[RBW] WTT: XL summer gloves for XXXL summer gloves

[Eric Marth]

Recently picked up a pair of summer gloves from Riv but the XLs I picked up 
are too small for me. If someone made a mistake and got some XXLs that were 
too big, let's trade! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Eric Marth]

Wow, thanks for the considerable insight, everyone! I really appreciate the 
assessments, personal histories, preferences and the rest. 

I'm currently running Albatross bars but find I most often ride in the 
forward position of the bars, in front of the brake levers. It's nice to 
take the full upright position to change the grip and riding posture but 
I'm finding it is my least favorite grip. I do love the look of the bars, 
can't deny it and won't try to hide it. 

The bike I have now is a little big for me, I can *just* stand over it. Not 
much seatpost showing (similar, perhaps, to the too-big Sam that Grant 
wrote about in one of the readers). When I first bought it there were some 
45cm drops installed, the widest I'd tried to that point. I thought they 
were pretty groovy and almost felt great. But the stem was way too long and 
I had become possessed of the idea of trying out Albatross bars. 

Of the big bars out there the Nitto/Crust Shaka bars have my attention. As 
others have mentioned the cost and time involved in a swap is considerable. 

Thanks again to everyone for sharing. 
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 4:56:04 PM UTC-5 ryan.merri...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have a Crust Towel Rack bar on a cyclocross bike. I like it, but I have 
> gradually moved my bars on most of my bikes over to Albatross bars or 
> Bullmoose bars because I prefer mtb brake levers. 
>
> The wide drop bar really is comfortable and allows a lot of control of the 
> bike in grass, mud, and rocky terrain. The wide tops are almost like riding 
> a short flat bar
>  and when in the drops you really get a lot of control. It has been my 
> experience that you really have to use a really short stem to make these 
> bars comfortable though. On the Crust Towel rack, I find the bends of the 
> bar to be quite comfortable and don't get any wrist or hand pain. 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:57:43 PM UTC-6 john...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The difference between ultra-wide drops and wide MTB bars is that wide 
>> MTB bars have been mainstream for a while now. Pretty much every MTB I see 
>> these days has
>> very wide bars. Shops sell them and are able to help with setup. Other 
>> riders can also advise. Here in the EU at least, ultra wide drops are still 
>> a bit niche. You need to go online
>> to get them, and to get advice on them. I am the only person near me who 
>> rides with them, and my MTB friends think I'm weird. So I had to do my own 
>> experiments with setup and ergonomics, and I can't really be sure I'm 
>> getting things right, apart from the feedback my arms, back and wrists give 
>> me. I'm glad I didn't give up on wide drops after some initial weirdness, 
>> but it took some patience to find the right ones. YMMV.
>>
>> As for alt-bars, a lot of those seem very similar to older designs like 
>> the German stuttgarter or French Toulouse bar that people have been riding 
>> for decades, so they are not entirely new territory. 
>>
>> The main benefits I've found to wide drops for off road are, first, mud: 
>> I seem to get less bogged down in muddy sections with wider drops, and, 
>> second, steeper, fairly technical climbs. Riding a steep climb in the drops 
>> gives me a more confident grip than either flat bars or barends, and more 
>> leverage than narrower drops. I'm not exactly a 'gnarly' rider by an 
>> stretch of the imagination. I have no idea if wide drops would be a good 
>> idea for drop-offs or other more extreme riding.
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 19:30, Ben Miller  wrote:
>>
>>> I like Collins point with one correction: "The main point I think is 
>>> that *handlebars* are kinda like saddles." 
>>>
>>> As a person who loves drop bars but has always hated how narrow they 
>>> are, I love the recent developments. I own the Crust Towelrack (v2 - Full 
>>> size at 670 mm) and the Crust x Nitto Shaka bar (520 mm). Wide drop bars 
>>> are great for really maximizing different hand positions (so many!) This is 
>>> my main reason for liking them. I heartily disagree with anyone who 
>>> questions their ergonomics, even a little. The Nitto Mustache is 515 mm, 
>>> the Rivendell Albastache is 555 mm, and the Riv Billie 580 mm, and the 
>>> Bullmoose 670 mm! And modern MTB bars are even larger. No one complains 
>>> about those being based upon "ergonomics that haven't been tested 
>>> properly." 
>>>
>>> Personally, I have never liked alt-bars (Albatross, Bullmoose, etc), 
>>> though I love the look of them. But that is me! If you want a wide bar and 
>>> like not having drops, get some alts. If you want a narrow bar and drops 
>>> you're all set. And now, if you've been jonesing for a wide bar with drops, 
>>> you're time has come! I don't think there is much mystery to it. Yes you 
>>> can fit a larger bag, but too me that shouldn't be a reason to get 
>>> handlebars (though it is a nice benefit to wide bars). I'm also middling 
>>> about the off-road aspect. I've never felt like 440 mm noddles prov

Re: [RBW] For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Bones]

Sorry David, you were not. All items have been sold.

Thanks,
Bones

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 4:56:28 PM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:

> Hi Bones,
> This is David. Was I first person to contact you for the saddle?
> David
>
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Bones  wrote:
>
> Hey I can't take credit for that confusion! Sorry, the saddle has already 
> been sold to the first person who contacted me (sorry Philip, someone else 
> contacted me first).
>
> Regards, 
> Bones
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 2:26:47 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> David Hays - you just sent me money, I'm the buyer of the saddle not the 
>> seller! Paypal will not let me reject the transfer, please rescind your end.
>>
>> Bones - I think there's confusion going on here? Did I buy the Brooks or 
>> not?
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> That's correct.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:14:21 PM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>>
 I’m home.
 Just to confirm: PayPal to philipr...@gmail.com?
 David

 On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  
 wrote:

 Same email as the list here - thanks!

 On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:

> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>
>> Price drop:
>>
>> $75 for the saddle, shipped
>> $175 for the crankset, shipped
>> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Shifters are gone.
>>>
>>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>
 All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me 
 at extraneous at me dot com.

 Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
 around for years. 
 $100 shipped


 IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
 recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
 for 
 my application.
 $200

 Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
 $50

 Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
 included

 Thanks,
 Bones

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[RBW] Re: Completing the Rivendell catalog archive

[Eric Marth]

I've considered it and think it would be valuable to those interested. Some 
great articles and gear not to mention heartbreaking prices of yore. 

Do you host the readers archive? 

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 2:45:26 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:

> would you ever consider digitizing them and adding to the readers archive 
> ?  i know it'd be a ton of work...
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
> On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 7:00:51 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Pete. I've got that one! Crazy and fun
>>
>> On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 3:27:26 PM UTC-5 Pete B wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, keep an eye out for the "Hiawathan Holidays" catalogs. I have the 
>>> second one, 22 pages on newsprint. It's notable because the descriptions 
>>> for each item in the catalog are written in verse. Pics below.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> Arlington, VA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 9:13:21 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As some of you may have noticed from my previous posts this year, I'm 
 attempting to catalog a full run of Rivendell catalogs. For now I am 
 focussed only on catalogs and not attending to flyers and bike 
 announcements. Here are pictures of what I've amassed so far. 

