Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Lum Gim Fong]

tc:
How did you get that pic of your Sam? I wish I could get nice color tones like 
that!

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[RBW] From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Lum Gim Fong]

And , even though it was a 70-72 frame he ride it with a fistful of seatpost 
and bars well above saddle.

Google “Bike Forums Review Your Rivendell”.

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[RBW] From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Lum Gim Fong]

Also, it was a double top tuber

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[RBW] From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Lum Gim Fong]

The bike I referenced in the post above was a 71 seat tube measurement. So a 70 
or 72 hilsen i guess.

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[RBW] From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Lum Gim Fong]

I’m guessing they jacked up the seat and bar just to show people how high they 
will go on this size model.

14 garage door slats seat height is pretty tall though!!!

92cm SH?

Remindsme  of a Superhilsen I saw on another forum that was like a 72cm frame 
or sumpn. I’ll have to look it up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[R Shannon]

Patrick:

It’s the camera’s dirt removal filter:-)

Seriously, not a new build. Alternating among three bikes helps. But yes, I 
keep them clean.

Regards,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Nice! Thanks. I do wonder how you (all) keep your bikes so clean, 
> particularly the Atlantis. Was this photo taken just after a new build? Or 
> perhaps it's just that photos don't show dirt?
> 
> The new Ford Blue (it's a Rivendell custom road, just modifed by C Matthews) 
> is clean because I actually cleaned each bit and part as I re-assembled it. 
> But it will be at least a decade before it's as clean again; tho' I do wash 
> my bikes at least a few times a year, in addition to regular drivetrain and 
> moving part maintenance. The green Riv is not nearly as clean as the blue at 
> this point.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 6:39 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
>> Patrick:
>> 
>> You asked to see pics of my Atlantis and Sam H. Here they are. The Sam now 
>> has a basket on the front; otherwise it's as shown here.
>> 
>> By the way, your reimagined Matthews looks like a fun ride. Well done!
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> Thanks, Richard; I was going to repeat my question about the differences.
>>> 
>>> I would like to see photos.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:30 PM, RichS  wrote:
 Patrick,
 
 Quick summary to answer your question about the difference between the Sam 
 and the Atlantis: I have both. They are splendid rides. The ‘53 Atlantis 
 with 26 inch wheels feels more “planted” than Sam. Turns in quickly and 
 easily (26” wheel effect?). Super stable carrying a 20+ pound load. I love 
 it.
 
 The 650b ‘51 Sam with more slack angles is just as enjoyable but the ride 
 feels just a bit more luxurious. Perhaps the wheel size and angles 
 contribute to the effect. The front end wants to move a little more than 
 the Atlantis but it’s okay. Nothing squirrely about it. Could easily be my 
 road bike. For me, more so than the Atlantis.
 
 Both are set up for carrying loads (racks and baskets). Sam has drop bars 
 and Atlantis uses Albatross. It would be incredibly difficult to pick one 
 over the other.
 
 Hope this is helpful. I’ll send pics in another post.
 
 Best,
 Richard
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FT: Your Medium Shopsack for my Large

[dan beringhele]

Sorry, olive. I don’t really care what color I get in return.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 5:58 PM Belopsky  wrote:

> Color?
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 7:35:46 PM UTC-4, DB wrote:
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>> I'm looking to trade my large shopsack for your medium.  Mine's in great
>> shape, used without any tears, holes or stains.  Let me know if you're
>> interested.
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[RBW] Re: FT: Your Medium Shopsack for my Large

[Belopsky]

Color?

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> I'm looking to trade my large shopsack for your medium.  Mine's in great 
> shape, used without any tears, holes or stains.  Let me know if you're 
> interested.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Nice! Thanks. I do wonder how you (all) keep your bikes so clean,
particularly the Atlantis. Was this photo taken just after a new build? Or
perhaps it's just that photos don't show dirt?

The new Ford Blue (it's a Rivendell custom road, just modifed by C
Matthews) is clean because I actually cleaned each bit and part as I
re-assembled it. But it will be at least a decade before it's as clean
again; tho' I do wash my bikes at least a few times a year, in addition to
regular drivetrain and moving part maintenance. The green Riv is not nearly
as clean as the blue at this point.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 6:39 PM, R Shannon  wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> You asked to see pics of my Atlantis and Sam H. Here they are. The Sam now
> has a basket on the front; otherwise it's as shown here.
>
> By the way, your reimagined Matthews looks like a fun ride. Well done!
>
> All the best,
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Richard; I was going to repeat my question about the differences.
>>
>> I would like to see photos.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:30 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> Quick summary to answer your question about the difference between the
>>> Sam and the Atlantis: I have both. They are splendid rides. The ‘53
>>> Atlantis with 26 inch wheels feels more “planted” than Sam. Turns in
>>> quickly and easily (26” wheel effect?). Super stable carrying a 20+ pound
>>> load. I love it.
>>>
>>> The 650b ‘51 Sam with more slack angles is just as enjoyable but the
>>> ride feels just a bit more luxurious. Perhaps the wheel size and angles
>>> contribute to the effect. The front end wants to move a little more than
>>> the Atlantis but it’s okay. Nothing squirrely about it. Could easily be my
>>> road bike. For me, more so than the Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Both are set up for carrying loads (racks and baskets). Sam has drop
>>> bars and Atlantis uses Albatross. It would be incredibly difficult to pick
>>> one over the other.
>>>
>>> Hope this is helpful. I’ll send pics in another post.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Richard
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD600 46-36-26 170mm & Shimano BB's

[RDS]

I forgot to include the link to the crank pics in the original 
post.  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CzHNbh6QZ0NavySlJOkp4Mpt0IDNL5eX?usp=sharing

Let me know if you want pics of the BB's.

