[RBW] Re: trigger type shifters on a bosco

[Ed Carolipio]

I tried a pair of Deore triggers on the wife's Clem and the 52cm aluminum 
version since she's got smallish hands, mounted in the standard spot with 
the brake levers and grips. Nope, nope, nope - just doesn't work great on 
grips that are parallel to the frame. Forward-and-down past the bend may be 
better but I didn't try it that way. Switched to the microshift thumbies 
and told the fam to work on their hand strength.

--Ed C.
On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 5:10:55 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings 
> I'm considering putting a microshift 1x group on my Clem which has 52cm 
> alu Bosco bars.  The shifter is a rapid-fire type of trigger shifter.
> Looking at the bars and the angle that they come back, it visually seems 
> like that may be pretty uncomfortable to shift.  I think all these types of 
> shifters are generally used on more flattish bars.
> Anyway, is anyone using this type of shifter on a 52cm Bosco?
> thanks 
> JS
>
>

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[RBW] Re: trigger type shifters on a bosco

[Weston Hein]

I've run Bosco's with Sram GX 2X10 triggers mounted in 2 different 
positions.

Originally mounted them right above the brake lever and grip, in the 
"standard" position. This worked fine for shifting from the grips and was 
comfortable but the shifter got in the way of wrapping my hand around my 
favorite hand position on the Bosco: the downward curve of the bar that's 
right ahead of the main grip area. 

I then moved the shifters farther forward on the bar, past the bend and 
mounting them on the downward slope of the bar. Inspiration photo from Riv:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBYSwsmnP8A/

And WOW, do I love it. It's extremely ergonomic when riding on the curve of 
the bar (which I tend to be in most of the time). It allows you to fully 
wrap your hand around that curve and get some serious out of the saddle 
leverage (while still being able to shift) and it's not much of a reach 
from the swept back grip area. 

Downside is that the shifters are a huge eyesore in that position and look 
really klunky/out of place, but whatever! 

I also angle my Bosco's down quite a lot so that may play into it but I 
highly recommend giving it a go! I really like trigger shifters and think 
they function great on the Bosco (aesthetics aside).


>

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[RBW] Re: trigger type shifters on a bosco

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

JS,

My proto GBW came with trigger shifter Shimano 1x11 with 58 Boscos and the 
setup worked as well as the kludgy shifter could work. I also used it on 
wavy and Jones bars. I shifted (pun intended, gran!) to Box 2 1x9 
cassette, derailure and Riv's Silver Shifter 2 and am much happier, and 
would be on Boscos instead of Wavy if I hod those on there. Why? I much 
prefer friction shifting, and the Silver 2 is a delight and plays perfectly 
with the 9x, which has a heartier chain and better gear ratios for the 
riding I do. Far more flexibility in how to set up the shifter too.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 6:10:55 PM UTC-6, J Schwartz wrote:
>
> Greetings 
> I'm considering putting a microshift 1x group on my Clem which has 52cm 
> alu Bosco bars.  The shifter is a rapid-fire type of trigger shifter.
> Looking at the bars and the angle that they come back, it visually seems 
> like that may be pretty uncomfortable to shift.  I think all these types of 
> shifters are generally used on more flattish bars.
> Anyway, is anyone using this type of shifter on a 52cm Bosco?
> thanks 
> JS
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

I'd test this myself except that if I have a spare Shimano plug, I don't
know where it is. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who can try
this.

Michael, thanks for bringing this to the list.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:23 PM Michael / SF 
wrote:

> On the subject of comparing SON and Shimano/SP connectors, does anybody
> have personal experience with this:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/bikewrench/comments/c9mbgn/hint_for_son_dynamo_owners_shimano_plug_fits_well/
> ?
>
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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Michael / SF]

On the subject of comparing SON and Shimano/SP connectors, does anybody 
have personal experience with this: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/bikewrench/comments/c9mbgn/hint_for_son_dynamo_owners_shimano_plug_fits_well/
 
?

Michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[kim young]

Omg Mark. Your bike!!! Incredible

Garth-I have felt like such a victim of the upgrade-itis curve (Thank you
for that word)
and which never seems to level out for me.

So the hillibike/bmx possibilities are a dream.
Thank you for the linx!

>From kim in az


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 8:38 AM Garth  wrote:

>
>Oh man gold Deore hubs with white rims ? You gotta post a photo when
> they're done !  We can never have too many wheels !! They're much easier to
> make room for than whole bikes.  We can both thank the good 'ol world of
> BMX for tempting us all as it doesn't suffer from upgrade-itis like road
> and mtb stuff.
>
> If anyone is interested in old-school brakes for any of their bikes in
> many colors check these out  of interest to me is the Dia-Compe 988
> cantilever brakes in colors. Colorful headset spcers if you need them too !
> https://porkchopbmx.com/brakes/brake-calipers-and-sets/
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/headsets-and-spacers/
>
> For MKS users they have pedal end caps and the wrenches for them. They
> have colorful VP-747 Bear trap pedals if you're looking for them.
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/pedals/
>
> Colorful presta valve caps !
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/valve-caps/
>
> Decals  as a kid we used to covet getting STP oil stickers for Earl's
> Service Station... back when there was such a thing. He's check your fluids
> while he filled your gas tank. In side the postage stamp sized shop was a
> returnable bottle pop machine and a accordion-door chest freezer with ice
> cream sandwiches.
> Porckchop has some nice looking ones ! Kool-Stop, Tange, Suzue, True
> Temper and MKS stickers ... who knew ? The Porkchop "Hot Wheels" and
> Red-White-Blue style stickers look kinda cool.
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/decals-stickers/
>
> The Made in Japan page has some hard to find Dia-Compe among other parts.
> https://porkchopbmx.com/made-in-japan/
>
> Too much to list ! It's like stepping into a cool old-world bike shop like
> Kraynick's in Pittsburgh where I have gotten a number of vintage SunTour
> shifters and brakes, among other parts !
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> Garth, it was you pointing out the bmx Rhyno colors in another thread
>> that got me to order a set from Albes a few weeks ago. However, you forgot
>> about...white! I will be lacing up white Rhyno Lite XL rims to a set of
>> vintage gold Deore LX hubs from my parts box, spoke nipple colors TBD, for
>> my L Susie! So I have you to thank...or blame;^) If I can figure out the bb
>> situation, my cranks will be a nice '80s magenta. Going with VO clunker
>> bars for now (I have a nice pair of Choco-moose in the wings--thanks Joe).
>> Still debating on whether to get the pink crash pad.  Hopefully it won't
>> clash with my raspberry Brooks. Yikes. Fun!
>>
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[RBW] trigger type shifters on a bosco