 [image: IMG_3061.jpg]

 [image: IMG_3062.JPG]

 I'm unsure what's missing and hopeful that some stray members can help 
 fill in the gaps. At this point I'm trying to get some kind of record of 
 what I'm missing. I would be interested to purchase missing catalogs as 
 well. 

 This is tricky as the catalogs were dated, then dated and numbered, 
 then dated, and then numbered. From what I can tell I am missing the first 
 catalog and perhaps another somewhere down the line. 

 Things get fuzzy late in the run. Catalog 19 is undated but has a the 
 tweed Nigel Smythe borders of the previous two catalogs, suggesting 
 somewhere around 2007. I had assumed that the undated 20th catalog (black 
 and white cover) is the most recent. But then there's the 2018 bicycles 
 and 
 frames catalog which is unnumbered, suggesting this is the 21st.

 Thanks again for input and wisdom. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[David Hays]

Hi Bones,
This is David. Was I first person to contact you for the saddle?
David

> On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Bones  wrote:
> 
> Hey I can't take credit for that confusion! Sorry, the saddle has already 
> been sold to the first person who contacted me (sorry Philip, someone else 
> contacted me first).
> 
> Regards, 
> Bones
> 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 2:26:47 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> David Hays - you just sent me money, I'm the buyer of the saddle not the 
> seller! Paypal will not let me reject the transfer, please rescind your end.
> 
> Bones - I think there's confusion going on here? Did I buy the Brooks or not?
> 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:
> That's correct.
> 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:14:21 PM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
> I’m home.
> Just to confirm: PayPal to philipr...@gmail.com <>?
> David
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Same email as the list here - thanks!
>> 
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
>> David
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>>> Price drop:
>>> 
>>> $75 for the saddle, shipped
>>> $175 for the crankset, shipped
>>> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>>> 
>>> Bones
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>> Shifters are gone.
>>> 
>>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
>>> extraneous at me dot com.
>>> 
>>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting around 
>>> for years. 
>>> $100 shipped
>>> 
>>> 
>>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing for 
>>> my application.
>>> $200
>>> 
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>>> $50
>>> 
>>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer included
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bones
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Ryan M.]

I have a Crust Towel Rack bar on a cyclocross bike. I like it, but I have 
gradually moved my bars on most of my bikes over to Albatross bars or 
Bullmoose bars because I prefer mtb brake levers. 

The wide drop bar really is comfortable and allows a lot of control of the 
bike in grass, mud, and rocky terrain. The wide tops are almost like riding 
a short flat bar
 and when in the drops you really get a lot of control. It has been my 
experience that you really have to use a really short stem to make these 
bars comfortable though. On the Crust Towel rack, I find the bends of the 
bar to be quite comfortable and don't get any wrist or hand pain. 
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:57:43 PM UTC-6 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> The difference between ultra-wide drops and wide MTB bars is that wide MTB 
> bars have been mainstream for a while now. Pretty much every MTB I see 
> these days has
> very wide bars. Shops sell them and are able to help with setup. Other 
> riders can also advise. Here in the EU at least, ultra wide drops are still 
> a bit niche. You need to go online
> to get them, and to get advice on them. I am the only person near me who 
> rides with them, and my MTB friends think I'm weird. So I had to do my own 
> experiments with setup and ergonomics, and I can't really be sure I'm 
> getting things right, apart from the feedback my arms, back and wrists give 
> me. I'm glad I didn't give up on wide drops after some initial weirdness, 
> but it took some patience to find the right ones. YMMV.
>
> As for alt-bars, a lot of those seem very similar to older designs like 
> the German stuttgarter or French Toulouse bar that people have been riding 
> for decades, so they are not entirely new territory. 
>
> The main benefits I've found to wide drops for off road are, first, mud: I 
> seem to get less bogged down in muddy sections with wider drops, and, 
> second, steeper, fairly technical climbs. Riding a steep climb in the drops 
> gives me a more confident grip than either flat bars or barends, and more 
> leverage than narrower drops. I'm not exactly a 'gnarly' rider by an 
> stretch of the imagination. I have no idea if wide drops would be a good 
> idea for drop-offs or other more extreme riding.
>
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 19:30, Ben Miller  wrote:
>
>> I like Collins point with one correction: "The main point I think is that 
>> *handlebars* are kinda like saddles." 
>>
>> As a person who loves drop bars but has always hated how narrow they are, 
>> I love the recent developments. I own the Crust Towelrack (v2 - Full size 
>> at 670 mm) and the Crust x Nitto Shaka bar (520 mm). Wide drop bars are 
>> great for really maximizing different hand positions (so many!) This is my 
>> main reason for liking them. I heartily disagree with anyone who questions 
>> their ergonomics, even a little. The Nitto Mustache is 515 mm, the 
>> Rivendell Albastache is 555 mm, and the Riv Billie 580 mm, and the 
>> Bullmoose 670 mm! And modern MTB bars are even larger. No one complains 
>> about those being based upon "ergonomics that haven't been tested 
>> properly." 
>>
>> Personally, I have never liked alt-bars (Albatross, Bullmoose, etc), 
>> though I love the look of them. But that is me! If you want a wide bar and 
>> like not having drops, get some alts. If you want a narrow bar and drops 
>> you're all set. And now, if you've been jonesing for a wide bar with drops, 
>> you're time has come! I don't think there is much mystery to it. Yes you 
>> can fit a larger bag, but too me that shouldn't be a reason to get 
>> handlebars (though it is a nice benefit to wide bars). I'm also middling 
>> about the off-road aspect. I've never felt like 440 mm noddles provided too 
>> little leverage for a bumpy trail, but maybe I'm not shredding the gnar 
>> hard enough??
>>
>> A couple of final thoughts: I think the Shaka bar strikes pretty much the 
>> prefect balance for me, so much so I bought another pair just the other day 
>> when Crust came back online. The Towelrack, although still really 
>> *really* good, have a few drawbacks to me compared to the Shaka:
>> Aerodynamics - yeah, yeah, I'm not overly concerns with *Aero* or 
>> anything, but you do pay a bit of penalty here, coasting down a descent in 
>> which your buddies speed past you without pedaling is just something that 
>> is going to happen compared to normal drops, even the Shakas (which I don't 
>> notice this with). Now compared to Alts, it's probably better, so if your 
>> decision is between the two, it's maybe a no-brainer, but something to 
>> consider otherwise (Basically I don't want to put them on a pure road bike)
>> Clearance - They are *wide; *be prepared to have to think a lot more 
>> about navigating some situations. On the open road this isn't a problem, 
>> but tight singletrack or urban bike infrastructure can suddenly become a 
>> bit more challenging. I think this may be more of challenge with wide drops 
>> compared to alt or 

[RBW] Re: Completing the Rivendell catalog archive

[Paul Richardson]

would you ever consider digitizing them and adding to the readers archive 
?  i know it'd be a ton of work...

paul
takoma park, md.

