date:20200401

Not big news on the Riv List apparently...

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Re: [RBW] Re: To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

2020-04-01 Thread Drw

It’s all helpful to me. I frequently run into issues and it’s always a toss up 
of whether I’m a naive mechanic or if there’s a compatibility issue. I’ve been 
making bikes the riv way for a while, but that way sort emphasizes mix and 
matchableness over understanding modern standards

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[RBW] WTB: Drivetrain Parts

2020-04-01 Thread Collin A

Hi all,

Turns out I have worn through some drivetrain parts on my Clem over the 
past 2 years, just as Riv is out of stock and as the world is ending, 
apparently. I still intend to ride my bike during my Dam and Levee 
inspections though.

Anyways, hopefully some folks have the following lying around with limited 
mileage:

   - 5-Bolt 74 BCD, 24t chainring, preferably the crmo variety
   - 5-Bolt 110 BCD, 38t Chainring
   - 11-34/12-36/something close to that 9-speed cassette

Stay Healthy,
Collin A in Sacramento

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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA Shorts - Grey/Blue - 2XL - Old Style - $25 shipped

2020-04-01 Thread David B

Sold. Thanks!

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:47:42 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Title says pretty much it all.
>
> MUSA Shorts
> I tried these on, probably should've gone for an XL, but sized up. Never 
> used them, so like new. 
>  Size 2XL.
> Old style, as opposed to the newer versions.
> Grey with navy blue gusset. 
> Info here: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/remainders-specials/products/musa-shorts
> I paid $25 plus shipping.
>
> Selling for $25 and I'll cover shipping.
> Contact offlist if interested.
> Paypal for payment.
> Thanks,
> David 
> in River Grove, IL, apparently now cleaning out the dresser
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-04-01 Thread Bill Lindsay

The money-is-no-object best tubular rim for a Rivendell custom is, in my 
opinion, the HED Belgium.  I don't run the tubular variant, but I run 
several wheelsets built around the clincher HED Belgium, Belgium Plus, and 
Ardennes wheels.  They are exceptional rims.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:03:15 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> Can we get back to the question I posed? The original question was: Which 
> rim is best for tubulars? The only mention of a rim I've seen so far is the 
> Major Tom's Bill ran on his Atlantis. Does anyone else have experience on 
> rims other than Velocity Major Tom's?
>
> And for Patrick -
>
> To quote Jan: "A wide tires has so much casing that the clincher rim no 
> longer makes up a significant portion of the tire’s circumference. And that 
> means that with truly wide tires, the advantages of tubulars disappear. But 
> for narrow tires, a great tubular will transform your bike."
>
> I do not think you will find many tubulars much wider that 34mm.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:02:26 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote:
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> My first really nice bike had sew-up [now usually referred to as tubular] 
>> tires. This was back in the day (mid '70s) of 27" wheels, full campy 
>> grouppo, etc. I recall two things about sew-ups/tubulars:
>>
>> 1) The ride was incredible. Very smooth. Seemed to glide over the 
>> pavement. All this even though the tires were less than 30mm wide.
>>
>> 2) Flats were a major hassle to fix. First you had to get the tire off 
>> the bike. Sew-ups/tubulars are either glued to the rim or secured via 
>> two-sided tape. Then you had to find the leak, pull back the strip covering 
>> the seam in the casing (whence the name - sew-up), cut the seam near the 
>> leak, patch the tube inside, re-sew the seam in the casing, secure the 
>> strip covering the seam and reinstall the tire on the rim.
>>
>> I had relegated sew-ups to the distant past until I saw Jan's recent post 
>> on tubulars. That got me to thinking about a new set of Rich-built wheels 
>> to go on my Riv custom. I have another bike to put the current set on, and 
>> I would like to recover some of the ride of the old bike.
>>
>> Which leads me to my question - which rim would be best for my wheels? 
>> The rims need to be compatible with tubulars. Having ridden several sets of 
>> bomb-proof wheels using Velocity rims, I naturally gravitated to the 
>> Velocity Major Tom. Is there a better or more appropriate rim for tubulars? 
>> I'm planning on using Jan's FMB tubulars; probably one of the 33mm tires.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?

Corwin,

I didn’t mean to hijack your thread.  I apologize.  You asked about Major Toms 
and I am using them with good luck so far so thought I was responding 
appropriately and then answered resulting direct questions.  I built up another 
set with Mavic Reflex and those have been fine as well.  Mine were used and I 
thought no longer available new but see now that they are.  I think they are 
narrower than the Major Toms.  Not sure there are many other choices besides 
carbon or wood.

I agreed with Jan’s comment.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

2020-04-01 Thread Daniel D.

PM your address guys I'll get it out to you. 

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[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-04-01 Thread Corwin

Hi -

Can we get back to the question I posed? The original question was: Which 
rim is best for tubulars? The only mention of a rim I've seen so far is the 
Major Tom's Bill ran on his Atlantis. Does anyone else have experience on 
rims other than Velocity Major Tom's?

And for Patrick -

To quote Jan: "A wide tires has so much casing that the clincher rim no 
longer makes up a significant portion of the tire’s circumference. And that 
means that with truly wide tires, the advantages of tubulars disappear. But 
for narrow tires, a great tubular will transform your bike."

I do not think you will find many tubulars much wider that 34mm.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:02:26 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> My first really nice bike had sew-up [now usually referred to as tubular] 
> tires. This was back in the day (mid '70s) of 27" wheels, full campy 
> grouppo, etc. I recall two things about sew-ups/tubulars:
>
> 1) The ride was incredible. Very smooth. Seemed to glide over the 
> pavement. All this even though the tires were less than 30mm wide.
>
> 2) Flats were a major hassle to fix. First you had to get the tire off the 
> bike. Sew-ups/tubulars are either glued to the rim or secured via two-sided 
> tape. Then you had to find the leak, pull back the strip covering the seam 
> in the casing (whence the name - sew-up), cut the seam near the leak, patch 
> the tube inside, re-sew the seam in the casing, secure the strip covering 
> the seam and reinstall the tire on the rim.
>
> I had relegated sew-ups to the distant past until I saw Jan's recent post 
> on tubulars. That got me to thinking about a new set of Rich-built wheels 
> to go on my Riv custom. I have another bike to put the current set on, and 
> I would like to recover some of the ride of the old bike.
>
> Which leads me to my question - which rim would be best for my wheels? The 
> rims need to be compatible with tubulars. Having ridden several sets of 
> bomb-proof wheels using Velocity rims, I naturally gravitated to the 
> Velocity Major Tom. Is there a better or more appropriate rim for tubulars? 
> I'm planning on using Jan's FMB tubulars; probably one of the 33mm tires.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-04-01 Thread Julian Westerhout

Bill, 

I think that the tubular-sho Atlantis is an amazing thing -- kudos. I had 
no idea tubulars existed in that size. Pretty neat. I's love to see a photo 
-- and I think you should send a photo to Will at Riv for the Blug 


