[RBW] Ride Report, Brothers in CA

[Neil Doran]

Ah, so great! Your description of Tomales and points south was spot on. I also 
enjoy that heavy salt air that is always a bit surprising the way it hits you. 
Hopefully you enjoyed Pt Reyes Station to some degree, one of my special places 
in that part of the world.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Joe Bernard]

KC, one caveat I'll throw out there right away is most front hub motors seem 
sized for slightly larger dropouts than Riv forks use. I also have a bit of 
trepidation about how slim the blades are. 

Those front hub motors are not a good candidate for Rivs, in my opinion, plus 
in general are overpriced for what you get. I think mid-drives or that 
Copenhagen thing are the way to go. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Kathy Carroll]

Keith, I am interested in your input. I don't want to spend what I know 
I would end up spending for a purpose-built e-bike. And I really don't 
want another bike. I have 3 right now that I can justify my reason for 
each, but that's more than enough for me. Plus my husband and I are 
equally matched so we can ride together. Whatever decision I make, it 
looks like he will follow.


I love my Cheviot and want to ride it. My husband likes his "main" bike 
too.  I have decided on the front hub because it seems like a reasonable 
way to go - I think we can install ourselves, we can also easily remove 
if we want. I love to bike and don't want to coast along. We have an 11% 
(per the website I used to calculate) grade facing us immediately as we 
leave our driveway. That's enough to keep us from just grabbing the bike 
and taking off - we just need a boost to get us easily on our way. The 
rest of the time, I want to feel like I'm riding.


The 650B wheel size limits some of my easy options, but I found a 
company I think will work. Interested in input.




On 2/18/2019 6:16 PM, Keith Weaver wrote:
I have to admit that I'm also an e-bike owner. I put a Bafang 
mid-drive conversion kit on my XO-3. It's a lot of fun, and lets me do 
my 12-mile (one-way) commute on days when high temps or high winds 
would otherwise discourage me from riding.


If you have a frame/bike you already like, one of these kits can be a 
great option. I'd recommend researching mid-drives vIt swes hub 
motors, as each has their pros and cons. I have noticed that the 
majority of new e-bikes I see use mid-drives. A purpose-built e-bike 
will have the benefits of  cleaner cabling and may be more secure in 
terms of reducing the chances of the battery being stolen. But, you 
will pay a fair bit extra to get the good quality component level you 
already have on his Rivendell.C

Cheers,
Keith

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM dougP > wrote:


Leah:

This is February.  Imagine that bike path in the summer.  Add in
kids out of school, headed to the water with surfboards, boogie
boards, coolers, etc.  On weekends families use the bike path as a
"staging area" for their beach camping gear.  Giant coolers, easy
ups, tent things, grills, etc.  They like to unload the car onto
the bike path, then schlepp everything down to the sand.  :You had
a great day, considering we've all been cooped up it-seems-forever
by cold & rain.  Let the sun peak out for a few hours & we're out
the door.

BTW, if you do an Orange County trip in the future, Pedego has
stores in Irvine & Newport.  The Irvine one is conveniently
located on the San Diego Creek bike trail, which will take you
down to the Newport Back Bay.

dougP

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta)
wrote:

For some reason, I got Leah's full and exciting and happy
report on my phone, but I only see the partial one here. 
Leah--how lucky you can be if J is willing to ride with
you, albeit on an ebike. At least you'll be with you
sweetie.  And, it sounds like it was such a great weekend
for everyone, perhaps every three day weekend could be
exploring a different area on two wheels!


Roberta

Here is her full report:


On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM Leah Peterson
 wrote:

We had the best time biking the Marvin Braude bike path on
Saturday! The rains hammered Los Angeles on Friday night,
but by morning it was clear skies and sunny, perfect for
our purposes.

I brought my 55 cm Betty Foy and my 12 year old boy
brought his 45 Clem H. My husband loves a motorcycle and
not so much a bicycle, so we rented him an e-bike, and
because my other son is little and wouldn’t make the
length of the trail, we got the TANDEM E-BIKE. Yes, I said
tandem. We rented it from Pedego in Marina del Rey, and
the owners would only charge us $50 instead of their
normal $100 - such nice folks.

We had the absolute best time. We pedaled through beach
after beach, soaking up sun and smiling like idiots. We
stopped to collect sea shells and watch the boys play in
the waves. You couldn’t ask for prettier scenery, and the
weather was nearly perfect. I refused to be parted from
our Riv bikes, and though I had brought 4 u-locks for 2
bikes, I still pushed them through ankle-deep sand to the
beach so I could keep them in sight. I’ve been told I’m
embarrassing. Whatever.

The path is supposed to be exclusively for cyclers (though
there are some sections of it that are shared use), but we
ended up sharing the bike path with e-scoote

[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Paper/weatherproof maps are the best off line navigation. Combine with a 
compass and you’re all set! I only use the gps on my phone when things go 
squirrly or to puzzle out irregularities (all too common, no matter the 
platform).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Joey Robinson]

I really like my Wahoo Elemnt Bolt. It meets all your requirements except 
showing trails (I think it uses OpenStreetMaps so no bike paths). 
Additionally, it's very low-profile. I especially like how customizable the 
different screens are so you can have as little information as you'd like. 
RidewithGPS integration is great (also does Strava but I can't speak on 
that) and many people seem to prefer its interface to Garmin although I 
haven't used a Garmin.

