[RBW] 53 cm LWB Atlantis test ride
Last Thursday I carved out some time to visit RBWHQ & test ride the new Atlantis. Note I'm calling it "LWB" for long wheelbase, as was done in the days of custom coachwork cars. Anything designated LWB was the more luxurious, cushier riding version of its base. If this annoys anyone, then enjoy your annoyment. Where the bike was made is irrelevant to its quality. The executive summary is the bike rides fantastically. It really is noticeably more supple and cushy than its predecessor. If you're on the fence about whether the "new & improved" version is worth getting excited about, proceed to get excited. At the price point, it's the deal of the year. If all you were looking for was thumbs-up-or-thumbs-down, read no further. It's truly everything the Atlantis has always been with subtle improvements and nothing has been compromised or limited. On the other hand, a reasonable skeptic might think that's a pretty vague endorsement & why should anyone care? Fair enough. Here's the full story. A good friend has been fence sitting about an Atlantis for waaayy too long. He really wants a brand new, Rivendell built bike but the price of the previous version has been a hindrance. He got so excited by the announcement of the new one he's very close to just doing it. Since I was headed north anyway, I offered to stop by & test one (tough duty but I'm up for it), and report back. I bought a 58 cm Atlantis in '03 & it has seen quite a few touring miles plus the usual assortment of fire trails, dirt roads, rocks, crappy weather, etc., for which I bought it. I've worn out plenty of stuff but nothing has ever broken as in snap-in-two failed. Tough bike with a tough build. It's the bike I ride 98% of the time, so I feel qualified to comment on changes. Rolling in to Walnut Creek at the crack of noon, I was impressed by the fleet of demo bikes. The LWB Atlantis in I think every size offered. Plenty of Clems, couple of Hunqs, etc. My intention was to check out the 53 for my friend by doing a quick ride on the local bike trail from the map that Rivendell provides. One thing lead to another & a knowledgeable guide volunteered to lead me on a more interesting route involving some fire road, single track, etc., to give the bike a thorough shaking out. The original 45 minute ride was obviously going to be extended. Rivendell is in an industrial building with serious speed bumps in the ally ways. The first thing I noticed is that the LWB absorbs those whollops to your backside quite nicely. Where I would stand up on the pedals on my own bike, the LWB seems to float over them. After standing for a couple, I gradually left more weight on the seat and never felt any jarring or sharp impact. Very handy on rough pavement in the urban environment. We then proceeded out onto the mean streets of Walnut Creek, hopping sidewalks and eventually working our way uphill thru a residential neighborhood to the trails accessing Shell Ridge. Never been there so I had no clue what was in store (pictures don't do it justice). Plenty of climbing but for most of it I was sitting & spinning in conditions where I would be standing & grunting on my own bike. Bonus: it pushes uphill just like my bike. Downhills & weaving thru the trees was a real treat. The more comfy ride gives more confidence and at no time did the rear end feel like it was losing contact. It just stays planted. Especially on single tracks with the usual rocks, roots, holes, etc., I never felt the need to get up on pedals to keep from getting knocked about. Best of all, the LWB seems to handle tight turns & 180s at least as well as my own bike. From a handling perspective, it doesn't require any adjustment or re-thinking. My off-roading skills & experience are quite limited, so pace was purposely kept low'n'slow. The bike was set-up with I believe the Billie Bars, an inboard thumbie on the left with a double ring and a trigger shifter for the rear. It had chubby knobbies & V-brakes. Contact Rivendell if interested in the specifics of gears, tires, etc. In addition to the obvious long chainstays, the new Atlantis is dripping with braze-ons so you can attach pretty much anything to it. That gap behind the seat post that got everyone so fizzed up when the first photo came out just begs for a frame bag. Could be a great place for your heavy junk you don't use very often. The new catalog talks about the Atlantis and the Appaloosa as being so similar you could choose by tossing a coin. Personally, I'd go for the Atlantis just because but the catalog is probably right. There are no wrong choices. Doug Peterson, Irvine, CA . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this
[RBW] Re: Other annoying threads
I love "what bike part is that" questions. But ride reports bore me to tears so whaddoiknow? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Banana Sax alternate mounting, matchy matchy
