 
blind and another doctor left for dead after being hit on his tri 
bike...thankfully alive but had to quit his practice because of the head 
trauma suffered when he was hit. Locally, it has just become too dangerous 
and I opted out. 

I do all my riding now on trails or gravel roads, which thankfully we have 
plenty of. 



On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 11:38:33 PM UTC-6, J Imler wrote:

> I do my best to ride my bike vs drive, mostly because riding is a lot of 
> fun along with personal and enviro benefits. In the last six months I've 
> put 2,000 miles on my car. I'm shooting for a sub 5k year. We'll see. 
> The thing that strikes me more and more is how few people ride in my town 
> and how enclosed everyone appears in their cars. I feel like I'm sticking 
> out like a sore thumb. There's a quote I like, the one that says be the 
> change you wish to see in the world. I feel I'm living that out when I 
> decide to ride vs drive.
> Today there was some enjoyment and connection between myself and the 
> drivers though. Several waved and smiled, like they wanted to be riding 
> too. That made me feel good. 
> I'm sure every place has a different cycling culture but can anyone relate 
> to what I'm talking about?
>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Chris Birkenmaier]

So funny, the Bullmoose is about perfect for me BUT I don't do 
singletrack.  I'm a big Jones bar fan too so that general configuration 
works really well for me.

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 3:40:21 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:

> One more thing regarding the control vs. sweep debate (disclaimer: this is 
> just according to me and I have no "real" 3rd party science to back it up) 
> - more sweep allows me to keep my elbows closer to my body, and my  upper 
> body, shoulders and arms more relaxed. A lot of people seem equate this 
> with less control especially when coming from flat and riser bars. At least 
> that is usually their first response when they ride my bike on singletrack. 
> For me this allows me to ride a rigid bike more comfortably on MTB terrain 
> since my arms can now more easily absorb shocks. The bars may come back a 
> bit more which changes weight distribution when sitting but when things get 
> dicey I don't sit anyway and have no issue moving my body forward to weight 
> the wheel. The bullmoose are better in regards to sweep than most normal 
> mtb bars. I use Jones bars on my MTB with 45 degree sweep. Have also used 
> flat bars too. Both work but the swept bar allows me to ride longer and 
> more easily over rough stuff on a rigid bike. I change step length too. 
> 50mm on flat bars, 80mm on Jones.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Clayton
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:22:08 PM UTC-8, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all the help, everybody. I got some pondering to do on this, 
>> but I think in the end I will probably end up with a bullmoose bar setup. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:53:20 PM UTC-6, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm pondering bars for my Appaloosa I ordered and have a choice to 
>>> make.  I'm thinking about some sort of 'moose bar having already had the 
>>> Bosco Bullmoose in the past and liked them. My choice for this bike is 
>>> coming down to the regular Bullmoose bar or the Choco-moose bar but can't 
>>> figure out if I want a more flattish hand hold like a regular flat mtb bar 
>>> or one that puts my wrists like they would be on a choco bar...almost like 
>>> if they were on the drops of a drop bar, I guess. 
>>>
>>> I'll be using this bike primarily on gravel roads and singletrack 
>>> mountain bike trails with very little road riding going on, so quick 
>>> handling, secure gripping, and easy turning is a plus. 
>>>
>>> any ideas?  Do you think the reach to the bullmoose bars will be a bit 
>>> too dramatic compared to the choco bars on the Appaloosa?
>>>
>>> Next decisions will be what tires, what shifting mechanism, what 
>>> crankset, ect, ect, ect. (the fun part of buying a bike, IMHO.)
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks, 
>>>
>>>
>>> btw, I changed my name so no longer RJM
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Garth]

Patrick , use universal hand gestures common to human beings standing in 
person next to each other , no one understands "bike signals" these dayze.  
Think "talking with my hands".  It's gotta be demonstrative, with emotion 
 none of us are machines, period. 


Point left with the left hand, right with the right. To gesture slow down, 
turn your body in the direction of the driver(eye contact if you can) and 
give a gesture like you're pushing a wall (palm out, fingers extended), and 
hold it briefly like you're telling them to "back off".  

If I "take a lane" with a car behind me, I make a gesture like a emphatic 
"hammer slam down" with a pointed finger downward to the lane, and I MEAN 
IT.  "Here I am, this is mine now, back off" .   



On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:53:06 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Google ate my attempted response, so here goes again. Sorry if this double 
> posts later. 
>
> Bruce said: “If there's no room to be passed, I signal that and take the 
> lane.   Once there is room I move over and wave them around.   It works for 
> me.” 
>
> Sweet! I attempt much the same thing, but with mixed results. Could you 
> help me understand what “not safe to pass” signal you use? I find that 
> 2/3rds of drivers either ignore it or are ignorant of the meaning it. One 
> driver told me “I don’t speak bike.” I wanted to ask if he spoke common 
> sense, but common sense prevented me from asking. Shrug. Grin. I use the 
> “slow” signal: left arm straight out, forearm bent down 90˚, palm open, 
> facing backwards. Sometimes I’ll swing my palm back and forth to try and 
> get their attention if they are not slowing down and it’s not clear. 
>
> I never cease to be amazed by how often drivers pass when they can’t see 
> if it is clear ahead. Also, I never signal for cars to pass me. Too much 
> “but he said it was OK!” excuse for failure to be smart. Instead, I just 
> smile and wave. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Nicely done Adam!  Enjoy the heck out of that bike!

