[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Craig Montgomery]

This pretty well answers it. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/44796788671/in/dateposted/

Still have it. On the third paint job. Owned maybe 20 bikes (all vintage) 
in the intervening years but the AR is still here and still doing what it 
does best: back roads camptouring. 
It's unimprovable. 

Craig in Tucson

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[ascpgh]

Wow Rod, I have a Rambouillet and a Disc Trucker, the latter I'm happy with 
for its intended use but wouldn't say the ride delights me. I find that 
even after 20 miles (unloaded) I am aware of the stiffer tubing of its 
build. 

Maybe the disc fork makes that much of a difference but the net take away 
from my riding is that I'll underbike the heck out of my Ram before I'll 
overbike the Trucker. which is only ridden other than commuting because of 
its generator lights and always mounted Nelson Longflap. I'm in process of 
fixing those oversights.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Reed,
>
> I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively 
> handling of my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT 
> variants (700c and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the 
> difference in handling among them, of course, but can ride any of them fast 
> and far, over a gamut of surfaces. I'm running Compass or Grand Bois ELs on 
> all of them, and that has no doubt improved the ride experience in all 
> cases.
>
> rod
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

['thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have RB032!!

Tracy

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[RBW] Re: Billie bar / choco bar

[Lester Lammers]

I like the Billie bar more than the Alba. More hand positions. I would not 
cut the ends until you use them stock a while.

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello rivsters, 
>
> I have been looking for a new upright bar. I love love love albatross bars 
> with the handles angled down about 10° - that is the end of the bars point 
> toward the rear hub. 
>
> What are peoples experience with the billie and choco bars? They look 
> similar to albatross but with less rise. I want to try one of them set up 
> almost like a flat bar with swept back handles. I am looking for a slightly 
> more swept back Jitensha bar (nitto b2522). I plan to cut the bar ends to 
> the length I want. 
>
> Thoughts? Other options. 
>
> Thanks 
> Jason

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[RBW] With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Jay LePree]

Hi all:

I think Grant was being too modest on his post yesterday.  I see 
Rivendell's  influence in the "gravel" bike, wider tires, bikes that can 
fit racks, and nowsomething I did not think I would see.

https://www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/interbike-trends-flat-pedal-resurgence_479471
Jay

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[RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Jay LePree]

Sorry...I forgot to include my location.
Jay LePree
Demarest, NJ

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 7:43:34 AM UTC-4, Jay LePree wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> I think Grant was being too modest on his post yesterday.  I see 
> Rivendell's  influence in the "gravel" bike, wider tires, bikes that can 
> fit racks, and nowsomething I did not think I would see.
>
>
> https://www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/interbike-trends-flat-pedal-resurgence_479471
> Jay LePree
>
Demarest, NJ 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Timothy Hurley]

I think someone already posted about it, but Grant was on the Home of the Brave 
podcast a while back. 

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[ctifusion]

That's a great retro build. I have an old mtb waiting for when my 8 year old 
grows a bit more. Couldn't pass up a super high end 1994 diamondback when I saw 
it on craigslist for $60 (even has some XTR bits!).

I will recommend looking at the Salsa kids mtbs. Rigid, 1x8, 20 and 24 inch 
wheels sizes that both take 3 inch tires. I think Giant also makes a plus-tire 
kids bike. The Salsa is a really incredible bike with extremely stable 
geometry. He loves how it floats on grass like a fat bike would but is still 
very fast on the street. 

I'll post a link from my computer in a bit.

Brynnar
Indy

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[RBW] Roadeo Future?

[Dave Grossman]

Anyone have any insight into the future of the Roadeo?  Grant mentioned it 
in his Blagh that it is going to be in the process of being changed a bit.  
I'm interested in getting one in the near future (or maybe just a Roadini) 
and when the last one popped up here I was short funds.  