CT: It's a Bafang BBSHD kit from Luna Cycle in S. California. Click the link below to take a look, then click through all the info links to learn all there is to know about these contraptions. It uses throttle and pedal assist so you can still ride like a bike - I always pedal - and they're ridiculously easy to install if you're a decent bicycle wrench. And fun? Hoo boy, they're fun! https://lunacycle.com/bafang-bbshd-1000w-middrive-kit/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Other annoying threads
Rob, What handlebars are those? Darin, who is sometimes annoyed by that question, mostly when he isn't asking it On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 10:26:47 AM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote: > > Threads with no pics are annoying. > > n Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: > > Since the non-political thread seems to be so irritating to people, what > other bike related topics do you find irritating? > > > > > > For me it's old parts that provide no real benefit over new parts, but > it's supposed to be awesome. I mean sometimes the old stuff is great. I > miss shiny silver parts. > > > > > > But the next person who tells me that a 7 speed freewheel is the bees > knees, well, they can bite me. > > > > > > signed > > MOAR GEASR! > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > signature goes here > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
RM-13's in the 52cm width are pretty close to what you're describing here. They don't have the Noodle's back sweep on the flats (this would really make them my favorite bar), but do have the flat ramps. They have outward flare in the drops and a little less drop, too. Supposedly these are the bars that came on the drop-bar'd MB-1? Or at least I think I read that somewhere. Darin On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote: > > 46 noodles with some flare and maybe a little less drop is my dream bar. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Banana Sax alternate mounting, matchy matchy
Looks good tell us more about the midrive electric motor you have on this bike On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 8:47:33 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Taking a cue from Grant's plethora of front-mounted Bananas, I gave it a > whirl on my Lightning Bolt with a matching olive Saddlesack. He's right > about it loading better in the front handlebar position, it's really handy > up there. The combination with small Saddlesack makes a great rackless > fenderless summer bike which can still carry all your stuff..I highly > recommend it. Enjoy, matchy-matchers! > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/FzKB6xVLLbZrdHRdA > > Joe Bernard > Novato CA. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Way Cool Swift Campout Video
Love it! I miss my hometown. Wish I rode more while I lived in Rochester. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Way Cool Swift Campout Video
Check out this video our friend made from this weekend's campout: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ703cyQVeU&feature=youtu.be It's so cool!! Alex Wirth Yellow Haus Bicycles Rochester, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] MIT AHH - When Available?
The MIT AHH has piqued my interest. The 51 will fit fine, avoids TCO, needs no longer than a normal 116L chain. The RBW site shows a geometry chart and PBH sizing. But does not list the MIT model as separate or give a price. I'm assuming $1400. An archive search only discusses it in passing. Does anyone have any information/knowledge/gossip/spy photos to share??? Seems as mysterious as the mid engine Corvette. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Want To Read (WTR): MIT Atlantis Rose Report and Comparisons
Now I'm inspired. I had a nice 2 hr test ride on a 53 last week. Been traveling & can't write too well on phone. Home soon so will post impressions & comparison to my '03 58 Atlantis. BTW, I'm calling the new ones "LWB" as that's much more important than origin. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Riv Spotting
Yet another reason why SW is my favorite airline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
A flipped 58 Bosco on a long stem would pretty closely approximate a wide Noodle, just sayin. :) Also: I will happily buy any thing called Noodlemoose, whether it's a handlebar, Nitto heat treated aluminum gimbaled cup holder with MKS bearings, or novelty ruminant-shaped pasta for S24Os. Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Other annoying threads
Sorry, Man. Just joking around after rob's post. On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 11:51:10 AM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote: > > Pics with no explanation/context are annoying. > > Ryan Hankinson > West Michigan > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
Man, if you have to ask... Hugh On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:00 PM Joe Bernard wrote: > A Noodle-Moose would be hilarious. > > "What's that?" > > 'Noodle-Moose.' > > "Why?" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
