Re: [RBW] rando, kiddo riding partners around Sacramento & northern California

[Addison Quarles]

Hey Clark, I’ll spare everyone the excitement of learning all the nuances 
of my brutal schedule and just email you directly, 
On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:55:38 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> Hi Addison,
>
> I ride the ARP nearly every day. Usually I get on at Watt Avenue and head 
> east. What are you doing Sunday morning?
>
> - Clark
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:44 PM Addison Quarles  
> wrote:
>
>> Clark! I am in Sacramento and am currently nursing a bum wrist, but it 
>> ought to be all healed up by the time I'm finished building my Appaloosa. 
>> Do you ride the ARP much? That's where most of my riding is done these 
>> days, as working sixty hour weeks doesn't leave much time for skipping 
>> town. I do endeavor to get out and camp at least a few times this summer, 
>> though.
>> If you're up for a jaunt down the Parkway sometime send me a message! 
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:42:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> More cute (and pretty landscape) photos; thank you. Your daughter looks 
>>> to be about the age of mine when I rode her around the area bike paths 
>>> pulling a doublewide child trailer with an old Raleigh Technium Sports 
>>> Tourer fixed gear. Good times.
>>>
>>> She won't let me do that any more, as she will be 20 next week.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 6:12 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, here are some more photos.

 Stopping at a cafe with the kids for breakfast.
 [image: cafe_with_kids.png]

 Northeastern Sierra Nevada mountains
 [image: sierras.png]

 Riding through a little unseasonal snow (alone- NOT with the kids!)
 [image: snow_clark.png]

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm not in your area, but if I were I'd certainly want to give the 
> rando rides a try. I'd have to work up to 5 hours -- well, I've done a 
> few 
> ~35-40 mile fixed gear rides on pavement in the last couple of years -- 
> let 
> along 20, but 7-11 mph sounds right.
>
> The photos are charming; please post more!
>
> Patrick Moore, just back from a very nice out 'n back on the paved Rio 
> Grande bike path.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:52 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm looking for people to ride with inside a 2 hour driving radius of 
>> Sacramento, CA. I'm specifically interested in two niche kinds of riding 
>> that others here may also enjoy. (Scroll down for pictures)
>>
>> 1. 5 - 20 hour randonneur style rides on low traffic backroads, 
>> gravel, or forest service roads. I ride a Rivendell Atlantis and usually 
>> average a moderate 7-11 mph pace on dirt depending on conditions. 
>> Sometimes 
>> I camp. I also have a Co-motion Periscope tandem with 42mm tires and a 
>> dynamo headlight. It has a 59 cm top tube, and I can ride captain or 
>> stoker.
>>
>> 2. Bike camping with 2 and 5 year old children for 1 to 3 nights. My 
>> kids love to go camping with other kids. We have an electric cargo bike 
>> that seats three, and the tandem fits a rider as young as 5 years old.
>>
>> Please drop me a note if you're local and this kind of riding sounds 
>> fun to you! Before planning a big ride, I think it's prudent to first 
>> meet 
>> up and go for a 1-2 hour local ride, say on the American river bike 
>> trail.
>>
>> A little more about me- I'm a busy working Dad, and I've tried to 
>> squeeze in big rides where I can for the last 15 years or so. I'm in 
>> academia, so summers are a good time :) I moved to Sacramento last year, 
>> and COVID has prevented me from riding much with others. I'm vaccinated 
>> against COVID. If you're coming from the Bay Area, I may be able to 
>> drive 
>> from Amtrak Capital Corridor into the Sierras.
>>
>> Best,
>> Clark
>>  
>> lovely, endless dirt roads in the Eastern Sierras
>> [image: sierra_dirt.png]
>>
>> Family with the tandem a couple years ago
>> [image: tandem.png]
>>
>> Electric cargo bike kid camping
>> [image: cargo_bike.png]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50.4 crankset opinions: VeloOrange, SUNXCD, Grand Bois

[Patrick Moore]

Peter: Thanks for posting this; good to know that TA is still making 50.4
bcd rings. I have a minor stash of old Pro 5 Vis arms and, while I'd
eagerly trade one for a RH crank with rings of my liking, I do find them
almost perfect for my wants (well, would happily replace the hardware with
some from VO).

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 9:34 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Large selection of chainring sizes? *C'est très humoristique!*
>
> Specialites TA (still in business; still producing 50.4mm cyclotouriste
> chainrings in France, now in 7075 aluminum) make outers (attaches to
> crankarm) in all even increments from 40-52T, and inners (attaches to
> outers) from 26-42T.
>
> If you wade into the used market, outers up to 56T are common; outers up
> to 64 are findable. Plus, odd increments are out there; I have
> 45T/47T/49T/51T outers, and I'm about to put a 29T granny on a triple. They
> are of a softer alloy though, if that's important.
>
> The biggest advantage of 50.4 five-pin TA chainrings is that they'll fit
> on almost any cottered or cotterless five-pin crankset made in the last 80
> years (TA, Stronglight, Nervar, Sugino, SunXCD, Magistroni to name but a
> few), except the ever-quixotic 50mm Zeus Competition. RH chainrings fit on
> RH cranks, and nothing else.
>
> Peter Adler
> who really isn't looking for competition in the 50.4 search, but honest
> disclosure demands in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 4:19:22 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I went with the Rene Herse cranks when I built up my Sam due to the large
>> selection of chainring sized (I went with 44/28).  The Sun XCD cranks
>> weren't around at the time, though I do run a XCD rear derailleur.  The
>> 7075 chainrings (VO and RH) may be a harder alloy than the 6066 on the XCD.
>
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Re: [RBW] rando, kiddo riding partners around Sacramento & northern California

[Clark Fitzgerald]

Hi Addison,

I ride the ARP nearly every day. Usually I get on at Watt Avenue and head
east. What are you doing Sunday morning?

- Clark



On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:44 PM Addison Quarles 
wrote:

> Clark! I am in Sacramento and am currently nursing a bum wrist, but it
> ought to be all healed up by the time I'm finished building my Appaloosa.
> Do you ride the ARP much? That's where most of my riding is done these
> days, as working sixty hour weeks doesn't leave much time for skipping
> town. I do endeavor to get out and camp at least a few times this summer,
> though.
> If you're up for a jaunt down the Parkway sometime send me a message!
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:42:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> More cute (and pretty landscape) photos; thank you. Your daughter looks
>> to be about the age of mine when I rode her around the area bike paths
>> pulling a doublewide child trailer with an old Raleigh Technium Sports
>> Tourer fixed gear. Good times.
>>
>> She won't let me do that any more, as she will be 20 next week.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 6:12 PM Clark Fitzgerald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, here are some more photos.
>>>
>>> Stopping at a cafe with the kids for breakfast.
>>> [image: cafe_with_kids.png]
>>>
>>> Northeastern Sierra Nevada mountains
>>> [image: sierras.png]
>>>
>>> Riding through a little unseasonal snow (alone- NOT with the kids!)
>>> [image: snow_clark.png]
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not in your area, but if I were I'd certainly want to give the
 rando rides a try. I'd have to work up to 5 hours -- well, I've done a few
 ~35-40 mile fixed gear rides on pavement in the last couple of years -- let
 along 20, but 7-11 mph sounds right.