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[RBW] Roadeo Future?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I was told by Grant that plans were drawn up alteady for the Taiwan version, 
which will be longer and stouter than the MUSA version they have been making. 
But they haven’t decided if they will go ahead and make it or not.


I think for now you can still get MUSA version.. If you want shorter stays and 
thinwall tubing now is the time.



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[RBW] Re: ISO: sweepy silver 31.8 handlebar

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hey Adam,

Glad to hear you like the JJJ + Clem combo -- I had ordered a JJJ bar 
(black) for my Clem H last week and it's due to arrive tomorrow. Thanks for 
the pic -- I think I'm gonna like it, too! 

Bob E
Cranford, NJ


On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:06:44 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:

> yooo i just put the Sycip JJJ mountain bar (made by nitto) on my clem 
> smith L and it's perfect! you get the red heat treated sticker AND the 31.8 
> clamp. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a nice build, Mark.  I've been wondering about shorter cranks.  I 
may try the shorter ones from his 24" bike and see how he likes that before 
buying or modifying.

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[RBW] Re: Billie bar / choco bar

[WETH]

Jason,
I switched from albatross to flipped albastache bars, so I get a bit of 
rise.  The position of the brake levers keep my hands forward like on a 
flat bar, but I can hold the bars on the swept back portion when I want to 
be more upright.  Photos: https://flic.kr/p/MX3cbk,  
https://flic.kr/p/J3MSau
Best wishes,
Erl

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello rivsters, 
>
> I have been looking for a new upright bar. I love love love albatross bars 
> with the handles angled down about 10° - that is the end of the bars point 
> toward the rear hub. 
>
> What are peoples experience with the billie and choco bars? They look 
> similar to albatross but with less rise. I want to try one of them set up 
> almost like a flat bar with swept back handles. I am looking for a slightly 
> more swept back Jitensha bar (nitto b2522). I plan to cut the bar ends to 
> the length I want. 
>
> Thoughts? Other options. 
>
> Thanks 
> Jason

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Siblings!

rod

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:41:25 AM UTC-4, thalasin wrote:
>
> I have RB032!!
>
> Tracy
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Thanks! I'm still grinning!

rod

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 11:13:32 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Gorgeous!! Congrats!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Rod Holland]

Well, I came to Grand Bois and Compass EL tires early on my Surlys, and 
found they transformed the ride experience; I've logged 12K+ miles on the 
700c LHT, much of that unloaded. It's definitely a different dynamic 
profile, but I find it agreeable. You might say I have a soft spot in my 
head for touring bikes... An apologia can be found at 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/surlylht/MwHsem_vVoI/yCc8jPvMBQAJ .

I have an MIT Atlantis build in progress, btw, and just picked up an old 
Ram. 

rod

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 5:26:26 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Wow Rod, I have a Rambouillet and a Disc Trucker, the latter I'm happy 
> with for its intended use but wouldn't say the ride delights me. I find 
> that even after 20 miles (unloaded) I am aware of the stiffer tubing of its 
> build. 
>
> Maybe the disc fork makes that much of a difference but the net take away 
> from my riding is that I'll underbike the heck out of my Ram before I'll 
> overbike the Trucker. which is only ridden other than commuting because of 
> its generator lights and always mounted Nelson Longflap. I'm in process of 
> fixing those oversights.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Reed,
>>
>> I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively 
>> handling of my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT 
>> variants (700c and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the 
>> difference in handling among them, of course, but can ride any of them fast 
>> and far, over a gamut of surfaces. I'm running Compass or Grand Bois ELs on 
>> all of them, and that has no doubt improved the ride experience in all 
>> cases.
>>
>> rod
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB Brooks c19

[RichS]

TJ, if you can’t score a c19 I have a c17 collecting dust.

Regards,
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Paul Clifton]

I was thinking about posting something similar to this. From my point of 
view, Rivendell has made a pretty major impact on cycling, and the bike 
industry. I mean, who's to say where trends actually start, but Riv and 
Grant have fairly consistently been at the front end of some of them - wide 
tires for chill comfy bikes, bikes that go wherever but not everywhere, 
promoting a just ride attitude, and maybe even long bikes, but that's yet 
to be seen.

