Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[J L]

Nice. 

I love this hi-viz colorway.


> On Sep 7, 2021, at 8:55 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:
> 
> Here's mine with a bit of Rivendell content.  I've had it since Christmas 
> 2016.  It has been my primary commuter because the huge Brompton T Bag fit my 
> Wacom 16" MobileStudio Pro, books, lunch and jacket with room to spare.  I 
> used the multisack as a Brompton mini-pannier for a while.  Heel clearance 
> was a bit of an issue but it worked pretty well.
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 10:42:25 PM UTC-7 domjona...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hey Philip,
>> 
>> I did see those, they could be a good option!
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 22:33 Philip Barrett,  wrote:
>>> Continental makes their Contact in a 16" - 
>>> https://www.freedomfoldingbikes.com/continental-contact-urban-tire-for-brompton-16x135.html
>>> 
 On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:45:22 AM UTC-5 domjona...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Jason! 
 
 I did look into those before, but the reviews didn't seem to be too great. 
 I'll take look at the ones you recommend! Thank you so much!
 
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 11:30 J L,  wrote:
> Dom,
> 
> Wider tire?  Give me a month for a ride report :) 
> 
> The largest tire made for 349 rims is the 349X1 1/2. They work out to be 
> about 38-40mm in practice. That fits the fork on all models and the rear 
> frame on many, but not all. Ti models are a little tighter. The real 
> pinch point is the rear brake caliper.
> 
> Greenspeed in AUS used to make a model called Scorcher. A little internet 
> searching  will direct you to these tires used on Bromptons, including a 
> blog from a store in Japan from a few years back. 
> 
> Greenspeed is no longer, but you can still get 60tpi or 120tpi scorchers 
> from a recumbent shop in Australia. They also have their own house brand 
> in the same size called TRUBLU.
> 
> Jason
> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>> 
>> It is indeed (although I live in Japan so Honjo products are much 
>> cheaper here).
>> 
>> There is a tiny amount more clearance, however it seems there is no way 
>> to get a wider tire on the Brompton due to the frame shape (unless 
>> anyone here knows otherwise?) 
>> 
>> I'd love to see some wider and more interesting tire options for 
>> Brompton!
>> 
>> Dom
>> 
>>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 08:13 J L,  wrote:
>>> Dominic,
>>> 
>>> Hahaha. These are a high ticket item. 
>>> 
>>> Is your personal bike? Is the clearance any different than with the 
>>> Brompton plastic ones? 
>>> 
>>> Jason
>>> 
> On Aug 4, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
> 
 
 For those of you that like to waste money on Brompton parts, I 
 recommend some Honjo fenders!
 
  
 
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 23:01 Minh,  wrote:
> great thread and welcome to the club jason.  mine is similiar to 
> yours when i got it.  be prepared for the tinker bug!  i turned my 
> fender model into a rack one with a rack and new fender.   it makes 
> push cart mode much more stable.  
> i also added a dyno front wheel and light.  
> 
> they are useful in a way that is very different from a full size 
> bike.  though riding here in nyc can be a bit hectic with them!
> 
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 8:22:39 AM UTC-4 
>> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I picked up the Grateful Red rear LED USB light, it comes with a 
>> couple of mounting options, one of which is literally an exact fit 
>> for the Brompton rear reflector bracket!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Eric, 
>>> 
>>> Here's my Brompton in it's natural element -  multi-modal 
>>> transport.   I'm 6'7" tall and ride 65-68 cm road bikes, and the 
>>> Brompton with the telescoping seat post and the H bars works well 
>>> for me. 
>>> 
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:56:19 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
 Anyone have a picture/experience of a Brompton set up for a taller 
 (~6’3”) rider? Asking for a friend. 
 
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> Ash,
> 
> A Bosco can be done if you can make the reach and folded math 
> work. 
> 
> The clamp is 25.4 and the mast folds down so the reach-back juts 
> away from the bike. You'd have a bigger folded footprint but 
> still crazy compact relative to storing or 

Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Surlyprof]

Excuse the cross posting as I also posted this on the BOB list.  I spent 7 
years (5th grade through high school) in Ohio with huge canvas saddlebags 
straddling the rear rack of my lemon yellow Schwinn Collegiate 5-speed that 
I received for my 10th birthday (circa 1973?) delivering the Akron Beacon 
Journal before school in the dark, in the humidity, in the rain, in the 
snow, etc.  About 100 papers.  Sundays required multiple reloads.  I got 
very good at hitting porches (or at least the front walk) across suburban 
yards from the road with rolled up papers, although most people had boxes 
attached to their mailboxes by the street.  Paid for a good chunk of my 
college tuition (and a $120 bike that was stolen freshman year) with the 
money I earned.  I can't imagine anyone being able to do that today (as if 
there was even a paper to deliver).

