[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L 59

[Tim Rogers]

BIKE IS SOLD

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 11:32:46 AM UTC-5 Tim Rogers wrote:

> I went over to the dark side and bought an e-bike. There’s not enough room 
> in my garage for my Clem and it’s now on Craigslist. Even though the 
> listing states local pickup only, I’ll consider shipping it at buyer’s 
> expense if I can find a bike shop to do it. The bike is currently in FL and 
> I won’t be able to show or ship it until after Nov 15. I’m the original 
> owner … excellent condition, lightly ridden.
>
>
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/bik/d/naples-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-complete/7398240898.html
>

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[RBW] Re: Longshot WTB: Nitto "Longboy" Rear Rack

[Garth]

That's great Jeremy . from "no rack" to seemingly out of nowhere comes 
the "shiny new rack". You can't make this stuff up. The rack does blend in 
perfectly with the long stays. I just may get one for my Susie. 
On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 4:09:51 PM UTC-4 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Thanks to Garth and others who contacted me off-list with suggestions. To 
> close the loop on this thread, after talking to Antonio @ Rivendell and 
> confirming that the LongBoy was long gone, I ended up buying one of the new 
> "Shiny Rear Racks" when they came into stock last week, and it fits my 
> needs perfectly. Its design has the bottom rack tang (where it connects to 
> the braze-on near the dropout) centered along the length of the platform, 
> so the platform ends up sitting much farther forward that it does on 
> something like the 33R. Plus, when using the M6 braze-on slightly up the 
> seat stay on the Clem and the upper of the two holes on the bottom rack 
> tang, it still has plenty of clearance over 29x2.25" tires. The flat steel 
> upper struts aren't as nice as the aluminum struts on a Nitto or Tubus, but 
> having installed dozens, maybe hundreds, of racks of this type when I was a 
> mechanic, the installation was straightforward. Did my first commute on it 
> this morning and it felt totally solid, albeit with a relatively light load 
> (my laptop and laptop stand in one Ortlieb pannier). 
>
> Picture: https://flic.kr/p/2mELwX1
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 2:17:39 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> If you can't find a Longboy Jeremy, have you considered using some 
>> p-clamps mounted higher on the seatstays with a 32R or any other rack to 
>> raise it high enough to clear the tires ? Sure, it won't look "clean" if 
>> that matters to you, but it would work. Also, a Tubus rack extension kit 
>> may work to raise a rack up and forward. From the image of it, you'd mount 
>> it upside down, with the slotted portion at the bottom of the lowest frame 
>> eyelet so it would curve up and in. 
>> https://www.tubus.com/en/products/accessories-rear-carriers/tubus-product/foot-extension-set
>>
>> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:56:17 AM UTC-4 Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks, 
>>>
>>> This is a longshot as WTB posts go but I've had pretty good success 
>>> before on the lists before so I thought I'd give it a try. I'm find myself 
>>> wanting to put a rear rack on my 59cm Clem. In the past it's worn my 
>>> standard Nitto Big Back Rack (33R) but that rack is currently on my LHT and 
>>> I'd like to have racks on both bikes. I really like the idea of a rack that 
>>> tucks the load closer to the frame and thus more within the wheelbase on 
>>> the long chainstay bikes, as I know from experience with longtail cargo 
>>> bikes that that is one of the great advantages of such a design. 
>>>
>>> Rivendell sold such as rack for a short time, the so-called "LongBoy" 
>>> Big Rear Rack, basically a modified 33R with a more angled front so it sat 
>>> farther forward. If you have one that you no longer need, please let me 
>>> know!
>>>
>>> I think a similar thing could be achieved with the Medium Back Rack 
>>> (32R) but I measured last night and it wouldn't be tall enough to clear the 
>>> 29x2.25" tires I have on the Clem. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[ascpgh]

Please take lots of pictures. 

Seeing the riders and their bikes would be great, pictures of exhibitors' 
things too! Rivendell is going to be there and I know they were impressed 
by the receptive crowds and embrace of fellow exhibitors so far from home 
last time. 

I know this year has been hard on many folks at all levels in the bike 
business and this was such a good event two years ago, I hope its 
restorative vibes are rewarding to all. There was a much more palpable 
sense of kinship among cyclists there than I ever noticed or felt at 
InterBike.

