[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Lum Gim Fong]

I’d like one. 53 is my size i think

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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Craig Montgomery]

 I commuted to work for 30 years. In those 30 years I had only one 
altercation, with a young aggressive boy in a pickup truck (a Southwest 
staple). Other than that everybody knew me. The secretaries would 
occasionally wave (with their perfume filling my nostrils as they drove by 
at 45mph). My commuter was a late 70's Holdsworth Mistral converted to 
fixed. British racing green, fenders, drop bars, saddlebag, knickers, 
sweater, wool cap. Every day was a tweed day for me. One morning a fella 
pulled alongside, very well dressed, gave me a thumbs up, and yelled "Rule 
Britannia." He was in a beautifully restored TR 6. Subsequently saw him in 
a gorgeous Austin Healey 3000. 
 I think your regular presence breeds acceptance. If the same people 
see you at the same time. Commuting is much more fun when it's not seen as 
a battle. 

 Also, I bought my Toyota pickup in 2002 with 30 thousand on it. It's 
got 130 thousand now. You can do the math. Most of those are camping miles 
from innumerable sojourns around the Southwest. Probably why the thing runs 
so well now...all those long distances at a constant speed.

Craig in Tucson 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:38:33 PM UTC-7, J Imler wrote:
>
> I do my best to ride my bike vs drive, mostly because riding is a lot of 
> fun along with personal and enviro benefits. In the last six months I've 
> put 2,000 miles on my car. I'm shooting for a sub 5k year. We'll see. 
> The thing that strikes me more and more is how few people ride in my town 
> and how enclosed everyone appears in their cars. I feel like I'm sticking 
> out like a sore thumb. There's a quote I like, the one that says be the 
> change you wish to see in the world. I feel I'm living that out when I 
> decide to ride vs drive.
> Today there was some enjoyment and connection between myself and the 
> drivers though. Several waved and smiled, like they wanted to be riding 
> too. That made me feel good. 
> I'm sure every place has a different cycling culture but can anyone relate 
> to what I'm talking about?
>

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[RBW] Camp Interludes - A Frank Patterson original illustration

[Philip Williamson]

That’s so great. I love the physicality of an original drawing. I have an 
original Jim Woodring (comic artist) ink drawing, and my favorite bit is the 
erasure where he moved a rock.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Rim Life

[William!]

Damn, I'd say you are already getting great rim life! I commute through 
Portland's winter, and my rims typically last 3-5 years before developing 
serious groves or cracks.

Best,
William

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:11:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> No idea why the grooves continue to get in. but I always listen and if my 
> brakes make noise, I stop and knife the offending rock out. I find classic 
> shaped Kool-Stop brakes seem to attract fewer rocks — or the pads like Riv. 
> sells (different than Kool-Stop, but similar braking power in all weather.) 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTT for JIS Square Taper BB cup&cone for 73mm shell or VO Threadless Cartridge JIS or Phil BB with Raleigh rings

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi David,
Yes, please double check and I’m interested.  Guess I failed to consider 
Italian size since I have no Italian threaded frames and thinking I might end 
up with spare cups if trading for a complete bottom bracket assembly.  I could 
still go for that so let me know if you come up with anything.

Thanks,
Brian

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[RBW] Re: Camp Interludes - A Frank Patterson original illustration

[Julian Westerhout]

Marty, 

I have the "Frank Patterson the Early Years" and "Memories of Frank 
Patterson" books. The latter has a number of tandem drwaings from the same 
era as yours, but not yours. It might be in another volume. 

I really love your drawing. Reminds me of the camping trips my stoker and I 
go on -- very evocative. Should you ever feel like getting a good copy made 
I'd love to have one to hang on the wall. 

Thanks for sharing it, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:07:32 PM UTC-6, MartyG wrote:
>
> Finally had this framed so I can look at it every day. Such a beautiful 
> scene. Not many originals to be found. So interesting to see the pen 
> strokes up close. I bought this one years ago from a seller in the UK. It's 
> in one of the books I believe, or one like it. Fairly large - this frame 
> holds an 18 X 24 mat. You can imagine the couple stopping for an overnight 
> after a pleasant day on the HubbuHubbuh if you're groping for Riv content...
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTT for JIS Square Taper BB cup&cone for 73mm shell or VO Threadless Cartridge JIS or Phil BB with Raleigh rings

[David B]

An Italian (70mm) axle works fine. I did this previously on a Raleigh-made 
Huffy Sportsman. I think I have a Dura Ace spare spindle somewhere. Let me 
know if you're interested and I can check width.
David