Fortunately, the college degree earned me enough to upgrade to a Rivendell 
(and a Ritchey and a Brompton)!

John
Niles, CA

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-7 Scott Calhoun wrote:

>
> Thank you for starting this thread Patrick. I've enjoyed all the great 
> stories. It reminded me that earlier this year I wrote a little essay about 
> my years as a paperboy for the Arizona Republic. It's a bit too long for a 
> comment here, but I published it on my blog here: 
> http://www.thebeautifulbicycle.com/2021/09/courier-for-the-republic/
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:47:36 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is a great thread! Thanks to everyone for sharing their stories, 
>> I've enjoyed reading. 
>>
>> I myself was born after everyone here retired from their routes. I've 
>> never seen a kid deliver a paper in my life, always adults in cars.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 5:17:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I worked in the mailroom at a newspaper stuffing ad sheets. One day the 
>>> publisher gave us a tour of the building and asked what a paper was in 
>>> business to do. Everyone else offered stuff about journalism and I said "To 
>>> sell advertising."
>>>
>>> "Joe gets it." 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:01:33 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I'm surprised at the number of ex-paperboys and enjoyed the stories. I 
 do remember the Sunday Washington Post from the 1980s; about 8 lb of 
 needlessly pulped wood, about 1/2 of it advertising supplements. The 
 present Albuquerque Journal Sunday edition is about as thick as a low-news 
 weekday edition from 30 years ago.

 -- 

 ---
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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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[RBW] Re: sticky thing for keeping headbadge on bike

[Andrew Turner]

I'll chime in FWIW. Paul Brodie has a great video of how he's always 
attached his custom headbadges. Good ol' 100% silicone. Tried it on mine 
and worked great. I've used permanent adhesive tapes in the past and those 
worked too but for longevity, my money's on the silicone. The tapes are 
also sometimes a little thick so the badge sticks out. Not always the case 
tho. Good luck! 
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:11:27 AM UTC-5 nkni...@gmail.com wrote:

> JB Weld is a great adhesive for headbadges. Jen Green doesn't shy away 
> from it.
>
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-5 Scott McLain wrote:
>
>> I am with Garth.  Silicone adhesive seams like it would be better than 
>> two way tape/adhesive.  Just my $0.02.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 8:33:57 AM UTC-6 Christopher Cote 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've had to reattach all the glued-on headbadges on my Riv bikes. I use 
>>> 3M auto trim tape, available at auto parts stores, and of course at Amazon. 
>>> Works perfectly, and comes in reasonably sized (and priced) rolls. I find 
>>> many uses around the house and shop for the remainder of the roll. 
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 8:46:30 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 My cheviot fell off my Cheviot. Thankfully, I saw it about to go and 
 grabbed it, sheepie is not sitting forlornly on the side of a road 
 somewhere. 

 I need to replace the double-sided sticky rubber thing they use to keep 
 the headbadges on. Anyone know what it is, or have a better solution? 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[André P]

Thanks! Sure is the top of seaview, or on that morning... small slice of 
the bay view trail. The build was pretty fun, got to use a mostly parts bin 
build with a few donations from friends. The 3x9 XT drivetrain is from an 
old mountain bike of mine including rapid rise. The whole chainstay 
protector was a bit of over kill but keeps my chain from dropping.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Scott Calhoun]

Thank you for starting this thread Patrick. I've enjoyed all the great 
stories. It reminded me that earlier this year I wrote a little essay about 
my years as a paperboy for the Arizona Republic. It's a bit too long for a 
comment here, but I published it on my blog here: 
http://www.thebeautifulbicycle.com/2021/09/courier-for-the-republic/ 


On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:47:36 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is a great thread! Thanks to everyone for sharing their stories, I've 
> enjoyed reading. 
>
> I myself was born after everyone here retired from their routes. I've 
> never seen a kid deliver a paper in my life, always adults in cars.
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 5:17:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I worked in the mailroom at a newspaper stuffing ad sheets. One day the 
>> publisher gave us a tour of the building and asked what a paper was in 
>> business to do. Everyone else offered stuff about journalism and I said "To 
>> sell advertising."
>>
>> "Joe gets it." 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:01:33 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'm surprised at the number of ex-paperboys and enjoyed the stories. I 
>>> do remember the Sunday Washington Post from the 1980s; about 8 lb of 
>>> needlessly pulped wood, about 1/2 of it advertising supplements. The 
>>> present Albuquerque Journal Sunday edition is about as thick as a low-news 
>>> weekday edition from 30 years ago.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Eric Marth]

This is a great thread! Thanks to everyone for sharing their stories, I've 
enjoyed reading. 