 The photos are charming; please post more!

 Patrick Moore, just back from a very nice out 'n back on the paved Rio
 Grande bike path.

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:52 PM Clark Fitzgerald 
 wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for people to ride with inside a 2 hour driving radius of
> Sacramento, CA. I'm specifically interested in two niche kinds of riding
> that others here may also enjoy. (Scroll down for pictures)
>
> 1. 5 - 20 hour randonneur style rides on low traffic backroads,
> gravel, or forest service roads. I ride a Rivendell Atlantis and usually
> average a moderate 7-11 mph pace on dirt depending on conditions. 
> Sometimes
> I camp. I also have a Co-motion Periscope tandem with 42mm tires and a
> dynamo headlight. It has a 59 cm top tube, and I can ride captain or 
> stoker.
>
> 2. Bike camping with 2 and 5 year old children for 1 to 3 nights. My
> kids love to go camping with other kids. We have an electric cargo bike
> that seats three, and the tandem fits a rider as young as 5 years old.
>
> Please drop me a note if you're local and this kind of riding sounds
> fun to you! Before planning a big ride, I think it's prudent to first meet
> up and go for a 1-2 hour local ride, say on the American river bike trail.
>
> A little more about me- I'm a busy working Dad, and I've tried to
> squeeze in big rides where I can for the last 15 years or so. I'm in
> academia, so summers are a good time :) I moved to Sacramento last year,
> and COVID has prevented me from riding much with others. I'm vaccinated
> against COVID. If you're coming from the Bay Area, I may be able to drive
> from Amtrak Capital Corridor into the Sierras.
>
> Best,
> Clark
>
> lovely, endless dirt roads in the Eastern Sierras
> [image: sierra_dirt.png]
>
> Family with the tandem a couple years ago
> [image: tandem.png]
>
> Electric cargo bike kid camping
> [image: cargo_bike.png]
>
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[RBW] Re: 50.4 crankset opinions: VeloOrange, SUNXCD, Grand Bois

[Peter Adler]

Forgot those links:

https://specialites-ta.com/pro-5-vis/196-693-pro-5-vis-plateau-specialites-ta-pro-5-vis-exterieur-80mm-8v-specialites-ta-pl50080302.html#/21,denture,40-dts

https://specialites-ta.com/pro-5-vis/197-707-pro-5-vis-plateau-specialites-ta-pro-5-vis-interieur-intermediaire-80mm-8v-specialites-ta-pl50080102.html#/9,denture,26-dts

I believe Velo Classique in Virginia is the US distributor for Specialites 
TA. Obviously, there are also UK/European retailers that ship to the US.

The one key drawback to 5-pin TA chainrings is that the rings aren't 
ramped/pinned; you're effectively capped at an 8-speed rear. But really, do 
you need more than 3x8 gears?

Peter Adler
specializing in beating dead horses in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:34:48 PM UTC-7 Peter Adler wrote:

> Large selection of chainring sizes? *C'est très humoristique!*
>
> Specialites TA (still in business; still producing 50.4mm cyclotouriste 
> chainrings in France, now in 7075 aluminum) make outers (attaches to 
> crankarm) in all even increments from 40-52T, and inners (attaches to 
> outers) from 26-42T.
>

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[RBW] Re: 50.4 crankset opinions: VeloOrange, SUNXCD, Grand Bois

[Peter Adler]

Large selection of chainring sizes? *C'est très humoristique!*

Specialites TA (still in business; still producing 50.4mm cyclotouriste 
chainrings in France, now in 7075 aluminum) make outers (attaches to 
crankarm) in all even increments from 40-52T, and inners (attaches to 
outers) from 26-42T.

If you wade into the used market, outers up to 56T are common; outers up to 
64 are findable. Plus, odd increments are out there; I have 45T/47T/49T/51T 
outers, and I'm about to put a 29T granny on a triple. They are of a softer 
alloy though, if that's important.

The biggest advantage of 50.4 five-pin TA chainrings is that they'll fit on 
almost any cottered or cotterless five-pin crankset made in the last 80 
years (TA, Stronglight, Nervar, Sugino, SunXCD, Magistroni to name but a 
few), except the ever-quixotic 50mm Zeus Competition. RH chainrings fit on 
RH cranks, and nothing else.

Peter Adler
who really isn't looking for competition in the 50.4 search, but honest 
disclosure demands in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 4:19:22 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> I went with the Rene Herse cranks when I built up my Sam due to the large 
> selection of chainring sized (I went with 44/28).  The Sun XCD cranks 
> weren't around at the time, though I do run a XCD rear derailleur.  The 
> 7075 chainrings (VO and RH) may be a harder alloy than the 6066 on the XCD.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

I'm so excited by this color! I saw it in person on Tuesday and can't stop 
staring at the photos I took (though I'm glad Crust posted some, because 
mine are kind of awful) 
I rode an employee's around Walnut Creek for 45 minutes or so and then rode 
Grant's around the parking lot; both bikes couldn't have felt more 
different, and the fact that they're (essentially) the same frame marked 
just the versatility I'm after. Looking forward to having a Riv of my very 
own! 
It's also really nice to hear that a chunk of their sales will be going to 
Pine Ridge. It sort of puts a finer point on "voting with your dollar" 
By the way Jason, your bike almost sent me into a Bombadil quest like no 
other, but have decided I want to experience this long chainstay madness. 