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-6, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:
>
> Putting a feeler out as I try to work through a poor man's QB type build.  
> Hope this isn't too much off topic... but build will include several Riv 
> items and likely either RM016 Moustache or RM013 dirt drops with 10cm dirt 
> drop stem, Tektro r559 brakes, and more.
>
> I'm dealing with a Raleigh frame with typical Raleigh threaded BB.  I have 
> a spare cup and cone BB scavenged from a trashed old Raleigh 10sp that 
> installed easily but turns out the spindle is too short to match my spare 
> 46t Raleigh crank (scavenged from a different frame and lost in a prior 
> game of musical cranks.)  The 46/49 double from the 10sp had been installed 
> on a 3 speed rebuild with that 3 speed's original spindle and before I go 
> down the cotter removal rabbit hole to free up that 46/49 double I'm 
> thinking I may instead try to do one of the Sheldon Brown suggested mix n 
> match square taper upgrades.  So I'm on the hunt for a JIS square taper 
> spindle for 73mm English shells to pair with the Raleigh BB cups that could 
> allow me to try one of two available JIS cranks unless anyone has a VO 
> threadless cartridge BB or Phil BB with Raleigh rings they are looking to 
> maybe trade?
>
> I have Sakae SX 170mm and Ritchey 177.5 JIS cranks (NOS, scored from Riv a 
> while back) both with 110bcd and a bunch of 110bcd rings I'd love to 
> use instead of continuing to deal with cotters but have no remaining bike 
> budget to buy a new BB at this time (and I missed the boat on a $30 VO sale 
> of 107 threadless that now shows sold out.)  Haven't had a chance to scour 
> the bins at a co-op/bike church near my office yet but hoping to do 
> so later this or next week.  Guessing they may have a cotter press there 
> (or just lots of experience whacking them out) since they work on a ton of 
> old bikes but I'm beginning to think updating to square taper will serve me 
> well going forward if this project turns into a keeper.  
>
> If I understand correctly I'll still need different sized bearings (6mm as 
> mentioned in Sheldon's Raleigh articles) if going JIS cup and cone spindle 
> route so everything lines up better with the off spec bearing tracks of JIS 
> spindle and Raleigh cups.  Only spare cup and cone JIS spindles I have are 
> 68mm.
>
> I suppose a Phil BB with Raleigh rings is likely the ideal upgrade but not 
> only is this the most costly, it additionally requires a Phil tool which I 
> don't have (or shop labor for a shop that has a Phil tool and this isn't 
> really that kind of build anyway... but if anyone has Phil BB with Raleigh 
> rings plus a Phil tool available for trade maybe we could work something 
> out?
>
> I guess what I'm really trying to say is that a VO threadless cartridge is 
> probably the simplest and most straightforward option but I'm open 
> to the alternatives.
>
> It's already taken me over a year to get this far on the build and I'm 
> trying to avoid rushing anything at this point.  Hoping to work this out 
> methodically and with little to no additional expense... and I have a stash 
> of parts that won't make it onto this next build and I'm willing to trade 
> and open for discussion.
>
> Oh, right... spindle length:  I think 107, 110, 113 should all likely work 
> ok.
>
> Ritchey cranks are 110/74 triple and I know they normally take really wide 
> spindles but I've tested these as a double (single plus guard) on a 107/68 
> and had a good chainline for a single speed.
> The Sakae SX double was previously used on a 113/68 and matched up pretty 
> well with the same SS wheel and dos eno fw.
>
>
> Haven't taken full inventory of all spare stuff yet but here are most 
> items that could probably be put on the trading block.  Not listing prices 
> since I'm not yet looking to sell anything... some of these have been put 
> on hold for back-burner projects but I think I could let some go to help 
> move this one along.
>
> Stems:
> VO Cigne Stem - 9cm - high polish - 31.8 - scratch/dent from their initial 
> batch but still in great shape with only minor blemishes.
> Soma Highrider Threadless adapter (looong quill for using threadless 
> stems) - black
> Bontrager alloy - 9/8" threadless stem - 25.4 clamp - 120mm - 10deg rise - 
> 2-bolt - black
> Easton alloy - 9/8" threadless - 31.8 clamp - 90mm 6deg rise - 4-bolt - 
> black
>
>
> Bars:
> 44cm Giant drops - Black alloy - 31.8 - takeoffs from a friends CX bike 
> that went with a flat bar conversion. Shape of the drops just don't work 
> for me.
> Nitto RM-014f Dirt Drops - 52cm end to end - 31.8 - originally bought 
> thinking they were more like a 31.8 version of RM013's.  These have much 
> more flare and not as useful ramps.  Us

[RBW] Rim Life

[Deacon Patrick]

No idea why the grooves continue to get in. but I always listen and if my 
brakes make noise, I stop and knife the offending rock out. I find classic 
shaped Kool-Stop brakes seem to attract fewer rocks — or the pads like Riv. 
sells (different than Kool-Stop, but similar braking power in all weather.)

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Rim Life

[George Schick]

During regular Winter time off-season maintenance I noticed that one of the 
rims on one of my bikes showed a shallow but nonetheless significant score 
mark around the entire braking area surface.  Upon closer inspection of the 
brake pads I found a small rock stuck in one of the pad grooves (the ones 
that are supposedly there to expel water from the rim while braking when 
wet) that caused the damage.  The front rim on this bike was replaced in 
2004 after having been taco'd in a crash, but the rear dates back to the 
late 90's.  The front shows lesser wear.  Both rims are venerable Mavic 
Open Pro's.

So, I'm wondering two things:  1) what is the normal life expectancy of 
aluminum rims, and 2) why brake pad manufacturers insist on installing 
those grooves when everything I've read about them says that they do little 
or no good for anything.  In the case of the first issue, there is no good 
way to measure rim wear unless the manf. has installed dimples or holes or 
grooves on the braking surfaces that act as wear indicators.  A caliper 
won't do any good because the "tire hook" prevents the caliper from seating 
properly against the inside of the rim.  In the case of the second issue, 
are there solid pads available that do not have these slots in them, 
therefore minimizing the chance of a rock getting caught?

I never had rim wear problems until I moved to an area where I had to do 
most of my riding on trails constructed from compacted limestone 
screenings.  Before that all my riding was on hard surfaced roads.

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[RBW] Re: Camp Interludes - A Frank Patterson original illustration

[Clayton.sf]

beautiful! The patterson books have been on my "to buy someday" list for 
over a decade. 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 1:46:27 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fantastic, Marty! I’ve always loved encountering that drawing whenever I’m 
> blessed to cross paths with it. Thank you! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Doug H.]

To chime in needlessly I will say that I just bought a Clem H and my 
experience thus far is mixed. I have read Zed Martinez' review and I too am 
not taking to the Bosco bars as of yet. I say that with the caveat that I 
haven't ridden it much yet and hope I will grow to like the Bosco 
experience as did Zed. But, the bike is a beauty and so comfortable on the 
road and in the grass. It's also my first go with thumb shifters and I 
haven't found the ideal spot for them...recommendations welcomed. 
Doug in Athens

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:21:02 PM UTC-5, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>
> Correct, Mark! 
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 3:23:17 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> $1,300. Crazy deal. But too big for Nancy.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 12:17:55 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant's Bike Of The Week Clem L is $1500 now. I can't believe no one's 
>>> snapped it up yet. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Camp Interludes - A Frank Patterson original illustration

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Marty! I’ve always loved encountering that drawing whenever I’m 
blessed to cross paths with it. Thank you!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Nancy Seibel]

Correct, Mark! 

