[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Rick Urbanowski]

great resource, thanks!

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 9:26:48 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> For what it's worth, Blue Lug in Japan sells these handy little gadgets:
> https://store.bluelug.com/gamoh-rack-adapter.html
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 9:40:54 AM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That is a fine bicycle. Toyo made and came stock with pretty much the 
>> same parts as Rambouillet, it was a screaming deal back then and impossible 
>> for Grant to replicate for that kind of money now. Mine was a smidge too 
>> big cuz 55cm was the smallest size, but I sure miss it. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:17:19 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> LOL, I'm the same way.I basically do what I'm not supposed to! LOL. Yeah 
>>> the is just like a Ram but with a few minor details that were left out of 
>>> the production. Contrasting paint on the some of the mounts, possibly down 
>>> scaled components, but basically the same specs.  I'll measure what i have 
>>> and see. Thanks man
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet 
 and if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room 
 for fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a 
 touch 
 small I would take the chance with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
 if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.

 PS - That is a beautiful bike. I stick by the Rambouillet/Romulus being 
 the best Riv bike made.  Close second to the Sauki

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:07:26 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wow! Great advice, and a mind reader! I was just thinking the same 
> thing. 
> This is my first Riv and i love it! I just stumbled on it at a bike 
> shop on consignment. Perhaps it won't be my last, as you suggest. I'm 
> already rigging this bike up more than i probably should. (see photo) I 
> really do need fenders though, and the pedal strike does concern me. Max 
> 35's for the fenders? Or less?
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
>> caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could 
>> be a 
>> pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
>> calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame 
>> was 
>> already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
>> Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need 
>> brake 
>> hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 
>>
>> In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
>> decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to 
>> a 
>> lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't 
>> meant 
>> to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
>> for. In my opinion!*
>>
>> *others may completely disagree with me
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about 
>>> to attempt the install. 
>>> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would 
>>> clear with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance 
 of that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I 
 remember 
 the clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
 definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a 
 stick 
 or rock stopping there. Yikes! 

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Good luck!
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great info, thank you!
>> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers 
>> crossed on that one for sure!
>> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore 
>> that option. Thanks again!
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a 
>>> Romulus was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 
>>> 700 x 28 
>>> Ruffy Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My 
>>> Rom 
>>> brochure claims you

[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Rick Urbanowski]

Thanks! SHe's my muse...lol

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 8:32:47 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> Nothing to add of use here except that that photo is like a still-life, 
> with the jug in the window and the peeling paint. Just perfect. Bike is 
> gorgeous too!
>
> To be helpful to the question, just because you can squeeze a fender in a 
> space and the tyres dont rub doesnt meen its *safe. *Been there, ruined 
> nice bikes.
>
> On Saturday, 14 August 2021 at 07:17:19 UTC+8 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> LOL, I'm the same way.I basically do what I'm not supposed to! LOL. Yeah 
>> the is just like a Ram but with a few minor details that were left out of 
>> the production. Contrasting paint on the some of the mounts, possibly down 
>> scaled components, but basically the same specs.  I'll measure what i have 
>> and see. Thanks man
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet 
>>> and if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room 
>>> for fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a touch 
>>> small I would take the chance with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
>>> if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.
>>>
>>> PS - That is a beautiful bike. I stick by the Rambouillet/Romulus being 
>>> the best Riv bike made.  Close second to the Sauki
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:07:26 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow! Great advice, and a mind reader! I was just thinking the same 
 thing. 
 This is my first Riv and i love it! I just stumbled on it at a bike 
 shop on consignment. Perhaps it won't be my last, as you suggest. I'm 
 already rigging this bike up more than i probably should. (see photo) I 
 really do need fenders though, and the pedal strike does concern me. Max 
 35's for the fenders? Or less?

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
> caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be 
> a 
> pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
> calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
> already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
> Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need 
> brake 
> hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 
>
> In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
> decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
> lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't 
> meant 
> to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
> for. In my opinion!*
>
> *others may completely disagree with me
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about 
>> to attempt the install. 
>> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would 
>> clear with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance 
>>> of that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I 
>>> remember 
>>> the clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
>>> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a 
>>> stick 
>>> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Good luck!

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Great info, thank you!
> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers 
> crossed on that one for sure!
> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore 
> that option. Thanks again!
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a 
>> Romulus was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 
>> 700 x 28 
>> Ruffy Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My 
>> Rom 
>> brochure claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I 
>> suspect this 
>> is 2003 information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>>
>> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack 
>> with the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brak

Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[Matthew Williams]

Oh, looking at that photo is painful. Ouch! I'm very glad neither you nor 
anyone else was hurt.

I'll add a Susie for you to my watchlist--what size do you need?



On Aug 9, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Benjamin Park  wrote:

> My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you helped guide 
> me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a rack at highway 
> speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life and limb and am 
> trying to salvage what I can.
> 
> I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
> 
> If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, please PM 
> me.
> 
> Ben in ATL
> 
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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[John Rinker]

For what it's worth, Blue Lug in Japan sells these handy little gadgets:
https://store.bluelug.com/gamoh-rack-adapter.html

Cheers


On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 9:40:54 AM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That is a fine bicycle. Toyo made and came stock with pretty much the same 
> parts as Rambouillet, it was a screaming deal back then and impossible for 
> Grant to replicate for that kind of money now. Mine was a smidge too big 
> cuz 55cm was the smallest size, but I sure miss it. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:17:19 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> LOL, I'm the same way.I basically do what I'm not supposed to! LOL. Yeah 
>> the is just like a Ram but with a few minor details that were left out of 
>> the production. Contrasting paint on the some of the mounts, possibly down 
>> scaled components, but basically the same specs.  I'll measure what i have 
>> and see. Thanks man
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet 
>>> and if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room 
>>> for fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a touch 
>>> small I would take the chance with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
>>> if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.
>>>
>>> PS - That is a beautiful bike. I stick by the Rambouillet/Romulus being 
>>> the best Riv bike made.  Close second to the Sauki
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:07:26 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow! Great advice, and a mind reader! I was just thinking the same 
 thing. 
 This is my first Riv and i love it! I just stumbled on it at a bike 
 shop on consignment. Perhaps it won't be my last, as you suggest. I'm 
 already rigging this bike up more than i probably should. (see photo) I 
 really do need fenders though, and the pedal strike does concern me. Max 
 35's for the fenders? Or less?

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
> caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be 
> a 
> pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
> calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
> already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
> Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need 
> brake 
> hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 
>
> In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
> decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
> lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't 
> meant 
> to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
> for. In my opinion!*
>
> *others may completely disagree with me
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about 
>> to attempt the install. 
>> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would 
>> clear with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance 
>>> of that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I 
>>> remember 
>>> the clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
>>> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a 
>>> stick 
>>> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Good luck!

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Great info, thank you!
> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers 
> crossed on that one for sure!
> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore 
> that option. Thanks again!
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a 
>> Romulus was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 
>> 700 x 28 
>> Ruffy Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My 
>> Rom 
>> brochure claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I 
>> suspect this 
>> is 2003 information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>>
>> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a

Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[Joe Bernard]

Depends on what it encounters as it's tumbling. The crack at the 
downtube/headtube junction and buckle in the toptube tells me the bars hit 
the ground or another object pur-ty dang hard. 



On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:48:06 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I always assumed that a bike falling off of a rack on the highway would 
> survive & just be scraped up. Looks like my assumption was wrong. Maybe due 
> to the curved “top tube” on that frame?
>
> I just sold my Thule rack with the rubber straps that secure the frame. 
> Mine had three straps for each bike. Two held the top tube and one held the 
> seat tube. I never had an issue with it and thought it would keep bikes out 
> of the wind behind the vehicle.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Benjamin Park  wrote:
>
> Hi Leah, yes there was certainly a risk of Susie hurting someone 
> physically. Thankfully this did not happen and in fact I don't think anyone 
> even ran it over. Cars were definitely swerving though.
>
>
> The bike was on a hitch rack that carries the top tube. The top tube was 
> held down by rubber straps with holes - look for Thule and you'll see 
> pictures of what I'm talking about. The straps were tight- I made double 
> sure of that. My mistake was not using a fail-safe strap for peace of 
> mind.  Actually it was my friend's rack and I know he feels bad (even 
> though it's not his fault). I believe that the force of the air on the 
> highway caused the straps to just get pulled off.
>
> Thanks for the advice, I'll plead to Will and see if they can do anything!
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
>> 1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a car 
>> behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at highway 
>> speeds could mortally wound you.
>>
>> 2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are 
>> probably things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from 
>> this experience to avoid the same situation. 
>>
>> Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for 
>> just such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the 
>>> accident.  I hope a replacement can be found.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Curtis 
>>> El Cajon, CA
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you 
 helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a 
 rack 
 at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life 
 and 
 limb and am trying to salvage what I can.

 I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!

 If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, 
 please PM me.

 Ben in ATL

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Joe Bernard]

That is a fine bicycle. Toyo made and came stock with pretty much the same 
parts as Rambouillet, it was a screaming deal back then and impossible for 
Grant to replicate for that kind of money now. Mine was a smidge too big 
cuz 55cm was the smallest size, but I sure miss it. 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:17:19 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

> LOL, I'm the same way.I basically do what I'm not supposed to! LOL. Yeah 
> the is just like a Ram but with a few minor details that were left out of 
> the production. Contrasting paint on the some of the mounts, possibly down 
> scaled components, but basically the same specs.  I'll measure what i have 
> and see. Thanks man
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet 
>> and if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room 
>> for fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a touch 
>> small I would take the chance with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
>> if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.
>>
>> PS - That is a beautiful bike. I stick by the Rambouillet/Romulus being 
>> the best Riv bike made.  Close second to the Sauki
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:07:26 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! Great advice, and a mind reader! I was just thinking the same 
>>> thing. 
>>> This is my first Riv and i love it! I just stumbled on it at a bike shop 
>>> on consignment. Perhaps it won't be my last, as you suggest. I'm already 
>>> rigging this bike up more than i probably should. (see photo) I really do 
>>> need fenders though, and the pedal strike does concern me. Max 35's for the 
>>> fenders? Or less?
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
 caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be 
 a 
 pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
 calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
 already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
 Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need 
 brake 
 hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 

 In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
 decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
 lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't meant 
 to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
 for. In my opinion!*

 *others may completely disagree with me

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about 
> to attempt the install. 
> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would 
> clear with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of 
>> that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember 
>> the 
>> clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
>> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a 
>> stick 
>> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Great info, thank you!
 I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers 
 crossed on that one for sure!
 No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore 
 that option. Thanks again!

