[RBW] Re: Cargo e-bikes are an amazing concept, but the options are imperfect

[cclivesay]

Edwin,

I’m jumping in here after following this thread - the fr8 looks great! We’re 
looking for a car replacement cargo bike and the v8 looks like a winner. 

I’ve checked with Workcycles and they won’t ship ebikes internationally but it 
looks like converting one with a bafang kit or similar wouldn’t be too 
difficult. 


On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 2:28:30 AM UTC+13, Edwin W wrote:
> One more to consider: the Workcycles fr8 V8. I have had all non electric 
> assists: Yuba mundo, bakfiets and fr8 so can only speak to the bike design. I 
> think the fr8 is the most bike like and most likely to be ridden without a 
> big load like 1-3 kids. It is a nice one to have as the kids grow out of 
> riding with you (though my 12 year old will still catch a ride on it). 
> But since you are talking long distances and hot weather etc.. an assist 
> makes sense and so think of the V8 version. German motor (not Bosch but 
> workcyckes only uses really good parts) and lights, fenders etc. are 
> included. Great add ons like racks (get a front and rear) and child seat in 
> between you and the handlebars: the favorite spot for all of my kids and the 
> best handling. 
> Now, a rest ride for a week makes so much sense and you might not be able to 
> do that, which is a huge drawback. 
> 
> Let us know what you get,
> 
> Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Hunqa-delivered coffee in SF

[David Bivins]

That's awesome! I love that label design, too - so out there!

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 6:25 PM Bill Rhea  wrote:
>
> Super nice person Mark from Last Stand Coffee is an entrepreneur coffee 
> roaster here in SF who makes deliveries by bicycle. Just roasted yesterday, 
> can't wait to try 'em! (link: https://laststand.coffee) laststand.coffee Met 
> him on the commute to work, we both ride 62cm Hunqapillars
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[RBW] Re: WTB: rivendell for 77pbh (complete or frame)

['islaysteve' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm about 78 PBH and I have a 51 Bleriot the I find to be just about 
ideal.  You might want to look for one of those.  They are out there, but a 
bit hard to find.  I found mine on eBay in 2011.  Sorry, mine is not for 
sale nor will be for quite some time, I hope!  Good luck with your search, 
be patient, and be sure and post pix here when you find your bike!
Steve

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 1:33:53 AM UTC-4, Beibhinn Dooling wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been lurking this forum for a while and am interested in seeing if 
> there is anyone out there thinking of selling their Rivendell. My pbh is 77 
> and I would be looking for an Atlantis, Clem L, Cheviot or Sam Hillborne. I 
> am currently riding a 60cm Cheviot that I scored for a sweet deal. The 
> seatpost is slammed with a 70cm stem/billie bars and while it works, it 
> feels so large that I don't have great control at low speeds or in tricky 
> off-road situations. It is also in the orange color scheme which I do not 
> love as much as Rivendell's other offerings. I am hoping to find a complete 
> that I can purchase and then sell my 60cm as a complete shortly afterwards. 
> Direct from riv would be ideal but as student currently in nursing school, 
> its just not feasible for me right now. 
>
>
> If anyone reading this has something they would be interested in passing 
> on to someone that will cherish it daily, don't hesitate to reach out 
> privately with details and a price in mind. 
>
> Thanks all,
> Beibhinn Dooling
> (located in bay area)
>

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Re: [RBW] NAHBS film photo challenge

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks! 

I had to re-learn how to scan film for this challenge. I had processed 
(adjusted the curves) the scans in Photoshop, but I just tried Lightroom 
for the first time with some of the same scans. Compared to Photoshop, 
Lightroom was much faster, more intuitive, and I got significantly better 
results. Lr also let my 'paste' adjustments onto another image. I'm sold. 

Now I'm kind of embarrassed of the PS processed ones I already uploaded. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 4:30:49 PM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Great shots! 

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[RBW] Biggest tire/fender combo on a Joe Appa?

[Ryan M.]

I don’t run fenders but my Appaloosa, 51cm with 650b Velocity Cliffhanger rims, 
can run the 57mm Schwalbe G one with a bit of room for dirt and mud but not 
room for fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the specs Adam. Happy riding!