I have a '70's vintage road bike with  tubulars -- cheap ones at the 
moment, not ridden much, but they're great compared to the 25c clincher 
alternative for that bike. Perhaps i'll look for used higher-end tires. Odd 
to think tubulars might be experiencing a mini-renaissance. In the early 
'80s I worked at a road- oriented shop that had lots of training tubulars 
to patch in the winter. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 9:30:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes, 
> including my Atlantis, to tubular.  The Atlantis was the last and the only 
> one with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms.  The rear hub is a Deore XT 
> and the front a Shimano dynahub.  Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph 
> 50mm tires on the Atlantis.  I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup 
> and am quite happy with it.  Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000 
> tubular miles.  I have changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture 
> and one blowout of a used, rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding. 
>  Definitely easier than fixing a clincher on the road.  I have opened up 
> two tires to repair punctures.  One was a used FMB purchased with the 
> puncture.  Definitely a bit time consuming but not as bad as I expected and 
> all part of the learning process and experience.  I am no longer 
> intimidated by it.  Otherwise, my experience has been that if the tire will 
> hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the trick.  If it 
> can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess.  Open the tire up instead. 
>  Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like riding 
> tubeless.  I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got home. 
>  I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front tires 
> without sealant without suffering punctures.  I did a 400 mile tour in New 
> England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a 
> liability to my buddies.  Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant 
> wouldn’t cure before I would have to worry about opening a tire.  There 
> were 4 of us.  Two flats but none were mine.  The others were paranoid 
> about riding off pavement on their clinchers but I had no fear and no 
> problems. Around home, I was riding with one spare and sealant but have 
> switched to two spares, saving sealant for home repairs. 
>
> I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews. 
>  They are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing, 
> mounting etc and now serve as spares.  They got me over the intimidation 
> phase.  I really like Veloflex Vlaanderen tires.  They are 28mm and super 
> comfortable and easy to mount.  I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in 
> back.  I’m 170 lbs.  I picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm). 
>  They are absolutely dreamy.  I had them on a backup bike which became not 
> a backup.  I finally took them off wanting to save them for a planned tour 
> this fall  (ha - good luck with that).  The bike has fallen back to backup 
> status.  I was riding those at 30/35!  At the pressures I’ve been riding 
> tubulars I would be pinch flatting clinchers and not tolerating the 
> squishy, lack of control feeling.  I was just never able to dial in any 
> clincher (including Compass) for comfort and road feel.  I have been 
> quietly wondering why Jan was not offering tubulars and am glad he now is. 
>  I, so far, will agree that there is little need to go wider than a tubular 
> in the 30’s for comfort.  I can ride the FMB’s at the same pressure as the 
> 50mm Racing Ralphs and they are more comfortable and have much better feel 
> on the road but the RR’s do provide much better float for rough stuff, 
> sand, or mud. 
>
> Here is how I would rate the tires I have purchased - none at MSRP(just to 
> address the expense issue a bit): 
>
> FMB Sprint purchased used.  Dreamy and probably worth MSRP, as high as it 
> is 
> Veloflex Vlaanderen, 2 sets purchased on sale.  All 4 have around 1800 
> miles.  The rears are getting a bit thin and will need to be retired soon. 
>
> Considerably down scale: 
> Vittoria Pave Evo CG 27MM purchased on sale after reading forum 
> recommendations.  Nice but I’m never drawn to them. 
> Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a 
> smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm. 
> Dugast Ghiros (32,33) purchased used.  Comparable to Steilacooms but I can 
> ride at lower pressure even though narrower.  Like the RR’s, tread pattern 
> not really ideal for most of the riding I do but got em cheap and wanted to 
> try them out.  They are on that backup bike now which

[RBW] FS: MUSA Shorts - Grey/Blue - 2XL - Old Style - $25 shipped

2020-04-01 Thread David B

Title says pretty much it all.

MUSA Shorts
I tried these on, probably should've gone for an XL, but sized up. Never 
used them, so like new. 
 Size 2XL.
Old style, as opposed to the newer versions.
Grey with navy blue gusset. 
Info here: 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/remainders-specials/products/musa-shorts
I paid $25 plus shipping.

Selling for $25 and I'll cover shipping.
Contact offlist if interested.
Paypal for payment.
Thanks,
David 
in River Grove, IL, apparently now cleaning out the dresser


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Re: [RBW] Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

Daniel: My 18-year-old daughter recently asked me to help her find a film
camera and "how to" books to augment her digital movie and drawing/painting
skills (majoring in film/movies at NWU). My brother just  lent her a film
camera and some"photography as art" books.She would be delighted to put
your film to good learner use.

LMK how I can expedite any exchange.

Thanks, Patrick Moore

On Apr 1, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Daniel D.  wrote:
>
> Awhile back because of Grant etc.  Thought about getting into film
> cameras.  Grabbed a deal on b/w film .  Wary of hobby creep and expense of
> developing i shelved the idea.  But still have the film in my fridge,
> expired date last year.  Someone's covid camera sale reminded me about that
> film.
>
> Came up with an idea for my stash of film. Send film out to people on here
> and maybe ibob.  Request in return, AT LEAST one photo from the pictures
> you take using the film. What do you guys think of my idea? If i decide to
> do it I'll start a new thread (s)
>
>
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---
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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: Rides Report - New MIT Atlantis

2020-04-01 Thread WETH

Steve,
That’s a great looking build and wonderful write up! I’m so pleased to learn 
how well it came together for you! Hope to see you around on the local trails 
sooner or later!
All the best,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

“ Do you add the sealant as a road side repair? Or change tires and add sealant 
at home? ”

Alan,I used to carry sealant and a spare but I decided injecting sealant was a 
messy enough job I wanted to wait until I got home.  I’ve never administered it 
on the road.  I now carry 2 spares.  At home, where it is easy to clean up, I 
add sealant when needed.  On my tour, I carried sealant and spares.

BillS

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Re: [RBW] Re: To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

Apologies for my not very helpful helpfulness. Sometimes my desire to help 
solve a bike problem runs up against the fact that 9-speed and v-brakes 
happened in the '90s and I'm still using that stuff. Doh! 

