Re: [RBW] Ram in the Dirt

[Patrick Moore]

[Patrick, open the link first ...]

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:46 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...
>
> And finally: photo of the fat-tired Ram? (Apology if you have already
> posted one and I missed it.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Ram in the Dirt

[Patrick Moore]

I'm curious about the max tire size for a blue Ram. I did use the so-called
35 mm Kojaks on mine for a while, though I think they measured more like 32
on the Open Pros, but they did leave ample room for fenders.

Can you squeeze in anything bigger than a true 35?

Didn't you just sell a pair of new, Bon Jon Pass 35s?

And finally: photo of the fat-tired Ram? (Apology if you have already
posted one and I missed it.)

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Matt  wrote:

> In 2003 the only bike I owned was a mid-70s 3-speed Raleigh Sport that I
> rode to work every day and locked up on the street. Somehow I got my hands
> on a Reader, Grant's philosophy resonated with me and next thing I knew I
> had a blue Ram. I didn't know the first thing about tire sizes and riding
> styles but I knew the Ram was comfortable and it could take fenders and I
> was only ever going to ride on pavement on the east coast, so I put 28s on
> it and never looked back. Many, many years later and now I'm on the west
> coast and I know a lot more about bikes and I also know about fire roads.
> So I finally hung the fenders up and maxed out the tires and wouldn't you
> know it, but Los Angeles has miles and miles of dirt roads (doesn't hurt
> that LA covers a massive area). Took a ride a few weeks back that looks
> downright country but happened to be in the second largest city in the US.
>
> I still have that Raleigh, btw, and it's still perfect for leaving outside.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/QPUjLMgJOP8jEhx22
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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Lum Gim Fong]

My thoughts are:

1. Might miss out on a big score though, if people can’t drop in to sell their 
Bomba or whatever. I scored my blue Ram in 2016 from a drop-in person who 
turned out to be local to me and probably the most pleasant person I’ve ever 
done an online transaction with. 

2. Might miss out on a big sell if people can’t drop in for WTB: 53 Bleriot or 
whatever. That is how I got here. Looking to buy my first RBW. Referred by a 
possible non-rivster from BikeForums. Been here for ~6 years now. Abandoned 
BikeForums cuz just so pleasant here.

3. Plenty of vets here have benefitted greatly by selling and buying (and 
frequently) here.

4. I think this place is more in danger of fizzling out by not having for sale 
threads. Nonsale conversations seem to be  held by a limited number of people 
here. New long time contributors might wind up being added to the group from 
initial buying and selling threads, as in my case.

On the other hand that statement might make you do away with buying and selling 
threads all together in a hurry!!  ha ha Ha

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, it'll get there soon I'm sure. We had this in the old days of the Reader 
(when you were 7), the distribution around the country was pretty random. 

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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Re: [RBW] FS: NIB Luna Cycle BBS02 mid-drive kit with 48v battery $600

[Dan McNamara]

Hey! That's my job!

😉

> On May 16, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> SOLD! To me, of course ;-)
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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Chris Murray- you live in God’s Country?! That’s my home state! I live in exile 
now here in Vegas and my catalog has not arrived. Odd, since we are 
California’s neighbor. All we had to do was have participated in Hail Mary, 
right? 

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[RBW] FS: NIB Luna Cycle BBS02 mid-drive kit with 48v battery $600

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD! To me, of course ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Joe Bernard]

I think separate groups would end up with all of them having very little 
traffic. I like all the FS/WTB/trade posts, it just bugs me when we get spammed 
by people who've never contributed to a conversation. Which doesn't really 
happen all that often. 

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[RBW] Ram in the Dirt

[Matt]

In 2003 the only bike I owned was a mid-70s 3-speed Raleigh Sport that I 
rode to work every day and locked up on the street. Somehow I got my hands 
on a Reader, Grant's philosophy resonated with me and next thing I knew I 
had a blue Ram. I didn't know the first thing about tire sizes and riding 
styles but I knew the Ram was comfortable and it could take fenders and I 
was only ever going to ride on pavement on the east coast, so I put 28s on 
it and never looked back. Many, many years later and now I'm on the west 
coast and I know a lot more about bikes and I also know about fire roads. 
So I finally hung the fenders up and maxed out the tires and wouldn't you 
know it, but Los Angeles has miles and miles of dirt roads (doesn't hurt 
that LA covers a massive area). Took a ride a few weeks back that looks 
downright country but happened to be in the second largest city in the US.

I still have that Raleigh, btw, and it's still perfect for leaving outside.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/QPUjLMgJOP8jEhx22

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[RBW] WTB Shimano STI 2x9 Shifter

[Paul G]

I have some 2008 Sora 2x9 STI levers that I'd be happy to part with. Better on 
a bike than in a drawer. They are in excellent condition.

What kind of bar end shifters do you have? 

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[RBW] WTB Shimano STI 2x9 Shifter

[Jonathan D.]

Thanks for the tip. I’ll keep these in mind. Everything I have is 9 speed so I 
like the compatability of staying with 9. 

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[RBW] WTB Shimano STI 2x9 Shifter

[nathaniel nichols]

Checkout the new Sora r3000 integrated levers, they are 2x9 and look very very 
spiffy, have hidden cable routing,all black, etc. i kinda regret going 11spd on 
a new build because I found these later on..

This is a site in Spain but they are only $130 for the levers

https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/shimano-sti-sora-dual-control-lever-str-3000/136145507/p

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[RBW] Re: New Bar(s) Availability?

[Jonathan D.]

I am looking forward to the first ride reports. Debating whether I should 
change from the Albatross. 

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Justin, Oakland]

I wonder if a general “RBW/iBOB Trading Post” group would be worthwhile. 
Separate list. Separate email settings. Separate moderators. Then Jim could 
lock this down to only discussion. 

-J

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[RBW] WTB Shimano STI 2x9 Shifter

[Jonathan D.]