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 4:30:45 PM UTC-5, adam leibow wrote:
>
> a week ago today i left work an hour early, rode my skateboard to bart to 
> walnut creek, skated to HQ from bart, and picked up a new 58cm canti sam in 
> sage. i spent that night building the bike with parts bin parts and parts 
> stolen from other bikes in order to ride it on the boyzonthehoods super 
> bowl escape campout. i was up until almost 2 in the morning, but i got it 
> done and made the ride to camp, despite a too-short chain and. my friend 
> had his nice dslr and shot this photo 
>
>
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender width on a Roadini

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Thank you Bill for your detailed comments.  I think you are right and I 
will wait for the bike to arrive.  I'm not very good at actually working on 
a bike but my bike guy at the lbs is masterful.  Appreciate your time to 
respond.

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 3:46:38 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My thought would be to wait until the bike is built and can scope out your 
> clearances.  Medium reach brakes and 28mm tires are a good combination for 
> normal fenders.  My expectation is that when you get the brakes set up with 
> the tires in there, you will conclude that you can't fit an unmosified flat 
> wood fender in the remaining brake arch-space and you'll be faced with four 
> decisions:
>
> A.  No fenders
> B.  Normal metal or plastic fenders
> C.  Flat wood fenders, filed away at the edges to clear your brakes
> D.  Flat wood fenders, bisected with double hardware to avoid the brakes
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:14:19 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> HI all.  Thought I'd float this question to the group.  I have a Roadini 
>> that is being painted now and I'd like to order some Woody (wood) fenders 
>> for it.  Thought I'd go custom flat.  I plan on putting a 28 Compass 
>> Chinook Pass on a H Plus Son TB14 rim.  I need a width for the fender and 
>> not sure what I should order.  Thought I'd ask here first knowing I can 
>> always call the good folks at Riv.  Your thoughts?
>> Thanks
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Deacon Patrick]

What delightful adventure (skateboarding to get your Sam frame) to get to more 
adventure (building it in time for ...) ... the adventure! Grin. Beautiful 
bike! Great build.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[adam leibow]

a week ago today i left work an hour early, rode my skateboard to bart to 
walnut creek, skated to HQ from bart, and picked up a new 58cm canti sam in 
sage. i spent that night building the bike with parts bin parts and parts 
stolen from other bikes in order to ride it on the boyzonthehoods super 
bowl escape campout. i was up until almost 2 in the morning, but i got it 
done and made the ride to camp, despite a too-short chain and. my friend 
had his nice dslr and shot this photo 



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[RBW] Re: FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

[Clayton.sf]

Eyeballing clearance with the 30mm in there a 32 should be doable, but have 
not tried it yet.

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:24:28 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Nice! I had one. Biggest gripe is that I wish it fit larger tires, though 
> a true 32mm tire would fit with the axle all the way to the rear
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

[Belopsky]

Nice! I had one. Biggest gripe is that I wish it fit larger tires, though a 
true 32mm tire would fit with the axle all the way to the rear

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Re: [RBW] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[tc]

Ford blue is awesome. As is Gentian Blue used by Black Mountain Cycles 😬

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[RBW] Wisconsin iBOB Unmeeting: July 13-15.

[Kevin Mulcahy]

***Sorry for the iBOB crosspost!***

Mark you calendars - Join your fellow BOBs and other likeminded folk for 
the Wisconsin iBOB Unmeeting happening July 13-15. 

Here's a rough itinerary: 
Friday: Gather in Madison, geek out for a bit, and then ride about 45 miles 
to Governor Dodge State Park (or simply meet at the park).
Saturday: Choose a route that fits your fancy for a day ride from GDSP. 
Sunday: Another day ride, or return to Madison via rail trail. Possible 
brewery stop along the way.

Basically, we've set up the ride as an S72O from Madison to GDSP and back, 
but people are welcome to go directly to GDSP. 

Challenging routes from Governor Dodge will likely head west into the 
Driftless region; which is generally just ridiculously bucolic, while being 
quite hilly and full of great roads (both paved and gravel). The roads 
south of the park and the nearby unpaved rail trail provide equally nice 
options for flatlanders. We'll provide route suggestions via ridewithgps at 
a later date and will have photocopied paper maps available at the camp 
site. Otherwise, the ride is unsupported. 

Harald has more details on his blog 
.  Hope some of you 
can make it!

Kevin
Madison, WI

*Oh, I wanted to mention that this is a family friendly event. And, the 
park has some excellent options for swimming, paddling, and hiking. 

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Brewster Fong]

I agree in part. A Roadeo is currently listed at $2600 for the frameset, 
although if you read the text, it is listed at $2250, so maybe the price 
increased.  However, they only have like a 63cm in stock and I'm not sure 
what their eta for new ones are.

So what else can you get for $2600?  Well the 2018 Trek Emonda SLR frameset 
price has actually gone down, I believe it is now made in Taiwan (Giant?) 
instead of Wisconsin, to about $3000:

https://www.trekbicyclesuperstore.com/product/trek-emonda-slr-frameset-305218-1.htm

However, there are other steel builders out there who are cheaper like 
Roland Della Santa who I believe charges between $2000-2500, but you get 
what he wants to build.

Anyways, Roadeo is a good choice for those who like it. Good Luck!