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 9:38:42 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I know nothing about garmin things or other things that do mapping for 
> hiking/biking, though I’m moderately tech savvy in other areas of my life. 
> I’m finding myself very overwhelmed by online information 
> I’m looking for something that can: 
>
> -show a map on a screen but not need internet 
> -locate current actual location 
> -show trails as well as paved roads 
> -show elevation 
> -be no larger than a smartphone 
> -be charged via usb 
>
> It would also be cool if it could sync to something in a way that could 
>
> -provide directions in either step by step or linear format. 
> -link to an online history of rides and routes 
>
> Any direction of where to look and what to look at would be appreciated. 

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[RBW] Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Drw]

I know nothing about garmin things or other things that do mapping for 
hiking/biking, though I’m moderately tech savvy in other areas of my life. I’m 
finding myself very overwhelmed by online information
I’m looking for something that can:

-show a map on a screen but not need internet
-locate current actual location
-show trails as well as paved roads
-show elevation
-be no larger than a smartphone
-be charged via usb

It would also be cool if it could sync to something in a way that could 

-provide directions in either step by step or linear format.
-link to an online history of rides and routes

Any direction of where to look and what to look at would be appreciated. 

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[RBW] Road Standard (PSA)

[Dave Grossman]

As seen on the Paceline No relation to seller.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Keith Weaver]

I have to admit that I'm also an e-bike owner. I put a Bafang mid-drive
conversion kit on my XO-3. It's a lot of fun, and lets me do my 12-mile
(one-way) commute on days when high temps or high winds would otherwise
discourage me from riding.

If you have a frame/bike you already like, one of these kits can be a great
option. I'd recommend researching mid-drives vs hub motors, as each has
their pros and cons. I have noticed that the majority of new e-bikes I see
use mid-drives. A purpose-built e-bike will have the benefits of  cleaner
cabling and may be more secure in terms of reducing the chances of the
battery being stolen. But, you will pay a fair bit extra to get the good
quality component level you already have on his Rivendell.

Cheers,
Keith

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM dougP  wrote:

> Leah:
>
> This is February.  Imagine that bike path in the summer.  Add in kids out
> of school, headed to the water with surfboards, boogie boards, coolers,
> etc.  On weekends families use the bike path as a "staging area" for their
> beach camping gear.  Giant coolers, easy ups, tent things, grills, etc.
> They like to unload the car onto the bike path, then schlepp everything
> down to the sand.  :You had a great day, considering we've all been cooped
> up it-seems-forever by cold & rain.  Let the sun peak out for a few hours &
> we're out the door.
>
> BTW, if you do an Orange County trip in the future, Pedego has stores in
> Irvine & Newport.  The Irvine one is conveniently located on the San Diego
> Creek bike trail, which will take you down to the Newport Back Bay.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>
>> For some reason, I got Leah's full and exciting and happy report on my
>>> phone, but I only see the partial one here.  Leah--how lucky you can be if
>>> J is willing to ride with you, albeit on an ebike.  At least you'll be with
>>> you sweetie.  And, it sounds like it was such a great weekend for everyone,
>>> perhaps every three day weekend could be exploring a different area on two
>>> wheels!
>>>
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> Here is her full report:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We had the best time biking the Marvin Braude bike path on Saturday! The
>>> rains hammered Los Angeles on Friday night, but by morning it was clear
>>> skies and sunny, perfect for our purposes.
>>>
>>> I brought my 55 cm Betty Foy and my 12 year old boy brought his 45 Clem
>>> H. My husband loves a motorcycle and not so much a bicycle, so we rented
>>> him an e-bike, and because my other son is little and wouldn’t make the
>>> length of the trail, we got the TANDEM E-BIKE. Yes, I said tandem. We
>>> rented it from Pedego in Marina del Rey, and the owners would only charge
>>> us $50 instead of their normal $100 - such nice folks.
>>>
>>> We had the absolute best time. We pedaled through beach after beach,
>>> soaking up sun and smiling like idiots. We stopped to collect sea shells
>>> and watch the boys play in the waves. You couldn’t ask for prettier
>>> scenery, and the weather was nearly perfect. I refused to be parted from
>>> our Riv bikes, and though I had brought 4 u-locks for 2 bikes, I still
>>> pushed them through ankle-deep sand to the beach so I could keep them in
>>> sight. I’ve been told I’m embarrassing. Whatever.
>>>
>>> The path is supposed to be exclusively for cyclers (though there are
>>> some sections of it that are shared use), but we ended up sharing the bike
>>> path with e-scooters and runners and the occasional walker. I gotta say
>>> THAT was annoying. Finally a place for bikes, but we had interlopers to
>>> contend with. If you were going to break the rules and use the bike path as
>>> your jogging/walking/e-scootering path, wouldn’t you at least hug the edge
>>> and leave room for the bikes to go by? An astounding number of these folks
>>> couldn’t be bothered to let the bikes pass, and I watched cyclers ring
>>> their bells and sometimes it had no effect on the people using the bike
>>> lane illegally. They held their ground and the bikes were forced to wait
>>> until they could safely pass the pedestrians. Ugh. One or two did this to
>>> me, so I blasted both my bells at them. It was a small victory. We were
>>> wondering how many wrecks there are on the Marvin Braude - it’s wild out
>>> there. Add dogs and kids to the mix and you really have to have your wits
>>> about you. We had one skateboarder who kicked out too far and hit the rear
>>> wheel of the tandem, but she was fine. The Clem Rider and I had no trouble
>>> at all; the path was flat and made for easy biking - such a treat after the
>>> hills we are used to battling at home.
>>>
>>> I had a bad attitude about the e-bike initially. I wanted the Rivendell
>>> bikes in the photos, I’m a purist, and thus I was heavily prejudiced. But I
>>> kept it to myself. I will eat humble pie here, though, because that e-bike
>>> was really a good time. It kept my fa

Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[dougP]

Leah:

This is February.  Imagine that bike path in the summer.  Add in kids out 
of school, headed to the water with surfboards, boogie boards, coolers, 
etc.  On weekends families use the bike path as a "staging area" for their 
beach camping gear.  Giant coolers, easy ups, tent things, grills, etc.  
They like to unload the car onto the bike path, then schlepp everything 
down to the sand.  :You had a great day, considering we've all been cooped 
up it-seems-forever by cold & rain.  Let the sun peak out for a few hours & 
we're out the door.

BTW, if you do an Orange County trip in the future, Pedego has stores in 
Irvine & Newport.  The Irvine one is conveniently located on the San Diego 
Creek bike trail, which will take you down to the Newport Back Bay.  

dougP

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> For some reason, I got Leah's full and exciting and happy report on my 
>> phone, but I only see the partial one here.  Leah--how lucky you can be if 
>> J is willing to ride with you, albeit on an ebike.  At least you'll be with 
>> you sweetie.  And, it sounds like it was such a great weekend for everyone, 
>> perhaps every three day weekend could be exploring a different area on two 
>> wheels! 
>>
>
> Roberta 
>
> Here is her full report:
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> We had the best time biking the Marvin Braude bike path on Saturday! The 
>> rains hammered Los Angeles on Friday night, but by morning it was clear 
>> skies and sunny, perfect for our purposes. 
>>
>> I brought my 55 cm Betty Foy and my 12 year old boy brought his 45 Clem 
>> H. My husband loves a motorcycle and not so much a bicycle, so we rented 
>> him an e-bike, and because my other son is little and wouldn’t make the 
>> length of the trail, we got the TANDEM E-BIKE. Yes, I said tandem. We 
>> rented it from Pedego in Marina del Rey, and the owners would only charge 
>> us $50 instead of their normal $100 - such nice folks.
>>
>> We had the absolute best time. We pedaled through beach after beach, 
>> soaking up sun and smiling like idiots. We stopped to collect sea shells 
>> and watch the boys play in the waves. You couldn’t ask for prettier 
>> scenery, and the weather was nearly perfect. I refused to be parted from 
>> our Riv bikes, and though I had brought 4 u-locks for 2 bikes, I still 
>> pushed them through ankle-deep sand to the beach so I could keep them in 
>> sight. I’ve been told I’m embarrassing. Whatever.
>>
>> The path is supposed to be exclusively for cyclers (though there are some 
>> sections of it that are shared use), but we ended up sharing the bike path 
>> with e-scooters and runners and the occasional walker. I gotta say THAT was 
>> annoying. Finally a place for bikes, but we had interlopers to contend 
>> with. If you were going to break the rules and use the bike path as your 
>> jogging/walking/e-scootering path, wouldn’t you at least hug the edge and 
>> leave room for the bikes to go by? An astounding number of these folks 
>> couldn’t be bothered to let the bikes pass, and I watched cyclers ring 
>> their bells and sometimes it had no effect on the people using the bike 
>> lane illegally. They held their ground and the bikes were forced to wait 
>> until they could safely pass the pedestrians. Ugh. One or two did this to 
>> me, so I blasted both my bells at them. It was a small victory. We were 
>> wondering how many wrecks there are on the Marvin Braude - it’s wild out 
>> there. Add dogs and kids to the mix and you really have to have your wits 
>> about you. We had one skateboarder who kicked out too far and hit the rear 
>> wheel of the tandem, but she was fine. The Clem Rider and I had no trouble 
>> at all; the path was flat and made for easy biking - such a treat after the 
>> hills we are used to battling at home.
>>  
>> I had a bad attitude about the e-bike initially. I wanted the Rivendell 
>> bikes in the photos, I’m a purist, and thus I was heavily prejudiced. But I 
>> kept it to myself. I will eat humble pie here, though, because that e-bike 
>> was really a good time. It kept my family going and there was no 
>> complaining about “HOW many more miles?” because it was such a fun ride. In 
>> a surprising turn of events, my husband returned his bike and then 
>> immediately started looking online for e-bikes. It’s what he did when we 
>> were back at the hotel for the night. It was what he was doing while I was 
>> getting ready this morning. It was what he did all 4.5 hours from the 
>> passenger seat of our drive home. It’s what he is STILL doing even as I 
>> type this. He’s got it narrowed down to a few models, and none of them is 
>> his Clem. He wants a bike dedicated to being electric; he won’t consider 
>> rigging up his Clem. I don’t know what he plans to do with the Clem yet; I 
>> was hoping to keep it for when my boys get big, but he may sell it. I’m 
>> warming up to the e-bike because it means I’m 

[RBW] Re: Nitto R-10

[Matt]

Ty! And thanks for the tips on SQR, although hopefully this is the last 
installation. 