> On Mar 22, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Adam Leibow  wrote:
> 
> Jon Dukeman - yes 2 ring silver cranks, but I'm going to make the big ring a 
> narrow wide. 
> 
> John Bokman - 46mm nitto noodles, small wald (137). There's a Donut Sack 
> basket bag in there. He is on this forum I believe. It's a simple roll top 
> bag that fits in the 137 perfectly. Highly recommend. 
> https://dbags.bigcartel.com/  
> 
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Adam, could you tell me:
> What size basket?
> What width handlebars?
> What's the bag in the basket?
> 
> I'm considering putting a rack on my 58 cm Sam, you see. I run 44cm noodles. 
> Not sure if the big basket wouldn't just be too massive, but unsure.
> 
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Adam
Enjoy your bike. Very nice!

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 11:46 AM Adam Leibow  wrote:

> Jon Dukeman - yes 2 ring silver cranks, but I'm going to make the big ring
> a narrow wide.
>
> John Bokman - 46mm nitto noodles, small wald (137). There's a Donut Sack
> basket bag in there. He is on this forum I believe. It's a simple roll top
> bag that fits in the 137 perfectly. Highly recommend.
> https://dbags.bigcartel.com/
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Adam, could you tell me:
>> What size basket?
>> What width handlebars?
>> What's the bag in the basket?
>>
>> I'm considering putting a rack on my 58 cm Sam, you see. I run 44cm
>> noodles. Not sure if the big basket wouldn't just be too massive, but
>> unsure.
>>
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your
>>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love
>>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sackville Backabike Olive Rear Bags - Old Style

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I hope so, as it's been two and a half years since he started the search...

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Adam Leibow]

Jon Dukeman - yes 2 ring silver cranks, but I'm going to make the big ring 
a narrow wide. 

John Bokman - 46mm nitto noodles, small wald (137). There's a Donut Sack 
basket bag in there. He is on this forum I believe. It's a simple roll top 
bag that fits in the 137 perfectly. Highly recommend. 
https://dbags.bigcartel.com/ 

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Adam, could you tell me:
> What size basket?
> What width handlebars?
> What's the bag in the basket?
>
> I'm considering putting a rack on my 58 cm Sam, you see. I run 44cm 
> noodles. Not sure if the big basket wouldn't just be too massive, but 
> unsure.
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

No worries, John.  In hindsight, I should have purchased the widest 52cm 
(aka the  "true" 48cm at ramp) RM-013's.  At the time I made the error in 
assuming they were listed/measured the same as the Noodles and thought 48cm 
would be a good place to start knowing I could go up to the 52cm if needed 
but later discovered the RM013 were even narrower than expected with the 
different sizing method at the bar ends.  I've never tried the Noodle 
but previously considered them and was already familiar with their sizing 
but wanted the added flare of the RM013.

My next drop bar build will be use some 46cm Salsa Cowbells I picked up in 
another trade which are wider at the hood/ramp than the 48cm RM013.

  

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 12:19:57 PM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for that Brian. I’ll keep this in mind. Not sure if I want to try 
> an even wider bar or not at the moment. While I like the 44cm noodles, I’m 
> tempted to try the “true” 48 cm width, only with more flare, so I might 
> want to try the 52cm RM-013 rather than the 48cm. But as I said, this is 
> all still a project in my mind at this point. For most riding I don’t think 
> I would benefit from wider bars. But when I’m hauling big loads, it would 
> be kind of nice to have that extra leverage up front - especially when I’ve 
> overfilled my load on the front. 
>
> > On Mar 22, 2019, at 5:53 AM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  > wrote: 
> > 
> > John, 
> > Here’s a good comparison of the RM013 toRM014 as well as the Noodle. 
> > 
> http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
>  
> > 
> > I actually have a 26.0 RM013 in 48cm width... which is narrower than and 
> measured differently than a 48 Noodle and may more closely resemble your 44 
> Noodle with the flare you’re looking for.  I’m no longer using these and 
> found them a little narrow for my own needs but would be open to sale or 
> trade, if you were interested in giving them a try.  They are currently in 
> storage with some other spare parts and still need to be unwrapped/cleaned 
> but contact me offlist if interested and I could grab them one day, take 
> pics, etc. 
> > 
> > Brian Cole 
> > Lawrenceville NJ 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

[john Bokman]

Thanks for that Brian. I’ll keep this in mind. Not sure if I want to try an 
even wider bar or not at the moment. While I like the 44cm noodles, I’m tempted 
to try the “true” 48 cm width, only with more flare, so I might want to try the 
52cm RM-013 rather than the 48cm. But as I said, this is all still a project in 
my mind at this point. For most riding I don’t think I would benefit from wider 
bars. But when I’m hauling big loads, it would be kind of nice to have that 
extra leverage up front - especially when I’ve overfilled my load on the front.