On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 7:00:51 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Pete. I've got that one! Crazy and fun
>
> On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 3:27:26 PM UTC-5 Pete B wrote:
>
>> Eric, keep an eye out for the "Hiawathan Holidays" catalogs. I have the 
>> second one, 22 pages on newsprint. It's notable because the descriptions 
>> for each item in the catalog are written in verse. Pics below.
>>
>> Pete
>> Arlington, VA
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 9:13:21 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As some of you may have noticed from my previous posts this year, I'm 
>>> attempting to catalog a full run of Rivendell catalogs. For now I am 
>>> focussed only on catalogs and not attending to flyers and bike 
>>> announcements. Here are pictures of what I've amassed so far. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3061.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3062.JPG]
>>>
>>> I'm unsure what's missing and hopeful that some stray members can help 
>>> fill in the gaps. At this point I'm trying to get some kind of record of 
>>> what I'm missing. I would be interested to purchase missing catalogs as 
>>> well. 
>>>
>>> This is tricky as the catalogs were dated, then dated and numbered, then 
>>> dated, and then numbered. From what I can tell I am missing the first 
>>> catalog and perhaps another somewhere down the line. 
>>>
>>> Things get fuzzy late in the run. Catalog 19 is undated but has a the 
>>> tweed Nigel Smythe borders of the previous two catalogs, suggesting 
>>> somewhere around 2007. I had assumed that the undated 20th catalog (black 
>>> and white cover) is the most recent. But then there's the 2018 bicycles and 
>>> frames catalog which is unnumbered, suggesting this is the 21st.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for input and wisdom. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Bones]

Hey I can't take credit for that confusion! Sorry, the saddle has already 
been sold to the first person who contacted me (sorry Philip, someone else 
contacted me first).

Regards, 
Bones

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 2:26:47 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> David Hays - you just sent me money, I'm the buyer of the saddle not the 
> seller! Paypal will not let me reject the transfer, please rescind your end.
>
> Bones - I think there's confusion going on here? Did I buy the Brooks or 
> not?
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:
>
>> That's correct.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:14:21 PM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> I’m home.
>>> Just to confirm: PayPal to philipr...@gmail.com?
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same email as the list here - thanks!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>>
 I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
 David

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  
 wrote:

 Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB



 On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:

> Price drop:
>
> $75 for the saddle, shipped
> $175 for the crankset, shipped
> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>
> Bones
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> Shifters are gone.
>>
>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me 
>>> at extraneous at me dot com.
>>>
>>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
>>> around for years. 
>>> $100 shipped
>>>
>>>
>>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
>>> for 
>>> my application.
>>> $200
>>>
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>>> $50
>>>
>>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
>>> included
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bones
>>>
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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Philip Barrett]

David Hays - you just sent me money, I'm the buyer of the saddle not the 
seller! Paypal will not let me reject the transfer, please rescind your end.

Bones - I think there's confusion going on here? Did I buy the Brooks or 
not?

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:

> That's correct.
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:14:21 PM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>
>> I’m home.
>> Just to confirm: PayPal to philipr...@gmail.com?
>> David
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> Same email as the list here - thanks!
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>>>
 Price drop:

 $75 for the saddle, shipped
 $175 for the crankset, shipped
 $40 for the dynamo, shipped

 Bones

 On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> Shifters are gone.
>
> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
>> extraneous at me dot com.
>>
>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
>> around for years. 
>> $100 shipped
>>
>>
>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
>> for 
>> my application.
>> $200
>>
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>> $50
>>
>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
>> included
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bones
>>
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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Philip Barrett]

That's correct.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:14:21 PM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:

> I’m home.
> Just to confirm: PayPal to philipr...@gmail.com?
> David
>
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Same email as the list here - thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>
>> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Price drop:
>>>
>>> $75 for the saddle, shipped
>>> $175 for the crankset, shipped
>>> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>
 Shifters are gone.

 $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)

 On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
> extraneous at me dot com.
>
> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
> around for years. 
> $100 shipped
>
>
> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
> for 
> my application.
> $200
>
> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
> $50
>
> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
> included
>
> Thanks,
> Bones
>

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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[David Hays]

I’m home.
Just to confirm: PayPal to philiprbarr...@gmail.com?
David

> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> Same email as the list here - thanks!
> 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
> David
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>> Price drop:
>> 
>> $75 for the saddle, shipped
>> $175 for the crankset, shipped
>> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>> 
>> Bones
>> 
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>> Shifters are gone.
>> 
>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
>> extraneous at me dot com.
>> 
>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting around 
>> for years. 
>> $100 shipped
>> 
>> 
>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing for 
>> my application.
>> $200
>> 
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>> $50
>> 
>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer included
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bones
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Den John]

The difference between ultra-wide drops and wide MTB bars is that wide MTB
bars have been mainstream for a while now. Pretty much every MTB I see
these days has
very wide bars. Shops sell them and are able to help with setup. Other
riders can also advise. Here in the EU at least, ultra wide drops are still
a bit niche. You need to go online
to get them, and to get advice on them. I am the only person near me who
rides with them, and my MTB friends think I'm weird. So I had to do my own
experiments with setup and ergonomics, and I can't really be sure I'm
getting things right, apart from the feedback my arms, back and wrists give
me. I'm glad I didn't give up on wide drops after some initial weirdness,
but it took some patience to find the right ones. YMMV.

As for alt-bars, a lot of those seem very similar to older designs like the
German stuttgarter or French Toulouse bar that people have been riding for
decades, so they are not entirely new territory.

The main benefits I've found to wide drops for off road are, first, mud: I
seem to get less bogged down in muddy sections with wider drops, and,
second, steeper, fairly technical climbs. Riding a steep climb in the drops
gives me a more confident grip than either flat bars or barends, and more
leverage than narrower drops. I'm not exactly a 'gnarly' rider by an
stretch of the imagination. I have no idea if wide drops would be a good
idea for drop-offs or other more extreme riding.

On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 19:30, Ben Miller  wrote:

> I like Collins point with one correction: "The main point I think is that
> *handlebars* are kinda like saddles."
>
> As a person who loves drop bars but has always hated how narrow they are,
> I love the recent developments. I own the Crust Towelrack (v2 - Full size
> at 670 mm) and the Crust x Nitto Shaka bar (520 mm). Wide drop bars are
> great for really maximizing different hand positions (so many!) This is my
> main reason for liking them. I heartily disagree with anyone who questions
> their ergonomics, even a little. The Nitto Mustache is 515 mm, the
> Rivendell Albastache is 555 mm, and the Riv Billie 580 mm, and the
> Bullmoose 670 mm! And modern MTB bars are even larger. No one complains
> about those being based upon "ergonomics that haven't been tested
> properly."
>
> Personally, I have never liked alt-bars (Albatross, Bullmoose, etc),
> though I love the look of them. But that is me! If you want a wide bar and
> like not having drops, get some alts. If you want a narrow bar and drops
> you're all set. And now, if you've been jonesing for a wide bar with drops,
> you're time has come! I don't think there is much mystery to it. Yes you
> can fit a larger bag, but too me that shouldn't be a reason to get
> handlebars (though it is a nice benefit to wide bars). I'm also middling
> about the off-road aspect. I've never felt like 440 mm noddles provided too
> little leverage for a bumpy trail, but maybe I'm not shredding the gnar
> hard enough??
>
> A couple of final thoughts: I think the Shaka bar strikes pretty much the
> prefect balance for me, so much so I bought another pair just the other day
> when Crust came back online. The Towelrack, although still really *really*
> good, have a few drawbacks to me compared to the Shaka:
> Aerodynamics - yeah, yeah, I'm not overly concerns with *Aero* or
> anything, but you do pay a bit of penalty here, coasting down a descent in
> which your buddies speed past you without pedaling is just something that
> is going to happen compared to normal drops, even the Shakas (which I don't
> notice this with). Now compared to Alts, it's probably better, so if your
> decision is between the two, it's maybe a no-brainer, but something to
> consider otherwise (Basically I don't want to put them on a pure road bike)
> Clearance - They are *wide; *be prepared to have to think a lot more
> about navigating some situations. On the open road this isn't a problem,
> but tight singletrack or urban bike infrastructure can suddenly become a
> bit more challenging. I think this may be more of challenge with wide drops
> compared to alt or MTB bars due to your hands being a bit more exposed due
> to the positioning, even though they are just as wide. Or, i dunno, maybe
> my bike handling skills are junk and I got away with narrow bars? Again I
> don't have this issue with the Shakas as much
> Different pressure points - Not really a big deal, but do be prepared to
> get callous in different spots. I notice that using Towelrack tends to give
> me callouses inbetween my thumb and forefinger, whereas with normal drops I
> get them more on the base forefinger and middle finger.
>
> In short, handlebars are very much a personal preference and wide dropbars
> aren't any different; they are *not* a panacea but I also don't think
> they are just a "trend." They are probably best for folks you like a lot of
> width for different hand positions and also want to maximum their reach on
> their bike compared to 

[RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Justin]

Short and sweet, I love wide drops! Hated them growing up. After riding 
Albatross and Bull Moose bars on my Rivs for years something changed. I got 
in on an early release of the widest Crust Towel racks and have been 
converted. They have solved the wrist and lower back discomfort I was 
having on rides over 10+ miles and did not present the neck issue that I 
was expecting. I believe it is due to all the different hand positions 
available on such a wide bar. Also love the space to use big handlebar bags 
and be rid of front racks, baskets and paniers amen. 

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:30:39 PM UTC-5 Ben Miller wrote:

> I like Collins point with one correction: "The main point I think is that 
> *handlebars* are kinda like saddles." 
>
> As a person who loves drop bars but has always hated how narrow they are, 
> I love the recent developments. I own the Crust Towelrack (v2 - Full size 
> at 670 mm) and the Crust x Nitto Shaka bar (520 mm). Wide drop bars are 
> great for really maximizing different hand positions (so many!) This is my 
> main reason for liking them. I heartily disagree with anyone who questions 
> their ergonomics, even a little. The Nitto Mustache is 515 mm, the 
> Rivendell Albastache is 555 mm, and the Riv Billie 580 mm, and the 
> Bullmoose 670 mm! And modern MTB bars are even larger. No one complains 
> about those being based upon "ergonomics that haven't been tested 
> properly." 
>
> Personally, I have never liked alt-bars (Albatross, Bullmoose, etc), 
> though I love the look of them. But that is me! If you want a wide bar and 
> like not having drops, get some alts. If you want a narrow bar and drops 
> you're all set. And now, if you've been jonesing for a wide bar with drops, 
> you're time has come! I don't think there is much mystery to it. Yes you 
> can fit a larger bag, but too me that shouldn't be a reason to get 
> handlebars (though it is a nice benefit to wide bars). I'm also middling 
> about the off-road aspect. I've never felt like 440 mm noddles provided too 
> little leverage for a bumpy trail, but maybe I'm not shredding the gnar 
> hard enough??
>
> A couple of final thoughts: I think the Shaka bar strikes pretty much the 
> prefect balance for me, so much so I bought another pair just the other day 
> when Crust came back online. The Towelrack, although still really *really* 
> good, have a few drawbacks to me compared to the Shaka:
> Aerodynamics - yeah, yeah, I'm not overly concerns with *Aero* or 
> anything, but you do pay a bit of penalty here, coasting down a descent in 
> which your buddies speed past you without pedaling is just something that 
> is going to happen compared to normal drops, even the Shakas (which I don't 
> notice this with). Now compared to Alts, it's probably better, so if your 
> decision is between the two, it's maybe a no-brainer, but something to 
> consider otherwise (Basically I don't want to put them on a pure road bike)
> Clearance - They are *wide; *be prepared to have to think a lot more 
> about navigating some situations. On the open road this isn't a problem, 
> but tight singletrack or urban bike infrastructure can suddenly become a 
> bit more challenging. I think this may be more of challenge with wide drops 
> compared to alt or MTB bars due to your hands being a bit more exposed due 
> to the positioning, even though they are just as wide. Or, i dunno, maybe 
> my bike handling skills are junk and I got away with narrow bars? Again I 
> don't have this issue with the Shakas as much
> Different pressure points - Not really a big deal, but do be prepared to 
> get callous in different spots. I notice that using Towelrack tends to give 
> me callouses inbetween my thumb and forefinger, whereas with normal drops I 
> get them more on the base forefinger and middle finger. 
>
> In short, handlebars are very much a personal preference and wide dropbars 
> aren't any different; they are *not* a panacea but I also don't think 
> they are just a "trend." They are probably best for folks you like a lot of 
> width for different hand positions and also want to maximum their reach on 
> their bike compared to alt bars. 
>  
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 9:37:00 AM UTC-8 André P wrote:
>
>> I mounted Shaka 31.8 clamp bars to my Hillborne in late 2019. I just took 
>> them off to put back on the original Noodles I got with the bike back in 
>> 2014. I personally feel like I have my Rivendell back after swapping back 
>> to the Noodles. The factors that I list as negatives might however might be 
>> exactly what some folks are looking for!
>>
>> - Too upright, I got a shorter more upright stem as went with the usual 
>> recommendation. It just put me too up and out in a way that's not the same 
>> as a nice wide mountain bike bar.
>> - Too stiff, I had the Shaka's in 31.8 with a steel Nitto stem of some 
>> variety. I think the flexy cockpit is a feature of Riv's that shouldn't be 
>> undercounted. It provides a l

[RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Ben Miller]

I like Collins point with one correction: "The main point I think is that 
*handlebars* are kinda like saddles." 

As a person who loves drop bars but has always hated how narrow they are, I 
love the recent developments. I own the Crust Towelrack (v2 - Full size at 
670 mm) and the Crust x Nitto Shaka bar (520 mm). Wide drop bars are great 
for really maximizing different hand positions (so many!) This is my main 
reason for liking them. I heartily disagree with anyone who questions their 
ergonomics, even a little. The Nitto Mustache is 515 mm, the Rivendell 
Albastache is 555 mm, and the Riv Billie 580 mm, and the Bullmoose 670 mm! 
And modern MTB bars are even larger. No one complains about those being 
based upon "ergonomics that haven't been tested properly." 