Sad to miss out this year and will be checking out everyones'' postings, 
participating vicariously.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 10:52:27 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I will be there for both your ride (unless it's raining too hard ) and at 
> the show both days, including your session. I’m looking forward to meeting 
> you and others from the board. Perhaps we could all meet at noon at Riv’s 
> booth?  
>
> Girard street at Kelly drive is overhead, a bridge. 
>
> I live downtown Philly, so if anyone needs local info, I’m happy to help. 
>
> Roberta
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring 
>> your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30 
>> near Girard/Kelly.
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
>> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
>> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
>> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>>

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[RBW] 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[Ben Mihovk]

Good morning!
I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green Sam 
and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
are two things I can't seem to find out...

1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage green 
bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 

2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they 
were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just 
curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 

If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have to 
add!

Thanks!
Ben in Omaha 

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Bill Lindsay]

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>
> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Dave Grossman]

Not aero enough Max

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:14:11 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>>
>> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>>
>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[JohnS]

Looks like fun!

JohnS

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:21:21 AM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Not aero enough Max
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:14:11 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>>>
>>> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>>>
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Wally Estrella]

Orange is now definitely the fastest color!  
Are you actually riding this faster Ent or just mock it up?  
if mocked up, send it for a spin anyhow!

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:30:27 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Looks like fun!
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:21:21 AM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Not aero enough Max
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:14:11 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 

 - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 

 [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
 [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
 [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind 
 drivetrain.jpeg]
 [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
 [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[JohnS]

I'm planning to go Saturday morning. I'm going to have breakfast at 8:00 at 
Bruno's Germantown Ave/W. Northwestern Ave, then bike down the Wissahickon 
trail, Kelly Dr. bike path and then over to the convention center (a few 
blocks on city streets with bike lanes). Fun and scenic ride, no hurry, get 
there when we get there. Any one want to join me? Let me know.

JohnS

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Please take lots of pictures. 
>
> Seeing the riders and their bikes would be great, pictures of exhibitors' 
> things too! Rivendell is going to be there and I know they were impressed 
> by the receptive crowds and embrace of fellow exhibitors so far from home 
> last time. 
>
> I know this year has been hard on many folks at all levels in the bike 
> business and this was such a good event two years ago, I hope its 
> restorative vibes are rewarding to all. There was a much more palpable 
> sense of kinship among cyclists there than I ever noticed or felt at 
> InterBike.
>
> Sad to miss out this year and will be checking out everyones'' postings, 
> participating vicariously.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 10:52:27 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I will be there for both your ride (unless it's raining too hard ) and at 
>> the show both days, including your session. I’m looking forward to meeting 
>> you and others from the board. Perhaps we could all meet at noon at Riv’s 
>> booth?  
>>
>> Girard street at Kelly drive is overhead, a bridge. 
>>
>> I live downtown Philly, so if anyone needs local info, I’m happy to help. 
>>
>> Roberta
>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring 
>>> your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30 
>>> near Girard/Kelly.
>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
>>> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
>>> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
>>> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi folks,
I'll be attending the Philly Bike Show on Saturday.  Not sure if I'm biking 
down from Trenton on my Platy but I'll look for y'all.  I will recognize 
Roberta and look for you @ 12ish at the Riv booth. This is where I was 
introduced to Rivs as I picked up a catalog and talked to Will about 5 
years ago.  I went home and devoured the catalog.  Looking forward to the 
show.
See ya soon,
Kate in Trenton

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:44:28 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> I'm planning to go Saturday morning. I'm going to have breakfast at 8:00 
> at Bruno's Germantown Ave/W. Northwestern Ave, then bike down the 
> Wissahickon trail, Kelly Dr. bike path and then over to the convention 
> center (a few blocks on city streets with bike lanes). Fun and scenic ride, 
> no hurry, get there when we get there. Any one want to join me? Let me know.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Please take lots of pictures. 
>>
>> Seeing the riders and their bikes would be great, pictures of exhibitors' 
>> things too! Rivendell is going to be there and I know they were impressed 
>> by the receptive crowds and embrace of fellow exhibitors so far from home 
>> last time. 
>>
>> I know this year has been hard on many folks at all levels in the bike 
>> business and this was such a good event two years ago, I hope its 
>> restorative vibes are rewarding to all. There was a much more palpable 
>> sense of kinship among cyclists there than I ever noticed or felt at 
>> InterBike.
>>
>> Sad to miss out this year and will be checking out everyones'' postings, 
>> participating vicariously.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 10:52:27 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I will be there for both your ride (unless it's raining too hard ) and 
>>> at the show both days, including your session. I’m looking forward to 
>>> meeting you and others from the board. Perhaps we could all meet at noon at 
>>> Riv’s booth?  
>>>
>>> Girard street at Kelly drive is overhead, a bridge. 
>>>
>>> I live downtown Philly, so if anyone needs local info, I’m happy to 
>>> help. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring 
 your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30 
 near Girard/Kelly.
 https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
 The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
 I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
 Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/