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a 
> Romulus was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 
> x 28 
> Ruffy Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom 
> brochure claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I 
> suspect this 
> is 2003 information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>
> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack 
> with the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at 
> mid-fork for the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but 
> they 
> work fine. Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the 
> fender 
> eyelet on the dropout for longer ra

Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[brendonoid]

Just here to add my condolences and mourn the fact that there is one less 
Susie in the world in my size.

I like to run a strap around the bike up to a roof rack when possible so if 
all else fails and the rack falls off the tow hitch, the whole lot will 
swing and scrape along the back of the car without hitting the ground. I 
don't feel so paranoid after seeing this.
On Saturday, 14 August 2021 at 08:30:07 UTC+8 Drw wrote:

> Heart breaking. Im trying to figure out if that would hurt more or less 
> than having a rivendell stolen. Sorry for your loss. 
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:27:18 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> Whoa!  That's some damage.  Glad no one following was involved.  
>>
>> I used to have one of those racks where the bike's top tube sits in 
>> rubber trays & is retained by rubber straps with holes.  After a couple of 
>> straps broke, I started using a pair of Velcro straps on each mount plus 
>> tieing the seat tube or down tube to the vertical tube of the rack.  Even 
>> with that, it was not confidence inspiring on the highway.  Eventually I 
>> went for one of Thule's wheel tray mount hitch racks & am much more 
>> comfortable with that. 
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:48:06 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I always assumed that a bike falling off of a rack on the highway would 
>>> survive & just be scraped up. Looks like my assumption was wrong. Maybe due 
>>> to the curved “top tube” on that frame?
>>>
>>> I just sold my Thule rack with the rubber straps that secure the frame. 
>>> Mine had three straps for each bike. Two held the top tube and one held the 
>>> seat tube. I never had an issue with it and thought it would keep bikes out 
>>> of the wind behind the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Benjamin Park  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Leah, yes there was certainly a risk of Susie hurting someone 
>>> physically. Thankfully this did not happen and in fact I don't think anyone 
>>> even ran it over. Cars were definitely swerving though.
>>>
>>>
>>> The bike was on a hitch rack that carries the top tube. The top tube was 
>>> held down by rubber straps with holes - look for Thule and you'll see 
>>> pictures of what I'm talking about. The straps were tight- I made double 
>>> sure of that. My mistake was not using a fail-safe strap for peace of 
>>> mind.  Actually it was my friend's rack and I know he feels bad (even 
>>> though it's not his fault). I believe that the force of the air on the 
>>> highway caused the straps to just get pulled off.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice, I'll plead to Will and see if they can do 
>>> anything!
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
 1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a 
 car behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at 
 highway speeds could mortally wound you.

 2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are 
 probably things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from 
 this experience to avoid the same situation. 

 Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for 
 just such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.

 All the best,
 Leah

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Ben,
>
> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the 
> accident.  I hope a replacement can be found.
>
> Take care,
> Curtis 
> El Cajon, CA
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of 
>> you helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off 
>> a 
>> rack at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking 
>> life and limb and am trying to salvage what I can.
>>
>> I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
>>
>> If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, 
>> please PM me.
>>
>> Ben in ATL
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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[brendonoid]

Nothing to add of use here except that that photo is like a still-life, 
with the jug in the window and the peeling paint. Just perfect. Bike is 
gorgeous too!

To be helpful to the question, just because you can squeeze a fender in a 
space and the tyres dont rub doesnt meen its *safe. *Been there, ruined 
nice bikes.

On Saturday, 14 August 2021 at 07:17:19 UTC+8 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

> LOL, I'm the same way.I basically do what I'm not supposed to! LOL. Yeah 
> the is just like a Ram but with a few minor details that were left out of 
> the production. Contrasting paint on the some of the mounts, possibly down 
> scaled components, but basically the same specs.  I'll measure what i have 
> and see. Thanks man
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet 
>> and if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room 
>> for fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a touch 
>> small I would take the chance with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
>> if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.
>>
>> PS - That is a beautiful bike. I stick by the Rambouillet/Romulus being 
>> the best Riv bike made.  Close second to the Sauki
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:07:26 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! Great advice, and a mind reader! I was just thinking the same 
>>> thing. 
>>> This is my first Riv and i love it! I just stumbled on it at a bike shop 
>>> on consignment. Perhaps it won't be my last, as you suggest. I'm already 
>>> rigging this bike up more than i probably should. (see photo) I really do 
>>> need fenders though, and the pedal strike does concern me. Max 35's for the 
>>> fenders? Or less?
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
 caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be 
 a 
 pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
 calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
 already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
 Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need 
 brake 
 hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 

 In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
 decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
 lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't meant 
 to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
 for. In my opinion!*

 *others may completely disagree with me

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about 
> to attempt the install. 
> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would 
> clear with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of 
>> that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember 
>> the 
>> clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
>> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a 
>> stick 
>> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Great info, thank you!
 I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers 
 crossed on that one for sure!
 No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore 
 that option. Thanks again!

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a 
> Romulus was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 
> x 28 
> Ruffy Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom 
> brochure claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I 
> suspect this 
> is 2003 information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>
> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack 
> with the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at 
> mid-fork for the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but 
> they 
> work fine. Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the 
> fender 
> eyelet 

Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[Drw]

Heart breaking. Im trying to figure out if that would hurt more or less 
than having a rivendell stolen. Sorry for your loss. 

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:27:18 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> Whoa!  That's some damage.  Glad no one following was involved.  
>
> I used to have one of those racks where the bike's top tube sits in rubber 
> trays & is retained by rubber straps with holes.  After a couple of straps 
> broke, I started using a pair of Velcro straps on each mount plus tieing 
> the seat tube or down tube to the vertical tube of the rack.  Even with 
> that, it was not confidence inspiring on the highway.  Eventually I went 
> for one of Thule's wheel tray mount hitch racks & am much more comfortable 
> with that. 
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:48:06 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I always assumed that a bike falling off of a rack on the highway would 
>> survive & just be scraped up. Looks like my assumption was wrong. Maybe due 
>> to the curved “top tube” on that frame?
>>
>> I just sold my Thule rack with the rubber straps that secure the frame. 
>> Mine had three straps for each bike. Two held the top tube and one held the 
>> seat tube. I never had an issue with it and thought it would keep bikes out 
>> of the wind behind the vehicle.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Benjamin Park  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leah, yes there was certainly a risk of Susie hurting someone 
>> physically. Thankfully this did not happen and in fact I don't think anyone 
>> even ran it over. Cars were definitely swerving though.
>>
>>
>> The bike was on a hitch rack that carries the top tube. The top tube was 
>> held down by rubber straps with holes - look for Thule and you'll see 
>> pictures of what I'm talking about. The straps were tight- I made double 
>> sure of that. My mistake was not using a fail-safe strap for peace of 
>> mind.  Actually it was my friend's rack and I know he feels bad (even 
>> though it's not his fault). I believe that the force of the air on the 
>> highway caused the straps to just get pulled off.
>>
>> Thanks for the advice, I'll plead to Will and see if they can do anything!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
>>> 1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a car 
>>> behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at highway 
>>> speeds could mortally wound you.
>>>
>>> 2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are 
>>> probably things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from 
>>> this experience to avoid the same situation. 
>>>
>>> Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for 
>>> just such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>>
 Ben,

 That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the 
 accident.  I hope a replacement can be found.

 Take care,
 Curtis 
 El Cajon, CA

 On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of 
> you helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off 
> a 
> rack at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking 
> life and limb and am trying to salvage what I can.
>
> I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
>
> If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, 
> please PM me.
>
> Ben in ATL
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c XT / Mavic A719 Wheelset 36f/36r

[dougP]

I have the same wheelset & can attest to how rugged these are.  I have over 
50,000 miles on them, many of them loaded touring, & have had to have the 
rear trued twice.  Great build.  

dougP

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> XT hubs are smooth, laced with 36 straight guage spokes to Mavic A719 
> rims. Front rim is silver, rear is black as pictured. Includes rear quick 
> release skewer, front has a 5mm allen bolt. Wheels are true with even spoke 
> tension; around 1000 miles.  Please send PM for interest. Asking $175 
> shipped. 
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Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[dougP]

Whoa!  That's some damage.  Glad no one following was involved.  