[J Schwartz]

Greetings 
I'm considering putting a microshift 1x group on my Clem which has 52cm alu 
Bosco bars.  The shifter is a rapid-fire type of trigger shifter.
Looking at the bars and the angle that they come back, it visually seems 
like that may be pretty uncomfortable to shift.  I think all these types of 
shifters are generally used on more flattish bars.
Anyway, is anyone using this type of shifter on a 52cm Bosco?
thanks 
JS

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[RBW] Re: Question about lateral stiffness of front fender stays, mid-fork mount versus dropout mount

[Patrick Moore]

I should also ask: How low down on the fork leg can you attach a strut and
still have the fender move away from the tire instead of into it should an
obstacle be caught between it and the tire?

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:57 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I have a hankering to get Chauncey to add mid-fork fender strut braze ons
> to the dirt road bike (he forgot to do so when he built it), thinking that
> there may be a slight safety margin in doing so (I use only smooth tires
> with fenders).
>
> But with the fenders (Kelpies, far sturdier than Honjos, etc) I have about
> 2-3" of toe overlap, and despite good riding habits, occasionally end up
> giving the trailing end of the front fender a mightly whack with my toe
> (usually left foot, now that I think of it).
>
> So, question: Compared to attaching the end of the strut at the dropout,
> will attaching it about 1/3 of the way up the fork leg from the dropout
> make the fender significantly less laterally rigid, all else equal?
>
> Chauncey comes by tomorrow, he said, so I'd like to have an answer and
> therefore a plan for him.
>
> Many thanks.
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[RBW] Question about lateral stiffness of front fender stays, mid-fork mount versus dropout mount

[Patrick Moore]

I have a hankering to get Chauncey to add mid-fork fender strut braze ons
to the dirt road bike (he forgot to do so when he built it), thinking that
there may be a slight safety margin in doing so (I use only smooth tires
with fenders).

But with the fenders (Kelpies, far sturdier than Honjos, etc) I have about
2-3" of toe overlap, and despite good riding habits, occasionally end up
giving the trailing end of the front fender a mightly whack with my toe
(usually left foot, now that I think of it).

So, question: Compared to attaching the end of the strut at the dropout,
will attaching it about 1/3 of the way up the fork leg from the dropout
make the fender significantly less laterally rigid, all else equal?

Chauncey comes by tomorrow, he said, so I'd like to have an answer and
therefore a plan for him.

Many thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps; but it apparently saw her through several pretty darned long and
grueling rides.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:31 PM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> On the other hand, I try to remember that the Wilcox’s and King’s of the
> world are sometimes/often being paid to make the selections they do.  Kinda
> like Joe Namath using Aqua Velva?
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Bill Schairer]

On the other hand, I try to remember that the Wilcox’s and King’s of the world 
are sometimes/often being paid to make the selections they do.  Kinda like Joe 
Namath using Aqua Velva?

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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Ryan M.]

Mounting a set of road tubeless tires onto carbon rims for my Trek Emonda (back 
when I rode that kind of bike) made me sell the wheels and the tires...I’m not 
sure if the new owner could get the tires off the rim, they were that tight. A 
total PITA. My bet is he cut them off with an exacto knife. I’d rather deal 
with tubulars.  I never had a problem with higher volume tubeless so I thought 
I’d give skinny road tubeless a shot. I do wish my wife recorded me trying to 
put those tires on the rim.

The Rene Herse Stampede Pass are 32mm wide and they are pretty nice. I’d 
recommend them.

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

Joe Ramey?

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I have to agree with -- whatzisname? --
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree with -- whatzisname? -- here. I'm quite happy to spend more
for bling, just as I am happy to spend more for a custom Riv with pretty
lugs and paint instead of saving money with something more pedestrian but,
per relevant "KPIs," just as effective. And IME, not inconsiderable, the
SPs are just as good practically as the SONs, unless you ride daily in rain
and store your bike indoors in temps far warmer than outdoors during heavy
winter seasons. If one's metrics were solely practical, then few of us
would be on this list.

OTOH, I can see Jims POV; only, Rael Wilcox chose an SP hub with K-Lite
setup for her, well, traumatically-long, even epic, rides, and far more
solid than my own experience, her's provides a very strong recommendation.

Also, I have to agree with what seems to be a majority that the SON
connectors are more complicated and harder to use than the SP/Shimano type.
I can't imagine anyone losing a part for a SP or Shimano connector even
along the longest route; how would you manage that?