I know this isn’t the most Rivendellian (word?) type item but I wanted to 
switch out bar end shifters on a drop bike for STI Shifters. I would be happy 
to trade bar ends as well for or towards 2x9 shifters. It is for a go fast 
bike. Either my Rambouillet or a Monstercross. Thanks in advance. 

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Christopher Murray]

Still waiting in North Dakota.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Drw]

I tend to lurk more than post, but when i do, I try to temper FS posts with 
normal content posts as well. 

That said, I think buying and selling, whether we like it or not, is a main 
driver of visitors. I think if you limit it too much, you lose a big source of 
potential new participators. Then it’d just be the same 8 people talking to 
each other. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Single Speed/Dynamo Wheelset. Velocity Atlas, White Industries, Shimano Dynamo, Compass SBH Tires

[David B]

Let’s split it down the middle. $150 plus shipping for either wheel. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Single Speed/Dynamo Wheelset. Velocity Atlas, White Industries, Shimano Dynamo, Compass SBH Tires

[Hayden Biener]

How much for just dynamo wheel?



On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 1:10:30 PM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>
> Bumping the wheelset up...
> I'm open to splitting up the wheelset if you just need a dynamo wheel or a 
> single speed hub'd wheel.
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 12:49:09 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>>
>> The endless shuffle of parts and the elusive Redwood conundrum 
>> continues...
>> Since building up a Trek 850 with Compass Rat Trap Pass tires, I've 
>> concluded that despite different wheel sizes and handlebars, it doesn't 
>> make sense to have my Redwood setup as 650b as the Trek rides pretty close 
>> to the 650b'd Redwood setup. I've also been tempted to pick up a Roadini 
>> frame for a road build. Silly when I have a road frame already, and should 
>> probably just build my Redwood back up in that manner.
>>
>> Contact offlist if interested.
>> Paypal for payment. Regular goods and services is fine.
>> Can meet in general Chicagoland area for local transactions. I'm in very 
>> near west suburbs.
>> David
>> River Grove, IL
>>
>> So, I'll regret this in a month or so, but letting go of the following 
>> (refurbished RAID brakes might be available at some point too):
>>
>> 650b Wheelset 
>> - Single speed/dynamo
>> - Velocity Atlas polished rims
>> - 36h both wheels
>> - White Industries Eno single speed hub
>> - single sided threading for freewheel (not fixed)
>> - 135mm
>> - Shimano DH-3N72 dynamo hub
>>
>> Handbuilt by Mariposa in Toronto. Wheels have about 1000 miles on them. 
>> Very nice condition.
>>
>> $300 plus shipping.
>>
>>
>> Compass Switchback Hill Tires
>> - pair
>> - standard casing
>> - mounted and ridden on a very short test ride once everything was built 
>> up, less than a mile
>>
>> $110 plus shipping for the pair. $100 if you'd like them with the 
>> wheelset.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Clayton.sf]

got mine too! 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[steve]

In Virginia and got mine today.  Looking forward to reading it tonight

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 3:05:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Just got the mail and there it was - the promised Riv catalog!  I'm going 
> to wait until after work to savor it with a beer in hand on the back 
> patio.  Just from the cover, it looks to be of high quality.  Much as you 
> would expect.
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Quickbeam on Jersey gravel

[Deacon Patrick]

Amazing how different times of day feel so stunningly different. A common ride 
transforms in different light, or after a storm, or durring a storm! Great ride 
semi-close to you on a great steed.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco handlebar 55cm cro-mo

[scott minor]

Sold!   thanks all

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Quickbeam on Jersey gravel

[sameness]

Hey, I know that bike! Looks like it ended up where it belongs!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[dougP]

Jim:

This is definitely a topic worthy of thought.  The "transactions" tag was 
incorporated a while back but it doesn't really call attention to itself.

My thoughts:  I agree with the notion of new members needing to build a bit 
of cred & invest some time & thought before selling stuff.  I'm always a 
bit leery of someone who parachutes in with a grab bag of goodies.  I can 
see how someone with a load of junk could figure "hey here's a bunch of 
people I don't know where I can unload all this crap."  Reputable sellers 
always list something about the condition ("used but lots of life left"; 
NIB; etc.).  

As to traders & buyers, I'd be a little more lenient.  Traders typically 
have something very specific they are looking for, as are buyers.  I 
imagine lots of WTB posts are someone trying to do a build on a budget.  

Personally I really enjoy the FS/WTB/WTT posts.  As others have mentioned, 
it's like window shopping.  Many times I've had the experience of picking 
up some consumable that I may someday need.  Of course, that can be a step 
to financial ruin if left unchecked.  

I don't think it's gotten out of hand & of course winter brings on parts 
anxiety.  Hopefully with good weather we'll hear more ride reports (with 
photos!) and adventure stories.  

Doug Peterson

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 10:46:39 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> I've had a couple of people mention issues in transactions of late. Folks 
> flaking on payment. Deciding for unclear reasons not to respond, pay or 
> explain. 
>
> I do think we're better than that.
>
> But, to my mind there's a slightly larger issue - one I won't solve this 
> week, of course. To start off, I wanted to tee up the topic and see what 
> others think.
>
> "How much of the buy/sell/trade/wanted stuff do we want in this group?"
>
> I realize it's seasonal - less riding in the winter, spring cleaning, 
> bike/bit upgrading, that sort of thing. But over the last year or so, it's 
> outweighed the other topics. (Honestly, in the last couple months, that 
> seems to be correcting itself, which I think is a good thing. Signal to 
> Noise ratios are always best corrected by increasing Signal.)
>
> And I'd rather enjoy ride reports, technical help, musings on models, 
> experience and gear evaluations than wade through a bunch of buyers and 
> sellers.  But, I do understand it's helpful.
>
> One thing I see as Admin which most don't: Folks whose first post is a 
> FS/WTB and who never return again. 
> I'm not sure how to fix this other than be more strict on what gets 
> through and not pass along any moderated FS/WTB posts. That is, since folks 
> basically get unmoderated by creating posts of Quality, or by reaching out 
> to me, those people who are moderated and only posting Buy/Sell items are - 
> by one test - taking advantage of those who donate time and expertise to 
> this group. 
>
> Maybe that's a good first step. 
>
> Thoughts? 
>
> (Working on a couple projects this week, so may not be able to quickly 
> react/respond).
>
> - Jim / Admin
>