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 3:23:17 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> $1,300. Crazy deal. But too big for Nancy.
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 12:17:55 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Grant's Bike Of The Week Clem L is $1500 now. I can't believe no one's 
>> snapped it up yet. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Nancy Seibel]

I'm sure someone will! The ones I see on sale are the bigger frames. :)

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 12:17:55 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant's Bike Of The Week Clem L is $1500 now. I can't believe no one's 
> snapped it up yet. 

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Nancy Seibel]

Thanks, Jonathan, for the feedback. Appreciate it.

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I think the Clem L is a unique bike that could easily be taken long 
> distances. My wife has one and loves it. If you can test ride the bike it 
> might also be worth trying a Sam Hillborne. The Sam might be better for 
> 100K rides but both are great bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Nancy Seibel]

Thanks, Ash!


On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 1:39:51 AM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>
> I have a 2017 Appaloosa.  Clem L and Appa are similar bikes, IMO.  Based 
> on my experience, I would say it quite suitable for 60-mile rides.  It 
> would NOT be a good choice if speed is what you are going for.  Very good 
> choice if enjoying the scenery, being able to carry some stuff for the trip 
> with ease and comfort are what you want.  
>   
> I only started biking 2-3 years ago.  My biking muscles are not all that 
> trained.  Still, a 52 mile trip that involved 2800 ft climbing did not feel 
> too hard on Appaloosa. It was 95+ degrees that day.  I had carried at least 
> 20 lbs cargo including extra water bottles.  Looking back, I wouldn't even 
> attempt a trip like that on any of the road bikes I had owned before.  It 
> might take an hour less.  But I know those bikes won't be comfortable 
> enough to get much enjoyment out of the ride.  Last summer I also biked Mt 
> Diablo (close 3k ft climb, I think) on Appa.
>
> It did take some trial and error with handlebars, stem length/height 
> adjustments and saddles   before it became fully comfortable for long 
> rides.  (which is probably the case with any bike).
>
> During the winter I have made more tweaks to improve ergonomics (mostly to 
> the cockpit).  Now I feel like I can enjoyably ride it all day (at my pace) 
> for multiple days.  Looking forward to at lease one such ride this summer.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ash
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:56:42 UTC-8, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>>
>> Hi, there, I'm seriously thinking of buying a Clem L (I know...that's how 
>> it starts) and wanted to hear from those of you have ridden this bike. What 
>> do you like about it? Any dislikes? How is it on hilly routes? What about 
>> long rides - defined as 30-60+ miles?
>>
>> I test rode one for a short spin around town and loved it. But would I 
>> Iove it in hilly Baltimore County MD, on a century or out for a multi-day 
>> tour?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your comments!
>>
>

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[RBW] Camp Interludes - A Frank Patterson original illustration

[MartyG]

Finally had this framed so I can look at it every day. Such a beautiful 
scene. Not many originals to be found. So interesting to see the pen 
strokes up close. I bought this one years ago from a seller in the UK. It's 
in one of the books I believe, or one like it. Fairly large - this frame 
holds an 18 X 24 mat. You can imagine the couple stopping for an overnight 
after a pleasant day on the HubbuHubbuh if you're groping for Riv content...



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[RBW] ISO/WTT for JIS Square Taper BB cup&cone for 73mm shell or VO Threadless Cartridge JIS or Phil BB with Raleigh rings

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Putting a feeler out as I try to work through a poor man's QB type build.  
Hope this isn't too much off topic... but build will include several Riv 
items and likely either RM016 Moustache or RM013 dirt drops with 10cm dirt 
drop stem, Tektro r559 brakes, and more.

I'm dealing with a Raleigh frame with typical Raleigh threaded BB.  I have 
a spare cup and cone BB scavenged from a trashed old Raleigh 10sp that 
installed easily but turns out the spindle is too short to match my spare 
46t Raleigh crank (scavenged from a different frame and lost in a prior 
game of musical cranks.)  The 46/49 double from the 10sp had been installed 
on a 3 speed rebuild with that 3 speed's original spindle and before I go 
down the cotter removal rabbit hole to free up that 46/49 double I'm 
thinking I may instead try to do one of the Sheldon Brown suggested mix n 
match square taper upgrades.  So I'm on the hunt for a JIS square taper 
spindle for 73mm English shells to pair with the Raleigh BB cups that could 
allow me to try one of two available JIS cranks unless anyone has a VO 
threadless cartridge BB or Phil BB with Raleigh rings they are looking to 
maybe trade?

I have Sakae SX 170mm and Ritchey 177.5 JIS cranks (NOS, scored from Riv a 
while back) both with 110bcd and a bunch of 110bcd rings I'd love to 
use instead of continuing to deal with cotters but have no remaining bike 
budget to buy a new BB at this time (and I missed the boat on a $30 VO sale 
of 107 threadless that now shows sold out.)  Haven't had a chance to scour 
the bins at a co-op/bike church near my office yet but hoping to do 
so later this or next week.  Guessing they may have a cotter press there 
(or just lots of experience whacking them out) since they work on a ton of 
old bikes but I'm beginning to think updating to square taper will serve me 
well going forward if this project turns into a keeper.  

If I understand correctly I'll still need different sized bearings (6mm as 
mentioned in Sheldon's Raleigh articles) if going JIS cup and cone spindle 
route so everything lines up better with the off spec bearing tracks of JIS 
spindle and Raleigh cups.  Only spare cup and cone JIS spindles I have are 
68mm.

I suppose a Phil BB with Raleigh rings is likely the ideal upgrade but not 
only is this the most costly, it additionally requires a Phil tool which I 
don't have (or shop labor for a shop that has a Phil tool and this isn't 
really that kind of build anyway... but if anyone has Phil BB with Raleigh 
rings plus a Phil tool available for trade maybe we could work something 
out?

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that a VO threadless cartridge is 
probably the simplest and most straightforward option but I'm open 
to the alternatives.