Pax. Each to his or her own. I use Dura Ace 7410 f and r derailleurs on my
Matthews Road Bike For Dirt, and 7400 (?) 1-sided Dura Ace SPDs on my Riv
fixed gofast, for no practical reason at all, just for style. The style
makes me happy. End of equation.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 4:13 PM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I read this older thread with interest.  None of the responses strike me
> as more "wrong" as this one, to each their own, but defining usage by how
> shiny a widget is seems very, very wrongheaded.
>
> To me, it isn't how nice the bike is that determines what dynamo hub you
> put on it.  It's what you're going to do with your bike.
>
> My SonDeluxe widebody is not on my "nicest" bike.  It is on the bike that
> I use for Randonneuring rides.  It must perform day and night under all
> weather conditions without fail and without worry.  I've been in some
> pretty out of the way places with it where help would be many hours away.
> I do carry battery backups on any out of the way ride but when I'm
> struggling away up the umpteenth roller at way past o'dark thirty trying to
> stay hydrated and nourished, I do not want to think about my dynamo hub
> under any circumstances.
>
> When I finally get my gumption up to go back to PBP, it will only be with
> a SON dynamo hub.
>
> I also own Shimano and SP hubs but they are used for more pedestrian
> pursuits.  I haven't had any issues with them.
>
> P.S:  The SON spade connectors are not difficult to use, I'm not sure
> where that idea came from, either.  I think they are superior to the
> Shimano/SP design because there are no parts to lose.  It's easy to
> misplace the cap of the other design.
>
> YMMV.
>
> Jim
> Austin MSA, TX
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 2:47 PM masmojo  wrote:
>
>> Eric, I've put SP Hubs on "Nice" bikes too; I just don't think I'd throw
>> down $240+ on a SON hub unless it was a bike that was worthy. SP's are (or
>> were) good for those builds where you want something a little nicer than a
>> Shimano, but a SON is out of the question. Ideal for a Clem., even a
>> Cheviot or a Sam, but any nicer than that I am likely to want the SON. My
>> exception to that would be some thru-axle applications and some of my
>> recent builds where I  have a second set of wheels. One set of wheels might
>> be nicer than the other. SON on the primary set & SP on the second set.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Congratulations Adam. Hope you enjoy it.  I’m very happy with mine.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Adam Leibow  wrote:
> 
> 
> here's a similarly bad photo of my new MIT homer, which i bought a few weeks 
> ago. loving it so far
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Jim Bronson]

I read this older thread with interest.  None of the responses strike me as
more "wrong" as this one, to each their own, but defining usage by how
shiny a widget is seems very, very wrongheaded.

To me, it isn't how nice the bike is that determines what dynamo hub you
put on it.  It's what you're going to do with your bike.

My SonDeluxe widebody is not on my "nicest" bike.  It is on the bike that I
use for Randonneuring rides.  It must perform day and night under all
weather conditions without fail and without worry.  I've been in some
pretty out of the way places with it where help would be many hours away.
I do carry battery backups on any out of the way ride but when I'm
struggling away up the umpteenth roller at way past o'dark thirty trying to
stay hydrated and nourished, I do not want to think about my dynamo hub
under any circumstances.

When I finally get my gumption up to go back to PBP, it will only be with a
SON dynamo hub.

I also own Shimano and SP hubs but they are used for more pedestrian
pursuits.  I haven't had any issues with them.

P.S:  The SON spade connectors are not difficult to use, I'm not sure where
that idea came from, either.  I think they are superior to the Shimano/SP
design because there are no parts to lose.  It's easy to misplace the cap
of the other design.

YMMV.

Jim
Austin MSA, TX



On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 2:47 PM masmojo  wrote:

> Eric, I've put SP Hubs on "Nice" bikes too; I just don't think I'd throw
> down $240+ on a SON hub unless it was a bike that was worthy. SP's are (or
> were) good for those builds where you want something a little nicer than a
> Shimano, but a SON is out of the question. Ideal for a Clem., even a
> Cheviot or a Sam, but any nicer than that I am likely to want the SON. My
> exception to that would be some thru-axle applications and some of my
> recent builds where I  have a second set of wheels. One set of wheels might
> be nicer than the other. SON on the primary set & SP on the second set.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Fenders arrived today and a bike shop (one of two I'd be willing to trust 
to this, and that's with a lot of hope and prayer involved), said they 
could squeeze in the fender instal over the next few days, otherwise it'd 
be a month or more. They understood "fenderline" and "pinch or widen to 
adjust it" and "position and drill one hole at a time" ... so here's to it 
going well! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: VO Grand Cru Dual Pivot Calipers; Minehaha & Cardiff Saddle Bags

[Paul Brodek]

Heads-up on the bags, they're all sold and packed, anxiously awaiting their 
new homes.

Grand Cru calipers are still available. Haven't gotten any nibbles, so I'll 
be listing them on ebay tonight. They won't be available for a direct sale 
once they go up there.