A Noodle-Moose would be hilarious. "What's that?" 'Noodle-Moose.' "Why?" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Paul Racer Brakes
Brakes have been sold. Many thanks to those who inquired. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
Albastache moose with no forward/center/connection of the triangle so that the handles come out in 2 prongs from the stem please. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
If they were they are gone now. Both black and silver come up as out of stock when you put them in the shopping cart. Otherwise I'd buy another set. On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 2:15:50 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > Limited run of the Crust Leather Bar Towel Rack 666mm Satan thingamajig > now for sale up on the Crust Bikes site. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
I love Nitto stuff so much that I'd never want to ask them to do anything that puts them at risk, and I agree that even though the Noodle-moose would be the greatest stem/bar ever there would be no way to get the measurements correct for even a few, I bet. On to dreaming of other things. Did I mention that I'm crazy in love with my new Atlantis? Brynnar Indy On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:20 AM, ctifusion > wrote: > >> Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a >> lot of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get >> any sense that they are weak or dangerous. >> >> Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend >> this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to >> change Riv, just the opposite, >> >> THe message I deleted, that was up for a minute or two, had a sentence > with a few missing words--typo. I just filled in the fix and deleted then > funky one, is all. > > Nitto's paranoia is well-earned. Nitto has developed a small following > here and in Europe in the past eight to ten years or so, and some > importers/distributors have made available to the Western market handlebars > that were originally developed for city use in Japan. They're made with > perfectly good aluminum (they are NITTO, after all), but aren't made to the > same strength standards as the hard-core/universal market bars are. But > people see them as cool, super inexpensive, under-the-radar Nitto bars, and > they use them for gnarly stuff. A few years ago some burly Germans and one > or two Americans broke five of those bars, and the ensuing recall (and the > management of it, by a US distributor who is not us or Merry Sales) cost > NITTO about a m...and lawsuits were filed even tho nobody was > permanently super seriously hurt. > NITTO is a small company, 40 employees, average age pushing 60, and they > aren't raking it in, so this kind of stuff messes them up, and that's why > they test in-house more rigorously than industry standard tests, and that's > why they don't make wide drops. We could ask them to design a bar-stem > combo around a widey, but probably we'd be a centimeter and a degree or two > or three off for some, and perfect for nobody, and it might be > unsatisfying. Drops are mainly for road use, because for trail use you > don't want a forward braking position--on a steep descent it makes no > sense, don't even argue for it. A short stem can mitigate the weight-shift > a little, but also on a drop, your lower hand position makes it harder to > weight the rear wheel. Over the years there have been remedial stems--the > LD, the DirtDrop to name two, but they evolved with a focus on using drop > bars because the straight bars more popular had their own problems. > For me and I think most people, the Goldilox bar for trail riding is a > swept-back, come-up bar, which offers the grip positions of a drop without > the forward lunge braking position that fights you on a downhill. Visuals > and histories come in play in a big way when picking handlebars, though, > and there's no use fighting them. Plus, there's always always the pull of > the unavailable bar, or the bar that just so combines elements of two or > three existing bars but itself doesn't exist. > I rode Ultra Romance's 66wide drop bar Crust and loved it. I don't think > I'd put a bar like that on my bike, but if it were on my bike already, I > wouldn't be in a hurry to take it off, either. There's a lot of conflicting > good ways out there! > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it steel. One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their super-prudence in times like this. It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto stems intended for mtn bikes. Some will mount them on Tallux (road) stems, but we will recommend something stronger. When NITTO hears "mountain bike riding" they imagine the worst and stupidest. Personally, I don't think at all that Crust is being IMprudent with the widies. It's a good company and they do neat, good things! On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-7, ctifusio
[RBW] Re: Cutting down Grip area of Albatross bars?