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[RBW] Re: WTTry: MKS Toe clips and leather straps

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Clayton. I’ve puzzled that through. The Touring (what I’ve been riding 
with the Hold Fast straps) is 94W x 63L while the road is 5mm wider and 2mm 
shorter. Interestingly, I seem to prefer ball of the foot over the spindle. 
Feels more natural to barefoot running that way.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: WTTry: MKS Toe clips and leather straps

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Deacon, if you have large feet, you might find the shorter platforms of the 
road pedals don't allow your foot to go deep enough into the clips, 
depending where you prefer the pedal spindle to be under your foot. 
Aluminum spacers might be needed. I wear a 10-1/2 and use large mountain 
pedals with xtra large toe clips to get deep enough. I prefer the spindle 
behind the ball of my foot a bit though...

Have fun. Be safe. 

Clayton 
DirtDance


On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 12:43:32 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Clayton, Thank you for the generious XT offer, but for the sake of the 
> pedals and our friendship I’d best pass, lest I botch ‘em! My plan is to 
> try the Sylvan Road as my next pedal. Do I need the spikey grips? They seem 
> to not do much on the Touring pedals, the ridge bar itself doing the work. 
> Side to side motion is a near non-issue, but will the smoother Road pedals 
> make it an issue? I’ll find out. I like the idea of outer support for the 
> foot, absent on the Touring. Also looking at the BM-7. 
>
> Hmmm. I wonder about threading brake cable through standard straps to 
> stiffen them up? I’ll what issues I encounter when I get the toe clips set 
> up. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Forrest Harvey]

As someone who is new (but has been a non subscribed looker :) ) I
appreciate both the FS and NON FS posts.
What is nice about the FS posts on here vs. places like craigslist/bay, is
that I trust the seller a lot more and the pricers are far more fair.  I
would much rather support someone who appreciates bikes vs. someone who
flips something for a high dollar because it says nitto.

I also enjoy reading all of the conversation threads, lots of knowledgeable
people on here and it's great to learn!

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love the for sale posts. It's like window shopping, or actual shopping.
> That said, I usually post my own for sale items on the iBOB list, unless
> it's Riv-specific, like Readers, Baggins bags, or Quickbeams (ha!).
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 10:46:39 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> I've had a couple of people mention issues in transactions of late. Folks
>> flaking on payment. Deciding for unclear reasons not to respond, pay or
>> explain.
>>
>> I do think we're better than that.
>>
>> But, to my mind there's a slightly larger issue - one I won't solve this
>> week, of course. To start off, I wanted to tee up the topic and see what
>> others think.
>>
>> "How much of the buy/sell/trade/wanted stuff do we want in this group?"
>>
>> I realize it's seasonal - less riding in the winter, spring cleaning,
>> bike/bit upgrading, that sort of thing. But over the last year or so, it's
>> outweighed the other topics. (Honestly, in the last couple months, that
>> seems to be correcting itself, which I think is a good thing. Signal to
>> Noise ratios are always best corrected by increasing Signal.)
>>
>> And I'd rather enjoy ride reports, technical help, musings on models,
>> experience and gear evaluations than wade through a bunch of buyers and
>> sellers.  But, I do understand it's helpful.
>>
>> One thing I see as Admin which most don't: Folks whose first post is a
>> FS/WTB and who never return again.
>> I'm not sure how to fix this other than be more strict on what gets
>> through and not pass along any moderated FS/WTB posts. That is, since folks
>> basically get unmoderated by creating posts of Quality, or by reaching out
>> to me, those people who are moderated and only posting Buy/Sell items are -
>> by one test - taking advantage of those who donate time and expertise to
>> this group.
>>
>> Maybe that's a good first step.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> (Working on a couple projects this week, so may not be able to quickly
>> react/respond).
>>
>> - Jim / Admin
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Philip Williamson]

I love the for sale posts. It's like window shopping, or actual shopping. 
That said, I usually post my own for sale items on the iBOB list, unless 
it's Riv-specific, like Readers, Baggins bags, or Quickbeams (ha!). 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 10:46:39 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> I've had a couple of people mention issues in transactions of late. Folks 
> flaking on payment. Deciding for unclear reasons not to respond, pay or 
> explain. 
>
> I do think we're better than that.
>
> But, to my mind there's a slightly larger issue - one I won't solve this 
> week, of course. To start off, I wanted to tee up the topic and see what 
> others think.
>
> "How much of the buy/sell/trade/wanted stuff do we want in this group?"
>
> I realize it's seasonal - less riding in the winter, spring cleaning, 
> bike/bit upgrading, that sort of thing. But over the last year or so, it's 
> outweighed the other topics. (Honestly, in the last couple months, that 
> seems to be correcting itself, which I think is a good thing. Signal to 
> Noise ratios are always best corrected by increasing Signal.)
>
> And I'd rather enjoy ride reports, technical help, musings on models, 
> experience and gear evaluations than wade through a bunch of buyers and 
> sellers.  But, I do understand it's helpful.
>
> One thing I see as Admin which most don't: Folks whose first post is a 
> FS/WTB and who never return again. 
> I'm not sure how to fix this other than be more strict on what gets 
> through and not pass along any moderated FS/WTB posts. That is, since folks 
> basically get unmoderated by creating posts of Quality, or by reaching out 
> to me, those people who are moderated and only posting Buy/Sell items are - 
> by one test - taking advantage of those who donate time and expertise to 
> this group. 
>
> Maybe that's a good first step. 
>
> Thoughts? 
>
> (Working on a couple projects this week, so may not be able to quickly 
> react/respond).
>
> - Jim / Admin
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Lum Gim Fong]

For me it is aestaetics.