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:41:39 PM UTC-8, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> You could get a vintage race bike, but then you are buying a used bike 
> that may or may not be in your size, or your preferred color, and have 
> wacky wheel spacing, or take weird sized seat posts, ect. 
>
> My Roadeo never rode like a vintage race bike. It wasn't near as 
> twitchy...that's really the best way I can describe the difference that 
> I've felt. It's quite a nice riding bike but I felt like it was unlike 
> other race bikes I've ridden. 
>
> I consider the Roadeo a high end road bike frameset, and if you compare it 
> price wise against other high end road bike framesets it's price, even the 
> current price, isn't that far off. What's the price of a new Trek Emonda 
> SLR frameset go for nowadays?  
>
> but still, since I purchased my Roadeo frame, which I did wind up selling 
> because I don't road ride anymore, the price has gone up six hundred bucks. 
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:12:57 PM UTC-6, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> I think the real problem here is the Roadeo is simply outclassed in it's 
>> price bracket. You could easily get a custom geo steel road bike with a 
>> carbon fork fork less. If the plan is a lightweight steel build I'd say 
>> there are way better choices for your money.  
>>
>> If lugs are the the desire, why not get a vintage race bike?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender width on a Roadini

[Bill Lindsay]

My thought would be to wait until the bike is built and can scope out your 
clearances.  Medium reach brakes and 28mm tires are a good combination for 
normal fenders.  My expectation is that when you get the brakes set up with 
the tires in there, you will conclude that you can't fit an unmosified flat 
wood fender in the remaining brake arch-space and you'll be faced with four 
decisions:

A.  No fenders
B.  Normal metal or plastic fenders
C.  Flat wood fenders, filed away at the edges to clear your brakes
D.  Flat wood fenders, bisected with double hardware to avoid the brakes

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:14:19 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> HI all.  Thought I'd float this question to the group.  I have a Roadini 
> that is being painted now and I'd like to order some Woody (wood) fenders 
> for it.  Thought I'd go custom flat.  I plan on putting a 28 Compass 
> Chinook Pass on a H Plus Son TB14 rim.  I need a width for the fender and 
> not sure what I should order.  Thought I'd ask here first knowing I can 
> always call the good folks at Riv.  Your thoughts?
> Thanks
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Ryan Merrill]

You could get a vintage race bike, but then you are buying a used bike that 
may or may not be in your size, or your preferred color, and have wacky 
wheel spacing, or take weird sized seat posts, ect. 

My Roadeo never rode like a vintage race bike. It wasn't near as 
twitchy...that's really the best way I can describe the difference that 
I've felt. It's quite a nice riding bike but I felt like it was unlike 
other race bikes I've ridden. 

I consider the Roadeo a high end road bike frameset, and if you compare it 
price wise against other high end road bike framesets it's price, even the 
current price, isn't that far off. What's the price of a new Trek Emonda 
SLR frameset go for nowadays?  

but still, since I purchased my Roadeo frame, which I did wind up selling 
because I don't road ride anymore, the price has gone up six hundred bucks. 

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:12:57 PM UTC-6, Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> I think the real problem here is the Roadeo is simply outclassed in it's 
> price bracket. You could easily get a custom geo steel road bike with a 
> carbon fork fork less. If the plan is a lightweight steel build I'd say 
> there are way better choices for your money.  
>
> If lugs are the the desire, why not get a vintage race bike?
>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Clayton.sf]

One more thing regarding the control vs. sweep debate (disclaimer: this is 
just according to me and I have no "real" 3rd party science to back it up) 
- more sweep allows me to keep my elbows closer to my body, and my  upper 
body, shoulders and arms more relaxed. A lot of people seem equate this 
with less control especially when coming from flat and riser bars. At least 
that is usually their first response when they ride my bike on singletrack. 
For me this allows me to ride a rigid bike more comfortably on MTB terrain 
since my arms can now more easily absorb shocks. The bars may come back a 
bit more which changes weight distribution when sitting but when things get 
dicey I don't sit anyway and have no issue moving my body forward to weight 
the wheel. The bullmoose are better in regards to sweep than most normal 
mtb bars. I use Jones bars on my MTB with 45 degree sweep. Have also used 
flat bars too. Both work but the swept bar allows me to ride longer and 
more easily over rough stuff on a rigid bike. I change step length too. 
50mm on flat bars, 80mm on Jones.

Hope this helps.

Clayton




On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:22:08 PM UTC-8, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the help, everybody. I got some pondering to do on this, 
> but I think in the end I will probably end up with a bullmoose bar setup. 
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:53:20 PM UTC-6, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>>
>> I'm pondering bars for my Appaloosa I ordered and have a choice to make.  
>> I'm thinking about some sort of 'moose bar having already had the Bosco 
>> Bullmoose in the past and liked them. My choice for this bike is coming 
>> down to the regular Bullmoose bar or the Choco-moose bar but can't figure 
>> out if I want a more flattish hand hold like a regular flat mtb bar or one 
>> that puts my wrists like they would be on a choco bar...almost like if they 
>> were on the drops of a drop bar, I guess. 
>>
>> I'll be using this bike primarily on gravel roads and singletrack 
>> mountain bike trails with very little road riding going on, so quick 
>> handling, secure gripping, and easy turning is a plus. 
>>
>> any ideas?  Do you think the reach to the bullmoose bars will be a bit 
>> too dramatic compared to the choco bars on the Appaloosa?
>>
>> Next decisions will be what tires, what shifting mechanism, what 
>> crankset, ect, ect, ect. (the fun part of buying a bike, IMHO.)
>>
>>
>> thanks, 
>>
>>
>> btw, I changed my name so no longer RJM
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Deacon Patrick]

Joe said: “They're fine for just plonking along on a trail, but you really need 
that bar in front of your palms when barrelling down roots and rocks. Yes, you 
can get that position in the curves, but the brake levers won't be there.”