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 8:03:06 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
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> Like new Sugino XD600 46-36-26 crank.  170mm crank arm length.  The crank 
> was installed on an attempted bike build, but never used to ride.  So, it 
> was installed and uninstalled several times, but the bike never left the 
> stand.  A chain was installed a few times & pedalled enough to attempt FD & 
> RD adjustment.  It should be about as like new as you can get.  I purchased 
> from Universal Cycles in mid-March and paid $138.  I'll take $100 and I'll 
> pay the shipping to continental USA.
>
> I also have some Shimano UN55 bottom brackets in 110mm, 113mm, and 118mm.  
> All in really good shape.  I'll take $10 each w/ me paying shipping to 
> continental USA.  Like the crank, all of these have been installed, but 
> none of them have been ridden.
>
> Ship from Georgia.
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[RBW] FS: Sugino XD600 46-36-26 170mm & Shimano BB's

[RDS]

Like new Sugino XD600 46-36-26 crank.  170mm crank arm length.  The crank 
was installed on an attempted bike build, but never used to ride.  So, it 
was installed and uninstalled several times, but the bike never left the 
stand.  A chain was installed a few times & pedalled enough to attempt FD & 
RD adjustment.  It should be about as like new as you can get.  I purchased 
from Universal Cycles in mid-March and paid $138.  I'll take $100 and I'll 
pay the shipping to continental USA.

I also have some Shimano UN55 bottom brackets in 110mm, 113mm, and 118mm.  
All in really good shape.  I'll take $10 each w/ me paying shipping to 
continental USA.  Like the crank, all of these have been installed, but 
none of them have been ridden.

Ship from Georgia.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

[Montclair BobbyB]

The coolest part is Deacon Patrick’s beard turns white in the winter... you’re 
still my hero, Patrick. 

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[RBW] FT: Your Medium Shopsack for my Large

[DB]

I'm looking to trade my large shopsack for your medium.  Mine's in great 
shape, used without any tears, holes or stains.  Let me know if you're 
interested.


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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Bob Lovejoy]

Great looking bike!  

Because I really like the Acorn bag folks, and to keep me from buying 
another one myself, I will say Acorn shows at least one black tall rando 
bag available.  I am amazed it still shows available but there it is.

https://www.acornbags.com/collections/bags-currently-in-stock

Do you remember the size of the Berthoud decaleur you are using with the 
Acorn?  No worries if not but if you do know, it would help.

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL



On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 6:12:27 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> I use my 2017 58 Sam for paved greenways and roads.  It's a standard 
> 'complete' build, except I swapped out the std Noodles for 46s, added black 
> cork tape, plus a kickstand.  Later added an Acorn roll bag, and Acorn's 
> Tall Rando bag (had to wait FOREVER for them to do a black canvas run!).  
> Berthoud decaleur, and a Nitto M18 (?) front rack .  The Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires are like butter.  I don't much like the look of the Topeak Road Morph 
> mini pump, but it's one of the nicer pumps I've operated.  Bottle cage is a 
> Velo Orange Retro.
>
> I need to mount another bottle cage before the heat sets in, so will 
> probably stuff the pump somewhere else.
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Pretty. Won't that pump fit into that big front bag?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 5:12 PM, tc  wrote:

> I use my 2017 58 Sam for paved greenways and roads.  It's a standard
> 'complete' build, except I swapped out the std Noodles for 46s, added black
> cork tape, plus a kickstand.  Later added an Acorn roll bag, and Acorn's
> Tall Rando bag (had to wait FOREVER for them to do a black canvas run!).
> Berthoud decaleur, and a Nitto M18 (?) front rack .  The Snoqualmie Pass
> tires are like butter.  I don't much like the look of the Topeak Road Morph
> mini pump, but it's one of the nicer pumps I've operated.  Bottle cage is a
> Velo Orange Retro.
>
> I need to mount another bottle cage before the heat sets in, so will
> probably stuff the pump somewhere else.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

BTW, I also like the black edition.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Nice. I draw this lesson from this great variety of Sams: If at first you
> don't like a Rivendell model, wait a few years. I think that I'd probably
> have kept a 55 X 57 single tt Sam that cleared 50 mm tires.
>
> But, Rivendell: *Don't *change the Roadeo until I categorically rule it
> out. It's neck-to-neck with the "old high end stage racer" option in the
> "let's get a new bike for multiple gears and freewheel" sweepstakes.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:58 PM, jandrews_nyc 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's my first generation SH which I think is the same frameset that
>> Patrick used to have.
>> it's 56cm with a 59 top tube and cantis.
>> When I purchased it at Riv HQ, Kevin sold me the last green/gold they had
>> and they were awaiting the arrival of the first shipment of orange Sams.
>> He told me at that time that the newer bikes would have more clearance at
>> the chainstays.  I don't know if subsequently those clearances were
>> increased again.  Maybe when the frame sizing shift happened ..when the 56
>> became 55's , etc.  But I can tell you that my issue SH has the smallest
>> clearances and it's currently wearing Bruce Gordon RnR's (700x43) and
>> aluminum fenders.   Here's an old photo of it with Schwalbe Dureme
>> 50's...and the tight but useable clearance at the chain stays.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> and on tour last year
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> and as it is now
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Nice. I draw this lesson from this great variety of Sams: If at first you
don't like a Rivendell model, wait a few years. I think that I'd probably
have kept a 55 X 57 single tt Sam that cleared 50 mm tires.

