Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

Even *I'm *surprised I didn't do it, Jason! 🤣



On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:14:31 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Did anyone else lowkey expect Joe to post a photo of his secretly procured 
> and built Platy, or was it just me?  
>
> This bike sounds like a dream to ride and also a defining moment in 
> Rivendell's progression. To be that comfortable, yet quick - it's my 
> favourite of the Riv secret sauces.  
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> This confirmation bias appears to be widespread. I've been around Riv 
>> Stuff since the beginning and the amount of effusive "this is the bike of 
>> all time" praise for Platypus is quite astonishing. Y'all are *into *this 
>> one! 
>>
>> Joe "who loves his droptube custom and totally gets it" Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:48:49 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Joyce, I already have about 60 miles on it from last weekend. 
>>> Obviously there's some confirmation bias at play but (and apparently 
>>> BikesnobNYC agrees here) it really is an incredible ride. So smooth & 
>>> comfortable but also deceptively quick and handles beautifully.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>
 Congratulations, Phillip!  What a beauty.  The brass bell looks so nice 
 with the grips. Let us know what you think of the ride when it stops 
 raining.

 On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks! A meet n' greet would be lovely. The Green Spot is always a 
> good place as we can preceed or proceed with a trip around White Rock?
>
> A few finishing touches today; I gave up trying to make the Tektro 
> FL750 levers work with V-Brakes, I know they're not supposed to but they 
> look so cool don't they? Had lots of braking power but hard to modulate 
> adjusting was non-existent. I found a cheap set of levers on Amazon that 
> seemed to be well reviewed, they're actually pretty nic, especially for 
> the 
> $12.99 price tag.
>
> SKS P50 fenders went on, they're a bit of a PITA to fit to a level 
> worthy of a Platypus but the end result was worth the effort I think.
>
> Aside from that it was new Shellac'd cork grips & a quick adjustment 
> to the real wheel bearing. The only thing left on the punch list (for 
> now) 
> is to wire wheel the kick stand to silver, pure aesthetics of course! Now 
> it needs to stop raining.
>
> [image: PXL_20210512_200646276.jpg]
>
> [image: PXL_20210512_200754931.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> Philip, 
>> Nicely done!
>> A real beaut of a bike!
>>
>> I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.
>>
>> Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a 
>> 5 Riv ride.
>>
>> That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.
>>
>> Perhaps there are others.
>> If so give us a shout out and join in.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
>> PS.
>>
>> Regarding group of Platypus.
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1
>>
>> Quote from above link:
>>
>>
>> "Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be 
>> called a paddle or a puddle.
>>
>> Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds 
>> silly."
>>
>> "
>>
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[RBW] Re: SOLD! Paul Touring cantilevers SOLD! SOLD! Paul Touring cantilevers SOLD!

[J S]

I really need to check this page more often. 

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm sorry not to answer each inquirer, but there were many. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

That's super nice, the 650b is the way to go & thank goodness for the 
Tektro R559s for making these conversions possible. My next one (after I 
sell the Bridgestone single-speed MTB) will hopefully be based on a more 
touring oriented frameset where I will have to reach for the measuring 
calipers a little less, do some vintage cantilevers and have real mounting 
points for racks & fenders.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:52:42 PM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:

> [image: Ferrous Beuller.jpg]
> Here's Ferrous Bueller. A Japanese Tange CroMo frameset with a 650B 
> conversion. Couple of RBW items on it and a seat tube decal from this list. 
> Picture is a few years old but the bike is basically the same today. 
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a 
>> larger size, I'll keep my eye open.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; 
>>> it's a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let 
>>> me know; I'm in your market!
>>>
>>> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
>>> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
>>> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
>>> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
>>> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
>>> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
>>> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
 already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale 
 in 
 Dallas if anyone's interested.


 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html

 [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]

 I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by 
 Riv's recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
 On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:

> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't 
> have 
> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>
> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I 
> figured I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in 
> question is a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a 
> Rivendell ;)
>
> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in 
> with 
> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival 
> since 
> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>
> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b 
> wheelset (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty 
> into a "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product 
> and boy howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this 
> bike. I usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but 
> this Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days 
> riding 
> around campus again.  
>
> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
> inspired builds!
>
> -Clayton
>
> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Jason Fuller]

Did anyone else lowkey expect Joe to post a photo of his secretly procured
and built Platy, or was it just me?

This bike sounds like a dream to ride and also a defining moment in
Rivendell's progression. To be that comfortable, yet quick - it's my
favourite of the Riv secret sauces.

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> This confirmation bias appears to be widespread. I've been around Riv
> Stuff since the beginning and the amount of effusive "this is the bike of
> all time" praise for Platypus is quite astonishing. Y'all are *into *this
> one!
>
> Joe "who loves his droptube custom and totally gets it" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:48:49 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joyce, I already have about 60 miles on it from last weekend.
>> Obviously there's some confirmation bias at play but (and apparently
>> BikesnobNYC agrees here) it really is an incredible ride. So smooth &
>> comfortable but also deceptively quick and handles beautifully.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations, Phillip!  What a beauty.  The brass bell looks so nice
>>> with the grips. Let us know what you think of the ride when it stops
>>> raining.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks! A meet n' greet would be lovely. The Green Spot is always a
 good place as we can preceed or proceed with a trip around White Rock?