Exactly my challenge with Albatross and why I love the new 
Moustache/Albastache, not that anyone asked. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Ryan Merrill]

Thanks for all the help, everybody. I got some pondering to do on this, but 
I think in the end I will probably end up with a bullmoose bar setup. 

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:53:20 PM UTC-6, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> I'm pondering bars for my Appaloosa I ordered and have a choice to make.  
> I'm thinking about some sort of 'moose bar having already had the Bosco 
> Bullmoose in the past and liked them. My choice for this bike is coming 
> down to the regular Bullmoose bar or the Choco-moose bar but can't figure 
> out if I want a more flattish hand hold like a regular flat mtb bar or one 
> that puts my wrists like they would be on a choco bar...almost like if they 
> were on the drops of a drop bar, I guess. 
>
> I'll be using this bike primarily on gravel roads and singletrack mountain 
> bike trails with very little road riding going on, so quick handling, 
> secure gripping, and easy turning is a plus. 
>
> any ideas?  Do you think the reach to the bullmoose bars will be a bit too 
> dramatic compared to the choco bars on the Appaloosa?
>
> Next decisions will be what tires, what shifting mechanism, what crankset, 
> ect, ect, ect. (the fun part of buying a bike, IMHO.)
>
>
> thanks, 
>
>
> btw, I changed my name so no longer RJM
>
>
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[RBW] FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

 
Have a 2012 Bob Jackson Vigorelli Fixed Gear Bike for sale.

Frame:

Reynolds 631 tubing.
58.5 ctc ST
58 ctc TT
27.2 Post requ.
Horizontal top tube.
Fork drilled for brake. Frame is not.
Clearance for true 30mm tires with room to spare. Could possibly go up to 
32mm but have not tried it.
Frame is framesavered and in excellent condition. Never used in the rain 
(no fender eyelets). 
Ice blue metallic with white lug lining.
Frame is straight and true.

Components Included: 

- Phil Wood front and rear hubs with Phil cog and lockring laced to 32h 
H+Son Archetypes
- Campagnolo Pista crank, ring and bb (there is some filing on the backside 
of the non-drive crankarm. Does not affect performance and increases 
clearance)
- Simworks Stem and Bars (getaround model)
- Ultegra front brake with Shimano lever (photo shows a paul one)
- Continental tires GP4000
- I think this is it
- VO headset

All components in excellent shape!

No seatpost, Saddle, Pedals, bottle cage, pump

$999 plus shipping via bikeflights and paypal fees as applicable. Happy to 
deliver in San Francisco and extended bay area.

More pictures on request. Will clean it too!

Best,
Clayton Scott
San Francisco, CA


 

 

 


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[RBW] WTT: Nitto Noodle for Nitto Bosco

[KenD]

I have 44cm Noodles in decent shape if anyone would like to trade for the 
Bosco Bar. 
I will throw in some VP thin gripsters - the VP-001 - to sweeten the deal.

Regards,
Ken

Pittsburgh, PA

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[RBW] FS: Clothing, books, saddles, Blackspire // fundraiser

[Anne]

Proceeds are headed to help with a local trail project here in Lansing.

All photos are at the link: https://imageshack.com/a/iOll/1 


?s, etc, message me offlist.

Thanks/Anne 


*Hincapie HC-12 men's bibs, size XL*, Three pair, two are new w/o tags. One 
has a bit of piling on seat area but look new. One pair charcoal, two pair 
are deep navy. All three for $115 shipped. 


*Men’s L AND Men’s XS REI rain jackets*, zippered pits, drawstring at base 
and one rear zippered/flapped pocket. New w/o tags $27 per jacket 
(shipped). These run large. Also work great off the bike. 


*Buy the bulleted list (8 items) below for $75 shipped*

   - Polish Postal Service Jersey, ss, XL New with tags 
   - Marmite ss jersey Foska Size 7 (XL) 
   - Pair of Performance men’s L ss jerseys, also includes add’l Supergo 
   and Performance jerseys.  
   - Pair of Performance LS hooded men’s XL jerseys. 

*Buy the bulleted list below for $75 shipped*

   - New Specialized knee warmers, Women's med. Neck gator and Hincapie 
   windproof gloves (men's small/women's med)  
   - Sugoi rain jacket, taped seams, some discoloration at rear pocket. 
   Women’s medium Worn 2x 
   - SpeedyChix kit: XS (men) LouisG vest, M (women) LouisG ss jersey, M 
   (women) Pactimo thermal LS jersey, Giordana LS thermal jersey  

*Other items*

-Funkier and Pace one-size bits most balaclavas: $3 with any other item, $5 
for both with any other item. 

-Blackspire chainring 58BCD, 22t $18 shipped

-San Marco ASPide Glamour saddles for sale 155mm. Ridden for a very short 
time. $55 each, will ship in padded envelope w/o the box. Two available. 
Both for $100

-Small Burton/Peloton Tee with Swerve musette. Free with purchase over $75

-Books: $45 for all (these will ship media mail and shipping isn’t included 
on these as I’ll need a zip to price it)



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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Nick Davis]

It's the Cadence saddle bag.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:52:23 AM UTC-6, stoker wrote:
>
> Nice. Wish that was my size. On a side note, what brand is the seat pack 
> in the pic? Thanks...

