[RBW] Re: about the IRD Alpina-d front derailer,,,

[Jan O.]

On my recently sold Atlantis, I use to run a Sugino Triple with an IRD 
Alpina-d front derailleur and MicroShift SL-T09 Thumb Shifters (in friction 
mode) on Albatross bars. Worked great.

Jan
San Francisco, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/254a4883-e9ab-4bd0-8b92-b95a2a1e7dfbn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis one year review - the consummate All-Rounder

[dougP]

" *I've never been diligent about regreasing my hubs. "*

When I was doing a lot of touring, & getting caught in the rain, I 
regreased them every spring.  The last few years maybe every other year.  
After a while, it became "how long can a pair of hubs last, anyway?"  Still 
waiting for the answer.  

dougP

On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 7:35:48 PM UTC-8 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> Mark- sweet bikes! Interesting that you switched the Jones for a Clem L.
>
> Doug- Great to hear, I hope my long term experience with the Atlantis is 
> like yours :) I can't believe you're still on the original Shimano hubs! 
> How do you maintain them? I've never been diligent about regreasing my hubs.
>
> On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 6:39:35 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I think many people who have spent many years trying different bikes and 
>> trying innumerable setups sort all get to this same place. A specialised 
>> bike will just get ridden less and you tend to get on the 'All rounder' for 
>> more rides more often. The idea of bicycles for very specific types of 
>> riding appeals to our toolbox fallacy brains but not to our on the bike 
>> actually riding brains. The bike that is good for 90% of the riding you do 
>> is the bike you ride 90% of the time.
>>
>> Thankyou for articulating these musings. Glad you are happy with your 
>> Atlantis.
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/562abd98-c1ca-41f3-a570-91319412daa4n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: about the IRD Alpina-d front derailer,,,

[Joe Bernard]

I did some searching on this and what I see is IRD says it's optimized for 
Shimano STI road shifters and can work with Campy Ergo, too. The "dropbar" 
nomenclature is a bit deceiving, it's the shifters most folks use on drops 
they're concerned with because the derailleur has to work with front 
indexing. Assuming that fd works with the chainring sizes you're using, 
it'll be fine with any friction shifter. 



On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 7:12:00 PM UTC-8 samcr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> I recently purchased Riv's Silver triple crankset and I look forward to 
> getting it spinning soon. I'm looking to buy a front derailer, and I 
> reached out to Riv for recommendations. One of them was the IRD Alpina, 
> which I'm sure some (or many) of you ride with. 
> Here's the thing - when I look at the IRD "Alpina-d" online, I've read 
> that it's "only compatible with drop bars." I reached out to IRD, they say 
> this is so. (To be fair, I didn't think to ask the "why".) I've seen the 
> "Alpina-f" is for flat bars, but no one has them in stock any more, and the 
> IRD website only lists one version of the derailer (pictured as the 
> "Alpina-d".
>
> What I'm riding - flat/semi-swept back bars (and perhaps even more swept 
> back bars some day), with the triple crank and thumb shifters in friction 
> mode, and a bottom pull set-up on my frame. Will this IRD Alpina-d front 
> derailer work with my set up? Any experience and wisdom is much 
> appreciated. Thanks much! 
>
> -Sosa
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1ae018e4-f7f3-4dba-9f1e-1e2be2fda2c5n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I usually wear three layers of wool (baselayer, jersey, jacket) to keep my 
core warm but still allow for moisture removal so I don't sweat. (If it's 
well below freezing, then a rain jacket goes on over a baselayer and a 
sweater.) For my feet, I wear either trail shoes (adding a layer of saran 
wrap over my toes above my socks) or insulated Merrell winter boots. A wool 
watch cap covers my ears underneath a helmet, and a pair of softshell 
gloves with glove liners underneath for my hands. 

But lately I've found that my index fingers get super cold after a while, 
no matter what I do. I've been doing the Wim Hof Method ice-cold showers 
this past year, and I've noticed that I can sometimes get Raynaud-like 
symptoms like Andy Cheatham, so I guess that explains that!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6d1b70fb-af38-4a61-a76b-f7ff5f591cf7n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Frame schedule 2021

[Hugh Smitham]

Eric,

That's awesome. I like how first panic set in and to mitigate that panic
you started working out the numbers. I think you're going to love the Sam.

Hugh

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 7:15 PM ericyue...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've found this group to be a source of tons of useful information but
> haven't had much to add as I've mainly been in a sort of pre-contemplative
> space about buying a Riv.  I don't know what happened, but once the Sam
> pre-orders got announced and I realized I wouldn't be able to get one again
> for over a year some sort of panic set in and I started thinking seriously
> about it.  I emailed Riv early last week and asked about the cost for a
> full build, got a quick reply, and then started doing some financial
> plotting.Wednesday at noon came and went, but it wasn't until I was a
> couple IPAs deep that evening that I finally pulled the trigger on 60 Sam.
> I'm very excited for the whole process as well as all the different types
> of rides it'll enable me to do. (I've historically been a "go fast" urban
> rider, but I'm now splitting time between the city of San Francisco and the
> Peninsula south of it, so I'm stoked to get a bike that'll be appropriate
> for all the terrain I encounter and can take a load)  I look forward to
> contributing more as everything starts to happen.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Just my opinion we all know what they're like and such. I don't think the
>> tenor of his original post was all that bad. I originally thought you both
>> knew each other well and it was just an inside joke. My second thought was
>> why point out something so trivial. I mean look what it's created all these
>> back and forth emails of discontent. I kinda wanted to be mad at him for
>> it. But I can't be. I can see how on the interwebs suggestions like this
>> can be frustrating and seemingly demeaning, He really didn't need to go
>> into the dog face name thing. TBH, the suggestion actually worked for me. I
>> haven't been very active on this group for a while and the new format is
>> maddening. So Mark I appreciate it the nudge.
>>
>> Last thoughts, (I am paraphrasing here) I remember Jim I believe a long
>> time ago once saying, think long and hard before you post something,
>> consider how it might come across? This is especially true when you can't
>> see a person's face or hear their voice inflection. And may I respectfully
>> suggest to Mark using this very sage advice from our very own moderator.
>>
>> This group has afforded me some of the best friends I have ever made in
>> my long life. I consider it a gem. There will no doubt be those that rub me
>> the wrong way as I probably do to others, perhaps this very email response
>> has irritated someone (s) just know that's not my intention...
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 10:46 AM Chris Birkenmaier 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark it’s really not worth my effort but my FULL NAME appears next to my
>>> dog avatar.  Can you not see it?  I can see it and I can read your full
>>> name next to your non-photo blue blob head avatar.  Other than slapping my
>>> knuckles on not doing a search, I’m confused why you had to do a Google
>>> search to investigate who I am.  I have very good manners but don’t feel as
>>> though I need to have my full name on posts at the top AND  then also add
>>> the name Chris again at the bottom.  All I can guess is  whatever format
>>> you are viewing doesn’t display it and you are saying I don’t have a name.
>>>   Please move on from being concerned about my full name and whether or not
>>> I’m a man. Check around, there are a lot of female Chris’ out there.
>>> Chris Birkenmaier
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 11:55:39 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 Chris: Re: Lovely Bicycle, occasional, but not a regular. She was a
 very good writer and photographer, and had some interesting takes on the
 world of bicycles. Now she's in Ireland with a family and a yarn knitting
 business.

