[RBW] Re: FS: WTT Cheviot Take-offs (Silver cranks/grips/brooks)

[Manuel Acosta]

Interested in the brooks saddle if its still for sale?
Manny

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:

> Just purchased a beautiful Cheviot and i seem to have some parts i need 
> traded or sold. 
>
> Silver Crank. Triple 184mm ARMS! -$120 very minty
>   Willing to trade for something with shorter arms. Just needs to be 
> RIVbike like!
> [image: IMG_1624.jpg]
> Brooks Cambium brown- $50
>willing to trade for Rivbike like saddle. Brook or others in leather
> [image: IMG_1625.jpg]
> Ergon grips. very minty. $10
> [image: 5028de30544b3363932f18cc81be2078.jpg]
> Willing to trade or sell IRD shifter stem mount- $40
>   looking for bar shifter mount. single, right.
> [image: IMG_1627.jpg]
>
>
> *Willing to trade for front small racks also. I.E( nitto, velo. )must be 
> silver/chrome*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Leah Peterson]

Eamon, I laughed out loud when I read this. My poor Clementine...it’s hard not 
to ride the newest, shiniest thing, isn’t it. If the Platypus moves more 
lithely uphill, my Clem will REALLY be neglected. But I’m still loyal to it; 
it’s a keeper. Raspberry Sparkle though...that’s just got a nice ring to it...🤣 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Eamon Nordquist  wrote:
> 
> That’s a great looking bike! Sorry, Clem(entine), there’s a new sheriff in 
> town, Raspberry Sparkle. I expect you’re going to really love that sweet ride.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Mark Roland]

Roberta wrote:
*They must have read this and modified the web page to clarify.  *

Excellent! Now they will see the (my) demand and get to the drawing board 
on those wool limolive-with-Riv-guy-suspended-from-handlebars logoed 
slipper jammies! I know what I'm getting myself for Christmas 2022!


On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:52:54 PM UTC-4, 

> Platypus like most of our bikes are/have:
>
>- Tough steel frame
>- Comfortable seat
>- upright Handlebars within reach
>- Rack Mounts in the right place
>- Fender Mounts in the right place
>- Room for big tires 2.2" (up to 48mm fendered)
>- Wiggle room for those big tires
>
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-platypus-2020-eta-november
>   
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 7:18:36 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Really like that custom color too!
>>
>> On the site it says it fits “50c smooth tires with wiggle room”. Does 
>> anyone know if that means 50c with fenders?
>>
>> ☆ Paul
>> On Oct 1, 2020, 7:03 AM -0400, Mark Roland , wrote:
>>
>> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
>> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
>> yet? I always get confused with this.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote: 
>>>
>>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
>>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
>>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
>>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade, 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>>

 That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 


 On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
 wrote:

> While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely 
> for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle 
> colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's 
> luscious 
> razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, 
> more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!
>
> [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]
>
> [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]
>
> [image: 
> 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote: 
>>
>> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special 
>> as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
>> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
>> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.  
>>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!!
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: TRP Drilled Brake Levers

[masmojo]

You can get a nearly identical brake in the Origin 8 brand, for much less!

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 1:10:47 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I just ordered some of gum ones online a few days ago, I should have known 
> people on this list would have some laying about :D 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Sam in the House

[masmojo]

Paul that looks Brilliant! The cable housing & Pedals are fine! 
The stone in my shoe is the Handlebars & Stem with adapter: I'm sorry, but 
they are giving me the Willies! :-(

I've had Blue Components on & off on my Orange Clementine; it's a great 
look!

On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 3:23:53 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> I made some changes on my Sam this morning.
>
> Most notable, the shifters, brake levers, 
> cable housing, 45T outer chain ring and rear derailer.
>
> I need to fine tune positioning of the thumb shifters.
>
> The blue housing seemed cool in my visualization but now installed I'm not 
> too sure.
>
> Also I think the orange pedals will be replaced by silver.
>
> I do kinda dig the blue chain ring.
>
> Paul in Dallas
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> [image: Image][image: Image][image: Image][image: Image] 
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Re: [RBW] Platypus: First Look

[masmojo]

Leah, that is absolutely fabulous and inspiring. I can only hope the colors 
of the production models are coming in are more appealing in person 

Patrick, the Redline Monocog is a great bike and I've very nearly bought 
one on a couple occasions; probably would have were it not for the fact 
I've got a half dozen very similar bikes already. 

Great simple bikes for just getting out and exploring/ cruising.

I assume you are getting the Dick brake version?
You will post pictures correct?


On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 5:55:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I laughed, but in a friendly way, not a sneering way, at your enthusiasm, 
> and opened my eyes wide at the build list; hi-end! Nice!
>
> I'm not sure a Platypus is my cup o' tea, but yours as described will 
> certainly be an elegant build and, if you ride it as you've ridden your 
> others, it will be a very practical build.
>
> Between my eyes and my monitor, I can't say what the frame color is; can 
> you clarify in words what I can't see on screen? Purpley-gray?
>
> Me, I am just making final arrangements to trade the remnants of a Riv 
> Road custom for a brutalist, cheap (but nicely cheap!) ready-to-ride 
> Redline Monocog 29er; this after I just had the same weird custom replaced 
> by a locally built, more integrated (racks and fenders and lighting 
> routing), more liberally tired (takes 42s under fenders) replacement. 
>
> Patrick Moore
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Re: [RBW] Picked this up today

[Joel Stern]

We’re just starting to get some, been a dry summer but I think you need it
more.