Personally, I have never liked alt-bars (Albatross, Bullmoose, etc), though 
I love the look of them. But that is me! If you want a wide bar and like 
not having drops, get some alts. If you want a narrow bar and drops you're 
all set. And now, if you've been jonesing for a wide bar with drops, you're 
time has come! I don't think there is much mystery to it. Yes you can fit a 
larger bag, but too me that shouldn't be a reason to get handlebars (though 
it is a nice benefit to wide bars). I'm also middling about the off-road 
aspect. I've never felt like 440 mm noddles provided too little leverage 
for a bumpy trail, but maybe I'm not shredding the gnar hard enough??

A couple of final thoughts: I think the Shaka bar strikes pretty much the 
prefect balance for me, so much so I bought another pair just the other day 
when Crust came back online. The Towelrack, although still really *really* 
good, have a few drawbacks to me compared to the Shaka:
Aerodynamics - yeah, yeah, I'm not overly concerns with *Aero* or anything, 
but you do pay a bit of penalty here, coasting down a descent in which your 
buddies speed past you without pedaling is just something that is going to 
happen compared to normal drops, even the Shakas (which I don't notice this 
with). Now compared to Alts, it's probably better, so if your decision is 
between the two, it's maybe a no-brainer, but something to consider 
otherwise (Basically I don't want to put them on a pure road bike)
Clearance - They are *wide; *be prepared to have to think a lot more about 
navigating some situations. On the open road this isn't a problem, but 
tight singletrack or urban bike infrastructure can suddenly become a bit 
more challenging. I think this may be more of challenge with wide drops 
compared to alt or MTB bars due to your hands being a bit more exposed due 
to the positioning, even though they are just as wide. Or, i dunno, maybe 
my bike handling skills are junk and I got away with narrow bars? Again I 
don't have this issue with the Shakas as much
Different pressure points - Not really a big deal, but do be prepared to 
get callous in different spots. I notice that using Towelrack tends to give 
me callouses inbetween my thumb and forefinger, whereas with normal drops I 
get them more on the base forefinger and middle finger. 

In short, handlebars are very much a personal preference and wide dropbars 
aren't any different; they are *not* a panacea but I also don't think they 
are just a "trend." They are probably best for folks you like a lot of 
width for different hand positions and also want to maximum their reach on 
their bike compared to alt bars. 
 
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 9:37:00 AM UTC-8 André P wrote:

> I mounted Shaka 31.8 clamp bars to my Hillborne in late 2019. I just took 
> them off to put back on the original Noodles I got with the bike back in 
> 2014. I personally feel like I have my Rivendell back after swapping back 
> to the Noodles. The factors that I list as negatives might however might be 
> exactly what some folks are looking for!
>
> - Too upright, I got a shorter more upright stem as went with the usual 
> recommendation. It just put me too up and out in a way that's not the same 
> as a nice wide mountain bike bar.
> - Too stiff, I had the Shaka's in 31.8 with a steel Nitto stem of some 
> variety. I think the flexy cockpit is a feature of Riv's that shouldn't be 
> undercounted. It provides a lot of that feeling of smoothness on dirt 
> (maybe, who knows).
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 7:50:29 AM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> I'll add my little tidbit after trying 2 different wide (560 at the 
>> drops, 48 to 50 at the hoods) not Super-Wide drop bars. The main point I 
>> think is that the wide drops are kinda like saddles - find one with a shape 
>> that you like because everyone will tell you something different. I also 
>> don't think its better than any particular setup, just something different 
>> that may fit your needs better than typical drops or flat bars.
>>
>> Key Points to make it work (I think):
>> Shorten your stem
>> Know what flare you like (for me, 15-20 is perfect for rough stuff, 12 is 
>> the max I go for road). I t

Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Bones]

Hey all. Apparently I confused everyone. I don't use my gmail but 
apparently that's where everyone contacted me (rather than the above 
address). Sorry about that! I checked my gmail today and responded 
first-come-first serve. All items are spoken for pending payment. I will 
likely throw up some more saddles and dynamos soon though. Thanks for all 
the interest!

Bones

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:10:29 PM UTC-5 j glenn wrote:

> Email sent for Dynamo. thanks
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:35 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Perfect - I'm going to have you ship straight to my bike store as they're 
>> building up the frame.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:46:52 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> Out for a COVID test. Will PayPal when I get home. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same email as the list here - thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>>
 I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
 David

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  
 wrote:

 Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB



 On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:

> Price drop:
>
> $75 for the saddle, shipped
> $175 for the crankset, shipped
> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>
> Bones
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> Shifters are gone.
>>
>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me 
>>> at extraneous at me dot com.
>>>
>>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
>>> around for years. 
>>> $100 shipped
>>>
>>>
>>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
>>> for 
>>> my application.
>>> $200
>>>
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>>> $50
>>>
>>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
>>> included
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bones
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

['j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Email sent for Dynamo. thanks

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:35 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Perfect - I'm going to have you ship straight to my bike store as they're 
> building up the frame.
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:46:52 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>
>> Out for a COVID test. Will PayPal when I get home. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> Same email as the list here - thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>>>
 Price drop:

 $75 for the saddle, shipped
 $175 for the crankset, shipped
 $40 for the dynamo, shipped

 Bones

 On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> Shifters are gone.
>
> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
>> extraneous at me dot com.
>>
>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
>> around for years. 
>> $100 shipped
>>
>>
>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
>> for 
>> my application.
>> $200
>>
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>> $50
>>
>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
>> included
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bones
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Philip Barrett]

Perfect - I'm going to have you ship straight to my bike store as they're 
building up the frame.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:46:52 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:

> Out for a COVID test. Will PayPal when I get home. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Same email as the list here - thanks!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>
>> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Price drop:
>>>
>>> $75 for the saddle, shipped
>>> $175 for the crankset, shipped
>>> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>
 Shifters are gone.

 $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)

 On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
> extraneous at me dot com.
>
> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
> around for years. 
> $100 shipped
>
>
> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
> for 
> my application.
> $200
>
> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
> $50
>
> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
> included
>
> Thanks,
> Bones
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Good pedals for both SPD clip-in and street shoe riding?

[Grandy]

I went through the same dilemma for years, until I finally ditched the 
cleated shoes and pedals altogether. 
At least that part of my cycling life is much simpler now.