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Nick Davis]

Here are some more measurements:

55cm effective top tube
54cm seat tube
135mm headtube 
80.5cm standover
100cm wheelbase

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 1:53:52 AM UTC-6, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> Could you say what the BB center to saddle top distance is in the photo?
>
> Thanks,
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:26:33 PM UTC-8, Nick Davis wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I'm thinking about selling my 55cm Rivendell Protovelo. As the name 
>> indicates, it was a prototype bike made by Rivendell. As far as I know, 
>> it's one of a kind, and it's a beautiful bike with fender mounts, pump peg 
>> and of course the beautiful lugs that Riv is known for. I actually spoke 
>> with Grant personally and he confirmed the bike was built by Rivendell 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Nick Davis]

The effective TT is 55cm, and I have run 35s without issues.

Thanks!

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:33:44 AM UTC-6, Minh wrote:
>
> Hi Nick, a few questions i'm sure everyone would like to know
>
>- effective TT
>- how big a tire can you run w/ and w/o fenders?
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-5, Nick Davis wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I'm thinking about selling my 55cm Rivendell Protovelo. As the name 
>> indicates, it was a prototype bike made by Rivendell. As far as I know, 
>> it's one of a kind, and it's a beautiful bike with fender mounts, pump peg 
>> and of course the beautiful lugs that Riv is known for. I actually spoke 
>> with Grant personally and he confirmed the bike was built by Rivendell in 
>> the U.S. of A.
>>
>> Currently I have it built up as follows:
>>
>> 105 - 10 speed
>> Paul Mini Moto brakes
>> Thomson stem (90mm) and seat post
>> Mavic Open Pros laced to Ultegra hubs
>> Brooks B17 (black) not to C17 pictured
>> Chris King 1'' headset
>> 32mm Gatorskins
>>
>> I'm thinking $1,500 OBO. It's a beautiful bike, and I've got plenty more 
>> photos if you're interested.
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Nick Davis]

Nashville,TN

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:56:09 AM UTC-6, S. Greco wrote:
>
> That thing is awesome!
>
> Out of curiosity . . . where is this / where are you located?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Nick Davis]

I think it could run 38s. I've run 35s without issue.

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-6, Gideon Tsang wrote:
>
> What's the max tire clearance? Looks like it has similar clearance to a 
> Roadeo or Ram?
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:26:33 PM UTC-6, Nick Davis wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I'm thinking about selling my 55cm Rivendell Protovelo. As the name 
>> indicates, it was a prototype bike made by Rivendell. As far as I know, 
>> it's one of a kind, and it's a beautiful bike with fender mounts, pump peg 
>> and of course the beautiful lugs that Riv is known for. I actually spoke 
>> with Grant personally and he confirmed the bike was built by Rivendell in 
>> the U.S. of A.
>>
>> Currently I have it built up as follows:
>>
>> 105 - 10 speed
>> Paul Mini Moto brakes
>> Thomson stem (90mm) and seat post
>> Mavic Open Pros laced to Ultegra hubs
>> Brooks B17 (black) not to C17 pictured
>> Chris King 1'' headset
>> 32mm Gatorskins
>>
>> I'm thinking $1,500 OBO. It's a beautiful bike, and I've got plenty more 
>> photos if you're interested.
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Fender width on a Roadini

[Chris Birkenmaier]

HI all.  Thought I'd float this question to the group.  I have a Roadini 
that is being painted now and I'd like to order some Woody (wood) fenders 
for it.  Thought I'd go custom flat.  I plan on putting a 28 Compass 
Chinook Pass on a H Plus Son TB14 rim.  I need a width for the fender and 
not sure what I should order.  Thought I'd ask here first knowing I can 
always call the good folks at Riv.  Your thoughts?
Thanks
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Patrick Moore]

Oh! I want Ford Blue! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Thanks all. You can all go home now.

Patrick "besides, it will mean that I can re-use my bar tape" Moore

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:45 AM, WETH  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I had my Romulus powder coated in "Ford Blue." Looks to be close to your
> existing color. https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/
> 72157654006187120
>
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
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Re: [RBW] Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Patrick Moore]

First, it's not a problem, is it? Just a choice, except to the extent that
a choice is a problem.

Next, you'll have to define and defend "outclassed.

As to reasons to choose a Rivendell, they have an almost if not absolutely
unique kind of fit and handling (I've owned 5), so that's one reason, if
you like this fit and handling, and many do. The second is the quality; the
builds are unsurpassed, or so I hear; I am not a builder and have to take
this on faith. Others can comment on both reasons, I think.

If I were in the market for a top of the line road bike requiring no
special features, I'd buy a Roadeo rather than one from a less known
company or builder.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Davey Two Shoes 
wrote:

> I think the real problem here is the Roadeo is simply outclassed in it's
> price bracket. You could easily get a custom geo steel road bike with a
> carbon fork fork less. If the plan is a lightweight steel build I'd say
> there are way better choices for your money.
>
> If lugs are the the desire, why not get a vintage race bike?
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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Reid]

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:11:39 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>  Add a fluffy, adorable dog in the basket and people just swoon.
>
>
> Pics! Or it never happened. Would love to see the little guy.