I used to have one of those racks where the bike's top tube sits in rubber 
trays & is retained by rubber straps with holes.  After a couple of straps 
broke, I started using a pair of Velcro straps on each mount plus tieing 
the seat tube or down tube to the vertical tube of the rack.  Even with 
that, it was not confidence inspiring on the highway.  Eventually I went 
for one of Thule's wheel tray mount hitch racks & am much more comfortable 
with that. 

dougP

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:48:06 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I always assumed that a bike falling off of a rack on the highway would 
> survive & just be scraped up. Looks like my assumption was wrong. Maybe due 
> to the curved “top tube” on that frame?
>
> I just sold my Thule rack with the rubber straps that secure the frame. 
> Mine had three straps for each bike. Two held the top tube and one held the 
> seat tube. I never had an issue with it and thought it would keep bikes out 
> of the wind behind the vehicle.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Benjamin Park  wrote:
>
> Hi Leah, yes there was certainly a risk of Susie hurting someone 
> physically. Thankfully this did not happen and in fact I don't think anyone 
> even ran it over. Cars were definitely swerving though.
>
>
> The bike was on a hitch rack that carries the top tube. The top tube was 
> held down by rubber straps with holes - look for Thule and you'll see 
> pictures of what I'm talking about. The straps were tight- I made double 
> sure of that. My mistake was not using a fail-safe strap for peace of 
> mind.  Actually it was my friend's rack and I know he feels bad (even 
> though it's not his fault). I believe that the force of the air on the 
> highway caused the straps to just get pulled off.
>
> Thanks for the advice, I'll plead to Will and see if they can do anything!
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
>> 1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a car 
>> behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at highway 
>> speeds could mortally wound you.
>>
>> 2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are 
>> probably things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from 
>> this experience to avoid the same situation. 
>>
>> Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for 
>> just such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the 
>>> accident.  I hope a replacement can be found.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Curtis 
>>> El Cajon, CA
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you 
 helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a 
 rack 
 at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life 
 and 
 limb and am trying to salvage what I can.

 I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!

 If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, 
 please PM me.

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Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[rltilley]

I always assumed that a bike falling off of a rack on the highway would survive 
& just be scraped up. Looks like my assumption was wrong. Maybe due to the 
curved “top tube” on that frame?

I just sold my Thule rack with the rubber straps that secure the frame. Mine 
had three straps for each bike. Two held the top tube and one held the seat 
tube. I never had an issue with it and thought it would keep bikes out of the 
wind behind the vehicle.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Benjamin Park  wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah, yes there was certainly a risk of Susie hurting someone physically. 
> Thankfully this did not happen and in fact I don't think anyone even ran it 
> over. Cars were definitely swerving though.
> 
> The bike was on a hitch rack that carries the top tube. The top tube was held 
> down by rubber straps with holes - look for Thule and you'll see pictures of 
> what I'm talking about. The straps were tight- I made double sure of that. My 
> mistake was not using a fail-safe strap for peace of mind.  Actually it was 
> my friend's rack and I know he feels bad (even though it's not his fault). I 
> believe that the force of the air on the highway caused the straps to just 
> get pulled off.
> 
> Thanks for the advice, I'll plead to Will and see if they can do anything!
> 
> Ben
> 
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
>> 1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a car 
>> behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at highway 
>> speeds could mortally wound you.
>> 
>> 2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are probably 
>> things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from this 
>> experience to avoid the same situation. 
>> 
>> Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for just 
>> such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Leah
>> 
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>> Ben,
>>> 
>>> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the accident.  
>>> I hope a replacement can be found.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Curtis 
>>> El Cajon, CA
>>> 
 On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  wrote:
 My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you helped guide me to 
 purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a rack at highway speed. 
 I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life and limb and am 
 trying to salvage what I can.
 
 I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
 
 If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, please 
 PM me.
 
 Ben in ATL
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[RBW] Re: RIP Susie Longbolts

[Manuel Acosta]

Hey Ben Sorry about bike stuff.
Maybe check with a frame builder and ask if you can do a custom with the 
frame. Maybe cheaper than a new bike? 

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:09:42 PM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you 
> helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a rack 
> at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life and 
> limb and am trying to salvage what I can.
>
> I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
>
> If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, please 
> PM me.
>
> Ben in ATL
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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Rick Urbanowski]

LOL, I'm the same way.I basically do what I'm not supposed to! LOL. Yeah 
the is just like a Ram but with a few minor details that were left out of 
the production. Contrasting paint on the some of the mounts, possibly down 
scaled components, but basically the same specs.  I'll measure what i have 
and see. Thanks man

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet and 
> if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room for 
> fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a touch 
> small I would take the chance with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
> if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.
>
> PS - That is a beautiful bike. I stick by the Rambouillet/Romulus being 
> the best Riv bike made.  Close second to the Sauki
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:07:26 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow! Great advice, and a mind reader! I was just thinking the same thing. 
>> This is my first Riv and i love it! I just stumbled on it at a bike shop 
>> on consignment. Perhaps it won't be my last, as you suggest. I'm already 
>> rigging this bike up more than i probably should. (see photo) I really do 
>> need fenders though, and the pedal strike does concern me. Max 35's for the 
>> fenders? Or less?
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
>>> caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be a 
>>> pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
>>> calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
>>> already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
>>> Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need brake 
>>> hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 
>>>
>>> In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
>>> decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
>>> lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't meant 
>>> to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
>>> for. In my opinion!*
>>>
>>> *others may completely disagree with me
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about to 
 attempt the install. 
 My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would 
 clear with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of 
> that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember 
> the 
> clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a 
> stick 
> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great info, thank you!
>>> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed 
>>> on that one for sure!
>>> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore 
>>> that option. Thanks again!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a 
 Romulus was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 
 x 28 
 Ruffy Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom 
 brochure claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect 
 this 
 is 2003 information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 

 The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack 
 with the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at 
 mid-fork for the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but 
 they 
 work fine. Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the 
 fender 
 eyelet on the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the 
 fork 
 blade so you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the 
 blade. It's doable! 

 *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at 
 the brake bolts. 

 Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Is there an

[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Johnny Alien]

That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet and 
if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room for 
fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a touch 
small I would take the chance with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.

PS - That is a beautiful bike. I stick by the Rambouillet/Romulus being the 
best Riv bike made.  Close second to the Sauki

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:07:26 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow! Great advice, and a mind reader! I was just thinking the same thing. 
> This is my first Riv and i love it! I just stumbled on it at a bike shop 
> on consignment. Perhaps it won't be my last, as you suggest. I'm already 
> rigging this bike up more than i probably should. (see photo) I really do 
> need fenders though, and the pedal strike does concern me. Max 35's for the 
> fenders? Or less?
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
>> caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be a 
>> pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
>> calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
>> already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
>> Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need brake 
>> hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 
>>
>> In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
>> decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
>> lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't meant 
>> to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
>> for. In my opinion!*
>>
>> *others may completely disagree with me
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about to 
>>> attempt the install. 
>>> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would clear 
>>> with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of 
 that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember the 
 clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
 definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a stick 
 or rock stopping there. Yikes! 

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Good luck!
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great info, thank you!
>> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed 
>> on that one for sure!
>> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore 
>> that option. Thanks again!
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a 
>>> Romulus was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 
>>> 28 
>>> Ruffy Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom 
>>> brochure claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect 
>>> this 
>>> is 2003 information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>>>
>>> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with 
>>> the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at 
>>> mid-fork 
>>> for the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work 
>>> fine. 
>>> Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet 
>>> on 
>>> the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade 
>>> so 
>>> you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. 
>>> It's 
>>> doable! 
>>>
>>> *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at 
>>> the brake bolts. 
>>>
>>> Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with 
 vendors?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Second ride in our new locale, first ride for the Hunq

[JAS]

Ariel, you've got a cool Platypus!  Thanks for sharing the bike photos and 
images of the ride in your new area.  I sure like the touches of orange and 
gold on your bike!  

I guess the PlatyPose photo "throw down" has been issued, so I'll get busy 
with the camera.  

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:31:19 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> Leah says it best, but those are great photos. What a beautiful part of 
> the world to live in and enjoy by bicycle. 
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:25:14 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> You cool cat, you! These are great photos - and you are so right, the 
>> bikes look so unique together. I love this so much! And the new 
>> surroundings are gorgeous. I’m so jealous of that peaceful scenery and the 
>> fact that it must be cool enough to wear long sleeves and pants. It is 
>> triple digits here in Vegas and not going to let up anytime soon. 
>>
>> Thank you so much for the fun glimpse into your riding life. Your Platy 
>> looks great on you!
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2021, at 3:20 PM, Ariel Jiana Fenster  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:19:37 PM UTC-7 Ariel Jiana Fenster wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0542.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7 Ariel Jiana Fenster wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0522.jpeg]


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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Johnny Alien]

That's the same as a Rambouillet right? I ran Kojaks on my Rambouillet and 
if I remember that was a true 35 width.  There was for sure some room for 
fenders with them. If I thought that a 38 was going to run just a touch 
small I would take the change with fenders.  I probably would try it even 
if it measured a true 38.  But I often try dumb things.

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
> caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be a 
> pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
> calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
> already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
> Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need brake 
> hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 
>
> In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
> decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
> lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't meant 
> to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
> for. In my opinion!*
>
> *others may completely disagree with me
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about to 
>> attempt the install. 
>> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would clear 
>> with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of 
>>> that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember the 
>>> clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
>>> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a stick 
>>> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Good luck!

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Great info, thank you!
> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed 
> on that one for sure!
> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore that 
> option. Thanks again!
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a Romulus 
>> was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 28 Ruffy 
>> Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom brochure 
>> claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect this is 
>> 2003 
>> information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>>
>> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with 
>> the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at mid-fork 
>> for the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work 
>> fine. 
>> Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet on 
>> the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade 
>> so 
>> you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. 
>> It's 
>> doable! 
>>
>> *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at the 
>> brake bolts. 
>>
>> Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with 
>>> vendors?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[John Rinker]

Youch! I'm with Curtis- very painful to see this photo. 

So sorry this happened. I have what sounds like the same rear Thule rack, 
and from now on will double up the rubber straps with voile straps AND the 
fail-safe strap (and Gorilla tape!)

Good luck with the replacement.