It's already taken me over a year to get this far on the build and I'm 
trying to avoid rushing anything at this point.  Hoping to work this out 
methodically and with little to no additional expense... and I have a stash 
of parts that won't make it onto this next build and I'm willing to trade 
and open for discussion.

Oh, right... spindle length:  I think 107, 110, 113 should all likely work 
ok.

Ritchey cranks are 110/74 triple and I know they normally take really wide 
spindles but I've tested these as a double (single plus guard) on a 107/68 
and had a good chainline for a single speed.
The Sakae SX double was previously used on a 113/68 and matched up pretty 
well with the same SS wheel and dos eno fw.


Haven't taken full inventory of all spare stuff yet but here are most items 
that could probably be put on the trading block.  Not listing prices since 
I'm not yet looking to sell anything... some of these have been put on hold 
for back-burner projects but I think I could let some go to help move 
this one along.

Stems:
VO Cigne Stem - 9cm - high polish - 31.8 - scratch/dent from their initial 
batch but still in great shape with only minor blemishes.
Soma Highrider Threadless adapter (looong quill for using threadless stems) 
- black
Bontrager alloy - 9/8" threadless stem - 25.4 clamp - 120mm - 10deg rise - 
2-bolt - black
Easton alloy - 9/8" threadless - 31.8 clamp - 90mm 6deg rise - 4-bolt - 
black


Bars:
44cm Giant drops - Black alloy - 31.8 - takeoffs from a friends CX bike 
that went with a flat bar conversion. Shape of the drops just don't work 
for me.
Nitto RM-014f Dirt Drops - 52cm end to end - 31.8 - originally bought 
thinking they were more like a 31.8 version of RM013's.  These have much 
more flare and not as useful ramps.  Used briefly then went another 
direction.  Still have another frame they may work out on with the VO Cigne 
stem and Big Dummy fork but it's really too small a frame and low priority 
at this point.

Brakes:
Tektro TRP RRL - black on black (also have 2nd set of silver on black 
but currently installed on something but... if black vs silver levers is a 
deal breaker/deal maker I could work something out.) 
Shimano CX50 Canti brakes - one wheel's wo

Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Leah Peterson]

None other than the Nitto Big Front. If memory serves, it’s rated to hold 30 
pounds. I love it because I have no nervous hand-wringing about weight on that 
rack. And it’s so lovely-looking. When I bought the bike I didn’t understand 
about Nitto and quality racks. I looked at Tubus and quickly changed my mind 
about the Nitto price tag. The Nitto just looks right on that bike. I say go 
for it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> Bicycle Belle Ding Ding,
> What is the front rack on your bike? I'm looking for one to put on my 
> commuter.
> Doug
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 1:29:26 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>> Compliments are certainly not outside the expectations for this forum; we 
>> give and get them in one way or another all the time on the list. I like 
>> your style, great idea, awesome cap, cute dog, stylin' outfit, whatever. In 
>> fact, there’s a whole (predominantly women’s) movement out there that 
>> thrives on appreciation of fashion and function for biking - it’s known as 
>> bicycle chic, in fact, I relate to that over the bike packing, 
>> century-conquering sets. And while I do have a keen mind, some mad talent in 
>> the kitchen, and a witty sense of humor, the day no one thinks I’m cute is 
>> going to be a sad day for me indeed. 
>> 
>> We’re not at work; we’re among friends in an affinity group. We can pay each 
>> other compliments. Let’s assume the best about one another; no one on this 
>> forum means anyone else any harm. Saying someone looks cute or fit or good 
>> is just fine. If you comment that my a$$ looks good in those shorts -I’d 
>> agree with you- but we’d have an issue, you and me, because that’s sexual. 
>> 
>> Now my dog, on the other hand…well, when he found out about this he really 
>> wanted to give Doug a chance to email HIM an apology. My American Eskimo dog 
>> does not identify as “cute.” And he is outraged that anyone would label him 
>> so.  
>> 
>> I respect your right not to ever receive a compliment. Even if your hair is 
>> really GQ that day, I promise I shall refrain. But let’s not shame 
>> well-meaning folks from paying harmless compliments. The culture in which we 
>> find ourselves is ridiculously offend-able and reactive and thin-skinned and 
>> ridiculous. Let’s refuse to participate.
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Sean Kline  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm glad to hear that. Your voice is your own. 
>>> 
>>> I wasn't seeking to speak for you at all, but flagging a comment that felt 
>>> outside my expectations of this forum. If others feels commenting on 
>>> member's appearance in that way is cool and 'just kidding' around, then 
>>> fine. I don't in the same way I don't expect a comment like that at work.
>>> 
 On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
  wrote:
 Sean, I fail to see anything sexual in Doug's comment. I see a compliment. 
 Please don't speak for me.
 
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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Doug H.]

Bicycle Belle Ding Ding,
What is the front rack on your bike? I'm looking for one to put on my 
commuter.
Doug

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 1:29:26 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Compliments are certainly not outside the expectations for this forum; we 
> give and get them in one way or another all the time on the list. I like 
> your style, great idea, awesome cap, cute dog, stylin' outfit, whatever. In 
> fact, there’s a whole (predominantly women’s) movement out there that 
> thrives on appreciation of fashion and function for biking - it’s known as 
> bicycle chic, in fact, I relate to that over the bike packing, 
> century-conquering sets. And while I do have a keen mind, some mad talent 
> in the kitchen, and a witty sense of humor, the day no one thinks I’m cute 
> is going to be a sad day for me indeed. 
>
> We’re not at work; we’re among friends in an affinity group. We can pay 
> each other compliments. Let’s assume the best about one another; no one on 
> this forum means anyone else any harm. Saying someone looks cute or fit or 
> good is just fine. If you comment that my a$$ looks good in those shorts 
> -I’d agree with you- but we’d have an issue, you and me, because that’s 
> sexual. 
>
> Now my dog, on the other hand…well, when he found out about this he really 
> wanted to give Doug a chance to email HIM an apology. My American Eskimo 
> dog does not identify as “cute.” And he is outraged that anyone would label 
> him so.  
>
> I respect your right not to ever receive a compliment. Even if your hair 
> is really GQ that day, I promise I shall refrain. But let’s not shame 
> well-meaning folks from paying harmless compliments. The culture in which 
> we find ourselves is ridiculously offend-able and reactive and thin-skinned 
> and ridiculous. Let’s refuse to participate.
>
> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Sean Kline  > wrote:
>
> I'm glad to hear that. Your voice is your own. 
>
> I wasn't seeking to speak for you at all, but flagging a comment that felt 
> outside my expectations of this forum. If others feels commenting on 
> member's appearance in that way is cool and 'just kidding' around, then 
> fine. I don't in the same way I don't expect a comment like that at work.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Sean, I fail to see anything sexual in Doug's comment. I see a 
>> compliment. Please don't speak for me.
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[RBW] FS: Frank Jones Senor parts a.k.a. "you choose my adventure"