I myself was born after everyone here retired from their routes. I've never 
seen a kid deliver a paper in my life, always adults in cars.

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 5:17:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I worked in the mailroom at a newspaper stuffing ad sheets. One day the 
> publisher gave us a tour of the building and asked what a paper was in 
> business to do. Everyone else offered stuff about journalism and I said "To 
> sell advertising."
>
> "Joe gets it." 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:01:33 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised at the number of ex-paperboys and enjoyed the stories. I do 
>> remember the Sunday Washington Post from the 1980s; about 8 lb of 
>> needlessly pulped wood, about 1/2 of it advertising supplements. The 
>> present Albuquerque Journal Sunday edition is about as thick as a low-news 
>> weekday edition from 30 years ago.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Joe Bernard]

I worked in the mailroom at a newspaper stuffing ad sheets. One day the 
publisher gave us a tour of the building and asked what a paper was in 
business to do. Everyone else offered stuff about journalism and I said "To 
sell advertising."

"Joe gets it." 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:01:33 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm surprised at the number of ex-paperboys and enjoyed the stories. I do 
> remember the Sunday Washington Post from the 1980s; about 8 lb of 
> needlessly pulped wood, about 1/2 of it advertising supplements. The 
> present Albuquerque Journal Sunday edition is about as thick as a low-news 
> weekday edition from 30 years ago.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm surprised at the number of ex-paperboys and enjoyed the stories. I do
remember the Sunday Washington Post from the 1980s; about 8 lb of
needlessly pulped wood, about 1/2 of it advertising supplements. The
present Albuquerque Journal Sunday edition is about as thick as a low-news
weekday edition from 30 years ago.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Royal Sackville Bagboy

[Ben Mihovk]

Just want to update this...

I went ahead and finally bought a royal Slimsucker today. Riv is out of 
Kangaroo Pouches, though. Is anyone hanging onto a Kangaroo pouch in grid 
grey, silver, or royal that they'd be willing to sell?

Thanks!
Ben
Omaha 

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 8:19:55 AM UTC-5 Ben Mihovk wrote:

> Hello!
> I'm ready to pull the trigger today on the silver Bagboy on Riv's website 
> (or I might settle on a tiny bit less room with the royal Slimsucker). But 
> on the off chance that anyone has a new or very gently used royal Bagboy 
> that they'd be willing to sell, I'd be interested to know about it.
>
> Thanks for your time!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: FT: 700x50 Soma Cazaderos for something wider

[Jeremy Till]

Hi Matthew, 

Thanks for the offer, but I actually had already found another member to 
whom I traded the Cazaderos for a pair of Schwalbes. The Ardents look like 
great tires (especially love the tan sidewall) but I'm trying not to hoard 
too much at the moment.   

Best,

Jeremy

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 3:54:34 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:

> Hey Jeremy,
>
> Sorry for the delay. I hope I didn't lag too long.
> I scored some 29x2.4" Maxxis Ardents, off David Banzer from Treetop Bags I 
> believe. Had'em on his Clem, doing what you say, maxing out the tire 
> clearance.
> I was going to try them on my Atlantis but I already see they won't fit 
> without shaving'em bald or something.
> It'd make a lot more sense to trade with you. Wanna trade? Pic included. 
> They're a little dirty but appear to be in darn good shape (as I received 
> them).
> If you (or anyone else) wants these but don't have the Cazaderos anymore, 
> I'd be interested in other tires. Basically anything 48 mm wide and above, 
> in 26", 27.5", or 29".
>
> -Matthew
> Kinda wishing all wheels & tires were one size (27.5" or 26")
> and my Atlantis could fit that size at 2.4" wide or maybe even 2.6"
> in San Diego, CA
>
> [image: IMG_20210826_073736.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> Probably a long shot, but up for trade is one used pair of Soma Cazaderos 
>> in the 700x50 size with tan sidewalls (tubeless compatible). I bought these 
>> used from a list member thinking they'd be good knobbies for my erstwhile 
>> early Hunqapillar. Now that that bike is sold I'd like to trade them for 
>> something that more fully utilizes my Clem's more generous tire clearances, 
>> something in the 700x55-60mm/29x2.2-2.3" range with an XC or gravel type 
>> tread pattern and tubeless compatibility. I'm somewhat agnostic on 
>> suppleness vs. protective casing, especially with tubeless tires.
>>
>> As far as I can tell the previous owner had these set up tubeless so 
>> there is some sealant residue inside the tire and mild tread wear, more 
>> noticeable on one tire than the other (I assume that was on the rear). I 
>> only seated one tire on my rim to check out the sizing but never added 
>> sealant, a tube, or rode them.
>>
>> If you have a pair of tires in as-new condition that you'd be willing to 
>> trade I'd be happy to throw in some cash or other extras into the deal to 
>> make it fair.  
>>
>> Picture here: https://flic.kr/p/2mdYjaw
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Pittsburgh Press (afternoon, Sunday AM, Sat night bulldog (Sun paper on Sat 
after 1800),  90 customers, 5Y  1962 (7th grade) through high school 
graduation, 6/67.It was in the city and hilly.   Every block had a 
'high' side (houses elevated above street level and 'low' side, houses at 
or below street level.  You had just about every house on a block or groups 
of houses separated by hills.

I tried a bike once or twice (Schwinn Spitfire, 26" balloon tires), but it 
did not work out, due to the hills and stopping for each house, and for 
houses on the 'high' you generally had short cuts eliminating the need to 
go down to the street on each house.   You might come 4 or 5 houses away 
from the bike.   It was easier to load 30, 40, 50 papers in the bag(s) and 
just go slowly up the hills.   After a short while, the weight worked off 
faster than you thought.  It also taught you patience.

I still remember the size of the headlines the Friday Kennedy was shot.  
Sad day.  You got to see the headline many times delivering that day.

I'm happy to see the responses, ex-paper boys seem to be like a 
brotherhood. 

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:29:01 PM UTC-4 Drew Saunders wrote:

> Hartford Courant from 1979 to about 1984 or so. Didn't deliver on a bike, 
> but my Dad fashioned a 2-wheeled cart that my dog would pull to carry the 
> papers. He became quite the celebrity within that neighborhood, and often 
> got better holiday tips than I did. If the temp was below 0 F, I could ask 
> my Dad to drive me, and he drove us (my brothers were also paper boys, and 
> I inherited this route from one of them) on Sundays when the papers were 
> huge. 
>
> My dog was a half Basenji half Beagle, and quite strong for a small-ish 
> medium sized dog. In the '70's, Basenji's were larger than they've been 
> bred to be now, they seem to be on their way to becoming toy dogs (aren't 
> they all?). Basenjis are "primitive" dogs (sometimes called "Pariah Dogs" 
> or basal breeds) and are known for not barking, as well as being almost 
> cat-like in many ways. Beagles are known for not shutting up when they want 
> to bark. Rex would try to bark, but end up in a yodel/howl that probably 
> really freaked out the neighbors. He loved pulling the cart, and got rather 
> pudgy after I quit the paper route and he retired. I can neither confirm 
> nor deny any car dents from him allegedly bashing the cart into parked cars 
> while he may or may not have been pulling the cart off leash...
>
> I made enough from that job to pay for my own school-associated trip to 
> France the summer after I graduated high school, so yay!
>
> Drew
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:26:02 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I would not classify myself as having been a paper boy, but I would cover 
>> for my friend when he was ill/traveling. It was a terrible job, compared to 
>> mowing lawns/shoveling snow, where I made far more money and did not have 
>> to get up super early or working in cold rain.  I remember that I had to 
>> get there early, to bundle be papers into those plastic sleeves, or they 
>> could get soaked.  It was an awful system.  
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt in Peoria, IL at that time. 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Collin A]

Also, your Joe looks great! Is that the top of seaview? I miss those 
views...