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[RBW] Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Davey Two Shoes]

I think the real problem here is the Roadeo is simply outclassed in it's price 
bracket. You could easily get a custom geo steel road bike with a carbon fork 
fork less. If the plan is a lightweight steel build I'd say there are way 
better choices for your money.  

If lugs are the the desire, why not get a vintage race bike?

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[RBW] Re: Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Kainalu V.]

https://goo.gl/images/DBhMtP
I think this will link you to the Crust Lightning bolt paint. I don't know 
what it is but it looks like a delicious candy coating in real life. I'll 
probably never do a repaint, but if I did...   ..and you should
-Kai
BK NY


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>
> Chauncey will, God willing, pick it up tomorrow for some modifications: 
> much longer -- longer-than-1010 -- dropouts, and a second pair of cage 
> bosses on the seat tube. He will have it powdercoated by a local shop that 
> does good work on bike frames.
>
> I rather think I'll choose the same navy blue, but I recall the Herse that 
> this shop did -- a really lovely, "liquid" pale blue. I *do not* intend 
> to choose orange or green or gray or black or white. But shades of blue, 
> red -- other ideas?
>
> Patrick Moore, who reserves the right to ignore any and all advice (but 
> who will certainly listen to it with interest and gratitude).
>
> Here is the bike in current colors -- bar tape is more of same -- if not 
> current build:
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Deacon Patrick]

My Hunqapillar is named Shadowfax, after Gandalf’s horse in Lord of the Rings. 
I gave the books singular description to the painter and gave him creative 
license to make it happen. Frame’s still with Mark. “By day his coat glistens 
like silver; and by night it is like a shade, and he passes unseen.” The 
description lends itself to some form of “liquid” multi layer, shifting scheme.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Deacon Patrick]

Google ate my attempted response, so here goes again. Sorry if this double 
posts later.

Bruce said: “If there's no room to be passed, I signal that and take the lane.  
 Once there is room I move over and wave them around.   It works for me.”

Sweet! I attempt much the same thing, but with mixed results. Could you help me 
understand what “not safe to pass” signal you use? I find that 2/3rds of 
drivers either ignore it or are ignorant of the meaning it. One driver told me 
“I don’t speak bike.” I wanted to ask if he spoke common sense, but common 
sense prevented me from asking. Shrug. Grin. I use the “slow” signal: left arm 
straight out, forearm bent down 90˚, palm open, facing backwards. Sometimes 
I’ll swing my palm back and forth to try and get their attention if they are 
not slowing down and it’s not clear.

I never cease to be amazed by how often drivers pass when they can’t see if it 
is clear ahead. Also, I never signal for cars to pass me. Too much “but he said 
it was OK!” excuse for failure to be smart. Instead, I just smile and wave.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[WETH]

I have always thought the yellow of Pondero's Rambler to be a perfect shade and 
tone of yellow.
Erl

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[RBW] Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[WETH]

Patrick,
I had my Romulus powder coated in "Ford Blue." Looks to be close to your 
existing color. https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157654006187120

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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Bruce K Jamison]

I'm alone on every commute.   Maybe I'll see another bike on the trail part 
of my commute, but on the road parts it's just me and all the cars and 
trucks.  I'm OK with that.  I like riding much more than I do driving.   My 
car is 10 years old and at this rate will last another 10.  

I get the occasional aggression, but the more I take charge of situations 
the better things are.   Cars want to be told what to do when they see you. 
 Hand signals - especially the "come around me wave" - are respected.   I 
always ride with a mirror and I try to be aware of what others may be 
wanting.   If there's no room to be passed, I signal that and take the 
lane.   Once there is room I move over and wave them around.   It works for 
me.


  

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[RBW] Re: Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[lconley]

Schwinn Kool Lemon (AKA Corvette Yellow) or Coppertone - might have to 
change the pedals.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:13:15 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Chauncey will, God willing, pick it up tomorrow for some modifications: 
> much longer -- longer-than-1010 -- dropouts, and a second pair of cage 
> bosses on the seat tube. He will have it powdercoated by a local shop that 
> does good work on bike frames.
>
> I rather think I'll choose the same navy blue, but I recall the Herse that 
> this shop did -- a really lovely, "liquid" pale blue. I *do not* intend 
> to choose orange or green or gray or black or white. But shades of blue, 
> red -- other ideas?
>
> Patrick Moore, who reserves the right to ignore any and all advice (but 
> who will certainly listen to it with interest and gratitude).
>
> Here is the bike in current colors -- bar tape is more of same -- if not 
> current build:
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[Garth]

Yea to the idea of paint with "depth" and "dimension" or texture to it , 
anything but "flat" !   Whether it be metallic, pearl, translucent, liquid-like 
etc  I don't know all the terms but you get the idea.  I rather like paints 
that appear different in different shades of light , the "shape-shifting" ones 
like metallic for example. 

Come to think of it .. yeah . .  a red for a go-fast bike for you ... it just 
kinda fits.  It doesn't have to "scream" red  but red like a "terminator".

 It just keepsgoing  :)   

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[RBW] Re: Advise me: what powdercoat color for Riv #2, the '99 Joe Starck gofast?

[JohnS]

PM, if I were to go with a custom paint it would be Ferrari red. Someone 
passed me on Bicycling Mag's Fall Classic last year on a bike of that color 
and it really looked great and got my attention!