The statement in the Blahg sounds like an echo of Bruce Gordon a bit. And 
it's really hard not to measure influence in dollars. If Riv is so 
influential, why don't that have a ton of money all the time? Niche is 
defined by market cap, not by aesthetics, admiration, quality, or whatever.

Riv isn't niche because the bikes don't appeal to people (although some 
people find them unappealing). Most people I know who don't care about 
racing or doing stunts love Rivs. But they're not gonna spend $1500 to $3k 
on a bike. They want a bike that costs $500 or less. They buy a Linus or 
similar. And surprise, they don't fall in love with biking, and yeah, the 
bike probably has something to do with that.

But does anyone consider Linus niche? Linus caters to everyone who just 
wants a bike to ride around town.That's such a big niche that it's not a 
niche anymore (maybe)(it's more niche than people who want a car to drive 
around town).

So Riv's niche is people who (1) Love Bikes and know the value of a good 
bike, (2) Have some extra money and choose to spend it on bikes, (3) don't 
care about racing and doing stunts. That's a much smaller niche, but the 
bikes are so goood.

I know when money is tight, it's really hard to measure success in terms of 
anything else. But I hope that the tough times end for a while and Grant, 
and everyone at Riv, can remember how much positive impact they've had on 
the bike world over the last 25 years. Go Riv!

Paul in ATL

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 7:43:34 AM UTC-4, Jay LePree wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> I think Grant was being too modest on his post yesterday.  I see 
> Rivendell's  influence in the "gravel" bike, wider tires, bikes that can 
> fit racks, and nowsomething I did not think I would see.
>
>
> https://www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/interbike-trends-flat-pedal-resurgence_479471
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hiya Mark, do you think you could put that cabin in my name?  I think I 
might have a taker and for simplicity I think that might be easiest...

Thanks!  Sorry we won't see you!!

-Alex

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 8:04:09 AM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Well Crap!!   A family situation has come up and I have to bail on this 
> trip.  I was really looking forward to it.  I have a cabin (Tilipe) 
> reserved and paid for, if anybody wants it I'll let the town clerk know so 
> you can use it.
>
> Marc
>
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> You should come Deborah!  
>>
>> On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 11:27:12 AM UTC-4, Deborah Coffin wrote:
>>>
>>> This sounds so fun. I’m so tempted to join you.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[stevew]

Awesome.  RB0053 lives in JP permanently.  BnB is a great shop.

Steve

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Lum Gim Fong]

Do you know who ised to own it?

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[RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[iamkeith]

With respect to Rivendell's influence: 

Yea, Grant was being extremely modest.   I personally don't think any other 
company - with the possible exception of Surly and Jones - has had as much 
impact on design trends or useful and innovations over the last couple of 
decades.  In addition to your list, don't forget: road bikes that are 
comfortable and actually fit, bike packing as a "thing," racks/bags/baskets 
becoming commonplace for day-to-day use,  650b wheels, the fact that steel 
didn't go away completely.   I know there's an endless list of other, quiet 
contributors too like Brant Richards, Jan Heine, Kirk Pacenti - and I don't 
mean to discount them - but the marketplace would look a lot different if 
it wasn't for their contributions.

With respect to the flat pedals article:  

Wow - that has to be a case of journalists really having to search hard for 
something to write about and pass off as news.   (Either that, or they're 
the worst trend-spotters ever.  This has been going on not only in this 
group, but in he mountain biking community as a whole for what - 8 or 9 
years at least?  I can't recall the last time I saw someone on one of my 
local trails with SPDs, save for some rare, lycra-clad XC guy.)   I see 
what Grant (and others) mean about Interbike being a dying venue.

