[RBW] Re: It's a Tosco, on a Face Plater

[Joe Bernard]

Oh no, Dorothy! I'm glad you were able to get that stinkin' bolt outta 
there.  

I just had a similar experience last night, I was installing a crank on my 
Susie and that big torque wrench would NOT click. I'm pushing and pushing 
and my stupid arthritic hand is about to fall off and I'm thinking, "I'm 
gonna break something big here in a minute." It finally clicked but yikes!

Joe "don't break don't break don't break" Bernard

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 8:05:35 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

>
> Joe, I didn’t hear my torque wrench click and ended up snapping a bolt in 
> two on the first Faceplater I bought. Luckily there was enough thread 
> poking through to the back that I was able to advance it all the way 
> through with needlenose pliers. I am more cautious tightening them down 
> now. 
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 11:15:50 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Laing,
>>
>> What you see in the pics - including how high I have the bars/stem - is 
>> the result of basal joint (base of thumb) arthritis. It's most prominent in 
>> my right hand (I'm right-handed) and hurts like the dickens if I shift a 
>> lot, so I swapped them around and shift the rear derailer with my "good" 
>> left hand. I have them mounted semi-horizontally to avoid thumbshifting, I 
>> basically use my whole hand to make the shift. So it's very specific and 
>> looks unusual, but it works! 
>>
>> Joe "ow ow ow ow" Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 6:35:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I note that you have your thumb shifters in an interesting location - to 
>>> the "inside" of the bar (Riv style), but shiting in the more or less 
>>> traditional horizontal plane instead of the Riv style vertical plane. So 
>>> sort of rotating in the opposite direction from traditional. How do you 
>>> like them in that position"
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 12:15:17 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Ok let's try this again with proper pics, sorry if the earlier version 
 is still in your emails (I don't know how that works).

 This is my nifty new 60cm Tosco on my nifty new 135mm Nitto Face 
 Plater. The bar is a bit cut down from Bosco and - this is the part I care 
 about - has a little more flare at the grips. As the Riv ad copy says it's 
 not quite the looker of Nitto (and it's heavier than my cromo 55 Bosco) 
 but 
 it's only 60 bucks! I like the hand positions and the slightly less HEY 
 I'M 
 A CONSPICUOUSLY TALL BAR look. Check it out. 

 Joe Bernard



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[RBW] Re: Things You Might Like

[Joe Bernard]

I just found two of those in a parts drawer. You would think I'd bought the 
magnets too but nope! 



On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I love the little pushmi-pullyu magnet-mounted wrench. It stays put on the 
> seat tube, or let it ride up front. 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/tool-pushmi-pullyu-hex-wrench
>
> Mike in Austin
>
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:04:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> [image: 61EFBF0A-CF73-46E8-A772-9945FE80A017.jpeg][image: 
>> 0DDE862C-5234-4CFD-A788-FFA8CDD1DBDD.jpeg]This will be a delightful and 
>> useful thread. What things do you have on your bike that you find dead 
>> useful? Bonus points if it is also darling.
>>
>> I’ll go first. 
>>
>> I have done away with bottle cages in favor of Randi Jo Bartender Plus 
>> bags. I like to carry a Hydroflask and her bags take both 32 and 40 oz 
>> bottles. I recently got a new Hydroflask with a straw lid and now I can sip 
>> water right out of the bottle without pulling it out of the bag. Bonus 
>> points: the vinyl Platypus sticker.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: It's a Tosco, on a Face Plater

[Dorothy C]

Joe, I didn’t hear my torque wrench click and ended up snapping a bolt in 
two on the first Faceplater I bought. Luckily there was enough thread 
poking through to the back that I was able to advance it all the way 
through with needlenose pliers. I am more cautious tightening them down 
now. 
On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 11:15:50 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Laing,
>
> What you see in the pics - including how high I have the bars/stem - is 
> the result of basal joint (base of thumb) arthritis. It's most prominent in 
> my right hand (I'm right-handed) and hurts like the dickens if I shift a 
> lot, so I swapped them around and shift the rear derailer with my "good" 
> left hand. I have them mounted semi-horizontally to avoid thumbshifting, I 
> basically use my whole hand to make the shift. So it's very specific and 
> looks unusual, but it works! 
>
> Joe "ow ow ow ow" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 6:35:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I note that you have your thumb shifters in an interesting location - to 
>> the "inside" of the bar (Riv style), but shiting in the more or less 
>> traditional horizontal plane instead of the Riv style vertical plane. So 
>> sort of rotating in the opposite direction from traditional. How do you 
>> like them in that position"
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 12:15:17 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ok let's try this again with proper pics, sorry if the earlier version 
>>> is still in your emails (I don't know how that works).
>>>
>>> This is my nifty new 60cm Tosco on my nifty new 135mm Nitto Face Plater. 
>>> The bar is a bit cut down from Bosco and - this is the part I care about - 
>>> has a little more flare at the grips. As the Riv ad copy says it's not 
>>> quite the looker of Nitto (and it's heavier than my cromo 55 Bosco) but 
>>> it's only 60 bucks! I like the hand positions and the slightly less HEY I'M 
>>> A CONSPICUOUSLY TALL BAR look. Check it out. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

Unbelievable, Mike. I remember those days, they were otherworldly. I cannot 
imagine camping and I cannot believe you stuck it out! I’m on your turf this 
weekend, rafting the lower Kern. Really great and tomorrow we’ll hit Sequoia 
and Kings, spend the day and drive home into the night. I miss my bike! 