I've tried to find anything at all on what those posts are for to no avail, 
but I'm sure you're right, they're anchors.


On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 4:25:52 AM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Great looking installation, Matt!
>
> On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 3:34:51 PM UTC-5, Matt wrote:
>>
>> The one bit on my Ram I've reshuffled the most is the saddlebag. I told 
>> myself I didn't mind the bag hitting my legs, until I couldn't tell myself 
>> I didn't mind it anymore. I tried the Super C wedge years ago, then I went 
>> back to transverse, can't remember why. I even had a silver hupe for a 
>> minute. Most recently I gave the Bagman a try but with a Brooks saddle, you 
>> have to set it all the way back for the Bagman to attach and on long rides 
>> that position wasn't tenable. Somehow during all that time, I missed the 
>> Nitto R-10. Looks like it could be the final solve. The supports are 
>> supposed to attach mid stay but the Ram only has high ones for a 
>> traditional big rack. If I can avoid the look of p-clamps, I'll do it, so 
>> yesterday's project was cutting and bending them to fit:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/n2Qrr9s6gVoqWurCA
>>
>> Turned out pretty well! I could spend time getting the curves more 
>> symmetrical and the ends straighter on but it fits and it's not a ton of 
>> tension and I like the look. True test is next weekend in the mountains.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Leah Peterson]

Ryan, are you really converting a Rosco?! That is so exciting! I think your 
idea has true merit; he really wants both things; so I will look further into 
the Copenhagen/Bionex thing. I know where his head is at - if he’s spending so 
much on the e-bike, he should get the motorcycle, but then he’ll have to ride 
it sans the rest of the family, and then he won’t ride it much. My father in 
law and my husband had motorcycles and rode together; I’m sure he misses it 
dearly (his dad died unexpectedly in 2010).  Riding bikes has really been a 
compromise for the benefit of having us all together. But he would enjoy it 
more if it had a motor. Some folks are like that! I’m so excited for you - have 
you ever been to RBW HQ? I really hope you’re planning to take a lot of photos 
and provide a lengthy report back here. 

Kathy, will you keep us in the loop as well? I’d love to see how your bikes 
turn out. I sympathize about the hills - they keep people off the bikes here 
and it’s a shame. I have two girlfriends who will ride with me only if the 
weather is perfect. They are athletes and aren’t afraid of the hills, but the 
other 99% of people are. I’d love to see more folks out on bike, motor or not.

Cheers!
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 18, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Kathy Carroll  wrote:
> 
> We are going to convert our bikes in the next couple weeks with a front hub 
> motor. We need a boost to get out of the hills easily where we live now. I 
> love my Cheviot and that let's me keep riding a great bike. 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 1:00 PM 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > Leah,
>> Although I love the variety of riding my multitude of bikes (mostly 
>> Rivendells) provide.  
>> I confess to the joy a simple boost that an e-bike provides.  I fully expect 
>> to own one someday.  I see your husband’s logic about a fully designed one 
>> from the ground up.  Expensive is the correct word there to buy a quality 
>> one is $3999 up. Hence is likely second guessing.  To double your riding joy 
>> with the man you love I suggest you consider advising him to consider a demo 
>> model.  Just like Rivendell offers some great deals on their floor models 
>> this is especially true of e-bike stores.  I have also last years models 
>> cleared out down to seen 1/2 price (think new car models). Often subtle to 
>> know difference but buyers often want the latest year model or the 
>> automobile financing favors it.  
>> A high quality bike like a Rivendell may be simply converted with a high 
>> quality hub based boost.  (Copenhagen is a high end one, bionex midrange). 
>> This is the route I will likely go because because Rivendell is one of the 
>> few companies that satisfies my size requirement.  Most e-bikes max out at 
>> 60cm for a XXL which is laughable to riders my size.
>> I will give you personal feedback in about a month after I visit California 
>> for the NAHBS and ride a Copenhagen converted Rosco Bubbe Jumbo Mountain 
>> Mixte.
>> Regardless spending quality time over the next 5-10 years with your 
>> supportive husband will be important and necessary is your sons lives get 
>> busier in HS and they have even less time for an amazing mother like you.  
>> My vote is for a wheel if my report comes back as glowing as I expect it to; 
>> plus a nice little motorcycle 🏍 to boot.  Neither is better than the other, 
>> they are each different enough, and cover both of your bases.  Bicycling for 
>> you + cycling for him = Win-Win.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Ryan “provider of free life and marriage advice that is rarely if ever 
>> solicitated” Hankinson
>> West Michigan
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[RBW] FS: 59cm Soma/Rivendell San Marcos

[A. Nostuh]

Tiburon blue 2nd gen frameset NEW

Asking $550 plus shipping

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Kathy Carroll]

We are going to convert our bikes in the next couple weeks with a front hub
motor. We need a boost to get out of the hills easily where we live now. I
love my Cheviot and that let's me keep riding a great bike.