 A few finishing touches today; I gave up trying to make the Tektro
 FL750 levers work with V-Brakes, I know they're not supposed to but they
 look so cool don't they? Had lots of braking power but hard to modulate
 adjusting was non-existent. I found a cheap set of levers on Amazon that
 seemed to be well reviewed, they're actually pretty nic, especially for the
 $12.99 price tag.

 SKS P50 fenders went on, they're a bit of a PITA to fit to a level
 worthy of a Platypus but the end result was worth the effort I think.

 Aside from that it was new Shellac'd cork grips & a quick adjustment to
 the real wheel bearing. The only thing left on the punch list (for now) is
 to wire wheel the kick stand to silver, pure aesthetics of course! Now it
 needs to stop raining.

 [image: PXL_20210512_200646276.jpg]

 [image: PXL_20210512_200754931.jpg]



 On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Philip,
> Nicely done!
> A real beaut of a bike!
>
> I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.
>
> Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a
> 5 Riv ride.
>
> That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.
>
> Perhaps there are others.
> If so give us a shout out and join in.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
> PS.
>
> Regarding group of Platypus.
>
> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1
>
> Quote from above link:
>
>
> "Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be called
> a paddle or a puddle.
>
> Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds
> silly."
>
> "
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Rear Drop Outs

[Philip Barrett]

Wow! I guess a straightened rear triangle is probably irrelevant at this 
point? Seriously cool build, how many chains did it take to reach the 
cassette?

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I finally got it built up last week and it's riding great! The 26" front 
> wheel did not work on the 52cm Clem fork. So I got a 650b up front and kept 
> the 26" rear. It handles really well and rides like a dream. Flexy in all 
> the right ways and places. 
>
> Below is a pic and here's a video of my wife and daughter riding it 
> . Let me 
> know if you have any questions about the build etc. 
>
> [image: clem-xtracycle.jpg]
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 3:17 PM Dave  wrote:
>
>> How'd this end up for you Justin? Tempted to try a free radical on the 
>> back of a 650b proto-bleriotwould either be running the 650b with the 
>> expense of the paul motolite brakes (I think that would work), or would be 
>> buying a 26" wheel and running a mismatched 650b up front 26" in back. 
>> Curious to hear your feedback!
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:28:34 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy 
>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>
>>> UPDATE. Turns out a 26" wheel on a 52 Clem L does not work with a 
>>> regular V-brake or canti brake. There may be a way for it to work with some 
>>> other set up but I'm going with the mullet set up - 650b up front and a 26" 
>>> on the Xtracycle Free Radical extension. Just waiting on the new wheel to 
>>> arrive.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:55:38 AM UTC-4 Nerl L. wrote:
>>>
 Hi Justin,
 I'm on a Clem 52 H, so if the fork is different from the L, then this 
 may not help.   Center to center, front axle to brake post is 10-1/2".

 By the way, one year plus later, I'm still happily on the bars, stem 
 and saddle I got from you!

 Best,
 Noah

 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:14:55 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> Well, since it's going to have an Xtracycle extension on the rear, 
> that rear axle measurement doesn't matter much. i just need to know 
> whether 
> a 26" wheel would fit up front. So if anyone with a 52 Clem L could 
> measure 
> the distance from the center of your front axle to the canti/V-brake 
> posts, 
> that would be greatly appreciated. 
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Ask any Clem owner to measure from the center of the rear axle to the 
>> center of the brake caliper bolt, that's the magic number you need.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:36:08 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm you're right, the Motolites are built to go the other way -- 
>>> fitting 650b or 700c to a bike meant for 26". I currently have a cheap 
>>> Shimano V-brake on the front. Will measure and see if there's any room 
>>> for 
>>> losing reach. I like your canti suggestion too. I may email Riv and see 
>>> what their thoughts are. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:26 AM Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If it helps, the 650b wheels that came off this measure as;

 Axle C to inner edge of of rim = 290mm
 Axle C to outer edge of rim = 305mm

 To my calculations you'll need to lose (not gain) 25mm of reach. 
 Centerpull cantilevers might get you there?

 Then again, for the price of a pair of Paul's you could buy a nice 
 set of 650b wheel & call it done?