 I was not suggesting that you were hiding anything, but speaking of
 friendly manners, if your name does not appear at the top of your post, it
 is good manners to sign at the bottom. As I explained,  I found out who you
 were by...putting your email remnant into the "search" box. Going through,
 I found some of your posts signed "Chris" and mistakenly assumed male.
 (Though my odds were high for being correct based on overall members; at
 least those who participate.) I don't know what else I got wrong. I made no
 attempt to guess your dog's name!;^)

 Not to belabor the point, but I wrote: *May I suggest you try putting
 the word Charlie in ye olde search box at the top of the page.  Good 
 stuff.*"
 Again, I don't find  "May I suggest" to be rude or unfriendly.  To answer
 your question with any accuracy, I suspect most who wanted to respond would
 hav

[RBW] Re: Atlantis one year review - the consummate All-Rounder

[Clark Fitzgerald]

Mark- sweet bikes! Interesting that you switched the Jones for a Clem L.

Doug- Great to hear, I hope my long term experience with the Atlantis is 
like yours :) I can't believe you're still on the original Shimano hubs! 
How do you maintain them? I've never been diligent about regreasing my hubs.

On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 6:39:35 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:

> I think many people who have spent many years trying different bikes and 
> trying innumerable setups sort all get to this same place. A specialised 
> bike will just get ridden less and you tend to get on the 'All rounder' for 
> more rides more often. The idea of bicycles for very specific types of 
> riding appeals to our toolbox fallacy brains but not to our on the bike 
> actually riding brains. The bike that is good for 90% of the riding you do 
> is the bike you ride 90% of the time.
>
> Thankyou for articulating these musings. Glad you are happy with your 
> Atlantis.
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ae5ddc7b-9c6e-4b6a-9bfc-f9e70e8c079fn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Wanted: 56cm Rivendell Road

[Ryan Nute]

I always wanted one of these.  Anyone want to part with theirs?  Happy to 
buy or trade my 57cm coupled Bleriot.  Thanks!

Ryan

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e3ffbaa8-748b-4b3e-b56b-3d5034bbeb5an%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Frame schedule 2021

[ericyue...@gmail.com]

I've found this group to be a source of tons of useful information but 
haven't had much to add as I've mainly been in a sort of pre-contemplative 
space about buying a Riv.  I don't know what happened, but once the Sam 
pre-orders got announced and I realized I wouldn't be able to get one again 
for over a year some sort of panic set in and I started thinking seriously 
about it.  I emailed Riv early last week and asked about the cost for a 
full build, got a quick reply, and then started doing some financial 
plotting.Wednesday at noon came and went, but it wasn't until I was a 
couple IPAs deep that evening that I finally pulled the trigger on 60 Sam.  
I'm very excited for the whole process as well as all the different types 
of rides it'll enable me to do. (I've historically been a "go fast" urban 
rider, but I'm now splitting time between the city of San Francisco and the 
Peninsula south of it, so I'm stoked to get a bike that'll be appropriate 
for all the terrain I encounter and can take a load)  I look forward to 
contributing more as everything starts to happen.  