Leah “heading back to windy LV, NV” Peterson

Sent from my iPad

> On May 29, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
> 
> Leah, saw your note about the wind in LV. I was in NE Eureka Valley, of 
> Death Valley NP on 5/20 - 23/. The wind was so bad Thursday night in 
> Horsethief Canyon (5/20) we (12 people) almost packed up and headed for the 
> Glacier Lodge in Big Pine. Half the crew slept in their vehicles, no tents 
> put up because they would blow over (tried). I had the best spot, under a 
> rock overhang where the wind was only 5-10 mph. Chance of snow and rain 
> between 0400 and 1000 on 5/21. 
> 
> Mike "back in windy SLO CA" Godwin
> 
>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 7:20:03 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - belt 
>> and braces as we say back home!
>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
>>> protector 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r.
>>>The white you see is just the backing. 
>>>   
 On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  Have 
 fun.
 
 Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden only 3 
 bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew?  This 
 is something I never thought about but now I am. 
 Kate-Trenton, NJ
 my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have been 
 selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
 
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine and 
> it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I have a 
> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I think 
> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape 
> and did that on a prior bike.
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. 
>> Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
>>> don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
>>> that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
>>> Platy. 
>>> 
>>> This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly 
>>> wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta 
>>> and I have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our 
>>> words out without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me 
>>> hours of footage this weekend, lol!
>>> 
>>> It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more 
>>> endearing watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your 
>>> travails. Like Pam Murray!
>>> 
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
 
>>> 
 Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  
 
 The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle cover. 
  Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE (with 
 my original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She 
 "gets" me.
 
 Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
 white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have 
 two colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the 
 fenders, rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar 
 is Billie.  Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  
 
 
 
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
> - Platyphernalia -
> 
> Someone at RBW right now: 
> 
> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
> 
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Platyphernalia.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oooh I love that pin. 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Mike Godwin]

Leah, saw your note about the wind in LV. I was in NE Eureka Valley, of 
Death Valley NP on 5/20 - 23/. The wind was so bad Thursday night in 
Horsethief Canyon (5/20) we (12 people) almost packed up and headed for the 
Glacier Lodge in Big Pine. Half the crew slept in their vehicles, no tents 
put up because they would blow over (tried). I had the best spot, under a 
rock overhang where the wind was only 5-10 mph. Chance of snow and rain 
between 0400 and 1000 on 5/21. 

Mike "back in windy SLO CA" Godwin

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 7:20:03 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - belt 
> and braces as we say back home!
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
>> protector
>>  
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
>>  
>> .
>>  
>>   The white you see is just the backing. 
>>   
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
>>> Have fun.
>>>
>>> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden only 
>>> 3 bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew?  This 
>>> is something I never thought about but now I am. 
>>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>>> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have 
>>> been selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine and 
 it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I have a 
 clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I think 
 would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape and 
 did that on a prior bike.

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. 
> Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful 
>> work, don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special 
>> details that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy 
>> Peacock Platy. 
>>
>> This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly 
>> wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta 
>> and 
>> I have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
>> without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of 
>> footage 
>> this weekend, lol!
>>
>> It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more 
>> endearing watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your 
>> travails. Like Pam Murray!
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  
>>
>> The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle 
>> cover.  Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE 
>> (with my original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  
>> She 
>> "gets" me. 
>>
>> Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
>> white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have 
>> two 
>> colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
>> rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
>> Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> - Platyphernalia -
>>>
>>> Someone at RBW right now: 
>>>
>>> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
>>> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Platyphernalia.


 On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  
 wrote:

 Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
 wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 

 And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been 
 acutely aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had 
 been 
 idly considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, 
 when 
 you got one and seemingly moments later it was out 

[RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Tim Rogers]

My advice is to get her involved in the choice to see what feels best to 
her in her hands. Find a local camera store that handles used equipment and 
let her try a few on for size. Some cameras will fit her hands better, or 
feel lighter or heavier. Some have awkward ergonomics, quirky controls, or 
low quality viewfinders. Like bikes, cameras that “fit” will be used more. 
I’d also advise starting her with a fixed focal length lens in the 35-50mm 
range. That will encourage her to “zoom with her feet” by moving around to 
capture better images. If she gets hooked, you can worry about brand, 
quality, etc. in her next camera. And believe me, there will be many, many 
others.
On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 1:11:29 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My daughter has come to like film photography during her first
> attempts using a high quality borrowed manual SLR.
>
> I'd like to get her an SLR, preferably manual, preferably with a
> flash, of decent quality but not too expensive; and I have no idea
> what "expensive" means here.
>
> She would also be happy with a point and shoot, but I think that if
> affordable that a minimally decent manual with flash would be more
> satisfying.
>
> I know many of you are photographers; what would you recommend, and
> why? Manual or automatic?
>
> I might be in the market for a decent used camera for her 20th birthday.
>
> My posted photographs are really bad, I know that, and this despite
> some care. She might be able to help me learn how to take better ones.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>

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Re: [RBW] Things You Might Like

[Matt Beecher]

Garmin and Varia sensor.  It was expensive, but nice having that 
notification on cars coming up behind me quickly.  For those not familiar, 
the Varia sensor is basically a sensor that detects cars approaching from 
behind.  It displays them on the Garmin as dots approaching the top of the 
screen.  It also beeps when they approach, and beeps more quickly when 
someone is approaching particularly quickly.  

I'm also surprised by how much attention I pay to the calorie function on 
the Garmin.  I've taken to counting my rides in calories, vs miles.  I 
barely use the map function.  