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 10:47:38 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I was a bit hasty there and neglected the other questions (well, the ones 
> I can answer anyway):  No change to the chainstay length nor the tire 
> clearance, just based on comparison of new and old geometry tables.  I'm 
> not sure on other changes; Grant said this batch has slightly longer 
> "bellies" to the butted tubes which make the frame a touch lighter and 
> livelier, but that's as compared to the last batch rather than the first 
> batch, so not necessarily relevant.  
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:42 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Keith, 
>>
>> The current 57 Appa has a 10mm longer top tube than the old 58 Appa did!  
>> Current 57 is a 625 effective TT, whereas the old 58 was 615.  Definitely 
>> sounds like good news for you! 
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:35 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have time to study nuances and geometries and subtle, running 
>>> design changes like I used to, but I still sort of regret not getting a 
>>> 58cm double-top-tuber from the first batch.  (When they were announced and 
>>> went on sale, I was precluded by the fact that I was still waiting on a 
>>> Clem from the first run, which ended up being almost - but not quite - 
>>> ideal for me, so I eventually got rid of it.)  
>>>
>>> Can anyone provide a clear, accurate summary of how the details of this 
>>> model have changed?  
>>>
>>> I know the seat tube sizes/designations are 1cm less, but did the top 
>>> tubes or effective front-centers stay the same, or get shorter or, better 
>>> yet, get LONGER?
>>>
>>> I know the fork blades got stiffer/thicker after the first run.  Any 
>>> other changes since.
>>>
>>> Has tire clearance improved?
>>>
>>> Have chainstays gotten longer or shorter, etc?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any geeky analysis or datapoints.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Now that the new Joe Appa's are hitting shelves (everywhere but at 
 Rivendell, as is becoming the norm!) I reckon it's time for a central 
 place 
 to chat about them, a la the Platy thread! 

 Crust has their inventory live for purchase at $1650:  

 https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/rivendell-joe-appaloosa

 I will be abstaining because there is no line of reason that could 
 possibly justify my buying one, but I look forward to living vicariously 
 through others! 

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Re: [RBW] rando, kiddo riding partners around Sacramento & northern California

[Addison Quarles]

Clark! I am in Sacramento and am currently nursing a bum wrist, but it 
ought to be all healed up by the time I'm finished building my Appaloosa. 
Do you ride the ARP much? That's where most of my riding is done these 
days, as working sixty hour weeks doesn't leave much time for skipping 
town. I do endeavor to get out and camp at least a few times this summer, 
though.
If you're up for a jaunt down the Parkway sometime send me a message! 

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:42:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> More cute (and pretty landscape) photos; thank you. Your daughter looks to 
> be about the age of mine when I rode her around the area bike paths pulling 
> a doublewide child trailer with an old Raleigh Technium Sports Tourer fixed 
> gear. Good times.
>
> She won't let me do that any more, as she will be 20 next week.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 6:12 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, here are some more photos.
>>
>> Stopping at a cafe with the kids for breakfast.
>> [image: cafe_with_kids.png]
>>
>> Northeastern Sierra Nevada mountains
>> [image: sierras.png]
>>
>> Riding through a little unseasonal snow (alone- NOT with the kids!)
>> [image: snow_clark.png]
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not in your area, but if I were I'd certainly want to give the rando 
>>> rides a try. I'd have to work up to 5 hours -- well, I've done a few ~35-40 
>>> mile fixed gear rides on pavement in the last couple of years -- let along 
>>> 20, but 7-11 mph sounds right.
>>>
>>> The photos are charming; please post more!
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, just back from a very nice out 'n back on the paved Rio 
>>> Grande bike path.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:52 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I'm looking for people to ride with inside a 2 hour driving radius of 
 Sacramento, CA. I'm specifically interested in two niche kinds of riding 
 that others here may also enjoy. (Scroll down for pictures)

 1. 5 - 20 hour randonneur style rides on low traffic backroads, gravel, 
 or forest service roads. I ride a Rivendell Atlantis and usually average a 
 moderate 7-11 mph pace on dirt depending on conditions. Sometimes I camp. 
 I 
 also have a Co-motion Periscope tandem with 42mm tires and a dynamo 
 headlight. It has a 59 cm top tube, and I can ride captain or stoker.

 2. Bike camping with 2 and 5 year old children for 1 to 3 nights. My 
 kids love to go camping with other kids. We have an electric cargo bike 
 that seats three, and the tandem fits a rider as young as 5 years old.

 Please drop me a note if you're local and this kind of riding sounds 
 fun to you! Before planning a big ride, I think it's prudent to first meet 
 up and go for a 1-2 hour local ride, say on the American river bike trail.

 A little more about me- I'm a busy working Dad, and I've tried to 
 squeeze in big rides where I can for the last 15 years or so. I'm in 
 academia, so summers are a good time :) I moved to Sacramento last year, 
 and COVID has prevented me from riding much with others. I'm vaccinated 
 against COVID. If you're coming from the Bay Area, I may be able to drive 
 from Amtrak Capital Corridor into the Sierras.

 Best,
 Clark
  
 lovely, endless dirt roads in the Eastern Sierras
 [image: sierra_dirt.png]

 Family with the tandem a couple years ago
 [image: tandem.png]

 Electric cargo bike kid camping
 [image: cargo_bike.png]

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[RBW] Re: 50.4 crankset opinions: VeloOrange, SUNXCD, Grand Bois

[David Person]

I went with the Rene Herse cranks when I built up my Sam due to the large 
selection of chainring sized (I went with 44/28).  The Sun XCD cranks 
weren't around at the time, though I do run a XCD rear derailleur.  The 
7075 chainrings (VO and RH) may be a harder alloy than the 6066 on the XCD.


On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> Looking at a fancy crankset to put on my Sam.
>
> What are folks opinions of these models that are currently available for 
> purchase?
>
> Velo Orange vs Grand Cru, vs SUNXCD vs Rene Herse Grand Bois
>
> If you could choose between these, which would you go with? Cost is 
> definitely a factor obviously but its also an investment and I am looking 
> for what works best without being overkill. Which is the best made and has 
> the best finish, whose rings perform best? Best bang for the buck?
>
> Bonus points: for the SUNXCD Clover leaf vs standard 6 arm TA rings
>

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[RBW] Re: 50.4 crankset opinions: VeloOrange, SUNXCD, Grand Bois

['Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

oops, its only 3x cranks not 4x like it suggests above. Should be:

Velo Orange Grand Cru, vs SUNXCD vs Rene Herse Grand Bois

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 Will Horton wrote:

>
> Looking at a fancy crankset to put on my Sam.
>
> What are folks opinions of these models that are currently available for 
> purchase?
>
> Velo Orange vs Grand Cru, vs SUNXCD vs Rene Herse Grand Bois
>
> If you could choose between these, which would you go with? Cost is 
> definitely a factor obviously but its also an investment and I am looking 
> for what works best without being overkill. Which is the best made and has 
> the best finish, whose rings perform best? Best bang for the buck?
>
> Bonus points: for the SUNXCD Clover leaf vs standard 6 arm TA rings
>

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[RBW] 50.4 crankset opinions: VeloOrange, SUNXCD, Grand Bois

['Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looking at a fancy crankset to put on my Sam.