> On Mar 22, 2019, at 5:53 AM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
> 
> John,
> Here’s a good comparison of the RM013 toRM014 as well as the Noodle.
> http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
> 
> I actually have a 26.0 RM013 in 48cm width... which is narrower than and 
> measured differently than a 48 Noodle and may more closely resemble your 44 
> Noodle with the flare you’re looking for.  I’m no longer using these and 
> found them a little narrow for my own needs but would be open to sale or 
> trade, if you were interested in giving them a try.  They are currently in 
> storage with some other spare parts and still need to be unwrapped/cleaned 
> but contact me offlist if interested and I could grab them one day, take 
> pics, etc.
> 
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biggest tire/fender combo on a Joe Appa?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Thanks guys.

I wonder if the tire clearance is equal across the different wheel sizes?
Sounds like tires marked 50mm should fit under big enough fenders...

Doug

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 9:45 PM Ash  wrote:

> I have 46cm Appa and 50cm MIT Atlantis.  Tire clearance is the same.  With
> Compass RTP tire there was no room for fender.   These frames have 26'
> wheels, btw.
>
> Previously I had 51cm Appa.  I was able to use Schwalbe Almotion 650bx50mm
> with SKS fenders.  If I recall correctly there wasn't much room for tires
> any wider if I wanted to keep the fenders.
>
> On Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:47:17 UTC-7, Jonathan K. wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>>
>> I'm sure someone will chime in with bigger tires than me, but I have a
>> 58cm Appaloosa with 700x50c Big Bens under SKS fenders. The tires measure
>> 47mm on Alex DM18 rims. Plenty of clearance under the fenders, and I'm
>> guessing I could go 55mm. The tightest spot appears to be at the chainstay,
>> but I definitely have room to go bigger than my Big Bens. I'm thinking
>> about trying a set of Antelope Hills.
>>
>> I'm also curious how big people have gone with the Appaloosa. Also, I
>> think the new Atlantis has the same tire clearance (the geometry chart says
>> they're the same), so maybe Atlantis owner experiences would be helpful too?
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 6:53:35 PM UTC-5, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy folks.
>>>
>>> I will probably be getting my hands on a JA in the relatively near
>>> future.  I think what I'll probably want to do is put some alloy fenders on
>>> it that will work with the largest tire that fits with fenders.  I suppose
>>> it might matter that I'm talking about 650B.  What is the biggest
>>> tire/fender combo that has adequate clearance?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Doug
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell tinkering..

[Toshi Takeuchi]

To me, a Riv, above all needs to be functionally sound and should be
ridden.  You'd want to use stuff that works and will last a while.  Beyond
that, I would say put on whatever makes you happy or whatever parts you
have that are ready to use and ride with.

My custom is a mishmash of high-end mixed with Shimano derailleurs and
plastic fenders, but is perfect and beautiful to me. As long as the bike
gives joy to the rider, then it's a Riv in my book...

Toshi

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[RBW] NAHBS Gus photos

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Not sure how many are familiar with the user "bicycle pubes" on the social 
media, so maybe Cecil's comment slipped by unnoticed, but it's pretty funny. I 
may not agree with his take on Mr. Peterson and his Mr. Wilson, but Grant was 
holding a beer at least.
-Kai

"Cecil
March 18, 2019 at 11:54 am
Pubes: I’m going to bring the most outrageous beyond parody bike of the show. 
Nobody will bring anything worse.
Grant: Hold my beer"

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

John,
Here’s a good comparison of the RM013 toRM014 as well as the Noodle.
http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/

I actually have a 26.0 RM013 in 48cm width... which is narrower than and 
measured differently than a 48 Noodle and may more closely resemble your 44 
Noodle with the flare you’re looking for.  I’m no longer using these and found 
them a little narrow for my own needs but would be open to sale or trade, if 
you were interested in giving them a try.  They are currently in storage with 
some other spare parts and still need to be unwrapped/cleaned but contact me 
offlist if interested and I could grab them one day, take pics, etc.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Gus photos

[Ryan M.]