Thanks and cheers,

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:51:48 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> VO Grand Cru Calipers/Silver/Recessed: $120 shipped conti USA; paypal G&S
> Minehaha Saddle Bag: $45 shipped " "
> Cardiff Whitson Saddle Bag/NOS/NIB: $35 " "
> Cardiff Whitson Saddle Bag: $30 " "
>
> Moving some more stuff to keep the little happy to see boxes going out the 
> door
>
> Grand Cru calipers are pretty darn clean, could use a little more 
> detailing. Shoes still have lotsa miles left. Rear caliper spring has some 
> very light peppering. I always sell these when I find I have a stray pair I 
> forgot about, and then within a few weeks I need another pair. I've given 
> up fighting it.
>
> Minehaha bag was installed once, don't think it ever left the garage. 
> Clean all-around, minor wrinkling on straps. These are still available new.
>
> Cardiff Whitson bags are lighter weight, less expensive banana bags. One 
> is new, still in the package. The other was installed, but never hit the 
> road. Pretty sure these were discontinued, not likely available new any 
> more.
>
> Few pix attached, bigger/more pix here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/albums/72157648060578763
>
> Paul Brodek
>
> [image: 50038707737_884b3e0a9b_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50038708102_cae80081e8_c.jpg]
>
> [image: 50037899368_b728341872_c.jpg]
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Matthew Naftis]

Beautiful!  Thank you for sharing with us!


On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:02:51 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm 
> to wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Steve Palincsar]

Having experienced Challenge open tubulars in the form of Parigi Roubaix 
I have to decry Paul's understatement of the extent of the problem.    
Literally the worst tires to mount I've ever used.   Fabulous ride, but 
at best when brand new and at full thickness I got 1 flat every 300 
miles, and it went downhill from there as they wore.  To be fair, after 
they'd been mounted for a couple of weeks, it became easier to get them 
on and off, but the initial experience was suitable for Ripley's Believe 
it or Not.


On 6/24/20 5:01 PM, Tom Goodmann wrote:
Just so well written, so well told, Paul; sorry for your tire agonies 
but grateful fhe shared experience.


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 4:58 PM Paul Brodek > wrote:


Gee, thanks guys! Always happy when my pain and suffering provide
some yucks.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:29:45 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

+1 on praise for Paul's post--it was the best read, the best
laugh, I have enjoyed this week. And thanks to all of you for
sharing your views and information . . . I never /tire /of
reading them.  --Tom

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jock Dewey
 wrote:

Hey, Paul:

Your posts are always/the best/, enjoy reading every one
of them...and some of our conversations, too.

Especially your tire ovations.

I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that
tires look good and make proper sounds on good pavement.
It's the only music I listen to out on the road.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek
wrote:

You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already
mentioned, or buy from him on ebay. He's always got
listings for tires there, makes it handy to see what
he may have in stock.

Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth
for me. Recent covid-related shipping issues have
cropped up, they switched from EMS to DHL when delays
kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan
seems to be getting back to a quasi-normal.

Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires,
which are another high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a
US-based brand/company. I use 'em a lot, like 'em a
lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are
generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy
direct, might help to wait for one of their
occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush.
ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on
them.

The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware
they are "open tubular" design, not vulcanized, so
they lay flat against the rim out of the package, with
no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use
tubeless tires, so I can't compare mounting a
Challenge open tubular to those, but I can say that
Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires
to mount of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+.
I'm cranky and stubborn, and only when death is the
only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will I
use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close
with Challenge. I recently got some fat, puffy Strada
Bianca Pros, and they look just beautiful, but every
time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb
pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time
inflated, subsequent mounting isn't inordinately
difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I
recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my
palms and thumbs next time around.

49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg

I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to
flatting experience, in that it is a certainty that
someone else thinks mounting Challenge tires is
easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a
flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and
never get a flat." Like that...) One man's death fit
is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see the need
to have a video on their website showing their
preferred mounting technique. And boy howdy the dude
in the video doesn't seem to struggle like I do. I've
bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a
 

Re: [RBW] Travel bikes

[Kent Peterson -- Eugene, Oregon]

Jones loop h-bars are lovely and a total bitch to pack in the suitcase. If 
you're not suitcase packing, don't worry about it.

If you're getting e-assist on your wife's bike, there won't be a SON hub on 
it. The e-assist motor is in the front wheel.

I tend do favor quick folding and using the soft bag (with cardboard 
padding if If I'm taking the bike on Amtrak or something). The soft bags 
are bigger and much easier to pack into than the Samsonite, which rewards 
you if you've spent years playing Tetris or solving jigsaw puzzles.

Kent Peterson
Eugene, OR USA

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:52:22 AM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Well I’ve traded a few emails with a rep from BF and he is in the process 
> of generating a quote. Here’s what I told him:
>
> - Dropouts, brazeons, cable guides etc. for disc brakes, linear pull 
> brakes, derailleurs, and Rohloff rear hubs. Maximum Frankenbike flexibility 
> basically, to allow for experimentation. 
>
> - Cliffhanger rims and the fattest tires that can handle fenders. Big 
> Apples 406x60 would be ideal. SON28 front hubs and LX or XT rear hubs. 36 
> spokes front and rear. 
>
> - 110/74 triple cranks, Sugino or Silver, 170mm. 9 speed cassette. Short 
> cage rear derailleur if possible, for ground clearance. A range of 15-90 
> gear inches. 
>
> - Paul Klamper brakes, Paul levers, Silver2 shifters. Jones loop h-bars. 
> (I’m still torn on the brakes - I’m biased in favor of rim brakes but he’s 
> making a good case for discs, and I guess I am curious to try them out.)
>
> - Chris King headsets, UN72 bottom brackets. 
>
> - Rear racks equipped, front decaleur compatible. 
>
> - Electric assist for my wife. 
>
> So that’s my first stab at a potential build, but I’d welcome feedback 
> from the list. Any glaring problems or missed opportunities that I should 
> be thinking about? I’ve never ordered a custom bike before - it’s kind of 
> fun to consider the possibilities...
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 5:51 AM, Mark Roland  > wrote:
>
> 
> What is this "Just riding for fun" you refer to? Blasphemy. (Just ride;^)
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 7:44:38 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote: If I’m 
> doing a very long ride at my destination (like a brevet or PBP), I will 
> bring a full-sized bike and pay the fee. If I’m just riding for fun, I 
> bring the Brompton.
>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 3:25 PM, eddietheflay  wrote:
>>
>> or Dahon Allegro:
>>
>>
>> https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dahon-allegro-breakaway-folding-bike-194833770
>>
>> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our 
>>> intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British 
>>> Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so 
>>> I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive 
>>> marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy.
>>>
>>> It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S&S couplers 
>>> to 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents 
>>> and detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, 
>>> avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, 
>>> fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy 
>>> performance. 
>>>
>>> While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim 
>>> brakes and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed 
>>> travel bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something 
>>> bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, 
>>> especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards 
>>> designs that utilize a Rohloff hub.
>>>
>>> Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you 
>>> do within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a 
>>> consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an 
>>> extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.)
>>>
>>> Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope!
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