 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
 (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> I was just looking at that posting! I'm considering upgrading my 
> Xtracylce using this frame. Does anyone know if I can fit a 26" wheel 
> up 
> front, maybe using a Paul Motolite or something with lots of reach? I 
> know 
> the 52 is made for 650b but my current wheelset is 26" Velocity 
> Cliffhanger 
> and I'd rather not have to change it up. 
>
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:09:48 AM UTC-4 
> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Update; Bikeflights has settled the claim & the frame was donated 
>> to a kid's bike charity. Currently up for sale on ebay with the 
>> damage 
>> shown & repair noted, might be a deal for someone who is OK with the 
>> condition;
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203329558177?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=4ac514ba1adb42079cd095c39e2f34f2&bu=44128052550&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20210401070233&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:52:53 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett 
>> w

Re: [RBW] WTB VERY used Snoqualmie Pass

[Jon Dukeman]

Hi Adam
Are you still making sling shots and selling security screws and bolts.
I have a pair of "barely used "Snoqualmie pass 700c tires.  Black sidewall.
My priorities have changed. Flat resistant takes precident over cushy ride
I had a flat and went back to schwalbe.
This maybe more than you want to spend . You can see the fine tread like
new. They are pretty close to being a slick.
How about $60 for both plus a sling shot and free shipping depending where
you live.
Let me know.
Jon

On Tue, May 11, 2021, 1:49 PM Adam  wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm thinking about buying some snoqualmie pass tires, but would love to
> try them on some of the surfaces I ride before committing to the price of
> new ones.
>
> Does anyone have a set of VERY used sonqualmie passes that they'd be
> willing to sell for cheap? Even if they only have <50miles left, that's
> fine, I just want to check clearances under the VO 52mm fenders, their
> handling of mud and dirt, and compare them to the cazaderos I'm currently
> using.
>
> Thanks
>
> Adam
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[RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

This confirmation bias appears to be widespread. I've been around Riv Stuff 
since the beginning and the amount of effusive "this is the bike of all 
time" praise for Platypus is quite astonishing. Y'all are *into *this one! 

Joe "who loves his droptube custom and totally gets it" Bernard

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:48:49 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Joyce, I already have about 60 miles on it from last weekend. 
> Obviously there's some confirmation bias at play but (and apparently 
> BikesnobNYC agrees here) it really is an incredible ride. So smooth & 
> comfortable but also deceptively quick and handles beautifully.
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> Congratulations, Phillip!  What a beauty.  The brass bell looks so nice 
>> with the grips. Let us know what you think of the ride when it stops 
>> raining.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! A meet n' greet would be lovely. The Green Spot is always a good 
>>> place as we can preceed or proceed with a trip around White Rock?
>>>
>>> A few finishing touches today; I gave up trying to make the Tektro FL750 
>>> levers work with V-Brakes, I know they're not supposed to but they look so 
>>> cool don't they? Had lots of braking power but hard to modulate adjusting 
>>> was non-existent. I found a cheap set of levers on Amazon that seemed to be 
>>> well reviewed, they're actually pretty nic, especially for the $12.99 price 
>>> tag.
>>>
>>> SKS P50 fenders went on, they're a bit of a PITA to fit to a level 
>>> worthy of a Platypus but the end result was worth the effort I think.
>>>
>>> Aside from that it was new Shellac'd cork grips & a quick adjustment to 
>>> the real wheel bearing. The only thing left on the punch list (for now) is 
>>> to wire wheel the kick stand to silver, pure aesthetics of course! Now it 
>>> needs to stop raining.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210512_200646276.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210512_200754931.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
 Philip, 
 Nicely done!
 A real beaut of a bike!

 I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.

 Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a 5 
 Riv ride.

 That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.

 Perhaps there are others.
 If so give us a shout out and join in.

 Paul in Dallas

 PS.

 Regarding group of Platypus.

 https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1

 Quote from above link:


 "Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be called a
  paddle or a puddle.

 Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds 
 silly."

 "

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob NYC gets a Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

I'm sure "you must use fatter tires" is a Riv Rule he can do a post about. 



On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 5:58:50 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Someone must tell him to install fatter tires.
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:48 PM spencer robinson  wrote:
>
>> I believe the Bike Snob to be 5’10” and he chose a 60mm frame, I see he 
>> has a a decent amount of seat post showing. I bet it rides nice
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 7:25:33 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> He's quite excited!
>>>
>>> So, that makes three in his household within the past year--AHHilsen, 
>>> Clem L (for his wife), and Platypus.  
>>>
>>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2021/05/11/its-here-its-here
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob NYC gets a Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Someone must tell him to install fatter tires.

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:48 PM spencer robinson  wrote:

> I believe the Bike Snob to be 5’10” and he chose a 60mm frame, I see he
> has a a decent amount of seat post showing. I bet it rides nice
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 7:25:33 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> He's quite excited!
>>
>> So, that makes three in his household within the past year--AHHilsen,
>> Clem L (for his wife), and Platypus.
>>
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2021/05/11/its-here-its-here
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob NYC gets a Platypus

[spencer robinson]

I believe the Bike Snob to be 5’10” and he chose a 60mm frame, I see he has 
a a decent amount of seat post showing. I bet it rides nice

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 7:25:33 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> He's quite excited!
>
> So, that makes three in his household within the past year--AHHilsen, Clem 
> L (for his wife), and Platypus.  
>
> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2021/05/11/its-here-its-here/ 
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[RBW] “My other car is a Rivendell”

[Drw]

“My other car is a Rivendell” as seen on a license plate frame on a blue 
Honda Accord in front of me on the 405 freeway in West LA today. I thought 
maybe it was a different sort of Rivendell, but there was also a “share the 
road sticker”. Anybody here?