[Bill Lindsay]

Since lots of you are receiving Frank Jones Senor frames around now, and 
since some of you don't start your build plans until after a new frame 
arrives, it occurred to me that I have two items that you might need or 
want.

1. A set of Tektro R559 long reach caliper brakes.  Recessed allen mount.  
Rivendell sells them for $80.  I'm selling these for $55 shipped.
2. A Dura-Ace 7710 32 hole rear track hub.  New in box.  $80 shipped

This is a "you choose my adventure" in the following ways:

I used the Tektro 559 brakes on my Schwinn Tempo 650B conversion.  The next 
stage in my Tempo adventure is having Ed Litton braze on cantilever posts.  
If you buy these brakes you will encourage me to get that work done, and 
you will discourage me from doing another 650B conversion for at least a 
little while. 

I bought the track hub to try fixed riding on a Quickbeam or maybe a 
Steamroller.  I ended up purchasing a single speed road bike with track 
ends and 130mm spacing, and I still use that.  If you buy this hub, you 
will discourage me from trying to find a used Quickbeam, and will 
discourage me from trying fixed riding.


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[dougP]

While many in this group are not into training, racing or other extreme 
forms of cycling, this article is good information and may serve as a 
cautionary tale for someone you know:

http://www.velonews.com/2018/02/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-no-burning-haywire-heart_456565

This goes back to "too much exercise may not be good for you".  Lennard 
does an excellent job of explaining a complex subject and relating his own 
experiences.  I've been down the path of drugs, cardioversion, ablations, 
pacemaker, different drugs, etc.  While I've never been a trained athlete, 
nor competed in any serious way, it's entirely possible that years of the 
"more is better" syndrome was contributory.  

Especially relevant is how he has had to adjust his riding activities to 
deal with his current reality.  It's a bit long & somewhat technical, but 
definitely worth the time and attention.

Doug Peterson

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Patrick Moore]

Well, now that it's safe to say so, I thought *all *parties in the photo in
question were looking very good that day. So was the bike. Tell your dog
that I think he is really handsome in a very uncute way.

Patrick Moore, who deprecates excessive earnestness (but was earnest in the
compliment. But not *excessively* earnest.)

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Compliments are certainly not outside the expectations for this forum; we
> give and get them in one way or another all the time on the list. I like
> your style, great idea, awesome cap, cute dog, stylin' outfit, whatever. In
> fact, there’s a whole (predominantly women’s) movement out there that
> thrives on appreciation of fashion and function for biking - it’s known as
> bicycle chic, in fact, I relate to that over the bike packing,
> century-conquering sets. And while I do have a keen mind, some mad talent
> in the kitchen, and a witty sense of humor, the day no one thinks I’m cute
> is going to be a sad day for me indeed.
>
> We’re not at work; we’re among friends in an affinity group. We can pay
> each other compliments. Let’s assume the best about one another; no one on
> this forum means anyone else any harm. Saying someone looks cute or fit or
> good is just fine. If you comment that my a$$ looks good in those shorts
> -I’d agree with you- but we’d have an issue, you and me, because that’s
> sexual.
>
> Now my dog, on the other hand…well, when he found out about this he really
> wanted to give Doug a chance to email HIM an apology. My American Eskimo
> dog does not identify as “cute.” And he is outraged that anyone would label
> him so.
>
> I respect your right not to ever receive a compliment. Even if your hair
> is really GQ that day, I promise I shall refrain. But let’s not shame
> well-meaning folks from paying harmless compliments. The culture in which
> we find ourselves is ridiculously offend-able and reactive and thin-skinned
> and ridiculous. Let’s refuse to participate.
>
> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Sean Kline 
> wrote:
>
> I'm glad to hear that. Your voice is your own.
>
> I wasn't seeking to speak for you at all, but flagging a comment that felt
> outside my expectations of this forum. If others feels commenting on
> member's appearance in that way is cool and 'just kidding' around, then
> fine. I don't in the same way I don't expect a comment like that at work.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sean, I fail to see anything sexual in Doug's comment. I see a
>> compliment. Please don't speak for me.
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones track end

[Wally Estrella]

I love that the QB cast BB has cable guides.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 12:54:50 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I believe Blue Lug requested a true singlespeed track end design. This 
> isn't intended to be a 4-speed like the Quickbeam. 

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Ryan Merrill]

Your 2 speed setup is awesome...really well done. 

I have a single speed mountain bike that I really love, so when I decide to 
really destroy myself on a trail ride I just take that. The Frank would be 
a pretty fun, and pretty, roadbike oriented SS for sure. 

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 12:19:13 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ryan, I'm in the same boat. My interest in trying fixed has really ramped 
> up recently, but I just bought a Cheviot and 2-speeded it. I'm out!

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Leah Peterson]

Compliments are certainly not outside the expectations for this forum; we give 
and get them in one way or another all the time on the list. I like your style, 
great idea, awesome cap, cute dog, stylin' outfit, whatever. In fact, there’s a 
whole (predominantly women’s) movement out there that thrives on appreciation 
of fashion and function for biking - it’s known as bicycle chic, in fact, I 
relate to that over the bike packing, century-conquering sets. And while I do 
have a keen mind, some mad talent in the kitchen, and a witty sense of humor, 
the day no one thinks I’m cute is going to be a sad day for me indeed. 