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> back from the shop built up.  I had to make a few adjustments, normal
> stuff, saddle height, bar height and angle, get the water bottle cage on
> and finally get a chance to put an old nitto rear rack on.  If it dies not
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Re: [RBW] Picked this up today

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Joel:

Can you please send some of that rain to California?

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> On Oct 1, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Joel S  wrote:
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> in CA.  I picked up this leftover 51cm Sam Hillborne from the Psychic 
> Derailleur and just got it back from the shop built up.  I had to make a few 
> adjustments, normal stuff, saddle height, bar height and angle, get the water 
> bottle cage on and finally get a chance to put an old nitto rear rack on.  If 
> it dies not rain tomorrow as predicted a nice ride, if it does the bars get 
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Brett Callahan]

Wholeheartedly agree, Bill.   I don't need a company to be in lockstep with 
me  politically to support it, but it's refreshing to feel really, really 
good about where I spend my discretionary dollars.  I love that Riv is 
doing this and hope other in the industry follow their lead.  

Cheers, Brett in PDX

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>
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> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Joe T]

While I don’t agree with this risky business decision, he can run it any 
way he wants. I just hope this will not put Rivendell out of business. 

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 6:03:40 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Definitely agree.
> Bravo Riv
>
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 11:59:05 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
>> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
>> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>>
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>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Eamon Nordquist]

That’s a great looking bike! Sorry, Clem(entine), there’s a new sheriff in 
town, Raspberry Sparkle. I expect you’re going to really love that sweet ride.

Eamon
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Roberta]

They must have read this and modified the web page to clarify.  It now 
says: 

Platypus like most of our bikes are/have:

   - Tough steel frame
   - Comfortable seat
   - upright Handlebars within reach
   - Rack Mounts in the right place
   - Fender Mounts in the right place
   - Room for big tires 2.2" (up to 48mm fendered)
   - Wiggle room for those big tires


https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-platypus-2020-eta-november
  




On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 7:18:36 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Really like that custom color too!
>
> On the site it says it fits “50c smooth tires with wiggle room”. Does 
> anyone know if that means 50c with fenders?
>
> ☆ Paul
> On Oct 1, 2020, 7:03 AM -0400, Mark Roland  >, wrote:
>
> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
> yet? I always get confused with this.
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote: 
>>
>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade, 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely 
 for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle 
 colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's luscious 
 razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, 
 more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!

 [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]

 [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]

 [image: 
 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]



 On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote: 
>
> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special as 
> Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.  
>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!!
>>
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[J Schwartz]

Definitely agree.
Bravo Riv


On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 11:59:05 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[greenteadrinkers]

Just came across this article in WashPo a few mins. ago, examines some of 
the history of slavery in CA and what reparations might look like.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/10/01/california-slavery-reparations/

Scott

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-4 Trenker wrote:

> Wouldn't a white racist just pocket the money? 
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 4:21:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Towards Doug's very kind suggestion let me add this product that 
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works now sells on rivbike.com:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/brp-contribution
>>
>> If you like the program, consider buying that product.  If you don't, 
>> then don't.  Easy peasy.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> One way to support this effort is to donate any unused Rivendollars to 
>>> the program.  Over the years, many of us have donated to RBW based on using 
>>> these as store credits.  I for one have still got some, and I know others 
>>> who were willing to give theirs to someone else.  Even though old 
>>> Rivendollars don't help their cash flow, they could assist in "balancing 
>>> the books" by being applied to this worthy effort.  
>>>
>>> I've already told Grant to use mine as he wishes, and call on others to 
>>> pass yours along too.  
>>>
>>> Doug Peterson
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
 Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement 
 makes 
 me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Joe Bernard]

I'm with Garth on this one..I have a perspective, too, which I'm not going 
to share here because this is a "Riv bikes and rides" site. The company can 
do other stuff and we can talk about it on their Instagram to our heart's 
content. 

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 11:52:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
> As much as I'd like to offer my perspective on all this, this topic is way 
> beyond the stated bounds of the group. 
>
> No, Jim cannot make exceptions as if he allows even one such discussion to 
> stand, inevitably the next one that comes up someone will cry foul ... "you 
> let such and such be discussed, why not this ?".   
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Trenker]

Wouldn't a white racist just pocket the money? 

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 4:21:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Towards Doug's very kind suggestion let me add this product that Rivendell 
> Bicycle Works now sells on rivbike.com:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/brp-contribution
>
> If you like the program, consider buying that product.  If you don't, then 
> don't.  Easy peasy.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> One way to support this effort is to donate any unused Rivendollars to 
>> the program.  Over the years, many of us have donated to RBW based on using 
>> these as store credits.  I for one have still got some, and I know others 
>> who were willing to give theirs to someone else.  Even though old 
>> Rivendollars don't help their cash flow, they could assist in "balancing 
>> the books" by being applied to this worthy effort.  
>>
>> I've already told Grant to use mine as he wishes, and call on others to 
>> pass yours along too.  
>>
>> Doug Peterson
>>
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
>>> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
>>> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini Grilver 54 Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know which current bikes you have or what you picture as a "pure 
road" bike so I'll provide my experience: I have two 650B Rivs with cantis 
or v-brakes built pretty stout (Bombadil and Riv Custom), and used to have 
a 54cm Roadini. I consider the Roadini with 700 x 33.3 Jack Browns a 
livelier, lighter road bike and highly recommend it for bombing around town 
at a fast clip. 