But, Rivendell: *Don't *change the Roadeo until I categorically rule it
out. It's neck-to-neck with the "old high end stage racer" option in the
"let's get a new bike for multiple gears and freewheel" sweepstakes.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:58 PM, jandrews_nyc 
wrote:

> Here's my first generation SH which I think is the same frameset that
> Patrick used to have.
> it's 56cm with a 59 top tube and cantis.
> When I purchased it at Riv HQ, Kevin sold me the last green/gold they had
> and they were awaiting the arrival of the first shipment of orange Sams.
> He told me at that time that the newer bikes would have more clearance at
> the chainstays.  I don't know if subsequently those clearances were
> increased again.  Maybe when the frame sizing shift happened ..when the 56
> became 55's , etc.  But I can tell you that my issue SH has the smallest
> clearances and it's currently wearing Bruce Gordon RnR's (700x43) and
> aluminum fenders.   Here's an old photo of it with Schwalbe Dureme
> 50's...and the tight but useable clearance at the chain stays.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> and on tour last year
>
>
> 
>
> and as it is now
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[tc]

I use my 2017 58 Sam for paved greenways and roads.  It's a standard 
'complete' build, except I swapped out the std Noodles for 46s, added black 
cork tape, plus a kickstand.  Later added an Acorn roll bag, and Acorn's 
Tall Rando bag (had to wait FOREVER for them to do a black canvas run!).  
Berthoud decaleur, and a Nitto M18 (?) front rack .  The Snoqualmie Pass 
tires are like butter.  I don't much like the look of the Topeak Road Morph 
mini pump, but it's one of the nicer pumps I've operated.  Bottle cage is a 
Velo Orange Retro.

I need to mount another bottle cage before the heat sets in, so will 
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[RBW] My one-year review of Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

That's a lovely Chev, my friend. An interesting note about the "wrong" side of 
the frame explaining the right way to pronounce Cheviot: I can't do it. I've 
asked Grant, I've read the decal, but every time I say it, it comes out 
Chevy-aught. So Chevy-aught it is!

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[RBW] Re: Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

[Joe Bernard]

Ahh, good-old bikelist.org. How long has RBW Bunch been around?

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[RBW] Re: Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

[John Hawrylak]

Jim
It is always good to periodically tell the story.

John Hawrylak
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[RBW] Re: Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

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On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 11:36:19 AM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: 
Way back in the beginning of this virtual group ride, when dial-up was 
a thing and gmail wasn't...

But wait, Rivendell still uses dial-up, no? Say it ain't so!

Thanks for herding the cats, Jim!

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Re: [RBW] FS Brooks C19 Black

[Paul Choi]

Conway,

A local list member is going to pick it up tonight. I will touch base
tomorrow if he doesn't show up.
Thank you for your interest.

Paul

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> I'd like that for my wife's bike if it's still available.
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[RBW] FS Brooks C19 Black

[Conway Bennett]

I'd like that for my wife's bike if it's still available.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[jandrews_nyc]

Here's my first generation SH which I think is the same frameset that 
Patrick used to have.
it's 56cm with a 59 top tube and cantis.
When I purchased it at Riv HQ, Kevin sold me the last green/gold they had 
and they were awaiting the arrival of the first shipment of orange Sams. 
 He told me at that time that the newer bikes would have more clearance at 
the chainstays.  I don't know if subsequently those clearances were 
increased again.  Maybe when the frame sizing shift happened ..when the 56 
became 55's , etc.  But I can tell you that my issue SH has the smallest 
clearances and it's currently wearing Bruce Gordon RnR's (700x43) and 
aluminum fenders.   Here's an old photo of it with Schwalbe Dureme 
50's...and the tight but useable clearance at the chain stays.






and on tour last year



and as it is now








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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Richard; I was going to repeat my question about the differences.

I would like to see photos.


On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:30 PM, RichS  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Quick summary to answer your question about the difference between the Sam
> and the Atlantis: I have both. They are splendid rides. The ‘53 Atlantis
> with 26 inch wheels feels more “planted” than Sam. Turns in quickly and
> easily (26” wheel effect?). Super stable carrying a 20+ pound load. I love
> it.
>
> The 650b ‘51 Sam with more slack angles is just as enjoyable but the ride
> feels just a bit more luxurious. Perhaps the wheel size and angles
> contribute to the effect. The front end wants to move a little more than
> the Atlantis but it’s okay. Nothing squirrely about it. Could easily be my
> road bike. For me, more so than the Atlantis.
>
> Both are set up for carrying loads (racks and baskets). Sam has drop bars
> and Atlantis uses Albatross. It would be incredibly difficult to pick one
> over the other.
>
> Hope this is helpful. I’ll send pics in another post.
>
> Best,
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[RichS]

Patrick,

Quick summary to answer your question about the difference between the Sam and 
the Atlantis: I have both. They are splendid rides. The ‘53 Atlantis with 26 
inch wheels feels more “planted” than Sam. Turns in quickly and easily (26” 
wheel effect?). Super stable carrying a 20+ pound load. I love it.