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 5:43:34 AM UTC-6, Jay LePree wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> I think Grant was being too modest on his post yesterday.  I see 
> Rivendell's  influence in the "gravel" bike, wider tires, bikes that can 
> fit racks, and nowsomething I did not think I would see.
>
>
> https://www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/interbike-trends-flat-pedal-resurgence_479471
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52-cm Clem-L

[Alan H]

Thanks to all that showed interest in the Clem. I'm happy to report that it 
has a new home!

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 12:56:26 PM UTC-7, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I need to sell my wife's Clem-L. Size 52 in the greenish-bluish-tealish 
> color from a couple of years back. It has the curved seat stays. 
>
> Bought it for her because I thought she'd appreciate the greater stability 
> associated with the long wheelbase. I was wrong, she doesn't like the 
> overall largeness of the frame. On the other hand she loves my 45cm Clem-H. 
> Go figure.
>
> The bike has less than 100 miles on it. Stock build except for Ergon GC1 
> grips, a Greenfield kickstand with boot, and no saddle (the stock saddle 
> was truly horrific and my wife wants to keep the Brooks C17S that's on 
> there now). I'm asking $900. Send me a message if you're interested.
>
> I'm located in Orange County, CA and I would prefer a local sale but I'd 
> be willing to arrange shipping if necessary. 
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Alan
>
> p.s. - I'll try to post some pics tonight. 
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Alan H]

Wow, beautiful bike, congratulations!

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:39:23 PM UTC-7, Peter H wrote:
>
> I was pleasantly surprised when visiting my LBS yesterday, there on the 
> for sale racks amongst a bunch of used bikes was a gorgeous Rambouillet. 
>
> Tag has it as 58, for $1,500. 
>
> It’s over at Bikes Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain. 
>
> It’s a real beaut! 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pg9LxRacWXwPb9wT9 
>
> -Peter 

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[RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Joe Bernard]

Road bikes with tall headtubes, fatter-than-25mm tires and long-reach calipers 
simply did not exist before Grant started churning them out. Tektro had to make 
the brake just for him! 

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[sameness]

You could probably ask this guy 

.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 9:39:50 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Do you know who ised to own it?

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[RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Bill Schairer]

“Road bikes with tall headtubes, fatter-than-25mm tires and long-reach calipers 
simply did not exist before Grant started churning them out. Tektro had to make 
the brake just for him!”

I don’t know but I kinda think I’ve been riding such a bike for over 40 years 
now.

Bill
San Diego

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[RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Joe Bernard]

They did not exist in the mid-'90s when Grant was trying to make them a thing 
again. Obviously they were based on an earlier "sport tourer" design, Grant 
said as much. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Mark Schneider]

That would be disappointing, the whole point of the Rodeo is to be a faster 
model in the line-up. Oversized tubing is already stiffer, you don't need a 
beefier/thicker model, you already have that in AHH. I have a Homer it's 
great, but it's designed for a different kind of riding than a Rodeo. I'd 
like at least one true performance Riv in the line-up. 

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:51:27 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I was told by Grant that plans were drawn up alteady for the Taiwan 
> version, which will be longer and stouter than the MUSA version they have 
> been making. But they haven’t decided if they will go ahead and make it or 
> not. 
>
>
> I think for now you can still get MUSA version.. If you want shorter stays 
> and thinwall tubing now is the time. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah, that sounds like a lugged Roadini to me. They don't need one, the MIT 
Roadeo should be the exact same lugged bike, just cheaper. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Patrick Moore]

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:40 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> With respect to Rivendell's influence:
>
> Yea, Grant was being extremely modest.   I personally don't think any
> other company - with the possible exception of Surly and Jones - has had as
> much impact on design trends or useful and innovations over the last couple
> of decades.
>

I recall what was by present standards a cycling desert 20-25 years ago,
with mtbs dominant and, for the road, mostly ti and soda-can-tubed aluminum
racers for sale, unless you went to a specialist shop that imported
Woodrups or Bob Jacksons. And forget about finding saddlebags or wider road
tires or long-reach brakes.

