[RBW] In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

[Philip Williamson]

I’ve recently built up two bikes with road-sized (26mm-ish) tires, and I love 
them. A Bontrager RoadLite 1x11, and a Pinarello cross bike set up as a flat 
bar singlespeed. So fun and sharp!

Philip
SantaRosa, CA 

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[RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

[Garth]

Conway, If the screw doesn't work out, one of those Wolf Roadlink derailleur 
tab extensions would also work. There's many brands of them but only the Wolf 
and Wheels Mfg. ones use a steel screw that I know of. 



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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

[ted]

Love my road bikes, also love my Bombadil.

Logged lots of miles on ~21 or 22mm tubulars, was on 26mm tires today. Yep, 
ride great. Probably wouldn't choose them for riding over the ridge in my 
local open space though.

Yes wide tires are just wider, well wider and taller. The wider tends to 
mean they sink in less on soft surfaces. That can be a good thing or a bad 
thing. The taller helps to avoid pinch flats at lower pressures. They also 
need lower pressure to give the same spring rate. At 20 psi the 50mm tires 
on my Bombadil are quite compliant. At 30 not so much. But at 20 psi short 
of going fast over bad deep dried out bovine hoof prints i'd never 
characterize its ride as "jarring as heck". Clearly your millage differs 
though. 

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 4:10:41 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>  
>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
> lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>
>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  
> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
> ! 
>
> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>
> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
> narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
> rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
> tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
> that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
> "soft" and cushy.
>
> Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to throw 
> on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use Suntour 
> XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective brake. 
> It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic wheels that 
> are on it. 
>
> Hooray for road-tire bikes !  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Paul M]

I believe the schematic shows an oval top tube. Starts at 25.4 then 
transitions to oval (28.6/22.2). Makes for a more comfortable place to sit 
while stopped.

On Monday, 8 June 2020 18:16:47 UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I also saw the drawing had a 25.4mm non-oversized top tube. I hope Riv 
> sticks with this spec. 
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020, Chris L > wrote:
>
>> The Gallop schematic that was posted on the Blahg a few months ago shows 
>> a 700c x 47 (724 mm diameter) tire specification.  I don't know if that 
>> type of schematic typically shows the biggest tire the bike is designed 
>> for. 
>>
>> I like this one.  I like the swooping top tube on the Gus and I like it 
>> on this bike.  The long front and rear makes for nice proportions.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>>>
>>> The September email update teases a new bike: the Charlie H Gallop. 
>>> PREDICTIONS! GO!
>>>
>>> Mine: MIT lugged road-ish bike with Cantis. 650B even at the largest 
>>> size. Level top tube, but fewer size options.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

[J L]

Conway,

I don’t know anything specific about the WTC extra long B screw but I have 
often installed a B screw from the bottom up. The head of the screw sticks out 
and can catch that b screw shelf. I just guess at the length needed and this 
often involves pulling the RD off the bike in order to install the screw.

Trial and error + a measurement ahead of time (x was too short so It should 
stick out more that x) makes this a quick, but not immediate fix. 

Hope that helps.

Jason

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> For context I have a deore 9 speed rear derailer on my wife's Roscoe Bubbe 
> mixte that used to shift across a sunrace 9 speed cassette with a 42t low 
> gear.  Then it stopped.
> 
> I checked the cable tension and adjusted the limit screws but no dice.  I 
> know it should not have worked in the first place so I bought a WTC extra 
> long b screw.  The way that the extra long b screw changed geometry there is 
> no way it will make contact with the derailer tab.
> 
> With that, the standard b screw barely makes contact with the derailer tab 
> when fully engaged.
> 
> What am I missing here?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> - Conway
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[RBW] Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

[Conway Bennett]

For context I have a deore 9 speed rear derailer on my wife's Roscoe Bubbe 
mixte that used to shift across a sunrace 9 speed cassette with a 42t low gear. 
 Then it stopped.

I checked the cable tension and adjusted the limit screws but no dice.  I know 
it should not have worked in the first place so I bought a WTC extra long b 
screw.  The way that the extra long b screw changed geometry there is no way it 
will make contact with the derailer tab.

With that, the standard b screw barely makes contact with the derailer tab when 
fully engaged.

What am I missing here?

Thanks in advance.


- Conway

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[RBW] Tell me about Wolf Tooth B Screws

[Conway Bennett]

For context I have a deore 9 speed test derailer on my wife's Roscoe Bubbe 
mixte that used to shift across a sunrace 9 speed cassette with a 42t low gear. 
 Then it stopped.

I checked cable tension and adjusted the limit screws but no dice.  I know it 
should not have worked in the first place so I bought an extra long b screw.  
The way that the extra long b screw changed geometry there is no way it will 
make contact with the derailer tab.

With that, the standard b screw barely makes contact with the derailer tab when 
fully engaged.

What am I missing here?

Thanks in advance.


- Conway

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[Nick Payne]

I said earlier that I travel with a phone and Sony RX100 as my cameras. 
I've just had a look back through an album of photos that I put together 
after our last European tour in 2018, and the great majority of photos I 
took using the phone. A lot of that is convenience, as it's a waterproof 
phone and sits in the map pocket of my handlebar bag - I also use it for 
navigation. So if I see something to photograph while riding, I can grab 
the phone and take the photo in a couple of seconds. About the only place 
where I consistently used the Sony was when photographing the world 
championship races in Innsbruck, where the burst mode and superior focusing 
capability of the Sony came to the fore.

Album here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eric Daume]

I also saw the drawing had a 25.4mm non-oversized top tube. I hope Riv
sticks with this spec.

On Monday, June 8, 2020, Chris L  wrote:

> The Gallop schematic that was posted on the Blahg a few months ago shows a
> 700c x 47 (724 mm diameter) tire specification.  I don't know if that type
> of schematic typically shows the biggest tire the bike is designed for.
>
> I like this one.  I like the swooping top tube on the Gus and I like it on
> this bike.  The long front and rear makes for nice proportions.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>>
>> The September email update teases a new bike: the Charlie H Gallop.
>> PREDICTIONS! GO!
>>
>> Mine: MIT lugged road-ish bike with Cantis. 650B even at the largest
>> size. Level top tube, but fewer size options.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Chris L]

The Gallop schematic that was posted on the Blahg a few months ago shows a 
700c x 47 (724 mm diameter) tire specification.  I don't know if that type 
of schematic typically shows the biggest tire the bike is designed for. 