Eric

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 3:16:49 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Just my opinion we all know what they're like and such. I don't think the 
> tenor of his original post was all that bad. I originally thought you both 
> knew each other well and it was just an inside joke. My second thought was 
> why point out something so trivial. I mean look what it's created all these 
> back and forth emails of discontent. I kinda wanted to be mad at him for 
> it. But I can't be. I can see how on the interwebs suggestions like this 
> can be frustrating and seemingly demeaning, He really didn't need to go 
> into the dog face name thing. TBH, the suggestion actually worked for me. I 
> haven't been very active on this group for a while and the new format is 
> maddening. So Mark I appreciate it the nudge.
>
> Last thoughts, (I am paraphrasing here) I remember Jim I believe a long 
> time ago once saying, think long and hard before you post something, 
> consider how it might come across? This is especially true when you can't 
> see a person's face or hear their voice inflection. And may I respectfully 
> suggest to Mark using this very sage advice from our very own moderator.
>
> This group has afforded me some of the best friends I have ever made in my 
> long life. I consider it a gem. There will no doubt be those that rub me 
> the wrong way as I probably do to others, perhaps this very email response 
> has irritated someone (s) just know that's not my intention...
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 10:46 AM Chris Birkenmaier  
> wrote:
>
>> Mark it’s really not worth my effort but my FULL NAME appears next to my 
>> dog avatar.  Can you not see it?  I can see it and I can read your full 
>> name next to your non-photo blue blob head avatar.  Other than slapping my 
>> knuckles on not doing a search, I’m confused why you had to do a Google 
>> search to investigate who I am.  I have very good manners but don’t feel as 
>> though I need to have my full name on posts at the top AND  then also add 
>> the name Chris again at the bottom.  All I can guess is  whatever format 
>> you are viewing doesn’t display it and you are saying I don’t have a name. 
>>   Please move on from being concerned about my full name and whether or not 
>> I’m a man. Check around, there are a lot of female Chris’ out there.
>> Chris Birkenmaier 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 11:55:39 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Chris: Re: Lovely Bicycle, occasional, but not a regular. She was a very 
>>> good writer and photographer, and had some interesting takes on the world 
>>> of bicycles. Now she's in Ireland with a family and a yarn knitting 
>>> business. 
>>>
>>> I was not suggesting that you were hiding anything, but speaking of 
>>> friendly manners, if your name does not appear at the top of your post, it 
>>> is good manners to sign at the bottom. As I explained,  I found out who you 
>>> were by...putting your email remnant into the "search" box. Going through, 
>>> I found some of your posts signed "Chris" and mistakenly assumed male. 
>>> (Though my odds were high for being correct based on overall members; at 
>>> least those who participate.) I don't know what else I got wrong. I made no 
>>> attempt to guess your dog's name!;^)
>>>
>>> Not to belabor the point, but I wrote: *May I suggest you try putting 
>>> the word Charlie in ye olde search box at the top of the page.  Good 
>>> stuff.*"  
>>> Again, I don't find  "May I suggest" to be rude or unfriendly.  To answer 
>>> your question with any accuracy, I suspect most who wanted to respond would 
>>> have to do that or something similar.  For those of you who may not read 
>>> the Blahg, GP has been on a self-recognized "ye olde" kick for some time, 
>>> so it was a mild attempt to insert some inside humor. As was the reference 
>>> to the old Nobody knows you ar

[RBW] Re: Play & Slipping with Silver Bar End Shifters

[Graham Spencer]

I had the same issue with mine a decade ago. Never cared for them. My 
solution was a used set of simplex retro friction from eBay. They bolt 
right on to the pods you have and happily shift my 9spd system smooth as 
butter with no slipping, no need for repeat tightening in 10 years. All 
with no clicks. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d49e1867-2cba-4488-9963-952aec093042n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm - 60cm Frameset

[Michael J.]

I got all sorted out..

In fact, I was able to snag that orange Sam Hillborne *and* an Atlantis MIT 
frameset too!

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 10:52:42 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here's a complete 59cm Bombadil with double top tubes and cantis for 2600 
> in Los Angeles:
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-bombadil/7271493892.html
> [image: bombadil.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 10:39:43 PM UTC-8 Michael J. wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I am on the hunt for a 58cm to 60cm or so Rivendell *something*! My only 
>> requirements are as follows:
>>
>> 1) Double Top-Tube
>> 2) Canti / Linear Pull Brakes
>> 3) Minimum Tire Clearance of 40mm 
>>
>> I am literally up for whatever. I used to have a black/cream Sam 
>> Hillborne that I (regrettably) sold—I need something back!
>>
>> If you have anything you’re aware of, or if anyone has something they are 
>> looking to move on, please reach out and let me know! My PBH is right 
>> around 90-91 cm. I am not interested in buying a complete bike—just F/F/HS. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/47a71c4c-b2ba-4227-830c-a99e77527524n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Personal Experiences Request.

[James Cooper]

Id go with those cliff hangers based on the tire width you want to run. The 
A23 might work but it will look odd to have such a wide tire on a narrower 
rim. 

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:42:45 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Hey Andy,
>
> Great minds think alike.
>
> I need to learn more about this Suzue Classica cassette rear. New to me. 
> I'll ask you the same question I've asked others. Do you think the Pacenti 
> Brevet rims would handle a 55mm tire well?
>
> Hugh
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 5:25 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> I like shiny silver as well. My 650B rando bike has a SON front hub and a 
>> Suzue Classica cassette rear with Pacenti Brevet rims and 650B x 42 BSPs.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:32:18 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> So as not to offend any long-term members on this list I did first do a 
>>> search and did not find an answer to my question? I believe back in 2018 
>>> William Henderson in PDX after an accident had a wheel set built with the 
>>> same hubs I'm considering, if he could chime in that would be excellent.
>>>
>>> On with the question,
>>>
>>> Does anybody have experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru 135mm QR 
>>> Shimano hub? Specifically, has it held up over time? How does it feel? Does 
>>> it spin freely? How does it sound? Meaning is it silent or does it have a 
>>> loud ratcheting noise? What were your initial impressions of the build 
>>> quality and then later impressions.
>>>
>>> It's my aesthetic, I just see my new to me Atlantis built with silver 
>>> shiny hubs otherwise I'd build my new wheels with a DT Swiss 350 rear hub 
>>> and be done. I'm considering a White Industries hub but that's close to 
>>> $200 more over the VO hub. Just debating whether the extra $$ is worth it? 
>>>
>>> I'm going with the Velocity Cliffhangers, wish they came in silver :( 
>>> Planning on running schwabe g ones in 2.25" evolutions for cush and speed. 
>>> If you have a recommendation on rims that will allow for tubeless, decent 
>>> tire profile in silver please lmk. FYI not going with the HED Belgian rims 
>>> at $165 nope! 
>>>
>>> I'm also looking for the Riv stem shifters currently out of stock on the 
>>> Riv Hq site. If anyone has a pair that they're willing to part with let me 
>>> know? 
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Hugh in Sunny SoCal Los Angeles to be exact. 
>>>
>>> Since I'm honorable and might as well ask another question. I plan on 
>>> running aluminum albatross bars any recommendations for grips. My 
>>> preference is a easily removed grip like the Ergon which I have. Is there 
>>> an esi like grip that's removes simply?
>>>
>> -- 
>>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/b8W1k4G1UUc/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/742d8699-f176-462b-a449-fbb505aa4bd5n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f42f88f1-1812-4d36-bf0a-14755cc6cbb9n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Personal Experiences Request.