I like the uniforn sizing of the clamp area and the cuff of the 25.4/26 
bars and dislike the looks of a bulge on 31.8 bars.

But really, it wouldn't matter if someone never pointed those things out to 
me. I was perfectly happy riding my 31 bars until I started looking at the 
pretty  Nitto bars.

If the bars are 31 all around though, that might make them more grip 
friendly. Chunkier bars.

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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Jonathan D.]

I really appreciate the FS posts, whether I buy something or not, but I 
definitely support limiting the ability to post FS posts to folks who 
contribute to the community. I also enjoy experimenting with variations of the 
bikes I have, like new handlebars, stem length,etc. The for sale posts allow me 
to experiment.

 On the other hand limiting the FS posts would save my wallet since i have 
purchased 3 bikes from the list over the last year.

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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Vincent Tamer]

Perhaps a subgroup for sales/buying?

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[RBW] FS: NIB Luna Cycle BBS02 mid-drive kit with 48v battery $600

[Dan McNamara]

Pardon the non-RBW content but since there has been a fair amount of e-bike
conversion discussion lately I thought I would throw this out there.


I purchased this kit to convert my wife's cargo bike (Bike Friday
Haul-a-Day) but she is not really going to be up for bike riding anytime in
the near future (unfortunately.) So instead of taking on an unneeded
project it is time to move this on.

The kit has never been installed or really out of the box. It is programmed
to 750W but is capable of delivering more power if needed/wanted.

Plenty of info available on the Luna Cycle site:
https://lunacycle.com/bafang-bbs02-750w-middrive-kit/

$600 plus shipping for the complete kit.

PM with any questions. I am in the SF Bay Area and local pickup or delivery
would be great.

Dan



*Build list:*

BBS02 Kit
Sprocket Size: 46T
Bafang C961 Display
Throttle Options: Bafang BBSxx Universal Thumb Throttle
Battery: Panasonic 48v Shark GA 13.5 ah
Charger: Standard 3amp Barrel Charger
Programming Cable: Bafang Programming Cable
Gear Sensor: GearSensor for Derailers and Internal Geared Hubs
Install Kit: Luna Wrench

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Lester Lammers]

I'm in Florida and received mine today.


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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Single Speed/Dynamo Wheelset. Velocity Atlas, White Industries, Shimano Dynamo, Compass SBH Tires

[David B]

Bumping the wheelset up...
I'm open to splitting up the wheelset if you just need a dynamo wheel or a 
single speed hub'd wheel.
Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 12:49:09 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> The endless shuffle of parts and the elusive Redwood conundrum continues...
> Since building up a Trek 850 with Compass Rat Trap Pass tires, I've 
> concluded that despite different wheel sizes and handlebars, it doesn't 
> make sense to have my Redwood setup as 650b as the Trek rides pretty close 
> to the 650b'd Redwood setup. I've also been tempted to pick up a Roadini 
> frame for a road build. Silly when I have a road frame already, and should 
> probably just build my Redwood back up in that manner.
>
> Contact offlist if interested.
> Paypal for payment. Regular goods and services is fine.
> Can meet in general Chicagoland area for local transactions. I'm in very 
> near west suburbs.
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
> So, I'll regret this in a month or so, but letting go of the following 
> (refurbished RAID brakes might be available at some point too):
>
> 650b Wheelset 
> - Single speed/dynamo
> - Velocity Atlas polished rims
> - 36h both wheels
> - White Industries Eno single speed hub
> - single sided threading for freewheel (not fixed)
> - 135mm
> - Shimano DH-3N72 dynamo hub
>
> Handbuilt by Mariposa in Toronto. Wheels have about 1000 miles on them. 
> Very nice condition.
>
> $300 plus shipping.
>
>
> Compass Switchback Hill Tires
> - pair
> - standard casing
> - mounted and ridden on a very short test ride once everything was built 
> up, less than a mile
>
> $110 plus shipping for the pair. $100 if you'd like them with the wheelset.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[LBleriot]

They're nicely done with pics and brief write ups, but the catalog is 
nothing like the Riv Reader.

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-4, d2mini wrote:
>
> Is this like the old Riv Reader? I used to LOVE that thing!
>
> I've been away for a spell but I'm just recently back and building up a 
> brand new Sam.
> How can I get one of these???
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> Just got the mail and there it was - the promised Riv catalog!  I'm going 
>> to wait until after work to savor it with a beer in hand on the back 
>> patio.  Just from the cover, it looks to be of high quality.  Much as you 
>> would expect.
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTTry: MKS Toe clips and leather straps

[Deacon Patrick]

Clayton, Thank you for the generious XT offer, but for the sake of the pedals 
and our friendship I’d best pass, lest I botch ‘em! My plan is to try the 
Sylvan Road as my next pedal. Do I need the spikey grips? They seem to not do 
much on the Touring pedals, the ridge bar itself doing the work. Side to side 
motion is a near non-issue, but will the smoother Road pedals make it an issue? 
I’ll find out. I like the idea of outer support for the foot, absent on the 
Touring. Also looking at the BM-7.

Hmmm. I wonder about threading brake cable through standard straps to stiffen 
them up? I’ll what issues I encounter when I get the toe clips set up.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] FS: 57cm Red Rodeo Complete bike $2400

[Dan McNamara]

Hi Joe,

The TT on the 57 Roadeo is 56.5.

I just realized that auto-spellcheck had struck may email subject. Awesome!
Roadeo not Rodeo.