What are folks opinions of these models that are currently available for 
purchase?

Velo Orange vs Grand Cru, vs SUNXCD vs Rene Herse Grand Bois

If you could choose between these, which would you go with? Cost is 
definitely a factor obviously but its also an investment and I am looking 
for what works best without being overkill. Which is the best made and has 
the best finish, whose rings perform best? Best bang for the buck?

Bonus points: for the SUNXCD Clover leaf vs standard 6 arm TA rings

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Riv Rosco Bubbe Mixte

[Steve Butcher]

Folks, Rosco has been sold.  Thanks for all the inquiries.  Steve.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-5 Steve Butcher wrote:

>
> Hello Forum:  Due to arthritic joints, I am offering for sale my sage 
> greeen 55cm. Rosco.Bubbe mixte.  I am an 84 pbh.I purchased the frame 
> new from Riv. about 4 1/2 years ago and had the bike built up by my local 
> bike shop.  I rode it as my commuter until I retired about 3 years ago.  
> never rashed.  The bike has always been garage kept, ridden a time or two 
> in a shower.  The frame was given a Frame Saver treatment before building 
> up.  The cockpit is a 110 cm technomic stem, about 27 cm wide Albatrosss 
> bars.  Shifters are Gran Compe bar end friction shifters.  grips are 
> Miesha's cork grips.  Brakes and levers are Tektro cantis.  Drivetrain is 
> Sugino triple crank with 170 mm cranks.  The F.D. is shimano Claris as is 
> the R.D.  Shiting is precise.  The rear cassette is shimano in good shape.  
> Wheels are velocity Cliffhanger 650b with WTB Horizon 47c.  Wheels and 
> tires are also excellent.  Mudguards are sks.   Pedals are MKS RMX.  Saddle 
> is a Riv Clem which has a Hobopieces saddle bag loops.  included are the 
> reflectors, lights, kickstand, and bags which are Roadrunner, Treetop, and 
> linus.  Overall, I rate the condition of the bike as excellent.  I want 
> $1200.00 for the bike.  Terms of sale:  I will pay for my LBS to pack the 
> bike and shipment to be Bike Flights payed by buyer.  Please message me off 
> list with questions.  I'm having issues getting photos to post so I can 
> test them to you if you'll provide a number off list.
>
> Steve Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri
>

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[RBW] Re: What draws you to a single speed bike?

[Paul Choi]

I just talked to Will about the Roaduno. He said that they have a lot 
coming but they won't be here until 2022. 
Completes. Purple and Green. 700 and 650b for smaller sizes. Exciting :)

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 8:14:45 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> Patrick,
> Kids survive because they are resilient and fools rarely suffer the same 
> sort of consequences as those who know better. 
>
> To add to what Ian said, you may have also inadvertently sent the reply to 
> the op. That would also explain why it’s not on the forum 
>
> Ray
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:59:31 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> Probably nothing you did wrong as it seems to happen without moderator 
>> intervention from time to time. Possibly some Google filter that jumped on 
>> your post for no discernable reason. I have had one or two disappear in 
>> similar circumstances and it hasn't been due to a moderator. It is also 
>> possible you inadvertantly deleted your own post - that's happened to me 
>> before too, if the page has loaded slowly and I've been clicking 
>> impatiently.
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 2:09:31 PM UTC-6 masmojo wrote:
>>
>>> OK, just curious; I know I posted a reply to this thread, but it seems 
 to have been deleted??

>>> No biggie, but if there's some reason for it I'd like to know what it 
>>> is, so I don't make the same mistake in the future!?
>>>  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Bill Lindsay]

The perfect project platform for somebody who wants to set up a sporty 
step-through for practically free, rather than spend $$$ and wait a long 
time for a Rivendell step through.  

Trek Multitrack 54cm Nice! - bicycles - by owner - bike sale 
(craigslist.org) 


I think I could set that bike up to fit me reasonably well and I'm 5'10".  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:09:27 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 51cm Homer, Toyo or MUSA version. These are really lovely bikes. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7331434034.html
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 5:44:42 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I think the prices reflect the increased demand for bikes and decreased 
>> supply, which I hope will change now that the pandemic is on the downslope. 
>> I was hoping to find a used Rivendell recently at a bargain price but that 
>> wasn't happening so I was thrilled to find a new old stock Clem H frame 
>> from a Riv dealer.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:20:08 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh I didn't mean to imply they're *your *bikes, I meant "your sales" 
>>> generically: everybody who's on the thread. At any rate I'm just being a 
>>> grouch and shouldn't have even posted. Don't listen to me! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:15:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 Not mine, just saw them and reposting

 The Saluki and Heron look like they are not moving at that price, he's 
 already reduced and there's snow in the picture... so they are obviously 
 overpriced.
 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:09:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ok fine, back to your sales and whatnot. I'll post my 53cm Susie 
> shortly, $4000! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Have you tried to buy a 2x4 lately?
>> Does Riv have any frames in stock?
>> How fast did the Platy's sell out?
>>
>> I get it, I'm a frugal penny-pinching yankee that likes to negotiate, 
>> so Imma with you, but you know the line of how to figure out the true 
>> value 
>> of something...
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Nice Roadini and the Clem Smith H earlier, but I wish folks would 
>>> stop pricing these as new with upgrades. $2k for a bike that came as a 
>>> new 
>>> complete for under $1700 seems kinda gougy to me, even if the parts 
>>> were 
>>> more expensive than the stock builds. Used is not new!
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 50cm Roadini in CT for 2000

 https://newlondon.craigslist.org/bik/d/stonington-rivendell-leo-roadini/7325354202.html

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> Providence CL 2 for 4300 sale, or 1 each at 2300:
>
> 54cm AHH with Saluki decals 2,300
>
> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7327534733.html
>
> 55cm Heron 2,300
>
> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7327533955.html
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. (in grilver!)
>> 52cm
>> $1950
>> San Francisco, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clemsmithjr-52cm/7331243128.html
>>
>> [image: clem.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Downtube Shifters

[lconley]

Price dropped on Microshift to $30.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:04:55 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Suntour Sold. Microshift still available.
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 2:17:57 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Microshift 8 speed indexing Shimano compatible, never used - $50 OBO 
>> Shipped CONUS
>> Suntour Accushift indexing or friction - used - I bought them but never 
>> installed - pretty sure they are 7 speed - $25 OBO shipped CONUS
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>> [image: IMG_0350.JPG]
>>
>

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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe Mixte PHoto atttempt.