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:01:22 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> So I don't have a "pure road" bike. I've got a 650b all road and a road 
> touring bike. Thoughts from the group on if this would be good to have as 
> my only "pure road" bike? 
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:09:32 AM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>
>> Brakes are sold.
>>
>> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:51:50 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>
>>> Also for sale, Shimano Brakes BR-R451  - $35 shipped to continental USA.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:44:27 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>>
 For sale is a size 54 Grilver Roadini Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost.  
 Purchased in Oct 2019 (from Rivelo I think).  Less than 500 miles on the 
 frame.  The included BB is Shimano BBUN55 113mm.  The worst scratches is 
 on 
 the top tube where the bike rack arm pushed down on the cable onto the top 
 tube (see pics) & where the FD was located.  I will have the frame packed 
 by REI.  Ships from Georgia.  Asking $600 shipped to continental USA.  
 Contact offlist if interested.  Paypal for payment unless we can work out 
 another arrangement.  
 Pics:  
 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing

>>>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Bill Lindsay]

Towards Doug's very kind suggestion let me add this product that Rivendell 
Bicycle Works now sells on rivbike.com:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/brp-contribution

If you like the program, consider buying that product.  If you don't, then 
don't.  Easy peasy.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> One way to support this effort is to donate any unused Rivendollars to the 
> program.  Over the years, many of us have donated to RBW based on using 
> these as store credits.  I for one have still got some, and I know others 
> who were willing to give theirs to someone else.  Even though old 
> Rivendollars don't help their cash flow, they could assist in "balancing 
> the books" by being applied to this worthy effort.  
>
> I've already told Grant to use mine as he wishes, and call on others to 
> pass yours along too.  
>
> Doug Peterson
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
>> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
>> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Ray]

Thanks for the reply, Nikko. Like I said I agree with the gesture but not 
sure about it's efficacy. I guess I hadn't considered that the goal is not 
just to get more Black people on bikes and pursuing it as a hobby/sport, 
but to get them into Riv-specific brand of riding which is certainly more 
niche than the sport in general, though both similarly homogeneous. I hope 
that it results in a positive change.

Ray

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 3:09:55 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> One way to support this effort is to donate any unused Rivendollars to the 
> program.  Over the years, many of us have donated to RBW based on using 
> these as store credits.  I for one have still got some, and I know others 
> who were willing to give theirs to someone else.  Even though old 
> Rivendollars don't help their cash flow, they could assist in "balancing 
> the books" by being applied to this worthy effort.  
>
> I've already told Grant to use mine as he wishes, and call on others to 
> pass yours along too.  
>
> Doug Peterson
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
>> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
>> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[dougP]

One way to support this effort is to donate any unused Rivendollars to the 
program.  Over the years, many of us have donated to RBW based on using 
these as store credits.  I for one have still got some, and I know others 
who were willing to give theirs to someone else.  Even though old 
Rivendollars don't help their cash flow, they could assist in "balancing 
the books" by being applied to this worthy effort.  

I've already told Grant to use mine as he wishes, and call on others to 
pass yours along too.  

Doug Peterson

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[David B]

I agree with Bill in the increased likeliness now of me spending more money 
at RBW.
David
River Grove, IL

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:59:05 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks aeroperf.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:19 PM aeroperf  wrote:

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> What Ray said - Simple Green.  It works in my chain cleaner, is easily
> available, and cheap.
> Finish Line is another citrus based product, but pricey.
>
> I've stayed away from Purple Power since the manufacturer says:
> "Purple Power is not recommended for use when washing cars as it could
>
> possibly destroy the clear coat surface and damage the paint."
> "Do not use Purple Power on Stainless Steel or Aluminum as it could leave
>
> white streaks or a hazy film. If accidentally used on Stainless Steel
>
> or Aluminum and you have this residue, try buffing with a Metal Polish,
>
> such as Wenols or Mothers Metal Polish to restore finish."
> "Purple Power is not recommended for use on Chrome or Copper.  Chrome can
> become etched and will be permanently damaged."
>
> Since my Sam has painted surfaces, aluminum chainrings, and some chrome
> bits, I'll stick with Simple Green.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Benz.  Basically just to keep the chain clean, especially after
season for winter storage.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 2:01 PM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
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> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
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>> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with
>> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with
>> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?
>
>
> Finish Line citrus degreaser is one of the strongest degreasers I've tried
> outside of industrial degreasers. If you require its full degreasing power,
> you'll find that the popular alternatives like Simple Green probably won't
> work as well. In between Simple Green and Finish Line citrus degreaser are
> the automotive degreasers. I find full-strength Purple Power to be
> sufficiently powerful enough to easily degrease chains and chainrings. It's
> also remarkably inexpensive, with gallon jugs selling for about $5 at
> Walmart.
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> from non-bicycle sources. They're usually sold as "100% D-Limonene" for
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Ray.


On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ray  wrote:

> Simple Green. It might be my favorite product of any variety ever period.
> It's like magic.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:38:24 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
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>> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with
>> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with
>> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
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[RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[aeroperf]

What Ray said - Simple Green.  It works in my chain cleaner, is easily 
available, and cheap.
Finish Line is another citrus based product, but pricey.

I've stayed away from Purple Power since the manufacturer says:
"Purple Power is not recommended for use when washing cars as it could 
possibly destroy the clear coat surface and damage the paint."
"Do not use Purple Power on Stainless Steel or Aluminum as it could leave 
white streaks or a hazy film. If accidentally used on Stainless Steel or 
Aluminum and you have this residue, try buffing with a Metal Polish, such 
as Wenols or Mothers Metal Polish to restore finish."
"Purple Power is not recommended for use on Chrome or Copper.  Chrome can 
become etched and will be permanently damaged."