I’ve only seen 2 rivs in the wild so this feels like a very rare spotting. 

-Drew

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[RBW] SOLD! Paul Touring cantilevers SOLD! SOLD! Paul Touring cantilevers SOLD!

[Patrick Moore]

I'm sorry not to answer each inquirer, but there were many.


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[RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks Joyce, I already have about 60 miles on it from last weekend. 
Obviously there's some confirmation bias at play but (and apparently 
BikesnobNYC agrees here) it really is an incredible ride. So smooth & 
comfortable but also deceptively quick and handles beautifully.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> Congratulations, Phillip!  What a beauty.  The brass bell looks so nice 
> with the grips. Let us know what you think of the ride when it stops 
> raining.
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks! A meet n' greet would be lovely. The Green Spot is always a good 
>> place as we can preceed or proceed with a trip around White Rock?
>>
>> A few finishing touches today; I gave up trying to make the Tektro FL750 
>> levers work with V-Brakes, I know they're not supposed to but they look so 
>> cool don't they? Had lots of braking power but hard to modulate adjusting 
>> was non-existent. I found a cheap set of levers on Amazon that seemed to be 
>> well reviewed, they're actually pretty nic, especially for the $12.99 price 
>> tag.
>>
>> SKS P50 fenders went on, they're a bit of a PITA to fit to a level worthy 
>> of a Platypus but the end result was worth the effort I think.
>>
>> Aside from that it was new Shellac'd cork grips & a quick adjustment to 
>> the real wheel bearing. The only thing left on the punch list (for now) is 
>> to wire wheel the kick stand to silver, pure aesthetics of course! Now it 
>> needs to stop raining.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210512_200646276.jpg]
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210512_200754931.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> Philip, 
>>> Nicely done!
>>> A real beaut of a bike!
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.
>>>
>>> Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a 5 
>>> Riv ride.
>>>
>>> That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there are others.
>>> If so give us a shout out and join in.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>> PS.
>>>
>>> Regarding group of Platypus.
>>>
>>> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1
>>>
>>> Quote from above link:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be called a
>>>  paddle or a puddle.
>>>
>>> Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds 
>>> silly."
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[JAS]

Congratulations, Phillip!  What a beauty.  The brass bell looks so nice 
with the grips. Let us know what you think of the ride when it stops 
raining.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks! A meet n' greet would be lovely. The Green Spot is always a good 
> place as we can preceed or proceed with a trip around White Rock?
>
> A few finishing touches today; I gave up trying to make the Tektro FL750 
> levers work with V-Brakes, I know they're not supposed to but they look so 
> cool don't they? Had lots of braking power but hard to modulate adjusting 
> was non-existent. I found a cheap set of levers on Amazon that seemed to be 
> well reviewed, they're actually pretty nic, especially for the $12.99 price 
> tag.
>
> SKS P50 fenders went on, they're a bit of a PITA to fit to a level worthy 
> of a Platypus but the end result was worth the effort I think.
>
> Aside from that it was new Shellac'd cork grips & a quick adjustment to 
> the real wheel bearing. The only thing left on the punch list (for now) is 
> to wire wheel the kick stand to silver, pure aesthetics of course! Now it 
> needs to stop raining.
>
> [image: PXL_20210512_200646276.jpg]
>
> [image: PXL_20210512_200754931.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> Philip, 
>> Nicely done!
>> A real beaut of a bike!
>>
>> I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.
>>
>> Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a 5 
>> Riv ride.
>>
>> That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.
>>
>> Perhaps there are others.
>> If so give us a shout out and join in.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
>> PS.
>>
>> Regarding group of Platypus.
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1
>>
>> Quote from above link:
>>
>>
>> "Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be called a 
>> paddle or a puddle.
>>
>> Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds 
>> silly."
>>
>> "
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a larger 
size, I'll keep my eye open.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; it's 
> a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let me 
> know; I'm in your market!
>
> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
>> already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale in 
>> Dallas if anyone's interested.
>>
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]
>>
>> I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by Riv's 
>> recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:
>>
>>> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
>>> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't have 
>>> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>>>
>>> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I figured 
>>> I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in question is 
>>> a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a Rivendell ;)
>>>
>>> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
>>> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
>>> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
>>> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in with 
>>> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
>>> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival since 
>>> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b wheelset 
>>> (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty into a 
>>> "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product and boy 
>>> howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this bike. I 
>>> usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but this 
>>> Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days riding 
>>> around campus again.  
>>>
>>> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
>>> inspired builds!
>>>
>>> -Clayton
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Kushan]