Thanks everyone David & Dan! I think I plan on cutting around 2cm this helps and gives me apiece of mind that even 4cm was cut off! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
How about a MOOSE-stache! Eamon Seattle On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 11:59:20 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > I want a Noodle-moose too, Chris! > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Christopher Murray > wrote: > >> I will pre-order any noodle-moose bars!!! >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Ob4US_07qMI/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
I want a Noodle-moose too, Chris! On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Christopher Murray < chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote: > I will pre-order any noodle-moose bars!!! > > Chris > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Ob4US_07qMI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:20 AM, ctifusion wrote: > Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a lot > of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get any > sense that they are weak or dangerous. > > Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend > this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to > change Riv, just the opposite, > > THe message I deleted, that was up for a minute or two, had a sentence with a few missing words--typo. I just filled in the fix and deleted then funky one, is all. Nitto's paranoia is well-earned. Nitto has developed a small following here and in Europe in the past eight to ten years or so, and some importers/distributors have made available to the Western market handlebars that were originally developed for city use in Japan. They're made with perfectly good aluminum (they are NITTO, after all), but aren't made to the same strength standards as the hard-core/universal market bars are. But people see them as cool, super inexpensive, under-the-radar Nitto bars, and they use them for gnarly stuff. A few years ago some burly Germans and one or two Americans broke five of those bars, and the ensuing recall (and the management of it, by a US distributor who is not us or Merry Sales) cost NITTO about a m...and lawsuits were filed even tho nobody was permanently super seriously hurt. NITTO is a small company, 40 employees, average age pushing 60, and they aren't raking it in, so this kind of stuff messes them up, and that's why they test in-house more rigorously than industry standard tests, and that's why they don't make wide drops. We could ask them to design a bar-stem combo around a widey, but probably we'd be a centimeter and a degree or two or three off for some, and perfect for nobody, and it might be unsatisfying. Drops are mainly for road use, because for trail use you don't want a forward braking position--on a steep descent it makes no sense, don't even argue for it. A short stem can mitigate the weight-shift a little, but also on a drop, your lower hand position makes it harder to weight the rear wheel. Over the years there have been remedial stems--the LD, the DirtDrop to name two, but they evolved with a focus on using drop bars because the straight bars more popular had their own problems. For me and I think most people, the Goldilox bar for trail riding is a swept-back, come-up bar, which offers the grip positions of a drop without the forward lunge braking position that fights you on a downhill. Visuals and histories come in play in a big way when picking handlebars, though, and there's no use fighting them. Plus, there's always always the pull of the unavailable bar, or the bar that just so combines elements of two or three existing bars but itself doesn't exist. I rode Ultra Romance's 66wide drop bar Crust and loved it. I don't think I'd put a bar like that on my bike, but if it were on my bike already, I wouldn't be in a hurry to take it off, either. There's a lot of conflicting good ways out there! > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >>> >>> Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before >>> the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we >>> had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround >>> might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating >>> mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced >>> dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it >>> steel. >>> One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their >>> super-prudence in times like this. It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie >>> bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto stems >>> intended for mtn bikes. Some will mount them on Tallux (road) stems, but we >>> will recommend something stronger. When NITTO hears "mountain bike riding" >>> they imagine the worst and stupidest. Personally, I don't think at all that >>> Crust is being IMprudent with the widies. It's a good company and they do >>> neat, good things! >>> >>> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote: I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love them. And they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right place when they brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a wide drop bar into production. I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. Thoughts? Brynnar Indy -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Ob4US_07qMI/uns
Re: [RBW] June Flowers