I think that it was Grant who did the most to change all that, and that he
had a cultural (bike culture) effect that was both far earlier and far more
widespread than Surly or Jones. I'd even say that it was largely Grant who
made it possible for Surly, at least to flourish, and probably (Jones is
much later) Jones too, at least indirectly, that is, by the overall
liberation of design trends.

I think Grant even influenced Jan -- Jan had a custom Riv Road early on, --
though their tastes soon diverged.

I recall how, in the '90s, Rivendell was one of the very few US vendors
selling Brooks saddles, long-reach brakes, and Carradice saddlebags, and I
believe it was Grant who made these if not mainstream, at least visible in
the US market. He had special Brooks saddles made, designed and produced
new bars and bags, ordered new lots of 57mm-reach calipers, and so forth.

But again, his influence may have been widest not so much with his
particular design philosophy or products, at least as all this has
developed over the last decade, but more because, in general, he was the
first even relatively well known cycling vendor -- well known, doubtless,
because of his Bridgestone USA roots -- to simply buck the trend toward
faster lighter more complicated more specialized, and because this
encouraged others -- Surly, for example -- to also start doing their own
thing.

(So, thank you, Grant.)


> In addition to your list, don't forget: road bikes that are comfortable
> and actually fit, bike packing as a "thing," racks/bags/baskets becoming
> commonplace for day-to-day use,  650b wheels, the fact that steel didn't go
> away completely.   I know there's an endless list of other, quiet
> contributors too like Brant Richards, Jan Heine, Kirk Pacenti - and I don't
> mean to discount them - but the marketplace would look a lot different if
> it wasn't for their contributions.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Patrick Moore]

I wholeheartedly agree. Grant, don't stouten up the Roadeo; do that to the
Roadini, or let the Roadeo be a special order like the Legolas. Even
Rivendell needs one bona fide gofast model.

And don't put no stinking rack bosses on it, either.

Amen.

Patrick Moore, for whom the present Rodeo is the bike at the top of his
present "would like to get, if ..." list.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:56 AM Mark Schneider  wrote:

> That would be disappointing, the whole point of the Rodeo is to be a
> faster model in the line-up. Oversized tubing is already stiffer, you don't
> need a beefier/thicker model, you already have that in AHH. I have a Homer
> it's great, but it's designed for a different kind of riding than a Rodeo.
> I'd like at least one true performance Riv in the line-up.
>
> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:51:27 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> I was told by Grant that plans were drawn up alteady for the Taiwan
>> version, which will be longer and stouter than the MUSA version they have
>> been making. But they haven’t decided if they will go ahead and make it or
>> not.
>>
>>
>> I think for now you can still get MUSA version.. If you want shorter
>> stays and thinwall tubing now is the time.
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Kieran J]

That would be a real shame if the Roadeo was stretched and stoutened. 
There's a strange and increasing homogeneity happening with Rivbikes that 
has gobbled up nearly all of their models. I don't really understand the 
point of having half a dozen products that are more or less identical. 

For me it started with the double-TTs on already plenty stout bikes. As a 
tall and lightweight rider, I've essentially lost interest in their 
products :-(

KJ


On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:08:25 AM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Anyone have any insight into the future of the Roadeo?  Grant mentioned it 
> in his Blagh that it is going to be in the process of being changed a bit.  
> I'm interested in getting one in the near future (or maybe just a Roadini) 
> and when the last one popped up here I was short funds.  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Justin, Oakland]

Regardless of anything else it’s this homogeneity - or the perception of it - 
that typifies the most recent MIT offerings. I wonder how much differently a 
modern MIT Sam/Homer (merged in the MIT transition) rides than a modern MIT 
Atlantis/Hunq (merged in the MIT Transition)?