Just spotted this 60 cm 
Cheviot: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254976736651?hash=item3b5dcc3d8b:g:RxwAAOSw64VgnBZP
On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:09:24 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hunqapillar
> 62cm
> $2500 obo
> Portland, ME
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/114804680432
>
>
>
> On May 12, 2021, at 5:07 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> I'm not on Facebook but occasionally cruise Marketplace. 
>
> 50cm Rambouillet in Chappaqua, NY. $1,900
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2997181660494928/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post
>
> 47cm Roadini frame in Beacon, NY. $950 (Just has stock photos from Riv 
> website with listing)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2877322799206984/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post
>
>  8.06.28 AM.png>
>
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Rambouillet Custom 
>> Small (contact owner for size)
>> $2200
>> Fort Collins, CO
>>
>>
>> https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/bik/d/fort-collins-rivendell-rambouillet/7319534301.html
>>
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[RBW] Sale of Paul touring canti pair pending

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick Moore
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Rear Drop Outs

[Dave]

How'd this end up for you Justin? Tempted to try a free radical on the back 
of a 650b proto-bleriotwould either be running the 650b with the 
expense of the paul motolite brakes (I think that would work), or would be 
buying a 26" wheel and running a mismatched 650b up front 26" in back. 
Curious to hear your feedback!

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:28:34 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> UPDATE. Turns out a 26" wheel on a 52 Clem L does not work with a regular 
> V-brake or canti brake. There may be a way for it to work with some other 
> set up but I'm going with the mullet set up - 650b up front and a 26" on 
> the Xtracycle Free Radical extension. Just waiting on the new wheel to 
> arrive.
>
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:55:38 AM UTC-4 Nerl L. wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>> I'm on a Clem 52 H, so if the fork is different from the L, then this may 
>> not help.   Center to center, front axle to brake post is 10-1/2".
>>
>> By the way, one year plus later, I'm still happily on the bars, stem and 
>> saddle I got from you!
>>
>> Best,
>> Noah
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:14:55 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>> NY) wrote:
>>
>>> Well, since it's going to have an Xtracycle extension on the rear, that 
>>> rear axle measurement doesn't matter much. i just need to know whether a 
>>> 26" wheel would fit up front. So if anyone with a 52 Clem L could measure 
>>> the distance from the center of your front axle to the canti/V-brake posts, 
>>> that would be greatly appreciated. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ask any Clem owner to measure from the center of the rear axle to the 
 center of the brake caliper bolt, that's the magic number you need.

 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:36:08 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Hmm you're right, the Motolites are built to go the other way -- 
> fitting 650b or 700c to a bike meant for 26". I currently have a cheap 
> Shimano V-brake on the front. Will measure and see if there's any room 
> for 
> losing reach. I like your canti suggestion too. I may email Riv and see 
> what their thoughts are. 
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:26 AM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> If it helps, the 650b wheels that came off this measure as;
>>
>> Axle C to inner edge of of rim = 290mm
>> Axle C to outer edge of rim = 305mm
>>
>> To my calculations you'll need to lose (not gain) 25mm of reach. 
>> Centerpull cantilevers might get you there?
>>
>> Then again, for the price of a pair of Paul's you could buy a nice 
>> set of 650b wheel & call it done?
>>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>
>>> I was just looking at that posting! I'm considering upgrading my 
>>> Xtracylce using this frame. Does anyone know if I can fit a 26" wheel 
>>> up 
>>> front, maybe using a Paul Motolite or something with lots of reach? I 
>>> know 
>>> the 52 is made for 650b but my current wheelset is 26" Velocity 
>>> Cliffhanger 
>>> and I'd rather not have to change it up. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:09:48 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Update; Bikeflights has settled the claim & the frame was donated 
 to a kid's bike charity. Currently up for sale on ebay with the damage 
 shown & repair noted, might be a deal for someone who is OK with the 
 condition;


 https://www.ebay.com/itm/203329558177?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=4ac514ba1adb42079cd095c39e2f34f2&bu=44128052550&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20210401070233&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid

 On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:52:53 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett 
 wrote:

> It was through Bikeflights.com, I've used them before & they were 
> excellent so here's hoping they come through. I doubt any frame 
> however 
> well packed would have survived whatever it was they dropped on top 
> off 
> this, the sides of the Secialized shipping box were actually burst! A 
> carbon frame would have just snapped.
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 10:54:59 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Phillip,
>>
>> What a disappointment to discover the damage when you opened the 
>> box. Did Rivendell ship your Clem? I've purchased a few frames from 
>> them 
>> and the dropouts (and fork ends) were always well secured. 
>> Good luck and please let us know how this is resolved. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 8:10:16 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

[RBW] Re: DaVinci and Andel cranks and rings

[Patrick Moore]

And *yes,* I know I am grossly violating Garth's advice to use and like
what I have. But I still want to know.

Patrick Moore, already with TA, Logic, and WI cranks on his bikes in: ABQ,
NM.