Just so well written, so well told, Paul; sorry for your tire agonies but
grateful fhe shared experience.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 4:58 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> Gee, thanks guys! Always happy when my pain and suffering provide some
> yucks.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:29:45 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> +1 on praise for Paul's post--it was the best read, the best laugh, I
>> have enjoyed this week.  And thanks to all of you for sharing your views
>> and information . . . I never *tire *of reading them.  --Tom
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jock Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, Paul:
>>>
>>> Your posts are always* the best*, enjoy reading every one of them...and
>>> some of our conversations, too.
>>>
>>> Especially your tire ovations.
>>>
>>> I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that tires look good
>>> and make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to
>>> out on the road.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:

 You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him
 on ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see
 what he may have in stock.

 Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent
 covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to
 DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems
 to be getting back to a quasi-normal.

 Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another
 high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a
 lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are
 generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to
 wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush.
 ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.

 The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open
 tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of
 the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless
 tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I
 can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount
 of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and
 only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will
 I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I
 recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just
 beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb
 pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent
 mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I
 recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next
 time around.

 [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
 I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting
 experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting
 Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a
 flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like
 that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see
 the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting
 technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle
 like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum
 who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.

 But they are dead sexy.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to
> have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still
> be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?
> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in
> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami
>
> Sam Hillborne
> Legolas
> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
> '94 RBT
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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks, Jock. 

Amen to the music of good rubber on smooth asphalt! Hopefully, from a 
performance standpoint, that's a good thing, too. I'd hate to find out my 
favorite sound in the world was evidence of excess tire/surface friction...

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 1:31:02 PM UTC-4, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Paul:
>
> Your posts are always* the best*, enjoy reading every one of them...and 
> some of our conversations, too. 
>
> Especially your tire ovations.
>
> I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that tires look good 
> and make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to 
> out on the road.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>> You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him 
>> on ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see 
>> what he may have in stock.
>>
>> Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent 
>> covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to 
>> DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems 
>> to be getting back to a quasi-normal.
>>
>> Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another 
>> high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a 
>> lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are 
>> generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to 
>> wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush. 
>> ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.
>>
>> The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open 
>> tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of 
>> the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless 
>> tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I 
>> can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount 
>> of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and 
>> only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will 
>> I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I 
>> recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just 
>> beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb 
>> pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent 
>> mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I 
>> recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next 
>> time around. 
>>
>> [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
>> I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting 
>> experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting 
>> Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a 
>> flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like 
>> that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see 
>> the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting 
>> technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle 
>> like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum 
>> who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.
>>
>> But they are dead sexy.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
>>> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to 
>>> have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still 
>>> be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
>>> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
>>> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> Legolas
>>> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
>>> '94 RBT
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Paul Brodek]

Gee, thanks guys! Always happy when my pain and suffering provide some 
yucks.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:29:45 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> +1 on praise for Paul's post--it was the best read, the best laugh, I have 
> enjoyed this week.  And thanks to all of you for sharing your views and 
> information . . . I never *tire *of reading them.  --Tom
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jock Dewey  > wrote:
>
>> Hey, Paul:
>>
>> Your posts are always* the best*, enjoy reading every one of them...and 
>> some of our conversations, too. 
>>
>> Especially your tire ovations.
>>
>> I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that tires look good 
>> and make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to 
>> out on the road.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
>>> You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him 
>>> on ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see 
>>> what he may have in stock.
>>>
>>> Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent 
>>> covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to 
>>> DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems 
>>> to be getting back to a quasi-normal.
>>>
>>> Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another 
>>> high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a 
>>> lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are 
>>> generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to 
>>> wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush. 
>>> ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.
>>>
>>> The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open 
>>> tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of 
>>> the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless 
>>> tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I 
>>> can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount 
>>> of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and 
>>> only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will 
>>> I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I 
>>> recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just 
>>> beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb 
>>> pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent 
>>> mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I 
>>> recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next 
>>> time around. 
>>>
>>> [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
>>> I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting 
>>> experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting 
>>> Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a 
>>> flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like 
>>> that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see 
>>> the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting 
>>> technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle 
>>> like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum 
>>> who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.
>>>
>>> But they are dead sexy.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to 
 have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still 
 be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
 (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
 advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  

 Sam Hillborne
 Legolas
 Goodrich-built 650b prototype
 '94 RBT

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[RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale, parting out a bike

[Collin A]

Bars are gone. Updated prices (advent  drivetrain $100, sugino w/ wolftooth 
crankset $80)