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[RBW] Re: Looking for Paul motolites

[Christopher Wiggins]

Here ya go.  
Chris
https://thepsychicderailleur.com/product/paul-motolite-v-brake/

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 7:04:23 PM UTC-4 Sam Perez wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Matthew P]

Max I dig it!
What stem is that? Did you give it the dull finish or is that stock?
Heck of a seatpost too.
Newbaums bar tape? Pairs great.
Thanks for giving me some bikestoke.
-Matthew
San Diego, Kumeyaay Land

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 7:35:30 AM UTC-7 Wally Estrella wrote:

> Orange is now definitely the fastest color!  
> Are you actually riding this faster Ent or just mock it up?  
> if mocked up, send it for a spin anyhow!
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:30:27 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Looks like fun!
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:21:21 AM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Not aero enough Max
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:14:11 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>
> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind 
> drivetrain.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>


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[RBW] WTT: My Medium MUSA shorts for your Small

[Matthew P]

Hello all.

I scored black and gray/blue medium MUSA shorts from Eric:
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/dlY4wVQhNVA

They're great, but I'd be better off with size Small.

Anyone have size Small and would like Medium?

I'm also on the lookout for MUSA pants - Small or (preferably?) Medium.

Thank you!
-Matthew "how do we add tags to posts now? just the subject prefix?" P
in San Diego, Kumeyaay Land

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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[Pam Bikes]

Here's the route as of now for the Sat ride to the Expo.  I may edit the 
route in the meantime.  I'm open to suggestions.  I hope to meet and ride 
w/y'all.  Thanks to Rick on Insta for helping me w/the 
route.  https://ridewithgps.com/routes/37866372

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:13:48 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I'll be attending the Philly Bike Show on Saturday.  Not sure if I'm 
> biking down from Trenton on my Platy but I'll look for y'all.  I will 
> recognize Roberta and look for you @ 12ish at the Riv booth. This is where 
> I was introduced to Rivs as I picked up a catalog and talked to Will about 
> 5 years ago.  I went home and devoured the catalog.  Looking forward to the 
> show.
> See ya soon,
> Kate in Trenton
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:44:28 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> I'm planning to go Saturday morning. I'm going to have breakfast at 8:00 
>> at Bruno's Germantown Ave/W. Northwestern Ave, then bike down the 
>> Wissahickon trail, Kelly Dr. bike path and then over to the convention 
>> center (a few blocks on city streets with bike lanes). Fun and scenic ride, 
>> no hurry, get there when we get there. Any one want to join me? Let me know.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Please take lots of pictures. 
>>>
>>> Seeing the riders and their bikes would be great, pictures of 
>>> exhibitors' things too! Rivendell is going to be there and I know they were 
>>> impressed by the receptive crowds and embrace of fellow exhibitors so far 
>>> from home last time. 
>>>
>>> I know this year has been hard on many folks at all levels in the bike 
>>> business and this was such a good event two years ago, I hope its 
>>> restorative vibes are rewarding to all. There was a much more palpable 
>>> sense of kinship among cyclists there than I ever noticed or felt at 
>>> InterBike.
>>>
>>> Sad to miss out this year and will be checking out everyones'' postings, 
>>> participating vicariously.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 10:52:27 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I will be there for both your ride (unless it's raining too hard ) and 
 at the show both days, including your session. I’m looking forward to 
 meeting you and others from the board. Perhaps we could all meet at noon 
 at 
 Riv’s booth?  

 Girard street at Kelly drive is overhead, a bridge. 

 I live downtown Philly, so if anyone needs local info, I’m happy to 
 help. 

 Roberta
 On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and 
> bring your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 
> 7:30 near Girard/Kelly.
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[David Person]

Hi Ben, I have a 62cm sidepull Sam frame/fork form Riv in the spring of 
2015.  Here are the specs I've measured directly from my bike, which line 
up pretty well with the current canti version.