The 650b ‘51 Sam with more slack angles is just as enjoyable but the ride feels 
just a bit more luxurious. Perhaps the wheel size and angles contribute to the 
effect. The front end wants to move a little more than the Atlantis but it’s 
okay. Nothing squirrely about it. Could easily be my road bike. For me, more so 
than the Atlantis.

Both are set up for carrying loads (racks and baskets). Sam has drop bars and 
Atlantis uses Albatross. It would be incredibly difficult to pick one over the 
other.

Hope this is helpful. I’ll send pics in another post.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[Ron Mc]

thanks - I just did it for trainer time in the winter to give me some more 
body positions and muscle groups.  But when once I got it on the road, I 
loved it.  Grabbing the cork ends makes for very fast steering, but I found 
all the inside hand positions to be very stable and very slow steering.  

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 10:19:34 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> The map ahearnes with your additional “tri- like” bars are Avery cool idea!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick is famous

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

DP, forget this front cover stuff, hold out for the centerfold ;-)). Joking 
aside, that is a great action shot.
-Marc


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[RBW] Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Deacon Patrick]

I’ve debated this, and am only a rear wheel away from a “go-fast” Barlow Pass 
extra wheelset I could use on either my Hunqabeam or Quickbeam. It may happen 
one day.

With abandon,
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[RBW] My one-year review of Cheviot

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome, purposful build, Josette. I love how you dove in and did it anyroad! 
Rivendells love all weathers. Grin. You keep your bike so clean! I think my 
bikes started off different colors, but they end up being the same 
redish/brown/grey. Might get you the color you want? Grin. Keep on riding with 
abandon!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

[Kainalu V.]

I agree, secret identities blow. I've never seen Bill L. and Mark A. in the 
same room!*.  
Kinda makes me wonder...**  
-Kai
BK NY

*I've never even been to Walnut Creek, that might have something to do with 
it
**a lot of stuff does, most things actually


On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 11:45:39 AM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> I think it’s great, too. 
>
> I also think it’s great he uses his real name, as does Jenny. 
>
> What would not be cool is a Riv employee anonymously posting. That would 
> be sorta like calling in to a conference call without letting anyone know - 
> basically snooping.  That can get you placed on notice where I work. Not 
> saying anyone at Riv does this, and would certainly not expect it from 
> anyone there!  Just saying it’s great that they participate “out in the 
> open”. 
>
> Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Patrick Moore]

I didn't read your comment that way, FWIW, but I am interested in hearing
how well, or badly, they work with the Edeluxe and Ixon Premium and ilk.

And: If the Velogical does power a, say, Edeluxe, will it power the Edeluxe
and a tail light?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Mat Grewe  wrote:

> I apologize, I didn't mean to imply that the are not compatible, as I do
> not know myself!  Peter said they do not *guarantee* their lights are
> compatible.
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 10:28:16 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> And apology if this was answered earlier, but do B and Schmidt lights
>> actually work with the Velogical or not?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Mat Grewe  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Peter,
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their
>>> lights are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance
>>> changed in the last few years?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mat
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:

 Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are
 compatible with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and
 Wilfried Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with
 Velogical dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using
 their lights with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged
 lights used with Velogical dynamos.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Austin B.]

@Patrick, the blue was a stock color up to 2016 (I have the same color). 
It's nice but if the 2017 Sage green been an option, I'd have gone that 
route. 

62cm sage-for-blue trade anyone? :-)

-Austin




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>
> Tim -- nice build. I had in mind another Sam, also drops, but IIRC the 
> drops were lower. But a slate blue with cream; was that a stock color?
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: "Canti-Rom" Romulus 59, built for randonneuring

[DMG]

If this setup is too fancy/expensive, I was thinking about removing the 
rack/bag/dyno and selling it more in its original form for a much lower price. 
Let me know if that would be of interest to anyone out there in Riv-land...

Thanks, Dan in DC

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[RBW] Re: My one-year review of Cheviot

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Josette,
Great bike! Hope to see you riding around. I mainly ride around Arlington 
and Cambridge for my commute-- ride the nice bike when you can... which is 
all the time! 

When I have a bit of extra time, I'll take a ride along the Charles. Also, 
Battle Road is great for biking with kids. 

Tailwinds,
Shoji
Arlington MA


On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 11:25:24 AM UTC-4, Josette Akresh-Gonzales 
wrote:
>
> Hi Rivendell owners!
>
> I am writing to share a blog post I wrote about my Cheviot — impressions, 
> pictures, and stories from this past year commuting to work, running 
> errands, and going out with friends by bike. :)
>
>
> https://josette-the-voice-within.blogspot.com/2018/03/rivendell-cheviot-one-year-review.html
>
> All best,
> Josette
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[RBW] Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

[tc]

I think it’s great, too. 

I also think it’s great he uses his real name, as does Jenny. 