I like this one.  I like the swooping top tube on the Gus and I like it on 
this bike.  The long front and rear makes for nice proportions.  



On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> The September email update teases a new bike: the Charlie H Gallop. 
> PREDICTIONS! GO!
>
> Mine: MIT lugged road-ish bike with Cantis. 650B even at the largest size. 
> Level top tube, but fewer size options.
>

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Re: [RBW] In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

[Patrick Moore]

The Franklin sounds intriguing; can you post a photo?

Your experience may well be due to tubing differences; I know that my
Matthews, built from thinwall, heat treated stuff compared to the
excessively stout tubing of the original Fargo, and with a delicately
shaped "French" curve instead of the Fargo's girder legs, rolls smoother
over small bumps -- washboard, eg -- with the same wheels and tires. But
tires and casings and widths and pressures can also cause this sort of
difference.

My own experience with tires fat and skinny -- from 19 mm (labeled; this
was at a time when I naively thought (1) skinnier was faster; (2) labeled
width was the actual width, and (3) labeled max press was the best press)
to 65 mm actual width (60 mm Big Apple regulars on 50 mm SnoCat SLs) -- is
that tire pressure, casing, and width all play a tortured, complex, and
often inscrutable ballet or fugue or minuet together, and that -- wala!! --
sometimes fatter tires feel **harder** than skinnier tires, and sometimes
thinskin, supple tires feel **harder** than thickwall utility tires. I'll
explain.

I'll start with an anecdote. For years I rode 26" X1" (559 X 22 mm actual
on my skinny rims) Specialized Turbos at 110 psi, later, wising up,
reducing that to 80/90 f/r. **These felt cushiony and smooth** as long as
you were riding over chipseal or small cracks and not our 6" to 8"
expansion cracks. OTOH, 35 mm Fatboys pumped to sidewall max (try that with
a Blackburn Airstick, 1990 model!) bounced you around on all but the
slickest pavement. Even reducing the Fatboys, and later similarly wide
Kojaks to 50 psi: sure, the 35s (32 actual) handled big cracks better, but
over rough, worn pavement? Nope, the 22s were at least as smooth if not
smoother.

Reasons? Well, suppleness for one thing, but also, tire pressure tradeoff.
The 22s at ~90 were so skinny, as well as supple, that they "gave" at each
little bump. The downside? Pinch flat and rim damage if you hit something
too big too hard. I personally am a delicate rider and never got pinch
flats on those tires, even with 40 lb rear loads (broke a spoke or 2,
though, with aluminum nipples and Revolutions). The Kojaks were smoother
than the Fatboys, but to get the same cush, you had to reduce the pressure
to almost -- **almost** -- wallowy softenss. 32 mm Paselas, light 240
grams, even worse; soft and they bounced; no bounce, and they jarred.

I recall swapping the 60 mm Big Apples, thick stout things, for very supple
Furious Freds (60 mm/50 mm, 900 grams versus 360 grams. 800 grams for the
BA "lite" model) and being disappointed that the FFs seemed to be as harsh
over bumps as the BAs. The reason was that, with the paper-thin sidewalls,
I had to pump them to at least 18 psi, while I often rode the BAs with
thicker sidewalls at 15. The balance between "soggy" and "harsh" was a
difficult one to achieve.

I switched to 60 mm Big Ones -- 90 grams heavier than the 50 mm FFs at 450
grams. Again, pump them hard enough to not lose control on fastish pavement
corners, and they are surprisingly harsh over bumps -- the minimum is about
18 psi, tho' I usually run them at 19-21 for less wallowing in pavement
corners.

Upshot of all this driveling: you can put fat tires on a bike and pump them
to the minimum psi to prevent wallow or bouncing, and you may find that
this minimum pressure makes them harsher than you'd think, to the point
where, in certain situations, a 32 mm supple tire at a pressure just high
enough to avoid bouncing or pinch flats actually feels softer over certain
bumps than a fatter tire at a lower pressure.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 5:10 PM Garth  wrote:

>
>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole
> lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a
> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from
> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs
> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel.
>
>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this
> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel
> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15 
> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure
> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for
> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out
> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and
> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun
> !
>
> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's
> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet
> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie
> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly
> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have
> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even 

[RBW] Re: Park Tool power lift shop stand free for pickup in San Diego

[Matthew P]

We got two of these into the hands of two shops working on a lot of ebikes.
Thank you.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 12:12:24 PM UTC-7, Matthew P wrote:
>
> Hello Riv-ers,
> There is a Park Tool power lift shop stand that is available free for 
> pickup in San Diego.
> https://www.parktool.com/product/power-lift-shop-stand-prs-33-2
> Local bike shops have declined to take it.
> Contact me if you are interested.
> -Matthew
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am constantly amazed how my QB with RH Stellacomb knobbies is nearly as 
plush a ride as my Hunqapillar (with liteskin Schwalbe 2.1" Racing Ralphs) 
and GBW with 2.8" Nobby Niks. Fork flex is a huge part of this. Viewing the 
Hunqapillar as parallel to your Bomba, I don't like any tires but the 
liteskin on it ... not a supple ride.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:10:41 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>  
>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
> lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>
>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  
> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
> ! 
>
> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>
> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
> narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
> rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
> tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
> that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
> "soft" and cushy.
>
> Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to throw 
> on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use Suntour 
> XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective brake. 
> It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic wheels that 
> are on it. 
>
> Hooray for road-tire bikes !  
>
>
>

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[RBW] In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

[Joe Bernard]

I had a Roadini for a while with 33mm Jack Brown's, and a Seven ti frame with 
28 something-or-others. They were great fun in a particular way fatter-tire 
bikes can't duplicate. I wouldn't pick that vibe as my only bike, but I like 
em!   