Since my Sam has painted surfaces, aluminum chainrings, and some chrome 
bits, I'll stick with Simple Green.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Joel Stern]

It has not started yet.  It says sometime in Nov.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 9:14 AM 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Damn.  Did I miss this?  Usually they give us some warning.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 6:03:32 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
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>> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size
>> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released"
>> yet? I always get confused with this.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope
>>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order
>>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is
>>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>>

 That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie


 On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland 
 wrote:

> While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely
> for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle
> colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's luscious
> razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too,
> more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!
>
> [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]
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> [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]
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> [image:
> 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]
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>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special
>> as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua
>> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm
>> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.
>>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Garth]

As much as I'd like to offer my perspective on all this, this topic is way 
beyond the stated bounds of the group. 

No, Jim cannot make exceptions as if he allows even one such discussion to 
stand, inevitably the next one that comes up someone will cry foul ... "you 
let such and such be discussed, why not this ?".   




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[RBW] BRP

[Eamon Nordquist]

Bill said:
“Their announcement makes me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell 
Bicycle Works.”

I agree.

Eamon
Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] BRP

[Nikko Mendoza]

Hey Ray, 

Cycling is a predominantly white sport. Part of Diversity and Inclusion is 
creating the space and accessibility for Black Folx to enter these spaces where 
they felt welcomed because the spaces didn’t seem to have representation from 
people like them. Certainly, as a brown cyclist, I still don’t feel welcomed in 
many of these spaces because I don’t often see brown people on these group 
rides or camp outs. That’s to no fault of the individuals, but the history of 
the sport. 

I think of this as a way for Rivendell to more directly impact that bottom line 
of diversity within the niche bicycle space that they exists in, while still 
furthering their brand and business. 

And yes, it gets complicated from a verification standpoint, but that’s where 
Rivendell is employing the trust of their niche consumer base. The cost of a 
Riv complete with a 45% discount is still more than the price of say a Surly 
Straggler. Someone could still go to another bicycle company and get a bike, 
but instead they’re buying into a company and niche that feels more inclusive 
than the rest of the bicycle industry. 

Cycling is a historically White sport. Cycling is a historically racist sport. 
Therefore, I personally believe the word “reparations” to describe this effort 
the sport more inclusive to Black folx is correct. 

I know you’re not shooting down the idea, Ray, but I hope that I could share 
some perspective! 

Believing in creating inclusive spaces, 
Nikko 

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> I'm conflicted about this. Not because I don't agree with the values behind 
> it or the intention. I align with Grant and co. in their sensibilities, and I 
> love that they are prioritizing this over profits. But I guess I just don't 
> see this as doing the good that Grant seems to think it will. I think 
> donating a percentage of profits to Black organizations, perhaps especially 
> those interested in getting more Black folks on bicycles if that's part of 
> the plan, would be a better route. This all just seems too complicated with 
> the weird way that they are going to have to verify race and the looming 
> threat they could take it away at any moment with just the suspicion that 
> they are being taken advantage of. Also, I sort of fundamentally disagree 
> with their use of the term "reparations" to describe this program. I think 
> reparations have to be more concretely tied to history, and I don't know that 
> a discount on a Rivendell should qualify. 
> 
> Of course, I will continue to support Riv, and I am in no way offended by 
> this program. I agree that if anything this deepens my appreciation for them 
> as a company, and I hope I'm not seen as being a detractor for this post. 
> Their hearts are absolutely in the right place, and I want this initiative to 
> have more success than I'm giving it credit for.
> 
> Ray
> 
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:59:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle Works 
> putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes me more 
> likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Ray]

I'm conflicted about this. Not because I don't agree with the values behind 
it or the intention. I align with Grant and co. in their sensibilities, and 
I love that they are prioritizing this over profits. But I guess I just 
don't see this as doing the good that Grant seems to think it will. I think 
donating a percentage of profits to Black organizations, perhaps especially 
those interested in getting more Black folks on bicycles if that's part of 
the plan, would be a better route. This all just seems too complicated with 
the weird way that they are going to have to verify race and the looming 
threat they could take it away at any moment with just the suspicion that 
they are being taken advantage of. Also, I sort of fundamentally disagree 
with their use of the term "reparations" to describe this program. I think 
reparations have to be more concretely tied to history, and I don't know 
that a discount on a Rivendell should qualify. 

Of course, I will continue to support Riv, and I am in no way offended by 
this program. I agree that if anything this deepens my appreciation for 
them as a company, and I hope I'm not seen as being a detractor for this 
post. Their hearts are absolutely in the right place, and I want this 
initiative to have more success than I'm giving it credit for.

Ray

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:59:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm a big fan of the El Duke degreaser Rivendell sells. Works amazingly 
well. Silca sells these gear wipes 
(https://silca.cc/collections/workbench/products/hirobel-gear-wipes-canister-110-sheets)
 
I've taken to using on our bikes after wet rides. One towel will pretty 
much clean a whole bike, though maybe not the chain or cassette. Saves the 
need to use an old T-shirt and a separate degreaser.
Tom Milani
Alexandria, VA

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 1:52:01 PM UTC-4, Ray wrote:
>
> Simple Green. It might be my favorite product of any variety ever period. 
> It's like magic.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:38:24 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with 
>> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with 
>> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Joel 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with 
> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with 
> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?