Beautiful flowers, but what's that old bearded guy doing in the background? Seriously, kudos on your photography, both technical merit and choice of subject. I will perversely quote Gerald Manley Hopkins, who seems to have a lovely poem for each season. I bear a basket lined with grass; I am so light, I am so fair, That men must wonder as I pass And at the basket that I bear, Where in a newly-drawn green litter Sweet flowers I carry, -- sweets for bitter. Lilies I shew you, lilies none, None in Caesar's gardens blow, -- And a quince in hand, -- not one Is set upon your boughs below; Not set, because their buds not spring; Spring not, 'cause world is wintering. But these were found in the East and South Where Winter is the clime forgot. -- The dewdrop on the larkspur's mouth O should it then be quenchèd not? In starry water-meads they drew These drops: which be they? stars or dew? Had she a quince in hand? Yet gaze: Rather it is the sizing moon. Lo, linkèd heavens with milky ways! That was her larkspur row. -- So soon? Sphered so fast, sweet soul? -- We see Nor fruit, nor flowers, nor Dorothy. On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > In which I ride up Lovell, making it the back way to Rampart Reservoir to > avoid boat trailer traffic on the narrow cañon road and am greeted all > along the way by amazing wild flowers. > https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/june-flowers > > With abandon, > Patrick > > www.CredoFamily.org > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
I will pre-order any noodle-moose bars!!! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
Limited run of the Crust Leather Bar Towel Rack 666mm Satan thingamajig now for sale up on the Crust Bikes site. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report
Very nice looking bike. I am not convinced that the dbl TT offers much advantage but the curved tube looks cool. I do notice that the bottle cage mounting looks very low. Do you think it will require a longer reach than your comfortable with Michael On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just finished my Atlantis build and I couldn't be happier. I've been > coveting (and riding) Bridgestones and Rivendells since the 90s and, though > I had a Quickbeam and still have vintage B-stones and a bunch of vintage > bikes, my last major/modern build was based around a 60cm LHT with 26-inch > wheels and Compass RTP tires. Just couldn't justify/afford a Rivendell > build five years ago. And that's ok, the LHT has served me well and will > continue to be my rough weather/winter bike. But I've been wanting a new, > geared Rivendell for a long time. > > The sizing on the Sams was just off enough for me (I'm right between the > 58 and 62) to pass on it the couple times I got serious and I never took a > serious look at the Appaloosa. I have a collection of vintage 80s mountain > bikes that are just too close to justify getting a Clem. So when I saw the > new Atlantis I was hooked. I have always loved the color and I've been > dying to try the modern long wheelbase Rivs. > > I've built a lot of bikes with different versions of the classic riv build > so I was looking to do something different and (in my mind) modern. I > decided on a 1x11 (ended up with a 1x10), fat tires, and the super wide > Crust bars (swapped from my LHT which will go back to an upright bar). I > was worried about having to use a couple black parts to make the 1x10 set > up work but I think it looks pretty cool. I can do a full parts list if > anyone is interested. > > I will still use my LHT for the majority of my committing and winter/rain > riding. The Atlantis will be used for longer rides and hopefully adding > some more serious mileage to my routine. I've seen my pleasure riding > diminish recently, so it's time for a new bike and some new roads. > > I finished it last night and was able to get a few miles on it before dark > (and of course it's been raining all day today!). I immediately found it a > really engaging ride, especially compared to the LHT which is stable but a > bit "dead." I'm a big guy and the combination of the stout frame, long > wheelbase, and fat Compass 55cm tires makes for a stable and lively ride. I > LOVE the extended read end, especially when cornering and accelerating from > a seated position. I'll post a more detailed ride update with the rain > clears. > > I should note that it took 2 chains because of the wheelbase, other than > that everything went smoothly on the build. > > Best, > Brynnar > Indy > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Other annoying threads
Posts saying I WTB a bike without much in the way of specifics. Like "I would like to buy a used Rivendell for someone with an 83 PBH". Actually I do want to do just that so if you have one let me know. Seriously. :-) Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Other annoying threads
Pics with no explanation/context are annoying. Ryan Hankinson West Michigan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB Olive Backabike panniers
Looking for a set of good set olive Backabike panniers. Preferably the older style where it needed to be strapped thru the eyelets versus the most recent leather strap design. Hit me offline via email. CHEERS! Wally "backabagless in Maine" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Bike Rack