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

[Bill Lindsay]

I did a little bit of internet research since Patrick Moore sometimes 
struggles with this.  I also put my hands on some of my own stock.  I have 
the following items to report:

I own a brand new SRAM PG950 cassette in 11-34.  It disassembles into 
individual cogs and the 11-34 includes a 20.  I disassembled mine to 
confirm it.  You can sometimes find a PG950 for as little as $20.  Here is 
a link to the SRAM page that lists all the cogs.  My guess is Patrick Moore 
would use at most 3 of the 9 cogs, so it might be too expensive for him:

https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/CS-PG-950-A1

I own several Deore XT 10 speed 11-32 cassettes.  There are two carriers, 
with three cogs each.  The smaller of the two carriers has a 18-20-22, 
permanently and inextricably attached to a carrier.  Even though Patrick 
Moore needs a 20 and a 22, I suspect he cannot stomach the jump from 18 to 
20.  The four remaining loose cogs would be 11, 12, 14 and 16, so Patrick 
Moore could possibly get 5 usable cogs out of a $50 cassette.  

I researched the cheap Shimano HG-500 10 speed cassette.  I am 95% sure it 
can be completely disassembled into individual cogs, and it costs $37 at 
Jenson USA.  The full cog progression is:11-12-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32

I recommend you put your hands on a 10-speed HG500 and confirm you can 
either unscrew a pin or grind off a rivet to get the cogs apart.  If you 
can, then you could get a bunch of matched 10-speed spacers plus as many as 
6 great cogs all for $37.  Once you confirm that you can take it apart, you 
should buy 4 of them.  

Here is the Jenson USA link:  
https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-HG-500-10-Speed-Cassette

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA



On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 12:50:11 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've been beating my head against the supply chain, vendor stockage, and 
> data-dearth obstacles to finding 10 speed cassettes without spiders with a 
> 20 t middle and 25 t outer, or 13-20 + 22 and 25 10 sp loose cogs, so at 
> least for now the strategy is to stick with 9 (14-25 instead of 13-25) so 
> that I can use 9, 8, 7, or even Uniglide cogs to build my cassettes -- 
> (13)-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-25. 
>
> Friendly listers have suggested eBay, Spanish, US, and British sources, 
> but neither cassettes nor all cogs are available.
>
> I can find dozens of 14 thru19 cogs; 20s and 22s and 25s are less common.
>
> Point: If you have 20s or 22s or 25s to sell, please advice. (Need not be 
> new, but must be little worn.)
>
> I will also buy any 13 t outermost or 14 t outermost that you have for 
> sale.
>
> Thanks
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[RBW] In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

[Garth]

 
 I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 

 speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this bike 
literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel roads 
with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  and my 
Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure is 
jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for me 
to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
! 

I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 

Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
"soft" and cushy.

Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to throw 
on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use Suntour 
XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective brake. 
It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic wheels that 
are on it. 

Hooray for road-tire bikes !  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eric Daume]

I just sold two bikes, so my bike fund is pretty flush right now. This CHG
is looking pretty good to me.

Fat tires and rim brakes and longish chainstays and a high bar position are
a pretty tough combo to find.

I even kind of like the top tube. It swoops in the correct direction,
unless some stylish cruisers that arc the top tube up. No sense in that.

Now to see if my bike fund balance lasts until orders are ready... and
hoping this is priced more like a Clem and less like a GBW.

Eric

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:29 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Seen in Sal's instagram stories... reasonably good chance this is the
> prototype based on the geo diagram from an old blahg post. I'm not sold on
> the top tube yet, but like most Rivendell innovations, they take a while to
> absorb for me.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

[Garth]

Oh yes  I had some fun with the shopping cart shipping estimator. It 
didn't take many cogs, just cogs alone, to get the price of USPS shipping 
over $80 ! 

Really ?  Haha ! 


On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:52:59 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, Garth; I checked their site this morning, but shipping is 
> prohibitive. I'll keep an eye out on Bikeinn and the British vendor I 
> mentioned, hoping that supplies and shipping will get more or less back to 
> normal before too long.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:09 PM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I remember seeing these from Bikeinn  This is not a good time to buy 
>> from Europe right now as shipping prices have been inflated due to less 
>> airplane travel. Usually they are not this high. 
>>
>> FWIW  
>>
>> 13t  
>> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-primato-8-9-v-shimano-ferst-position/136062314/p
>>
>>
>> 20,22t  
>> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-10s-shimano/136062307/p
>>
>> Mid position 13's also 
>>
>>
>> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-primato-8-9s-shimano/136062315/p
>>
>> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-10s-shimano/136836993/p
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[CB]

Flip your curved seat stays and you might be looking at an s-curve when 
combined with the swoop tube.
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On June 8, 2020 2:46:42 PM PDT, "A. Douglas M."  wrote:
>The more I look at it, the more I understand it’s the contrast between
>the lone swoop and all the straight tubes that my eyes dislike. I think
>if the bike had more swoops, it would blend better. 
>
>
>I even made an awful drawing to illustrate.
>
>Best,
>
>Aaron
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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

[Garth]

  Hooray !  Glad to help . 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[André P]

I could see it looking really amazing with decals. I tend to like riv's 
built up with a certain amount of "greebles." Bags, lights, racks (in 
moderation) all really make a more built up riv pop over a stripped down 
build (to me). Maybe Grant will do large clem swoop stays on larger models?

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 2:46:42 PM UTC-7, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>
> The more I look at it, the more I understand it’s the contrast between the 
> lone swoop and all the straight tubes that my eyes dislike. I think if the 
> bike had more swoops, it would blend better. 
>
>
> I even made an awful drawing to illustrate. 
>
> Best, 
>
> Aaron

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Garth; I checked their site this morning, but shipping is
prohibitive. I'll keep an eye out on Bikeinn and the British vendor I
mentioned, hoping that supplies and shipping will get more or less back to
normal before too long.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:09 PM Garth  wrote:

>
> I remember seeing these from Bikeinn  This is not a good time to buy
> from Europe right now as shipping prices have been inflated due to less
> airplane travel. Usually they are not this high.
>
> FWIW 
>
> 13t
> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-primato-8-9-v-shimano-ferst-position/136062314/p
>
>
> 20,22t  https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-10s-shimano/136062307/p
>
> Mid position 13's also
>
> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-primato-8-9s-shimano/136062315/p
>
> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-10s-shimano/136836993/p
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[A. Douglas M.]