Dan




On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hey Dan, what is the TT measurement? Gorgeous bike!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA.
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[RBW] Sprung Spring

[Deacon Patrick]

In which aspens unfurl their leaves overnight, hawks are hawkish and without 
skill I photograph one, and flowers are in focus, some of them, the one who 
made it here.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/sprung-spring

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco handlebar 55cm cro-mo

[CMR]

I'll take it! 
-Chris
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] 26.0 vs 31.8

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Drw,
26.0 bars are not likely going anywhere anytime soon.  If you have even the 
slightest desire to potentially use any newer 31.8 bars, however, then you’d 
likely be better off choosing the 31.8 and shimming it for 26.0 so you at least 
have that option.  Although a bit of a stretch financially I went for a 26.0 
zero mm reach version from the first batch after seriously daydreaming of the 
exact same kind of design just weeks before they announced the new stem.  I 
viewed it as getting a custom stem without going to the trouble of ordering a 
custom.  I also debated the 26.0. vs 31.8 for a bit but ultimately went 26.0 
since I already have 26.0 Crust bars to pair with the stem and they were the 
whole reason I wanted one in the first place.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Re: New Bar(s) Availability?

[Diego J. Garza]

Seems available now! 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars/products/z-handlebar-nitto-billie-bar-580-x-25-4-rbw-31




On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 7:10:03 AM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>
> Anyone know when the Billie and Wavie bar will be available for purchase?
> I love my Albatross bars, but the other day I was thinking something 
> slightly wider would be perfect for my Clem. 
> Thinking I'll pick up a Billie and a Wavie at the same time - trying 
> Noodles on my Black Mountain, but think I might have two cockpits to swap 
> in/out and the Wavie would be nice for that.
> I know I could contact Riv, but figured I wouldn't bug them if someone 
> else here already knows.
> David
> Patiently waiting in River Grove, IL
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[RBW] Re: New Bar(s) Availability?

[David B]

Quick response from Spencer:
"Hoping the Wavie will be in stock next month but it’s possible that it 
will be delayed."
Good info to know - I read the new catalog yesterday and wanted both bars 
to try out. I'll order the Billie now.
David

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Point taken. Email to Riv sent. 
> David
>
> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I don’t understand why you think it would bother Riv if you asked them. 
>> You are a sincere customer eager to put ~$200 in their register. They’d be 
>> delighted to talk with you and they definitely have the information you 
>> seek. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>
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[RBW] Re: New Bar(s) Availability?

[David B]

Point taken. Email to Riv sent. 
David

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> I don’t understand why you think it would bother Riv if you asked them. 
> You are a sincere customer eager to put ~$200 in their register. They’d be 
> delighted to talk with you and they definitely have the information you 
> seek. 
>
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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Edwin W]

Jim,

You are very good at you job. Thanks!

I like your idea of not being able to post a FS until x months after your first 
post. Probably would not have to be too long to weed out people who find the 
list, sign up, and post a FS right away. 

Edwin

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[RBW] FS: Bosco handlebar 55cm cro-mo

[scott minor]

In great shape.   $45 shipped 

thanks!  -scott in TN 

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Wally Estrella]

Got mine yesterday as well.  Here in Maine, ayuh!


On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-4, Daniel MacPherson wrote:
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> Got mine yesterday. I’m in FloridaMaybe the east coast get priority.😉

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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Deacon Patrick]

Jim, great questions!

My take is we are an amazing “economy of community” by which I mean we share 
the journey of riding and all that entails and that semi-relates to it in a 
Rivendelian way. What is “economy of community”? The idea that people give 
freely of their abundance and ask for help where there is need. It may be 
advice, experience, parts, bikes, etc. Obviously, people have to participate in 
the community for that to work, and for others to have a good idea of what 
needs and expertice are.

Sellers: If I don’t recognize a seller, I check their “history” to see if they 
have participated and I simply don’t remember. Time and our quality of 
interaction tends to weed out folks here just to sell.

Ride Reports: I’d love to see more! I love hearing about other’s trips and 
(mis)adventures (synonyms in my case!). Personality shines through here and 
they are a great way to experience community. Saying that, I sometimes hold off 
on posting ride reports because I don’t want to innundate folks, or combine 
multiple into one. And they naturally come in waves. I’ve not posted a ride 
report in a bit, not because I’ve not ridden, but because I’ve focused on other 
things while riding.

Expertice: I have benifited stunningly from the advice on this group. You’ve 
all seen my meandoneering journey to fixed gear and my current puzzling on 
minimalist-friendly cycling footwear and pedal retention. The combined 
expereince of this group has made that journey far more doable than if I were 
isolated with only my “Specialized” rep, er, LBS to connect with. My riding is 
a niche in a niche in a niche in an alcove in a nook in a recess in a niche. 
Where else could I turn to puzzle out shoe stiffening so I can ride toe clips 
with fixed gear mountain trail bikepacking? Grin.

Bottom line: Folks whose first post is a sell, moderation makes sense. Invite 
them (via cut and paste?) to participate in the economy of community before 
they sell. I love the presumption of goodness folks here have, and never ever 
want to take advantage of it (and if I have, please, please let me know!) and 
never ever want to see it harden to anything less.

Your hidden labors, Jim, are a huge part of what make this group what it is. 
You are an amazing gift in this amazing gift of a group! 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Clayton.sf]

I think there might be an opportunity to change a negative into a positive 
too. On other forums I frequent there is a honor system where users 
"donate" a certain amount when an item sells. Can be fixed amount or %. 
This tends to weed out less serious sellers and the funds can go towards 
maintenance/mods, bbq, or charitable causes. Another option would be to 
section off BST to avoid it cluttering up content. Just some thoughts.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:06:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> There's a fellow on iBob who posted a long FS list with "I'm relatively 
> new to the group." New as in that's his only post. It's annoying and I 
> think people who start here (and there) with stuff to sell should not be 
> passed through moderation. Talk about bikes for a while, then we can see 
> what you're selling, kids. 

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Re: [RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Patrick Moore]

*not pass along any moderated FS/WTB posts.* I take it you mean
*non-moderated*?

1. I personally like to read posts aboutt Rivendell-ish items for sale,
even if I don't want to buy.

2. I agree that these should be limited to "regular" contributors, even if
only to preserve the levels of trust we expect from this list.