What would not be cool is a Riv employee anonymously posting. That would be 
sorta like calling in to a conference call without letting anyone know - 
basically snooping.  That can get you placed on notice where I work. Not saying 
anyone at Riv does this, and would certainly not expect it from anyone there!  
Just saying it’s great that they participate “out in the open”. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I always think it's a great thing when GP or one of the gang responds in a 
thread. It adds a wonderful aspect to our discussions.

But I do want to be exceptionally clear on this point - it is _NOT_ a 
direct line to RBW, Rivendell Bikes, Rivbike.com or anything to do with the 
denizens of Walnut Creek.

Way back in the beginning of this virtual group ride, when dial-up was 
a thing and gmail wasn't, there was some confusion about the nature of the 
Rivendell discussion group, and some people got upset that the RBW Staff 
could not immediately respond to questions about orders or items or issues. 
I offered to take over management of the group and clearly separate it from 
any method of direct communications with RBW. 

Customer service questions, or order questions or anything that needs an 
official answer should be directed to Rivendell Bicycle Works. 

- Jim / group admin

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 8:25:45 AM UTC-7, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> I've been perusing this group for about a year now, and can I just say 
> that it's really cool and special to have Grant et al so involved here? I 
> was recently keeping a close eye on the hotly developing "Lower price 
> Atlantis" thread and every time I saw that Grant replied I just thought to 
> myself, "oh wow, neat."
>
> Of course you can always call the shop and chat with RBW staff one-on-one, 
> but I think this forum is a different kind of direct line to the people 
> calling the shots, and seeing their involvement provides a unique level of 
> connection that I think is hard to find elsewhere.
>
> Overall, pretty cool.
>
> Erik in Philly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mat Grewe]

I apologize, I didn't mean to imply that the are not compatible, as I do 
not know myself!  Peter said they do not *guarantee* their lights are 
compatible.

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 10:28:16 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> And apology if this was answered earlier, but do B and Schmidt lights 
> actually work with the Velogical or not?
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Mat Grewe  > wrote:
>
>> Hey Peter,
>>
>> Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their lights 
>> are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance changed in 
>> the last few years?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mat
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are compatible 
>>> with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and Wilfried 
>>> Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with Velogical 
>>> dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using their lights 
>>> with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged lights used 
>>> with Velogical dynamos.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

[Ryan Merrill]

It's a very good thing to have Grant and the Riv staff comment here. 

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 10:25:45 AM UTC-5, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> I've been perusing this group for about a year now, and can I just say 
> that it's really cool and special to have Grant et al so involved here? I 
> was recently keeping a close eye on the hotly developing "Lower price 
> Atlantis" thread and every time I saw that Grant replied I just thought to 
> myself, "oh wow, neat."
>
> Of course you can always call the shop and chat with RBW staff one-on-one, 
> but I think this forum is a different kind of direct line to the people 
> calling the shots, and seeing their involvement provides a unique level of 
> connection that I think is hard to find elsewhere.
>
> Overall, pretty cool.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Patrick Moore]

And apology if this was answered earlier, but do B and Schmidt lights
actually work with the Velogical or not?

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Mat Grewe  wrote:

> Hey Peter,
>
> Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their lights
> are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance changed in
> the last few years?
>
> Thanks,
> Mat
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>>
>> Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are compatible
>> with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and Wilfried
>> Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with Velogical
>> dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using their lights
>> with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged lights used
>> with Velogical dynamos.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mat Grewe]

Hey Peter,

Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their lights 
are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance changed in 
the last few years?

Thanks,
Mat

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are compatible 
> with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and Wilfried 
> Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with Velogical 
> dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using their lights 
> with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged lights used 
> with Velogical dynamos.
>
> PJW
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:45 AM, Manos Carabassis  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Matthew,
>>
>>  Nice short review. Very significant that you also have a SON dynohub, so 
>> that you can actually
>> compare the Velogical against the "standard" one.
>>  I'm about to purchase a dynamo, the Velogical seems a nice solution.
>> My main concern is how drag evolves riding at higher speeds, contrary to 
>> dynohubs where output
>> voltage / power tend to stabilize above a speed on the Velogical speed / 
>> voltage and drag seem to 
>> be in a linear relation resulting in rather high drag numbers above 20mph.
>> My question is if you've felt such a drag increase above 20mph. 
>> Also comparing to the SON does the Velogical feel "heavier" at higher 
>> speeds ?
>> I guess the photo represents the actual Velogical dynamo, so you've got 
>> the "Trekking" edition.
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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Items - For Sale

[Mat Grewe]

Sale pending on the bar end shifter pods.

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 12:51:45 PM UTC-5, Mat Grewe wrote:
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> Just the bar end pods are still available.  Everything else has been sold.
>
>- Silver bar end shifter PODS ONLY - Lightly used - $25
>
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[RBW] My one-year review of Cheviot

[Josette Akresh-Gonzales]

Hi Rivendell owners!

I am writing to share a blog post I wrote about my Cheviot — impressions,
pictures, and stories from this past year commuting to work, running
errands, and going out with friends by bike. :)

https://josette-the-voice-within.blogspot.com/2018/03/rivendell-cheviot-one-year-review.html

All best,
Josette

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[RBW] Grant and RBW staff's involvement in this group

[Erik Wright]

I've been perusing this group for about a year now, and can I just say that 
it's really cool and special to have Grant et al so involved here? I was 
recently keeping a close eye on the hotly developing "Lower price Atlantis" 
thread and every time I saw that Grant replied I just thought to myself, 
"oh wow, neat."