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 12:02:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Rich: Will post choice and results. It may be clips and straps for this 
> bike tho' perhaps the T8000s. We'll see.
>
> I don't know the model names of my SPD shoes; I have 3 Shimano models, and 
> my favorite was actually NNOS (near-new old stock) from the 1980s that 
> someone very graciously gave me to replace a similar, 20-year old pair that 
> had worn out.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 9:26 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Your post hits close to home. I'm looking to put my feet into the SPD 
>> clip-in waters as well. Once upon a time I tried M324s but the experiment 
>> didn't work well for me either. It's been Grip Kings ever since.
>> My current plan is to keep the GKs on my Hillborne. 1.) Try toe clips/MKS 
>> touring pedals on bike two and 2.) on bike three give full on clip-ins a go 
>> (Crank Bros. Candy gifted to me by pal Peter). For the sake of variety I 
>> hope the latter two options pan out. The T8000 pedals or a similar design 
>> look like they have potential as well.
>>
>> What SPD shoes are you planning to use?
>>
>> Good luck and please keep us apprised of your efforts. I'll do likewise.
>>
>> Happy New Year!,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:52:17 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, all; will take a closer look at the MKS and the T8000, but 
>>> expect they'll be too similar in feel to the M324 and A530. I may just 
>>> switch to clips and straps; this bike is multiply geared so I oughtn't to 
>>> find myself pulling out of the straps when straining up a hill as I seem to 
>>> do often with a fixed drivetrain.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 2:36 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 The Monocog gets ridden on bosque singletrack and sandy acequia roads, 
 where I prefer to be clipped in, but also gets used to drag the dog on his 
 2-mile run, where flat pedals would be convenient.

 I've used the standard Shimano M324 and A530 several times, and don't 
 really like either -- they're neither fish nor fowl, and I want a pedal 
 that is *both* fish* and* fowl.

 Is there any such thing as a pedal that feels like a flat pedal when 
 you are wearing boat shoes or walking shoes, and that works well with 
 cleats when in your Shimano SPD shoes? 

 I would not be surprised if the answer is a resounding and echoing "OF 
 COURSE NOT!!". Perhaps the solution is one of the remade beartrap pedals 
 with XL MKS clips and long straps, but the question is worth asking.

 Thanks.

 -- 

 ---
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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum


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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Austin Plocher]

I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, and this 
thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:

> Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been something 
> with the google change,

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[David]

Out for a COVID test. Will PayPal when I get home. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> Same email as the list here - thanks!
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
>> David
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
 
>>> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
> Price drop:
> 
> $75 for the saddle, shipped
> $175 for the crankset, shipped
> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
> 
> Bones
> 
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>> Shifters are gone.
>> 
>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
>>> extraneous at me dot com.
>>> 
>>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
>>> around for years. 
>>> $100 shipped
>>> 
>>> 
>>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing 
>>> for my application.
>>> $200
>>> 
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>>> $50
>>> 
>>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
>>> included
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bones
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Good pedals for both SPD clip-in and street shoe riding?

[André P]

Maybe look at some of the downhill pedals? I did some image searching, the 
raised portion of the spd pedal might still be too high for wearing flat 
shoes, but they are designed to have grip even not clipped in. They have 
spikes that could be extended to provide better unclipped traction.

https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/saint-m820/PD-M820.html

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 12:02:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Rich: Will post choice and results. It may be clips and straps for this 
> bike tho' perhaps the T8000s. We'll see.
>
> I don't know the model names of my SPD shoes; I have 3 Shimano models, and 
> my favorite was actually NNOS (near-new old stock) from the 1980s that 
> someone very graciously gave me to replace a similar, 20-year old pair that 
> had worn out.
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 9:26 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Your post hits close to home. I'm looking to put my feet into the SPD 
>> clip-in waters as well. Once upon a time I tried M324s but the experiment 
>> didn't work well for me either. It's been Grip Kings ever since.
>> My current plan is to keep the GKs on my Hillborne. 1.) Try toe clips/MKS 
>> touring pedals on bike two and 2.) on bike three give full on clip-ins a go 
>> (Crank Bros. Candy gifted to me by pal Peter). For the sake of variety I 
>> hope the latter two options pan out. The T8000 pedals or a similar design 
>> look like they have potential as well.
>>
>> What SPD shoes are you planning to use?
>>
>> Good luck and please keep us apprised of your efforts. I'll do likewise.
>>
>> Happy New Year!,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:52:17 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, all; will take a closer look at the MKS and the T8000, but 
>>> expect they'll be too similar in feel to the M324 and A530. I may just 
>>> switch to clips and straps; this bike is multiply geared so I oughtn't to 
>>> find myself pulling out of the straps when straining up a hill as I seem to 
>>> do often with a fixed drivetrain.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 2:36 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 The Monocog gets ridden on bosque singletrack and sandy acequia roads, 
 where I prefer to be clipped in, but also gets used to drag the dog on his 
 2-mile run, where flat pedals would be convenient.

 I've used the standard Shimano M324 and A530 several times, and don't 
 really like either -- they're neither fish nor fowl, and I want a pedal 
 that is *both* fish* and* fowl.

 Is there any such thing as a pedal that feels like a flat pedal when 
 you are wearing boat shoes or walking shoes, and that works well with 
 cleats when in your Shimano SPD shoes? 

 I would not be surprised if the answer is a resounding and echoing "OF 
 COURSE NOT!!". Perhaps the solution is one of the remade beartrap pedals 
 with XL MKS clips and long straps, but the question is worth asking.

 Thanks.

 -- 

 ---
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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum


>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Philip Barrett]

Same email as the list here - thanks!

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:31:35 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:

> I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>
>> Price drop:
>>
>> $75 for the saddle, shipped
>> $175 for the crankset, shipped
>> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Shifters are gone.
>>>
>>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>
 All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
 extraneous at me dot com.

 Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
 around for years. 
 $100 shipped


 IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
 recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing for 
 my application.
 $200

 Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
 $50

 Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
 included

 Thanks,
 Bones

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Re: [RBW] Anyone in Boise,ID that can help facilitate a purchase?

[Igor]

I think there's a bit of a 'we cant ship it to a buyer'

The shop won't ship (probably dealer/brand rules)

Similar question stands for residents of Escondido, CA :D
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:56:08 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Philip:
>
> Have you considered using a service like Taskrabbit? I looked into that 
> once when I was shipping a bike and needed someone to get the box over the 
> “last mile” to the buyer.
>
> You could probably have someone pick up the bike and take it to a local 
> bike shop for packing and shipping.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> On Jan 6, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> I had that on ebay recently (not bike related). I just had UPS pick it up 
> as a scheduled delivery so all the seller had to do was pack it. They were 
> fine with that.
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 10:02:36 AM UTC-6 Igor wrote:
>
>> Found a (not a Rivendell) fat bike at a shop..they won't ship it..but 
>> maybe one of you can help me out? it's snow and winter here and the only 
>> thing missing from my stable is a fat bike
>>
>> thanks!
>> Igor,
>> Ann Arbor, MI
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[André P]

I mounted Shaka 31.8 clamp bars to my Hillborne in late 2019. I just took 
them off to put back on the original Noodles I got with the bike back in 
2014. I personally feel like I have my Rivendell back after swapping back 
to the Noodles. The factors that I list as negatives might however might be 
exactly what some folks are looking for!

- Too upright, I got a shorter more upright stem as went with the usual 
recommendation. It just put me too up and out in a way that's not the same 
as a nice wide mountain bike bar.
- Too stiff, I had the Shaka's in 31.8 with a steel Nitto stem of some 
variety. I think the flexy cockpit is a feature of Riv's that shouldn't be 
undercounted. It provides a lot of that feeling of smoothness on dirt 
(maybe, who knows).