I'm risking being redundant here, because it seems you've gotten some good advice. If it's possible to have a receiver installed, you will find loading/unloading much easier. I've used several different types of hitch racks over the years, and IMO the best rack currently for bikes with racks/fenders/baskets/bags is the Thule Double Track Pro. I can carry my Cheviot and the wifes Rosco Mixte with ease. Good luck. Chris Wiggins A1 Cyclery On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 2:09:28 PM UTC-4, Deborah Coffin wrote: > > I’m the happy owner of a new 50cm Cheviot, and am struggling to figure out > how to safely transport it on my Mini Cooper. I have what I think is the > only bike rack that works on my car—a Saris Bones. Apparently, unless it > comes built for a hitch, Mini’s can’t be fitted with anything else. > > I’ve been mounting my bike between the top tune and behind the seat tube, > then I turn the front wheel backwards so it doesn’t stick out too much. > Right now I have no fenders or racks, but I’d like to get both, eventually, > but wonder if that will make turning the front wheel impossible. The other > issue is that the stays on the rack hit the bike at an odd angle, > scratching and/or marking up the frame. > > I tried one of the bars that connect between the seat post and stem, but > then the back wheel extends really far beyond the car. > > It’s the only sorrow I’ve had as a new owner, cause I’d like to take my > bike with me across the country this summer. I took off the rear wheel to > get it home when I bought it, but that’s sort of a pain. > > Beyond removing the wheels, or mounting it as I have been—or getting a > different car—has anyone a better idea? Suggestions? Solutions? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Riv Spotting
Saw the same photo. Look up @tinysuitcase and @pfephoto on instagram. Thinks that is theirs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Thanks! Most helpful! Glad it’s all working out so well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Measured at a point straight up from the B.B. (which is roughly around the point where I stand over the bike) I get something in the 84-5cm range which provides about 2cm before things would start to get tight. Then again, I’m running Compass 38s, which lowers the standover from what I assume was a lager expected tire size with the Riv measurements. If I were to run 48s with a massively knobby off-road tread things might get close, but I’m not planning to do that. What I did find switching from the 55 is that with much less quill height needed, the bars come back towards me about 1cm less than they did on the smaller frame (with about 6cm of quill extension). I’ve gone with a 9cm stem rather than the 10 I was thinking I’d need and all is truly delightful. Hugh “I think I have it all sorted now” Flynn Newburyport, MA On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:12 AM WETH wrote: > Hugh, > How does the standover height work? According to the geometry charts a 58 > Joe has a standover height of 87cm. I run a 75.5 seat height but my PBH is > 86-87cm. With the sloaping toptube, is the standover height a bit lower if > measured right in front of the saddle? > Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)
Hugh, How does the standover height work? According to the geometry charts a 58 Joe has a standover height of 87cm. I run a 75.5 seat height but my PBH is 86-87cm. With the sloaping toptube, is the standover height a bit lower if measured right in front of the saddle? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
OH M G NooodleMoose would be such an amazing, fantastic, and horrendous thing all at once. I want 9 of them. Hugh “Noodle Rider” Flynn Newburyport, MA On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:50 AM Virgil Staphbeard wrote: > They could be moose-style to remove the ability for people to use an > "unsafe-by-nitto-standards" stem. > > > On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 8:20:14 AM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote: >> >> Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a >> lot of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get >> any sense that they are weak or dangerous. >> >> Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend >> this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to >> change Riv, just the opposite, I think if people had a chance to try extra >> wide drop bars they would see how Riv-like the riding position is. I simply >> fell out of love with my 48 noodles after riding for a year or so on a bike >> with albatross bars (and another with the underrated surly open bar"). My >> point is that Rivendell has been instrumental in advancing smart, safe, and >> more comfortable ways to ride bikes. I rode tons of road bikes in the 90s >> and 00s with standard 42-44cm bars. In general the idea was to stretch out >> forward over the bike (long stem helped with the narrow bars). This put >> your arms into a more narrow position (and I was also taught to bring my >> elbows in). I know a lot of people that still ride this way and I'm not >> asking anyone to change, but I just like the more upright riding position >> that Rivendell has often supported. >> >> Like I said, I'm not a huge Crust guy. I just happened to see a picture >> of that magic beard guy with a prototype of the 666mm bars and reached out >> to them at the right time and got a set of the bars. It took a while to get >> used to them (and the super short stem set up), and I still think they are >> a bit too wide, but I have to say I have been really transformed by the >> ability to ride drop bars while staying more in the position one is usually >> in with a set of upright bars, and go just a little faster. This has been a >> big deal for me. This was the reason I sold my Quickbeam and bought a new >> Atlantis. I thought the Atlantis was stout enough to handle the wide bars, >> and I love the way the Atlantis rides with the wide bars and huge 55m >> Compass tires. >> >> I'll keep an eye on my stem/bar combo, but I can't imagine the 5cm >> technomic is a risk in road and gravel trail riding. So maybe we need a >> 55-58 