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:36:42 AM UTC-7 André P wrote:

> Collin, what's the fender model you have there? Seems like a 
> honjo/simworks but I am unsure on what size.
>
> And to contribute here's my built in 2021, but not actually 2021 model 
> appaloosa.
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:12:28 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> [image: 0.jpg]
>> Jumpin in, been meaning to share a pic since peeping at everyone else's 
>> bikes is maybe my favorite part of this group. Been loving this bike, 
>> recently switched the losco's out for bullmooses, I'll try to take another 
>> updated photo soon.
>> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! The cranks are just the Sugino cranks with a rebrand and a 
>>> slightly different inner ring spacing, but I mostly got them for the 165 
>>> length and that they were in stock.
>>>
>>> Regarding fenders, these particular ones are new, but I used to use 2.2" 
>>> tires and the simworks flat65 fenders on the bike and they worked fine (I 
>>> use the berthoud QR clips 
>>>  
>>> on 
>>> the front and the 20mm clearance recommended by RH, so doubly cautious). 
>>> There has only been one instance where I have felt a little dicey with MTB 
>>> trails and fenders, and that was the cinderella trail 
>>>  in Joaquin 
>>> Miller in Oakland at the steep rock garden.
>>>
>>> The 'MTB' trails around Sacramento are all hard pack dirt/sand with some 
>>> river rock here and there so nothing I am worried about when it comes to 
>>> fenders...and it doesn't get too sticky when it gets wet either. Also less 
>>> debris to get caught up in the fenders too, at this point in the year its 
>>> all ash :(
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 9:10 AM Kushan  wrote:
>>>
 Nice set up Colin. Those Stronglight cranks is not something I see very 
 frequently.. How do those metal fenders do on MTB rides? With the recent 
 posts by Jason and Will (one of the newsletters a few weeks ago), I have 
 been wondering if I should take mine off before going to longer trail 
 rides. 

 On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 1:54:33 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> I'll bite! Here is my 2020 Joe after yet another (two) cockpit 
> switches and some knobbly tires...it is reverting back to a MTB after 
> taking an 8 month hiatus for more road and gravel rides:
> [image: PXL_20210829_204735369.jpg]
>
> Collin, in Smokramento
>
> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 10:29:37 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>
>> No new posts on this thread in a while.. I must say - i am starting 
>> to get jealous of all fun that Leah and other Platty owners having in 
>> the 
>> other corner of this site. C'mon Appa owners - show us your new pride 
>> and 
>> joy!
>>
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> So here is the update on the frame pump situation in case others are 
>>> in the same boat.
>>>
>>> I considered getting the clip-on peg and attach it to the seat tube 
>>> for a solution similar to Mark's Atlantis above. I noticed that I was 
>>> actually able to fit an HPX4 pretty well without even needing a peg. 
>>> The 
>>> only problem was that the pump ended up pushing against the front 
>>> derailer 
>>> cable (see picture). I could have tried fiddling with the derailer 
>>> cabling 
>>> but didn't want to mess up risking a perfecting functional front 
>>> derailer 
>>> (it is unlikely I would ever be able to adjust the derailer as smooth 
>>> as 
>>> the RBW pros). So I ended up forgoing this option.
>>>
>>> Eric's suggestion of adding extra washers to the pump was promising 
>>> but the issue was that HPX pumps are not designed to be dissembled in 
>>> the 
>>> area where the washer would go. At this point, I had pretty much given 
>>> up 
>>> and had started mentally justifying the insanely expensive but longer 
>>> alternative from Silca. But then in a moment of pedal-powered 
>>> inspiration, 
>>> I came up with the idea of using twine to replicate what the extra 
>>> washers 
>>> would have accomplished. The result is a perfectly fitting pump at the 
>>> cost 
>>> of few inches of twine (and a minor loss in pump stroke volume).
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 10:41:53 AM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For Kushan and anyone else : confirming those pump pegs fit fine on 
 the seat tube, top tube, and tubes with similar dimensions. I wanted 
 to use 
 it for the seat stays on my Sam but obviously that didn't work out. 

 On Thursday, 

[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Drew Saunders]

Hartford Courant from 1979 to about 1984 or so. Didn't deliver on a bike, 
but my Dad fashioned a 2-wheeled cart that my dog would pull to carry the 
papers. He became quite the celebrity within that neighborhood, and often 
got better holiday tips than I did. If the temp was below 0 F, I could ask 
my Dad to drive me, and he drove us (my brothers were also paper boys, and 
I inherited this route from one of them) on Sundays when the papers were 
huge. 