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 11:35 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, Garth, for alerting us to these makers. If I've heard of them I'd
> forgotten about them.
>
> Question to all: Who has used these, and what do you think of them
> compared to RH, IRD, Silver, VO, and other "classic" square taper models? I
> think in particular of singles and wide range doubles.
>
> I also think of weight, looks, durability (in your experience), ring
> choice, adaptability to frames with different tire widths, and ease of
> finding rings and hardware; that is, among other things, BCD and supplier
> availability.
>
> Is the RH crank worth double the price of the DaVinci? (I've heard at
> least a couple of owners complaining about RH cranks, so it's not as if
> they were absolutely trouble free.)
>
> Patrick Moore, who does in fact have an ancient stash of ancient Pro 5 Vis
> cranks and rings.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:52 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Another versatile crank that comes to mind is Davinci . It's offered in a
>> host of changeable spiders, with or w/o rings.
>> https://www.davincitandems.com/components/#cranks
>>
>
>
>> ... Rich ... cranks galore from Andel !!!
>> http://www.andel.com.tw/category.php
>>
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[RBW] DaVinci and Andel cranks and rings

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Garth, for alerting us to these makers. If I've heard of them I'd
forgotten about them.

Question to all: Who has used these, and what do you think of them compared
to RH, IRD, Silver, VO, and other "classic" square taper models? I think in
particular of singles and wide range doubles.

I also think of weight, looks, durability (in your experience), ring
choice, adaptability to frames with different tire widths, and ease of
finding rings and hardware; that is, among other things, BCD and supplier
availability.

Is the RH crank worth double the price of the DaVinci? (I've heard at least
a couple of owners complaining about RH cranks, so it's not as if they were
absolutely trouble free.)

Patrick Moore, who does in fact have an ancient stash of ancient Pro 5 Vis
cranks and rings.



On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:52 AM Garth  wrote:

> ...
> Another versatile crank that comes to mind is Davinci . It's offered in a
> host of changeable spiders, with or w/o rings.
> https://www.davincitandems.com/components/#cranks
>


> ... Rich ... cranks galore from Andel !!!
> http://www.andel.com.tw/category.php
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Re: [RBW] Re: Derailer for A. Homer Hilsen

[R Shannon]

Hi Garth,

The model number for the Claris double is FD-2400.

Thanks for the link to Andel cranks. +1 on the classic design and common
bolt pattern.

I'm in your camp when it comes to the spirit of a "good ride":-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 7:52 AM Garth  wrote:

> Doug, The most direct thing I can say is trust yourself and those initial
> ideas of what works for you. A 24t ring is always gonna be 24t and a 26t a
> 26t, they'll never be the same !  The Riv silver crank will be here when
> you need it. A more expensive crank is just more expensive and won't make
> any difference in your rides. The "lighter = faster" thing just doesn't
> hold up in my experience as such terms are relatives, comparisons of
> comparisons with other comparisons. Is your head spinning from the round
> and round like a circle of no escape ?  Such are comparisons !
>
> Another versatile crank that comes to mind is Davinci . It's offered in a
> host of changeable spiders, with or w/o rings.
> https://www.davincitandems.com/components/#cranks
>
> My own bias here : I like common bolt pattern cranks, where I can use any
> brand of rings.
> A "good ride" is forgetting all about the story of how the present came to
> be and where it's going, to not think about anything at all. Life literally
> does "take care of It-Self".
>
>
> Rich ... cranks galore from Andel !!! http://www.andel.com.tw/category.php
>
>
> For Doug and Rich, which Claris FD model are you referring to ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the comments everybody. Garth, I agree that the compact double
>> sounds good on paper and saves a few ounces, but like you, I'm still
>> reluctant to give up my triple in the hills where I ride. I still wonder if
>> the 26 will be as useful as the 24. I don't use my 24 with the 32 in back
>> often, but when I need it...I need it. I even run a 11-34 in the back
>> sometimes. Again, nice when you need it.
>>
>> Nice to know that Andel makes the Silver triple. Of course I could also
>> consider the Rene Herse triple, but one has to wonder if it is going to be
>> that many $$$ better than the Silver triple. How much lighter and faster
>> can it really be? Both the Herse double and triple are gorgeous, of course.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:38:13 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> My experience with double FD's is that they are incredibly adaptable
>>> with capacities far beyond the manufacturers self-imposed specs and
>>> guidelines. The apparent raves about the CX70 I take with a grain of salt
>>> as there are endless other double FD's that work just as well. I'm
>>> currently using a Tiagra 4400 9-speed double FD with 44/36/24 rings (9-sp
>>> chain, Andel triple crank) and it shifts as well as I could ask for. That's
>>> even using a 44t ring intended for small/middle use mounted backwards, as
>>> the big ring. The specs of the FD say it's 2(larger) road rings, the specs
>>> say it only has so much capacity between the rings. How about what the
>>> specs don't say, or can't say ? What specs don't/can't mention is the
>>> infinitude of settings and usefulness. What they cannot express is the
>>> unlimited/inherent creativity that lies within.
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, about comparing wide/low doubles and triple cranks. 3
>>> rings offers the ability to run either large ring with the cassette. Even
>>> if some gears appear to overlap per ring that's okay as that offers the
>>> ability to use different cogs in the back rather the same cog all the time
>>> with a single ring alone. It also offers larger up/down shifts just by
>>> changing rings rather than by just cog shifts. So while a wide/low crank
>>> sounds okay in talking about it, I won't be riding one anytime soon with
>>> the hilly terrain I live in where I use 36,44,46 rings and cogs from 14 to
>>> 32 teeth daily.
>>>
>>> Also, the 152mm Andel triple crank I run is a black powdercoat finish.
>>> Andel makes it in silver also , but I've grown to like the hearty finish.
>>> It's very scratch resistant and easy to clean if need be. It's also notably
>>> stiffer/straighter than a Sugino XD type crank of which I've used 5 of. The
>>> XD is another of those online rider "favorites" that in my experiences is
>>> the least favorite of all. The hidden/backwards bolt only adds to it's
>>> demerits. Andel is a fine crank manufacturer, I wish their extensive crank
>>> selection was more easily accessible in the US market. The Riv Silver crank
>>> is made by Andel, btw.
>>>
>>> I've grown to like some black finished parts. At this point anything but
>>> the frame I'm okay with in given circumstances.
>>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:26:07 AM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>
 Hi Doug, is your Claris triple specific? If it's not, that may account
 for the rough shifts. Triple FDs have an inner plate that is taller than
 the outer one. The CX70 is spec'ced for a double crank (46T top gear, 1