John

On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 6:00:31 AM UTC+9 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Leah, yes there was certainly a risk of Susie hurting someone 
> physically. Thankfully this did not happen and in fact I don't think anyone 
> even ran it over. Cars were definitely swerving though.
>
> The bike was on a hitch rack that carries the top tube. The top tube was 
> held down by rubber straps with holes - look for Thule and you'll see 
> pictures of what I'm talking about. The straps were tight- I made double 
> sure of that. My mistake was not using a fail-safe strap for peace of 
> mind.  Actually it was my friend's rack and I know he feels bad (even 
> though it's not his fault). I believe that the force of the air on the 
> highway caused the straps to just get pulled off.
>
> Thanks for the advice, I'll plead to Will and see if they can do anything!
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
>> 1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a car 
>> behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at highway 
>> speeds could mortally wound you.
>>
>> 2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are 
>> probably things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from 
>> this experience to avoid the same situation. 
>>
>> Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for 
>> just such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the 
>>> accident.  I hope a replacement can be found.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Curtis 
>>> El Cajon, CA
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you 
 helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a 
 rack 
 at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life 
 and 
 limb and am trying to salvage what I can.

 I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!

 If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, 
 please PM me.

 Ben in ATL

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Joe Bernard]

Indeed, a fendered 650B conversion should work fine on that bike. Two 
caveats: 1. Rivs already have a low BB so the smaller wheel size could be a 
pedal-strike issue if you tend to pedal through turns. 2. Long-reach 
calipers like the Tektro R559 Riv sells won't work because that frame was 
already designed for mid-reach. You'll probably need a center-pull like 
Paul Racers or Dia-Compes. The added fun for this plan is you'll need brake 
hangers at the headset and seat lug (Riv sells them). 

In summary: Romulus is a great lightish-loads road bike that can take 
decently cushy tires, fenders and a small front rack, but you can go to a 
lot of time and trouble trying to make it something it really wasn't meant 
to be. There's other Rivs that might work better for what you're looking 
for. In my opinion!*

*others may completely disagree with me

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about to 
> attempt the install. 
> My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would clear 
> with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of 
>> that working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember the 
>> clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
>> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a stick 
>> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Great info, thank you!
 I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed on 
 that one for sure!
 No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore that 
 option. Thanks again!

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a Romulus 
> was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 28 Ruffy 
> Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom brochure 
> claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect this is 
> 2003 
> information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>
> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with 
> the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at mid-fork 
> for the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work 
> fine. 
> Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet on 
> the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade 
> so 
> you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. It's 
> doable! 
>
> *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at the 
> brake bolts. 
>
> Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with 
>> vendors?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Rick Urbanowski]

Dang! I'm glad you replied with that info so quick! I was just about to 
attempt the install. 
My long term plan is to convert this to 650B's. I think they would clear 
with that, so maybe I shouldn't return these just yet. Thoughts?

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:31:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of that 
> working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember the 
> clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
> definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a stick 
> or rock stopping there. Yikes! 
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Great info, thank you!
>>> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed on 
>>> that one for sure!
>>> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore that 
>>> option. Thanks again!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a Romulus 
 was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 28 Ruffy 
 Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom brochure 
 claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect this is 2003 
 information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 

 The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with 
 the center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at mid-fork 
 for the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work fine. 
 Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet on 
 the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade so 
 you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. It's 
 doable! 

 *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at the 
 brake bolts. 

 Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard

 On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with 
> vendors?



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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Joe Bernard]

Oh, I missed that you said 38. I don't think there's *any *chance of that 
working; it's the listed max size without fenders, and I remember the 
clearance under the fork and brake being u not a lot. Which is 
definitely not where you want your space dropping down to zero and a stick 
or rock stopping there. Yikes! 

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:25:23 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Good luck!
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great info, thank you!
>> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed on 
>> that one for sure!
>> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore that 
>> option. Thanks again!
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a Romulus 
>>> was my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 28 Ruffy 
>>> Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom brochure 
>>> claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect this is 2003 
>>> information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>>>
>>> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with the 
>>> center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at mid-fork for 
>>> the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work fine. 
>>> Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet on 
>>> the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade so 
>>> you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. It's 
>>> doable! 
>>>
>>> *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at the 
>>> brake bolts. 
>>>
>>> Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with vendors?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Second ride in our new locale, first ride for the Hunq

[Ian A]

Leah says it best, but those are great photos. What a beautiful part of the 
world to live in and enjoy by bicycle. 

IanA Alberta Canada

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:25:14 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> You cool cat, you! These are great photos - and you are so right, the 
> bikes look so unique together. I love this so much! And the new 
> surroundings are gorgeous. I’m so jealous of that peaceful scenery and the 
> fact that it must be cool enough to wear long sleeves and pants. It is 
> triple digits here in Vegas and not going to let up anytime soon. 
>
> Thank you so much for the fun glimpse into your riding life. Your Platy 
> looks great on you!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 13, 2021, at 3:20 PM, Ariel Jiana Fenster  
> wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Joe Bernard]

Good luck!

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great info, thank you!
> I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed on 
> that one for sure!
> No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore that 
> option. Thanks again!
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a Romulus was 
>> my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 28 Ruffy 
>> Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom brochure 
>> claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect this is 2003 
>> information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>>
>> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with the 
>> center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at mid-fork for 
>> the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work fine. 
>> Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet on 
>> the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade so 
>> you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. It's 
>> doable! 
>>
>> *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at the 
>> brake bolts. 
>>
>> Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard
>>
>> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with vendors?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Second ride in our new locale, first ride for the Hunq

[Leah Peterson]

You cool cat, you! These are great photos - and you are so right, the bikes 
look so unique together. I love this so much! And the new surroundings are 
gorgeous. I’m so jealous of that peaceful scenery and the fact that it must be 
cool enough to wear long sleeves and pants. It is triple digits here in Vegas 
and not going to let up anytime soon. 

Thank you so much for the fun glimpse into your riding life. Your Platy looks 
great on you!
Leah

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Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[Jared Wilson]

OUCH! I have someone looking at mine (blue, size L) in the morning, if for 
some reason it doesn't sell I'll send you a PM.

Jared

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 2:01:22 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Curtis
> Sorry for your loss. 
> Call Mack's Bike & Goods. 
> 847 877 8877 <(847)%20877-8877>.
> He might have a frame/ fork Available in your size.
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 2:24 PM Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>>
>> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the 
>> accident.  I hope a replacement can be found.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Curtis 
>> El Cajon, CA
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you 
>>> helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a rack 
>>> at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life and 
>>> limb and am trying to salvage what I can.
>>>
>>> I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
>>>
>>> If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, please 
>>> PM me.
>>>
>>> Ben in ATL
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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Rick Urbanowski]

Great info, thank you!
I will be attempting to put the fenders on 38's...so fingers crossed on 
that one for sure!
No canti here. I like the idea of the fender eyelet. I'll explore that 
option. Thanks again!

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 5:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a Romulus was 
> my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 28 Ruffy 
> Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom brochure 
> claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect this is 2003 
> information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 
>
> The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with the 
> center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at mid-fork for 
> the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work fine. 
> Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet on 
> the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade so 
> you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. It's 
> doable! 
>
> *If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at the 
> brake bolts. 
>
> Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with vendors?
>
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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Romulus?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes to both, although it can be a bit of a bodge (I did it, a Romulus was 
my first Riv). Fenders are an easy fit over the stock 700 x 28 Ruffy 
Tuffys, you have single eyelets front and rear for them. My Rom brochure 
claims you can do it with tires as big as 35mm, but I suspect this is 2003 
information when 700 x 35 Paselas were really more like 32. 

The front rack is where things get sticky. I used a Mark's Rack with the 
center-mount tongue behind the caliper brake* and clamps at mid-fork for 
the struts. Nobody likes using those fiddly clamps but they work fine. 
Alternatively you can try a long bolt and spacer at the fender eyelet on 
the dropout for longer rack struts. The eyelet is behind the fork blade so 
you'll need to set it up so the strut is spaced away from the blade. It's 
doable! 

*If you have a canti-Rom you have options for racks that mount at the brake 
bolts. 

Joe "wishes he'd taken pictures of this in 2003" Bernard

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> Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with vendors?

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[RBW] Re: Second ride in our new locale, first ride for the Hunq

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Ariel! Hi! I don’t see the photos, can you try one more time? I’m so 
looking forward to seeing your #PlatyPose. 
Leah

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-7 realgo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I have been meaning to put up a post to add my picture to the #RivSisters 
> posts of holding up their Platys and thought that I'd also include some 
> pictures from our last ride! We just moved to San Luis Obispo from Santa 
> Cruz at the beginning of July to start a business and have been trying to 
> get in some rides from the shop. This was our most recent ride a couple 
> days ago, and the first with Jared's newly assembled Hunqapillar. What a 
> snazzy bike it is! I think that it and my Platypus look very unique 
> together, and we both enjoy them so much, both aesthetically and in their 
> capabilities! 
>
> I hope that you all get in some nice rides this weekend! 
>
> Ariel 
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Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[Benjamin Park]

Hi Leah, yes there was certainly a risk of Susie hurting someone 
physically. Thankfully this did not happen and in fact I don't think anyone 
even ran it over. Cars were definitely swerving though.

The bike was on a hitch rack that carries the top tube. The top tube was 
held down by rubber straps with holes - look for Thule and you'll see 
pictures of what I'm talking about. The straps were tight- I made double 
sure of that. My mistake was not using a fail-safe strap for peace of 
mind.  Actually it was my friend's rack and I know he feels bad (even 
though it's not his fault). I believe that the force of the air on the 
highway caused the straps to just get pulled off.

Thanks for the advice, I'll plead to Will and see if they can do anything!