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Re: [RBW] Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

2020-04-01 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

Daniel:

I will be happy to shoot some of your film! I process BW at home, so it will be 
easy to shoot/process/scan.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Apr 1, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Daniel D.  wrote:
> 
> Awhile back because of Grant etc.  Thought about getting into film cameras.  
> Grabbed a deal on b/w film .  Wary of hobby creep and expense of developing i 
> shelved the idea.  But still have the film in my fridge, expired date last 
> year.  Someone's covid camera sale reminded me about that film.  
> 
> Came up with an idea for my stash of film. Send film out to people on here 
> and maybe ibob.  Request in return, AT LEAST one photo from the pictures you 
> take using the film. What do you guys think of my idea? If i decide to do it 
> I'll start a new thread (s)
> 
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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-04-01 Thread Alan Lavine

Do you add the sealant as a road side repair? Or change tires and add sealant 
at home?
Alan

> On Apr 1, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
> 
> “Tell me about sealant and tubulars.  Do you mean pressurized sealant in a 
> can like Vittoria, once you flat,or sealant you add preventively as routine?“
> 
> Alan,  I’m using effetto mariposa caffelatex.  It has no ammonia.  I was told 
> ammonia (in Stans?) will dissolve latex tubes.
> 
> I’ve read some use it preventatively but I wait for my first puncture before 
> adding it.  After that, it seems to do very well as a preventative although 
> there have been times where I’ve lost enough air that I had to add more air 
> on a ride and then the tire does just fine.  In one case, I was taking a 
> break with a friend and all of a sudden I heard the air escaping from a 
> previously sealed tire.  It didn’t go all the way flat so I spun it and aired 
> up again and finished the ride.  Figured the sealant gave way but then was 
> able to re-seal?  I don’t know if I am just lucky or if latex tubes generally 
> hold air after a puncture better than butyl but most of the punctures I have 
> had were not evident until the day after my ride.  Does anyone know about 
> that? I’ve never added sealant on a ride and, like I said, only had to change 
> one tire on the road due to puncture.  That was a cut that I had to patch.
> 
> Bill S
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[RBW] Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

2020-04-01 Thread Daniel D.

Awhile back because of Grant etc.  Thought about getting into film cameras.  
Grabbed a deal on b/w film .  Wary of hobby creep and expense of developing i 
shelved the idea.  But still have the film in my fridge, expired date last 
year.  Someone's covid camera sale reminded me about that film.  

Came up with an idea for my stash of film. Send film out to people on here and 
maybe ibob.  Request in return, AT LEAST one photo from the pictures you take 
using the film. What do you guys think of my idea? If i decide to do it I'll 
start a new thread (s)

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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

“Tell me about sealant and tubulars. Do you mean pressurized sealant in a can
like Vittoria, once you flat,or sealant you add preventively as routine?“

Alan, I’m using effetto mariposa caffelatex. It has no ammonia. I was told
ammonia (in Stans?) will dissolve latex tubes.

I’ve read some use it preventatively but I wait for my first puncture before
adding it. After that, it seems to do very well as a preventative although
there have been times where I’ve lost enough air that I had to add more air on
a ride and then the tire does just fine. In one case, I was taking a break
with a friend and all of a sudden I heard the air escaping from a previously
sealed tire. It didn’t go all the way flat so I spun it and aired up again and
finished the ride. Figured the sealant gave way but then was able to re-seal?
I don’t know if I am just lucky or if latex tubes generally hold air after a
puncture better than butyl but most of the punctures I have had were not
evident until the day after my ride. Does anyone know about that? I’ve never
added sealant on a ride and, like I said, only had to change one tire on the
road due to puncture. That was a cut that I had to patch.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Dirt Drop 10 Stem 26.o

2020-04-01 Thread RDS

Request fulfilled.  Thanks D

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 12:12:01 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
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> Looking for a Nitto Dirt Drop 10 stem w/ 26.0 clamp.  Contact off list.  
> Located in Georgia.
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Re: [RBW] Lovely Bicycle blogs again!

- (Someone chastised Waugh for claiming to be a Christian while being so nasty. 
He replied to the effect that, "Oh, if I weren't a Christian, I'd be far, far 
worse.") -

Hehe, I enjoyed that. I have a somewhat similar background to Waugh which I've 
never discussed here and won't now, but it holds true. I could be worse! 

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Re: [RBW] Lovely Bicycle blogs again!

There are hundreds if not thousands of cycling blogs of one sort or another
"out there," but, at least for my tastes, few that one really looks forward
to reading; the critical difference often (not always) being a certain
literary quality; and this quality depends far less on education and
learning than a certain wealth or "bigness," of imagination. The really
interesting cycling blogs are written by those who have a sufficiently
large view of life and the world outside of mere cycling. That is why, IMO,
one of the great epic cycling travel books, Miles from Nowhere, was
disappointing; the author simply hadn't the imaginative background -- hers
was moderately upper middle class American bourgeois -- to write about her
epic experiences in an interesting way.

OTOH, Velouria somehow brings a wealth of interior, if not exterior, human
experience to her cycling descriptions. Ditto Grant. He is interesting
because he is (I assume, judging by his writings) an interesting person.

At the cultural antipodes to Velouria is Dave Moulton, still blogging (Deo
gratias!) well into his 80s. Moulton is working-class Brit of the poor
(read his recent blog about the early 1950s flu epidemic!!) pre- and
immediately post-WWII generation, without any literary pretensions at all;
yet, again, IMO, he has a breadth of human outlook that make his (quite
honestly, somewhat illiterate) blogs very interesting; and I take into
account my own particular and very idiosyncratic interest in 1950s-1970s
working class Brit cycling culture.

As a general principle, a certain breadth of imagination, that I cannot
define, makes some bloggers interesting, while others, well qualified in so
many ways, are not. Extending this to travel writing, of which I've read a
great deal: Paul Theroux and Evelyn Waugh are or were nasty misanthropes
--tho' perhaps Waugh *per *accidens* while Theroux -- sadly -- essentially,
but their travel writings are interesting to read because they bring to
their observations a context extending far beyond the details of the mere
particular experiences they describe. Theroux comes across as a nasty SOB,
but here too, his cultural or, let's just say, his *mental* amplitude makes
even his misanthropic observations interesting, if not acceptable.

Back to Lovely Bicycle: I expect that Velouria and I share very little in
basic presuppositions of the true and real and the good, but she seems to
have a human amplitude that makes me, at least, exult that her blog is at
least momentarily back for perusal.

 * (Someone chastised Waugh for claiming to be a Christian while being so
nasty. He replied to the effect that, "Oh, if I weren't a Christian, I'd be
far, far worse.")

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> I saw this on the iBob and thought you non-Bobbers (there's a few) would
> be interested. Hey, remember when I got in that big fight over there
> because I defended her not announcing the end of her cycling blog? That was
> great fun. Here's a new one which may or may not continue to be about
> bikes, it starts with knitting a jersey. Welcome back, Velouria! ♥️
>
>
> https://www.pancogcycle.com/blog/cycling-jersey-that-got-me-pregnant
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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-04-01 Thread alan lavine

Tell me about sealant and tubulars.  Do you mean pressurized sealant in a 
can like Vittoria, once you flat,or sealant you add preventively as routine?

Thanks,
Alan NYC

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 2:31:08 PM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Oh, I think Vittoria(?) produces a 50mm tubular under another brand name 
> which I forget.  Somebody does but, nonetheless, tire choices do seem to be 
> quite limited.
>
> Bill S
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[RBW] Lovely Bicycle blogs again!