We’re not at work; we’re among friends in an affinity group. We can pay each 
other compliments. Let’s assume the best about one another; no one on this 
forum means anyone else any harm. Saying someone looks cute or fit or good is 
just fine. If you comment that my a$$ looks good in those shorts -I’d agree 
with you- but we’d have an issue, you and me, because that’s sexual. 

Now my dog, on the other hand…well, when he found out about this he really 
wanted to give Doug a chance to email HIM an apology. My American Eskimo dog 
does not identify as “cute.” And he is outraged that anyone would label him so. 
 

I respect your right not to ever receive a compliment. Even if your hair is 
really GQ that day, I promise I shall refrain. But let’s not shame well-meaning 
folks from paying harmless compliments. The culture in which we find ourselves 
is ridiculously offend-able and reactive and thin-skinned and ridiculous. Let’s 
refuse to participate.

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Sean Kline  wrote:
> 
> I'm glad to hear that. Your voice is your own. 
> 
> I wasn't seeking to speak for you at all, but flagging a comment that felt 
> outside my expectations of this forum. If others feels commenting on member's 
> appearance in that way is cool and 'just kidding' around, then fine. I don't 
> in the same way I don't expect a comment like that at work.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:07 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> mailto:jonasandle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Sean, I fail to see anything sexual in Doug's comment. I see a compliment. 
> Please don't speak for me.
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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan, I'm in the same boat. My interest in trying fixed has really ramped up 
recently, but I just bought a Cheviot and 2-speeded it. I'm out!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones track end

[Bill Lindsay]

Jeremy said:  "the QB's were made in Japan by Toyo"

I respectfully disagree slightly, leaning (as always) on Saint Sheldon:

AASHTA 

"The Quickbeam frame is made by Panasonic in Japan"



On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 9:49:55 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Well, (at least the green and orange) the QB's were made in Japan by Toyo, 
> so I'd imagine that their current Taiwanese supplier has a different supply 
> chain for frame parts than did Toyo at the time.  Secondly, the newer 
> dropout is hooded, like the dropouts on the Clem and Appaloosa, which 
> allows the dropout to be TIG welded to the stays rather than brazed.  I 
> think it also allows the dropout to fit a wider range of angles between the 
> stays without modification.  I'm not an expert in frame manufacturing and 
> I'm not sure how the costs balance against the cost of doing a new dropout 
> casting, but I'd imagine at least some of it is motivated by streamlining 
> the manufacturing process.  
>
> Finally, the new dropout has double eyelets whereas the QB ends had single 
> eyelets.
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 9:27:56 AM UTC-8, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>> Just curious why the original QB/SO track end was redesigned...
>> Does anyone know how the new one changes the flexibility of 
>> gearing...isn't it still an 8 tooth difference while maintaining brake pad 
>> position?
>> Maybe it's so they could extend the chain stays?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones track end

[iamkeith]

First production QBs ended up being made by Panasonic, I believe.

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Ryan Merrill]

If I didn't just buy an Appaloosa I would be all over it, but sadly there 
is only so much money in my wallet. :(

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:33:32 AM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
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> There is a 53cm Frank Jones, Sr for sale on the Riv website.
>
> Laing
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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

[Madam Xylene]

Try Jitensha Studio in Berkeley. I love the wool knickers I got from them 
as well as the wood argyle socks. They are very warm. I also have three 
pairs of Compass Bicycle knickers.  They are much sturdier than they look 
and work well in warmer weather.
Jitensha.com
Below is cut and paste from their website.
Eileen

Hiroshi had these made to his design by a Tokyo family business 
specializing in traditional climber's knickers. They are beautifully 
finished in 80/20 wool/nylon with leg grippers, buckle closures at the calf 
and in the back, and a combination of flap/button and button closure 
pockets. We also have socks 
.

metric sizes (cm): 76, 80, 84, 88, 92, 96, 100, 104

U.S. sizes (inch): 28, 29.5, 31, 32.5, 34, 35.5, 37, 38.5

price: $245.00
To go with our wool blend knickers, we have socks.

Right: Argyle
Wool 64%
Nylon 27%
Polyester 8%
Polyurethane 1%

price: $35

Center: Dralon
Acrylic 60%
Wool 26%
Polyester 13%
Polyurethane 1%

price: $30

Left: Beige
Wool 59%
Nylon 21%
Polyester 19%
Polyurethane 1%

price: $32

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>
> Och! Me knickers are in a twist! Sardonic grin. I am looking for knickers 
> to ride in and for daily wear (so not cycling spandex knickers, but more in 
> the spirit of Riv’s knickers of yore)
>
> My requirements are:
>
> — casual/dressy look and fit (if they fit like jeans, I’m golden)
> — loose enough to allow squatting and floor sitting, but not baggy
> — quiet as cotton
> — belt loop for 1.5” belt (like jeans)
> — Elastic at the knee
> — cool, breathable
>
> The two I’ve found that may fit the bill are:
>
> Zoik Reign: 
> https://www.competitivecyclist.com/zoic-reign-bike-knicker-mens?skidn=ZOI004S-BK-M&ti=UExQIENhdDpNZW4ncyBDeWNsaW5nIEtuaWNrZXJzOjE6OTpjY0NhdDEwMDIyNg==
>
> and Compass: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/
>
> Others I should look into?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

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I'm glad to hear that. Your voice is your own.

I wasn't seeking to speak for you at all, but flagging a comment that felt
outside my expectations of this forum. If others feels commenting on
member's appearance in that way is cool and 'just kidding' around, then
fine. I don't in the same way I don't expect a comment like that at work.

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> Please don't speak for me.
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[RBW] Frank Jones track end

[Joe Bernard]

I believe Blue Lug requested a true singlespeed track end design. This isn't 
intended to be a 4-speed like the Quickbeam. 