Ben

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:36:30 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
> 1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a car 
> behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at highway 
> speeds could mortally wound you.
>
> 2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are 
> probably things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from 
> this experience to avoid the same situation. 
>
> Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for just 
> such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.
>
> All the best,
> Leah
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>>
>> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the 
>> accident.  I hope a replacement can be found.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Curtis 
>> El Cajon, CA
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you 
>>> helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a rack 
>>> at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life and 
>>> limb and am trying to salvage what I can.
>>>
>>> I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
>>>
>>> If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, please 
>>> PM me.
>>>
>>> Ben in ATL
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Re: [RBW] RIP Susie Longbolts

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh, wow. Gulp. I have some questions, if the OP doesn’t mind me asking…
1. Was there risk of the Susie to coming through the windshield of a car 
behind you? I am SO glad no one was hurt. A Susie coming at you at highway 
speeds could mortally wound you.

2. What went wrong that the bike came free from the rack? There are 
probably things that other people (I’m looking at me!) might learn from 
this experience to avoid the same situation. 

Oh, and do call Riv and see if they have a frame in the warehouse for just 
such a thing. They have held frames for sentinel events in the past.

All the best,
Leah

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Ben,
>
> That picture is so painful to view.  So sorry to hear about the accident.  
> I hope a replacement can be found.
>
> Take care,
> Curtis 
> El Cajon, CA
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 12:09 PM Benjamin Park  wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0839.jpeg]My dear friend Susie Longbolts, whom many of you 
>> helped guide me to purchase, passed away suddenly after she fell off a rack 
>> at highway speed. I did manage to grab her off the highway risking life and 
>> limb and am trying to salvage what I can.
>>
>> I'm just bummed out- I loved that bike!
>>
>> If any of you want to sell yours, or know of one that's for sale, please 
>> PM me.
>>
>> Ben in ATL
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags, racks, camping gear, brakes, handlebars

[maxcr]

Apologies Addison, but someone beat you by a few minutes. Unless the sale 
doesn't happen, they're gone - I'll let you know if they become available 
again.

Update on the list, plus a couple of new items:

*Bags and Racks*

Nigel Smythe Country Saddlebag, used but in good condition. I love this 
bag. It’s not huge but fits a lot of stuff and has a great open/close 
mechanism that works really well (better than leather strap and buckle) - 
$150

Older Hub Area Rack (without hoop) plus two modified Hub Area Bags in Gray. 
The bags belonged to James at Analog, the original attachment to the rack 
is gone, they are used and you can tel. He added a leather strap and a 
bungee loop to better attach them to the rack - $200

Saddlesack Medium (Olive), used but in good shape - $180 (spoken for)

Sackville TrunkSack Small (Olive). I might have installed it once, but 
never used it - $100

Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers, Pair in (Gray) New in box - $135

Fabio's Chest XPAC (Black/gray) - Never installed - $250 (spoken for)

Nitto Campee Back Rack (I think it’s a 33R) - $185

Tubus Fly - $50

Axion front hub racks - $20

Nitto Saddlebag wire guard (new, never installed) - $45 (spoken for)


*Camping Gear:*

Hilleberg Enan (bought it used and never pitched it). It’s red and if I 
remember correctly there were a few pegs missing - $500

Gransfors Bruk Mini Hatchet 410, barely used - $100

Sinewave usb charger never installed - $100 SOLD

Therm-a-rest NeoAir XLite Regular, Marigold - $100

*Parts *

Tektro brakes R559 new in box - $40 SOLD

Nitto Noodle Handlebar 46cm? H.T? - $50

Stems: I have a few stems that I need to catalogue, I'll post them here in 
a bit, but let me know if you're looking for one.
Rivendell Miesha's cork grips (I bought these from Ant but never used them, 
so passing along) - $30
2 unused Riv cork grips for bar end shifters, each w/ 2 coats of amber 
shellac (perfectly matches a dark brown Brooks). Throwing in a third 
matching cork grip (Used but in great condition, just needs some amber 
shellac and you've got a perfect back up)

Kickstand - Single Leg - Pletscher, Touring (new) - $35
On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Max, is that a bike's worth of r559's or a wheel's worth? I'll take 
> 'em if it's a bike's worth! 
> -Addison, drowning in apostrophes in Sacramento
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> I'm on a downsizing mood so I'm selling a bunch of Rivy things that I 
>> hope can find good use with one of you. I will be posting at least one if 
>> not two bikes for sale in the next few days as well, here's the teaser: My 
>> Custom Road and either the 61 Waterford AHH or the 61 Toyo Atlantis. 
>>
>> Anyway, here it goes. I'll post photos this weekend
>>
>> All prices are PayPal Friends and Family plus shipping unless you want to 
>> pick up locally in Boston. 
>>
>> *Bags and Racks*
>>
>> Older Hub Area Rack (without hoop) plus two modified Hub Area Bags in 
>> Gray. The bags belonged to James at Analog, the original attachment to the 
>> rack is gone, they are used and you can tel. He added a leather strap and a 
>> bungee loop to better attach them to the rack - $200
>>
>> Saddlesack Medium (Olive), used but in good shape - $180
>>
>> Sackville TrunkSack Small (Olive). I might have installed it once, but 
>> never used it - $100
>>
>> Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers, Pair in (Gray) New in box - $135
>>
>> Fabio's Chest XPAC (Black/gray) - Never installed - $250
>>
>> Nitto Campee Back Rack (I think it’s a 33R) - $185
>>
>> Tubus Fly - $50
>>
>> Axion front hub racks - $20
>>
>> Nitto Saddlebag wire guard (new, never installed) - $45
>>
>>
>> *Camping Gear:*
>>
>> Hilleberg Enan (bought it used and never pitched it). It’s red and if I 
>> remember correctly there were a few pegs missing - $500
>>
>> Gransfors Bruk Mini Hatchet 410, barely used - $100
>>
>> Sinewave usb charger never installed - $100
>>
>>
>> *Parts *
>>
>> Tektro brakes R559 new in box - $40
>>
>> Nitto Noodle Handlebar 46cm? H.T? - $50
>>
>> Stems: I have a few stems that I need to catalogue, I'll post them here 
>> in a bit, but let me know if you're looking for one.
>>
>>
>> Max
>> Feeling uneasy about letting go
>>
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Re: [RBW] Clem L frames live 3et 8/12/21

[Joe Bernard]

When I looked at 12:10 pst the only size left was 64 in both colors (don't 
know how many frames). 15 minutes later there was ONE blue 64! 



On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 6:11:02 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That might be true. I know that there were 45 frames and there will be 99 
> completes so the odds are a little higher for the potential buyer. I am 
> shocked that they sold out that fast.  Was the entire shipment sold out 
> that quickly or just some sizes and colors. I do see there is still a large 
> frame left.  Did anyone here that wanted one manage to get one?
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:54:26 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> I think the completes will sell out just as fast except for the largest 
>> size. The bike market has been forever changed because of the pandemic. It 
>> is going to take 5 years for the supply chain to adjust to a 10% increase 
>> in world wide demand. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 1:34:04 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The completes are in September.  They might be an easier grab than just 
>>> the frame. Maybe you can grab one and swap parts and sell whatever is 
>>> extra? It is such a crazy market. I know that Rivendell doesn't like it any 
>>> more than we do.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:59:14 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>>
 For the record, I am holding out for a miracle. No parts are up for 
 grabs yet. It would be a Velocity wheel set, Silver crank, silver deore 
 9sp 
 RD, and a cassette for now. 

 On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:52:54 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> Andrew, what parts were you hoarding for it? I snagged a 64 Lime Olive 
> and have pretty much everything I need but might want some different bars 
> than I had in mind (was gonna use the Wavies from my Cheviot but 
> something 
> with a little more backsweep might be better). Also have a friend looking 
> for a bunch of parts. LMK!
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:44:23 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> I immediately called Riv in shock. I was to the second and I just 
>> can't believe the cart doesn't hold an item for 20 seconds to finalize. 
>> I 
>> also called some dealers and was told that no dealer has any. I would 
>> love 
>> to be proved wrong. The second issue is it seems dealers only will sell 
>> if 
>> you do a build thru them. Since I already have a ton of parts i've 
>> bought, 
>> it wouldn't make financial sense. 
>> COVID sucks big time
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:40:35 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew, call the dealers!!!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Andrew Huston <
>>> firsttolast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Truly unbelievable. Gone in less than a minute I think. I so badly 
>>> wanted a lime olive and had it in cart to the last button click, then 
>>> poof. 
>>> Gone. 
>>>
>>> If anyone is sourcing parts I have a nice heap that seem to be 
>>> useless now. 
>>> Really hoping for a miracle. Let me know if you bought one and 
>>> change your mind. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 5:07:10 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I fell in love with my blue Clem all over again when I took it on 
 vacation and rode it all over the north. It’s just such a good bike. 
 So 
 comfortable and stretched out. I do love a Platypus, that’s for sure, 
 but 
 the Clem is just special in its own right. I hope the changes made 
 were 
 good ones (they will be) and that the people who most want these bikes 
 and 
 will ride them are the ones who will a Clem on the day of the sale.

 The recent edition of Calling In Sick, Clem L edition really makes 
 a person extra glad to own a Clem. 
 Leah

 On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 5:34:43 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I have the following rim braked 650B Rivendells: 
>
> 1. Custom,  
> 2. small Hubbuhubbuh,  
> 3. 52 Bombadil,  
> 4. 52 Clementine,  
> 5. Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte,  
> 6. medium Rosco Baby  
> 7. Keven's Cargo Bike. 
>
> They use a mix of VO, Velocity Quill, Velocity Atlas, Velocity 
> Cliffhanger, and Alex rims. 36, 40 and 48 hole
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 8:16:44 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Maybe eventually, but there's a ton of Riv models running them 
>> and they sell the wheels. My custom and Susie are rim-brake 650B. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 5:13:23 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote

Re: [RBW] Clem L frames live 3et 8/12/21

[Slowmotionpony]

I watched my time go from 1:59 cst to 2:00 refreshed my page was already 
logged in put a 59 lime olive into my cart went to pay and, sold out. 
Really talking like 30 seconds if that, crazy, guess it wasn’t meant to be. 
Curious how much quicker you had to be and how? 