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 1:00 PM 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

> Leah,
> Although I love the variety of riding my multitude of bikes (mostly
> Rivendells) provide.
> I confess to the joy a simple boost that an e-bike provides.  I fully
> expect to own one someday.  I see your husband’s logic about a fully
> designed one from the ground up.  Expensive is the correct word there to
> buy a quality one is $3999 up. Hence is likely second guessing.  To double
> your riding joy with the man you love I suggest you consider advising him
> to consider a demo model.  Just like Rivendell offers some great deals on
> their floor models this is especially true of e-bike stores.  I have also
> last years models cleared out down to seen 1/2 price (think new car
> models). Often subtle to know difference but buyers often want the latest
> year model or the automobile financing favors it.
> A high quality bike like a Rivendell may be simply converted with a high
> quality hub based boost.  (Copenhagen is a high end one, bionex midrange).
> This is the route I will likely go because because Rivendell is one of the
> few companies that satisfies my size requirement.  Most e-bikes max out at
> 60cm for a XXL which is laughable to riders my size.
> I will give you personal feedback in about a month after I visit
> California for the NAHBS and ride a Copenhagen converted Rosco Bubbe Jumbo
> Mountain Mixte.
> Regardless spending quality time over the next 5-10 years with your
> supportive husband will be important and necessary is your sons lives get
> busier in HS and they have even less time for an amazing mother like you.
> My vote is for a wheel if my report comes back as glowing as I expect it
> to; plus a nice little motorcycle 🏍 to boot.  Neither is better than the
> other, they are each different enough, and cover both of your bases.
> Bicycling for you + cycling for him = Win-Win.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan “provider of free life and marriage advice that is rarely if ever
> solicitated” Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah,
Although I love the variety of riding my multitude of bikes (mostly Rivendells) 
provide.  
I confess to the joy a simple boost that an e-bike provides.  I fully expect to 
own one someday.  I see your husband’s logic about a fully designed one from 
the ground up.  Expensive is the correct word there to buy a quality one is 
$3999 up. Hence is likely second guessing.  To double your riding joy with the 
man you love I suggest you consider advising him to consider a demo model.  
Just like Rivendell offers some great deals on their floor models this is 
especially true of e-bike stores.  I have also last years models cleared out 
down to seen 1/2 price (think new car models). Often subtle to know difference 
but buyers often want the latest year model or the automobile financing favors 
it.  
A high quality bike like a Rivendell may be simply converted with a high 
quality hub based boost.  (Copenhagen is a high end one, bionex midrange). This 
is the route I will likely go because because Rivendell is one of the few 
companies that satisfies my size requirement.  Most e-bikes max out at 60cm for 
a XXL which is laughable to riders my size.
I will give you personal feedback in about a month after I visit California for 
the NAHBS and ride a Copenhagen converted Rosco Bubbe Jumbo Mountain Mixte.
Regardless spending quality time over the next 5-10 years with your supportive 
husband will be important and necessary is your sons lives get busier in HS and 
they have even less time for an amazing mother like you.  
My vote is for a wheel if my report comes back as glowing as I expect it to; 
plus a nice little motorcycle 🏍 to boot.  Neither is better than the other, 
they are each different enough, and cover both of your bases.  Bicycling for 
you + cycling for him = Win-Win.

Sincerely,
Ryan “provider of free life and marriage advice that is rarely if ever 
solicitated” Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Leah Peterson]

All is well!

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 18, 2019, at 2:26 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Excellent! My apologies for my blunt head scratching.
> 
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Excellent! My apologies for my blunt head scratching.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Leah Peterson]

Could be the solution to buy the motorcycle and keep the Clem. 

I’d abstain from calling him wimpy or weak. Biking isn’t his thing; he grew up 
on a farm and they rode motorcycles and snowmobiles. If biking isn’t your 
passion, it’s not your passion. His passion lies in his field of work, and he 
exerts maximum effort and brainpower there, and is nationally-recognized for 
his efforts. If the man wants an e-bike, he can have it. And if he wants a 
motorcycle, he can have that, too. And I’ll ride on the back of it.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 18, 2019, at 1:40 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> 
> Or ... Bonus ... buy a motorcycle, keep the Clem and ride with the family 
> when it is riding time? I’m no help here, just scratching my head in 
> bewilderment at the appeal of an ebike. Have we REALLY become so wimpy and 
> weak? Shrug.
> 
> But, as you wisely point out, it made the day possible ... together ... and 
> that is the highest priority, and a beautiful one, worth settling for ebikes 
> even, to make it possible. Grin.
> 
> Well done, and well done mama Riv bear protecting your charges ... and your 
> kids! Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Joe Bernard]

"..scratching my head in bewilderment at the appeal of an ebike. Have we REALLY 
become so wimpy and weak?"

The problem is assuming everybody has to enjoy bicycles the way we do. Ebikes 
provide a fun way to get around for people who either can't or don't want to 
pedal as much as most of us do. From the pics I've seen Leah's dude looks 
pretty fit, so I don't think it's a matter of strength there, it's just not his 
thing. He seems happy to pedal along a couple miles, and if you toss in a 
bigger trip he'd rather have some power or not go at all. 