Best regards,
Matt Beecher
Oswego, IL

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 7:36:38 PM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> +1 on the Quad Lock!  Amazingly reliable means to secure a smartphone.
>
> Here are a couple:
>
> - Rok Straps.  IMHO should be considered standard equipment if 
> bikepacking/cyclo-touring/grocery-getting/commuting.  More than once we 
> carried back to our campsite a stack of firewood on a Tubus rack.  
>
> - Voile Straps.  Combined with manythings/anything cages will secure large 
> objects to a bike.  Relied on one to secure an MSR water purifier for an 
> off-road adventure (GDMBR).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, cA
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 4:58:26 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Things I like and must have on my custom: 
>>
>> 1. Quad Lock phone mount. This is the motorcycle version for bars (cuz I 
>> have lots of room), they make a stem mount for bikes, too. It's expensive 
>> and worth every penny, I probably spent more on cheap ones that vibrated 
>> and drove me crazy and I tossed em. 
>>
>> 2. Road Runner Burrito Supreme bar bag: holds my keys, wallet, reading 
>> glasses (for said phone), tools and whatnot. And holds its shape empty, I 
>> love it. 
>>
>> 3. My trusty German mirror. Which probably has a real name but Grant 
>> calls it a German mirror and that's what it is to me. And I'm just noticing 
>> that this one is cracked, I need a new German mirror! 
>>
>> 4. I'm afraid none of these things are darling cuz I'm a big tough manly 
>> man (藍), but I'm thinking my cracked German mirror could use a darling 
>> Platypus sticker. Then my droptoptube custom can be an honorary Platy!  * 
>>
>> * Joe goes looking on the Etsy places for stickers
>>
>> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 12:55:37 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> 3rd time’s the charm on these photos…sorry!
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 12:29 PM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I can’t ride happily without one of my handlebar water bottle bags. I 
>>> have fun ones from Cycle Cats, Oveja Negra, and Greg Newland. Here is my 
>>> Atlantis with my Oveja Negra bag, which holds a 32oz Hydroflask with room 
>>> to spare. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 12:04, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> <61EFBF0A-CF73-46E8-A772-9945FE80A017.jpeg>
>>> <0DDE862C-5234-4CFD-A788-FFA8CDD1DBDD.jpeg>
>>> This will be a delightful and useful thread. What things do you have on 
>>> your bike that you find dead useful? Bonus points if it is also darling.
>>>
>>> I’ll go first. 
>>>
>>> I have done away with bottle cages in favor of Randi Jo Bartender Plus 
>>> bags. I like to carry a Hydroflask and her bags take both 32 and 40 oz 
>>> bottles. I recently got a new Hydroflask with a straw lid and now I can sip 
>>> water right out of the bottle without pulling it out of the bag. Bonus 
>>> points: the vinyl Platypus sticker.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Quad Lock Phone Mount

[David Person]

Thanks Joe, I did see your post earlier.  Not sure there is enough straight 
section of bar on the Albatross to mount the Out-Front.  Clamp section is 
12mm wide and I'm not sure there is a straight 12mm wide section within 3 
or four inches of the stem.

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Check the Things You Might Like thread for my Quad Lock mounted to a Tosco 
> with the direct (not out-front) mounting. Not exactly what you're looking 
> for, but I can vouch for how stable and awesome the product is. The 
> Out-Front looks like a great solution for getting the phone in front/over 
> the stem. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:33:40 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone using a Quad Lock Out-Front phone mount on a pair of Albatross 
>> bars?   If you do and can post a picture, I would appreciate it.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Things You Might Like

[Jeffrey Arita]

+1 on the Quad Lock!  Amazingly reliable means to secure a smartphone.

Here are a couple:

- Rok Straps.  IMHO should be considered standard equipment if 
bikepacking/cyclo-touring/grocery-getting/commuting.  More than once we 
carried back to our campsite a stack of firewood on a Tubus rack.  

- Voile Straps.  Combined with manythings/anything cages will secure large 
objects to a bike.  Relied on one to secure an MSR water purifier for an 
off-road adventure (GDMBR).

Cheers,

Jeff
Claremont, cA

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 4:58:26 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Things I like and must have on my custom: 
>
> 1. Quad Lock phone mount. This is the motorcycle version for bars (cuz I 
> have lots of room), they make a stem mount for bikes, too. It's expensive 
> and worth every penny, I probably spent more on cheap ones that vibrated 
> and drove me crazy and I tossed em. 
>
> 2. Road Runner Burrito Supreme bar bag: holds my keys, wallet, reading 
> glasses (for said phone), tools and whatnot. And holds its shape empty, I 
> love it. 
>
> 3. My trusty German mirror. Which probably has a real name but Grant calls 
> it a German mirror and that's what it is to me. And I'm just noticing that 
> this one is cracked, I need a new German mirror! 
>
> 4. I'm afraid none of these things are darling cuz I'm a big tough manly 
> man (藍), but I'm thinking my cracked German mirror could use a darling 
> Platypus sticker. Then my droptoptube custom can be an honorary Platy!  * 
>
> * Joe goes looking on the Etsy places for stickers
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 12:55:37 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> 3rd time’s the charm on these photos…sorry!
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 28, 2021, at 12:29 PM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I can’t ride happily without one of my handlebar water bottle bags. I 
>> have fun ones from Cycle Cats, Oveja Negra, and Greg Newland. Here is my 
>> Atlantis with my Oveja Negra bag, which holds a 32oz Hydroflask with room 
>> to spare. 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On May 28, 2021, at 12:04, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> <61EFBF0A-CF73-46E8-A772-9945FE80A017.jpeg>
>> <0DDE862C-5234-4CFD-A788-FFA8CDD1DBDD.jpeg>
>> This will be a delightful and useful thread. What things do you have on 
>> your bike that you find dead useful? Bonus points if it is also darling.
>>
>> I’ll go first. 
>>
>> I have done away with bottle cages in favor of Randi Jo Bartender Plus 
>> bags. I like to carry a Hydroflask and her bags take both 32 and 40 oz 
>> bottles. I recently got a new Hydroflask with a straw lid and now I can sip 
>> water right out of the bottle without pulling it out of the bag. Bonus 
>> points: the vinyl Platypus sticker.
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front derailers that won't friction shift