Head Angle = 72
Seat Angle = 71.5
Seat Tube = 62cm 
Eff TT = 627mm
BB Drop = 73mm 
HT Length = 260mm 
WB= 1106mm 
CS = 463mm 
FC = 653mm 
Stack = 684mm 
Reach = 390mm

David


On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage green 
> bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they 
> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just 
> curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have 
> to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[RichS]

Hello Ben,

I have a 2014 Sage Green Sam, green on the head tube. For that run some of 
the Sams had cream on the ht and some didn't. If you were making a purchase 
early enough then you had a choice. I didn't but I've never been 
disappointed.

Congratulations on acquiring a Sam!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 9:13:13 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage green 
> bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they 
> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just 
> curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have 
> to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[Roberta]

I'm looking forward to meeting new people and catching up with the ones I 
know.  Andy, I will miss you (we met two years ago).  There's something 
about knowing who you're writing to that makes these prose interactions 
come alive.

Also, I'll be on my  Platy, too, for Pam's ride, so won't make it to John's 
breakfast.  Kate, looking forward to hearing about your biking adventures 
in Europe and Michigan.

Roberta

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Please take lots of pictures. 
>
> Seeing the riders and their bikes would be great, pictures of exhibitors' 
> things too! Rivendell is going to be there and I know they were impressed 
> by the receptive crowds and embrace of fellow exhibitors so far from home 
> last time. 
>
> I know this year has been hard on many folks at all levels in the bike 
> business and this was such a good event two years ago, I hope its 
> restorative vibes are rewarding to all. There was a much more palpable 
> sense of kinship among cyclists there than I ever noticed or felt at 
> InterBike.
>
> Sad to miss out this year and will be checking out everyones'' postings, 
> participating vicariously.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 10:52:27 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I will be there for both your ride (unless it's raining too hard ) and at 
>> the show both days, including your session. I’m looking forward to meeting 
>> you and others from the board. Perhaps we could all meet at noon at Riv’s 
>> booth?  
>>
>> Girard street at Kelly drive is overhead, a bridge. 
>>
>> I live downtown Philly, so if anyone needs local info, I’m happy to help. 
>>
>> Roberta
>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring 
>>> your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30 
>>> near Girard/Kelly.
>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
>>> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
>>> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
>>> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Thumb Shifters, Compass Tires, Cetma Rack

[Michael Ullmer]

Bump and price drop:

1) Newer version 5-rail - $70 shipped

2) Suntour Thumbies - $25 shipped

3) Compass Babyshoe Pass Standard Casing - $45 shipped for the pair

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:32:37 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Cross posting from the i-bob list:
>
> Consolidating my FS posts and adding a couple new items:
>
> 1) Newer version 5-rail - $80 shipped
> --This is the current design which has the mounting holes attached to the 
> bottom of the platform and has straight stays. A few nicks here and there. 
> Comes with mounting hardware and two brackets you can use if your 
> handlebars are very high (which mine were). 
>
> 2) Suntour Thumbies - $35 shipped
> --Non-ratcheting version with mismatched clamping bolts. Functionally 
> great.
>
> 3) Compass Babyshoe Pass Standard Casing - $55 shipped for the pair
> --I switched to Extralight Compass Tires and don't need these. I'm not 
> great at estimating miles, but I'd guess somewhere around 1000. The one 
> with more wear on it had a slit in the sidewall that I patched and hasn't 
> been a problem since. There's some sealant residue on the inside. Price 
> reflects the wear.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1aEg66bs8Lf7q1eL8
>
> PM off-list
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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[Johnny Alien]

Didn't it have something to do with the factory? Something like some of the 
SH frames were done at Waterford and didn't have the cream accents.

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hello Ben,
>
> I have a 2014 Sage Green Sam, green on the head tube. For that run some of 
> the Sams had cream on the ht and some didn't. If you were making a purchase 
> early enough then you had a choice. I didn't but I've never been 
> disappointed.
>
> Congratulations on acquiring a Sam!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 9:13:13 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
>> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
>> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
>> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
>> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
>> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>>
>> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage 
>> green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
>> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
>> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>>
>> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they 
>> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just 
>> curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>>
>> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have 
>> to add!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[Bill Lindsay]

I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head 
tube.  Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange.  I'm sure some people 
might have gotten D&D repaint with a cream headtube.  I associate the 
transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple 
ways that occurred.  Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have 
been introduced alongside price increases.  You asked "why", which i take 
to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a 
cream headtube?"  I think it was to keep the price down.  When I bought 
mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset.  There are several cost-saving 
details on mine.  No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc.  I don't 
recall what MSRP was in 2013.  Early Betty Foys were one color.  Romulus 
and Redwood were one color.  Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, etc.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage green 
> bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they 
> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just 
> curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have 
> to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

You all got me excited for PBE so I went and checked but SWA tickets from
KC are just too expensive for the last minute trip.
I'll definitely plan better for next year.