My dog was a half Basenji half Beagle, and quite strong for a small-ish 
medium sized dog. In the '70's, Basenji's were larger than they've been 
bred to be now, they seem to be on their way to becoming toy dogs (aren't 
they all?). Basenjis are "primitive" dogs (sometimes called "Pariah Dogs" 
or basal breeds) and are known for not barking, as well as being almost 
cat-like in many ways. Beagles are known for not shutting up when they want 
to bark. Rex would try to bark, but end up in a yodel/howl that probably 
really freaked out the neighbors. He loved pulling the cart, and got rather 
pudgy after I quit the paper route and he retired. I can neither confirm 
nor deny any car dents from him allegedly bashing the cart into parked cars 
while he may or may not have been pulling the cart off leash...

I made enough from that job to pay for my own school-associated trip to 
France the summer after I graduated high school, so yay!

Drew

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:26:02 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I would not classify myself as having been a paper boy, but I would cover 
> for my friend when he was ill/traveling. It was a terrible job, compared to 
> mowing lawns/shoveling snow, where I made far more money and did not have 
> to get up super early or working in cold rain.  I remember that I had to 
> get there early, to bundle be papers into those plastic sleeves, or they 
> could get soaked.  It was an awful system.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Peoria, IL at that time. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Collin A]

Andre, the fenders are the H80 650b XL 

 
model, with no dimpling required!

Collin in Sacramento

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:36:42 AM UTC-7 André P wrote:

> Collin, what's the fender model you have there? Seems like a 
> honjo/simworks but I am unsure on what size.
>
> And to contribute here's my built in 2021, but not actually 2021 model 
> appaloosa.
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:12:28 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> [image: 0.jpg]
>> Jumpin in, been meaning to share a pic since peeping at everyone else's 
>> bikes is maybe my favorite part of this group. Been loving this bike, 
>> recently switched the losco's out for bullmooses, I'll try to take another 
>> updated photo soon.
>> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! The cranks are just the Sugino cranks with a rebrand and a 
>>> slightly different inner ring spacing, but I mostly got them for the 165 
>>> length and that they were in stock.
>>>
>>> Regarding fenders, these particular ones are new, but I used to use 2.2" 
>>> tires and the simworks flat65 fenders on the bike and they worked fine (I 
>>> use the berthoud QR clips 
>>>  
>>> on 
>>> the front and the 20mm clearance recommended by RH, so doubly cautious). 
>>> There has only been one instance where I have felt a little dicey with MTB 
>>> trails and fenders, and that was the cinderella trail 
>>>  in Joaquin 
>>> Miller in Oakland at the steep rock garden.
>>>
>>> The 'MTB' trails around Sacramento are all hard pack dirt/sand with some 
>>> river rock here and there so nothing I am worried about when it comes to 
>>> fenders...and it doesn't get too sticky when it gets wet either. Also less 
>>> debris to get caught up in the fenders too, at this point in the year its 
>>> all ash :(
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 9:10 AM Kushan  wrote:
>>>
 Nice set up Colin. Those Stronglight cranks is not something I see very 
 frequently.. How do those metal fenders do on MTB rides? With the recent 
 posts by Jason and Will (one of the newsletters a few weeks ago), I have 
 been wondering if I should take mine off before going to longer trail 
 rides. 

 On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 1:54:33 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> I'll bite! Here is my 2020 Joe after yet another (two) cockpit 
> switches and some knobbly tires...it is reverting back to a MTB after 
> taking an 8 month hiatus for more road and gravel rides:
> [image: PXL_20210829_204735369.jpg]
>
> Collin, in Smokramento
>
> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 10:29:37 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>
>> No new posts on this thread in a while.. I must say - i am starting 
>> to get jealous of all fun that Leah and other Platty owners having in 
>> the 
>> other corner of this site. C'mon Appa owners - show us your new pride 
>> and 
>> joy!
>>
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> So here is the update on the frame pump situation in case others are 
>>> in the same boat.
>>>
>>> I considered getting the clip-on peg and attach it to the seat tube 
>>> for a solution similar to Mark's Atlantis above. I noticed that I was 
>>> actually able to fit an HPX4 pretty well without even needing a peg. 
>>> The 
>>> only problem was that the pump ended up pushing against the front 
>>> derailer 
>>> cable (see picture). I could have tried fiddling with the derailer 
>>> cabling 
>>> but didn't want to mess up risking a perfecting functional front 
>>> derailer 
>>> (it is unlikely I would ever be able to adjust the derailer as smooth 
>>> as 
>>> the RBW pros). So I ended up forgoing this option.
>>>
>>> Eric's suggestion of adding extra washers to the pump was promising 
>>> but the issue was that HPX pumps are not designed to be dissembled in 
>>> the 
>>> area where the washer would go. At this point, I had pretty much given 
>>> up 
>>> and had started mentally justifying the insanely expensive but longer 
>>> alternative from Silca. But then in a moment of pedal-powered 
>>> inspiration, 
>>> I came up with the idea of using twine to replicate what the extra 
>>> washers 
>>> would have accomplished. The result is a perfectly fitting pump at the 
>>> cost 
>>> of few inches of twine (and a minor loss in pump stroke volume).
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 10:41:53 AM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For Kushan and anyone else : confirming those pump pegs fit fine on 
 the seat tube, top tube, and tubes with similar 