[Casey McMann]

Hugh,

Check out the VO Voyager rims. They’re not too expensive, the polished
finish is really nice, and they build up really nice. I’ve been commuting
on them since June and have had zero problems.


On Friday, February 5, 2021, ascpgh  wrote:

> Hugh,
>
> I am riding 650B x 42 BSPs on those Pacenti Brevet rims and it's taken me
> some time to get used to the smoothness they can provide without delving
> below the PSI necessary to keep the sidewalls structural enough for quick
> steering changes and high pedal efforts during a turn. I had to learn this
> envelope with the 700 x 32 Stampede Pass on my Rambouillet too.
>
> I can't imagine how badly a 55mm wide tire's sidewall would luff if I
> unknowingly got below that structure supporting pressure with them. I don't
> have experience with any wider tires on the Brevets, just the memory of
> summer 1988 in southwest Colorado and a new pair of Specialized HardPack
> 2.2 (not the neutered HardPack II) tires. They provided me the baseline
> education regarding what is "just enough" PSI and how your intended riding
> dictates that, not your thumb, the pump dial or a couple of leans on the
> handlebar with the front brakes clamped. Ouch. Continental Divide decent
> ouch.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 6:42:45 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Hey Andy,
>>
>> Great minds think alike.
>>
>> I need to learn more about this Suzue Classica cassette rear. New to me.
>> I'll ask you the same question I've asked others. Do you think the Pacenti
>> Brevet rims would handle a 55mm tire well?
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 5:25 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>>> I like shiny silver as well. My 650B rando bike has a SON front hub and
>>> a Suzue Classica cassette rear with Pacenti Brevet rims and 650B x 42 BSPs.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:32:18 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
 So as not to offend any long-term members on this list I did first do a
 search and did not find an answer to my question? I believe back in 2018
 William Henderson in PDX after an accident had a wheel set built with the
 same hubs I'm considering, if he could chime in that would be excellent.

 On with the question,

 Does anybody have experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru 135mm QR
 Shimano hub? Specifically, has it held up over time? How does it feel? Does
 it spin freely? How does it sound? Meaning is it silent or does it have a
 loud ratcheting noise? What were your initial impressions of the build
 quality and then later impressions.

 It's my aesthetic, I just see my new to me Atlantis built with silver
 shiny hubs otherwise I'd build my new wheels with a DT Swiss 350 rear hub
 and be done. I'm considering a White Industries hub but that's close to
 $200 more over the VO hub. Just debating whether the extra $$ is worth it?

 I'm going with the Velocity Cliffhangers, wish they came in silver :(
 Planning on running schwabe g ones in 2.25" evolutions for cush and speed.
 If you have a recommendation on rims that will allow for tubeless, decent
 tire profile in silver please lmk. FYI not going with the HED Belgian rims
 at $165 nope!

 I'm also looking for the Riv stem shifters currently out of stock on
 the Riv Hq site. If anyone has a pair that they're willing to part with let
 me know?

 Best Regards,

 Hugh in Sunny SoCal Los Angeles to be exact.

 Since I'm honorable and might as well ask another question. I plan on
 running aluminum albatross bars any recommendations for grips. My
 preference is a easily removed grip like the Ergon which I have. Is there
 an esi like grip that's removes simply?

>>> --
>>>
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/
>>> topic/rbw-owners-bunch/b8W1k4G1UUc/unsubscribe.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>>
>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/
>>> msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/742d8699-f176-462b-a449-
>>> fbb505aa4bd5n%40googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/
> msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2ac52e37-3ffb-4f4b-bb6f-
> 85b0a1587429n%40googlegroups.com
> 

[RBW] Re: Personal Experiences Request.

[Dean Henderson]

Hugh,

I have VO Grand Cru hubs on Homer... 2130.9 trouble-free, shiny, silent 
miles, so far. 

Dean

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:32:18 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> So as not to offend any long-term members on this list I did first do a 
> search and did not find an answer to my question? I believe back in 2018 
> William Henderson in PDX after an accident had a wheel set built with the 
> same hubs I'm considering, if he could chime in that would be excellent.
>
> On with the question,
>
> Does anybody have experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru 135mm QR 
> Shimano hub? Specifically, has it held up over time? How does it feel? Does 
> it spin freely? How does it sound? Meaning is it silent or does it have a 
> loud ratcheting noise? What were your initial impressions of the build 
> quality and then later impressions.
>
> It's my aesthetic, I just see my new to me Atlantis built with silver 
> shiny hubs otherwise I'd build my new wheels with a DT Swiss 350 rear hub 
> and be done. I'm considering a White Industries hub but that's close to 
> $200 more over the VO hub. Just debating whether the extra $$ is worth it? 
>
> I'm going with the Velocity Cliffhangers, wish they came in silver :( 
> Planning on running schwabe g ones in 2.25" evolutions for cush and speed. 
> If you have a recommendation on rims that will allow for tubeless, decent 
> tire profile in silver please lmk. FYI not going with the HED Belgian rims 
> at $165 nope! 
>
> I'm also looking for the Riv stem shifters currently out of stock on the 
> Riv Hq site. If anyone has a pair that they're willing to part with let me 
> know? 
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh in Sunny SoCal Los Angeles to be exact. 
>
> Since I'm honorable and might as well ask another question. I plan on 
> running aluminum albatross bars any recommendations for grips. My 
> preference is a easily removed grip like the Ergon which I have. Is there 
> an esi like grip that's removes simply?
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2e63efa5-4546-4d66-a66d-98a7276b1cc5n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] about the IRD Alpina-d front derailer,,,

[samcr...@gmail.com]

Howdy,

I recently purchased Riv's Silver triple crankset and I look forward to 
getting it spinning soon. I'm looking to buy a front derailer, and I 
reached out to Riv for recommendations. One of them was the IRD Alpina, 
which I'm sure some (or many) of you ride with. 
Here's the thing - when I look at the IRD "Alpina-d" online, I've read that 
it's "only compatible with drop bars." I reached out to IRD, they say this 
is so. (To be fair, I didn't think to ask the "why".) I've seen the 
"Alpina-f" is for flat bars, but no one has them in stock any more, and the 
IRD website only lists one version of the derailer (pictured as the 
"Alpina-d".