Finish Line citrus degreaser is one of the strongest degreasers I've tried 
outside of industrial degreasers. If you require its full degreasing power, 
you'll find that the popular alternatives like Simple Green probably won't 
work as well. In between Simple Green and Finish Line citrus degreaser are 
the automotive degreasers. I find full-strength Purple Power to be 
sufficiently powerful enough to easily degrease chains and chainrings. It's 
also remarkably inexpensive, with gallon jugs selling for about $5 at 
Walmart.

If you still want to continue with citrus degreaser, try buying in bulk 
from non-bicycle sources. They're usually sold as "100% D-Limonene" for 
much less than $14/20oz.

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[RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Ray]

Simple Green. It might be my favorite product of any variety ever period. 
It's like magic.

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:38:24 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with 
> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with 
> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?
>
> Thank you
>
> Joel 
>

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[RBW] Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel S]

I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with 
finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with 
the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?

Thank you

Joel 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv. Camping trip, NYC, seeking route advice

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Wow! That's way better than my suggestion!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini Grilver 54 Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost

[Pat Smith]

So I don't have a "pure road" bike. I've got a 650b all road and a road 
touring bike. Thoughts from the group on if this would be good to have as 
my only "pure road" bike? 


On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:09:32 AM UTC-4 RDS wrote:

> Brakes are sold.
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:51:50 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>
>> Also for sale, Shimano Brakes BR-R451  - $35 shipped to continental USA.
>>
>> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:44:27 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>
>>> For sale is a size 54 Grilver Roadini Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost.  
>>> Purchased in Oct 2019 (from Rivelo I think).  Less than 500 miles on the 
>>> frame.  The included BB is Shimano BBUN55 113mm.  The worst scratches is on 
>>> the top tube where the bike rack arm pushed down on the cable onto the top 
>>> tube (see pics) & where the FD was located.  I will have the frame packed 
>>> by REI.  Ships from Georgia.  Asking $600 shipped to continental USA.  
>>> Contact offlist if interested.  Paypal for payment unless we can work out 
>>> another arrangement.  
>>> Pics:  
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing
>>>
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[RBW] BRP

[Bill Lindsay]

Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[greenteadrinkers]

Wow, that looks amazing! Can't wait to see how you build it out!

Scott

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 9:21:29 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As far as I can tell (which is never as far as I think it is), they just 
> have this stuff up so people can see/read about the frame. They'll announce 
> when you can actually buy one, so best be subscribed to e-mails. 
>
> Ben
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:13:58 AM UTC-5 Ann L wrote:
>
>> Damn.  Did I miss this?  Usually they give us some warning.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 6:03:32 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
>>> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
>>> yet? I always get confused with this.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle 
>>> Ding Ding! wrote:

 I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
 Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
 another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
 Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
 Leah

 On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:

>
> That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
> wrote:
>
>> While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely 
>> for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle 
>> colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's 
>> luscious 
>> razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, 
>> more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!
>>
>> [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]
>>
>> [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 
>> 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special 
>>> as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
>>> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
>>> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:



   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 
 'ol.  Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!! 

>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[greenteadrinkers]

I recently had issue with a Nitto stem coupled to a Bosco bar, for me, the 
bar would slip up and down. No matter how much I leaned into the stem bolts 
(same Nitto set up as yours - not the nice triangular rear bolt), just 
could not solve the issue, so I decided to move to the Bosco moose, problem 
solved. Creaky stems are the worst, I hope you get your problem solved 
without too much issue.

Scott

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 9:52:53 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m SO glad that my old thread was of use to you. There is nothing that 
> will ruin your ride like unexplained clicks/squeaks. Yay for you!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>
> I started a new thread without searching (my bad...sorry!), but Mark was 
> so kind as to point me to this one. I had the EXACT same noise in the same 
> situations as in Leah's video. The squeaky/click when pressure is applied 
> to the bars and when pressure is taken off. Hard to duplicate when not in 
> motion, but CONSTANT when in motion. Brand new Choco bars on a brand new 
> Tallux stem. 
>
>
> This thread helped tremendously...re-greasing the stem/wedge did not help. 
> I applied some grease to the bolt that tightens the clamp - no change. I 
> applied a little bit of T9 on the bar where it is clamped and the 
> squeak/click went away but came back after riding for about five 
> minutes...but nowhere near as often or loud as before. I slid out the 
> handlebar from the stem, wiped it down, reapplied a slightly heavier coat 
> of T9, re-installed bars,  and turned the handlebars so that the interface 
> would drip onto a paper towel I left on the ground. This morning, I wiped 
> off excess, could not make the sound happen inside, and rode to work 
> without any creak/clicks/squeaks.
>
> Fantastic! The best part is I don't need to call up Rivendell and bug 
> them. 
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:46:04 PM UTC-5 ted wrote:
>
>> All the technomic ish stems I've had are of the deluxish genus with the 
>> nice custom "nut" that matches the stem shape.
>> But If presented with one of the other kind with a standard nut, I would 
>> put a wrench on it and not trust the, in my view, sketchy ledge to hold it.
>> Because, I don't buy aluminum wrenches or sockets, and much prefer 6 
>> point tools over 12. So even if the clearance were very tight I wouldn't 
>> trust it.
>> But hey that's just me. YMMV
>>
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:44:55 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> aeroprof
>>>
>>> I agree with you, no substitution was made on Leah's stem.
>>>
>>> What I meant was Nitto designed the stem for a Standard M6 hex nut (13mm 
>>> flats) some time before 2000 when I bought my 225mm Technomic with 80mm 
>>> stem.  Some time between 2000 and 2010 Nitto made a design change to go to 
>>> a JIS M6 hex nut with 12mm flats.
>>> The design change added 0.5mm of margin between the nut flat and the 
>>> ledge and is reasonable, but not as tolerate to the allowed tolerances in 
>>> the bolt hole location and the ledge shape/location.
>>>
>>> I would guess they made a change if they were running into too many 
>>> problems with the clearance between the nut flat and ledge.  All very 
>>> reasonable, but *only* Nitto can say for sure.
>>>
>>> I think Leah's stem simply fell outside of the 6-sigma bell curve and 
>>> was not caught by Nitto.
>>>
>>> I think she ought to return it to RBW, and if they want they can pursue 
>>> it with Nitto.  Or maybe RBW/Nitto might say, " Ok it's 1 out X000's, which 
>>> we expected.  Give the a new one"
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:02:26 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:


 John—

 No, I don’t think they substituted a JIS nut for a standard M8 nut in 
 this particular unit.  That was my first thought but my nut is close 
 enough 
 to the “step” that it looks like the design is for the JIS 12mm.

 My thought is more like #1 or #6 in Paul’s entry above, and your 
 comment yesterday.
 Say the hole is drilled a little off, or at a very tiny angle, or 
 something like that.  You have to drill a hole a tiny bit oversized to 
 account for manufacturing tolerance of the bolts, but just a little more 
 and things can be off center.
 There is also the fact that the step has a “draft” - it has a slight 
 radius, at least on mine.  So the nut already may have an opportunity to 
 misalign a little, and a very slightly misaligned or oversized hole would 
 let it spin.
 Finally, Leah’s photo indicates that the bolt/nut was slightly offset 
 from the center of the hole.

 We tend to think “It’s just a bicycle”, but it is really a collection 
 of precision parts clamped in loose formation.
 Sometimes a part has a bad day in the manufacturing process and 
 sometimes the quality inspectors don’t catch that.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Leah Peterson]

I’m SO glad that my old thread was of use to you. There is nothing that will 
ruin your ride like unexplained clicks/squeaks. Yay for you!

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
> 
> I started a new thread without searching (my bad...sorry!), but Mark was so 
> kind as to point me to this one. I had the EXACT same noise in the same 
> situations as in Leah's video. The squeaky/click when pressure is applied to 
> the bars and when pressure is taken off. Hard to duplicate when not in 
> motion, but CONSTANT when in motion. Brand new Choco bars on a brand new 
> Tallux stem. 
> 
> This thread helped tremendously...re-greasing the stem/wedge did not help. I 
> applied some grease to the bolt that tightens the clamp - no change. I 
> applied a little bit of T9 on the bar where it is clamped and the 
> squeak/click went away but came back after riding for about five 
> minutes...but nowhere near as often or loud as before. I slid out the 
> handlebar from the stem, wiped it down, reapplied a slightly heavier coat of 
> T9, re-installed bars,  and turned the handlebars so that the interface would 
> drip onto a paper towel I left on the ground. This morning, I wiped off 
> excess, could not make the sound happen inside, and rode to work without any 
> creak/clicks/squeaks.
> 
> Fantastic! The best part is I don't need to call up Rivendell and bug them. 
> 
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:46:04 PM UTC-5 ted wrote:
>> All the technomic ish stems I've had are of the deluxish genus with the nice 
>> custom "nut" that matches the stem shape.
>> But If presented with one of the other kind with a standard nut, I would put 
>> a wrench on it and not trust the, in my view, sketchy ledge to hold it.
>> Because, I don't buy aluminum wrenches or sockets, and much prefer 6 point 
>> tools over 12. So even if the clearance were very tight I wouldn't trust it.
>> But hey that's just me. YMMV
>> 
>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:44:55 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>> aeroprof
>>> 
>>> I agree with you, no substitution was made on Leah's stem.
>>> 
>>> What I meant was Nitto designed the stem for a Standard M6 hex nut (13mm 
>>> flats) some time before 2000 when I bought my 225mm Technomic with 80mm 
>>> stem.  Some time between 2000 and 2010 Nitto made a design change to go to 
>>> a JIS M6 hex nut with 12mm flats.
>>> The design change added 0.5mm of margin between the nut flat and the 
>>> ledge and is reasonable, but not as tolerate to the allowed tolerances in 
>>> the bolt hole location and the ledge shape/location.
>>> 
>>> I would guess they made a change if they were running into too many 
>>> problems with the clearance between the nut flat and ledge.  All very 
>>> reasonable, but only Nitto can say for sure.
>>> 
>>> I think Leah's stem simply fell outside of the 6-sigma bell curve and was 
>>> not caught by Nitto.
>>> 
>>> I think she ought to return it to RBW, and if they want they can pursue it 
>>> with Nitto.  Or maybe RBW/Nitto might say, " Ok it's 1 out X000's, which we 
>>> expected.  Give the a new one"
>>> 
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:02:26 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
 
 John—
 
 No, I don’t think they substituted a JIS nut for a standard M8 nut in this 
 particular unit.  That was my first thought but my nut is close enough to 
 the “step” that it looks like the design is for the JIS 12mm.
 