[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Matt Beecher]

I would not classify myself as having been a paper boy, but I would cover 
for my friend when he was ill/traveling. It was a terrible job, compared to 
mowing lawns/shoveling snow, where I made far more money and did not have 
to get up super early or working in cold rain.  I remember that I had to 
get there early, to bundle be papers into those plastic sleeves, or they 
could get soaked.  It was an awful system.  

Best regards,
Matt in Peoria, IL at that time. 


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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Ted Durant]

I inherited from an older brother a Boston Globe route (morning), and later 
added a Patriot Ledger (afternoon) route. This would have been early 
1970's. I held the routes for several years. No paper-tossing on my route - 
houses were generally too far away from the street. Almost everyone got a 
neatly folded paper left behind the screen/storm door. I can't compete with 
MN/WI winter stories, but winter delivery was plenty challenging. My 
delivery vehicle was an inherited Robin Hood 3-speed (red, 26" wheels, 
curved top tube) with big Wald baskets out back. At some point I flipped 
the bars racer-style. I could usually do the entire route in one load 
except Sundays, which could take 3 or 4 loads. When I think back to the 
cash flow management that was required, it amazes me they let kids do that. 
I was probably 10 or so when I started. Collecting was intimidating, but 
most of my customers were good about it. My introduction to Indian food 
came when I walked into the house of an Indian family - hello curry! 

Ted Durant, formerly of Cohasset MA, now in Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[EricP]

I have already mailed the Hillborne brochure and the small fold up catalog 
to Eric for him to scan.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:35:44 AM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Wow. 
> Eric - that is a wonderful contribution.
>
> I don't think I ever got a Cheviot brochure, and I have the Hiawatha 
> Holidays No. II, but not No. 1
>
> I've got a few ephemeral bits and bobs, on my list to scan - just flipped 
> quickly through my box o' stuff and found:
> Original Banana Bag instructions (similar in style to the Boxy Bag 
> instructions), some WoolyWarm stuff, a few one sheets on various bits.  
> There was also a tiny little fold-up products "catalog" that I have a few 
> of. A few paper Atlantis catalog handouts. 
>
> - Jim
>
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
>> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>>
>> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the site. 
>> Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>>
>> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>
>> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have anything 
>> that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>>
>>
>>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>>- Frame brochures
>>   - 1995 frames mailer
>>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>>   - Rambouillet
>>   - Romulus
>>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>>   - An early frame paint chart
>>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>>- Flyers
>>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>>- Ads
>>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Philip Barrett]

I was a paperboy in the UK and the idea of doing it by car was as foreign 
to us as the moon. Since every paper had to be delivered through the 
"letterbox" (no throwing on pathways or lawns) you did this on foot in all 
weathers. Part of the job involved sorting the papers for each house before 
heading out too, Friday's were the worst as everyone took the local weekly 
as well as their regular. Helped me pay for my first "real" bike though, a 
beautiful Peugeot 10 speed.

My cat used to wait for me on the corner & then walk my route with me. He 
was quite a character.