Is that right or wrong? Nope, it's just where his interests lie. I'd rather see 
the guy bridge the gap from Leah's bike to e-assist than go find a motorcycle. 
Is my opinion. 

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Re: [RBW] Ride in the wind -- or not?

[esoterica etc]

Patrick,

Yes, I’m like you - I use a cheapo $10 small crockpot with a removable crock to 
heat the wax. I’ve been using Gulf Wax found in any Walmart (in the food 
section with the instant pudding and jello - go figure) I’ll have to give MSW a 
try after I use up all the paraffin I have. Thanks for the tip. 

~Mark


> On Feb 18, 2019, at 14:27, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> With plain paraffin, I'd get at most 100 miles before my chains started 
> making quiet squeaking noises. This is doubled, at least, with Molten. 
> 
> Also, the nearby Albertson's stopped selling canning paraffin and it is just 
> as easy to order Molten as the plain stuff.
> 
> I know others swear by pure paraffin. It certainly does keep grit from 
> sticking to the chain.
> 
> How do you apply your paraffin? I've never used a double boiler, but I can 
> vouch for the convenience of a small, cheap crockpot (I think I paid $4.95 or 
> so at GW). I prefer models with removable ceramic pots, the easier to discard 
> used wax when it gets too dirty (I've been using the same batch for over a 
> year now; still good, as far as I can tell.)
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:00 AM esoterica etc  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Patrick,
>> 
>> In what way do you feel Molten Speed Wax is better than pure paraffin wax? I 
>> started waxing my chains about six months ago and can’t say enough good 
>> things about it. I’m curious how something so great could get even better. 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> ~Mark 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2019, at 13:46, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using Molten Speed Wax for the last 12-18 months, after having 
>>> used paraffin and, later, various dry lubes -- forget names; Pro Link was 
>>> one.
>>> 
>>> The MSW keeps the squeaking away longer than paraffin, but keeps the 
>>> outside of the chain cleaner (important in sandy, dusty conditions). Using 
>>> a crockpot and masterlinks, re-waxing is easy.
>>> 
>>> https://moltenspeedwax.com/
>>> 
 On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 5:19 AM tc  wrote:
 Patrick, what dry lube do you like?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Joe Bernard]

His best bet is a kit on his Clem, which I can verify is an excellent platform 
for an e-conversion. I'm sure there's someone in town who could build it for 
him. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Or ... Bonus ... buy a motorcycle, keep the Clem and ride with the family when 
it is riding time? I’m no help here, just scratching my head in bewilderment at 
the appeal of an ebike. Have we REALLY become so wimpy and weak? Shrug.

But, as you wisely point out, it made the day possible ... together ... and 
that is the highest priority, and a beautiful one, worth settling for ebikes 
even, to make it possible. Grin.

Well done, and well done mama Riv bear protecting your charges ... and your 
kids! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Roberta, how weird - you’re right - thanks for catching that! Google Groups is 
showing only a small bit of what I wrote. If you get the email in your 
response, I guess you see the entirety of what I wrote. Refer to Roberta’s copy 
and paste, everyone. 😊

Yes, if he gets an e-bike, there will be adventures in store. He’s still 
researching and already having second thoughts. E-bikes are crazy expensive, 
and at that price point, he could have a motorcycle instead. But he can’t ride 
that with the rest of us, so the pull for the e-bike is still present. We’ll 
see! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[REC (Roberta)]

>
> For some reason, I got Leah's full and exciting and happy report on my 
> phone, but I only see the partial one here.  Leah--how lucky you can be if 
> J is willing to ride with you, albeit on an ebike.  At least you'll be with 
> you sweetie.  And, it sounds like it was such a great weekend for everyone, 
> perhaps every three day weekend could be exploring a different area on two 
> wheels! 
>

Roberta 

Here is her full report:


On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM Leah Peterson > wrote:

We had the best time biking the Marvin Braude bike path on Saturday! The 
> rains hammered Los Angeles on Friday night, but by morning it was clear 
> skies and sunny, perfect for our purposes. 
>
> I brought my 55 cm Betty Foy and my 12 year old boy brought his 45 Clem H. 
> My husband loves a motorcycle and not so much a bicycle, so we rented him 
> an e-bike, and because my other son is little and wouldn’t make the length 
> of the trail, we got the TANDEM E-BIKE. Yes, I said tandem. We rented it 
> from Pedego in Marina del Rey, and the owners would only charge us $50 
> instead of their normal $100 - such nice folks.
>
> We had the absolute best time. We pedaled through beach after beach, 
> soaking up sun and smiling like idiots. We stopped to collect sea shells 
> and watch the boys play in the waves. You couldn’t ask for prettier 
> scenery, and the weather was nearly perfect. I refused to be parted from 
> our Riv bikes, and though I had brought 4 u-locks for 2 bikes, I still 
> pushed them through ankle-deep sand to the beach so I could keep them in 
> sight. I’ve been told I’m embarrassing. Whatever.
>
> The path is supposed to be exclusively for cyclers (though there are some 
> sections of it that are shared use), but we ended up sharing the bike path 
> with e-scooters and runners and the occasional walker. I gotta say THAT was 
> annoying. Finally a place for bikes, but we had interlopers to contend 
> with. If you were going to break the rules and use the bike path as your 
> jogging/walking/e-scootering path, wouldn’t you at least hug the edge and 
> leave room for the bikes to go by? An astounding number of these folks 
> couldn’t be bothered to let the bikes pass, and I watched cyclers ring 
> their bells and sometimes it had no effect on the people using the bike 
> lane illegally. They held their ground and the bikes were forced to wait 
> until they could safely pass the pedestrians. Ugh. One or two did this to 
> me, so I blasted both my bells at them. It was a small victory. We were 
> wondering how many wrecks there are on the Marvin Braude - it’s wild out 
> there. Add dogs and kids to the mix and you really have to have your wits 
> about you. We had one skateboarder who kicked out too far and hit the rear 
> wheel of the tandem, but she was fine. The Clem Rider and I had no trouble 
> at all; the path was flat and made for easy biking - such a treat after the 
> hills we are used to battling at home.
>  
> I had a bad attitude about the e-bike initially. I wanted the Rivendell 
> bikes in the photos, I’m a purist, and thus I was heavily prejudiced. But I 
> kept it to myself. I will eat humble pie here, though, because that e-bike 
> was really a good time. It kept my family going and there was no 
> complaining about “HOW many more miles?” because it was such a fun ride. In 
> a surprising turn of events, my husband returned his bike and then 
> immediately started looking online for e-bikes. It’s what he did when we 
> were back at the hotel for the night. It was what he was doing while I was 
> getting ready this morning. It was what he did all 4.5 hours from the 
> passenger seat of our drive home. It’s what he is STILL doing even as I 
> type this. He’s got it narrowed down to a few models, and none of them is 
> his Clem. He wants a bike dedicated to being electric; he won’t consider 
> rigging up his Clem. I don’t know what he plans to do with the Clem yet; I 
> was hoping to keep it for when my boys get big, but he may sell it. I’m 
> warming up to the e-bike because it means I’m going to get a riding 
> partner. Sure I’ll miss our matching bikes and looking lovingly at that 
> big, blue bike on our evening constitutionals. But we can cover some real 
> ground if he’s got an e-bike because it will actually be fun for him to go. 
> My consolation prize will be companionship and better quads than his, so 
> there.
>
> Thanks to all of you for the information you shared with me - this was one 
> of our best CA weekends in living memory. You guys and gals are THE best.
>
> Leah 

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Re: [RBW] Ride in the wind -- or not?

[Patrick Moore]

With plain paraffin, I'd get at most 100 miles before my chains started
making quiet squeaking noises. This is doubled, at least, with Molten.

Also, the nearby Albertson's stopped selling canning paraffin and it is
just as easy to order Molten as the plain stuff.

I know others swear by pure paraffin. It certainly does keep grit from
sticking to the chain.

How do you apply your paraffin? I've never used a double boiler, but I can
vouch for the convenience of a small, cheap crockpot (I think I paid $4.95
or so at GW). I prefer models with removable ceramic pots, the easier to
discard used wax when it gets too dirty (I've been using the same batch for
over a year now; still good, as far as I can tell.)

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:00 AM esoterica etc 
wrote:

>
> Patrick,
>
> In what way do you feel Molten Speed Wax is better than pure paraffin wax?
> I started waxing my chains about six months ago and can’t say enough good
> things about it. I’m curious how something so great could get even better.
> Thanks,
>
> ~Mark
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2019, at 13:46, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> I've been using Molten Speed Wax for the last 12-18 months, after having
> used paraffin and, later, various dry lubes -- forget names; Pro Link was
> one.
>
> The MSW keeps the squeaking away longer than paraffin, but keeps the
> outside of the chain cleaner (important in sandy, dusty conditions). Using
> a crockpot and masterlinks, re-waxing is easy.
>
> https://moltenspeedwax.com/
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 5:19 AM tc  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, what dry lube do you like?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Ride in the wind -- or not?

[esoterica etc]

Patrick,

In what way do you feel Molten Speed Wax is better than pure paraffin wax? I 
started waxing my chains about six months ago and can’t say enough good things 
about it. I’m curious how something so great could get even better. Thanks,

~Mark 


> On Feb 18, 2019, at 13:46, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> I've been using Molten Speed Wax for the last 12-18 months, after having used 
> paraffin and, later, various dry lubes -- forget names; Pro Link was one.
> 
> The MSW keeps the squeaking away longer than paraffin, but keeps the outside 
> of the chain cleaner (important in sandy, dusty conditions). Using a crockpot 
> and masterlinks, re-waxing is easy.
> 
> https://moltenspeedwax.com/
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 5:19 AM tc  wrote:
>> Patrick, what dry lube do you like?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Ride in the wind -- or not?

[Patrick Moore]

I've been using Molten Speed Wax for the last 12-18 months, after having
used paraffin and, later, various dry lubes -- forget names; Pro Link was
one.

The MSW keeps the squeaking away longer than paraffin, but keeps the
outside of the chain cleaner (important in sandy, dusty conditions). Using
a crockpot and masterlinks, re-waxing is easy.

https://moltenspeedwax.com/

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> Patrick, what dry lube do you like?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: SQR with Medium or Large Saddlesack?