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 11:56:44 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Crust bars are pending.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Cross post here, but see here for photos and the list:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JhptPuTzJ9GZvYyg8
>>
>> If you buy multiple bits, we can haggle on shipping prices.
>>
>> *Double Top and Down Tube Steel 650b Bike*: *$300 + Shipping*
>>
>> Technically 700c, but converted to fit 650x40 with dimpled chainstays
>>
>> Brake reach with 650b is about 64mm, 700c about 47mm
>>
>> 52 cm TT, 51 cm ST, 43 cm CS
>>
>> Reynolds 525 steel
>>
>> Downtube bottle bosses, and king cage USB mounts for ST bottle cage
>>
>> Lugged construction with clear powder coat showcasing the lugs. Some 
>> chips in the powder coat (see photos)
>>
>> Colnago 1980s master fork, with some paint wear, very supple fork. 
>> 360-ish ATC and 55-ish Rake (hard to accurately measure)
>>
>> FSA duron 1” threaded headset installed
>>
>> Seatpost binder bolt included and will take a 27.2 seatpost
>>
>> Standard 68mm BSA threaded BB
>>
>> *Advent 9 speed drivetrain*: *$100 shipped*
>>
>> 11-42 9 speed cassette, brand new
>>
>> 1x clutch rear derailleur, used
>>
>> Both the thumbie (new) and trigger shifter with bearings (used)
>>
>> *Sugino RD2 165mm crankset:** $80 shipped*
>>
>> 130 BCD with pewter Wolftooth chainring bolts
>>
>> Wolftooth 38t narrow-wide chainring, brand new
>>
>> Extra 48 and 39 tooth rings that were used for a 2x1 setup
>>
>> *Redshift Shocktop Suspension Seatpost**: **$100 + Shipping*
>>
>> Used, about 300 miles across a couple bikes
>>
>> 27.2 diam, 350mm length
>>
>> Will include the additional stiffer spring
>>
>> Added some silver accents
>>
>> Some wear of the anodizing on 
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sac
>>
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[RBW] 559 X 42-46 mm tires -- suggestions?

[Patrick Moore]

God willing, I'll have a new 26" wheel frame into which to fit new wheels
and tires; and fatter tires.

I know about the Nachez Pass. Are there significantly cheaper alternatives
that provide a good part of the ride quality of the NP EL in the 26 X 1.8"
size?

I want something that performs well on pavement, and I will give up dirt
traction for nice pavement rolling.

I want something that measures an actual 42-to-46 in the 559 size.

Also, questions 2 and 3: what is the lightest tube you can use for these?
(I've bought no 26" tube fatter than 1" wide since about 2010.

What pressure do you run your 42 or 46 mm tires at? The efficacy of sealant
in tubes depends on a sufficiently high pressure and I will not be using a
tubeless setup, for now anyway.

If any respondent has tires to sell, let's talk.

Oh, and a last indirectly related request: Am looking to BUY or TRADE a
petty, silver, internal cam, all-steel QR skewer for a 120 mm hub. Can
trade a 126 mm Campy, older, very nice.

Someone offered to sell me a working TC hub (direct and -13.5%; say 76 and
66 or 71 and 61) at a reasonable price, and I may have the gofast respaced
to 120 to accommodate a wheel built around this hub. Plans not final.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Shifter cable exit

[Joe Bernard]

The only potential (not likely) problem is all those bends will cause enough 
friction to screw up the shifting. This is a bigger concern with indexed, but 
will probably be fine either way. 

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[RBW] Shifter cable exit

[Friend]

I am about to finish my new drop-bar cockpit with bar-end shifters.  Almost 
every drop bar I see has the cables for the bar-end shifters departing from 
the bars a few inches away from the shifters on the bottom part of the bar. 
 I brought the housing all the way up to the middle of the bars where both 
the brake and shifter cables exit together and go to their respective 
places.  Before I wrapp and shellack, I want to make sure that I'm not 
missing some obvious inconvenience that this may cause down the road.  Do 
ya'll have preferences on this matter?

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[RBW] Re: ISO, WTB, WTT: Paul Funky Monkey front cable hanger (7/8)

[diekaiser]

Saved by the Bunch. Thanks everyone!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale, parting out a bike

[Collin A]

Crust bars are pending.


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> Cross post here, but see here for photos and the list:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JhptPuTzJ9GZvYyg8
>
> If you buy multiple bits, we can haggle on shipping prices.
>
> *Double Top and Down Tube Steel 650b Bike*: *$300 + Shipping*
>
> Technically 700c, but converted to fit 650x40 with dimpled chainstays
>
> Brake reach with 650b is about 64mm, 700c about 47mm
>
> 52 cm TT, 51 cm ST, 43 cm CS
>
> Reynolds 525 steel
>
> Downtube bottle bosses, and king cage USB mounts for ST bottle cage
>
> Lugged construction with clear powder coat showcasing the lugs. Some chips 
> in the powder coat (see photos)
>
> Colnago 1980s master fork, with some paint wear, very supple fork. 360-ish 
> ATC and 55-ish Rake (hard to accurately measure)
>
> FSA duron 1” threaded headset installed
>
> Seatpost binder bolt included and will take a 27.2 seatpost
>
> Standard 68mm BSA threaded BB
>
> *Advent 9 speed drivetrain*: *$100 shipped*
>
> 11-42 9 speed cassette, brand new
>
> 1x clutch rear derailleur, used
>
> Both the thumbie (new) and trigger shifter with bearings (used)
>
> *Sugino RD2 165mm crankset:** $90 shipped*
>
> 130 BCD with pewter Wolftooth chainring bolts
>
> Wolftooth 38t narrow-wide chainring, brand new
>
> Extra 48 and 39 tooth rings that were used for a 2x1 setup
>
> *Redshift Shocktop Suspension Seatpost**: **$100 + Shipping*
>
> Used, about 300 miles across a couple bikes
>
> 27.2 diam, 350mm length
>
> Will include the additional stiffer spring
>
> Added some silver accents
>
> Some wear of the anodizing on 
>
> *Crust Shakka Bar, 26.0 Clamp**: **$120 + Shipping*
>
> Used for about 100 miles
>
> 51cm hood width, 54cm drop width, 10 deg flare
>
> Modern compact drop shape, and pretty light
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sac
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