[Steve Butcher]

I can text photos if you wnt them.  Just let me know.  Steve

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[RBW] Re: FS: Deore rear hub - new in box

[lconley]

Price dropped to $25.

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 10:10:25 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Deore rear cassette hub, 10 speed, 36 hole, FH-M6000, 135mm, includes 
> black skewer. Rim or disc brake. I bought it under the impression that it 
> was silver but it is actually a very dark shiny gray. $30 OBO shipped CONUS
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> [image: DeoreHub.jpg]
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[RBW] Seeking VO Mojave bottle cage

[luckyturnip]

Does anyone have a Mojave bottle cage for sale? Or similar bottle cage capable 
of holding a 32 ounce bottle? Needs to be able to be affixed to standard water 
bottle mounts. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rebuild kit for VP VIce pedals?

[Roberta]

Thanks and enjoy your new pedals for thousands of miles ahead!

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:18:19 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Thank you for the offer but I have to pass! My new pedals work fine. I 
> have a big bike storage problem and can't take any more parts or bikes 
> right now. I'll let you know if and when I rebuild the Vice pedals I 
> already have. I might try sitting them in an oil bath for a month or so.
>
> m
>
>
> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:06:02 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I pulled original pedals off my 2016 Joe Appaloosa and think it might be 
>> same model. I can post picture next week. One makes clicking sound, the 
>> other is fine. If you or anyone wants them for cost of shipping, send me 
>> PM. Michael has first right of refusal. Roberta 
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:56:49 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a pair of VP Vice pedals on my Rivendell that click once a 
>>> rotation. I've tried to ignore it, but like most problems that one ignores, 
>>> it doesn't go away. I looked for a rebuild kit, and it was out of stock at 
>>> VP Components. Had it been in stock, it would have had a price tag of $24. 
>>> For $32, I bought a new pair of pedals on eBay. 
>>>
>>> Is anyone holding a rebuild kit for these pedals? Or, do you know what 
>>> size bearings the bearings are and could I order new ones from 
>>> McMasterr-Carr? Or, has anyone put their pedals in an oil bath and revived 
>>> the pedals that way? Or, are there better pedals I should be using? I do 
>>> love the VP Vice pedals as they are much better than traditional 
>>> sandwich-shaped pedals. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Platypus or Cheviot 50cm or 55cm

[Roberta]

The Platy also has longer wheelbase which help smooth the ride.  To be 
fair, I probably have better tires on my Platy than on the Chev I tested, 
and tires make a difference in the ride quality, as I've come to appreciate 
this past year.  For the Cheviot, it must be a pretty nice bike, too, since 
they rarely come up for resale; people who have them love them.  My guess 
is she'll be happy with either.  But, I agree, the 50 in the Platy will be 
a better fit.  Good luck with finding something at Maine Bike Works or 
elsewhere!

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 4:56:40 AM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> Good to know. She has a 79pbh so the 50 seems to be the one, at least in 
> the Platy. She prefers the look of the Cheviot but seems to be cool with 
> either. I was under the impression that the Cheviot & Platypus were 
> essentially the same bike with a few differences(refinements?) like room 
> for bigger tires, canti-posts, and the curved stays which looks more 
> elegant to my eyes but I wouldn't imagine they rode that differently.
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:49:14 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> The 55 Platy is a big (LONG) bike (wheelbase 47.25 if I recall), so if 
>> she's on the cusp, go smaller.  I'm an 83 pbh, 5'7" and it fits me fine.  
>> Leah is a touch shorter in pbh and height and it's OK for her.  My other 
>> bike is a 54.5 AHH to help give you size info.  I fit it, but barely.   Any 
>> shorter,, go smaller.
>>
>> I rode the 55 chev years ago and choose not to purchase.  I know it's 
>> been years, but I like the ride of the Platy more.  It seems lighter to me 
>> (in weight and responsiveness) and I like it better.  However, because of 
>> the rain and work, I've only been on a few rides, 20 miles total.  I hope 
>> it stops raining!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:33:46 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the heads up! Email sent. I picked up a Cheviot earlier in 
>>> the year and she saw it and immediately wanted one of those or a Platypus. 
>>> The Cheviot is my favorite bike I've owned by far and it strikes me that 
>>> the Platypus is similar but a little burlier maybe. That said if we find 
>>> one she said she may end up selling her old 55cm Bleriot which she's always 
>>> felt is a touch too big. I'll post it here first if that happens. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:55:43 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think I remember Maine Bike Works (Riv dealer) saying they had some 
 Platys left??? Email Jason and see if he’s got any! I wish you well; best 
 bike ever.

 On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:02:18 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Have one you're not riding? Want to make money? Sell it to me! My wife 
> has been looking for a Cheviot specifically(50 or 55 will work) or a 
> Platypus(50). Frame & fork or complete bikes are cool. Thanks



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[RBW] Re: Rebuild kit for VP VIce pedals?

[Michael Morrissey]

Thank you for the offer but I have to pass! My new pedals work fine. I have 
a big bike storage problem and can't take any more parts or bikes right 
now. I'll let you know if and when I rebuild the Vice pedals I already 
have. I might try sitting them in an oil bath for a month or so.

m


On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:06:02 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I pulled original pedals off my 2016 Joe Appaloosa and think it might be 
> same model. I can post picture next week. One makes clicking sound, the 
> other is fine. If you or anyone wants them for cost of shipping, send me 
> PM. Michael has first right of refusal. Roberta 
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:56:49 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a pair of VP Vice pedals on my Rivendell that click once a 
>> rotation. I've tried to ignore it, but like most problems that one ignores, 
>> it doesn't go away. I looked for a rebuild kit, and it was out of stock at 
>> VP Components. Had it been in stock, it would have had a price tag of $24. 
>> For $32, I bought a new pair of pedals on eBay. 
>>
>> Is anyone holding a rebuild kit for these pedals? Or, do you know what 
>> size bearings the bearings are and could I order new ones from 
>> McMasterr-Carr? Or, has anyone put their pedals in an oil bath and revived 
>> the pedals that way? Or, are there better pedals I should be using? I do 
>> love the VP Vice pedals as they are much better than traditional 
>> sandwich-shaped pedals. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>

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[RBW] For Sale: Riv Rosco Bubbe Mixte

[Steve Butcher]