--ben

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 12:31 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I'm looking forward to meeting new people and catching up with the ones I
> know.  Andy, I will miss you (we met two years ago).  There's something
> about knowing who you're writing to that makes these prose interactions
> come alive.
>
> Also, I'll be on my  Platy, too, for Pam's ride, so won't make it to
> John's breakfast.  Kate, looking forward to hearing about your biking
> adventures in Europe and Michigan.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Please take lots of pictures.
>>
>> Seeing the riders and their bikes would be great, pictures of exhibitors'
>> things too! Rivendell is going to be there and I know they were impressed
>> by the receptive crowds and embrace of fellow exhibitors so far from home
>> last time.
>>
>> I know this year has been hard on many folks at all levels in the bike
>> business and this was such a good event two years ago, I hope its
>> restorative vibes are rewarding to all. There was a much more palpable
>> sense of kinship among cyclists there than I ever noticed or felt at
>> InterBike.
>>
>> Sad to miss out this year and will be checking out everyones'' postings,
>> participating vicariously.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 10:52:27 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I will be there for both your ride (unless it's raining too hard ) and
>>> at the show both days, including your session. I’m looking forward to
>>> meeting you and others from the board. Perhaps we could all meet at noon at
>>> Riv’s booth?
>>>
>>> Girard street at Kelly drive is overhead, a bridge.
>>>
>>> I live downtown Philly, so if anyone needs local info, I’m happy to
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring
 your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30
 near Girard/Kelly.
 https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
 The presentation is Sun at 1:30.
 I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
 Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[Ben Mihovk]

Good stuff, everyone! 

The one thing that makes me wonder, though, is that this BLUG post below 
makes it seem like the Sams that were coming out in early 2014 were 
produced with the 62cm Sage not having a cream head tube, but other double 
top tubes pictured have cream tubes.
https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68923093887/new-green-sams-came-in-today-available-for/amp

There's no mention in the Blug about the difference, though. Maybe it is 
where they were produced, though. I know I saw with the Wayback Machine a 
web special for sage green Sams that should have had cream head tubes but 
the painter messed up...they were being sold discounted...but I can't 
remember what year/month/day I checked and saw it.

It's pretty unimportant and I only ask because I thought it might be a 
well-known piece of Riv trivia (Rivia?).


Thanks again!
Ben


On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head 
> tube.  Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange.  I'm sure some people 
> might have gotten D&D repaint with a cream headtube.  I associate the 
> transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple 
> ways that occurred.  Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have 
> been introduced alongside price increases.  You asked "why", which i take 
> to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a 
> cream headtube?"  I think it was to keep the price down.  When I bought 
> mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset.  There are several cost-saving 
> details on mine.  No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc.  I don't 
> recall what MSRP was in 2013.  Early Betty Foys were one color.  Romulus 
> and Redwood were one color.  Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, etc.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
>> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
>> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
>> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
>> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
>> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>>
>> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage 
>> green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
>> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
>> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>>
>> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they 
>> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just 
>> curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>>
>> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have 
>> to add!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[Joe Bernard]

There was a darker green run - kind of a vintage Porsche color - around 
2010 that had this "mistake", too. Some came without a cream headtube and I 
thought looked better that way. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good stuff, everyone! 
>
> The one thing that makes me wonder, though, is that this BLUG post below 
> makes it seem like the Sams that were coming out in early 2014 were 
> produced with the 62cm Sage not having a cream head tube, but other double 
> top tubes pictured have cream tubes.
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68923093887/new-green-sams-came-in-today-available-for/amp
>
> There's no mention in the Blug about the difference, though. Maybe it is 
> where they were produced, though. I know I saw with the Wayback Machine a 
> web special for sage green Sams that should have had cream head tubes but 
> the painter messed up...they were being sold discounted...but I can't 
> remember what year/month/day I checked and saw it.
>
> It's pretty unimportant and I only ask because I thought it might be a 
> well-known piece of Riv trivia (Rivia?).
>
>
> Thanks again!
> Ben
>
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head 
>> tube.  Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange.  I'm sure some people 
>> might have gotten D&D repaint with a cream headtube.  I associate the 
>> transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple 
>> ways that occurred.  Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have 
>> been introduced alongside price increases.  You asked "why", which i take 
>> to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a 
>> cream headtube?"  I think it was to keep the price down.  When I bought 
>> mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset.  There are several cost-saving 
>> details on mine.  No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc.  I don't 
>> recall what MSRP was in 2013.  Early Betty Foys were one color.  Romulus 
>> and Redwood were one color.  Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, etc.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
>>> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
>>> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
>>> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
>>> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
>>> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>>>
>>> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage 
>>> green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
>>> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
>>> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>>>
>>> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where 
>>> they were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, 
>>> just curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>>>
>>> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have 
>>> to add!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben in Omaha 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Thumb Shifters, Compass Tires, Cetma Rack