Good luck,
JohnS

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:13:15 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey will, God willing, pick it up tomorrow for some modifications: 
> much longer -- longer-than-1010 -- dropouts, and a second pair of cage 
> bosses on the seat tube. He will have it powdercoated by a local shop that 
> does good work on bike frames.
>
> I rather think I'll choose the same navy blue, but I recall the Herse that 
> this shop did -- a really lovely, "liquid" pale blue. I *do not* intend 
> to choose orange or green or gray or black or white. But shades of blue, 
> red -- other ideas?
>
> Patrick Moore, who reserves the right to ignore any and all advice (but 
> who will certainly listen to it with interest and gratitude).
>
> Here is the bike in current colors -- bar tape is more of same -- if not 
> current build:
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[JohnS]

One time last year on my commute from inner city Baltimore south to near 
BWI, a motorist gave me a thumbs up as I crested a hill, made my day!

As for riding with other bike commuters, once in a while I'll meet up with 
a co-worker and sometimes I'll catch up or be passed by another cyclist, 
but for the most part I'm out there on my own and loving it!

JohnS

P.S. This year my commutes are on my QB.


On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 2:34:19 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Aboslutely. Around here (Tel Aviv) bikes, mostly electric, are for kids 
> and people who can't afford a car.
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:38:33 AM UTC+2, J Imler wrote:
>>
>> I do my best to ride my bike vs drive, mostly because riding is a lot of 
>> fun along with personal and enviro benefits. In the last six months I've 
>> put 2,000 miles on my car. I'm shooting for a sub 5k year. We'll see. 
>> The thing that strikes me more and more is how few people ride in my town 
>> and how enclosed everyone appears in their cars. I feel like I'm sticking 
>> out like a sore thumb. There's a quote I like, the one that says be the 
>> change you wish to see in the world. I feel I'm living that out when I 
>> decide to ride vs drive.
>> Today there was some enjoyment and connection between myself and the 
>> drivers though. Several waved and smiled, like they wanted to be riding 
>> too. That made me feel good. 
>> I'm sure every place has a different cycling culture but can anyone 
>> relate to what I'm talking about?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[JohnS]

Nice build Toshi! Love the red.

JohnS


On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:37:11 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I weighed my Roadeo out of curiosity and it is 22 lbs as shown in this 
> picture, but without the wrap under the saddle.  I suppose if you used a 
> double crank and got a lighter seat, it might be close to 20 lbs, but that 
> was not my goal for this bike.  I like using the Roadeo for long rides with 
> fair weather--riding 200 miles or under, so comfort and low gearing is more 
> important than weight to me.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/in/album-72157632686324800/
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 02/02/2018 04:51 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>> This is just too funny. I guess most of us have violated the leave well 
>> enough alone rule now and again, but ha! This takes the cake. Poor little 
>> systems engineer. Was it his very last bike event ever?
>>
>>
>> I think not.  But I do believe he learned a lesson about leaving well 
>> enough alone.   He did get it all reassembled eventually, and the event was 
>> laid out so that the full 80 mile distance was made up of several 20-ish 
>> and 30-ish loops all originating from the central starting point, so he did 
>> get 40 or 50 in and had a good time riding.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 1:52:27 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> One time I talked a guy from work, a systems engineer, into joining me 
>>> at the Mathews County "Tour de Chesapeake."  This was his very first ever 
>>> bike event.  The night before, he decided to completely take his rear 
>>> derailleur apart in the hotel room, including removing the pulleys.  In the 
>>> process, he lost some parts, took him half the night to find where they 
>>> ended up.  So as everyone else is taking off on the ride next morning, 
>>> there he is trying to reassemble a rear derailleur with his bike laid out 
>>> on the grass in front of the school.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
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[RBW] Re: New Chain Too Short?

[Tim Bantham]

Update for me as well. Called Riv and confirmed that it would not be uncommon 
for a 62 Sam with a 48/34 big big to result in a new chain being a tad short. I 
added a link or two and connected it all with two quick links. Guys at Riv said 
they have done the same on their own bikes without issue. 

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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Ty Smith]

I consider the layer of dust on my car to be a badge of honor. I probably 
to 2K or less per year. It's only on the weekends if I have a long errand 
to run with time constraints that I use it. Otherwise, its the bike.

I take Caltrain to work from San Mateo to the city. I ride my Brompton to 
and from the train station. On the way home I always smirk as I happily 
breeze by all the cars backed up trying to get on 92 to get to the San 
Mateo Bridge...

Life is good.

Ty
San Francisco Bay Area



On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:38:33 PM UTC-8, J Imler wrote:
>
> I do my best to ride my bike vs drive, mostly because riding is a lot of 
> fun along with personal and enviro benefits. In the last six months I've 
> put 2,000 miles on my car. I'm shooting for a sub 5k year. We'll see. 
> The thing that strikes me more and more is how few people ride in my town 
> and how enclosed everyone appears in their cars. I feel like I'm sticking 
> out like a sore thumb. There's a quote I like, the one that says be the 
> change you wish to see in the world. I feel I'm living that out when I 
> decide to ride vs drive.
> Today there was some enjoyment and connection between myself and the 
> drivers though. Several waved and smiled, like they wanted to be riding 
> too. That made me feel good. 
> I'm sure every place has a different cycling culture but can anyone relate 
> to what I'm talking about?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Nick Davis]