[R Shannon]

Hey Garth,

You’re absolutely right. Checked mine a little bit ago and it is the 2400. I 
think it’s two or three years old.

Looked at the current design and it is distinctly different.

Thanks very much!

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Claris you have Rich is the 2400, yes ? That's a "normal arm", while the 
> long arm wonky pull version is the 2000. At least they're easy to spot 
> visually. 
> 
> 
> Microshit makes a nice looking 9-speed normal short cage FD, it's in their 
> catalog, the R52S.  I'm sure Grant @ Riv knows about it as it was pictured in 
> one the email/blugs last year. Only he knows why they don't offer it , maybe 
> they can't get them as I've found but few traces of it being sold. 
> 
> https://www.microshift.com/models/fd-r52s/
> 
>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 11:33:18 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> That was a good post; great timing when there has been much discussion as of 
>> late concerning front derailer design. 
>> Thank you to Andy for his highly informative analysis!
>> 
>> Couple things in Will's post that stood out for me:
>> 
>> 1. Will said he wasn't happy with the way a Claris front derailer friction 
>> shifted. I've used the Claris in double and triple configurations, friction 
>> shifted (bar ends), 8 speed 
>> without any problems. Maybe I missing out on something by not using a 
>> different der? I have a Suntour ARX on the way so. . .
>> 
>> 2. Wonder what the forthcoming "good" friction shifting derailers will be?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 12:48:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Here's a weird thing I didn't know about. Will wrote this up in an email 
>>> newsletter, I have just the one screenshot and don't even know if it's ok 
>>> to quote the whole thing. But basically these "long arm" Shimano FDs are 
>>> designed for brifters and don't work well with friction. That's really 
>>> weird! 
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: Quad Lock Phone Mount

[Joe Bernard]

Check the Things You Might Like thread for my Quad Lock mounted to a Tosco 
with the direct (not out-front) mounting. Not exactly what you're looking 
for, but I can vouch for how stable and awesome the product is. The 
Out-Front looks like a great solution for getting the phone in front/over 
the stem. 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:33:40 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone using a Quad Lock Out-Front phone mount on a pair of Albatross 
> bars?   If you do and can post a picture, I would appreciate it.

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Acorn bags, Rene Herse tires, XT, Dura-Ace, etc.

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mark

I am interested in the 3 Biopace rings.  PM via Google Groups does not 
wrok.  e-mail me at 
John dot Hawrylak at verizon dot net

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 



On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 12:59:28 PM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hey everyone, the For Sale/For Trade list has been updated and everything 
> that is no longer available has been removed. Have a wonderful weekend!
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> Pictures are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing
>
>
> *BAGS*
> Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below 
> - *$100*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860
>
> Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above 
> - *$45*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164
>
> North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
> removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack
>
> *BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
> Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*
>
> Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*
>
> Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*
>
> *CRANKS*
> Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
> 52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
> original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
> Shimano dustcaps - *$150*
>
> *DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
> Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
> this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*
>
> Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*
>
> Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*
>
> Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all 
> three*
>
> Surly Singleator single speed tensioner- *$25*
>
> DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$15*
>
> *SHIFTERS*
> SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*
>
> *TIRES*
> Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires, ultralight casing. 26" x 2.3 (<500 
> miles) - *$105*
>
>
>
> *Items I'm interested in for trade:*
>
>- *Compact double 46/30 crankset w/ 175mm arms (IRD Defiant, VO Grand 
>Cru, SunXCD, etc.)*
>- *Soma Cazaderos 650b x 42*
>
>
>- *27.2 seatpost with long setback (Nitto S84 or similar)*
>- *Long drop front brake cable hanger for 1" headset (Paul Funky 
>Monkey or similar)*
>
>
> Thanks for looking y'all, have a great day and enjoy the ride!
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:47:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:
>
>>
>> Howdy friends,
>>
>> I've got a bunch of components and gear for sale that I listed over on 
>> iBOB, but thought people here might also be interested in some of this 
>> stuff. Prices listed are net to me and do not include shipping, but the 
>> more you buy, the more I can combine shipping and make you a better deal. 
>> Payment can be made through PayPal. I also have a few items listed at the 
>> bottom of this email that I'd be interested in for trade. 
>>
>> Pictures are here: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> *BAGS*
>> Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below 
>> - *$100*  
>> https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860
>>
>> Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above 
>> - *$45*  
>> https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164
>>
>> Sackville Banana Sax in royal blue - *$90 * 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-banana-sax
>>
>> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall in royal blue - *$60  *
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130?variant=23334213953
>>
>> North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit 
>> and removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
>> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack
>>
>>
>> *BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
>> Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*
>>
>> Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*
>>
>> Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*
>>
>>
>> *CRANKS*
>> Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
>> 52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
>> original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
>> Shimano dustcaps - *$150*
>>
>>
>> *DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
>> Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully 
>> used this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*
>>
>> Shimano Titlist front double derailleur, 26.8 clamp - *$20*
>>
>> Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*
>>
>> Shimano XT 

[RBW] Quad Lock Phone Mount

[David Person]

Anyone using a Quad Lock Out-Front phone mount on a pair of Albatross 
bars?   If you do and can post a picture, I would appreciate it.