I saw this on the iBob and thought you non-Bobbers (there's a few) would be 
interested. Hey, remember when I got in that big fight over there because I 
defended her not announcing the end of her cycling blog? That was great fun. 
Here's a new one which may or may not continue to be about bikes, it starts 
with knitting a jersey. Welcome back, Velouria! ♥️


https://www.pancogcycle.com/blog/cycling-jersey-that-got-me-pregnant

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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

Oh, I think Vittoria(?) produces a 50mm tubular under another brand name which 
I forget.  Somebody does but, nonetheless, tire choices do seem to be quite 
limited.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

Dugast sells mtb tubulars. Looks like they have a 52mm tire for sale. I’ve
exchanged emails with the usa dealer and I think he pretty much said tell me
what you want and they’ll make it at no extra cost to the admittedly high price
of their tires.

I’ve never ridden tubeless and have no interest so can’t comment on how they
compare. One of the guys I rode with last year on GDMBR was on tubeless and
was the only one of the 3 of us to have tire issues. One of his tires blew
out. Fortunately, we were close to the highway and he luckily caught a ride
into the nearest town which did not have needed replacement but, again luckily,
he was able to get one delivered from another town and was back on the road the
next day. He said it took 4 people to get the new tire mounted with a tube.
They must have pinched it because it went flat the next day and it took the 3
of us to replace the tube. I was not impressed.

It may be a silly thought but, I just wanted to see if doing something like
GDMBR on tubulars would be feasible. I’ve done two one week trips and for that
I think they just might work. Wouldn’t think of doing it all in one ride on
tubulars, at least not until I had been able to do a week or so on them
successfully. I’ve only done a little bit of off road, rough stuff on the RR’s
so far and not loaded so that experiment is in very early stages. If not for
this curiosity I wouldn’t even be thinking 50mm tires. For a mixture of
unloaded road and normal gravel/dirt (whatever that might mean), I’m thinking
any tubular between 30-40mm should be most adequate and provide as much comfort
as anything. As for comparing the 50mm clinchers to the 50mm tubulars (both of
which actually measure at 47 for me) with extremely limited experience yet, I
want to say 30-35 psi is as low as I want to go on the road. Off road I think
I can probably go lower on the tubulars and feel like I get better float and a
less harsh ride with better traction. More experimenting to do there. The
Mondials are almost 2 lbs each without tubes but have been bomb proof. The
RR’S are lighter and so are the tubular wheels but I’m betting the RR’s are not
bomb proof. Don’t know how the risk reward is going to play out yet but I’m
having fun (can you tell?)!

Bill S

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[RBW] Today's blog is the best

2020-04-01 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

Today has to be the best day of the year so far.  Jan has such great ideas:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

Another tubular question: is the Racing Ralph the only tubular at least 50
mm wide? A quick Google found nothing.

One downside -- right? -- to switching to the 50 mm RR tubulars would be to
lock yourself into a single model made by a single supplier; rather as I
have done with my Riv Roads, tho' mitigated with the new frame by a design
that can take the Nachez Pass, too.

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Re: [RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

This is very interesting, since -- next year, God willing -- I hope to get
that Libertas frameset refurbished and built, and I'd thought of using (for
the first time in my life) tubulars. Your experience matches what others
have said, that all else equal, you get fast + cushioned with narrower
tubulars compared to wired-ons.

Other Bill: I found this: 700C X 50 Racing Ralph tubulars:
https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/458

And these intrigue me too, because -- and here are the questions: could I
expect similar cush from 50 mm tubulars as with 60 mm tubless wired-ons?

and #2: Would tubular Racing Ralphs roll faster than wired-on Racing
Ralphs, all else equal?

Upshot: How would 700C X 50 RR tubulars compare in rolling resistance and
cushioning to 700C X 60 tubeless Big Ones?

One big advantage would be more clearance between tire and fender; but just
realized that, too, the RRs have knobs .. probably not good with fenders.
(I've little fear of fenders over the Big Ones even on twig-littered dirt).

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:30 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes,
> including my Atlantis, to tubular.  The Atlantis was the last and the only
> one with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms.  The rear hub is a Deore XT
> and the front a Shimano dynahub.  Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph
> 50mm tires on the Atlantis.  I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup
> and am quite happy with it.  Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000
> tubular miles.  I have changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture
> and one blowout of a used, rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding.
> Definitely easier than fixing a clincher on the road.  I have opened up two
> tires to repair punctures.  One was a used FMB purchased with the
> puncture.  Definitely a bit time consuming but not as bad as I expected and
> all part of the learning process and experience.  I am no longer
> intimidated by it.  Otherwise, my experience has been that if the tire will
> hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the trick.  If it
> can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess.  Open the tire up
> instead.  Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like
> riding tubeless.  I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got
> home.  I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front
> tires without sealant without suffering punctures.  I did a 400 mile tour
> in New England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a
> liability to my buddies.  Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant
> wouldn’t cure before I would have to worry about opening a tire.  There
> were 4 of us.  Two flats but none were mine.  The others were paranoid
> about riding off pavement on their clinchers but I had no fear and no
> problems. Around home, I was riding with one spare and sealant but have
> switched to two spares, saving sealant for home repairs.
>
> I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews.
> They are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing,
> mounting etc and now serve as spares.  They got me over the intimidation
> phase.  I really like Veloflex Vlaanderen tires.  They are 28mm and super
> comfortable and easy to mount.  I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in
> back.  I’m 170 lbs.  I picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm).
> They are absolutely dreamy.  I had them on a backup bike which became not a
> backup.  I finally took them off wanting to save them for a planned tour
> this fall  (ha - good luck with that).  The bike has fallen back to backup
> status.  I was riding those at 30/35!  At the pressures I’ve been riding
> tubulars I would be pinch flatting clinchers and not tolerating the
> squishy, lack of control feeling.  I was just never able to dial in any
> clincher (including Compass) for comfort and road feel.  I have been
> quietly wondering why Jan was not offering tubulars and am glad he now is.
> I, so far, will agree that there is little need to go wider than a tubular
> in the 30’s for comfort.  I can ride the FMB’s at the same pressure as the
> 50mm Racing Ralphs and they are more comfortable and have much better feel
> on the road but the RR’s do provide much better float for rough stuff,
> sand, or mud.
>
> Here is how I would rate the tires I have purchased - none at MSRP(just to
> address the expense issue a bit):
>
> FMB Sprint purchased used.  Dreamy and probably worth MSRP, as high as it
> is
> Veloflex Vlaanderen, 2 sets purchased on sale.  All 4 have around 1800
> miles.  The rears are getting a bit thin and will need to be retired soon.
>
> Considerably down scale:
> Vittoria Pave Evo CG 27MM purchased on sale after reading forum
> recommendations.  Nice but I’m never drawn to them.
> Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a
> smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm.
> Dugast Ghiros

Re: [RBW] Re: Semi-OT: chambray

2020-04-01 Thread Jay Lonner

I've only been to Cafe Velo once, and that was 2-3 years ago. I prefer do
my own wrenching, brew my own coffee, and make my own baked goods, so while
it appears to be a cool business it doesn't really fill a niche for me. I
went to Alleycat a few weeks back to buy some parts, and that place seems
interesting - I'd take a bike there for service. I also hear good things
about Earl's but have never been.