The more I look at it, the more I understand it’s the contrast between the lone 
swoop and all the straight tubes that my eyes dislike. I think if the bike had 
more swoops, it would blend better. 


I even made an awful drawing to illustrate.

Best,

Aaron

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

[A. Douglas M.]

I’d love to see pictures when you’re done, Deacon! I have a Cigne waiting on a 
drop bar 29er build but am interested in what they look like with upright bars.

Best,

Aaron

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[CB]

I guess I should have said "this kinda looks like..." Thinking is always 
clearer once you see your words in print.
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On June 8, 2020 2:24:49 PM PDT, Pancake  wrote:
>Grant's earlier description was: it's like a Sam Hillborne but fits
>wider 
>tires, has at least a swooping tube like the Suzie, and takes v-brakes.
>
>Sounds similar to this photo. 
>I'd like to see it with the fattest tires, some Losco bars, and swoopy
>seat 
>stays like the Clem. It'd be extra swoopy for form (matching or flowing
>
>from the top tube swoopiness) and function (getting that leg over
>doesn't 
>get easier with time). A little less toe overlap than my 56cm double
>top 
>tube Sam plus v-brakes and classy swoops ... that'll be sweet! Great
>look 
>at the progress on this prototype, like the dirt drop stem for sure. 
>
>Abe
>
>On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 10:44:36 AM UTC-7, tuolumne bikes wrote:
>>
>> Maybe another way to say it: this is a modern Rivendell redesign of
>the 
>> All-Rounder with long stays and swoop tube.
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Specialties TA Handlebar Bottle Cage

[C.J. Filip]

Thanks to John for offering his TA bottle cage!  Found what I need.

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Pancake]

Grant's earlier description was: it's like a Sam Hillborne but fits wider 
tires, has at least a swooping tube like the Suzie, and takes v-brakes. 
Sounds similar to this photo. 
I'd like to see it with the fattest tires, some Losco bars, and swoopy seat 
stays like the Clem. It'd be extra swoopy for form (matching or flowing 
from the top tube swoopiness) and function (getting that leg over doesn't 
get easier with time). A little less toe overlap than my 56cm double top 
tube Sam plus v-brakes and classy swoops ... that'll be sweet! Great look 
at the progress on this prototype, like the dirt drop stem for sure. 

Abe

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 10:44:36 AM UTC-7, tuolumne bikes wrote:
>
> Maybe another way to say it: this is a modern Rivendell redesign of the 
> All-Rounder with long stays and swoop tube.

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Ray Varella]

Has anyone asked how fat of a tire it will fit?
Fat is the new skinny

Ray

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

[Garth]

I remember seeing these from Bikeinn  This is not a good time to buy 
from Europe right now as shipping prices have been inflated due to less 
airplane travel. Usually they are not this high. 

FWIW  

13t  
https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-primato-8-9-v-shimano-ferst-position/136062314/p


20,22t  https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-10s-shimano/136062307/p

Mid position 13's also 

https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-primato-8-9s-shimano/136062315/p

https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/miche-sproket-10s-shimano/136836993/p



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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Garth, for the win! I'd forgotten to check Velo Orange. 7cm reach Cigne, on 
the way. I've already shifted back to the wavy bars, and their shallower 
angle feels much better. Lighter too. Thank you, Garth!

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 3:00:28 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> This can raise your existing stem and it's inexpensive... and of all the 
> threadless risers this one actually looks alright . You'll still need to 
> use some spacers at full height of course. All this while still offering 
> some vertical adjustemnt.
>  
>  
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/27306-soma-stem-high-rider-threadless-stem-riser-2609?category=983
>  .
>
> With that alone you may or may be able to keep your existing stem, 
>
>
> Also, Velo Orange has their Cigne arc style stem , 70mm is in stock. All 
> of Crusts are out of stock. 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/cigne-stem?variant=51377292743
>
>
>
>  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Sal]

Yes, it's more road bike than not. I have no idea why but I love the swoop, 
and the silver. I'll see if I can take more pictures for y'all to ponder, 
but there are significant changes still in the works from what I gather. So 
for all we know the swoop might go and I'll have to buy the prototype. 

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Joe Bernard]

I think it looks not great which means after some paint and graphics I'll love 
it and want one. Not my first roadeo people! 

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[RBW] ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

[Patrick Moore]

I've been beating my head against the supply chain, vendor stockage, and
data-dearth obstacles to finding 10 speed cassettes without spiders with a
20 t middle and 25 t outer, or 13-20 + 22 and 25 10 sp loose cogs, so at
least for now the strategy is to stick with 9 (14-25 instead of 13-25) so
that I can use 9, 8, 7, or even Uniglide cogs to build my cassettes --
(13)-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-25.

Friendly listers have suggested eBay, Spanish, US, and British sources, but
neither cassettes nor all cogs are available.

I can find dozens of 14 thru19 cogs; 20s and 22s and 25s are less common.

Point: If you have 20s or 22s or 25s to sell, please advice. (Need not be
new, but must be little worn.)

I will also buy any 13 t outermost or 14 t outermost that you have for sale.

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[RBW] FS: Big Agnes Tent, Bag and Pad

[Will Ashe]

Hi Folks, 

Cross post from iBob. I'm selling my Big Agnes Fly Creek HV UL2 tent, Fish 
Hawk 30* long bag, and QCore SLX long pad. All are in good-to-great 
condition with no holes or tears. The bag and pad are a part of BA's sleep 
system, meaning the bag has a place for the pad, keeping under you while 
you sleep.

I'd like to get $450 shipped for the set, but I'm willing to split the up 
the tent and sleep system. 

Best, 
Will in Austin

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[A. Douglas M.]