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 7:50:29 AM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> I'll add my little tidbit after trying 2 different wide (560 at the drops, 
> 48 to 50 at the hoods) not Super-Wide drop bars. The main point I think is 
> that the wide drops are kinda like saddles - find one with a shape that you 
> like because everyone will tell you something different. I also don't think 
> its better than any particular setup, just something different that may fit 
> your needs better than typical drops or flat bars.
>
> Key Points to make it work (I think):
> Shorten your stem
> Know what flare you like (for me, 15-20 is perfect for rough stuff, 12 is 
> the max I go for road). I think more flare the wider you go is important, 
> but massive flare on the narrower side is kinda weird
> Get levers that work well braking from the hoods if that's your thing
> Be open to adjusting your whole cockpit - saddle tilt, setback, bar 
> height, angle, etc.
>
> Benefits:
> It feels great when you have a set of bars that works with your body 
> position and riding style. 
> I definitely feel like I can throw the bike around a bit more when going 
> down fun single track compared to narrow drops
> Gets me out of the wind (at least mentally) compared to flats
> Gives room for big bags
> You are "on-trend"
>
> Cons:
> Expensive to do the switch if you don't have the parts (new long bar tape 
> that is sometimes hard to find, shorter stem, drop bar parts, etc.)
> Takes a little bit of getting used to and fiddling with cockpit setup
> Shifting can be a bit of a bear to setup - will need longer cables if 
> doing bar ends and most modern bar shapes have tight curves
>
> Hope this helps,
> Collin, in Sacramento
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 4:34:50 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Big, wide drops seem to be everywhere these days, even here in the group! 
>> I've noticed some for sale and others used in builds. Rather than read 
>> through another dull review in some unfamiliar corner of the internet I 
>> wanted to see if anyone in the group could share some firsthand experience. 
>> How does it feel running those > 50cm drop bars?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[David]

I’ll take it Phillip. Tell me where to PayPal. Thanks. 
David

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB
> 
>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>> Price drop:
>> 
>> $75 for the saddle, shipped
>> $175 for the crankset, shipped
>> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>> 
>> Bones
>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>> Shifters are gone.
>>> 
>>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>>> 
 On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
 All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
 extraneous at me dot com.
 
 Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting around 
 for years. 
 $100 shipped
 
 
 IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
 recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing for 
 my application.
 $200
 
 Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
 $50
 
 Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer included
 
 Thanks,
 Bones
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Re: [RBW] Anyone in Boise,ID that can help facilitate a purchase?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Philip:

Have you considered using a service like Taskrabbit? I looked into that once 
when I was shipping a bike and needed someone to get the box over the “last 
mile” to the buyer.

You could probably have someone pick up the bike and take it to a local bike 
shop for packing and shipping.

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> On Jan 6, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> I had that on ebay recently (not bike related). I just had UPS pick it up as 
> a scheduled delivery so all the seller had to do was pack it. They were fine 
> with that.
> 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 10:02:36 AM UTC-6 Igor wrote:
> Found a (not a Rivendell) fat bike at a shop..they won't ship it..but maybe 
> one of you can help me out? it's snow and winter here and the only thing 
> missing from my stable is a fat bike
> 
> thanks!
> Igor,
> Ann Arbor, MI
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[RBW] Re: Anyone in Boise,ID that can help facilitate a purchase?

[Philip Barrett]

I had that on ebay recently (not bike related). I just had UPS pick it up 
as a scheduled delivery so all the seller had to do was pack it. They were 
fine with that.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 10:02:36 AM UTC-6 Igor wrote:

> Found a (not a Rivendell) fat bike at a shop..they won't ship it..but 
> maybe one of you can help me out? it's snow and winter here and the only 
> thing missing from my stable is a fat bike
>
> thanks!
> Igor,
> Ann Arbor, MI
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddle, Shifters, Crankset, Dynamo

[Philip Barrett]

Sent you an email on the saddle. Thanks, PB

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM UTC-6 Bones wrote:

> Price drop:
>
> $75 for the saddle, shipped
> $175 for the crankset, shipped
> $40 for the dynamo, shipped
>
> Bones
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:34:42 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> Shifters are gone.
>>
>> $50 shipped for the dynamo by the way (oops)
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> All prices include shipping CONUS. If interested please contact me at 
>>> extraneous at me dot com.
>>>
>>> Brooks Professional Special Saddle (?) -  hardly used, been sitting 
>>> around for years. 
>>> $100 shipped
>>>
>>>
>>> IRD Defiant Triple Crankset - 175mm arms 48/36/24. I'll include the 
>>> recommended bottom bracket (122.5). Also hardly used, too much gearing for 
>>> my application.
>>> $200
>>>
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed shifters - just the shifters, light use
>>> $50
>>>
>>> Shimano LX Dynamo - probably less than 100 miles on it. No skewer 
>>> included
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bones
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Bike Pics with Christmas Themed Background

[Justin Kennedy]

Ha! That's amazing Rich. This was early on a Saturday morning so it was
definitely sleepier than usual, even during the pandemic.

Camping trip was great! Very mild but a steady drizzle. Sunday morning was
clear and cool though.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:11 PM RichS  wrote:

> Hello Justin,
>
> I got a big kick from your photo on two counts:  A Cheviot outside Grand
> Central outfitted for camping! So cool:-). Next, my daughter works in the
> building with the scaffolding, directly across the street from your Chev.
> However, due to Covid her company is working remotely. She hasn't set foot
> in her office since mid-March and she misses it.
>
> Hope your camping trip went well.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 9:00:53 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn,
> NY) wrote:
>
>> It was unseasonably warm in New York last weekend, so we went camping
>> near Connecticut. Here's a Christmas-y shot of my Riv near Grand Central
>> Terminal on the way out of the city.
>>
>> [image: IMG_7458.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 7:40:41 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Less Griswold, meteorologically more seasonal.
>>> The timer shut off the lights in the garland and big wreaths before this
>>> sunrise Sunday snowfall shot.
>>> [image: EA6EE627-7278-4151-A131-E47A223A98AA_1_201_a.jpeg]
>>> Seasons Greetings.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 11:59:55 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
 Finally was out after dark to get a puc.

 Paul in Dallas
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[RBW] Anyone in Boise,ID that can help facilitate a purchase?

[Igor]

Found a (not a Rivendell) fat bike at a shop..they won't ship it..but maybe 
one of you can help me out? it's snow and winter here and the only thing 
missing from my stable is a fat bike

thanks!
Igor,
Ann Arbor, MI

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[RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Collin A]

I'll add my little tidbit after trying 2 different wide (560 at the drops, 
48 to 50 at the hoods) not Super-Wide drop bars. The main point I think is 
that the wide drops are kinda like saddles - find one with a shape that you 
like because everyone will tell you something different. I also don't think 
its better than any particular setup, just something different that may fit 
your needs better than typical drops or flat bars.

Key Points to make it work (I think):
Shorten your stem
Know what flare you like (for me, 15-20 is perfect for rough stuff, 12 is 
the max I go for road). I think more flare the wider you go is important, 
but massive flare on the narrower side is kinda weird
Get levers that work well braking from the hoods if that's your thing
Be open to adjusting your whole cockpit - saddle tilt, setback, bar height, 
angle, etc.