Sorry to the rest of the list for hyperlocal content, happy to take it
offline from here out.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:08 PM bo richardson  wrote:

> the best denim shirt i ever had was Stronghold denim from LA
> hugely expensive but on sale at orvis yers ago.
> i lost it half way through its work life.
> they have different colors now.
> sizing is wierd, although they may have it straightened out by now
> Bo Richardson
> Bellingham
>
> so Jay do you ever stop bu Cafe Velo?
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[RBW] Re: FFS - Silver 1 Shifters

2020-04-01 Thread Huston

Update: these have been quickly claimed.

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[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-04-01 Thread ted

Aren't cycle cross tires (uci sanctioned anyway) restricted to something 
like 33 or 35mm?
I think I've read that pro mtn bikers also use tubulars, though I've never 
seen em for sale. Perhaps they exist but are not generally available.

Back in the early 90's when I was still riding sew ups (got my first set in 
the late 70's) I had a hard time finding a shop in silicon valley that 
would rebuild my campi hi flange / arc en ciel wheels as tubulars. Shop 
after shop wanted me to go with mavic clincher rims. I finally stumbled 
onto uncle al on the north end of cupertino (i think) who of course made a 
fabulous job of it (built wheels for lemond too). He even spontaneously 
tied and soldered em cause it seemed like a nice classic touch for a 
classic pair of wheels.

I never thought tubulars were all that hard to deal with, and they 
definitely rode great. Also I never had a pinch flat or "snake bite". But 
eventually I've adopted more mainstream modern equipment and no longer ride 
sew ups or freewheel hubs. Except for a track bike, I don't think I would 
accept the expense and limited selection/availability of tires and rims 
that going back to sew ups would entail.

I do think its neat that some folks outside the pro racing scene are doing 
it though, and I look forward to hearing more about how they are doing with 
it.



On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> "Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a 
> smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm."
>
> I didn't realize there was a Racing Ralph tubular.  I looked it up and 
> there it is.  It's really cool to me that there is a Rivendell Atlantis out 
> there in the world running Cyclocross Racing Sewups!  
>
> Anyway, the size I found was a 700x35.  You say you have a 700x50 version 
> of the Racing Ralph sewup?  Where did you buy it?  I'm SUPER intrigued by 
> that possibility, and it has the brain gears turning...
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:30:09 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes, 
>> including my Atlantis, to tubular.  The Atlantis was the last and the only 
>> one with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms.  The rear hub is a Deore XT 
>> and the front a Shimano dynahub.  Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph 
>> 50mm tires on the Atlantis.  I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup 
>> and am quite happy with it.  Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000 
>> tubular miles.  I have changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture 
>> and one blowout of a used, rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding. 
>>  Definitely easier than fixing a clincher on the road.  I have opened up 
>> two tires to repair punctures.  One was a used FMB purchased with the 
>> puncture.  Definitely a bit time consuming but not as bad as I expected and 
>> all part of the learning process and experience.  I am no longer 
>> intimidated by it.  Otherwise, my experience has been that if the tire will 
>> hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the trick.  If it 
>> can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess.  Open the tire up instead. 
>>  Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like riding 
>> tubeless.  I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got home. 
>>  I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front tires 
>> without sealant without suffering punctures.  I did a 400 mile tour in New 
>> England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a 
>> liability to my buddies.  Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant 
>> wouldn’t cure before I would have to worry about opening a tire.  There 
>> were 4 of us.  Two flats but none were mine.  The others were paranoid 
>> about riding off pavement on their clinchers but I had no fear and no 
>> problems. Around home, I was riding with one spare and sealant but have 
>> switched to two spares, saving sealant for home repairs. 
>>
>> I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews. 
>>  They are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing, 
>> mounting etc and now serve as spares.  They got me over the intimidation 
>> phase.  I really like Veloflex Vlaanderen tires.  They are 28mm and super 
>> comfortable and easy to mount.  I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in 
>> back.  I’m 170 lbs.  I picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm). 
>>  They are absolutely dreamy.  I had them on a backup bike which became not 
>> a backup.  I finally took them off wanting to save them for a planned tour 
>> this fall  (ha - good luck with that).  The bike has fallen back to backup 
>> status.  I was riding those at 30/35!  At the pressures I’ve been riding 
>> tubulars I would be pinch flatting clinchers and not tolerating the 
>> squishy, lack of control feeling.  I was just never able to dial in any 
>>

[RBW] WTB: Dirt Drop 10 Stem 26.o

2020-04-01 Thread RDS

Looking for a Nitto Dirt Drop 10 stem w/ 26.0 clamp.  Contact off list.  
Located in Georgia.

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[RBW] FFS - Silver 1 Shifters

2020-04-01 Thread Huston

With a recent upgrade to Silver 2 shifters, I have a set of Silver 1s that 
need a home.  The button head nylon washers are both broken but functional, 
and I used the large round/square washers with the Silver 2s.  But, the 
levers (link to pic here 
)
 
look pretty good after serving many years as bar ends.  I thought maybe 
someone from the RBW group could put these to good use.  Maybe replace a 
bar end that took the brunt of a drop?  If so, send me a PM and let me know 
if you need left, right, or both.  Free for shipping via PayPal F  Or, 
even better, I'll gladly trade for a Rivendell patch or some other Riv bit.

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[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Schwalbe-Racing-Ralph-Tubular-MTB-Tire-29x2-0-Black-with-PaceStar-Tread/303018970423?epid=26011375018=item468d568d37:g:WOMAAOSwWk5cL6XW

Damn, I offered him $50 a month or two ago and he turned me down! I think I
wound up buying them for $65 per tire (I think msrp is around $150!). I since
picked up a third for $20 that some non-bike seller was selling on ebay but
didn’t know the size. I took a chance and they were 622’s not 26” (which I
think are also available as tubulars) so that was a score and between the 3 I’m
at this current price. It is not clear to me whether Schwalbe is still making
these tires. Dugast also makes greater than 40mm tubulars and will even put
your choice of tread on at no extra cost, but they are expensive.