Then again - Riv knows how many Roadeos they sold and I’m guessing it ain’t 
many. Since I’m not in the market for anything but a Clem L or Bebe I’m not a 
potential sale they’re losing. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: FS: 18" Trek 950, Riv-inspired build - $325

[CMR]

Rain is coming, need v-brakes, fat tires, and fenders?

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

No, I don't, although a 3rd party did initiate a list discussion about it 
prevously. I'm guessing it got to BnB as a result of a charitable donation.

rod

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, I'm psyched about it. 

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Peter Jackson Hussey]

Yes

So glad you got it Rod!

Happy to see it go to a good home.

I’m over in Roslindale, I’ll keep an eye out for you when I’m riding
through JP!

Happy riding!

Peter

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:53 PM Rod Holland  wrote:

> Thanks, I'm psyched about it.
>
> rod
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Re: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Justin, Oakland]

I believe GP to be by his nature modest and humble. Great features for a human 
but not always the best for a businessman - because capitalism.

-J

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Justin, Oakland]

BUT BIKEPACKING AND FLAT PEDALS JUST HAPPENED AT INTERBIKE FOR THE FURST TIME

Beautiful bike. 
-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[iamkeith]

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 12:30:27 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I think that it was Grant who did the most to change all that, and that he 
> had a cultural (bike culture) effect that was both far earlier and far more 
> widespread than Surly or Jones. I'd even say that it was largely Grant who 
> made it possible for Surly, at least to flourish, and probably (Jones is 
> much later) Jones too, at least indirectly, that is, by the overall 
> liberation of design trends. 
>
>
>
I don't disagree at all.  Developments, advancements and trends obviously 
piggyback on previous developments, advancements and trends.   Without a 
doubt, Grant's thinking about geometry and fit found their way into Jeff 
Jones' thinking.   Maybe Jeff was simply the conduit for taking things like 
lower bottom bracket, athletic, upright riding positions, and ergonomic 
handlebars from the road world into the mountain bike world - but it was 
Jeff's unique take on it, with slightly different ideas about things like 
slacker headtube angles, low trail and ultra-short chainstay lengths, that 
eventually created a new paradigm that killed the NORBA mindset.  And that 
virtually everybody else followed.  Others like Canfield & Chromag  
continue to take it from there and come up with different variations, but 
incrementally so. 

For Surly, I'm pretty much referring to fat and plus size tires, along with 
a lot of simple, useful components that weren't available elsewhere.  
Before they pushed for it, the technology to make big casings didn't even 
exist.  For me personally, there's never an advancement that more improved 
my riding experience. (I'd say multiple-geared drivetrains were more 
significant, but I wasn't around when that happened.)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Banana Sax

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

sold thanks

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 2:37:04 PM UTC-7, gabriel luke thompson 
aspinwall wrote:
>
> Very lightly used olive banana sax $80 shipped.
>
> [image: IMG-6252.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG-6255.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG-6253.JPG]
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Grant riding a suspension seatpost?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Is that an UNO suspension post I spy on his bike in the Mt. Tam Blagh vid?

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Re: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Patrick Moore]

If you will throw in "supple and light" I'll agree with you; it's amazing
to think that you can get an actually rideable 60 mm tire thatm moreover,
weighs 450 grams and rolls like a racing tire (judging by "feel").

Patrick Moore, for whom the fixed gear drivetrain was the ultimate cycling
breakthrough.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:33 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> ...For Surly, I'm pretty much referring to fat and plus size tires, along
> with a lot of simple, useful components that weren't available elsewhere.
> Before they pushed for it, the technology to make big casings didn't even
> exist.  For me personally, there's never an advancement that more improved
> my riding experience. (I'd say multiple-geared drivetrains were more
> significant, but I wasn't around when that happened.)
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Re: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[James Warren]

I'm gonna quote a friend of mine on this forum, who can identify himself if 
wants to, who said, "Grant basically pioneered bikepacking before it was 
'bikepacking'." I agree with that, at least to some degree.