 My thought is more like #1 or #6 in Paul’s entry above, and your comment 
 yesterday.
 Say the hole is drilled a little off, or at a very tiny angle, or 
 something like that.  You have to drill a hole a tiny bit oversized to 
 account for manufacturing tolerance of the bolts, but just a little more 
 and things can be off center.
 There is also the fact that the step has a “draft” - it has a slight 
 radius, at least on mine.  So the nut already may have an opportunity to 
 misalign a little, and a very slightly misaligned or oversized hole would 
 let it spin.
 Finally, Leah’s photo indicates that the bolt/nut was slightly offset from 
 the center of the hole.
 
 We tend to think “It’s just a bicycle”, but it is really a collection of 
 precision parts clamped in loose formation.
 Sometimes a part has a bad day in the manufacturing process and sometimes 
 the quality inspectors don’t catch that.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Ben Mihovk]

As far as I can tell (which is never as far as I think it is), they just 
have this stuff up so people can see/read about the frame. They'll announce 
when you can actually buy one, so best be subscribed to e-mails. 

Ben

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:13:58 AM UTC-5 Ann L wrote:

> Damn.  Did I miss this?  Usually they give us some warning.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 6:03:32 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
>> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
>> yet? I always get confused with this.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
>>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
>>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
>>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>>

 That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 


 On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
 wrote:

> While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely 
> for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle 
> colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's 
> luscious 
> razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, 
> more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!
>
> [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]
>
> [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]
>
> [image: 
> 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special 
>> as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
>> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
>> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.  
>>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!! 
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Shoji Takahashi]

Platypus hasn't been released for sale, yet. 

I hope Riv is sper busy with these frames and others that are coming 
into their shop. Riv noted that it will no longer take frames out of the 
boxes and do their usual prep... only to re-box and send it on the way to 
customers. This should make it a lot easier for them, and faster for 
customers to receive frames. 

(Riv will still do prep if asked... charging for time as they should.)

Tailwinds,
Shoji
Arlington MA

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 9:13:58 AM UTC-4 Ann L wrote:

> Damn.  Did I miss this?  Usually they give us some warning.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 6:03:32 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
>> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
>> yet? I always get confused with this.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
>>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
>>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
>>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>>

 That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 


 On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
 wrote:

> While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely 
> for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle 
> colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's 
> luscious 
> razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, 
> more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!
>
> [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]
>
> [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]
>
> [image: 
> 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special 
>> as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
>> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
>> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.  
>>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!! 
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - 56cm green Rambouillet, close to pristine condition, $1450

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wanted to bump this up and let everyone know that I've not been able to 
locate a nearby buyer so the Rambouillet is now "shippable." I'd be happy 
to work with anyone connect with a shop to arrange packing and shipping. 
 So let me know if you need any more info or have any questions.  Thanks!


On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-4, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am posting this for a friend who has been unable to ride for a number of 
> years and his Ram has been sitting unused in his garage.  It is "almost" in 
> almost pristine condition with very few miles. There are just a couple of 
> scratches on the top tube from a garage tip over. I've just ordered some 
> touch up paint for those.  Everything is in fantastic condition and the 
> bike is awesome. I've got an original orange Ram and I love these bikes!
>
> Here are the details:
>
> Rambouillet frame, 56 (cm center to top)
> Noodle bars 44cm
> Technomic stem - 11cm
> Shimano levers and mid reach brakes
> Shimano 9spd bar ends
> Sugino crank 48/36/26, 170mm crank arms
> Nitto seat post
> Brooks Champion B17
> Shimano Xt rear derailler
> Shimano 105 front derailler
> Shimano 105 hubs/Mavic Open Pro rims 32 spokes
> 28mm Ruffy Tuffy tires (nearly new)
> Shimano cassette - 12-32
> Wellgo SPD/flat pedals
>
> The seat height in the pics is 74cm. There's room for 35 Compass Bon Jon 
> Pass tires. My friend would ideally like to avoid shipping so a sale within 
> a 100 mi radius from Asheville, NC would be ideal (he's willing to drive to 
> meet a buyer within that distance), but it would be an option if the buyer 
> would cover packing and shipping costs.
>
> Here's a link to a bunch more pics:  
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xJr1PPdJtSRx0
>
> Any questions please email me at:   glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
> Asheville, NC
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Damn.  Did I miss this?  Usually they give us some warning.

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 6:03:32 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
> yet? I always get confused with this.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely 
 for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle 
 colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's luscious 
 razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, 
 more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!

 [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]

 [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]

 [image: 
 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]



 On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special as 
> Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.  
>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!! 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Ben Mihovk]

I started a new thread without searching (my bad...sorry!), but Mark was so 
kind as to point me to this one. I had the EXACT same noise in the same 
situations as in Leah's video. The squeaky/click when pressure is applied 
to the bars and when pressure is taken off. Hard to duplicate when not in 
motion, but CONSTANT when in motion. Brand new Choco bars on a brand new 
Tallux stem. 

This thread helped tremendously...re-greasing the stem/wedge did not help. 
I applied some grease to the bolt that tightens the clamp - no change. I 
applied a little bit of T9 on the bar where it is clamped and the 
squeak/click went away but came back after riding for about five 
minutes...but nowhere near as often or loud as before. I slid out the 
handlebar from the stem, wiped it down, reapplied a slightly heavier coat 
of T9, re-installed bars,  and turned the handlebars so that the interface 
would drip onto a paper towel I left on the ground. This morning, I wiped 
off excess, could not make the sound happen inside, and rode to work 
without any creak/clicks/squeaks.

Fantastic! The best part is I don't need to call up Rivendell and bug them. 