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[RBW] Re: Front derailers that won't friction shift

[Garth]

The Claris you have Rich is the 2400, yes ? That's a "normal arm", while 
the long arm wonky pull version is the 2000. At least they're easy to spot 
visually. 


Microshit makes a nice looking 9-speed normal short cage FD, it's in their 
catalog, the R52S.  I'm sure Grant @ Riv knows about it as it was pictured 
in one the email/blugs last year. Only he knows why they don't offer it , 
maybe they can't get them as I've found but few traces of it being sold. 

https://www.microshift.com/models/fd-r52s/

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 11:33:18 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> That was a good post; great timing when there has been much discussion as 
> of late concerning front derailer design. 
> Thank you to Andy for his highly informative analysis!
>
> Couple things in Will's post that stood out for me:
>
> 1. Will said he wasn't happy with the way a Claris front derailer friction 
> shifted. I've used the Claris in double and triple configurations, friction 
> shifted (bar ends), 8 speed 
> without any problems. Maybe I missing out on something by not using a 
> different der? I have a Suntour ARX on the way so. . .
>
> 2. Wonder what the forthcoming "good" friction shifting derailers will be?
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 12:48:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Here's a weird thing I didn't know about. Will wrote this up in an email 
>> newsletter, I have just the one screenshot and don't even know if it's ok 
>> to quote the whole thing. But basically these "long arm" Shimano FDs are 
>> designed for brifters and don't work well with friction. That's really 
>> weird! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for sharing your awesome pics of your ride.  My husband and I had 
planned on this ride last year but the world shut down.  Now it's not going 
to happen for me for a bit.  We had a car free trip planned from Trenton, 
NJ where we were going to take NJ transit to Philly with our bikes and then 
Amtrak from 30th street station out to Pittsburgh with our bikes to the 
start.  Bike and camp all the way to DC and then take the train back to 
Philly and on home to Trenton.  No car.  We will make it happen 
eventually.  Maybe with my new Platypus!!!
Kate-Trenton, NJ

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 9:58:13 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's great advice Paul. Still finalizing all the details of our trip and 
> we were going to take the MARC out to Harpers Ferry and camp and bike home 
> one of these Fridays as a test run for mileage. 
>
> Pat
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 3:56:37 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Pat in DC, You are very likely younger than I am, (closing in on 75 
>> years,) but my travel companion for this trip is also younger by a decade 
>> and a much stronger rider than I. We both were glad we settled on 50 miles 
>> a day and tried our best to schedule the camps accordingly. After more than 
>> a decade of doing rail trail multi-day trips, three things I have found 
>> feels proper for me: 
>> 1. A 5-minute break every 10 miles or so. Mainly to relive the butt and 
>> resupply the tank with a small snack. (I rarely stop for a "real" lunch 
>> unless it is some kind of coffee shop stop.)
>> 2. 50 miles a day, riding loaded seems to prevent being too weary and 
>> making the trip a chore. A little time in camp, even if just a relaxed meal 
>> preparation is nice too. 
>> 3. No matter how fast I can ride if I have too, like making up lost time, 
>> beating an incoming storm, etc., It's hard and unpleasant for me to sustain 
>> 12 - 14 mph all day. I seem to always fall back to 10 mph, unless riding 
>> surfaces, etc. are perfectly smooth and level. 
>> However, your schedule is your schedule and if it is inflexible, you may 
>> not have a choice. Depending on your exact start and finish locations, the 
>> GAPCO is pretty close to 350 miles (50 miles x 7 days). 
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:55:21 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Woops yeah 5 days. I figure 65 or so miles a day is a good 6-7 hours of 
>>> riding. Seems like it would leave some time to explore. I'm also not sure 
>>> how capable my friend and I are of doing that sort of mileage but time will 
>>> tell.
>>>
>>> Pat in DC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:38:52 PM UTC-4 marshmonster wrote:
>>>
 Pat, you mean 5 days? It's doable but you won't have much time to stop 
 and check out some of the small towns, take a dip in the Potomac, ride 
 around Antietem, etc. C was my first bikepacking trip. My only regret is 
 not giving it more time, I kind of plowed through it in 3 days.

 On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:04:11 AM UTC-5 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nice pics Paul thanks for sharing. A friend and I are doing the DC to 
> Pitt direction later this year. I've only ever done overnight bike 
> camping 
> trips and he's never even done that. Hoping to do it in 50 days. We live 
> in 
> DC.
>
> Originally had this planned for end of August, but life got in the way 
> so now we are shooting for mid October. Gonna need some extra layers for 
> sure. Do you know when everything starts to shut down for the season?
>
> Pat in DC
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I  really enjoy seeing all the variations of folks' trips and 
>> iterations of outfitting on this route. I'm fortunate to be a twenty 
>> minute 
>> bike ride from the Pittsburgh end and frequent the GAP portions and 
>> points 
>> along that way that are fun detours and sightseeing.
>>
>>  I started riding on the GAP with my Rambouillet which doesn't have a 
>> load capacity for self supported travel but as a result I've refined my 
>> options for refreshments, meals and accommodations. My favorites are two 
>> day rides from home, either out to Ohiopyle for the night and back or to 
>> Cumberland with a overnighting in Ohiopyle and Amtrak home from 
>> Cumberland 
>> at 7pm. It is the use I patterned my custom bike to support. 
>>
>> Last year I rode several centuries out and back on the GAP to take 
>> advantage of the crowd thinning weather, my familiar trailside resources 
>> and the relatively level grades. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 12:12:57 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> While I have done unsupported multi-day trip from Pittsburgh to DC 
>>> (GAPCO) a number of times, this time I accompanied friend, Dan on his 
>>> 7-day 
>>> trip from 

[RBW] Re: Front derailers that won't friction shift

[Matthew P]

Neat. 