3. I personally would not let FS/WTB posts go through for those who haven't
been list participators for a while -- I leave it to others to define
"while." This would prevent the hassle of having to moderate each FS/WTB
post.

4. Define "while."

5. Thanks again for moderating this very interesting list.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Cyclofiend Jim 
wrote:

> I've had a couple of people mention issues in transactions of late. Folks
> flaking on payment. Deciding for unclear reasons not to respond, pay or
> explain.
>
> I do think we're better than that.
>
> But, to my mind there's a slightly larger issue - one I won't solve this
> week, of course. To start off, I wanted to tee up the topic and see what
> others think.
>
> "How much of the buy/sell/trade/wanted stuff do we want in this group?"
>
> I realize it's seasonal - less riding in the winter, spring cleaning,
> bike/bit upgrading, that sort of thing. But over the last year or so, it's
> outweighed the other topics. (Honestly, in the last couple months, that
> seems to be correcting itself, which I think is a good thing. Signal to
> Noise ratios are always best corrected by increasing Signal.)
>
> And I'd rather enjoy ride reports, technical help, musings on models,
> experience and gear evaluations than wade through a bunch of buyers and
> sellers.  But, I do understand it's helpful.
>
> One thing I see as Admin which most don't: Folks whose first post is a
> FS/WTB and who never return again.
> I'm not sure how to fix this other than be more strict on what gets
> through and not pass along any moderated FS/WTB posts. That is, since folks
> basically get unmoderated by creating posts of Quality, or by reaching out
> to me, those people who are moderated and only posting Buy/Sell items are -
> by one test - taking advantage of those who donate time and expertise to
> this group.
>
> Maybe that's a good first step.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> (Working on a couple projects this week, so may not be able to quickly
> react/respond).
>
> - Jim / Admin
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[RBW] Green Guru Backpack 24L

[Dave Grossman]

Not using this as an actual commuter bag anymore as my spine dislikes static 
flexion and backpacks. I bought it last year and used it mostly as a work bag 
without the bike. 

It's super durable, MUSA (Colorado), made from nylon and recycled tubes.

https://www.greengurugear.com/products/commuter-24l-backpack


Asking $50 shipped CONUS

PM off list for pics.

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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Joe Bernard]

There's a fellow on iBob who posted a long FS list with "I'm relatively new to 
the group." New as in that's his only post. It's annoying and I think people 
who start here (and there) with stuff to sell should not be passed through 
moderation. Talk about bikes for a while, then we can see what you're selling, 
kids. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[islaysteve]

Add my congratulations to Grant and the Riv staff for a very nice catalog!  
Love the illustrations and of course it conveys the Rivendell philosophy 
and lots of information.  I sincerely hope that it generates lots of 
sales.  I got mine here in Maryland several days ago.  Cheers, Steve

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:33:00 AM UTC-4, Curtis wrote:
>
> Got mine in San Diego a few days ago.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 6:12 AM, Daniel MacPherson  > wrote:
>
>> Got mine yesterday. I’m in FloridaMaybe the east coast get priority.😉
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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I've had a couple of people mention issues in transactions of late. Folks 
flaking on payment. Deciding for unclear reasons not to respond, pay or 
explain. 

I do think we're better than that.

But, to my mind there's a slightly larger issue - one I won't solve this 
week, of course. To start off, I wanted to tee up the topic and see what 
others think.

"How much of the buy/sell/trade/wanted stuff do we want in this group?"

I realize it's seasonal - less riding in the winter, spring cleaning, 
bike/bit upgrading, that sort of thing. But over the last year or so, it's 
outweighed the other topics. (Honestly, in the last couple months, that 
seems to be correcting itself, which I think is a good thing. Signal to 
Noise ratios are always best corrected by increasing Signal.)

And I'd rather enjoy ride reports, technical help, musings on models, 
experience and gear evaluations than wade through a bunch of buyers and 
sellers.  But, I do understand it's helpful.

One thing I see as Admin which most don't: Folks whose first post is a 
FS/WTB and who never return again. 
I'm not sure how to fix this other than be more strict on what gets through 
and not pass along any moderated FS/WTB posts. That is, since folks 
basically get unmoderated by creating posts of Quality, or by reaching out 
to me, those people who are moderated and only posting Buy/Sell items are - 
by one test - taking advantage of those who donate time and expertise to 
this group. 

Maybe that's a good first step. 

Thoughts? 

(Working on a couple projects this week, so may not be able to quickly 
react/respond).

- Jim / Admin

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[RBW] Re: Happy Fantastic Rivendell Perfecto Shopping Experience!

[PG]

Agree with above posters...the Riv shopping experience is quite intuitive 
and easy to navigate. 

As for inventory issues, I think anyone who goes to Rivendell for their 
cycling needs understands that there are real world, money flow issues that 
a company the size of Riv has to grapple with. If all the bumps were 
removed, so would the humanity.

We are happy -- thrilled even -- that they even exist, let alone at such a 
professional level!

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[ctbiker]

>Are you taking a phone? If so, how will you charge it?

On my ACA Banff-Whitefish tour, we all charged our phones in the campground 
bathroom the first night. When we checked in the morning, ONE phone had 
been stolen, the leader's! It was the cheapest flip phone you could get but 
he had to go "without" for the entire trip (other than the SAT phone he 
carried) If you carry a power bank for charging, you should have no 
problems. There'll be opportunities to charge that battery.

Your trip will be tough but extremely rewarding -- enjoy!
Ray
Connecticut

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

BC, yes, I will bring a tent.  In that photo it is packed in the panniers and I 
think that is how I’ll travel with it.  I will also bring a phone and probably 
at least two backup batteries and hope to be able to charge here and there.  
I’m figuring I’ll have it in airplane mode to conserve power.

Bill

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[RBW] New Bar(s) Availability?

[Bill Lindsay]

I don’t understand why you think it would bother Riv if you asked them. You are 
a sincere customer eager to put ~$200 in their register. They’d be delighted to 
talk with you and they definitely have the information you seek. 

BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Drw]

honestly, 65% of this has to do with the fact that it is a removable 
faceplate quill stem that looks good. I tend to swap bars, and being able 
to keep bars wrapped and fully set up, would be a huge plus.  Yes, i know 
there are other stems that have a removable faceplate, but they are either 
not tall enough, or super ugly. As far as the 30mm extension, i'd like to 
try it. i like their copy and agree with Bob K's take that they think this 
is one option, not the only. 

That being said, the fact that i could buy 3 or 4 dirt drop stems for the 
price of one is a little hard to swallow. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Philip Williamson]

I thought they made a case for buying a bigger frame to get a longer front 
center, and then using their stem to bring the bars back. I don't know how 
many people want to stand over a frame with a 3" longer top tube than 
"fits" them, though. I'm looking at longer slacker bikes for mountain 
biking, and am thinking about running drops with negative-extension stems. 
Sounds insane, but since I never ride on the tops, I can't articulate the 
problem with that plan.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't disagree; I haven't followed the thread closely, but I gather that 
> the Analog stem is part of a system, and not meant to be a universal 
> improvement -- it's meant to be used with certain kinds of frames for 
> certain kinds of riding. They may well be right; if I were for example to 
> convert another "NORBA"-style frameset to longish-reach drops, I might well 
> be interested in trying one of these stems.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Bob Keal > 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting take, Patrick. I agree wholeheartedly that "...stems with 
>> extensions used with drop bars, and bikes built to use them both, have been 
>> around too long to be mere mistakes in design." At the same time, it seems 
>> to me that Analog isn't saying bike design is wrong or that people have 
>> been making mistakes all this time. I do think that they're saying that the 
>> (W)right Stem is another way to find comfort on a bicycle, and that in 
>> their experience it doesn't affect a bike's handling in a negative way. 
>> Therefore, the result is a net positive for folks looking to use drop bars 
>> on bikes that would otherwise be generally swept-back bar or upright riders 
>> based on geometry.
>>
>> One point I've seen them state somewhere is that modern MTBs use very, 
>> very short stems. Of course, this is based off of fundamental shifts in 
>> overall geometry that are aiming for a certain type of handling, but the 
>> point remains: modern MTB designers aren't (necessarily) saying that NORBA 
>> bikes were *wrong*. Really, current mountain bike designers are saying, 
>> "Maybe we learned something from what we came up with so far, and hey, 
>> maybe there's another way to do this that will work better for x or y 
>> reasons." And in my view Analog is saying something similar through the 
>> design and creation of their stems.
>>
>> In other words, it seems like Analog is saying here's another option 
>> rather than saying it's the only one.
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: FS: Velocity Synergy Front Wheel (Rich Lesnik Built)

[Irving]

Let's get this out of my apartment.

$60 local pickup, $80 shipped.

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:31:37 PM UTC-7, Irving wrote:
>
> This post 
>  reminded 
> me to get this spare wheel outta my apartment!
>
> Velocity Synergy front wheel, laced up by Rich Lesnik, so u know it's 
> good. 700c, 36h spoke, 100mm spacing, Shimano Deore LX hub. Velox rim rape 
> and skewer. Used sparingly by me because I'm all about the dynamo life and 
> previous owner 
>
> Local pickup for $75 (SF), $95 shipped
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/32ZfDte0vFuiklMf2
>
> Irving
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Curtis McKenzie]

Got mine in San Diego a few days ago.

Curtis

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 6:12 AM, Daniel MacPherson 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Patrick Moore]

I don't disagree; I haven't followed the thread closely, but I gather that
the Analog stem is part of a system, and not meant to be a universal
improvement -- it's meant to be used with certain kinds of frames for
certain kinds of riding. They may well be right; if I were for example to
convert another "NORBA"-style frameset to longish-reach drops, I might well
be interested in trying one of these stems.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Bob Keal  wrote:

> Interesting take, Patrick. I agree wholeheartedly that "...stems with
> extensions used with drop bars, and bikes built to use them both, have been
> around too long to be mere mistakes in design." At the same time, it seems
> to me that Analog isn't saying bike design is wrong or that people have
> been making mistakes all this time. I do think that they're saying that the
> (W)right Stem is another way to find comfort on a bicycle, and that in
> their experience it doesn't affect a bike's handling in a negative way.
> Therefore, the result is a net positive for folks looking to use drop bars
> on bikes that would otherwise be generally swept-back bar or upright riders
> based on geometry.
>
> One point I've seen them state somewhere is that modern MTBs use very,
> very short stems. Of course, this is based off of fundamental shifts in
> overall geometry that are aiming for a certain type of handling, but the
> point remains: modern MTB designers aren't (necessarily) saying that NORBA
> bikes were *wrong*. Really, current mountain bike designers are saying,
> "Maybe we learned something from what we came up with so far, and hey,
> maybe there's another way to do this that will work better for x or y
> reasons." And in my view Analog is saying something similar through the
> design and creation of their stems.
>
> In other words, it seems like Analog is saying here's another option
> rather than saying it's the only one.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] Saddle Sack Med and Leg Strike

[Vincent Tamer]

Yes it looks like they are being discontinued (atleast blue and grey). 

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Daniel MacPherson]

Got mine yesterday. I’m in FloridaMaybe the east coast get priority.😉

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Joe Bernard]

Apologies for not being able to send you my extra, I left it on the table at 
the post office so someone else could discover Rivendell. 

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Joe Bernard]

I got one in an order last week, then the catalogue I pre-ordered showed up a 
few days later. I presume they're stuffing them in all orders now, so go buy 
something!

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Lester Lammers]

I ordered one because it was necessary for me use drops on a 53 MIT 
Atlantis. I don't think 26.0 bars are going anywhere. 

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 5:30:41 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> I'm considering getting one of the analog stems for my atlantis. they are 
> pretty pricey, so i'm hemming and hawing about the size because i dont want 
> to have to buy another stem anytime soon. all the bars ive ever used have 
> been 25.4 or 26. Are there reasons for going 31.8? will 26.0 bars be 
> obsolete soon? 
>

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[d2mini]

Is this like the old Riv Reader? I used to LOVE that thing!