It seems the cyclocross guys sometimes sell their tires after the season so
that is how I’ve picked up the FMB’s and Dugasts. For me, it was a way to try
out the really high quality tires at a reasonable cost. Often they seem to be
with the entire wheel set though. I had read that going to a high quality
tubular over mid level was another quantum leap. As far as the FMB’s go, I
would say that is true but I don’t have enough miles on them to judge
durability and, besides, I got them used. I found the Vittoria Rally’s to be
on par with the Vittoria Open Pave clinchers. The Veloflex are a quantum leap
above that and the FMB’s another step up.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Home Office Edition. Rivendell Custom, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Wheels

2020-04-01 Thread Lyman Labry

Thanks!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:06 AM Karl Worley  wrote:

> Toyo is the builder Rivendell used in Japan.
>
> Karl
>
> On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Lyman Labry  wrote:
>
> What does Toyo mean?
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:48 AM Karl Worley  wrote:
>
>> Ahh I was doing ok until I saw you were selling a 650b Atlantis!! I have
>> been converted with a 650b Bombadil I bought a few months back. To the
>> point I ordered a Saluki in December from Rivendell!! The 700c Atlantis is
>> amazing. I rode one before I bought the frame. I have an 84pbh, and bought
>> a 56cm Toyo long ago. It always felt small to me. The extra 2cm plus the
>> larger tires felt great. I am glad she arrived safely! I forget where I got
>> the box, but it is pretty cool the way they rigged it up!
>>
>> K
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Matthew P 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 58 cm Toyo Atlantis received!
>> Bottom bracket stamped ATO819.  I think it arrived well.  I stuck in the
>> fork and two wheels (700c x 2") and stood over it and the fit feels great.
>> I look forward to building it up.  I'm looking for a 2x system to put on
>> it.
>> And I think I'll be selling my 56 cm 650b MUSA Atlantis (from Brencho).
>> Thank you Karl.
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:10:28 AM UTC-7, SurlyProf wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice to see those wheel mounts selling.  It's a clever design by one of
>>> my past Industrial Design students who picked up cycling right after he
>>> graduated.  Love seeing how entrepreneurial these kids are.
>>>
>>> John
>>> Niles, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 4:00:42 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:

 Took me a minute!
 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/409839826/offset-bicycle-wheel-storage

 Karl

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Re: [RBW] Home Office Edition. Rivendell Custom, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Wheels

2020-04-01 Thread Karl Worley

Toyo is the builder Rivendell used in Japan. 

Karl

> On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Lyman Labry  wrote:
> 
> What does Toyo mean?
> Thanks!
> 
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:48 AM Karl Worley  > wrote:
> Ahh I was doing ok until I saw you were selling a 650b Atlantis!! I have been 
> converted with a 650b Bombadil I bought a few months back. To the point I 
> ordered a Saluki in December from Rivendell!! The 700c Atlantis is amazing. I 
> rode one before I bought the frame. I have an 84pbh, and bought a 56cm Toyo 
> long ago. It always felt small to me. The extra 2cm plus the larger tires 
> felt great. I am glad she arrived safely! I forget where I got the box, but 
> it is pretty cool the way they rigged it up!
> 
> K
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Matthew P > > wrote:
>> 
>> 58 cm Toyo Atlantis received!  
>> Bottom bracket stamped ATO819.  I think it arrived well.  I stuck in the 
>> fork and two wheels (700c x 2") and stood over it and the fit feels great.
>> I look forward to building it up.  I'm looking for a 2x system to put on it.
>> And I think I'll be selling my 56 cm 650b MUSA Atlantis (from Brencho).
>> Thank you Karl.
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:10:28 AM UTC-7, SurlyProf wrote:
>> Nice to see those wheel mounts selling.  It's a clever design by one of my 
>> past Industrial Design students who picked up cycling right after he 
>> graduated.  Love seeing how entrepreneurial these kids are.
>> 
>> John
>> Niles, CA
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 4:00:42 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>> Took me a minute! 
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/409839826/offset-bicycle-wheel-storage 
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-04-01 Thread Bill Lindsay


"Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a 
smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm."

I didn't realize there was a Racing Ralph tubular.  I looked it up and 
there it is.  It's really cool to me that there is a Rivendell Atlantis out 
there in the world running Cyclocross Racing Sewups!  

Anyway, the size I found was a 700x35.  You say you have a 700x50 version 
of the Racing Ralph sewup?  Where did you buy it?  I'm SUPER intrigued by 
that possibility, and it has the brain gears turning...


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:30:09 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
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> Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes, 
> including my Atlantis, to tubular.  The Atlantis was the last and the only 
> one with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms.  The rear hub is a Deore XT 
> and the front a Shimano dynahub.  Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph 
> 50mm tires on the Atlantis.  I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup 
> and am quite happy with it.  Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000 
> tubular miles.  I have changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture 
> and one blowout of a used, rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding. 
>  Definitely easier than fixing a clincher on the road.  I have opened up 
> two tires to repair punctures.  One was a used FMB purchased with the 
> puncture.  Definitely a bit time consuming but not as bad as I expected and 
> all part of the learning process and experience.  I am no longer 
> intimidated by it.  Otherwise, my experience has been that if the tire will 
> hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the trick.  If it 
> can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess.  Open the tire up instead. 
>  Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like riding 
> tubeless.  I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got home. 
>  I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front tires 
> without sealant without suffering punctures.  I did a 400 mile tour in New 
> England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a 
> liability to my buddies.  Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant 
> wouldn’t cure before I would have to worry about opening a tire.  There 
> were 4 of us.  Two flats but none were mine.  The others were paranoid 
> about riding off pavement on their clinchers but I had no fear and no 
> problems. Around home, I was riding with one spare and sealant but have 
> switched to two spares, saving sealant for home repairs. 
>
> I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews. 
>  They are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing, 
> mounting etc and now serve as spares.  They got me over the intimidation 
> phase.  I really like Veloflex Vlaanderen tires.  They are 28mm and super 
> comfortable and easy to mount.  I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in 
> back.  I’m 170 lbs.  I picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm). 
>  They are absolutely dreamy.  I had them on a backup bike which became not 
> a backup.  I finally took them off wanting to save them for a planned tour 
> this fall  (ha - good luck with that).  The bike has fallen back to backup 
> status.  I was riding those at 30/35!  At the pressures I’ve been riding 
> tubulars I would be pinch flatting clinchers and not tolerating the 
> squishy, lack of control feeling.  I was just never able to dial in any 
> clincher (including Compass) for comfort and road feel.  I have been 
> quietly wondering why Jan was not offering tubulars and am glad he now is. 
>  I, so far, will agree that there is little need to go wider than a tubular 
> in the 30’s for comfort.  I can ride the FMB’s at the same pressure as the 
> 50mm Racing Ralphs and they are more comfortable and have much better feel 
> on the road but the RR’s do provide much better float for rough stuff, 
> sand, or mud. 
>
> Here is how I would rate the tires I have purchased - none at MSRP(just to 
> address the expense issue a bit): 
>
> FMB Sprint purchased used.  Dreamy and probably worth MSRP, as high as it 
> is 
> Veloflex Vlaanderen, 2 sets purchased on sale.  All 4 have around 1800 
> miles.  The rears are getting a bit thin and will need to be retired soon. 
>
> Considerably down scale: 
> Vittoria Pave Evo CG 27MM purchased on sale after reading forum 
> recommendations.  Nice but I’m never drawn to them. 
> Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a 
> smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm. 
> Dugast Ghiros (32,33) purchased used.  Comparable to Steilacooms but I can 
> ride at lower pressure even though narrower.  Like the RR’s, tread pattern 
> not really ideal for most of the riding I do but got em cheap and wanted to 
> try them out.  They are on that backup bike now which just does not draw me 
> like it did with the FMB’s 
>
> Schwalbe G-one 30mm purchased on sale and