+1 on praise for Paul's post--it was the best read, the best laugh, I have
enjoyed this week.  And thanks to all of you for sharing your views and
information . . . I never *tire *of reading them.  --Tom

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jock Dewey  wrote:

> Hey, Paul:
>
> Your posts are always* the best*, enjoy reading every one of them...and
> some of our conversations, too.
>
> Especially your tire ovations.
>
> I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that tires look good
> and make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to
> out on the road.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>> You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him
>> on ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see
>> what he may have in stock.
>>
>> Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent
>> covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to
>> DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems
>> to be getting back to a quasi-normal.
>>
>> Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another
>> high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a
>> lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are
>> generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to
>> wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush.
>> ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.
>>
>> The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open
>> tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of
>> the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless
>> tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I
>> can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount
>> of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and
>> only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will
>> I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I
>> recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just
>> beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb
>> pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent
>> mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I
>> recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next
>> time around.
>>
>> [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
>> I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting
>> experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting
>> Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a
>> flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like
>> that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see
>> the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting
>> technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle
>> like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum
>> who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.
>>
>> But they are dead sexy.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
>>> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to
>>> have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still
>>> be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?
>>> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in
>>> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> Legolas
>>> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
>>> '94 RBT
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale, parting out a bike

[Collin A]

Whoops, Crust bars should be $100 + Shipping...

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> Cross post here, but see here for photos and the list:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JhptPuTzJ9GZvYyg8
>
> If you buy multiple bits, we can haggle on shipping prices.
>
> *Double Top and Down Tube Steel 650b Bike*: *$300 + Shipping*
>
> Technically 700c, but converted to fit 650x40 with dimpled chainstays
>
> Brake reach with 650b is about 64mm, 700c about 47mm
>
> 52 cm TT, 51 cm ST, 43 cm CS
>
> Reynolds 525 steel
>
> Downtube bottle bosses, and king cage USB mounts for ST bottle cage
>
> Lugged construction with clear powder coat showcasing the lugs. Some chips 
> in the powder coat (see photos)
>
> Colnago 1980s master fork, with some paint wear, very supple fork. 360-ish 
> ATC and 55-ish Rake (hard to accurately measure)
>
> FSA duron 1” threaded headset installed
>
> Seatpost binder bolt included and will take a 27.2 seatpost
>
> Standard 68mm BSA threaded BB
>
> *Advent 9 speed drivetrain*: *$110 shipped*
>
> 11-42 9 speed cassette, brand new
>
> 1x clutch rear derailleur, used
>
> Both the thumbie (new) and trigger shifter with bearings (used)
>
> *Sugino RD2 165mm crankset:** $90 shipped*
>
> 130 BCD with pewter Wolftooth chainring bolts
>
> Wolftooth 38t narrow-wide chainring, brand new
>
> Extra 48 and 39 tooth rings that were used for a 2x1 setup
>
> *Redshift Shocktop Suspension Seatpost**: **$100 + Shipping*
>
> Used, about 300 miles across a couple bikes
>
> 27.2 diam, 350mm length
>
> Will include the additional stiffer spring
>
> Added some silver accents
>
> Some wear of the anodizing on 
>
> *Crust Shakka Bar, 26.0 Clamp**: **$100 + Shipping*
>
> Used for about 100 miles
>
> 51cm hood width, 54cm drop width, 10 deg flare
>
> Modern compact drop shape, and pretty light
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sac
>

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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, Paul:

Your posts are always* the best*, enjoy reading every one of them...and 
some of our conversations, too. 

Especially your tire ovations.

I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that tires look good and 
make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to out on 
the road.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him on 
> ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see what 
> he may have in stock.
>
> Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent 
> covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to 
> DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems 
> to be getting back to a quasi-normal.
>
> Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another 
> high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a 
> lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are 
> generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to 
> wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush. 
> ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.
>
> The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open 
> tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of 
> the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless 
> tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I 
> can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount 
> of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and 
> only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will 
> I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I 
> recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just 
> beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb 
> pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent 
> mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I 
> recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next 
> time around. 
>
> [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
> I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting 
> experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting 
> Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a 
> flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like 
> that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see 
> the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting 
> technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle 
> like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum 
> who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.
>
> But they are dead sexy.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to 
>> have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still 
>> be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
>> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
>> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
>>
>> Sam Hillborne
>> Legolas
>> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
>> '94 RBT
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Garth]

   Oh man gold Deore hubs with white rims ? You gotta post a photo when 
they're done !  We can never have too many wheels !! They're much easier to 
make room for than whole bikes.  We can both thank the good 'ol world of 
BMX for tempting us all as it doesn't suffer from upgrade-itis like road 
and mtb stuff. 