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:02:10 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I was a paper boy in 7th through 9th grades for the Daytona Beach 
> News-Journal.  Morning, Evening, Saturday and Sunday deliveries. We moved 
> halfway through 8th grade and I was able to switch routes. I still remember 
> the route numbers from 50 years ago. My 1st route, 39C5, had about 40 
> customers when I started and about 60 when I left due to the construction 
> of a new apartment building. My 2nd route, 15A, had over 200 customers. I 
> delivered off of my trusty Schwinn Sting-Ray, blue with two speed kickback 
> Bendix coaster brake hub with front handbrake and cable driven speedometer. 
> On my 1st route I used only a front canvas paper delivery bag. On the 2nd 
> route, I added a set of wire baskets (probably Wald) slung over the banana 
> seat. I wrapped the metal supports (intended for a rack) with rope to 
> preserve the seat. That paper route paid for several bikes - Schwinn 
> Suburban 10 speed (stolen), Schwinn Varsity Sport, Schwinn Super Sport 
> (fillet brazed chrome-moly frame with aluminum rims - stolen) and a used 
> Gitane Tour de France - Reynolds 531 frame, Campagnolo Tipo hubs, 
> Campagnolo derailleurs and shifters, Vittoria silk sew-ups - I paid the 
> "insane" price of $240 for it, but that included leather Rivat clip-on 
> shoes that actually fit my wide feet, leather and mesh cycling gloves, and 
> a silver, red & blue Zefal frame pump`held on with a Campagnolo peg clip - 
> I still have the peg clip.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about 
>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen 
>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in 
>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time 
>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged 
>> people in cars. 
>>
>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html 
>>
>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did 
>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW 
>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the 
>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee 
>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.) 
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> --- 
>> Patrick Moore 
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[lconley]

I was a paper boy in 7th through 9th grades for the Daytona Beach 
News-Journal.  Morning, Evening, Saturday and Sunday deliveries. We moved 
halfway through 8th grade and I was able to switch routes. I still remember 
the route numbers from 50 years ago. My 1st route, 39C5, had about 40 
customers when I started and about 60 when I left due to the construction 
of a new apartment building. My 2nd route, 15A, had over 200 customers. I 
delivered off of my trusty Schwinn Sting-Ray, blue with two speed kickback 
Bendix coaster brake hub with front handbrake and cable driven speedometer. 
On my 1st route I used only a front canvas paper delivery bag. On the 2nd 
route, I added a set of wire baskets (probably Wald) slung over the banana 
seat. I wrapped the metal supports (intended for a rack) with rope to 
preserve the seat. That paper route paid for several bikes - Schwinn 
Suburban 10 speed (stolen), Schwinn Varsity Sport, Schwinn Super Sport 
(fillet brazed chrome-moly frame with aluminum rims - stolen) and a used 
Gitane Tour de France - Reynolds 531 frame, Campagnolo Tipo hubs, 
Campagnolo derailleurs and shifters, Vittoria silk sew-ups - I paid the 
"insane" price of $240 for it, but that included leather Rivat clip-on 
shoes that actually fit my wide feet, leather and mesh cycling gloves, and 
a silver, red & blue Zefal frame pump`held on with a Campagnolo peg clip - 
I still have the peg clip.

Laing
Delray Beach, FL

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[J S]

It would have been around 1963 or 1964 when I was 12 or 13.  

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:56:22 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:

> I helped a friend for a couple of summers for 2-3 weeks when his family 
> went on vacation.  I delivered Newsday in Far Rockaway Queens, had to use 
> his too big for me bike as it had a basket.  I earned decent money but did 
> hate collection day.  
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 1:10:57 AM UTC-4 rcn...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I had a paper route from I think 1987 until 1993 in junior high and high 
>> school.  It was good money though I had to buy the papers and then go 
>> collect which was always interesting!
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about 
>>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen 
>>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in 
>>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time 
>>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged 
>>> people in cars. 
>>>
>>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html 
>>>
>>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did 
>>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW 
>>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the 
>>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee 
>>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.) 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> --- 
>>> Patrick Moore 
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[J S]

I helped a friend for a couple of summers for 2-3 weeks when his family 
went on vacation.  I delivered Newsday in Far Rockaway Queens, had to use 
his too big for me bike as it had a basket.  I earned decent money but did 
hate collection day.  

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 1:10:57 AM UTC-4 rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:

> I had a paper route from I think 1987 until 1993 in junior high and high 
> school.  It was good money though I had to buy the papers and then go 
> collect which was always interesting!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about 
>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen 
>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in 
>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time 
>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged 
>> people in cars. 
>>
>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html 
>>
>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did 
>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW 
>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the 
>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee 
>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.) 
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> --- 
>> Patrick Moore 
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Sam Hillborne brochure 

[Johnny Alien]

I sent it over to you.

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:56:47 PM UTC-4 johnt...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Any chance you would send me one as well?  I have a 62cm double top tube. 
> Thanks!
> On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 3:07:12 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow! That is very awesome of you both -- THANK YOU! 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 4:41:27 PM UTC-4 steve wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>> I can’t seem to post it to this but just sent you the brochure
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Tuggle
>>> Yorktown, VA
>>>
>>

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