Hello Forum:  Due to arthritic joints, I am offering for sale my sage 
greeen 55cm. Rosco.Bubbe mixte.  I am an 84 pbh.I purchased the frame 
new from Riv. about 4 1/2 years ago and had the bike built up by my local 
bike shop.  I rode it as my commuter until I retired about 3 years ago.  
never rashed.  The bike has always been garage kept, ridden a time or two 
in a shower.  The frame was given a Frame Saver treatment before building 
up.  The cockpit is a 110 cm technomic stem, about 27 cm wide Albatrosss 
bars.  Shifters are Gran Compe bar end friction shifters.  grips are 
Miesha's cork grips.  Brakes and levers are Tektro cantis.  Drivetrain is 
Sugino triple crank with 170 mm cranks.  The F.D. is shimano Claris as is 
the R.D.  Shiting is precise.  The rear cassette is shimano in good shape.  
Wheels are velocity Cliffhanger 650b with WTB Horizon 47c.  Wheels and 
tires are also excellent.  Mudguards are sks.   Pedals are MKS RMX.  Saddle 
is a Riv Clem which has a Hobopieces saddle bag loops.  included are the 
reflectors, lights, kickstand, and bags which are Roadrunner, Treetop, and 
linus.  Overall, I rate the condition of the bike as excellent.  I want 
$1200.00 for the bike.  Terms of sale:  I will pay for my LBS to pack the 
bike and shipment to be Bike Flights payed by buyer.  Please message me off 
list with questions.  I'm having issues getting photos to post so I can 
test them to you if you'll provide a number off list.

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Joe Bernard]

51cm Homer, Toyo or MUSA version. These are really lovely bikes. 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7331434034.html

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 5:44:42 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I think the prices reflect the increased demand for bikes and decreased 
> supply, which I hope will change now that the pandemic is on the downslope. 
> I was hoping to find a used Rivendell recently at a bargain price but that 
> wasn't happening so I was thrilled to find a new old stock Clem H frame 
> from a Riv dealer.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:20:08 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh I didn't mean to imply they're *your *bikes, I meant "your sales" 
>> generically: everybody who's on the thread. At any rate I'm just being a 
>> grouch and shouldn't have even posted. Don't listen to me! 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:15:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Not mine, just saw them and reposting
>>>
>>> The Saluki and Heron look like they are not moving at that price, he's 
>>> already reduced and there's snow in the picture... so they are obviously 
>>> overpriced.
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:09:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Ok fine, back to your sales and whatnot. I'll post my 53cm Susie 
 shortly, $4000! 



 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> Have you tried to buy a 2x4 lately?
> Does Riv have any frames in stock?
> How fast did the Platy's sell out?
>
> I get it, I'm a frugal penny-pinching yankee that likes to negotiate, 
> so Imma with you, but you know the line of how to figure out the true 
> value 
> of something...
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Nice Roadini and the Clem Smith H earlier, but I wish folks would 
>> stop pricing these as new with upgrades. $2k for a bike that came as a 
>> new 
>> complete for under $1700 seems kinda gougy to me, even if the parts were 
>> more expensive than the stock builds. Used is not new!
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> 50cm Roadini in CT for 2000
>>>
>>> https://newlondon.craigslist.org/bik/d/stonington-rivendell-leo-roadini/7325354202.html
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 Providence CL 2 for 4300 sale, or 1 each at 2300:

 54cm AHH with Saluki decals 2,300

 https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7327534733.html

 55cm Heron 2,300

 https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7327533955.html

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
 wrote:

> Clem Smith Jr. (in grilver!)
> 52cm
> $1950
> San Francisco, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clemsmithjr-52cm/7331243128.html
>
> [image: clem.jpg]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Jason Fuller]

I was a bit hasty there and neglected the other questions (well, the ones I
can answer anyway):  No change to the chainstay length nor the tire
clearance, just based on comparison of new and old geometry tables.  I'm
not sure on other changes; Grant said this batch has slightly longer
"bellies" to the butted tubes which make the frame a touch lighter and
livelier, but that's as compared to the last batch rather than the first
batch, so not necessarily relevant.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:42 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Keith,
>
> The current 57 Appa has a 10mm longer top tube than the old 58 Appa did!
> Current 57 is a 625 effective TT, whereas the old 58 was 615.  Definitely
> sounds like good news for you!
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:35 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> I don't have time to study nuances and geometries and subtle, running
>> design changes like I used to, but I still sort of regret not getting a
>> 58cm double-top-tuber from the first batch.  (When they were announced and
>> went on sale, I was precluded by the fact that I was still waiting on a
>> Clem from the first run, which ended up being almost - but not quite -
>> ideal for me, so I eventually got rid of it.)
>>
>> Can anyone provide a clear, accurate summary of how the details of this
>> model have changed?
>>
>> I know the seat tube sizes/designations are 1cm less, but did the top
>> tubes or effective front-centers stay the same, or get shorter or, better
>> yet, get LONGER?
>>
>> I know the fork blades got stiffer/thicker after the first run.  Any
>> other changes since.
>>
>> Has tire clearance improved?
>>
>> Have chainstays gotten longer or shorter, etc?
>>
>> Thanks for any geeky analysis or datapoints.
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Now that the new Joe Appa's are hitting shelves (everywhere but at
>>> Rivendell, as is becoming the norm!) I reckon it's time for a central place
>>> to chat about them, a la the Platy thread!
>>>
>>> Crust has their inventory live for purchase at $1650:
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/rivendell-joe-appaloosa
>>>
>>> I will be abstaining because there is no line of reason that could
>>> possibly justify my buying one, but I look forward to living vicariously
>>> through others!
>>>
>>> [image: DSC07418-2_1800x1800.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Jason Fuller]

Keith,

The current 57 Appa has a 10mm longer top tube than the old 58 Appa did!
Current 57 is a 625 effective TT, whereas the old 58 was 615.  Definitely
sounds like good news for you!

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:35 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> I don't have time to study nuances and geometries and subtle, running
> design changes like I used to, but I still sort of regret not getting a
> 58cm double-top-tuber from the first batch.  (When they were announced and
> went on sale, I was precluded by the fact that I was still waiting on a
> Clem from the first run, which ended up being almost - but not quite -
> ideal for me, so I eventually got rid of it.)
>
> Can anyone provide a clear, accurate summary of how the details of this
> model have changed?
>
> I know the seat tube sizes/designations are 1cm less, but did the top
> tubes or effective front-centers stay the same, or get shorter or, better
> yet, get LONGER?
>
> I know the fork blades got stiffer/thicker after the first run.  Any other
> changes since.
>
> Has tire clearance improved?
>
> Have chainstays gotten longer or shorter, etc?
>
> Thanks for any geeky analysis or datapoints.
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Now that the new Joe Appa's are hitting shelves (everywhere but at
>> Rivendell, as is becoming the norm!) I reckon it's time for a central place
>> to chat about them, a la the Platy thread!
>>
>> Crust has their inventory live for purchase at $1650:
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/rivendell-joe-appaloosa
>>
>> I will be abstaining because there is no line of reason that could
>> possibly justify my buying one, but I look forward to living vicariously
>> through others!
>>
>> [image: DSC07418-2_1800x1800.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[iamkeith]

I don't have time to study nuances and geometries and subtle, running 
design changes like I used to, but I still sort of regret not getting a 
58cm double-top-tuber from the first batch.  (When they were announced and 
went on sale, I was precluded by the fact that I was still waiting on a 
Clem from the first run, which ended up being almost - but not quite - 
ideal for me, so I eventually got rid of it.)  