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 8:11:02 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That might be true. I know that there were 45 frames and there will be 99 
> completes so the odds are a little higher for the potential buyer. I am 
> shocked that they sold out that fast.  Was the entire shipment sold out 
> that quickly or just some sizes and colors. I do see there is still a large 
> frame left.  Did anyone here that wanted one manage to get one?
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:54:26 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> I think the completes will sell out just as fast except for the largest 
>> size. The bike market has been forever changed because of the pandemic. It 
>> is going to take 5 years for the supply chain to adjust to a 10% increase 
>> in world wide demand. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 1:34:04 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The completes are in September.  They might be an easier grab than just 
>>> the frame. Maybe you can grab one and swap parts and sell whatever is 
>>> extra? It is such a crazy market. I know that Rivendell doesn't like it any 
>>> more than we do.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:59:14 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>>
 For the record, I am holding out for a miracle. No parts are up for 
 grabs yet. It would be a Velocity wheel set, Silver crank, silver deore 
 9sp 
 RD, and a cassette for now. 

 On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:52:54 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> Andrew, what parts were you hoarding for it? I snagged a 64 Lime Olive 
> and have pretty much everything I need but might want some different bars 
> than I had in mind (was gonna use the Wavies from my Cheviot but 
> something 
> with a little more backsweep might be better). Also have a friend looking 
> for a bunch of parts. LMK!
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:44:23 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> I immediately called Riv in shock. I was to the second and I just 
>> can't believe the cart doesn't hold an item for 20 seconds to finalize. 
>> I 
>> also called some dealers and was told that no dealer has any. I would 
>> love 
>> to be proved wrong. The second issue is it seems dealers only will sell 
>> if 
>> you do a build thru them. Since I already have a ton of parts i've 
>> bought, 
>> it wouldn't make financial sense. 
>> COVID sucks big time
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:40:35 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew, call the dealers!!!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Andrew Huston <
>>> firsttolast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Truly unbelievable. Gone in less than a minute I think. I so badly 
>>> wanted a lime olive and had it in cart to the last button click, then 
>>> poof. 
>>> Gone. 
>>>
>>> If anyone is sourcing parts I have a nice heap that seem to be 
>>> useless now. 
>>> Really hoping for a miracle. Let me know if you bought one and 
>>> change your mind. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 5:07:10 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I fell in love with my blue Clem all over again when I took it on 
 vacation and rode it all over the north. It’s just such a good bike. 
 So 
 comfortable and stretched out. I do love a Platypus, that’s for sure, 
 but 
 the Clem is just special in its own right. I hope the changes made 
 were 
 good ones (they will be) and that the people who most want these bikes 
 and 
 will ride them are the ones who will a Clem on the day of the sale.

 The recent edition of Calling In Sick, Clem L edition really makes 
 a person extra glad to own a Clem. 
 Leah

 On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 5:34:43 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I have the following rim braked 650B Rivendells: 
>
> 1. Custom,  
> 2. small Hubbuhubbuh,  
> 3. 52 Bombadil,  
> 4. 52 Clementine,  
> 5. Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte,  
> 6. medium Rosco Baby  
> 7. Keven's Cargo Bike. 
>
> They use a mix of VO, Velocity Quill, Velocity Atlas, Velocity 
> Cliffhanger, and Alex rims. 36, 40 and 48 hole
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 8:16:44 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Maybe eventually, but there's a ton of Riv models running them 
>> and they sell the wheels. My custom and Susie 

[RBW] Re: Next Upgrade for "Michigan Man": a front rack

[Miles]

Hey Bill!

I’ve been curious about how this build turned out since you first mentioned 
it. Care to share a photo?

- Miles, a former Michigander who will be visiting at the end of the month

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:01:38 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:

>  I'm in the same boat.  I would look at the Velo Orange Flat Pack Rack.  
> I'm not 100% sure how/if the VO rack would work with the top-of-fork-crown 
> mounts, though.  Has anyone tried it?
> https://velo-orange.com/products/flat-pack-randonneur-rack
>
> The Surly 8-pack rack would likely work.  I emailed them and they 
> confirmed that it would fit the Platypus fork (same as Appaloosa?). It's 
> NOT much of a looker, though
> https://surlybikes.com/parts/8_pack_rack
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike shop recs sought

[care...@hotmail.com]

While not a Riv shop, Bikenetic in Falls Church is a great shop.  They work 
on Rivs, Crusts, etc., so there's usually fun stuff to look at.  Falls 
Church has the added benefit of being lousy with good coffee--Rare Bird 
Roasters, Cafe Kindred, North Side Social...The Rapha shop in Georgetown is 
cool--they have a good coffee bar in the shop.  Man, I must want a cup of 
coffee.

Enjoy your trip.

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 11:46:28 AM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Hey all,
> I will be in DC and the Alexandria, VA area for a few days next week. Any 
> good bike shops/Riv dealers I should visit? Bolster my tee shirt collection?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv/Outershell camera strap

[Gabriel DeFelippis]

How much?

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 11:55:59 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> apologies for multiple sale posts today. forgot to include this in the 
> other thread. Selling the Rivendell version of outershell's camera strap. I 
> think they only made a small batch of these. Works well, but I dont shoot 
> enough with a real camera to make this worth it. Its kind of a cool grayish 
> color.
> info HERE 
>
> pic HERE 
>

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Large, Nitto Big Rack Large, Backabike Bags

[care...@hotmail.com]

Hope everyone is well.
  
I'd like to sell a blue Sackville bag (w/the kangaroo pocket) for $150 plus 
shipping.  I used it only a handful of times.  I'd like $150 for the rack 
(33R).  The rack is also lightly used.  Finally, I'm selling two khaki 
colored Backabike bags--the older model which uses two Irish straps--for 
$150.  I bought them from another RBW member in 2019 and used them maybe 
four times.

Best,

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike shop recs sought

[Nat Lichten]

Gearin' Up Bikes on Rhode Island Ave is a co-op with a great mission,
enthusiastic young workers/volunteers and a fun vibe. They tend to have an
interesting assortment of used bikes/parts and occasionally a good find for
cheap (were my go-to source for 7&8 spd XT when I lived in DC).

http://gearinupbicycles.org/

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 10:19 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> I was hoping to read Steve P.'s rec.
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 10:46:28 AM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>> I will be in DC and the Alexandria, VA area for a few days next week. Any
>> good bike shops/Riv dealers I should visit? Bolster my tee shirt collection?
>
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[RBW] Atlantis and Sequoias for sale

[Joe in the Pay Area]

I'm the friend that Rich Lesnik has posted about a lot of bikes that need 
to be "cleared out" and sold. Please respond to me off-group and I'll get 
back to you as best I can.

The seapuke green Atlantis is nominally a 60cm, complete except for brakes. 
I have a n-o-s 60cm Sequoia (there were no '61' cm Sequoias), a 3Rensho 
frameset and 2 62cm Sequoias, one a sorta n-o-s. The second 62 Sequoia is 
mostly complete but in "rough shape," nothing a good cleaning and tune-up 
wouldn't solve (but if you're looking for a candidate as a museum piece, 
this ain't it).

Other bikes being considered for "gone" are a DeRosa, a Masi, a '93 XO-1 
and several Expeditions, mostly 60s but also a 49 and a 54. To say the 
least, it's a helluva fleet. Also an '85 Trek 720 (maroon), an almost n-o-s 
'85 Trek 620 ( a beautiful sparkly deep blue), and a n-o-s Miyata 1000 (the 
"sort-of gray-green color, with Deerheads).

I ride a 60cm 1984 Expedition and a 1980 Trek 738, so unless noted, that's 
the size they are.

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[RBW] WTB 26" wheelset

[Benjamin Park]

Hi folks looking for a 26" wheelset for a new project, if anyone has any 
leads. Thanks! Ben

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[RBW] Re: Susie in a downhill bike park

[Benjamin Park]

Yes Robert I agree, the bike park is all groomed berms and jumps. Many 
trails are surprisingly smooth that I could take nearly any bike down. Some 
of the black diamonds were fairly rough, however, but I suspect the expert 
rating was more due to the steepness than the technical nature.

While in Park City I did also take the Susie on the Wasatch Crest IMBA epic 
trail, which was much more technical and quite rocky. Got mostly positive 
comments by folks on this trail- many were incredulous that someone would 
do "the spine" on a rigid fork bike. What a great ride that was. I got a 
few "nice Rivendell!" comments too.

I agree with you Robert that the culture is very much on the "bro" side of 
things, but overbiking is such a thing everywhere these days, as far as I 
have seen.

-Ben

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 10:49:35 PM UTC-4 Robert Hakim wrote:

> Not to downplay your accomplishment at all- I always found the riding at 
> Park City and Deer Valley to be pretty groomed. I used to get similar "Good 
> Luck Buddie" comments riding my old ridged 29er there too, but never really 
> found any trails in that immediate region that were uncomfortably 
> challenging. 
>
> If anything the bros are all completely overbiking the whole place, but 
> such is the mountain biking culture in that area.
>
> I hope you keep turning heads on all of the trails!
> -Robert 
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:53:35 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
>> Yes, I too would have loved to see a video of this.
>>
>> I enjoy riding my Susie on fire roads and such, but no downhill riding 
>> plans though.  This's bike is probably a little safer for such rides than a 
>> typical MTB, I think
>>
>> On Monday, 19 July 2021 at 23:03:23 UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This reminds me of the guy who took his Jones bike to a bike park: 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEMnTtV7v0&t=3s
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:48:30 PM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
 I would have loved to see that. 
 I would subscribe to your YouTube channel!