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones track end

[Jeremy Till]

Well, (at least the green and orange) the QB's were made in Japan by Toyo, 
so I'd imagine that their current Taiwanese supplier has a different supply 
chain for frame parts than did Toyo at the time.  Secondly, the newer 
dropout is hooded, like the dropouts on the Clem and Appaloosa, which 
allows the dropout to be TIG welded to the stays rather than brazed.  I 
think it also allows the dropout to fit a wider range of angles between the 
stays without modification.  I'm not an expert in frame manufacturing and 
I'm not sure how the costs balance against the cost of doing a new dropout 
casting, but I'd imagine at least some of it is motivated by streamlining 
the manufacturing process.  

Finally, the new dropout has double eyelets whereas the QB ends had single 
eyelets.

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>
> Just curious why the original QB/SO track end was redesigned...
> Does anyone know how the new one changes the flexibility of 
> gearing...isn't it still an 8 tooth difference while maintaining brake pad 
> position?
> Maybe it's so they could extend the chain stays?
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[RBW] Frank Jones track end

[iamkeith]

Total speculation:  

the QB was conceived as a low cost, utilitarian bike with minimal frills.  The 
stamped steel dropouts were stong and effective (not to mention ingenious at 
the time), but not especially pretty.  The FJ was intended to be very much the 
opposite.

Plus, manufacturing and design technology has improved by leaps and bounds 
since 2006.  I'll bet Grant and Co. are getting pretty good at Solidworks 
software.

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[RBW] last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[lconley]

There is a 53cm Frank Jones, Sr for sale on the Riv website.

Laing

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[RBW] Frank Jones track end

[jandrews_nyc]

Just curious why the original QB/SO track end was redesigned...
Does anyone know how the new one changes the flexibility of gearing...isn't 
it still an 8 tooth difference while maintaining brake pad position?
Maybe it's so they could extend the chain stays?

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Doug H.]

Thank you. The current state of affairs is one in which words given meaning 
they do not have and a simple gesture to a fellow human being is assigned 
ill intent. The word police step in and correct people so that they can 
seem above it all and superior. I don't play that game and won't be on the 
receiving end of that type of the sanctimonious nonsense.


On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 12:16:54 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> It wasn't a sexual comment. At all. It was a compliment, and one I 
> received warmly. 
>
> I'll go so far as to say this: most women appreciate when people notice 
> the effort they put into throwing together a nice outfit, or when they're 
> having a GREAT hair day or when they get new lipstick. Healthy women don't 
> want to be sexualized, and that's the difference. Rest assured Doug, you 
> are guiltless.
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

A note about Chop Chorts. They're "fenders" in the way a custom bobber 
motorcycle has fenders: They look good and will keep a modicum of road spray 
back, but you wouldn't be commuting in Seattle with these things. I live in 
mostly dry California and bought them for the look, ease of mounting, and to 
keep my saddlebags from being drenched. You ride these on uber wet streets, yo 
bike gon get uber wet. 

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It wasn't a sexual comment. At all. It was a compliment, and one I received 
warmly. 

I'll go so far as to say this: most women appreciate when people notice the 
effort they put into throwing together a nice outfit, or when they're having a 
GREAT hair day or when they get new lipstick. Healthy women don't want to be 
sexualized, and that's the difference. Rest assured Doug, you are guiltless.

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Doug H.]

I certainly meant no offense and it was not a sexual comment in my mind. I 
did reply to Sean privately and ask that in the future he share his 
concerns with me privately instead of grandstanding for the group. If it 
was not appropriate, I apologize.
Doug

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Ding! wrote:
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> Sean, I fail to see anything sexual in Doug's comment. I see a compliment. 
> Please don't speak for me.

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Sean, I fail to see anything sexual in Doug's comment. I see a compliment. 
Please don't speak for me.

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Abe: The Chop Chorts on a Cheviot don't pass under either brake so the tire 
size limit is the same as with no fenders. I'm running 41-ish Fatty Rumpkins 
but think I could easily get 48mm tires in there. 

PBH is 79ish, but I'm kinda short-legged vs. torso. Flipped Choco Bars with one 
inch lopped off the ends, 13cm stem. 

I'm not in Vallejo anymore, I moved to Novato a couple months ago. 

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Pancake]

Looks fantastic, the grips are nice and chunky, the blue is great. 

How wide a tire do you think you can fit with those Chop Chort fenders? I'm 
hoping to fit 42mm tires with fenders on my friend's 60cm Cheviot and I'm 
not sure which fenders would work best, but these Chorts sure look nice on 
your bike.

Also, may I ask how tall you are (and PBH) and what length stem you're 
using? I'm optimistic that the 12cm Tallux will fit me well with Albatross 
bars and I'm trying to figure how other's with similar setups fit. 

It looks like we're nearly neighbors! I'm in Napa but often cruise through 
Vallejo for Good Day Cafe, J's Garden, or on my way to Berkeley/Oakland. 
Hope to run into you sometime after I get my friend's Cheviot assembled.

-Abe

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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Tom, the unfortunately named handlebar devices are great. I thought they would 
be a nice extra grip area, but what hadn't occurred to me was how helpful they 
would be with braking on a steep hill. Yesterday I was sailing down one and 
really appreciated that I could grab some brake without my hands wanting to 
slide past the levers. Get you some unfortunately named devices!

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Sean Kline]

Hi Doug: my expectation of this group (and I presume that of others) is to 
read/share respectful comments on all things Riv/biking, not sexual comments on 
member’s looks. Let’s keep this a supportive forum. 

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:15:02 AM UTC-8, Doug H. wrote:
> Cute! And, the dog isn't bad either... ;-)
> 
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 2:30:18 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> How can I deny you this? Of course I can’t! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Reid  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:11:39 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>  Add a fluffy, adorable dog in the basket and people just swoon.
> 
> 
> Pics! Or it never happened. Would love to see the little guy.
> 
> 
> Reid 
> 
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[RBW] Re: 57 cm Blue Frank Jones Sr

[lconley]

Thanks.

I have definitely been emptying the cool old NOS parts bin on this one - 
this frame seemed to go demand these parts.