[Patrick Moore]

David: I'll be interested to see your photos; thanks.

Takashi: I have only a 12 month memory; anything pre- Feb 2018 gets erased
automatically.

Seriously, thanks -- again. And nice *black* saddlesack. I can see how the
SQR might dig in to the Saddlesack design more than into the more
canted-over Carradice designs.

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:52 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Patrick,
>
> I took an SQR out to RBWHQ in October to try that out. I didn't find it to
> be very satisfactory.
> I'll try to post some photos I took of (I think a Baggabond) to see if it
> would lift high enough on my 56cm Hilsen to keep it off the tire. The
> Happisack might have worked better without also requiring a rack or straps
> to keep it up and clear.
>
> David Lipsky
>
> On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 3:37:46 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone used the Carradice SQR with a Saddlesack? They work well with
>> the Carradice-type saddlebags, but the Saddlesacks are smaller
>> top-to-bottom but much wider fore-to-aft.
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[RBW] Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

...assuming there’s a SRAM to Shimano driver/converter. Has anyone done this?

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[RBW] Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

I also wonder about backwards compatibility. 

If you were ordering a new wheel:
Would it be cheaper/easier to order the Sram hub and convert to 2x or 3x 
Shimano later, if desired?  Or order Shimano hub and use XD driver to convert 
to 1x SRAM later?

Tom

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[RBW] Re: FS: Green/Blue MUSA Pants - Size Small

[Michael Ullmer]

Sold

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 8:31:28 PM UTC-8, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
> I picked these up from a fellow lister about a year back and was hoping my 
> wife would like em, but sadly they've just been sitting. There's two holes 
> that I patched with some tenacious tape as you can see in the pics.
>
> $25 shipped CONUS
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[RBW] Lug Calendar

[Bill Schairer]

That’s great!  Thank you,

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Ride in the wind -- or not?

[tc]

Patrick, what dry lube do you like?

Thanks,
Tom

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[RBW] Re: SQR with Medium or Large Saddlesack?

[Takashi]

This thread:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/SQR/rbw-owners-bunch/kGozV8kYCqw/IuhN8HJSAwAJ

As I've written, rails of SQR dig into the bag a little, so capacity of bag 
is reduced a little bit compared to when I attach the bag directly to the 
saddle.
Apart from that, it works fairly well.

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: Nitto R-10

[islaysteve]

Great looking installation, Matt!

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 3:34:51 PM UTC-5, Matt wrote:
>
> The one bit on my Ram I've reshuffled the most is the saddlebag. I told 
> myself I didn't mind the bag hitting my legs, until I couldn't tell myself 
> I didn't mind it anymore. I tried the Super C wedge years ago, then I went 
> back to transverse, can't remember why. I even had a silver hupe for a 
> minute. Most recently I gave the Bagman a try but with a Brooks saddle, you 
> have to set it all the way back for the Bagman to attach and on long rides 
> that position wasn't tenable. Somehow during all that time, I missed the 
> Nitto R-10. Looks like it could be the final solve. The supports are 
> supposed to attach mid stay but the Ram only has high ones for a 
> traditional big rack. If I can avoid the look of p-clamps, I'll do it, so 
> yesterday's project was cutting and bending them to fit:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/n2Qrr9s6gVoqWurCA
>
> Turned out pretty well! I could spend time getting the curves more 
> symmetrical and the ends straighter on but it fits and it's not a ton of 
> tension and I like the look. True test is next weekend in the mountains.
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[RBW] Re: SQR with Medium or Large Saddlesack?

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick,

I took an SQR out to RBWHQ in October to try that out. I didn't find it to 
be very satisfactory. 
I'll try to post some photos I took of (I think a Baggabond) to see if it 
would lift high enough on my 56cm Hilsen to keep it off the tire. The 
Happisack might have worked better without also requiring a rack or straps 
to keep it up and clear.

David Lipsky

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 3:37:46 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Has anyone used the Carradice SQR with a Saddlesack? They work well with 
> the Carradice-type saddlebags, but the Saddlesacks are smaller 
> top-to-bottom but much wider fore-to-aft. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Nitto R-10

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'd agree with Patrick about the SQR system. I have it in use with three 
bags and as many bikes. 
Works on 700c wheeled bikes and on my 20" wheel Bike Friday.
 
As it has no connection to the saddle, the exposed length of saddle rail is 
irrelevant. 

You do have to have about 4" of exposed seat post to mount the "block" that 
it uses. When the bag is removed the black plastic block is all that 
remains, with no rack attached to the bike.

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

PS. The R10 is a very nice looking bit of Nitto!
What are the downward pointing bits at the beginning of the platform? 
Aids/anchors for strapping things to the rack?

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 3:54:56 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Matt: The Carradice SQR system works well for (1) holding the bag off your 
> thighs, (2) holding it high if you have limited saddle-to-tire clearance, 
> and (3) giving you an easy-to-use QR system. I use the SQR on 2 bikes at 
> the opposite ends of the design spectrum: 700C X 29.5" Matthews "road bike 
> for dirt" and 20" wheel Dahon Hon Solo. And I've used the SQR system with 
> Carradice bags on many other bikes. Worth checking out, IMO. 
>
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