Re: [RBW] Home Office Edition. Rivendell Custom, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Wheels

2020-04-01 Thread Lyman Labry

What does Toyo mean?
Thanks!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:48 AM Karl Worley  wrote:

> Ahh I was doing ok until I saw you were selling a 650b Atlantis!! I have
> been converted with a 650b Bombadil I bought a few months back. To the
> point I ordered a Saluki in December from Rivendell!! The 700c Atlantis is
> amazing. I rode one before I bought the frame. I have an 84pbh, and bought
> a 56cm Toyo long ago. It always felt small to me. The extra 2cm plus the
> larger tires felt great. I am glad she arrived safely! I forget where I got
> the box, but it is pretty cool the way they rigged it up!
>
> K
>
> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Matthew P 
> wrote:
>
> 58 cm Toyo Atlantis received!
> Bottom bracket stamped ATO819.  I think it arrived well.  I stuck in the
> fork and two wheels (700c x 2") and stood over it and the fit feels great.
> I look forward to building it up.  I'm looking for a 2x system to put on
> it.
> And I think I'll be selling my 56 cm 650b MUSA Atlantis (from Brencho).
> Thank you Karl.
> -Matthew
> San Diego
>
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:10:28 AM UTC-7, SurlyProf wrote:
>>
>> Nice to see those wheel mounts selling.  It's a clever design by one of
>> my past Industrial Design students who picked up cycling right after he
>> graduated.  Love seeing how entrepreneurial these kids are.
>>
>> John
>> Niles, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 4:00:42 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>>>
>>> Took me a minute!
>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/409839826/offset-bicycle-wheel-storage
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

2020-04-01 Thread Dorothy C

When I briefly had 42mm Panaracer Paselas on my 55 Cheviot it definitely felt 
like a faster ride, but unfortunately I got a rose thorn flat in the first week 
of having them on the bike. I switched out to Schwalbe Marathons because I 
often commute on the Cheviot (only a mile to work, but a flat would put a big 
delay on my getting there), and they feel more sluggish, though not as bad as 
the Kendas I originally had on the Appaloosa.

I agree with the steer with your hips not the handlebars comment. In fact I am 
being a bit too thrifty, probably, in still riding the *short* Brooks B17 I had 
on my previous cramped bike. I sometimes switch the seat post and saddle to a 
vinyl one (less fiddling if the seatpost is attached) if it is threatening a 
bit of rain, and I feel the effect of more responsive steering with that one. 
It is a Cannondale men's saddle we had in the parts box. I should probably just 
spring for the Brooks B17 full length like I have on the Appaloosa.

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Re: [RBW] Re: To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

2020-04-01 Thread Drw

Ok thanks all. Looks like I’ve got some tinkering to do.

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[RBW] FS 56cm 1992 RB-1 complete $650

2020-04-01 Thread Ed Felker

We bought this bike used and restored it to good running shape, and then it
sat in our indoors spare room. A fun bike to ride, but it's not being used
so time to go!

Sold as is. Original Ultegra/600 7-speed drivetrain and hubs, plus Shimano
Ultegra/600 dual pivot brakes. We added a new chain, Shimano RL400 brake
levers, Nitto 44cm Noodle handlbar and Technomic 8 cm stem. It's in full
working condition.

See a full set of photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gersema/albums/72157713698302611

No dents. The paint is fair, with a number of small scratches, some that
were touched up by the previous owner. Decals are not all intact; note no
headtube decal. Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires are not new.

Pedals not included.

Shipping is via Bikeflights at buyer's expense through College Park
Bicycles in College Park, Md.; expect approximately $40 boxing fee in
addition to cost to ship.

Thanks for looking! Riv list readers get first opportunity, next will be
CL.

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes, 
including my Atlantis, to tubular.  The Atlantis was the last and the only one 
with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms.  The rear hub is a Deore XT and the 
front a Shimano dynahub.  Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph 50mm tires on 
the Atlantis.  I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup and am quite happy 
with it.  Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000 tubular miles.  I have 
changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture and one blowout of a used, 
rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding.  Definitely easier than fixing a 
clincher on the road.  I have opened up two tires to repair punctures.  One was 
a used FMB purchased with the puncture.  Definitely a bit time consuming but 
not as bad as I expected and all part of the learning process and experience.  
I am no longer intimidated by it.  Otherwise, my experience has been that if 
the tire will hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the 
trick.  If it can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess.  Open the tire 
up instead.  Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like 
riding tubeless.  I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got 
home.  I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front tires 
without sealant without suffering punctures.  I did a 400 mile tour in New 
England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a liability 
to my buddies.  Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant wouldn’t cure 
before I would have to worry about opening a tire.  There were 4 of us.  Two 
flats but none were mine.  The others were paranoid about riding off pavement 
on their clinchers but I had no fear and no problems. Around home, I was riding 
with one spare and sealant but have switched to two spares, saving sealant for 
home repairs.

I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews.  They 
are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing, mounting etc and 
now serve as spares.  They got me over the intimidation phase.  I really like 
Veloflex Vlaanderen tires.  They are 28mm and super comfortable and easy to 
mount.  I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in back.  I’m 170 lbs.  I 
picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm).  They are absolutely 
dreamy.  I had them on a backup bike which became not a backup.  I finally took 
them off wanting to save them for a planned tour this fall  (ha - good luck 
with that).  The bike has fallen back to backup status.  I was riding those at 
30/35!  At the pressures I’ve been riding tubulars I would be pinch flatting 
clinchers and not tolerating the squishy, lack of control feeling.  I was just 
never able to dial in any clincher (including Compass) for comfort and road 
feel.  I have been quietly wondering why Jan was not offering tubulars and am 
glad he now is.  I, so far, will agree that there is little need to go wider 
than a tubular in the 30’s for comfort.  I can ride the FMB’s at the same 
pressure as the 50mm Racing Ralphs and they are more comfortable and have much 
better feel on the road but the RR’s do provide much better float for rough 
stuff, sand, or mud.

Here is how I would rate the tires I have purchased - none at MSRP(just to 
address the expense issue a bit):

FMB Sprint purchased used.  Dreamy and probably worth MSRP, as high as it is
Veloflex Vlaanderen, 2 sets purchased on sale.  All 4 have around 1800 miles.  
The rears are getting a bit thin and will need to be retired soon.