[RBW] To My Platypus People!

[True Golden]

Philip,
Nicely done!
A real beaut of a bike!

I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.

Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a 5 Riv 
ride.

That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.

Perhaps there are others.
If so give us a shout out and join in.

Paul in Dallas

PS.

Regarding group of Platypus.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1

Quote from above link:


"Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be called a paddle 
or a puddle.

Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds silly."

"

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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob NYC gets a Platypus

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Roberta and I were guessing and we thought lime Platy. But we didn’t think 
he’d opt for the 60 - is he that tall? But, there IS some wiggle room here, 
the PBH begins at 82 for the 55cm and I’m only an 81. My bike fits like a 
glove.

Now, how fast can he put a bike together? I can hardly wait to see today’s 
blog post. 
Leah



On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:25:33 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> He's quite excited!
>
> So, that makes three in his household within the past year--AHHilsen, Clem 
> L (for his wife), and Platypus.  
>
> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2021/05/11/its-here-its-here/ 
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[RBW] Re: Derailer for A. Homer Hilsen

[Garth]

Doug, The most direct thing I can say is trust yourself and those initial 
ideas of what works for you. A 24t ring is always gonna be 24t and a 26t a 
26t, they'll never be the same !  The Riv silver crank will be here when 
you need it. A more expensive crank is just more expensive and won't make 
any difference in your rides. The "lighter = faster" thing just doesn't 
hold up in my experience as such terms are relatives, comparisons of 
comparisons with other comparisons. Is your head spinning from the round 
and round like a circle of no escape ?  Such are comparisons !  

Another versatile crank that comes to mind is Davinci . It's offered in a 
host of changeable spiders, with or w/o rings. 
https://www.davincitandems.com/components/#cranks

My own bias here : I like common bolt pattern cranks, where I can use any 
brand of rings. 
A "good ride" is forgetting all about the story of how the present came to 
be and where it's going, to not think about anything at all. Life literally 
does "take care of It-Self". 


Rich ... cranks galore from Andel !!! http://www.andel.com.tw/category.php


For Doug and Rich, which Claris FD model are you referring to ? 







On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:

> Thanks for the comments everybody. Garth, I agree that the compact double 
> sounds good on paper and saves a few ounces, but like you, I'm still 
> reluctant to give up my triple in the hills where I ride. I still wonder if 
> the 26 will be as useful as the 24. I don't use my 24 with the 32 in back 
> often, but when I need it...I need it. I even run a 11-34 in the back 
> sometimes. Again, nice when you need it.
>
> Nice to know that Andel makes the Silver triple. Of course I could also 
> consider the Rene Herse triple, but one has to wonder if it is going to be 
> that many $$$ better than the Silver triple. How much lighter and faster 
> can it really be? Both the Herse double and triple are gorgeous, of course.
>
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:38:13 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> My experience with double FD's is that they are incredibly adaptable with 
>> capacities far beyond the manufacturers self-imposed specs and guidelines. 
>> The apparent raves about the CX70 I take with a grain of salt as there are 
>> endless other double FD's that work just as well. I'm currently using a 
>> Tiagra 4400 9-speed double FD with 44/36/24 rings (9-sp chain, Andel triple 
>> crank) and it shifts as well as I could ask for. That's even using a 44t 
>> ring intended for small/middle use mounted backwards, as the big ring. The 
>> specs of the FD say it's 2(larger) road rings, the specs say it only has so 
>> much capacity between the rings. How about what the specs don't say, or 
>> can't say ? What specs don't/can't mention is the infinitude of settings 
>> and usefulness. What they cannot express is the unlimited/inherent 
>> creativity that lies within. 
>>
>>
>> By the way, about comparing wide/low doubles and triple cranks. 3 
>> rings offers the ability to run either large ring with the cassette. Even 
>> if some gears appear to overlap per ring that's okay as that offers the 
>> ability to use different cogs in the back rather the same cog all the time 
>> with a single ring alone. It also offers larger up/down shifts just by 
>> changing rings rather than by just cog shifts. So while a wide/low crank 
>> sounds okay in talking about it, I won't be riding one anytime soon with 
>> the hilly terrain I live in where I use 36,44,46 rings and cogs from 14 to 
>> 32 teeth daily. 
>>
>> Also, the 152mm Andel triple crank I run is a black powdercoat finish. 
>> Andel makes it in silver also , but I've grown to like the hearty finish. 
>> It's very scratch resistant and easy to clean if need be. It's also notably 
>> stiffer/straighter than a Sugino XD type crank of which I've used 5 of. The 
>> XD is another of those online rider "favorites" that in my experiences is 
>> the least favorite of all. The hidden/backwards bolt only adds to it's 
>> demerits. Andel is a fine crank manufacturer, I wish their extensive crank 
>> selection was more easily accessible in the US market. The Riv Silver crank 
>> is made by Andel, btw. 
>>
>> I've grown to like some black finished parts. At this point anything but 
>> the frame I'm okay with in given circumstances. 
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:26:07 AM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Doug, is your Claris triple specific? If it's not, that may account 
>>> for the rough shifts. Triple FDs have an inner plate that is taller than 
>>> the outer one. The CX70 is spec'ced for a double crank (46T top gear, 16T 
>>> outer-to-inner difference) may have problems with the triple as well.
>>>
>>> I've used a Claris double with a VO 46/30 and a Sugino 42/26 in 
>>> friction, and it worked well for both. Currently on my MIT Hillsen I'm 
>>> running a Silver 46-34-24 with a Deore FD-M591 (the 3x9 version), a 9-speed 
>>> rear, and Silver1 shi

Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[ascpgh]

I took a pass on a RockCombo in '89 to get a StumpJumper in Mark's magenta 
and Di Nucci green with the acre of sticker (not decal)  smoothing the 
colors' junction on the top tube after seriously considering it but opting 
for the more relaxed steering geo of the stalwart MTB. I had tough enough 
trails that for riding them my bike needed to be less of a combo and more 
of a specific tool. I guess that was an accurate decision as I broke a 
chainstay on that frame which they warrantied with a dark smoky purple 
Prestige StumpJumper Comp with dark red lettering. Now that was sweet. I 
just couldn't swing the sticker price money for the complete bike over the 
base model.

Three years later I did get a "92 Bridgestone XO-2, the purple one with the 
WTB Dirt Drops as a non technical trail all-roader. A very under 
appreciated yeoman all arounder that should join your list. Still in long 
term loan use up the block. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 12:44:38 PM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:

> Johnny, thanks for the link. And Michael, thanks for the feedback. 
> This clarifies things. Sounds like the biggest downfall of the bike was 
> just the 26" wheel size, and is only a downfall in terms of acceptance and 
> not in performance.
> Its sad to think that a market preference for 700c wheels, with skinny 
> tires, "killed" 26" bikes like the Rock Combo.
> Something like the visionaries having to follow the blind.
> I'll tack some on to my question in my previous post: desired allrounder 
> bikes of yore - 
> - Rock Combo
> - XO-1
> - MB-1 and MB-0 ?
> - Hunqapillar
> Happy to see additions or subtractions to/from this list.
> @kevs_bikes and @sfbiketrader have some interesting ones on Instagram.
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:53:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> thanks for that link johnny. matthew -  mine does have some pretty shoddy 
>> tig - seat tube connection has a hole. The BB height did seem excessively 
>> low when I first jumped on it, but surprisingly I haven't had too much 
>> issue out riding, even on some pretty rough trail. And that is pretty much 
>> what I ride it on - rougher mixed terrain rides. It has that magic feel. 
>> Would love to have a Rivendell to compare it to!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:19:51 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Matthew P
>>>
>>> Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock 
>>> Combo, seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
>>> that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec 
>>> (the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):
>>>
>>>
>>> http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html
>>>
>>> I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though. 
>>>
>>> Johnny in Belgium
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
 I love this thread.
 And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist 
 https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
 But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the 
 bike designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically 
 trashed 
 it!
 Thoughts?
 Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
 Thanks.
 -Matthew

 On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
> Rock Combo  😍  beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some 
>> point. until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock 
>> combo.
>>
>> Michael 
>> Boone, NC.
>>
>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c 
>>> rims?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>>
 I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the 
 original pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't 
 really 
 have that classic Rivendell look. 

 But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been 
 reconfigured over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a 
 five-speed, 27" drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 
 700C 
 rims, a six-speed freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, 
 Brooks B-17 saddle, cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley 
 saddlebag, 
 bell, etc. Since this photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the 
 rear. 
 And af