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>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of 
>influenceflat pedal resurgence
>
>Road bikes with tall headtubes, fatter-than-25mm tires and long-reach calipers 
>simply did not exist before Grant started churning them out. Tektro had to 
>make the brake just for him! 
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[RBW] WTB Brooks c19

[Jonathan D.]

Rich - any interest in trading a B17 for C17?

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[RBW] FS: Mark's Rack, bag, Willow chainrings

[Mike K.]

Evening, folks.
Used but still in great shape Mark's Rack: $105 shipped, CONUS
Waxed canvas rando bag: $60 shipped
Willow chainrings: 110bcd 49t and 74bcd 25t
$15 shipped for the big, $10 for the lil.

Pics: https://photos.app.goo.gl/qFMkx2UZSpTibuRr6

Thanks all!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Jonathan D.]

It looks like the new front rack for baskets  can be seen on the BLUG on the 
MIT Atlantis. 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[C.J. Filip]

Golden Ager.

Once owned: Atlantis, AHH.
Currently own: Saluki, Simpleone

Would like to find a Legolas!!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Justin, Oakland]

That’s a Mark’s rack with long stays. 
-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Ed Fausto]

Related to that blug, I just noticed that the red MicroShift, 9 speed
SL-T09 is installed inside the handlebar.
I would like to use this shifter but I thought it could not be used inside
the handlebar.
Edgar

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:51 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:

> It looks like the new front rack for baskets  can be seen on the BLUG on
> the MIT Atlantis.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Joe Bernard]

Ed, the shifters are reversed with the 9-speed clicker on the left in friction. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks c19

[Dan McNamara]

I may have one - I’ll double check this weekend. Any preference for slotted or 
not?

Dan

Marin. CA

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Timothy Hurley  
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> Hi all,
>I’ve convinced myself that a c19 will solve all my problems. Does anyone 
> have one collecting dust that’d they’d like to sell? Any color is cool.
> 
> Thanks and happy riding,
> T.J.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Ed Fausto]

Thanks Joe, I was really hoping it was possible.
After destroying several friction shifter after my bike falls over, I moved
all my shifters inside the handlebar.
Ed

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> Ed, the shifters are reversed with the 9-speed clicker on the left in
> friction.
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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[Lum Gim Fong]

You could try drilling holes between the stock strap holes to fit Tstone better.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Peter,

Once again, thanks so much for the pointer to this bike at BnB! 

Today I swapped the GR-9s and Power Grips for a set of MKS Allways platform 
pedals (with Knee Savers; I'm afraid that for anatomical reasons, low-Q is 
wasted on me), and went for another test ride, which was wonderful.







I also discovered that the Schwalbe tires that I thought were 28mm are 
actually 32mm; I'm thinking I'll just swap in some Stampede Pass ELs and 
not pursue putting on any larger tires or fenders (with brakes to match) 
for the remainder of the season, and just ride the bejesus out of this bike 
before the snow, ice, and road salt arrive..


rod




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> Yes
>
> So glad you got it Rod!
>
> Happy to see it go to a good home.
>
> I’m over in Roslindale, I’ll keep an eye out for you when I’m riding 
> through JP!
>
> Happy riding!
>
> Peter
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>> Thanks, I'm psyched about it. 
>>
>> rod
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[RBW] FS: Mark's Rack, bag, Willow chainrings

[Mike K.]

Rack is sold.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Joe Bernard]

I had them on a Clem, they work great in friction. You can even use the left in 
index mode if you swap the cables. It might feel weird to your brain, but 
there's really no reason for the rear shifting to be on the right side. The 
derailers don't care where the shifter is! 😬

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Joe,
Good to hear your feedback on these shifters.
I have been looking for an alternative to the IRD shifters.
Thanks gain Joe :-)

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> left in index mode if you swap the cables. It might feel weird to your
> brain, but there's really no reason for the rear shifting to be on the
> right side. The derailers don't care where the shifter is! 😬
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