Noodle AND a pretty 5cm cromo stem? :) >> >> Thanks! >> Brynnar >> Indy >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it steel. One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their super-prudence in times like this. It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto stems intended for mtn bikes. Some will mount them on Tallux (road) stems, but we will recommend something stronger. When NITTO hears "mountain bike riding" they imagine the worst and stupidest. Personally, I don't think at all that Crust is being IMprudent with the widies. It's a good company and they do neat, good things! On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote: > > I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love > them. And they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right > place > when they brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a > wide > drop bar into production. > > I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. > > Thoughts? > > Brynnar > Indy > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group
[RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
They could be moose-style to remove the ability for people to use an "unsafe-by-nitto-standards" stem. On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 8:20:14 AM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote: > > Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a lot > of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get any > sense that they are weak or dangerous. > > Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend > this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to > change Riv, just the opposite, I think if people had a chance to try extra > wide drop bars they would see how Riv-like the riding position is. I simply > fell out of love with my 48 noodles after riding for a year or so on a bike > with albatross bars (and another with the underrated surly open bar"). My > point is that Rivendell has been instrumental in advancing smart, safe, and > more comfortable ways to ride bikes. I rode tons of road bikes in the 90s > and 00s with standard 42-44cm bars. In general the idea was to stretch out > forward over the bike (long stem helped with the narrow bars). This put > your arms into a more narrow position (and I was also taught to bring my > elbows in). I know a lot of people that still ride this way and I'm not > asking anyone to change, but I just like the more upright riding position > that Rivendell has often supported. > > Like I said, I'm not a huge Crust guy. I just happened to see a picture of > that magic beard guy with a prototype of the 666mm bars and reached out to > them at the right time and got a set of the bars. It took a while to get > used to them (and the super short stem set up), and I still think they are > a bit too wide, but I have to say I have been really transformed by the > ability to ride drop bars while staying more in the position one is usually > in with a set of upright bars, and go just a little faster. This has been a > big deal for me. This was the reason I sold my Quickbeam and bought a new > Atlantis. I thought the Atlantis was stout enough to handle the wide bars, > and I love the way the Atlantis rides with the wide bars and huge 55m > Compass tires. > > I'll keep an eye on my stem/bar combo, but I can't imagine the 5cm > technomic is a risk in road and gravel trail riding. So maybe we need a > 55-58 Noodle AND a pretty 5cm cromo stem? :) > > Thanks! > Brynnar > Indy > > > > > > On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >>> >>> Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before >>> the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we >>> had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround >>> might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating >>> mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced >>> dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it >>> steel. >>> One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their >>> super-prudence in times like this. It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie >>> bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto stems >>> intended for mtn bikes. Some will mount them on Tallux (road) stems, but we >>> will recommend something stronger. When NITTO hears "mountain bike riding" >>> they imagine the worst and stupidest. Personally, I don't think at all that >>> Crust is being IMprudent with the widies. It's a good company and they do >>> neat, good things! >>> >>> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote: I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love them. And they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right place when they brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a wide drop bar into production. I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. Thoughts? Brynnar Indy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Extra Large Wool Shirts Lot $150
Sold Pending Payment. Thanks All! Karl Nashville, TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Extra Large Wool Shirts Lot $150
PM sent On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 5:57:49 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote: > > I shrank (Thanks EBDJ) and my wool did not. Lot of 10 long sleeved wool > tee shirts. Some lightweight and some mid-weight. All in good condition > with the exception of maybe some pealing on the REI ones (100% Wool) and > maybe a rogue dog hair or 4, but hey, this is the price of 2 shirts new, so > I think it may be worth putting up with. Tell me if I am off on the price > of used woolens. Thanks! > > Karl > Nashville, TN > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle
Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a lot of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get any sense that they are weak or dangerous. Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to change Riv, just the opposite, I think if people had a chance to try extra wide drop bars they would see how Riv-like the riding position is. I simply fell out of love with my 48 noodles after riding for a year or so on a bike with albatross bars (and another with the underrated surly open bar"). My point is that Rivendell has been instrumental in advancing smart, safe, and more comfortable ways to ride bikes. I rode tons of road bikes in the 90s and 00s with standard 42-44cm bars. In general the idea was to stretch out forward over the bike (long stem helped with the narrow bars). This put your arms into a more narrow position (and I was also taught to bring my elbows in). I know a lot of people that still ride this way and I'm not asking anyone to change, but I just like the more upright riding position that Rivendell has often supported. Like I said, I'm not a huge Crust guy. I just happened to see a picture of that magic beard guy with a prototype of the 666mm bars and reached out to them at the right time and got a set of the bars. It took a while to get used to them (and the super short stem set up), and I still think they are a bit too wide, but I have to say I have been really transformed by the ability to ride drop bars while staying more in the position one is usually in with a set of upright bars, and go just a little faster. This has been a big deal for me. This was the reason I sold my Quickbeam and bought a new Atlantis. I thought the Atlantis was stout enough to handle the wide bars, and I love the way the Atlantis rides with the wide bars and huge 55m Compass tires. I'll keep an eye on my stem/bar combo, but I can't imagine the 5cm technomic is a risk in road and gravel trail riding. So maybe we need a 55-58 Noodle AND a pretty 5cm cromo stem? :) Thanks! Brynnar Indy On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >> >> Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before >> the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we >> had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround >> might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating >> mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced >> dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it >> steel. >> One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their >> super-prudence in times like this. It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie >> bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto stems >> intended for mtn bikes. Some will mount them on Tallux (road) stems, but we >> will recommend something stronger. When NITTO hears "mountain bike riding" >> they imagine the worst and stupidest. Personally, I don't think at all that >> Crust is being IMprudent with the widies. It's a good company and they do >> neat, good things! >> >> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote: >>> >>> I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love >>> them. And they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right place >>> when they brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a wide >>> drop bar into production. >>> >>> I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Brynnar >>> Indy >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone bought a 47 or 50 MIT Atlantis?
Ed, You're welcome/ Perhaps you could compare the MIT Atlantis geo to your Hunqapillar? Another call to Riv might be a good idea too. On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:52 AM UTC-4, ed wrote: > Hi Lester, i think you are right that they seem to be recommending tha > smaller frame if you are are within 2 sizes. Thanks for the feedback :-) > > On 23 Jun 2018, at 5:02 AM, Lester Lammers > wrote: > > As long as you are OK with the stand over I'd say go for the 50cm. Riv > seems to going a bit smaller on frame size recommendations these days.The > SO on the geo chart for this frame is with the max tire size. My PBH is > 82.5 is and they suggested a 50cm. I was at the top of the range for the 50 > and the bottom for the 53. I went with the 53. I'll have 1" between the bar > and my jewels. I'm OK with that. > > On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:37:10 PM UTC-4, ed wrote: > >> Hi, >> Anyone who bought a 47 or 50 MIT Atlantis? >> I would like to hear your fit experience with the new geometry. >> >> With my height at 5' 5" and pbh of 79-80 so I am between size 47 and 50 >> of the new MIT Atlantis >> >> I currently ride the following; >> a. 48 Hunqapillar (Ahearn Map handlebar with 12cm stem) - fits me >> perfectly >> b. 51 Atlantis (Albatross bars with 13cm stem) - feels cramped and I >> often experience TCO >> c. 50 Cheviot (Albatross bars with 13cm stem) - fits me perfectly >> >> Riv suggest that I get size 47 MIT Atlantis but I am worried that I will >> still feel cramped since the top tube is only 0.5cm longer than my current >> 51 Atlantis. >> *With the 50 MIT Atlantis, the top tube will be 2cm longer than my >> current 51 Atlantis (old) not to mention that the front center will be the >> same with my 48 Hunqapillar where I am not having TCO experience.* >> >> Thank you guys for any advise. >> >> PS I currently use 165mm cranks on all my Riv bikes but plan to use 152 >> Sugino cranks with the MIT Atlantis. This should help increase my seat >> height. >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