Of course you can always call the shop and chat with RBW staff one-on-one, 
but I think this forum is a different kind of direct line to the people 
calling the shots, and seeing their involvement provides a unique level of 
connection that I think is hard to find elsewhere.

Overall, pretty cool.

Erik in Philly

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[RBW] Re: Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[tc]

The map ahearnes with your additional “tri- like” bars are Avery cool idea!

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[RBW] Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[tc]

I think for me, I’d need only 2 wheel sets. One running something like 
Snoqualmies, and another with 2” knobbies. I could actually get identical size 
rims to minimize brake adjustments. 

Chain, cassettes, pretty much everything else *could* be the same, though I 
tend to like drops for road and mtb bars for dirt. But I don’t ride dirt as 
often as I’d like anymore. My Clem was an attempt at forcing me to ride 
off-road. 

Still pondering. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Tim -- nice build. I had in mind another Sam, also drops, but IIRC the
drops were lower. But a slate blue with cream; was that a stock color?

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Patrick, I'm not sure if mine was one that you had commented on but if so
> I thank you for the compliment. Mine was purchased in 2016. It was the
> version prior to the canti Sam available now. The paint on mine is a stock
> color. More of a light blue and cream two tone. Looks amazing in person. I
> heard the orange one is much faster. (wink wink) One recommendation I
> learned about on this board was to go with the Compass Barlow Pass tires
> with extra light casing. I will say without a shadow of a doubt that those
> tires are the best riding tires I have ever had the pleasure to experience.
> They are just about perfect for the Sam. This is a great bike for its
> versatility. I am enjoying it so much now that I have it as my main road
> bike. Thats not to say I wouldn't enjoy it any less had I set it up again
> with the Albatross bars.
>
> Tim
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 10:50:13 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> There have been photos of quite a few nice Sams on the list recently,
>> notably Paul Saporito's on the Blug and that slate gray one yesterday. (How
>> do y'all keep your bikes so damned *clean?*). I gather that the Sam must
>> be, if not the most popular Riv model, certainly up there with the top 3
>> (which are??? -- Sam, Atlantis, Appaloosa?).
>>
>> Particularly interesting is the variety of builds: uprights and drop
>> bars, touring and commuting with huge Wald baskets, and at least one recent
>> poster converted his to his main road bike.
>>
>> I briefly (12 months? 18?) owned a canti Sam, perhaps the original model,
>> in a 55, but found it straddled my particular niches too much -- wouldn't
>> take the fat tires I need here, for dirt riding in our river sand; too
>> beefy to feel as spritely as I want for a pure road bike -- and I had the 2
>> custom roads anyway. Also, the tt of that model was a bit too long, even
>> with the slacker (72? 71.5?) sta -- I hear that later models had,
>> relatively speaking, shorter tts. If mine had taken 50 mm tires and had a
>> cm off the tt, it would have made a nice bosque bomber that rode well on
>> pavement. (I think a Sam shod with 38 or 44 Compass extralights would be
>> very nice, tho' again the tires wouldn't work, for me, in our Rio Grande
>> river silt.)
>>
>> So: Am I right about the Sam being among the top 3 most popular models?
>>
>> And: You Sam owners: how do you build and use yours: errands, dirt, road
>> ...?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps it was 56; I seem to recall it too was a 2009. At any rate, it did
have a 59 tt. Single one, though, with cantis.

Question: Bob, you get 47s (labeled) in your 2009. What is the actual
width, and how wide a tire (actual) can this model take? Perhaps I short
changed mine by sticking with the Jack Brown Greens. Well, otoh, that 59 tt
should have been a 58 or even a 57 to get the bar where I wanted it.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Here are front/rear clearance shots on my ‘09 canti Sam (56cm) with 42
> Soma Shikoros. I’ve run 47mm Marathons without issue, too. Been very
> curious about the 48mm Supple Vitesse. Can anyone compare them to Shikoros?
>
> Also, Patrick: I believe yours would’ve been a 56 if it was first gen. The
> tt on my 56 is 57.5. Some had 59, I believe.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Patrick Moore]

I only meant that you can't lump Victoriana with Kells or arabesques;
they're completely different aeshetic types of "fill in the space".