What I'm riding - flat/semi-swept back bars (and perhaps even more swept 
back bars some day), with the triple crank and thumb shifters in friction 
mode, and a bottom pull set-up on my frame. Will this IRD Alpina-d front 
derailer work with my set up? Any experience and wisdom is much 
appreciated. Thanks much! 

-Sosa

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c96b3db6-a1d8-4aff-a052-aac5690a9878n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] WTB: Dynamo light

[James Heller-Jackson]

Purchased my first wheelset with a dynamo hub and looking for a light to 
complete my set up.  Open to anything anyone is trying to part with, with a 
preference toward b&m/schmidt.  Not sure if anyone has anything laying 
around but figured I'd put it out there in the ethos.  Thanks in advance!

James

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d9553b30-6c55-46be-8c82-c33afd699a23n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Brian Oldham]

Hi

The business model for Rivendell is to focus on one frame group at a time.
So it takes a couple of months to work through a container or so of
frames.  They are having the Sam Hillborne frame now so that is going to
generate the excitement for their work capacity.  It could easily be next
year before the Clem Smith Junior (H) and (L).

The variety of bicycle types and models is cool but a person who sees a
bike like my Clem Smith Jr. might have to wait a long time to find one for
themselves.  I wanted a Joe Appaloosa months ago and have not been able to
get one.

That is why the secondary market is important.  When we pass our bikes
around among Rivendellers we make it possible to have or try more than one
Bicycle.

This bike is really beautiful in person.  Grant says it will last a
lifetime and it is less than a year old now.

Brian Oldham
916-712-1609

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:02 AM Mark Roland  wrote:

> Nice build on one of the (rightly) most sought after models in all of
> Rivendell. This bike with lights and fenders and comfy seat can do double
> duty as bike that can take you just about anywhere and as your second car
> (but way less expensive and waaay more fun.) I don't think the Clem Ls are
> due again for some time?
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> 52 frame size
>>
>> Brian O
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
>> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Frame size?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and
 enjoyed it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as
 follows"

 generator hub and light

 better Shimano pedals

 better seat  Brooks B67S

 rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips

 The bicycle is in very good shape

 I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.

 Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.

 Brian Oldham
 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>

 San Carlos, Ca.

>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ekTmhSz7_Nc/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a05791f7-1df4-43a6-9c83-08e90fde5503n%40googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>> --
>> Brian Oldham 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ekTmhSz7_Nc/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0e85aab3-3590-4b40-97a9-36b13f0bd479n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>


-- 
Brian M. Oldham
916-712-1609
It is just as easy to ride there on a bicycle

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAG5kmE%2Be2iGmJ%3D8%2Bu345K%2BPz3iEpgOgR7gu4U2fOJw1GQcy9Ng%40mail.gmail.com.

[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm - 60cm Frameset

[Michael J.]

I am all sorted now! Got a 60cm orange Sam *and* a 59cm MIT Atlantis! ❤️❤️
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 10:52:42 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here's a complete 59cm Bombadil with double top tubes and cantis for 2600 
> in Los Angeles:
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-bombadil/7271493892.html
> [image: bombadil.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 10:39:43 PM UTC-8 Michael J. wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I am on the hunt for a 58cm to 60cm or so Rivendell *something*! My only 
>> requirements are as follows:
>>
>> 1) Double Top-Tube
>> 2) Canti / Linear Pull Brakes
>> 3) Minimum Tire Clearance of 40mm 
>>
>> I am literally up for whatever. I used to have a black/cream Sam 
>> Hillborne that I (regrettably) sold—I need something back!
>>
>> If you have anything you’re aware of, or if anyone has something they are 
>> looking to move on, please reach out and let me know! My PBH is right 
>> around 90-91 cm. I am not interested in buying a complete bike—just F/F/HS. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/85b8f16f-525b-461b-91a7-99851ed0f682n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis one year review - the consummate All-Rounder

[brendonoid]

I think many people who have spent many years trying different bikes and 
trying innumerable setups sort all get to this same place. A specialised 
bike will just get ridden less and you tend to get on the 'All rounder' for 
more rides more often. The idea of bicycles for very specific types of 
riding appeals to our toolbox fallacy brains but not to our on the bike 
actually riding brains. The bike that is good for 90% of the riding you do 
is the bike you ride 90% of the time.

Thankyou for articulating these musings. Glad you are happy with your 
Atlantis.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1224825d-36df-4267-9976-40fcb1a73e92n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Sam Kling]

Best trick I know is to add a layer or two to the area just before your 
extremities. i.e., to keep toes warm, add layers to your lower legs. (i.e. 
Long, thick socks and leg warmers.) Same with hands: adding arm warmers to 
your forearms helps keep your fingers warm.

In 10-degree Chicago today, my toes were OK after a couple hours of riding 
in the snow wearing long johns, very thick socks that went up to my knees, 
warm bibs, and neoprene shoe covers. That the socks came up to my knees was 
the key thing, I think.