I've been away for a spell but I'm just recently back and building up a 
brand new Sam.
How can I get one of these???



On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Just got the mail and there it was - the promised Riv catalog!  I'm going 
> to wait until after work to savor it with a beer in hand on the back 
> patio.  Just from the cover, it looks to be of high quality.  Much as you 
> would expect.
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Bob Keal]

Interesting take, Patrick. I agree wholeheartedly that "...stems with
extensions used with drop bars, and bikes built to use them both, have been
around too long to be mere mistakes in design." At the same time, it seems
to me that Analog isn't saying bike design is wrong or that people have
been making mistakes all this time. I do think that they're saying that the
(W)right Stem is another way to find comfort on a bicycle, and that in
their experience it doesn't affect a bike's handling in a negative way.
Therefore, the result is a net positive for folks looking to use drop bars
on bikes that would otherwise be generally swept-back bar or upright riders
based on geometry.

One point I've seen them state somewhere is that modern MTBs use very, very
short stems. Of course, this is based off of fundamental shifts in overall
geometry that are aiming for a certain type of handling, but the point
remains: modern MTB designers aren't (necessarily) saying that NORBA bikes
were *wrong*. Really, current mountain bike designers are saying, "Maybe we
learned something from what we came up with so far, and hey, maybe there's
another way to do this that will work better for x or y reasons." And in my
view Analog is saying something similar through the design and creation of
their stems.

In other words, it seems like Analog is saying here's another option rather
than saying it's the only one.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: New Bar(s) Availability?

[David B]

Ha! I swear I checked Riv's site yesterday, must've missed the update on 
the Billie.
Question then still stands for the Wavie.

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Anyone know when the Billie and Wavie bar will be available for purchase?
> I love my Albatross bars, but the other day I was thinking something 
> slightly wider would be perfect for my Clem. 
> Thinking I'll pick up a Billie and a Wavie at the same time - trying 
> Noodles on my Black Mountain, but think I might have two cockpits to swap 
> in/out and the Wavie would be nice for that.
> I know I could contact Riv, but figured I wouldn't bug them if someone 
> else here already knows.
> David
> Patiently waiting in River Grove, IL
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[RBW] New Bar(s) Availability?

[David B]

Anyone know when the Billie and Wavie bar will be available for purchase?
I love my Albatross bars, but the other day I was thinking something 
slightly wider would be perfect for my Clem. 
Thinking I'll pick up a Billie and a Wavie at the same time - trying 
Noodles on my Black Mountain, but think I might have two cockpits to swap 
in/out and the Wavie would be nice for that.
I know I could contact Riv, but figured I wouldn't bug them if someone else 
here already knows.
David
Patiently waiting in River Grove, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[d2mini]

They have some interesting points about steering/handling and toe overlap 
with a wheel that was farther out front and slacker angles, but that won't 
change just by changing your stem. The bike would have to be designed with 
this in mind.
By using their stem you'd get a more upright riding position due to the 
shorter reach and you may experience better some better steering, but not 
to the extent of their wright brothers mumbo jumbo, and toe overlap would 
remain unchanged. But interesting thoughts nonetheless.


On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 8:39:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I have to agree. I don't discount the Analog idea entirely -- it may well 
> work for some bikes in some applications for some riders -- but stems with 
> extensions used with drop bars, and bikes built to use them both, have been 
> around too long to be mere mistakes in design. 
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   If anything is going away, it's Analog's idea of long stems going away. 
>> 😀
>>
>> I would ask myself if I was really buying the right(yes pun) stem for the 
>> bike and me, or I was buying a someone else's "theory" about what I 
>> "should" be riding. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree. I don't discount the Analog idea entirely -- it may well
work for some bikes in some applications for some riders -- but stems with
extensions used with drop bars, and bikes built to use them both, have been
around too long to be mere mistakes in design.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Garth  wrote:

>
>
>   If anything is going away, it's Analog's idea of long stems going away.
> 😀
>
> I would ask myself if I was really buying the right(yes pun) stem for the
> bike and me, or I was buying a someone else's "theory" about what I
> "should" be riding.
>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle Sack Med and Leg Strike

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, I'm almost certain the rubbing factor was once included in the 
description; if not, Grant wrote about it somewhere in relation to the 
saddle sacks. I went looking for the medium write-up on the website but 
they are not listed at the moment for some reason.

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 11:28:21 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've used saddlebags since Rivendell started selling them circa 1994, and 
> almost all of mine have lightly bumped my legs. I simply ignored the 
> sensation, and after a few miles I didn't even notice it. Carradices, 
> Cartwrights, Sackvilles, clones of various makes -- I much prefer that 
> slight contact than having to install a rack.
>
> But the Carradice SQR ("seapost quick release") mounting system seems to 
> keep Campers and Nelson LFs off your thighs.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Vincent Tamer  > wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>>
>> I notice the back of my quadracep hits the back of the Medium Saddlesack 
>> when riding. Any solutions to this, aside from longer straps to make it sit 
>> farther back?
>>
>> If I removed the rack it sits on I wouldn't be able to sit it farther 
>> back, so it seems I can't use it without the rack and not have it hit my 
>> legs when I pedal.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's the thing about the old, pre-Fedex, Internet, Amazon Prime drone 
delivery days--ANTICIPATION!  It's Old Skool! 
Send 4 box tops and Allow 4-6 weeks for Delivery of your Secret Decoder Ring

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 12:42:01 AM UTC-4, Richard Rios wrote:
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> I'm SoCal eagerly awaiting mine as well...

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Garth]

  If anything is going away, it's Analog's idea of long stems going away. 😀

I would ask myself if I was really buying the right(yes pun) stem for the bike 
and me, or I was buying a someone else's "theory" about what I "should" be 
riding. 



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