Benefits:
It feels great when you have a set of bars that works with your body 
position and riding style. 
I definitely feel like I can throw the bike around a bit more when going 
down fun single track compared to narrow drops
Gets me out of the wind (at least mentally) compared to flats
Gives room for big bags
You are "on-trend"

Cons:
Expensive to do the switch if you don't have the parts (new long bar tape 
that is sometimes hard to find, shorter stem, drop bar parts, etc.)
Takes a little bit of getting used to and fiddling with cockpit setup
Shifting can be a bit of a bear to setup - will need longer cables if doing 
bar ends and most modern bar shapes have tight curves

Hope this helps,
Collin, in Sacramento

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 4:34:50 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Big, wide drops seem to be everywhere these days, even here in the group! 
> I've noticed some for sale and others used in builds. Rather than read 
> through another dull review in some unfamiliar corner of the internet I 
> wanted to see if anyone in the group could share some firsthand experience. 
> How does it feel running those > 50cm drop bars?

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Re: [RBW] Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Patrick Moore]

A contrarian but sincere point of view: I tried a number of wide drop bars,
from 46 cm Noodles to 56 or 58 Midges (it has been a long time, but I
recall 56 or 58 mm wideth), not to mention half a dozen different wide,
flared off road drop bars.

I heartily disliked them, and went back to 42s for my off road bar and 38s
for my road bars (measured on ramps; 44 and 40 at middle of hooks; Maes
Parallels; RH sold advertised them each way), and chopped 8" off the
mountain bike bar on my Monocog (now 52 cm).

The wide bars felt awkward and made my shoulders uncomfortable. I do like
my bars level with or lower than saddles, but even when positioned slightly
higher, I disliked the wide flared drops I tried.

I'm not small; I ride a 60 c-c level t-t road bike.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 5:34 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Big, wide drops seem to be everywhere these days, even here in the group!
> I've noticed some for sale and others used in builds. Rather than read
> through another dull review in some unfamiliar corner of the internet I
> wanted to see if anyone in the group could share some firsthand experience.
> How does it feel running those > 50cm drop bars?
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[RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[lconley]

I just bought 660 Crust Towel Racks for my Bombadil and am setting them up 
with TRP drilled brake levers at the drops and Tektro interrupters near the 
center. I also am using Shimano 8 speed indexing shifters (shifting 7 speed 
*freewheel* with Altus derailleur) on 26mm Paul Thumbie mounts inside of 
the interrupter levers on the raised center section. This is all mounted on 
a 10cm Nitto Dirt Drop stem. I also plan to mount a Nitto F-15 bag support 
on the bars for my tweed Nigel Smythe bag. Plenty of room for everything so 
far, but haven't taped or ridden it yet. The bars seem to be a wide 
combination of randonneur (upsweep) and Noodle (backsweep). 
I previously had the bike set up with Bullmoose bars/stem. Looking for more 
hand positions. I only ride drops going down hill or into a strong 
headwind. I figure that I will be using the interrupters most of the time. 
I mount the center of the handlebar several inches above the seat. I will 
report once I have some miles on them.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 7:34:50 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Big, wide drops seem to be everywhere these days, even here in the group! 
> I've noticed some for sale and others used in builds. Rather than read 
> through another dull review in some unfamiliar corner of the internet I 
> wanted to see if anyone in the group could share some firsthand experience. 
> How does it feel running those > 50cm drop bars?

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[RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Den John]

Good question :-)

I went pretty mental for wide drops over the last couple of years. My habit 
started with a set of Funn G-Wides a couple of years ago. 500mm wide, 620mm 
at the drops. That's as wide as
the bars on some of my older mtbs. I have them on an old 26er MTB.

Based on those, I also put wider bars on my cyclocross bike (Ergotec 
Randonneurs). Not as wide as the Funn G Wide, but still give a bit more 
control.

I also bought a set of Crust Towel Racks, 615mm at the drops, but they only 
arrived recently and I haven't ridden them much. The certainly feel big - 
quite a deep drop.

Finally, I have recently bought a set of Curve Walmer bars for a 27,5+ MTB. 
I bought the widest Walmer bars, 750mm at the drops. I set them really high 
so the drops are the main position. Can't even really ride the flats at 
all. I like them a lot, although it took a bit of tweaking to get the wrist 
position right. I found that for me, angling the drop up a bit helps. They 
give a lot of leverage in technical and muddy terrain and when climbing. I 
like descending in the drops more than on flat MTB bars anyway, and being 
able to do s with extra wide bars feels even better. Main problem is that 
there aren't many bikes actually designed for these bars. I have a LD stem 
plus 80mm of spacers which looks a bit wacky TBH. The LD is also very short 
- 40mm extension. But it all works so far based on about 1000km riding. I 
don't have any back problems at all with these bars so far. Even the Funn 
bars feel a bit wimpy and narrow after riding the Walmers for a while. 
However, the Walmers have a much smaller drop and reach. I think Curve 
realised that just widening a normal bar is not a good idea. You need to 
shrink the drop and reach to balance the extra width.

Main benefit of wide bars is more control and leverage, plus being able to 
carry a bigger bar bag, and room for accessories on the bars. Disadvantage 
is that the drops position is not comfortable for long periods unless you 
can get the bars up high enough. So you need a bike with a really high 
stack. Some claim that wide bars make it easier to breathe but I can't say 
I've noticed this.

The other issue is that this whole trend is based on some rather esoteric 
ideas about ergonomics that haven't been tested properly AFAIK. So it might 
be that these bars cause some unforeseen problems in the long run. I've not 
read anything on ultra wide drops by anyone who really knows about 
ergonomics.

I think eventually we will find a sweet spot where drops become wide enough 
to be useful to people riding off road or for loaded touring, but not so 
wide that they might cause back or wrist problems. But I don't think we're 
there yet. If you do have back or wrist problems, be especially aware when 
setting up wide drops. 

Finally, I previously tried some Nitto Dirt Drops and some One One Midges 
and couldn't get on with them at all. The Nittos caused instant and quite 
severe upper back pain, no matter how high I set them, and I did try to set 
them very high. The Midges caused lower back pain. Maybe something to do 
with the extreme flare and/or the way the drops are angled on those bars. 

Cheers,
Johnny in Belgium

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> Big, wide drops seem to be everywhere these days, even here in the group! 
> I've noticed some for sale and others used in builds. Rather than read 
> through another dull review in some unfamiliar corner of the internet I 
> wanted to see if anyone in the group could share some firsthand experience. 
> How does it feel running those > 50cm drop bars?

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[RBW] Tell me about your super-wide drops

[Eric Marth]

Big, wide drops seem to be everywhere these days, even here in the group! 
I've noticed some for sale and others used in builds. Rather than read 
through another dull review in some unfamiliar corner of the internet I 
wanted to see if anyone in the group could share some firsthand experience. 
How does it feel running those > 50cm drop bars?

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