Sam Kling
Chicago, IL



On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 5:02:31 PM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> I think I love that boot!  I don't read Annie's blog regularly, but I 
> think I might start.  She also sung the praises of a very nice looking coat 
> recently, which was inexpensive, warm and nice looking.
>
> Annie is one on those I follow on IG that has inspired me to "go colder."  
> Mark from NY,  Deacon Patrick from CO, Jason Fuller from Canada, and 
> Takashi from Japan and others (I'm sorry if I haven't mentioned your name, 
> but you are no less special to me) have also unknowingly inspired me to 
> ride in the cold either by incredible posts and pictures here or on IG.  
> All, the same, I'm glad it doesn't snow much here.
>
> I have a pair of LL Bean hunting boots that I thought I'd  wear for more 
> air circulation.  They are also big enough that I can do the double sock 
> option, I think, along with the  vapor barrier idea of Garth's.   Also 
> intriguing are the capsaicin and gaiter suggestions.  I own everything 
> except the gaiters (and those cute LL Bean boots) to be able to do a first 
> run of it.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:52:30 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> Annie from Annie's Bike blog posted this recently.  She's located in 
>> Vermont, so knows cold.
>>
>>
>> https://anniebikes.blogspot.com/2021/01/my-favorite-winter-cycling-boot-storm.html
>>
>> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 11:32:05 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> I've found that insulated crocs do well in the 40-35 degree zone. Easy 
>>> on, easy off. 
>>> Scott
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:18:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes 
 (even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're 
 quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but 
 when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter 
 road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to 
 SPDs on my road bikes.

 I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection 
 system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2 
 pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers 
 and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or 
 rain or sleet.

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  
 wrote:

> They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has 
> some name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar. 
>  
>  The collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still 
> going strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + 
> cold weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 
> 1/2 size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  
> The only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that 
> the sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one 
> notably 
> in my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish 
> I 
> had footage.
>
> When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think 
> they are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.
>
> Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated 
>> winter bike shoes?
>>
>>
>> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in 
>> ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, 
>>> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 
>>> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor 
 in cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful 
 hot 
 blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold 
 weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of 
 running ou

[RBW] Longshot WTB- riv crank, wolftooth ring, ti rack

[Drw]

i know this is a bit of a longshot, but im looking for this out of stock 
crank from riv in 172.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/crank-silver-external-low-low-double-steel-34x24-with-guard

While im asking, im also on the lookout for 

-Wolftooth drop stop ring. 110bcd  40-42t (for sort of an experiment that i 
dont want to spend 80$ on). Open to suggestions for other 1x no drop 
chainrings also

-Tubus Airy titanium rack. 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7ff4eadd-bef3-4156-a76d-aa7cd2051aa7n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Atlantis one year review - the consummate All-Rounder

[dougP]

Clark:

Well done.  It sounds like you had plenty of experience before settling in 
with the Atlantis, and will get tremendous satisfaction from riding it for 
years to come.  When you mention not needing more specialized bikes for 
various uses, it reminds me of my own experience.  I bought an Atlantis in 
2003 because I wanted a dedicated touring bike.  As you discovered, it's 
perfectly enjoyable on dirt roads, fire trails, etc., where one would 
ordinarily grab a mountain bike.  The off-roading I've done with it is 
really just un-paved roads and not highly technical single track.  It's 
also kinda fun when I'm up on a fire road somewhere & some mountain bikers 
are surprised to see someone up there "on a bike like that".  One time I 
told some guys, "well, we're not really in the mountains.  Why are you on a 
bike like that?".  We all shared a good laugh.  

In the 18 years I've owned my Atlantis, it's been on a lot of tours and 
adventures.  For a long time I kept track of mileage, but quit bothering 
after 70,000 miles.  It was born with drop bars but has evolved over the 
years & is now an upright bike.  V-brakes have replaced the cantilevers.  
As drivetrains wore out, gearing got progressively lower.  The versatiilty 
of the bike is amazing.  By regularly maintaining them, the original XT & 
105 hubs are still going strong.  Everything else (except seatpost) has 
been replaced over time, but the character & personality of the bike are 
unchanged.  It's a forever bike.  Enjoy yours.

Doug Peterson,
Irvine, CA 

On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 8:41:13 AM UTC-8 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> I've owned my 2020 Atlantis for nearly a year, and in that time I've 
> discovered how comfortable and functional it truly is. If the Rivendell 
> aesthetic speaks to you, you spend most of your time pedaling at a touring 
> pace, and you want one bike that does it all, then this bike is wonderful.
>
> For background, here are my first impressions 
> 
>  and Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack 
> . 
> My typical ride is a 1-4 hour spin on paved bike paths and dirt / gravel 
> roads, pedaling 13-15 mph on the flats. I've taken it on a handful of sub 
> 24 hour overnights. On the rare occasions when I have a half day free, I'll 
> drive up to the Sierra Nevada mountains and ride mixed terrain.
>
> This is my first Rivendell. I've been attracted to the bikes, brand, and 
> philosophy since 2007, but I always balked at the price, and didn't buy one 
> until 2020. In the interim, I've spent significantly more than the cost of 
> my Atlantis going through various other new and used steel bikes. I've 
> realized that aesthetics matter to me, and none of those bikes were special 
> enough to be keepers.
>
> The aesthetics and details on the Atlantis are perfect, which makes me 
> want to keep the bike for a long time. Consider the cutout on the bottom of 
> the lug filled with cream paint, a beautiful hidden detail. Every part of 
> the bike is like that. Sometimes I think I might be better off with a Clem 
> L, but the Atlantis is in a different class aesthetically, which is why it 
> costs twice as much.
>
> I'm more comfortable on the Atlantis than I've been on any other bike. 
> It's not that I ever felt uncomfortable on a bike; rather, the other bikes 
> were like sleeping on a foam mat in the mountains, while switching to the 
> Atlantis was like coming home and sleeping in my own bed. I feel less sore 
> after long rides on the Atlantis. The difference in comfort really sunk in 
> when I switched bikes during a ride for a fellow rider's Surly Cross Check. 
> After a mile I was ready to switch back. The Cross Check is a great bike, 
> but for a different style of riding.
>
> The components I picked have been great. For gearing I have a 38/24 double 
> up front, and an 11-42 Microshift Advent 9 speed on the back for a low gear 
> less than 16 inches, a high gear around 95 inches, and a range of more than 
> 600%. My knees love spinning these low gears during big days in the 
> mountains. The only component I swapped was the stem, a 130 mm 1990's 
> Ritchey MTB stem for a 120 mm Nitto tallux. I think a 110 mm stem might 
> work slightly better for me (I'm 6'1" tall on a 59cm frame).
>
> The large vertical adjustment of the tall quill stem quickly and 
> dramatically changes the ride characteristics of the bike, a delightful 
> surprise feature that contributes to the versatility. At first, I thought 
> the 7 shaped stem was just a bit of aesthetic nostalgia. Instead, I find 
> myself using it by dropping the stem all the way down if I want a more 
> aggressive position for fast riding, and raising it by 4 inches if I'm 
> riding singletrack. On longer rides, if I start getting tired and want a 
> different feel, raising the stem height by 3/4 of an inch makes a huge 
> differen