 Philip
 Santa Rosa, Ca 

 On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:50:45 PM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thought folks might be interested in my recent experience taking my 
> Susie to Deer Valley lift-serviced downhill bike park.  Overall it was 
> highly enjoyable despite dealing with ridiculous bros.
>
> Got a ton of looks and comments, ranging from very positive ("Right 
> on!", "Old school!", "Love it!") to puzzled and dismissive ("good luck, 
> buddy").
>
> She handled great! I don't ride downhill hardly ever, but she was 
> super balanced even on the black diamond stuff that the bros were tearing 
> down. I was able to keep up with my friends who were basically riding 
> soft 
> dually suspended pillows. I found my Tosco bars to be perfect for the 
> descents, and my 2.5" Terravail's at 10psi to be enough to absorb a lot 
> of 
> the bumps and grippy in tight corners.
>
> I was a little nervous about how she would do on some fairly gnarly 
> terrain and she was great.  Not looking to spend too much time at bike 
> parks, but good to know she is up for the challenge if I do.
>


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[RBW] Front rack for Romulus?

[Rick Urbanowski]

Is there any way to mount a front rack on my Romulus along with vendors?

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[RBW] Second ride in our new locale, first ride for the Hunq

[Ariel Jiana Fenster]

Hey All,

I have been meaning to put up a post to add my picture to the #RivSisters 
posts of holding up their Platys and thought that I'd also include some 
pictures from our last ride! We just moved to San Luis Obispo from Santa 
Cruz at the beginning of July to start a business and have been trying to 
get in some rides from the shop. This was our most recent ride a couple 
days ago, and the first with Jared's newly assembled Hunqapillar. What a 
snazzy bike it is! I think that it and my Platypus look very unique 
together, and we both enjoy them so much, both aesthetically and in their 
capabilities! 

I hope that you all get in some nice rides this weekend! 

Ariel 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadeo or Roadini 58 to 61 or so

[Joe Bernard]

Indeed, Riv sizing can get quite confusing because they're still labeling 
them according to seattube length. In this crazy modern world of sloping 
toptubes an older 54cm Atlantis fits like a newer 51cm, rendering sizing by 
seattube the wrong way to go. The trick is to look - as you subsequently 
did - at geometry charts and pick a frame whose reach works for you. 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:53:02 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> But wouldn't size wise the 61 correlate to the effective height, as 
> opposed to the actual height of the shorter seattube?
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:40:19 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The way to think of it is two road frames with about the same reach or 
>> effective toptube, but the Roadeo has a flat tube reaching back to a taller 
>> seattube and the Roadini has a toptube that drops down to a shorter 
>> seattube. It's actually a downslope, not upslope. 
>>
>> For instance to correlate to my height: I would ride a 53 or 55 cm Roadeo 
>> and a 50 cm Roadini. Similar reach to the bars, but I would have more 
>> standover clearance on the Roadini. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Explain your decision to size down to me, please. Educate me. I had been 
>>> toying with the idea of a 61cm Roadini-- pbh 91. Wouldn't the upslope make 
>>> you think larger size as effective reach would be shorter? Help me out on 
>>> this, honest question. Doesn't have to be Adam if someone else knows the 
>>> answer.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:50:52 PM UTC-4 Adam Kimball wrote:
>>>
 Quick correction - Looking for a 57 Roadini.  I didn't realize how much 
 upslope the top tube has.  A 61 Roadeo would still interest me though!

 Thanks,
 Adam

 On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 9:09:02 PM UTC-6 Adam Kimball wrote:

> Ideally a complete.  And ideally orange.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> The orange is the fastest one.
>
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:27:04 PM UTC-4 Jingy wrote:
>
>> Are you looking for a complete or a frameset?
>> I have a 61 Orange Roadini that I have been seriously considering 
>> moving along.
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-5 Adam Kimball wrote:
>>
>>> Title says it all and I know it's a bit of a long shot. But if you 
>>> have a *clean* bike somewhere between 58-61cm, let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Adam
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags, racks, camping gear, brakes, handlebars

[Addison Quarles]

Hey Max, is that a bike's worth of r559's or a wheel's worth? I'll take 'em 
if it's a bike's worth! 
-Addison, drowning in apostrophes in Sacramento

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I'm on a downsizing mood so I'm selling a bunch of Rivy things that I hope 
> can find good use with one of you. I will be posting at least one if not 
> two bikes for sale in the next few days as well, here's the teaser: My 
> Custom Road and either the 61 Waterford AHH or the 61 Toyo Atlantis. 
>
> Anyway, here it goes. I'll post photos this weekend
>
> All prices are PayPal Friends and Family plus shipping unless you want to 
> pick up locally in Boston. 
>
> *Bags and Racks*
>
> Older Hub Area Rack (without hoop) plus two modified Hub Area Bags in 
> Gray. The bags belonged to James at Analog, the original attachment to the 
> rack is gone, they are used and you can tel. He added a leather strap and a 
> bungee loop to better attach them to the rack - $200
>
> Saddlesack Medium (Olive), used but in good shape - $180
>
> Sackville TrunkSack Small (Olive). I might have installed it once, but 
> never used it - $100
>
> Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers, Pair in (Gray) New in box - $135
>
> Fabio's Chest XPAC (Black/gray) - Never installed - $250
>
> Nitto Campee Back Rack (I think it’s a 33R) - $185
>
> Tubus Fly - $50
>
> Axion front hub racks - $20
>
> Nitto Saddlebag wire guard (new, never installed) - $45
>
>
> *Camping Gear:*
>
> Hilleberg Enan (bought it used and never pitched it). It’s red and if I 
> remember correctly there were a few pegs missing - $500
>
> Gransfors Bruk Mini Hatchet 410, barely used - $100
>
> Sinewave usb charger never installed - $100
>
>
> *Parts *
>
> Tektro brakes R559 new in box - $40
>
> Nitto Noodle Handlebar 46cm? H.T? - $50
>
> Stems: I have a few stems that I need to catalogue, I'll post them here in 
> a bit, but let me know if you're looking for one.
>
>
> Max
> Feeling uneasy about letting go
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Matthew P]

Nice Nick and Joe! Thats great info. -Matthew

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 5:19:50 am UTC+10 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn difference, 
>> lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, the widths 
>> are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here: 
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to 
>> travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying 
>> within the confines of friction shifting.
>
>
> Actually, no. The Shimano MTB freehub body ramains the same width, but 
> from 11s onwards the cassette is 1.85mm wider - the largest cog on a 
> 11-speed MTB cassette overhangs on the inside so that it can fit on the 
> shorter body. So the derailleur has to be able to travel that extra 1.85mm 
> sideways to shift across an 11s cassette. Shimano 11s road hubs have a 
> freehub body with splines that are 1.85mm longer than their 11-speed MTB 
> hubs - because the smaller largest cog on most road cassettes doesn't allow 
> the cassette to overhang on the inside without the derailleur fouling the 
> spokes in the smallest gear. The exception on their 11s road cassettes are 
> the HG-800 and HG-700 11-34 cassettes, where the largest cog is big enough 
> that it can overhang ok, so those cassettes will fit on an 8/9/10 freehub.
>
> Not that the extra throw required causes a problem in real life. I've used 
> a Deore XT 7s RD on a 9s cassette, and 9/10s RDs with 11s cassettes, and 
> they've had no problem shifting across the entire cassette. And on the SRAM 
> side, it's their 10s MTB derailleurs (usually labelled "Exact Actuation") 
> that are compatible with their 11s road shifters, if you want to run 11s 
> indexed on a drop bar bike with a wide range cassette.
>
> Nick
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[RBW] FS: Bags, racks, camping gear, brakes, handlebars

[maxcr]

I'm on a downsizing mood so I'm selling a bunch of Rivy things that I hope 
can find good use with one of you. I will be posting at least one if not 
two bikes for sale in the next few days as well, here's the teaser: My 
Custom Road and either the 61 Waterford AHH or the 61 Toyo Atlantis. 

Anyway, here it goes. I'll post photos this weekend

All prices are PayPal Friends and Family plus shipping unless you want to 
pick up locally in Boston. 

*Bags and Racks*

Older Hub Area Rack (without hoop) plus two modified Hub Area Bags in Gray. 
The bags belonged to James at Analog, the original attachment to the rack 
is gone, they are used and you can tel. He added a leather strap and a 
bungee loop to better attach them to the rack - $200

Saddlesack Medium (Olive), used but in good shape - $180

Sackville TrunkSack Small (Olive). I might have installed it once, but 
never used it - $100

Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers, Pair in (Gray) New in box - $135

Fabio's Chest XPAC (Black/gray) - Never installed - $250

Nitto Campee Back Rack (I think it’s a 33R) - $185

Tubus Fly - $50

Axion front hub racks - $20

Nitto Saddlebag wire guard (new, never installed) - $45


*Camping Gear:*

Hilleberg Enan (bought it used and never pitched it). It’s red and if I 
remember correctly there were a few pegs missing - $500

Gransfors Bruk Mini Hatchet 410, barely used - $100

Sinewave usb charger never installed - $100


*Parts *

Tektro brakes R559 new in box - $40

Nitto Noodle Handlebar 46cm? H.T? - $50

Stems: I have a few stems that I need to catalogue, I'll post them here in 
a bit, but let me know if you're looking for one.