I agree, Carl; it is a good reason to celebrate! I’m sure the Gallop rides 
blissfully. I like the swoop on the Clems, I like the swoop on the Atlantis, I 
like the diagotube on the Hunq. I’m just not finding this swoop to look good to 
my eyes. 

I guess that makes me a retrogrouch. 

Best,

Aaron

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini - Orange and Athena!

[Jason Fuller]

SAME EXACTLY!  

On Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:05:13 UTC-7, dstein wrote:
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> Awesome! Glad it sold and I don't have to keep thinking about this bike 
> that fits me and I want at a great price but totally don't need.
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[RBW] Welcome New Bike Riders PSA

[Doug Hansford]

This is a cool video that was made in response to the recent surge in 
bicycle sales. Phil Gaimon has advice for new riders as well as experienced 
cyclists about how to treat the newcomers.
Doug Hansford

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=21515138?utm_medium=email_campaign=ed94_content=iss110-pc2_source=threadloom

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[tuolumne bikes]

Maybe another way to say it: this is a modern Rivendell redesign of the 
All-Rounder with long stays and swoop tube.

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[tuolumne bikes]

Maybe I'm more sensitive to this than most due to my short torso, but this 
looks like a new bike designed for widish tires and drops. Isn't that cause for 
celebrating? Rivendell has plenty of long top tube bikes. I would probably 
still wind up with Northroads or Albastache on this because I'm a freak, but 
this geometry looks to add some diversity to the lineup for folks that don't 
want Boscos on everything.

Carl

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[aeroperf]

I use a Panasonic Lumix LX-3.  See my posts in “Just Pics from Your Good 
Ride Thread” for examples.
It has a very good Leica f2.0 lens and auto stabilization, thank goodness, 
because it is tough to take a good photo from a moving bike.
It only weighs 9.5 ounces.  I post process with the Panasonic correction 
application that takes out lens aberrations - pincushion, etc.
I carry it with the strap around my neck, shortened so it doesn’t swing 
into the handlebars.  Like Scott, I don’t use a lens cover on the ride.

My wife carries a Canon EOS Xsi DSLR with an EF-S 17-85 lens.  It weighs 2 
pounds 5 ounces and she has to stop and use both hands for a good shot - it 
is stabilized but too heavy for a one-hand shot.  That said, her photos are 
visibly better than mine.

I have not had great luck using a phone.  So it stays in the bag on the 
back of my bike, in case of emergency.

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[RBW] Re: Golden Pliers Roadini Raffle

[Scott Calhoun]

Looks like they were north of 10k before the weekend started. 

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 11:29:23 AM UTC-7, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. I bought 2 tickets. 
>
> Best regards,
> Matt Beecher
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[RBW] WTB Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 25.4

[David Wadstrup]

Hello,

My Susie is on the way and I'm in need of a stem for my Wavie bars.  I 
think some trial and error may be in order regarding fit, but a hunch tells 
me an 8cm Dirt Drop stem with a 25.4 clamp diameter might be just what I 
need.  Does anyone have one in good condition that they no longer need? 
 Please let me know if so.

Thanks,

David

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[Scott Calhoun]

Forgot one important thing when choosing a cycling camera. A few years ago 
I did a long tour carrying a fixed lens Nikon with the little leaf-like 
plastic lens cover that opens and shuts when you turn the camera on and 
off. I kept the camera in a small relevate bag on my bars. I found that the 
lens cover would stick and not open and close fully when the camera got 
jostled around, got debris in there, etc. Same for another Sony I owned. 
For that reason, I prefer a camera without any lens cover that you can 
screw an ND filter onto and not worry about a lens cover or cap. If you are 
less rough on your cameras, this might not be a problem, but for me, the 
odds of some peanut shell or oatmeal duff getting lodged in that lens cover 
mechanicism has proven high. 

Scott

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 8:38:55 AM UTC-7, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> I really like compact mirrorless cameras, and currently use a Panasonic 
> Lumix GM5. At the time I bought it a few years ago, it was the smallest 
> interchangeable lens mirrorless camera on the market (bar of soap size 
> body). It has a solid feeling mostly metal body and the quality of 
> construction seems great IMO. Panasonic makes a Leica that looks almost 
> identical, so I consider this a poor man's Leica. I suppose the Leica has 
> different software or some other tweaks, but I don't really know. There 
> might be something smaller now. It uses the micro 4/3 system lenses. I have 
> a couple of primes that are nice for cycling. One complaint is that the 
> stock lens it comes with, a 12-32mm, has to be rotated about an 1/8 of a 
> turn to be in shooting mode--if you shoot while riding, this is a problem. 
> For that reason, I purchased a couple of primes: a Lumix 20mm 1.7 and an 
> Olympus Zuiko 45mm 1.8. The 20mm lens is good for all around landscape and 
> street shots and cycling stuff--Zuiko 45mm is excellent for portraits. 
>
> I've also owned the first generation Fuji x100. I loved the quality of the 
> images and the film simulation modes, but the large size of the body and 
> really bad UI (not the manual controls, but the digital settings). 
>
> If I was buying again today, I might consider the Lumix LX100 2 with the 
> non-interchangable zoom. I find I don't change my lense as much as I 
> thought I would. Paul Brodek is really up on the Lumix line and cameras in 
> general so I hope he weighs in. 
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
>> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
>> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
>> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
>> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
>> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
>> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
>> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
>> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
>> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>>
>> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
>> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
>> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
>> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
>> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
>> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
>> heartier?).
>>
>> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
>> use it, etc?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>>
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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[Scott Calhoun]

I really like compact mirrorless cameras, and currently use a Panasonic 
Lumix GM5. At the time I bought it a few years ago, it was the smallest 
interchangeable lens mirrorless camera on the market (bar of soap size 
body). It has a solid feeling mostly metal body and the quality of 
construction seems great IMO. Panasonic makes a Leica that looks almost 
identical, so I consider this a poor man's Leica. I suppose the Leica has 
different software or some other tweaks, but I don't really know. There 
might be something smaller now. It uses the micro 4/3 system lenses. I have 
a couple of primes that are nice for cycling. One complaint is that the 
stock lens it comes with, a 12-32mm, has to be rotated about an 1/8 of a 
turn to be in shooting mode--if you shoot while riding, this is a problem. 
For that reason, I purchased a couple of primes: a Lumix 20mm 1.7 and an 
Olympus Zuiko 45mm 1.8. The 20mm lens is good for all around landscape and 
street shots and cycling stuff--Zuiko 45mm is excellent for portraits. 