[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Atlantis F/F/HS...

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sale pending...
- Frank
On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 2:23:06 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:

>  For sale is my 55 Atlantis frameset (MIT) including headset, BB and 
> seatpost. I purchased this from Rivendell in Feb. 2020. The frame has a few 
> little chips in the paint and a small chainsuck scar on the interior side 
> of the chain stay, but overall is in fine shape. The usual evidence from a 
> build-up and use are there...from derailuers, wheels (700c), etc. and from 
> a band on the downtube for using downtube shifters. 
>  
>  I'm asking $990.00 plus actual shipping (BikeFlights) from Ft. Lauderdale 
> Florida, 0.  
>  Here's a link to a Flickr album:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8531240@N06/albums/72157718187279238
>
>  Thanks,
> - Frank
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6f6336b7-64c9-4911-914f-1a41a41034a2n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] FS: 55 Atlantis F/F/HS...

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 For sale is my 55 Atlantis frameset (MIT) including headset, BB and 
seatpost. I purchased this from Rivendell in Feb. 2020. The frame has a few 
little chips in the paint and a small chainsuck scar on the interior side 
of the chain stay, but overall is in fine shape. The usual evidence from a 
build-up and use are there...from derailuers, wheels (700c), etc. and from 
a band on the downtube for using downtube shifters. 
 
 I'm asking $990.00 plus actual shipping (BikeFlights) from Ft. Lauderdale 
Florida, 0.  
 Here's a link to a Flickr album:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/8531240@N06/albums/72157718187279238

 Thanks,
- Frank

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8dbcddd2-640b-428f-953d-0b74f8451d41n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Atlantis one year review - the consummate All-Rounder

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I've owned my 2020 Atlantis for nearly a year, and in that time I've 
discovered how comfortable and functional it truly is. If the Rivendell 
aesthetic speaks to you, you spend most of your time pedaling at a touring 
pace, and you want one bike that does it all, then this bike is wonderful.

For background, here are my first impressions 

 and Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack 
. 
My typical ride is a 1-4 hour spin on paved bike paths and dirt / gravel 
roads, pedaling 13-15 mph on the flats. I've taken it on a handful of sub 
24 hour overnights. On the rare occasions when I have a half day free, I'll 
drive up to the Sierra Nevada mountains and ride mixed terrain.

This is my first Rivendell. I've been attracted to the bikes, brand, and 
philosophy since 2007, but I always balked at the price, and didn't buy one 
until 2020. In the interim, I've spent significantly more than the cost of 
my Atlantis going through various other new and used steel bikes. I've 
realized that aesthetics matter to me, and none of those bikes were special 
enough to be keepers.

The aesthetics and details on the Atlantis are perfect, which makes me want 
to keep the bike for a long time. Consider the cutout on the bottom of the 
lug filled with cream paint, a beautiful hidden detail. Every part of the 
bike is like that. Sometimes I think I might be better off with a Clem L, 
but the Atlantis is in a different class aesthetically, which is why it 
costs twice as much.

I'm more comfortable on the Atlantis than I've been on any other bike. It's 
not that I ever felt uncomfortable on a bike; rather, the other bikes were 
like sleeping on a foam mat in the mountains, while switching to the 
Atlantis was like coming home and sleeping in my own bed. I feel less sore 
after long rides on the Atlantis. The difference in comfort really sunk in 
when I switched bikes during a ride for a fellow rider's Surly Cross Check. 
After a mile I was ready to switch back. The Cross Check is a great bike, 
but for a different style of riding.

The components I picked have been great. For gearing I have a 38/24 double 
up front, and an 11-42 Microshift Advent 9 speed on the back for a low gear 
less than 16 inches, a high gear around 95 inches, and a range of more than 
600%. My knees love spinning these low gears during big days in the 
mountains. The only component I swapped was the stem, a 130 mm 1990's 
Ritchey MTB stem for a 120 mm Nitto tallux. I think a 110 mm stem might 
work slightly better for me (I'm 6'1" tall on a 59cm frame).

The large vertical adjustment of the tall quill stem quickly and 
dramatically changes the ride characteristics of the bike, a delightful 
surprise feature that contributes to the versatility. At first, I thought 
the 7 shaped stem was just a bit of aesthetic nostalgia. Instead, I find 
myself using it by dropping the stem all the way down if I want a more 
aggressive position for fast riding, and raising it by 4 inches if I'm 
riding singletrack. On longer rides, if I start getting tired and want a 
different feel, raising the stem height by 3/4 of an inch makes a huge 
difference. It takes less time to change the stem height than to inflate 
the tires before a ride.