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:39 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Well, not really. The definition is "fear of empty space." While Mario
> Praz  may have meant it in a derogatory sense when he used it to describe
> Victorian interiors, the phrase in itself is not making an aesthetic
> judgement. And I've actually come to appreciate the chaos of the more
> extreme Victorian examples. Another Mario, Mario Buatta, makes a good
> living as the Prince of Chintz:
>
>
> 
>
> And to be fair, the examples you mention are artistic creations, not
> interiors. For an artistic interpretation of Victorianeque interiors, you
> can't beat Edouard Vuillard:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:02:48 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Glancing at the Wiki article: the author is completely wrong when
>> comparing Victorian clutter, which is truly bizarre, weird, and
>> head-hurting (recall a truly nauseating exhibit of mid-Victoriana at an
>> Atlanta museum 3 decades ago) and book of Kells or Islamic arabesques;
>> completely and totally different in intent and effect. Just for the record,
>> and not pointing fingers. But the distinction is important.
>>
>> Victorian decor is truly *horror vacui.*
>>
>> Back to our regular programming.
>>
>>
>> *The term is associated with the Italian art critic and scholar Mario
>> Praz , who used it to describe
>> the suffocating atmosphere and clutter of interior design in the Victorian
>> age .[2]
>>  
>> Older,
>> and more artistically esteemed examples can be seen on Migration period art
>>  objects like
>> the carpet pages  of Insular
>>  illuminated manuscripts such as
>> the Book of Kells . This
>> feeling of meticulously filling empty spaces also permeates Arabesque
>>  Islamic art from
>> ancient times to the present. Another example comes from ancient Greece
>> during the Geometric Age
>>  (1100 - 900 BCE), when horror
>> vacui was considered a stylistic element of all art. The mature work of the
>> French Renaissance engraver Jean Duvet
>>  consistently exhibits horror
>> vacui.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:55 AM, EasyRider  wrote:
>>
>>> This horror?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_vacui
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-4, Reid Ewing wrote:

 With the rear wheel spacing seen in Grant's photo, looks like the Riv
 traditional wine cork fender spacer is not going to work. Horrors! What
 will we do?

 Reid


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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Patrick Moore]

What, the hot dog? I love boiled hot dogs. But not if they're too long.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:04 PM, dougP  wrote:

> You've boiled it down to its essence.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Patrick Moore]

I never had a problem doing this. After all, if you are spreading a chain's
wear over 3 cassettes, you are not going to wear it in to one of those
cassettes alone.

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> Is it ok to run the same chain on different cassettes (regarding different
> wear on those cassettes)?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Patrick Moore]

I tried that 25-30 years ago, only with a various moderately high end
mountain bike frameset )the last of 3 was a '91 Stumpjumper Team), years
ago, and found that I preferred different bikes for different purposes. I
had wheels for 2" knobbies, wheels for 35 mm Fatboys or City Slickers, and
a wheelset for very light 22-23 mm Turbos. Each wheel had different
cassettes. I used the same rims for all wheels, so I did not have to adjust
brakes.

I found that I missed the feel of a more "roady" bike, and discovered that
the cockpit setup was too much of a compromise, and ended the experiment
when I bought a '92 XO-1, which I built up as a gofast with the Turbos; I
then kept the steel mtb frame with 35 mm wheels as a drop bar commuter, and
got myself another mountain bike for off road riding.

Years later I did have a 60 mm wheelset for my Fargo along with a 32
(actual; Kojaks) mm one, but again discovered that, when I ride 32s I
prefer a lighter frame and a slightly more agressive position.

OTOH, 3 wheels each with its own gearing worked better than trying to get
both road and dirt gearing on the same wheelset with a Mountain Tamer Quad
and a 16 t granny "ring".

Turning the question around a bit: if you use the same bike for different
conditions, do you prefer a more dirt oriented bike for road riding, or a
more road oriented bike for dirt riding? I assume that most on this list
choose the former --witness the road-ified Sams; but I rather enjoy riding
~30 mm Elk Passes on our local dirt (when moisture has packed the sand down
a bit) and, if I had to choose 1 or t'other, I think I'd prefer a road bike
on dirt to a mountain bike on road, or for that matter, a compromise. But:
a neat bike would be a 559 road bike like my Rivs that would take both the
Elk Passes and the Rat Trap Passes; for that, I'd build 2 wheelsets for 1
bike. Oh, it would have to have either cantis or disc brakes ... (would
want to use Dura Ace 7410 levers). And in fact, that option is on my short
list for a 5th, multi-geared road, bike.



On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:

> When I converted my Sam to single speed, I left the rear derailler and
> rear shifter on the bike and kept the cassette wheel and chain - to be able
> to switch back and forth.
> That must have been 3 years ago and I haven't switched once.
>
> Anyone want a decent used wheelset cheap?
>
> Jay
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 6:44:00 AM UTC+3, tc wrote:
>>
>> I was reading this great article
>> on
>> "Chasing Mailboxes" about Kevin Turinsky and his Atlantis.  He mentioned
>> he kept 3 sets of wheels for it to exploit the frame's versatility.
>>
>> That got me to thinking, how many people actually do that?  It seems like
>> such a great idea for the right frame/fork ... and the Atlantis seems to be
>> that bike for a lot of people.  I think the Hunq, or Ogre, or Cross-Check,
>> or Fargo, or Monster Cross might be that frame for some.
>>
>> The $$ savings would be great.
>>
>> If you don't race, if you don't do jumps, or figure yourself a weight
>> weenie, what the heck -- why not?
>>
>> I guess it might be a hassle to go back and forth between a SS and a
>> multi-speed setup on the same frame, so there's that...esp. if you found
>> you liked to do both regularly.
>>
>> I guess for most of us, we can't get away from "n+1", so there's that.
>>
>> Anyway, just pondering.
>>
>> Good night, all...
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Lum Gim Fong]

When you switch wheels i am guessing you run the same chain on the different 
cassetes on the different wheels. Is that ok for the chain since the cassette 
wear pattern differs from wheel to wheel?

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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Is it ok to run the same chain on different cassettes (regarding different wear 
on those cassettes)?

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[RBW] Re: Fs: Suntour to buy five Grupo with cable stops

[Thomas McCause]

forgive the typos, was posting from my phone's text to speech app.