But Benz,
  
How does the stop help? By the time the lever reaches the position, either 
it has pulled enough cable for the desired shift or not. Just because I 
stop it doesn't mean I've achieved my shift. I write this being well sure 
you are right and I am missing something.

180 degrees shouldn't affect the home position, right, because where the 
lever centers is separate from how much throw it needs to shift through the 
whole casette, or no? Ah, but the stop you linked to sets the home position?
But/also if you are saying 120 degrees is what you find comfortable, then I 
get that. Although I am confused as to why it is desirable to shift both 
downtube levers with the same hand. Ah, I get it; its because I'm holding 
my burrito in my other hand :-D

The 120 degrees calls to mind a hack from someone on this list to and a 
strip of brass on the shifter, thereby increasing its diameter and cable 
pull (pull ratio = linear cable moved per degrees moved of the lever, no?). 
I think I prefer more throw/degrees, bc it means wider degree ranges for 
each cog/shift/sweetspot. But the idea is a good one. If the "spool" the 
cable wraps onto could be adjustable or swappable, and there were no stops 
or adjustable stops, then we could set our desired pull/-ratio and total 
degree throw, no? Forget about indexing though I assume. 

Anyways, I'm complicating things. But nice to discuss and understand and 
fiddle.

Thanks
-Matthew
San Diego


On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 10:07:24 AM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 8:33:18 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> Couple things in Will's post that stood out for me:
>>
>> 1. Will said he wasn't happy with the way a Claris front derailer 
>> friction shifted. I've used the Claris in double and triple configurations, 
>> friction shifted (bar ends), 8 speed without any problems. Maybe I missing 
>> out on something by not using a different der? I have a Suntour ARX on the 
>> way so. . .
>>
>
> Do you have the same version? Shimano reuses the same model name to 
> differentiate their lineup, even if the actual derailleurs themselves have 
> changed quite a bit throughout the years. For example, the 8-speed XTR from 
> the 90s is a completely different beast than the Di2 XTR of today.
>
> From visually examining the Claris called out in Will's email, it appears 
> the incompatibility is due to cable pull. A longer arm will require more 
> cable to move the cage the same distance, all things being equal. This 
> won't matter at all for dedicated shifters (regardless of whether they're 
> indexed), but friction shifters are generally designed for compatibility 
> with older derailleurs, meaning they won't pull as much total cable as is 
> required for the most current derailleurs.
>
> Examples of these are the 11 and 12-speed derailleurs, or SRAM's 1:1 
> actuation ratio derailleurs. Traditional friction shifters either can't 
> pull enough, or pull barely enough cable to run the modern rear 
> derailleurs. The same logic applies to front derailleurs with longer cable 
> pull requirements.
>
>  
>
>> 2. Wonder what the forthcoming "good" friction shifting derailers will be?
>>
>
> For me, ironically, good friction derailleurs will need to be matched to 
> the cable pull capacity of the friction shifter. Yes, I understand the 
> match doesn't need to be exact, like for indexed shifting; but one still 
> needs to get the match close for best effect. For the rear, that means a 
> 120° swing of the (downtube) friction shift lever should result in a 41mm 
> lateral displacement of the guide pulley on the rear derailleur (41mm is 
> about the width of a 11-speed cassette). For the front, the same 120° swing 
> of the shift lever should result in about a 16mm lateral displacement of 
> the front derailleur cage, to accommodate a typical triple crank.
>
> Why limit the effective swing of the friction shifter to 120°, and not, 
> let's say 150° or even 180°? Read on.
>
> I want to put in a plug for optionally setting the travel stop of downtube 
> shifters about 30° from parallel with the downtube. In other words, I'll 
> like the shifter's "home position" to be just slightly raised from being 
> parallel with the downtube. Using this design for the left shifter will 
> enable easy actuation of both levers with just the right hand for 
> right-handed cyclists, and using this design for the right shifter will do 
> the same for left-handed cyclists. To enable such a design means ensuring 
> the shifter pulls enough cable within a narrow angle of travel, so the 
> proposed 120°.
>
> Interestingly, I haven't tried this yet, but it appears that getting a 
> second set of downtube stop washer 
> 
>  
> from Rivbike and using the "opposite" one will allow this 30° offset, so we 
> may not even need any extra SKUs.
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[RBW] Re: Front derailers that won't friction shift

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On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 8:33:18 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Couple things in Will's post that stood out for me:
>
> 1. Will said he wasn't happy with the way a Claris front derailer friction 
> shifted. I've used the Claris in double and triple configurations, friction 
> shifted (bar ends), 8 speed without any problems. Maybe I missing out on 
> something by not using a different der? I have a Suntour ARX on the way so. 
> . .
>

Do you have the same version? Shimano reuses the same model name to 
differentiate their lineup, even if the actual derailleurs themselves have 
changed quite a bit throughout the years. For example, the 8-speed XTR from 
the 90s is a completely different beast than the Di2 XTR of today.