If anyone is interested in old-school brakes for any of their bikes in many 
colors check these out  of interest to me is the Dia-Compe 988 
cantilever brakes in colors. Colorful headset spcers if you need them too ! 
https://porkchopbmx.com/brakes/brake-calipers-and-sets/
https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/headsets-and-spacers/

For MKS users they have pedal end caps and the wrenches for them. They have 
colorful VP-747 Bear trap pedals if you're looking for them. 
https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/pedals/

Colorful presta valve caps !
https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/valve-caps/

Decals  as a kid we used to covet getting STP oil stickers for Earl's 
Service Station... back when there was such a thing. He's check your fluids 
while he filled your gas tank. In side the postage stamp sized shop was a 
returnable bottle pop machine and a accordion-door chest freezer with ice 
cream sandwiches. 
Porckchop has some nice looking ones ! Kool-Stop, Tange, Suzue, True Temper 
and MKS stickers ... who knew ? The Porkchop "Hot Wheels" and 
Red-White-Blue style stickers look kinda cool. 
https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/decals-stickers/

The Made in Japan page has some hard to find Dia-Compe among other parts. 
https://porkchopbmx.com/made-in-japan/

Too much to list ! It's like stepping into a cool old-world bike shop like 
Kraynick's in Pittsburgh where I have gotten a number of vintage SunTour 
shifters and brakes, among other parts ! 

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Garth, it was you pointing out the bmx Rhyno colors in another thread that 
> got me to order a set from Albes a few weeks ago. However, you forgot 
> about...white! I will be lacing up white Rhyno Lite XL rims to a set of 
> vintage gold Deore LX hubs from my parts box, spoke nipple colors TBD, for 
> my L Susie! So I have you to thank...or blame;^) If I can figure out the bb 
> situation, my cranks will be a nice '80s magenta. Going with VO clunker 
> bars for now (I have a nice pair of Choco-moose in the wings--thanks Joe).  
> Still debating on whether to get the pink crash pad.  Hopefully it won't 
> clash with my raspberry Brooks. Yikes. Fun!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Travel bikes

[Jay Lonner]

The Moultons are lovely bikes but I do like the quick fold option offered by 
BF. I also like that BF is located just down I5 from me - I’m happy to support 
the regional economy, especially when it comes to cycling infrastructure. I 
also imagine that being in the same time zone and customs regime will greatly 
ease any customer service and/or warranty issues. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Jun 23, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> Jay,
> Are you thinking NWT or diamond llama?
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Re: [RBW] Travel bikes

[Jay Lonner]

Diamond Llama.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Jun 23, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Drw  wrote:
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> Jay,
> Are you thinking NWT or diamond llama?
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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Mark Roland]

Garth, it was you pointing out the bmx Rhyno colors in another thread that 
got me to order a set from Albes a few weeks ago. However, you forgot 
about...white! I will be lacing up white Rhyno Lite XL rims to a set of 
vintage gold Deore LX hubs from my parts box, spoke nipple colors TBD, for 
my L Susie! So I have you to thank...or blame;^) If I can figure out the bb 
situation, my cranks will be a nice '80s magenta. Going with VO clunker 
bars for now (I have a nice pair of Choco-moose in the wings--thanks Joe).  
Still debating on whether to get the pink crash pad.  Hopefully it won't 
clash with my raspberry Brooks. Yikes. Fun!

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:45:44 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Yes Mark, slightly wider, 29.2/23.5 outer/inner I believe . and they 
> are available in anodized silver, black, gold, red, blue , purple and green 
> !  Colors !!!  I can picture a set of gold rimmed wheels for my orange 
> Susie with black cranks. Even though I have some Alex DM24's on the way, 
> yeah so what ! 
>
> https://bassettbmx.com/products/sun-rhyno-lite-rim-29?variant=8587489509423
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:51:57 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just bought a pair of Rhyno Lite XL rims (slightly wider than the 
>> non-xl?) for my Susie, planning to run fairly knobby 2.6" tires, don't 
>> anticipate any problems. I currently have Steilacoom tires on narrow 
>> vintage racing rims, no problem. 2.3" Thunderburts on Atlas, no problem. 
>> 2.1" Powerblocks on super skinny 26" vintage road rims, no problem. Etc. As 
>> pointed out, when running appropriately proportionate pressures, you are 
>> unlikely to have problems except at the most extreme ends. Despite what 
>> Velocity says.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[aeroperf]

Interesting.
I run a set of Velocity Dyads that I built up with Deore hubs.  For the 
last 3 years I’ve run Continental Speed Ride 42mm tires at 70 psi with zero 
problems.
I have lately knocked the pressure back to 55 psi for ride quality, but I 
have never given a thought to the rims failing for any reason.
Of course, 42s aren’t really “fatter tires”.

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Garth]

Yes Mark, slightly wider, 29.2/23.5 outer/inner I believe . and they 
are available in anodized silver, black, gold, red, blue , purple and green 
!  Colors !!!  I can picture a set of gold rimmed wheels for my orange 
Susie with black cranks. Even though I have some Alex DM24's on the way, 
yeah so what ! 

https://bassettbmx.com/products/sun-rhyno-lite-rim-29?variant=8587489509423

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 9:51:57 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
>
> I just bought a pair of Rhyno Lite XL rims (slightly wider than the 
> non-xl?) for my Susie, planning to run fairly knobby 2.6" tires, don't 
> anticipate any problems. I currently have Steilacoom tires on narrow 
> vintage racing rims, no problem. 2.3" Thunderburts on Atlas, no problem. 
> 2.1" Powerblocks on super skinny 26" vintage road rims, no problem. Etc. As 
> pointed out, when running appropriately proportionate pressures, you are 
> unlikely to have problems except at the most extreme ends. Despite what 
> Velocity says.
>
>
>

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