Can anyone provide a clear, accurate summary of how the details of this 
model have changed?  

I know the seat tube sizes/designations are 1cm less, but did the top tubes 
or effective front-centers stay the same, or get shorter or, better yet, 
get LONGER?

I know the fork blades got stiffer/thicker after the first run.  Any other 
changes since.

Has tire clearance improved?

Have chainstays gotten longer or shorter, etc?

Thanks for any geeky analysis or datapoints.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Now that the new Joe Appa's are hitting shelves (everywhere but at 
> Rivendell, as is becoming the norm!) I reckon it's time for a central place 
> to chat about them, a la the Platy thread! 
>
> Crust has their inventory live for purchase at $1650:  
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/rivendell-joe-appaloosa
>
> I will be abstaining because there is no line of reason that could 
> possibly justify my buying one, but I look forward to living vicariously 
> through others! 
>
> [image: DSC07418-2_1800x1800.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Adapters to make SPD pedals into clip and strap pedals?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I tried those, and was looking for one taking clips. As things
stand, my search has eliminated this option and I am now considering either
SPD shoes designed for more walking, or the MKS Rinko pedal system.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:43 PM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Here's another option but they don't take straps.
> https://www.adventurecycling.org/cyclosource-store/equipment/sp/problem-solvers-decksters-clipless-pedal--adaptor/
>
> They are kind of heavy but work fine for occasional riding around. I've
> got two pairs and would be happy to sell you a pair for not too much if
> you're interested.
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 11:47:02 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ginz; not the SPD but still a general issue to consider. Really,
>> after far too much fretting, I think the best solution is simply to find a
>> more comfortable and conservative-looking pair of SPD shoes that don't hurt
>> my feet after an hour of standing (liturgies regularly last 2 hours, and
>> they can go much longer than that! It would probably have to be a lace up
>> since I have narrow heels and a bunion on my right foot, thus need a wide
>> toe box but a sufficiently narrow heel.
>>
>> Someone suggested the Giro Rumble which is designed to be more flexible
>> than most cycling shoes for comfortable walking. It's well priced, too. My
>> only doubt is the look: it's not horrible, but I'd like to find a
>> "walk-oriented" spd shoe that looks like my 5-10 Freerider (5-10 does not
>> seem to offer anything like the Freerider for SPDs).
>>
>> Thoughts welcome.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 8:19 AM Ginz  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I should have researched first.I cannot comment on the "SPD"
>>> pedal.  My feedback would only related to "Step-In A" pedal that Rene Herse
>>> does not carry!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:15:41 AM UTC-4 Ginz wrote:
>>>
 I had the MKS Urban Step-in B and Lambda combination for a while.
 These are my thoughts:

 I really did not like the Step-in B pedals.  I am a Time ATAC lover and
 that fact that the MKS used the same cleats was a huge plus.  However, I
 found the break-in period for the Step-in B pedals was incredibly long.  I
 messed with the spring tension.  I was using well broken in cleats.  But it
 took a long, long time before the the clip-in was smooth.  At the
 beginning, I had to jam my foot down, forward, backward, every which way to
 engage the cleat.   Once that issue resolved itself over ~20 rides, they
 were better.  But my goal was to swap between mtb'y pedals and flat
 pedals.  On the trail, the engagement was no where near as nice as my Time
 ATAC.  So, I just gave up and sold the setup.

 That said, if your goal is to ride roads and occasionally swap pedals,
 its fine.  Maybe not perfect, but fine.   One thing you can do is find the
 discontinued Non-Ezy version of the MKS Step-in B pedals for cheap on eBay
 and try them out.  Actually, I may have a set missing the dust cap if you
 are interested (I bought them for parts).

 I wish they had partnered with Time and made the basic ATAC pedal with
 the MKS Ezy Superior Axle.  I would have kept that setup forever.

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 2:55:09 AM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> Not sure about the SPD quality difference. Also, I realized the SPD
> rinko system might use different adapters.
>
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 8:32:31 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks; I've thought of these. Questions: Does the system materially
>> increase Q? Is the MKS spd pedal anywhere near as good as mid and upper
>> level Shimano SPDs -- PD540, XT, XTR?
>>
>> Actually, ~$275 for MKS SPDs and Urbans and shipping isn't too bad,
>> but only if the MKS spds are good pedals.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 3:10 PM exliontamer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These rink systems work and are pretty sick, they're just expensive.
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-category/components/pedals/
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:50:33 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Is there any well made, well functioning adapter to make an SPD
 pedal into a platform that will take a standard Christophe clip? Rather
 than swapping out my SPDs for quills, this might be the best solution 
 for
 merely occasional street shoe riding.

 Thanks.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Cliffhanger, Son 28 wheelset

[David Baldi]

Open to offers as well if you think that is not a reasonable ask. <3

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 12:29:46 PM UTC-4 David Baldi wrote:

>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a pair of polished, 36 hole Cliffhangers with ~100 miles on them. 
> Laced to Son 28 dynamo in the front and Velo Orange Grand Cru in the rear, 
> and mounted tubeless with Rene Herse 44 Snoqualamie Pass tires. Again, all 
> with around ~100 miles. 
>
> I built them under the expert supervision of Karl Borne at True Cyclery 
> (New Haven, CT), formerly of Seven Cycles. Would anyone be interested in 
> taking these for around the price of the parts? Cost was ~$950. Take it for 
> $920?  
>
> Here's the breakdown.
> rims: 244
> spokes: 75
> nipples: 15
> VO grand cru: 165
> Son 28: 270
> tires: 142
> tubeless: 20
> valves: 16
>
> Can provide more pictures if interested. I am in New Haven, CT, and will 
> be in Oakland in two weeks and could pack them with me.
>
> photos 
>
> -David
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Doug H.]