Laing


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> Love those beautiful pedals, cranks, and hubs/wheels!
> Lil drillium, lil French love. What a cool build, Laing. 
> Thanks for the photos. 
> Leif
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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[tc]

Joe, putty!  How do you like the ball cock washer grip setup?  Worth it?

Tom

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[RBW] FS: Swift Ozette LARGE $190 shipped

[lukeheller]

REMOVED. Sorry for the tease folks. I’m gonna keep it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

[Eric Norris]

I have a pair of the Compass knickers. I like them; my wife thinks they look 
silly. 

>From a durability standpoint, the fabric seems a little thin to me, but 
>they’ve given good service in the limited times I’ve worn them. You’ll need to 
>wear something under the knickers—I usually wear padded Lycra shorts under 
>mine.

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> On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Christopher Wiggins  wrote:
> 
> Jan does some knickers.  
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/
> 
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Och! Me knickers are in a twist! Sardonic grin. I am looking for knickers to 
> ride in and for daily wear (so not cycling spandex knickers, but more in the 
> spirit of Riv’s knickers of yore)
> 
> My requirements are:
> 
> — casual/dressy look and fit (if they fit like jeans, I’m golden)
> — loose enough to allow squatting and floor sitting, but not baggy
> — quiet as cotton
> — belt loop for 1.5” belt (like jeans)
> — Elastic at the knee
> — cool, breathable
> 
> The two I’ve found that may fit the bill are:
> 
> Zoik Reign: 
> https://www.competitivecyclist.com/zoic-reign-bike-knicker-mens?skidn=ZOI004S-BK-M&ti=UExQIENhdDpNZW4ncyBDeWNsaW5nIEtuaWNrZXJzOjE6OTpjY0NhdDEwMDIyNg==
>  
> 
> 
> and Compass: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/ 
> 
> 
> Others I should look into?
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
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[RBW] Re: 57 cm Blue Frank Jones Sr

[Leif Eckstrom]

Love those beautiful pedals, cranks, and hubs/wheels!
Lil drillium, lil French love. What a cool build, Laing. 
Thanks for the photos. 
Leif
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[RBW] FS: Swift Ozette LARGE $190 shipped

[lukeheller]

Price drop. $180 shipped

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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

[Belopsky]

Good call! I used to love Mont-Bell - 

FYI for everyone if you start looking around, the montbell jp site does 
ship overseas

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> Mont Bell sells wool knickers. 79% wool, to be exact.
> Though it says "Trekking Knickers," looks like it targets cyclists, with 
> reinforced seat area.
> They don't fit your requirement in that:
>
>- They have built-in waist belt, so they don't have belt loops.
>- They have straps at knee, not elastic
>
> If you're OK with above, I think they're great.
>
> http://en.montbell.jp/products/goods/disp.php?product_id=1105512
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

[Belopsky]

I have a pair of Swvre knickers that are too small for me. They're a 
thicker fabric, 30 waist. Any takers? $45.

NEW

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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

[Christopher Wiggins]

Jan does some 
knickers.  https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Och! Me knickers are in a twist! Sardonic grin. I am looking for knickers 
> to ride in and for daily wear (so not cycling spandex knickers, but more in 
> the spirit of Riv’s knickers of yore)
>
> My requirements are:
>
> — casual/dressy look and fit (if they fit like jeans, I’m golden)
> — loose enough to allow squatting and floor sitting, but not baggy
> — quiet as cotton
> — belt loop for 1.5” belt (like jeans)
> — Elastic at the knee
> — cool, breathable
>
> The two I’ve found that may fit the bill are:
>
> Zoik Reign: 
> https://www.competitivecyclist.com/zoic-reign-bike-knicker-mens?skidn=ZOI004S-BK-M&ti=UExQIENhdDpNZW4ncyBDeWNsaW5nIEtuaWNrZXJzOjE6OTpjY0NhdDEwMDIyNg==
>
> and Compass: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/compass-knickers-2016/
>
> Others I should look into?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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[RBW] Re: tons of frank jones info on bluelug

[Takashi]

 






Last weekend I visited Blue Lug again, and took some pictures of FJ.
Sorry about poor quality.
They let me test ride it, but I rode it for only short distance, and the 
area around the store is flat.
So I can't tell about its ride quality.

Takashi



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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

[Takashi]

Mont Bell sells wool knickers. 79% wool, to be exact.
Though it says "Trekking Knickers," looks like it targets cyclists, with 
reinforced seat area.
They don't fit your requirement in that:

   - They have built-in waist belt, so they don't have belt loops.
   - They have straps at knee, not elastic
   
If you're OK with above, I think they're great.

http://en.montbell.jp/products/goods/disp.php?product_id=1105512

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Mustasche

[Belopsky]

I do want a nitto dirt drop stem, maybe - 26.0 ?

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 6:27:46 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
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> FOUND thanks

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Mustasche

[Belopsky]

FOUND thanks

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr. slightly-rugged build

[lconley]

Mine included the headset packed with Phil Wood grease.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 1:14:14 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Tavan wrote:

> Interesting - I will have a chat with my shop. Thanks! If it was not 
> included in the package, then perhaps we can discuss with our buddies in 
> Walnut Creek.
>
> /J
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 8:16:45 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> On a concurrent Frank Jones thread, Belopsky linked to the information 
>> Riv posted on the blahg about the Jones.  It had the following sentence:
>>
>> "*Headset:* Included, our standard FSA sealed—saves you $55"
>>
>> Dave
>> Indianapolis, IN
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 9:38:47 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was under the impression these came with headset installed..?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 57 cm Blue Frank Jones Sr

[lconley]

Yes, Nitto lugged post and stem.

Campagnolo Hi-Lo hub with Euro-Asian track axle conversion.




Spidel crank with Lyotard Berthet pedals, KMC SS 1/8" chain, 38mm Barlow 
Pass EL tires




Laing
Cocoa, FL




On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 7:56:15 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:

> Sweet! Lugged Nitto post and stem?
>
>
>>  
>>
>

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