Max
Feeling uneasy about letting go

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[RBW] WTT-/WTB 64cm Clem L Lime Olive (Longshot)

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Missed out on frame but have several jumbo FFHSBB Riv’s I would take a Lime 
Olive 64 cm Clem L towards.
3 options:
Large Susie Like new condition $1650
64cm Bombadil  in Grey and Kidney Red $1900
68cm Atlantis with S&S couplers  $1600/ $1800 w/new travel case

Contact me for pictures at:
(616)928-4226

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
Muskegon, MI

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Re: [RBW] Clem L frames live 3et 8/12/21

[Johnny Alien]

That might be true. I know that there were 45 frames and there will be 99 
completes so the odds are a little higher for the potential buyer. I am 
shocked that they sold out that fast.  Was the entire shipment sold out 
that quickly or just some sizes and colors. I do see there is still a large 
frame left.  Did anyone here that wanted one manage to get one?

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:54:26 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:

> I think the completes will sell out just as fast except for the largest 
> size. The bike market has been forever changed because of the pandemic. It 
> is going to take 5 years for the supply chain to adjust to a 10% increase 
> in world wide demand. 
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 1:34:04 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The completes are in September.  They might be an easier grab than just 
>> the frame. Maybe you can grab one and swap parts and sell whatever is 
>> extra? It is such a crazy market. I know that Rivendell doesn't like it any 
>> more than we do.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:59:14 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>> For the record, I am holding out for a miracle. No parts are up for 
>>> grabs yet. It would be a Velocity wheel set, Silver crank, silver deore 9sp 
>>> RD, and a cassette for now. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:52:54 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
 Andrew, what parts were you hoarding for it? I snagged a 64 Lime Olive 
 and have pretty much everything I need but might want some different bars 
 than I had in mind (was gonna use the Wavies from my Cheviot but something 
 with a little more backsweep might be better). Also have a friend looking 
 for a bunch of parts. LMK!

 On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:44:23 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I immediately called Riv in shock. I was to the second and I just 
> can't believe the cart doesn't hold an item for 20 seconds to finalize. I 
> also called some dealers and was told that no dealer has any. I would 
> love 
> to be proved wrong. The second issue is it seems dealers only will sell 
> if 
> you do a build thru them. Since I already have a ton of parts i've 
> bought, 
> it wouldn't make financial sense. 
> COVID sucks big time
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:40:35 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Andrew, call the dealers!!!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Andrew Huston  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Truly unbelievable. Gone in less than a minute I think. I so badly 
>> wanted a lime olive and had it in cart to the last button click, then 
>> poof. 
>> Gone. 
>>
>> If anyone is sourcing parts I have a nice heap that seem to be 
>> useless now. 
>> Really hoping for a miracle. Let me know if you bought one and change 
>> your mind. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 5:07:10 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I fell in love with my blue Clem all over again when I took it on 
>>> vacation and rode it all over the north. It’s just such a good bike. So 
>>> comfortable and stretched out. I do love a Platypus, that’s for sure, 
>>> but 
>>> the Clem is just special in its own right. I hope the changes made were 
>>> good ones (they will be) and that the people who most want these bikes 
>>> and 
>>> will ride them are the ones who will a Clem on the day of the sale.
>>>
>>> The recent edition of Calling In Sick, Clem L edition really makes a 
>>> person extra glad to own a Clem. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 5:34:43 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I have the following rim braked 650B Rivendells: 

 1. Custom,  
 2. small Hubbuhubbuh,  
 3. 52 Bombadil,  
 4. 52 Clementine,  
 5. Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte,  
 6. medium Rosco Baby  
 7. Keven's Cargo Bike. 

 They use a mix of VO, Velocity Quill, Velocity Atlas, Velocity 
 Cliffhanger, and Alex rims. 36, 40 and 48 hole

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 8:16:44 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Maybe eventually, but there's a ton of Riv models running them and 
> they sell the wheels. My custom and Susie are rim-brake 650B. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 5:13:23 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> That’s a weird choice. Rim brake 650b wheels are pretty tough to 
>> find. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Get em! The 45cm is 650B now and that LimeOlive is sweet! 
>>>
>>> Joe "don't need, still want" Bernard
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadeo or Roadini 58 to 61 or so

[Yankeebird]

The effective reach on my 60cm Surly CC is 60.0, the 61cm Roadini almost 
the same, 5mm bigger. The CC is a smidge too long for me, the height is 
good, but my T-Rex arms needed a new fork with uncut steerer tube and the 
shortest highest adjustable stem I could find at the time and it was never 
quite right. Interesting. The seat tube lengths seem to comparable between 
the two, as do the angles. Very similar bikes... interesting!  

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:57:21 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> OH I see I just went to the geometry page for the 61 and it's 62 to the 
> top of the tube... ok gotcha. So the 61 is a pretty decent size bike, even 
> for me.
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:53:02 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> But wouldn't size wise the 61 correlate to the effective height, as 
>> opposed to the actual height of the shorter seattube?
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:40:19 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The way to think of it is two road frames with about the same reach or 
>>> effective toptube, but the Roadeo has a flat tube reaching back to a taller 
>>> seattube and the Roadini has a toptube that drops down to a shorter 
>>> seattube. It's actually a downslope, not upslope. 
>>>
>>> For instance to correlate to my height: I would ride a 53 or 55 cm 
>>> Roadeo and a 50 cm Roadini. Similar reach to the bars, but I would have 
>>> more standover clearance on the Roadini. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 Explain your decision to size down to me, please. Educate me. I had 
 been toying with the idea of a 61cm Roadini-- pbh 91. Wouldn't the upslope 
 make you think larger size as effective reach would be shorter? Help me 
 out 
 on this, honest question. Doesn't have to be Adam if someone else knows 
 the 
 answer.

 On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:50:52 PM UTC-4 Adam Kimball wrote:

> Quick correction - Looking for a 57 Roadini.  I didn't realize how 
> much upslope the top tube has.  A 61 Roadeo would still interest me 
> though!
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 9:09:02 PM UTC-6 Adam Kimball wrote:
>
>> Ideally a complete.  And ideally orange.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>> The orange is the fastest one.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:27:04 PM UTC-4 Jingy wrote:
>>
>>> Are you looking for a complete or a frameset?
>>> I have a 61 Orange Roadini that I have been seriously considering 
>>> moving along.
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-5 Adam Kimball wrote:
>>>
 Title says it all and I know it's a bit of a long shot. But if you 
 have a *clean* bike somewhere between 58-61cm, let me know.

 Thanks!
 Adam

>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadeo or Roadini 58 to 61 or so

[Yankeebird]

OH I see I just went to the geometry page for the 61 and it's 62 to the top 
of the tube... ok gotcha. So the 61 is a pretty decent size bike, even for 
me.

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:53:02 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> But wouldn't size wise the 61 correlate to the effective height, as 
> opposed to the actual height of the shorter seattube?
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:40:19 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The way to think of it is two road frames with about the same reach or 
>> effective toptube, but the Roadeo has a flat tube reaching back to a taller 
>> seattube and the Roadini has a toptube that drops down to a shorter 
>> seattube. It's actually a downslope, not upslope. 
>>
>> For instance to correlate to my height: I would ride a 53 or 55 cm Roadeo 
>> and a 50 cm Roadini. Similar reach to the bars, but I would have more 
>> standover clearance on the Roadini. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Explain your decision to size down to me, please. Educate me. I had been 
>>> toying with the idea of a 61cm Roadini-- pbh 91. Wouldn't the upslope make 
>>> you think larger size as effective reach would be shorter? Help me out on 
>>> this, honest question. Doesn't have to be Adam if someone else knows the 
>>> answer.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:50:52 PM UTC-4 Adam Kimball wrote:
>>>
 Quick correction - Looking for a 57 Roadini.  I didn't realize how much 
 upslope the top tube has.  A 61 Roadeo would still interest me though!

 Thanks,
 Adam

 On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 9:09:02 PM UTC-6 Adam Kimball wrote:

> Ideally a complete.  And ideally orange.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> The orange is the fastest one.
>
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:27:04 PM UTC-4 Jingy wrote:
>
>> Are you looking for a complete or a frameset?
>> I have a 61 Orange Roadini that I have been seriously considering 
>> moving along.
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-5 Adam Kimball wrote:
>>
>>> Title says it all and I know it's a bit of a long shot. But if you 
>>> have a *clean* bike somewhere between 58-61cm, let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Adam
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadeo or Roadini 58 to 61 or so

[Yankeebird]

But wouldn't size wise the 61 correlate to the effective height, as opposed 
to the actual height of the shorter seattube?
On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:40:19 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The way to think of it is two road frames with about the same reach or 
> effective toptube, but the Roadeo has a flat tube reaching back to a taller 
> seattube and the Roadini has a toptube that drops down to a shorter 
> seattube. It's actually a downslope, not upslope. 
>
> For instance to correlate to my height: I would ride a 53 or 55 cm Roadeo 
> and a 50 cm Roadini. Similar reach to the bars, but I would have more 
> standover clearance on the Roadini. 
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Explain your decision to size down to me, please. Educate me. I had been 
>> toying with the idea of a 61cm Roadini-- pbh 91. Wouldn't the upslope make 
>> you think larger size as effective reach would be shorter? Help me out on 
>> this, honest question. Doesn't have to be Adam if someone else knows the 
>> answer.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:50:52 PM UTC-4 Adam Kimball wrote:
>>
>>> Quick correction - Looking for a 57 Roadini.  I didn't realize how much 
>>> upslope the top tube has.  A 61 Roadeo would still interest me though!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 9:09:02 PM UTC-6 Adam Kimball wrote:
>>>
 Ideally a complete.  And ideally orange.

 -Adam


 On Aug 5, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

 The orange is the fastest one.

 On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:27:04 PM UTC-4 Jingy wrote:

> Are you looking for a complete or a frameset?
> I have a 61 Orange Roadini that I have been seriously considering 
> moving along.
> Jim in Mpls
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-5 Adam Kimball wrote:
>
>> Title says it all and I know it's a bit of a long shot. But if you 
>> have a *clean* bike somewhere between 58-61cm, let me know.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Adam
>>
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