Considerably down scale:
Vittoria Pave Evo CG 27MM purchased on sale after reading forum 
recommendations.  Nice but I’m never drawn to them.
Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a smoother 
tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm.
Dugast Ghiros (32,33) purchased used.  Comparable to Steilacooms but I can ride 
at lower pressure even though narrower.  Like the RR’s, tread pattern not 
really ideal for most of the riding I do but got em cheap and wanted to try 
them out.  They are on that backup bike now which just does not draw me like it 
did with the FMB’s

Schwalbe G-one 30mm purchased on sale and not yet ridden. Will soon replace a 
set of the veloflex

My conclusion:

Looking for that wider, softer, faster ride and worried about whether they will 
fit your frame?  Before you go buying a frame to fit those tires, try out 
tubulars.  Softer, better ride.  I do wonder about confirmation bias.  My 
answer - 

1. since switching to tubulars I have not had any saddle sores (which would 
sometimes plague me before)
2. Clincher days, Atlantis with 50mm Mondials was number one bike for rough 
pavement routes.  Now any bike with tubulars.  I found the 28mm veloflex just 
as comfortable as the 50mm clinchers on rough pavement. Atlantis riding time 
dropped dramatically when still wearing 50mm clinchers but is now back up since 
switch. 
3. When I find myself

Re: [RBW] Home Office Edition. Rivendell Custom, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Wheels

2020-04-01 Thread Karl Worley

Ahh I was doing ok until I saw you were selling a 650b Atlantis!! I have been 
converted with a 650b Bombadil I bought a few months back. To the point I 
ordered a Saluki in December from Rivendell!! The 700c Atlantis is amazing. I 
rode one before I bought the frame. I have an 84pbh, and bought a 56cm Toyo 
long ago. It always felt small to me. The extra 2cm plus the larger tires felt 
great. I am glad she arrived safely! I forget where I got the box, but it is 
pretty cool the way they rigged it up!

K

> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Matthew P  wrote:
> 
> 58 cm Toyo Atlantis received!  
> Bottom bracket stamped ATO819.  I think it arrived well.  I stuck in the fork 
> and two wheels (700c x 2") and stood over it and the fit feels great.
> I look forward to building it up.  I'm looking for a 2x system to put on it.
> And I think I'll be selling my 56 cm 650b MUSA Atlantis (from Brencho).
> Thank you Karl.
> -Matthew
> San Diego
> 
> 
> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:10:28 AM UTC-7, SurlyProf wrote:
> Nice to see those wheel mounts selling.  It's a clever design by one of my 
> past Industrial Design students who picked up cycling right after he 
> graduated.  Love seeing how entrepreneurial these kids are.
> 
> John
> Niles, CA
> 
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 4:00:42 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
> Took me a minute! 
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/409839826/offset-bicycle-wheel-storage 
> 
> Karl
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

2020-04-01 Thread Steve Palincsar


I don't know about the derailleurs capable of dealing with a 42T cassette.

However I do know that a Deore XT M751 SGS 9 speed rear derailleur works 
perfectly with both 9 and 10 speed indexed bar end shifters and will 
work just fine on a 9 speed 12-36 cassette that has been turned into a 
13-36 by replacing the 1st position 12T with a 1st position 13T 
sprocket.   I have two bikes with that derailleur and 9 speed bar ends 
with the 13-36, and I have one with 10 speed bar end shifters with a 10 
speed 12-32 cassette.


I also have friends with Shadow 9 speed MTB rear derailleurs and 10 
speed road shifters with 10 speed cassettes with 36T large sprockets.



On 4/1/20 1:47 AM, Drw wrote:

I’m surprised you’ve succeeded with a 9 speed road shifters with a wide 
cassette and mtb derailler in index mode. My own experience with this didnt 
work very well (and now that I’m reading, most internet advice says this won’t 
work).

I’m no expert, so I’ll defer, but you are saying a shimano index 9 speed road 
shifter will pull the same amount of cable to work a 42t mtn cassette+xt 
derailler?


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[RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

Speaking of such matters, here's mine at Joe Bell's awaiting paint. 

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 12:07:09 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> I've banged this drum elsewhere and I figure since I'm about to accept 
> delivery on one myself, I should ask and answer the question myself and see 
> what others have to say. 
> 
> I had a few things involved: 1. The basal arthritis (so far predominantly in 
> my right hand) has become enough of an issue that I can only ride bolt 
> upright. I even tried recumbents again but I just can't stick with them. 2. I 
> saw a custom on the Rivbike site that wasn't quite a diamond frame but not 
> quite a mixte, the toptube was somewhere in-between. I liked that look for a 
> low-stepover frame. 3. I'm not getting any younger (57) and my hand is 
> telling me my "ride a bike every day" years are numbered, so it was time to 
> jump if I was ever going to get that Rivendell Custom I've always dreamed of. 
> I asked Grant to design one that would get them Boscos way up there. 
> 
> I'd love to hear other's thoughts, plus this thread will serve as a spot for 
> pics of my new frame when it arrives. Who needs a custom?
> 
> Joe "I do I do!" Bernard 
> Marin County CA.

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[RBW] Re: To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

2020-04-01 Thread Nick Payne

On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:47:24 UTC+11, Drw wrote:
>
> I’m no expert, so I’ll defer, but you are saying a shimano index 9 speed 
> road shifter will pull the same amount of cable to work a 42t mtn 
> cassette+xt derailler? 

Prior to Shimano going 10-speed, road and MTB both used the same cable 
pull, so a 9-speed road shifter will correctly index with a 9-speed MTB 
derailleur across a 9-speed cassette - or vice versa.

With 10-speed, you can use a 10-speed road shifter and a 9-speed MTB 
derailleur to correctly index across a 10-speed cassette. I've successfully 
used an XT 9-speed SGS derailleur and 10-speed barend shifters to index 
across a 10-speed 11-40 cassette. Depending on the length of the derailleur 
tab on your dropout, it may work with 42t - only way to know is to try.

You can't use a 10-speed road shifter to index with 10-speed MTB 
derailleur, as Shimano changed the 10s cable pull for MTB components.

With 11-speed, Shimano road and MTB cable pulls are still different, and 
Shimano also changed the road cable pull, so the 11s road shifters won't 
correctly index anything with a 9- or 10-speed derailleur. However, the 
Ultegra and 105 GS 11-speed rear derailleurs will cope with an 11-40 
cassette, though officially they are only rated to 34t. So you can use an 
11-speed road shifter and road derailleur and still get pretty wide 
gearing. See for example, 
https://road.cc/content/feature/246424-how-get-ultra-low-gearing-gravel-bike-adventures
.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

2020-04-01 Thread Philip Williamson

That’s fantastic. 
Apparently they’re still making Westerns in Niles!

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

2020-04-01 Thread Surlyprof

I had a similar encounter on the bike trail the other day.  Traffic jam, 
Niles-style.
https://flic.kr/p/2iKMAcC

John
Niles, CA

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