I've also owned the first generation Fuji x100. I loved the quality of the 
images and the film simulation modes, but the large size of the body and 
really bad UI (not the manual controls, but the digital settings). 

If I was buying again today, I might consider the Lumix LX100 2 with the 
non-interchangable zoom. I find I don't change my lense as much as I 
thought I would. Paul Brodek is really up on the Lumix line and cameras in 
general so I hope he weighs in. 

Cheers,
Scott

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>

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Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

[Keith Weaver]

I would also suggest North Shore racks, another one that mounts the bikes
vertically: https://northshoreracks.com/racks/folding-nsr-6-bike/

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 7:29 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good folks in your neighboring Utah make this fiver-
> https://www.altaracks.com/product/alta-six-gpr-five-pack/
> -Kai
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[André P]

Her IG is https://www.instagram.com/flynnsaw/

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:24:18 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Who is Sal?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Deacon:

Have you thought about carrying your old cell phone? Or buying a used phone? 
Even without a SIM card, the cameras on phones still work. You can transfer the 
photos via Bluetooth or WiFi, or by plugging the phone into your computer. 

You can pick up a very nice used phone (especially Android phones) for very 
little money. Do that, and you’ll get the benefits of computational photography 
(using the power of the phone’s processor to create better photos) at a low 
cost and in a very slim package. Other pluses:

-Huge screen to compose shots
-Long battery life (with no SIM, you’re not running the phone’s cellular radio, 
after all)
-Will still run apps to edit the photos on the phone if you like

Just a thought.

Eric “Film Photography” Norris

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 4:12 AM, Christopher Cote  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, phone cameras are awfully convenient, and I always have mine on me. I 
> will admit that I have a hard time combining cycling and photography. When 
> I'm riding, I want to ride. If I want to take good pictures, I need to be 
> focused (pardon the pun!) and patient. I find that difficult when riding. 
> Also, I can drop my phone in my pocket, or a pouch I keep on one shoulder 
> strap of my Camelbak when mountain biking, and it's instantly accessible. If 
> I have to dig out my E-M10 from a backpack or saddlebag, it usually doesn't 
> happen. I have an Outer Shell camera strap that works well for casual road 
> rides and easy trail riding, but not for my favorite type of riding, 
> non-Rivendell style mountain biking. You know, the kind with "body armor", 
> suspension, etc.
> 
> I do enjoy it when I can successfully combine cycling and photography. I took 
> a wonderful ride a week or two ago with my Atlantis and E-M10 on some back 
> roads, and took the time to make some nice (IMO) pictures.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 8:12:41 PM UTC-4, eddietheflay wrote:
>> the big question is what will you do with the photos. many of us simply send 
>> them via the net to people we know or post on websites. how important is 
>> radical picture quality when looking on the average phone or tablet, or 
>> desktop monitor.
>> 
>> i too bout an EMIII a couple of years ago and realized photography was not 
>> going to be like my "all in" biking hobby, so bought great point and 
>> shoot...and it still sits a lot cuz me still gots me phone...which is with 
>> me nearly 100% of the time.
>> 
>>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
>>> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
>>> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
>>> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
>>> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
>>> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
>>> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
>>> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
>>> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
>>> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>>> 
>>> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are doing/using. 
>>> I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the qualities and 
>>> settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point and shoots 
>>> (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which are a step up 
>>> but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then the higher end 
>>> cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and heartier?).
>>> 
>>> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
>>> use it, etc?
>>> 
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>>> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[Leah Peterson]

Saddle is sold. Thanks, All.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Bump. Brooks now $120, shipped.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 27, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I don’t have a parts bin because I don’t like extra things taking up space 
>> that are not in use. Therefore, these things must go.
>> 
>> 1. Surly 24 pack rack. A poor man’s Nitto Basket Rack, I think. Rated for 
>> load up to 30 lbs. There has been a recall on this rack, so ask your LBS to 
>> get you the parts Surly made to fix the issue. Parts are free. Comes with 
>> all the bolts, struts and instructions.  $150, new, yours for $95, shipped.
>> 
>> 2. Brooks B17, Special. Try as I might, I have not been able to break this 
>> saddle in. I have a B17 Select, fits me just great, but this one? 900 miles 
>> and I still haven’t conquered it. Has copper plated rails that show a 
>> minimal amount of wear from being clamped onto my seat post. Lovely copper 
>> rivets set off by ebony leather. Retails for $170, yours for $130, shipped.
>> 
>> PM me if interested.
>> Thanks,
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Racks and hillibikes

[maxcr]

Interesting, that means my current rack config might actually work. I 
misread the geometry  chart, I used 
the 53 chainstay number which isn't correct, I need wheelbase. 

If I add chainstay and front-center, do I roughly get wheelbase?

Does anyone have details on the wheelbase number for a 50 Susie?

Max

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 3:56:41 AM UTC-4, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> I measured the medium demo Susie as having a 49.2" wheelbase.
>
> David Lipsky
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:15:15 PM UTC-7, maxcr wrote:
>>
>> Ok, two quick searches answered my own question. Smallest Susie has a 53” 
>> wheelbase, the basic Saris Freedom supports up to 48”, so I guess I need to 
>> order the long wb bar. 
>> Max
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[Steve Palincsar]

On 6/8/20 8:51 AM, eddietheflay wrote:
then a next question is if you shoot digital, how much if any post 
editing does one do?




In my case, always and ranging from minimal to extensive.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell handlebard rando bag (forgot the name)

[davecstein]

Yes, that’s it! I found this picture searching for it by that name. If someone 
else has one they are willing to part with, please PM me!