>From visually examining the Claris called out in Will's email, it appears 
the incompatibility is due to cable pull. A longer arm will require more 
cable to move the cage the same distance, all things being equal. This 
won't matter at all for dedicated shifters (regardless of whether they're 
indexed), but friction shifters are generally designed for compatibility 
with older derailleurs, meaning they won't pull as much total cable as is 
required for the most current derailleurs.

Examples of these are the 11 and 12-speed derailleurs, or SRAM's 1:1 
actuation ratio derailleurs. Traditional friction shifters either can't 
pull enough, or pull barely enough cable to run the modern rear 
derailleurs. The same logic applies to front derailleurs with longer cable 
pull requirements.

 

> 2. Wonder what the forthcoming "good" friction shifting derailers will be?
>

For me, ironically, good friction derailleurs will need to be matched to 
the cable pull capacity of the friction shifter. Yes, I understand the 
match doesn't need to be exact, like for indexed shifting; but one still 
needs to get the match close for best effect. For the rear, that means a 
120° swing of the (downtube) friction shift lever should result in a 41mm 
lateral displacement of the guide pulley on the rear derailleur (41mm is 
about the width of a 11-speed cassette). For the front, the same 120° swing 
of the shift lever should result in about a 16mm lateral displacement of 
the front derailleur cage, to accommodate a typical triple crank.

Why limit the effective swing of the friction shifter to 120°, and not, 
let's say 150° or even 180°? Read on.

I want to put in a plug for optionally setting the travel stop of downtube 
shifters about 30° from parallel with the downtube. In other words, I'll 
like the shifter's "home position" to be just slightly raised from being 
parallel with the downtube. Using this design for the left shifter will 
enable easy actuation of both levers with just the right hand for 
right-handed cyclists, and using this design for the right shifter will do 
the same for left-handed cyclists. To enable such a design means ensuring 
the shifter pulls enough cable within a narrow angle of travel, so the 
proposed 120°.

Interestingly, I haven't tried this yet, but it appears that getting a 
second set of downtube stop washer 

 
from Rivbike and using the "opposite" one will allow this 30° offset, so we 
may not even need any extra SKUs.

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Acorn bags, Rene Herse tires, XT, Dura-Ace, etc.

[esoterica etc]

Hey everyone, the For Sale/For Trade list has been updated and everything 
that is no longer available has been removed. Have a wonderful weekend!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


Pictures are here: 
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*BAGS*
Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below - 
*$100*  
https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860

Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above - 
*$45*  
https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164

North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack

*BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*

Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*

Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*

*CRANKS*
Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
Shimano dustcaps - *$150*

*DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*

Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*

Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*

Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all three*

Surly Singleator single speed tensioner- *$25*

DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$15*

*SHIFTERS*
SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*

*TIRES*
Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires, ultralight casing. 26" x 2.3 (<500 
miles) - *$105*



*Items I'm interested in for trade:*

   - *Compact double 46/30 crankset w/ 175mm arms (IRD Defiant, VO Grand 
   Cru, SunXCD, etc.)*
   - *Soma Cazaderos 650b x 42*
   - *27.2 seatpost with long setback (Nitto S84 or similar)*
   - *Long drop front brake cable hanger for 1" headset (Paul Funky Monkey 
   or similar)*


Thanks for looking y'all, have a great day and enjoy the ride!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:47:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:

>
> Howdy friends,
>
> I've got a bunch of components and gear for sale that I listed over on 
> iBOB, but thought people here might also be interested in some of this 
> stuff. Prices listed are net to me and do not include shipping, but the 
> more you buy, the more I can combine shipping and make you a better deal. 
> Payment can be made through PayPal. I also have a few items listed at the 
> bottom of this email that I'd be interested in for trade. 
>
> Pictures are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing
>
>
> *BAGS*
> Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below 
> - *$100*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860
>
> Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above 
> - *$45*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164
>
> Sackville Banana Sax in royal blue - *$90 * 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-banana-sax
>
> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall in royal blue - *$60  *
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130?variant=23334213953
>
> North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
> removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack
>
>
> *BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
> Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*
>
> Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*
>
> Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*
>
>
> *CRANKS*
> Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
> 52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
> original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
> Shimano dustcaps - *$150*
>
>
> *DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
> Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
> this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*
>
> Shimano Titlist front double derailleur, 26.8 clamp - *$20*
>
> Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*
>
> Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*
>
> Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all 
> three*
>
> Surly Singleator single speed tensioner - *$25*
>
> DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$15*
>
>
> *SHIFTERS*
> SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*
>
>
> *TIRES*
> Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires, ultralight casing. 26" x 2.3 (<500 
> miles) - *$105*
>
> Compass/Rene Herse 

[RBW] Re: Front derailers that won't friction shift

[RichS]

Hi Joe,

That was a good post; great timing when there has been much discussion as 
of late concerning front derailer design. 
Thank you to Andy for his highly informative analysis!

Couple things in Will's post that stood out for me:

1. Will said he wasn't happy with the way a Claris front derailer friction 
shifted. I've used the Claris in double and triple configurations, friction 
shifted (bar ends), 8 speed 
without any problems. Maybe I missing out on something by not using a 
different der? I have a Suntour ARX on the way so. . .