I would want a wider rim than a cliffhanger for a 2.8. I have cliffhangers on 
my Appaloosa and run the 57mm schwalbe g one on them and that is staring to get 
a bit Balloon-like and I would think trying to get a larger tire on a rim like 
the cliffhanger would run into issues clearing the v-brake arms.  The 
cliffhanger is not rated for a 2.8 tire, so I would think a new rim would be in 
order.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Gus photos

[DarinM]

Gahhh, they looks so damn fun! Thanks for the link, the writer could have 
said more about what it has rather than what it doesn't but whatever.

Ryan,

Are you wondering if Riv will have their own rims made for it or just which 
they will spec? So far, all the GBW's I've seen are using Velocity 
Cliffhangers which are the widest rim brake rim available (25mm inside) 
that I'm aware of.

Darin

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 7:51:53 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Bike Rumor posted a few photos from the Rivendell booth:
>
>
> https://bikerumor.com/2019/03/16/nahbs-2019-pursuit-cycles-dean-titanium-don-walker-rivendell-shamrock-cycles/
>
>
>
> Posted 8:39 am, Mar. 17, 2019
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

[DarinM]

First off, I'm surprised by how much I like the 13's. I thought what I 
really like about Noodles are the curved tops and was worried I wouldn't 
like these since they're flat, but it's actually more about the long reach 
for me. The added flare does exactly what you describe, gives you a little 
more room to get wide where the Noodle's are more constricted in the drops. 
I use the drops a lot for rough descents and long climbs. I had them on my 
Atlantis and am setting my BMC Monster Cross up with them now.

I still love Noodle's, just glad to have found another bar I like as much. 
I use both with Shimano R400 brake levers FWIW.

Darin

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Darin, curious how you notice the difference between your 46cm Noodles vs. 
> your Nitto RM-13. I ask because I have thought about trying the RM-013. 
> Although I like my noodles (in 44cm), at times I wish for a little more 
> flare so my forearms don't hit the tops when in the hooks, sprinting.
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 11:28:11 AM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I am pretty sure they are indeed Noodle shaped, just in 50cm. Drop, 
>> reach, flare and swept back tops all match Noodles. I am curious to try 
>> wider drop bars but am just so freakin' comfortable on my 46cm Noodle's and 
>> 52cm (about 46cm at the levers) RM-13's that I just haven't gotten around 
>> to it. 
>>
>> Darin
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:59:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> If 48cm Noodles are just not wide enough, there's this:
>>>
>>> https://www.sim.works/products/so-bar?variant=12605701783653
>>>
>>> Comes in black and silver, obviously, I'd be interested in the silver 
>>> version.
>>>
>>> Anyone tried it?  It's a little more traditional and less bendy than a 
>>> Noodle.  But still, looks interesting.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> --
>>> signature goes here
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

[John Bokman]

Darin, curious how you notice the difference between your 46cm Noodles vs. 
your Nitto RM-13. I ask because I have thought about trying the RM-013. 
Although I like my noodles (in 44cm), at times I wish for a little more 
flare so my forearms don't hit the tops when in the hooks, sprinting.

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 11:28:11 AM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> I am pretty sure they are indeed Noodle shaped, just in 50cm. Drop, reach, 
> flare and swept back tops all match Noodles. I am curious to try wider drop 
> bars but am just so freakin' comfortable on my 46cm Noodle's and 52cm 
> (about 46cm at the levers) RM-13's that I just haven't gotten around to it. 
>
> Darin
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:59:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> If 48cm Noodles are just not wide enough, there's this:
>>
>> https://www.sim.works/products/so-bar?variant=12605701783653
>>
>> Comes in black and silver, obviously, I'd be interested in the silver 
>> version.
>>
>> Anyone tried it?  It's a little more traditional and less bendy than a 
>> Noodle.  But still, looks interesting.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -- 
>> --
>> signature goes here
>>
>

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