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> On Jun 8, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Takashi  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it's Sackville BarSack that you're looking for.
> And sorry, I'll NEVER let go of the one I have.
> 
> Takashi
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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[eddietheflay]

then a next question is if you shoot digital, how much if any post editing 
does one do?

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell handlebard rando bag (forgot the name)

[Takashi]

I think it's Sackville BarSack that you're looking for.
And sorry, I'll NEVER let go of the one I have.

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[Christopher Cote]

Yes, phone cameras are awfully convenient, and I always have mine on me. I 
will admit that I have a hard time combining cycling and photography. When 
I'm riding, I want to ride. If I want to take good pictures, I need to be 
focused (pardon the pun!) and patient. I find that difficult when riding. 
Also, I can drop my phone in my pocket, or a pouch I keep on one shoulder 
strap of my Camelbak when mountain biking, and it's instantly accessible. 
If I have to dig out my E-M10 from a backpack or saddlebag, it usually 
doesn't happen. I have an Outer Shell camera strap that works well for 
casual road rides and easy trail riding, but not for my favorite type of 
riding, non-Rivendell style mountain biking. You know, the kind with "body 
armor", suspension, etc.

I do enjoy it when I can successfully combine cycling and photography. I 
took a wonderful ride a week or two ago with my Atlantis and E-M10 on some 
back roads, and took the time to make some nice (IMO) pictures.







Chris





On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 8:12:41 PM UTC-4, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> the big question is what will you do with the photos. many of us simply 
> send them via the net to people we know or post on websites. how important 
> is radical picture quality when looking on the average phone or tablet, or 
> desktop monitor.
>
> i too bout an EMIII a couple of years ago and realized photography was not 
> going to be like my "all in" biking hobby, so bought great point and 
> shoot...and it still sits a lot cuz me still gots me phone...which is with 
> me nearly 100% of the time.
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
>> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
>> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
>> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
>> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
>> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
>> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
>> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
>> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
>> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>>
>> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
>> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
>> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
>> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
>> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
>> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
>> heartier?).
>>
>> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
>> use it, etc?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Mark Roland]

I have heard that the tubeless setup has gotten much less fussy for most 
combinations of tubeless-ready equipment, even for non-bike shop people. 
And agree that it's helpful to have a bicycle that you feel comfortable 
moving around. Enjoy, and maybe we'll be able to pull off another East 
Coast meetup, seeing as how it would be in the Great Outdoors!

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:38:35 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
>
> Mark,  putting on tubeless was easy for me:  I just watched Candice do the 
> work!   They had an IG session on how to do it and it probably comes down 
> to "Candice (Mark and James) do it so much, they are exerts at it)"  I 
> don't plan on changing the tires until they wear out.  That's my MO for 
> tires.
>
> Melanie--I am so glad that you are happy with your changes, too.  Once 
> Covid is over, we should ride our Appaloosas together.
>
> Erik, New 650B dyno wheel, that's exciting!  Since we live near each 
> other, I'm looking forward to seeing it in person.
>
> I hope everyone has a terrific biking day,
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:11:10 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Good to hear from #RivSister Melanie!
>>
>> I am sure none of of us would complain if you chose to indulge us with 
>> photos of your new wheels on your Appaloosa. 朗
>>
>> I agree that the bikes feel very different after getting these new 
>> wheels. I’m not going to “quibble” about tubeless, but what was promised 
>> was a lighter, smoother ride with fun, colorful bits. And that’s exactly 
>> what I got. Therefore, I’m calling Analog tubeless wheels a great choice 
>> for me.
>>
>> I just got back from another 10 miler, fighting winds the whole time and 
>> I didn’t even much mind.
>> Leah
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Melanie  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi Roberta and all - I too have been "enlightened." Once Roberta said she 
>> was going to go for it and lighten up her Appaloosa I got the courage to do 
>> the same to mine. Analog built me some new wheels with Pacenti rims, Bitex 
>> hubs, a SRAM 990 cassette and tubeless Gravelkings. Of course, some red 
>> spoke nipples and valve stem as well. I just love it!  It's still not a 
>> light bike because I am keeping my Choco-Moose bars, my triple crank, and 
>> Clem rack. But the feel is very different. That z of the hubs disturbed 
>> me at first. But now I know it is just urging me on, "faster, faster, 
>> faster." Such joy.
>>
>> So Roberta - how does riding with the 1x drivetrain compare with the old 
>> triple???
>>
>>  - Melanie
>>
>> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:42:36 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>> In April 2017, I rode a 2016 stock-built Rivendell Joe Appaloosa at 
>>> Gravel and Grind and fell in love.  James (formerly of G, now of 
>>> Analog Cycles) recommended a Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, a rear rack, and 
>>> I happily pedaled away for the next three years.   My only change was 
>>> to a Brooks Flyer saddle.  
>>>
>>>
>>> I love the ride of the Appaloosa and rode it at home on the weekends.  When 
>>> I wanted another bike at my office for after work rides, I bought an A. 
>>> Homer Hilsen from a fellow RBW member.  My only issue with the Joe 
>>> Appaloosa was it was heavy for me to maneuver on mass transportation, 
>>> steps, and general lifting.  Now I had a lighter AHH, and that is the 
>>> bike I chose to travel with.
>>>
>>>
>>> But…I still loved the ride of the Appaloosa…it was just so…heavy.  A 
>>> call to James and Candice one day to talk about tubeless tires options, and 
>>> I was signing up to change nearly everything on it to lighten it and get an 
>>> even better ride.  I changed the saddle back to the B-17, removed the 
>>> heavy and too large for my use Carradice bags. Rack, fenders and kickstand 
>>> are too practical, so I kept them.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Memorial Day weekend, I drove both bikes to Analog Cycles.  AHH got 
>>> 1.75” Gravel King tubeless tires and a shorter stem.  Instead of 
>>> regular grips, they wrapped the grip area with Fizik tape over gel.  Deity 
>>> valve caps in red for the finishing touch.   I didn’t need to change 
>>> out anything else on the bike—it already had dyno lighting and the correct 
>>> rims.   My new bag is a Sackville Banana Sax, just the perfect size!
>>>
>>>
>>> The Appaloosa got the most work.  They changed the handlebar from steel 
>>> Choco-moose to aluminum Albatross and changed my 3x8 (or 3x9, I forget) 
>>> drive train to a 1x11 with indexed shifting.  However, the biggest 
>>> difference came with the new wheels, tubeless tires and dyno lighting!  
>>> Candice 
>>> recommended purple spoke nipples and they look great with the butterscotch 
>>> frame.  Near the valve stem, she changed the colorway to gold, topped 
>>> off with chartreuse valve caps, and I think it looks smashing!I 
>>> also got nice cork grips that probably a “blend” because they have more 
>>> give than the Rivendell ones.   I also like the ergonomic “bulge” in 