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:46:04 PM UTC-5 ted wrote:

> All the technomic ish stems I've had are of the deluxish genus with the 
> nice custom "nut" that matches the stem shape.
> But If presented with one of the other kind with a standard nut, I would 
> put a wrench on it and not trust the, in my view, sketchy ledge to hold it.
> Because, I don't buy aluminum wrenches or sockets, and much prefer 6 point 
> tools over 12. So even if the clearance were very tight I wouldn't trust it.
> But hey that's just me. YMMV
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:44:55 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> aeroprof
>>
>> I agree with you, no substitution was made on Leah's stem.
>>
>> What I meant was Nitto designed the stem for a Standard M6 hex nut (13mm 
>> flats) some time before 2000 when I bought my 225mm Technomic with 80mm 
>> stem.  Some time between 2000 and 2010 Nitto made a design change to go to 
>> a JIS M6 hex nut with 12mm flats.
>> The design change added 0.5mm of margin between the nut flat and the 
>> ledge and is reasonable, but not as tolerate to the allowed tolerances in 
>> the bolt hole location and the ledge shape/location.
>>
>> I would guess they made a change if they were running into too many 
>> problems with the clearance between the nut flat and ledge.  All very 
>> reasonable, but *only* Nitto can say for sure.
>>
>> I think Leah's stem simply fell outside of the 6-sigma bell curve and was 
>> not caught by Nitto.
>>
>> I think she ought to return it to RBW, and if they want they can pursue 
>> it with Nitto.  Or maybe RBW/Nitto might say, " Ok it's 1 out X000's, which 
>> we expected.  Give the a new one"
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:02:26 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> John—
>>>
>>> No, I don’t think they substituted a JIS nut for a standard M8 nut in 
>>> this particular unit.  That was my first thought but my nut is close enough 
>>> to the “step” that it looks like the design is for the JIS 12mm.
>>>
>>> My thought is more like #1 or #6 in Paul’s entry above, and your comment 
>>> yesterday.
>>> Say the hole is drilled a little off, or at a very tiny angle, or 
>>> something like that.  You have to drill a hole a tiny bit oversized to 
>>> account for manufacturing tolerance of the bolts, but just a little more 
>>> and things can be off center.
>>> There is also the fact that the step has a “draft” - it has a slight 
>>> radius, at least on mine.  So the nut already may have an opportunity to 
>>> misalign a little, and a very slightly misaligned or oversized hole would 
>>> let it spin.
>>> Finally, Leah’s photo indicates that the bolt/nut was slightly offset 
>>> from the center of the hole.
>>>
>>> We tend to think “It’s just a bicycle”, but it is really a collection of 
>>> precision parts clamped in loose formation.
>>> Sometimes a part has a bad day in the manufacturing process and 
>>> sometimes the quality inspectors don’t catch that.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Mark Roland]

I think that would depend on how much your fenders wiggle.  But I doubt 
anyone on the list would know the answer at the moment. My guess is if it 
fit 50mm  (not 50c) tires with fenders, and they had tried it a few times, 
it would probably say fits 50mm tires with fenders. Or 45 with, 50 and 
wiggle room without (so you could probably run 48 or 50mm knobbies?

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 7:18:36 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Really like that custom color too!
>
> On the site it says it fits “50c smooth tires with wiggle room”. Does 
> anyone know if that means 50c with fenders?
>
> ☆ Paul
> On Oct 1, 2020, 7:03 AM -0400, Mark Roland  >, wrote:
>
> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
> yet? I always get confused with this.
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote: 
>>
>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade, 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely 
 for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle 
 colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's luscious 
 razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, 
 more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!

 [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]

 [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]

 [image: 
 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]



 On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote: 
>
> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special as 
> Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.  
>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Mark Roland]

Which reminds me: When, I say when, is Rivendell finally going to make a 
full jammies body suit (all wool 
of course)?!! 
Certainly excellent for campouts or lounging at your favorite coffee joint, 
but these bad boys really shine when working from home! And please, please 
make it available in a Blanket Sleeper style 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Paul Budnitz]

Really like that custom color too!

On the site it says it fits “50c smooth tires with wiggle room”. Does anyone 
know if that means 50c with fenders?

☆ Paul
On Oct 1, 2020, 7:03 AM -0400, Mark Roland , wrote:
> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size within 
> a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" yet? I 
> always get confused with this.
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
> > I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
> > Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
> > another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
> > Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
> > Leah
> >
> > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are 
> > > > > > lovely for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my 
> > > > > > favorite bicycle colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for 
> > > > > > missing out on Leah's luscious razz, it goes well with red accents. 
> > > > > > And the blilver is really nice too, more green than recent blues. 
> > > > > > Try it with white grips and pedals!
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
> > > > > > > Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as 
> > > > > > > special as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the 
> > > > > > > light aqua blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me 
> > > > > > > one in a 55.  I'm really looking forward to riding a mixte!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 
> > > > > > > > 'ol.  Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Mark Roland]

>From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size 
within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released" 
yet? I always get confused with this.

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope 
> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order 
> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is 
> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
> Leah
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>
>>
>> That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>>> While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely for 
>>> this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle colors, 
>>> Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's luscious razz, it 
>>> goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too, more green 
>>> than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!
>>>
>>> [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: Legnano_cycling_team_1963.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 
>>> 57370450-turquoise-green-seawater-with-sea-foam-as-seamless-background.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:

 Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special as 
 Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua 
 blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm 
 really looking forward to riding a mixte!



 On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
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>
>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.  
> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!! 
>

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