38s probably. I've run 35s without issue

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-6, Gideon Tsang wrote:
>
> What's the max tire clearance? Looks like it has similar clearance to a 
> Roadeo or Ram?
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:26:33 PM UTC-6, Nick Davis wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I'm thinking about selling my 55cm Rivendell Protovelo. As the name 
>> indicates, it was a prototype bike made by Rivendell. As far as I know, 
>> it's one of a kind, and it's a beautiful bike with fender mounts, pump peg 
>> and of course the beautiful lugs that Riv is known for. I actually spoke 
>> with Grant personally and he confirmed the bike was built by Rivendell in 
>> the U.S. of A.
>>
>> Currently I have it built up as follows:
>>
>> 105 - 10 speed
>> Paul Mini Moto brakes
>> Thomson stem (90mm) and seat post
>> Mavic Open Pros laced to Ultegra hubs
>> Brooks B17 (black) not to C17 pictured
>> Chris King 1'' headset
>> 32mm Gatorskins
>>
>> I'm thinking $1,500 OBO. It's a beautiful bike, and I've got plenty more 
>> photos if you're interested.
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[William R.]

The Chocomooses that came stock on my Appaloosa are bees knees perfect as 
far as I'm concerned. But I definitely don't ride much single track on 
mine. Dirt and that other stuff roads plenty. Rough, badly maintained MUPs, 
yes. The thing that is so great about this set up is how stable it all is. 
But for single track you will want more fast response maneuverability. I 
would say maybe standard Bullmooses may be the way for you to go. But then 
you need to consider that the Appa is designed for bars that sweep back 
with a longer top tube. Maybe a non-moose bar with the right length stem 
will enable you to dial in the reach better. I agree with Jeremy and others 
that are using Jones bars on their Appaloosa's. That might be an avenue for 
you to explore.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Davey Two Shoes]

Hard to say without knowing your reach

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto racks, Thomson seat posts, Suntour XC and Shimano cantilevers, Bosco bars.

[Julian Westerhout]

Availability update and price drops below: 

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 12:04:55 PM UTC-6, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> For Sale — all prices include shipping w/in CONUS
>
>
>
> Thomson 27.4 330mm silver seat post, with cloth bag. Lots of scratches on 
> bottom 5 inches or so — pristine above insert line. Was $50, now $35
>
>
> Thomson 27.2 250mm black seat post. Clean, very good condition. Was $40, 
> now $28
>
>
>
> Dia Compe 985 cantilevers — black — one bikes worth. No pads or bolts, 
> brand new, never mounted  Was $20, now $15
>
>
> Suntour XC Ltd cantilevers — one bikes worth, with Koolstop Salmon pads. 
> Dirty and used, but in good working order. Was $25, now $18
>
>
> Suntour XC Pro cantilevers — one bike’s worth. Very lightly used, with VO 
> pads and holders. Was $50, now $40
>
>
> Shimano cantilever brakes — I think these are the BR-R550 model. One 
> bike’s worth, with Koolstop Salmon Pads  Was $35, now $25
>
>
> Photos at https://flic.kr/s/aHskvGMK7S
>
>
> Paypal friends preferred. 
>
>
> Julian Westerhout
>
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Sizing for Wife with 87.5 PBH

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, one of the things about the Clem L is you don't need to concern 
yourself with standover. Also the seat post and seat tube are super beefy, 
so if you don't mind a bit of post, the 52 will absolutely work in terms of 
reach to bars with a Bosco setup. I think if there is any real concern the 
bike could be too big, you can safely go with the 52 (if they have 'em in 
stock.)

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> She just returned from a business trip,so hopefully she'll decide soon!  
> 59 Clem L definitely a bigger bike than a 60 Chev.
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 7:13:07 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Any conclusion? That 59 Clem L special on the Riv website seems like a 
>> very good deal. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Karl]

Edwin, good to know of two more Rivendell riders in Nashville! Next thing you 
know, we will have a gaggle!

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[RBW] Re: New Chain Too Short?

[KenP]

update: Yesterday the chain broke where I had connected it; so, from now on 
I will be using a quicklink to connect chains.  Thanks you for this 
thread... Ken P., Alexandria, Va.


On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-5, KenP wrote:
>
> I put 125 links on my Appaloosa 9 speed chain; put a 52 ring in the front 
> and 34 big ring on the back.  Works, but it's tight if I run big/big.  
>  Bike shop says if I put too many links, the derailleur will be too loose 
> and will scrape the chain.   I used a chain tool, to piece together the 
> chain and pushed the pin back and forth a few times to be sure the link 
> would swivel freely. It's using only one master link.  Works fine.  Ken P.
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:41:12 AM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> I am in the process of building up my Sam and I ran into a frustrating 
>> snag with a brand new chain. Using the Sheldon Browne method for sizing a 
>> chain I put the chain on big/big without the rear der. and found that the 
>> chain was one or two links short. The gearing is 48 front and 34 on the 
>> rear cassette. I was surprised (and frustrated that a brand new KMC x9 
>> chain out of the box is too short. I had to add links for my Appaloosa 
>> which of course has the super long chainstay but I didn't think it would be 
>> needed on the Sam. I can add a link or two and then join the extra links by 
>> implementing two quicklinks instead of just one. To me it doesn't seam like 
>> it's correct to have two quick links with only one or two links between 
>> them.  Has anyone else encountered a chain that was two short out of the 
>> box on a Sam or other Riv with a fairly typical chain stay length? Does it 
>> create a weakness in the chain if I have two quick links so close to each 
>> other?
>>
>

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