[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

Really hard to judge these things from a photo, but it seems like the front 
end is a bit shorter here than on the Hillibikes. No doubt you could run an 
upright bar, but perhaps designed with drops in mind foremost? Also maybe 
slightly shorter chainstays? A Roadibike, not a Hillibike? But roadie has a 
connotation that won't work so well for a Rivendell...

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 3:50:38 AM UTC-4, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> Like the Gus and Susie it allows them to get the headset way up high and, 
> consequently, the stem and bars can be high. Perhaps the drops are not the 
> main intention. So many of their favorite bars are uprights, meant to come 
> up and back toward the rider.
>
> David Lipsky
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Seen in Sal's instagram stories... reasonably good chance this is the 
>> prototype based on the geo diagram from an old blahg post. I'm not sold on 
>> the top tube yet, but like most Rivendell innovations, they take a while to 
>> absorb for me.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

I think this bike looks awesome, the most natural way I've seen to get drop 
bars higher than the saddle, which I normally find to be a goofy look. 
Somehow this configuration, with the dirt drop stem and the curving top 
tube and the long chainstays and the thinnish (for a Riv) fork blades, it 
all comes together as an all-road drop bar explorer. As my neck protests 
the traditional drop bar setup (even modified to almost level) as the years 
go by, I would love to try a Gallop. Having just impulsively purchased a 
Susie, I might have to wait a bit.

I thought the bent seat stays on original run of the two smaller sizes of 
Clementines looked really nice, but IIRC they came about due to a slight 
snafu with the seat cluster. I think the current Clem Ls and the other 
Hillibikes look just fine with the Swooptop and the straight seat stays.

In terms of how it fits into the current marketplace, all road, road plus, 
drop bar gravel, whatever you call it. And the V-brakes make sense here as 
a great alternative to disc (note the popularity of the recent canti 
Lighting Bolt from Crust. Only a matter of time before VO, which is now 
all-disc, issues a v-brake or canti model). As I pointed out way up in the 
thread, the Roadini is a tough sell--updated sport tourer with slightly 
wider tires (maybe--I have a 70s st that clears 42mm). But the Charlie 
looks to be a fun go go gravel bike with maybe the lighter tube set a la 
Susie. Fantastic is my initial reaction. If Romance Guy is still on the Riv 
payroll, he will rock this thing on some Utradyamicos.

As far as practicality of the top tube design, to my eye, the lowest point 
is exactly where you need it, just forward of the saddle. And it's a more 
elegant way to raise the head tube/stack height than a straight diagonal 
tt. (And most traditional sloped tt designs slope down, whereas Riv sloped 
tubes always go up.)

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:21:48 PM UTC-4, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>
> I was excited about this project but seeing that frame does not make my 
> eyes happy. It reminds me of a cheap “compact” road frame that 
> manufacturers make to offer fewer sizes. 
>
> I guess that fits into the less expensive mold, but I was hoping for 
> something more closely akin to a tig welded AHH with longer stays. I’ve 
> stared at this picture a lot this morning trying to appreciate the top tube 
> to no avail. 
>
> Maybe it will look better with a Tallux stem? Maybe it would look better 
> with bent seat stays? The top tube as shown would really only help stand 
> over clearance further midway along itself. When I dismount I stand over 
> the segment of TT immediately in front of the saddle. I guess I’m trying to 
> understand the practical advantage of the swoopy top tube. 
>
> Best, 
>
> Aaron

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

[Garth]

This can raise your existing stem and it's inexpensive... and of all the 
threadless risers this one actually looks alright . You'll still need to 
use some spacers at full height of course. All this while still offering 
some vertical adjustemnt.
 
 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/27306-soma-stem-high-rider-threadless-stem-riser-2609?category=983
 .

With that alone you may or may be able to keep your existing stem, 


Also, Velo Orange has their Cigne arc style stem , 70mm is in stock. All of 
Crusts are out of stock. 

https://velo-orange.com/products/cigne-stem?variant=51377292743



 
>
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[RBW] Re: Racks and hillibikes

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I measured the medium demo Susie as having a 49.2" wheelbase.

David Lipsky

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:15:15 PM UTC-7, maxcr wrote:
>
> Ok, two quick searches answered my own question. Smallest Susie has a 53” 
> wheelbase, the basic Saris Freedom supports up to 48”, so I guess I need to 
> order the long wb bar. 
> Max

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Like the Gus and Susie it allows them to get the headset way up high and, 
consequently, the stem and bars can be high. Perhaps the drops are not the 
main intention. So many of their favorite bars are uprights, meant to come 
up and back toward the rider.

David Lipsky

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Seen in Sal's instagram stories... reasonably good chance this is the 
> prototype based on the geo diagram from an old blahg post. I'm not sold on 
> the top tube yet, but like most Rivendell innovations, they take a while to 
> absorb for me.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini - Orange and Athena!

[dstein]

Awesome! Glad it sold and I don't have to keep thinking about this bike 
that fits me and I want at a great price but totally don't need.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:49:20 PM UTC-7, Damien wrote:
>
> Sold! Just began it's long voyage from Ontario to its new owner in New 
> Mexico! Thanks everyone
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Clayton Scott]

Not sure about it either. I think the cables make the tubes look wider in the 
pictures which may contribute to that "something is off" look. Might still grow 
on me though.

Clayton Scott

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