The saddlebag also turned out to be wonderfully functional. Like the stem, 
I thought it was simply part of the Rivendell aesthetic, but it works 
better than any other bike bag I've had, and I've had every other kind. The 
load is balanced, and things are easy to find, clean, and protected. I can 
stick my hand in and retrieve objects like maps and snacks without opening 
the flap. I can access the zippered pouches on the side while I ride. It 
doesn't make your front wheel flop over like a front bag.

My only nagging thought since buying this bike is that I might be better 
off with two bikes: an all road bike in the Jan Heine / Bicycle Quarterly 
randonneur style, and a plus or fat rigid mountain bike like a Jones. The 
Atlantis seems to fit squarely in the middle between these two.

What would I get by owning two relatively more specialized bikes versus one 
Atlantis? The randonneur bike might be 2mph faster on pavement, so my 
adventures could have slightly more range, at the expense of being less 
capable on technical terrain. I rarely ride with groups, even without 
COVID, so it's not necessary for me to pedal at the same pace as a group of 
riders on road bikes. It doesn't bother me when a roadie passes me on the 
bike path; when I'm on the Atlantis, I've got nothing to prove.

A mountain bike with knobbies would be more comfortable on gnarly 
singletrack, but less so on pavement. Anyways, I don't have easy access to 
singletrack, and I prefer less populated dirt roads. A low top tube, like 
on the Rivendell Clem, Platypus, or Susie, would be a tangible advantage on 
technical terrain. I'd probab

Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Sam Perez]

Chris ,
The long haul tucker (not featured because I no longer own it It was
stolen) was a nice ride I think it too had a long wheelbase.  I remember
the bike had stout construction and the tires were the big apples. If I
remember were a little rough for the volume. I never experienced a flat. It
was a tank that was the bike I took of I needed to be somewhere and had no
time for incidents. It was a bit twitchy unloaded. Hauling groceries made
it feel stable like a motorcycle. I recall reading somewhere that the LHT
was loosely based on a RIV  anything have input on that ?

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 5:33 PM Chris L  wrote:

> I had an 83-84 Takara Highlander, which was basically a Stumpjumper clone
> and it rode nothing like a Riv.  The Takara was floppy at slow speeds and
> became a juggernaut at medium and faster speeds.  The front-end either felt
> like you couldn't hold it steady or it felt like you could barely budge it
> from straight.
>
> The Hunqapillar front-end is very neutral, not twitchy and not overly
> stable.  In fact, the front end just instinctively goes where I want it
> too, which I think is a big part of the Riv ride magic.   If I see a
> particular path I want to take or something I want to avoid, just thinking
> about it seems to make it happen, with no real conscious effort to make the
> steering corrections.
>
> I test rode a 26" LHT and found it to be extremely twitchy and
> unpleasant.  But, it had drop bars, which I'm not used too, and the skinny
> tires Surly spec'd for it.  Put fat tires and a mtb handlebar on the 26"
> LHT, and I think it would ride similar to a Rivendell.  In fact, the front
> end geometry of the 26" LHT and the original 56 cm Atlantis, yield pretty
> much the same trail and wheel flop numbers.
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned
>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>
>> MB-1  26"
>> MB-0. 26"
>> Surly LTH.  26"
>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>> Salsa ala carte26"
>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>> 80s univega. 26"
>>
>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt
>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain
>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo.
>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/357cb135-c350-4d8f-80bf-8d84859a8e93n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAJN34zkNeJ%3D7v%3D0REi45tXuYAFB5jkydMOjKZOMa9CaeLHfr4w%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Sam Perez]

Hey Jason, I'll check it out, a balanced bike would be nice since I have
bikes that. Are set up to a narrow scope of riding. That last name drop
frame I haven't herd of but will research more info on that .

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 12:50 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Those Sams that are up on the site now (and going quick, noticed a couple
> options are out already after 45 min) are such a good entry to modern Rivs
> in my limited experience.  I have had a couple from your list and the Sam
> Hillborne is head and shoulders above in terms of ride quality IMO,
> although the one area that you might not find improvement is
> "responsiveness".  However, the Sam still rides lively, it's just a lot
> more balanced and comfortable. The geometry makes the bike carve corners
> rather than simply turn, and it floats along unlike any bike I've
> experienced.
>
> I bet the upcoming Charlie H Gallup would right up your alley if the
> aesthetics agree with you.
>
>
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4cfd6001-46b6-401a-a0fb-81f57d38c2afn%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAJN34zmRqrKONaJs2nZKfskvH-Ry5emsmCbdwP-_W4gnEsr_jg%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Sam Perez]

Thanks Joe,  the MB's have the wheel tucked under them the only one with
long wheelbase I own is the stump jumper, the wheel flop is noticeable if I
switch back to back between bikes.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 12:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> *Mt. Diablo. So many typos 🤦
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I've owned a bunch of MBs including one MB-1 and I think it would be a
>> disservice to you to try to compare tkkde very different 30-ish-year-old
>> designs to what Riv does today. The short answer is they're WAY better, but
>> I think you need to ride one to see if you agree. If you're near My Diablo
>> you're near RBW, go over there with some cash for cables and stuff and ride
>> a bike while you're at it! I recommend the Susie, plus I think there's a
>> couple proto Platypuses hanging around still.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 7:38:50 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned
>>> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>>>
>>> MB-1  26"
>>> MB-0. 26"
>>> Surly LTH.  26"
>>> EBISU All purpose 650b
>>> Salsa ala carte26"
>>> 84 stump jumper 26"
>>> 80s univega. 26"
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt
>>> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain
>>> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo.
>>> Haven't decided what model yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/84b59b21-d9bb-4bc6-a8cc-e91a14a7d7f5n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAJN34zmdPR0-qNDPY9k3fTtK8dFtoe7oUxh%3DXDEX8j%2BEANWK3A%40mail.gmail.com.