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 8:39:52 PM UTC-6, Thomas McCause wrote:
>
> Looking for $75 Plus shipping for the power ratchet shifters cranks front 
> and rear derailleurs and freewheel. Feel free to make an offer

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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

+1 - what Bill said... 

I love the idea, I love the possibilities!  But those wheels, sitting there 
in the corner or hung on hooks, they can call out to you... I heard someone 
state that almost any cool bike part can have that effect but wheels, in my 
experience, are the worst... or the best certainly to be treated with 
great respect, logic and discipline.  Kind of reminds me of that "you can 
have any two out of the three".  Indeed!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:57:07 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Inevitably when I run an extra set of wheels for a bike, I end up buying 
> another frame to go with the wheels.  Wheels are the gateway drug for N+1.  
> :)
>
> BL in EC
>
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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Ron Mc]

I have clinchers and tubies each for two bikes

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Re: [RBW] Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[Ron Mc]

my buddy put cowchippers on his tandem



you can see the width and flare here

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:01:13 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I have a Cowchipper on my Roadeo and like it a lot.  I went nuts and used 
> a Woodchipper on my road bikes for a while.  They are really funky with a 
> super wide flare.  I've done double centuries with the Woodchipper and 
> never felt like I was miserable in the headwinds because of the bars.  Only 
> because I was miserable :).  I loved climbing with the Woodchippers because 
> it felt like I had lots of leverage.
>
> You can't really see the flare from this angle, but here's a picture with 
> the bars:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/7037147233/
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bar-swapping: Drops out, Jitensha bars in

[Belopsky]

I have the Jones SG on my Gunnar now. I went from the Specialized Hover 
bars, to Salsa Cowchipper, to the Jones.
I trimmed the Jones a bit for width.

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[RBW] Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Tom,

This is something I have not yet accomplished but have been considering a lot 
lately.  I have too many bike projects taking up space and cluttering my mind.  
I do enjoy tinkering and have had reservations about doing a big purge only to 
later regret getting rid of certain parts so I’m trying to come up with some 
well planned solutions to minimize to a couple frames and keep some 
interchangeable components and wheels around to do bar/wheel/drivetrain swaps.  
I still have a lot of planning and reorganizing to do but also fear what Bill 
has suggested about having those spare wheels around and being the gateway to 
n+1.

My ideal scenario in theory however is to keep two frames that take the same 
size wheels and a few different wheelsets to swap around at leisure and always 
keep the two bikes built differently (such as hauler vs go fast or drop vs 
upright, for example.)

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Re: FS Sackville and Brooks

[Steve Butcher]

This is perfectly fine with me, Max.  Someone buy Max's Olive Saddlesack so 
Max can buy mine.  

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:06:58 PM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> Let me know if this is breaching etiquette somehow, but... If someone 
> wants a Medium Sackville but in a different colorway, maybe we can do a 
> 3-way trade – I’ve got a Medium in olive-ish (with a leather bottom, no 
> less!) and the pouch, that I wouldn’t mind trading for a gray. So, if you 
> want a Med Sackville in that color, buy it from me and I promise to then 
> turn around and buy this gray one! I need / want a Med Sackville, so this 
> would only really work as a trade. 

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[RBW] Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Palmer]

Hello Tom,
I am a confessed wheel junkie. I do swap wheels often and have 5 sets for my 2 
disc brake bikes and many for both 700c, 650b, and 26” Rivish bikes. Light 
wheels have the thinnest tires and wide have fatter tires. Like Bill, this also 
means buying a frame is easy because I already have wheels and other parts 
ready to build. Some of my best days are when I have a few hours to swap wheels 
and ride 5 different bikes with different setups. I do enjoy wrenching a lot 
though. Once I have a frame/wheel/tire combo dialed in, I swap bars or the 
season changes and I can start over. Have too many bikes means I almost always 
have some to ride and wrench to keep me happy. 
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

When I converted my Sam to single speed, I left the rear derailler and rear 
shifter on the bike and kept the cassette wheel and chain - to be able to 
switch back and forth.
That must have been 3 years ago and I haven't switched once.

Anyone want a decent used wheelset cheap? 

Jay 

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 6:44:00 AM UTC+3, tc wrote:
>
> I was reading this great article 
> on
>  
> "Chasing Mailboxes" about Kevin Turinsky and his Atlantis.  He mentioned 
> he kept 3 sets of wheels for it to exploit the frame's versatility.
>
> That got me to thinking, how many people actually do that?  It seems like 
> such a great idea for the right frame/fork ... and the Atlantis seems to be 
> that bike for a lot of people.  I think the Hunq, or Ogre, or Cross-Check, 
> or Fargo, or Monster Cross might be that frame for some.
>
> The $$ savings would be great.
>
> If you don't race, if you don't do jumps, or figure yourself a weight 
> weenie, what the heck -- why not?
>
> I guess it might be a hassle to go back and forth between a SS and a 
> multi-speed setup on the same frame, so there's that...esp. if you found 
> you liked to do both regularly.
>
> I guess for most of us, we can't get away from "n+1", so there's that.
>
> Anyway, just pondering. 
>
> Good night, all...
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mt Tam Hunqs

[Joe Bernard]

Jenny, I love that you know that Elvis song!

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