I think the prices reflect the increased demand for bikes and decreased 
supply, which I hope will change now that the pandemic is on the downslope. 
I was hoping to find a used Rivendell recently at a bargain price but that 
wasn't happening so I was thrilled to find a new old stock Clem H frame 
from a Riv dealer.
Doug

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:20:08 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh I didn't mean to imply they're *your *bikes, I meant "your sales" 
> generically: everybody who's on the thread. At any rate I'm just being a 
> grouch and shouldn't have even posted. Don't listen to me! 
>
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:15:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Not mine, just saw them and reposting
>>
>> The Saluki and Heron look like they are not moving at that price, he's 
>> already reduced and there's snow in the picture... so they are obviously 
>> overpriced.
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:09:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ok fine, back to your sales and whatnot. I'll post my 53cm Susie 
>>> shortly, $4000! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 Have you tried to buy a 2x4 lately?
 Does Riv have any frames in stock?
 How fast did the Platy's sell out?

 I get it, I'm a frugal penny-pinching yankee that likes to negotiate, 
 so Imma with you, but you know the line of how to figure out the true 
 value 
 of something...

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice Roadini and the Clem Smith H earlier, but I wish folks would stop 
> pricing these as new with upgrades. $2k for a bike that came as a new 
> complete for under $1700 seems kinda gougy to me, even if the parts were 
> more expensive than the stock builds. Used is not new!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> 50cm Roadini in CT for 2000
>>
>> https://newlondon.craigslist.org/bik/d/stonington-rivendell-leo-roadini/7325354202.html
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Providence CL 2 for 4300 sale, or 1 each at 2300:
>>>
>>> 54cm AHH with Saluki decals 2,300
>>>
>>> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7327534733.html
>>>
>>> 55cm Heron 2,300
>>>
>>> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7327533955.html
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Clem Smith Jr. (in grilver!)
 52cm
 $1950
 San Francisco, CA


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clemsmithjr-52cm/7331243128.html

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Billie Bars

[Doug H.]

Roberta,
That sounds like a classy looking bike. I look forward to seeing photos of
your Platypus as all the ones I've seen are so cool with each seeming to be
built with different component color schemes. I'm having fun choosing parts
for the Clem but it will be some time before it's ready for the roads and
trails.
Doug

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 9:54 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Oh, it's gonna look nice!  That's what Analog did for me (I said "just
> surprise me with the colors") except  11 drive train, and that is SO classy
> looking.  Don't have pictures yet, but for for each "black" there is a
> silver.  For example, the black  bands of the brake levers with silver
> levers.  Black front ring with silver trouser guard.  Garbaruk 11 cassette
> is silver except for the biggest cog witch is black.  Yin/Yang.  I'm
> looking forward to seeing yours and contrats on getting one.
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:50:45 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I'll just be happy to be back on a Riv bike. I'm going with a 1x10
>> drivetrain and mixing black and silver components. Gonna be a cool build I
>> think.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:05 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, Belle Bars has a nice ring to it…
>>>
>>> I found them in a different COUNTRY. It was nuts, there was only the one
>>> set, but I woke up no less than 3 times last night, thrilled that I got
>>> them.
>>>
>>> I had Albatross on my Betty Foy for years. I always thought that was a
>>> beautiful bar, and Doug, you’ll love them, I’m sure. This bar comes back
>>> further and flares, which is Handlebar Nirvana on the Platypus. You know
>>> when your saddle is so good and at such a great angle that you never give
>>> it another thought? Never notice its presence? That’s this handlebar. I can
>>> ride a hundred miles and still be fresh on my Platypus. I’ll never get
>>> tired on it, nor of it.
>>>
>>> I’ll keep an eye out for more of them if anyone else is looking!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:38 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Billie Bars soon to be renamed the Leah Belle Ding Ding Bars..."
>>>
>>> How did she even find them?? I went on a little search engine mission
>>> myself just to see if I could get lucky and send her a link for Billie Bars
>>> somewhere out there in the world..no dice. She found them! Belle Bars!!!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 4:59:38 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 The Billie Bars soon to be renamed the Leah Belle Ding Ding Bars...
 Doug

 On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:24:27 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
 wrote:

> Ed, shhh, don’t tell them until AFTER they sell us their bars.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 2, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Ed Fausto  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I also recently replaced the Nitto Choco bars on my 51 Gus Boots
> Willsen with the new Billie bars and its now my new favorite handlebar.
> Now I want to replace all the Albatross bars on all my other Riv
> bicycles :-)
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:57:58 AM UTC+8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> There are lessons to be learned here…
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> You told everybody how great they are and sold out the entire
>> world's supply of Billie Bars! 
>>
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 4:09:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Bump. Who has Billie bars they don’t need?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Friends,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am looking for a 2nd set of Billie Bars. Will buy from you or
>>> trade the aluminum 52 Boscos I have. Let me know whatcha got!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Platypus or Cheviot 50cm or 55cm

[exliontamer]

Good to know. She has a 79pbh so the 50 seems to be the one, at least in 
the Platy. She prefers the look of the Cheviot but seems to be cool with 
either. I was under the impression that the Cheviot & Platypus were 
essentially the same bike with a few differences(refinements?) like room 
for bigger tires, canti-posts, and the curved stays which looks more 
elegant to my eyes but I wouldn't imagine they rode that differently.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:49:14 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> The 55 Platy is a big (LONG) bike (wheelbase 47.25 if I recall), so if 
> she's on the cusp, go smaller.  I'm an 83 pbh, 5'7" and it fits me fine.  
> Leah is a touch shorter in pbh and height and it's OK for her.  My other 
> bike is a 54.5 AHH to help give you size info.  I fit it, but barely.   Any 
> shorter,, go smaller.
>
> I rode the 55 chev years ago and choose not to purchase.  I know it's been 
> years, but I like the ride of the Platy more.  It seems lighter to me (in 
> weight and responsiveness) and I like it better.  However, because of the 
> rain and work, I've only been on a few rides, 20 miles total.  I hope it 
> stops raining!
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 9:33:46 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the heads up! Email sent. I picked up a Cheviot earlier in the 
>> year and she saw it and immediately wanted one of those or a Platypus. The 
>> Cheviot is my favorite bike I've owned by far and it strikes me that the 
>> Platypus is similar but a little burlier maybe. That said if we find one 
>> she said she may end up selling her old 55cm Bleriot which she's always 
>> felt is a touch too big. I'll post it here first if that happens. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:55:43 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think I remember Maine Bike Works (Riv dealer) saying they had some 
>>> Platys left??? Email Jason and see if he’s got any! I wish you well; best 
>>> bike ever.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 9:02:18 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Have one you're not riding? Want to make money? Sell it to me! My wife 
 has been looking for a Cheviot specifically(50 or 55 will work) or a 
 Platypus(50). Frame & fork or complete bikes are cool. Thanks
>>>
>>>

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