2. Wonder what the forthcoming "good" friction shifting derailers will be?

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 12:48:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's a weird thing I didn't know about. Will wrote this up in an email 
> newsletter, I have just the one screenshot and don't even know if it's ok 
> to quote the whole thing. But basically these "long arm" Shimano FDs are 
> designed for brifters and don't work well with friction. That's really 
> weird! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Sackville, Acorn bags,

[RichS]

Hello Mark:

Just PMd you. Thanks very much.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:47:04 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Howdy friends,
>
> I've got a bunch of components and gear for sale that I listed over on 
> iBOB, but thought people here might also be interested in some of this 
> stuff. Prices listed are net to me and do not include shipping, but the 
> more you buy, the more I can combine shipping and make you a better deal. 
> Payment can be made through PayPal. I also have a few items listed at the 
> bottom of this email that I'd be interested in for trade. 
>
> Pictures are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing
>
>
> *BAGS*
> Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below 
> - *$100*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860
>
> Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above 
> - *$45*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164
>
> Sackville Banana Sax in royal blue - *$90 * 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-banana-sax
>
> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall in royal blue - *$60  *
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130?variant=23334213953
>
> North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
> removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack
>
>
> *BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
> Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*
>
> Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*
>
> Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*
>
>
> *CRANKS*
> Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
> 52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
> original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
> Shimano dustcaps - *$150*
>
>
> *DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
> Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
> this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*
>
> Shimano Titlist front double derailleur, 26.8 clamp - *$20*
>
> Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*
>
> Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*
>
> Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all 
> three*
>
> Surly Singleator single speed tensioner - *$25*
>
> DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$15*
>
>
> *SHIFTERS*
> SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*
>
>
> *TIRES*
> Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires, ultralight casing. 26" x 2.3 (<500 
> miles) - *$105*
>
> Compass/Rene Herse Steilacoom knobby tires, standard casing. 700c x 38 - 
> *$50*
>
>
>
> *Items I'm interested in for trade:*
>
>- *Compact double 46/30 crankset w/ 175mm arms (IRD Defiant, VO Grand 
>Cru, SunXCD, etc.)*
>- *Soma Cazaderos 650b x 42*
>- *Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass 650b x 42 Extralight tires*
>- *Shimano CX70, IRD Sub-C or similar front derailleur (26.8 clamp, 
>bottom pull)*
>- *27.2 seatpost with long setback (Nitto S84 or similar)*
>- *Long drop front brake cable hanger for 1" headset (Paul Funky 
>Monkey or similar)*
>
>
> Thanks for looking y'all, have a great day and enjoy the ride!
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Cheviot - silver, 60cm - $1,750 local pick up in Napa

[Pancake]

Sold to a very pleasant fellow not far from Rivendell, he'll be shipping it 
off to a friend. Riv's for everyone!

On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 11:24:14 UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

>
> sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/napa-rivendell-cheviot-silver-60cm-rack/7322509966.html
>
> My friend and I were building this up for a friend but they already got 
> themselves another bike! So now I'm selling it - built it up myself and 
> looking forward to a local sale if possible. I'm in Napa but I visit 
> friends in Berkeley, Sonoma and sometimes San Jose so could probably meet 
> anywhere in between. I can install the fenders if you like, but figured to 
> leave them as clean as possible until they meet their final racks and tires 
> and such. If you want some parts swapped around or to see if I have some 
> alternative parts just let me know and I'll look around. 
> Abe in Napa
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - belt 
and braces as we say back home!

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
> protector
>  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
>  
> .
>  
>   The white you see is just the backing. 
>   
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden only 3 
>> bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew?  This is 
>> something I never thought about but now I am. 
>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have been 
>> selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine and 
>>> it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I have a 
>>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I think 
>>> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape and 
>>> did that on a prior bike.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. 
 Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
> don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
> that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
> Platy. 
>
> This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly 
> wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta 
> and 
> I have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
> without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of 
> footage 
> this weekend, lol!
>
> It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more 
> endearing watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your 
> travails. Like Pam Murray!
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  
>
> The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle 
> cover.  Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE 
> (with my original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She 
> "gets" me. 
>
> Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
> white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have two 
> colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
> rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
> Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> - Platyphernalia -
>>
>> Someone at RBW right now: 
>>
>> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
>> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Platyphernalia.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
>>> wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 
>>>
>>> And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been 
>>> acutely aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had 
>>> been 
>>> idly considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, 
>>> when 
>>> you got one and seemingly moments later it was out of stock.  Maybe 
>>> there 
>>> was only two or three left at that time!  Maybe it's Leah-hype! 
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys are funny. It’s probably a coincidence. 

 But it is fun to discuss Things I’m Loving Right Now, and right 
 now…it’s PlatyPins! Best showcased on bike bags. #RivSisters, be 
 checking 
 your mailboxes this week!

>>> 

>>>

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 24, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 - Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, 
 now with a backlog 

[RBW] Re: Rebuild kit for VP VIce pedals?

[Roberta]

I pulled original pedals off my 2016 Joe Appaloosa and think it might be 
same model. I can post picture next week. One makes clicking sound, the 
other is fine. If you or anyone wants them for cost of shipping, send me 
PM. Michael has first right of refusal. Roberta 

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:56:49 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a pair of VP Vice pedals on my Rivendell that click once a 
> rotation. I've tried to ignore it, but like most problems that one ignores, 
> it doesn't go away. I looked for a rebuild kit, and it was out of stock at 
> VP Components. Had it been in stock, it would have had a price tag of $24. 
> For $32, I bought a new pair of pedals on eBay. 
>
> Is anyone holding a rebuild kit for these pedals? Or, do you know what 
> size bearings the bearings are and could I order new ones from 
> McMasterr-Carr? Or, has anyone put their pedals in an oil bath and revived 
> the pedals that way? Or, are there better pedals I should be using? I do 
> love the VP Vice pedals as they are much better than traditional 
> sandwich-shaped pedals. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Michael
>
>

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