[Michael Ullmer]

Babyshoe pass tires are sold

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:49:27 AM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Bump and price drop:
>
> 1) Newer version 5-rail - $70 shipped
>
> 2) Suntour Thumbies - $25 shipped
>
> 3) Compass Babyshoe Pass Standard Casing - $45 shipped for the pair
>
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:32:37 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Cross posting from the i-bob list:
>>
>> Consolidating my FS posts and adding a couple new items:
>>
>> 1) Newer version 5-rail - $80 shipped
>> --This is the current design which has the mounting holes attached to the 
>> bottom of the platform and has straight stays. A few nicks here and there. 
>> Comes with mounting hardware and two brackets you can use if your 
>> handlebars are very high (which mine were). 
>>
>> 2) Suntour Thumbies - $35 shipped
>> --Non-ratcheting version with mismatched clamping bolts. Functionally 
>> great.
>>
>> 3) Compass Babyshoe Pass Standard Casing - $55 shipped for the pair
>> --I switched to Extralight Compass Tires and don't need these. I'm not 
>> great at estimating miles, but I'd guess somewhere around 1000. The one 
>> with more wear on it had a slit in the sidewall that I patched and hasn't 
>> been a problem since. There's some sealant residue on the inside. Price 
>> reflects the wear.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1aEg66bs8Lf7q1eL8
>>
>> PM off-list
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[Ben Mihovk]

Oooh...I think the darker green ones were the mistake ones I saw on the 
Wayback Machine. Now I NEED to find it!

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> There was a darker green run - kind of a vintage Porsche color - around 
> 2010 that had this "mistake", too. Some came without a cream headtube and I 
> thought looked better that way. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good stuff, everyone! 
>>
>> The one thing that makes me wonder, though, is that this BLUG post below 
>> makes it seem like the Sams that were coming out in early 2014 were 
>> produced with the 62cm Sage not having a cream head tube, but other double 
>> top tubes pictured have cream tubes.
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68923093887/new-green-sams-came-in-today-available-for/amp
>>
>> There's no mention in the Blug about the difference, though. Maybe it is 
>> where they were produced, though. I know I saw with the Wayback Machine a 
>> web special for sage green Sams that should have had cream head tubes but 
>> the painter messed up...they were being sold discounted...but I can't 
>> remember what year/month/day I checked and saw it.
>>
>> It's pretty unimportant and I only ask because I thought it might be a 
>> well-known piece of Riv trivia (Rivia?).
>>
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head 
>>> tube.  Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange.  I'm sure some people 
>>> might have gotten D&D repaint with a cream headtube.  I associate the 
>>> transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple 
>>> ways that occurred.  Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have 
>>> been introduced alongside price increases.  You asked "why", which i take 
>>> to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a 
>>> cream headtube?"  I think it was to keep the price down.  When I bought 
>>> mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset.  There are several cost-saving 
>>> details on mine.  No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc.  I don't 
>>> recall what MSRP was in 2013.  Early Betty Foys were one color.  Romulus 
>>> and Redwood were one color.  Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, etc.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good morning!
 I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
 Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
 check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
 and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
 I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
 are two things I can't seem to find out...

 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage 
 green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
 without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
 think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 

 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where 
 they were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, 
 just curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 

 If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you 
 have to add!

 Thanks!
 Ben in Omaha 

>>>

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[RBW] Electrifying

[Kiley Demond]

Which is easier to electrify? Clem L or Susie W? Any advantages or 
disadvantages one over the other? Thank you! 

Yes... it has been a couple of years. 

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Joe Bernard]

It's cool. 12/10 would ride 👍

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>
> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Electrifying

[Joe Bernard]

Susie is easier because you have a triangle to fit a battery in at the 
bottle cage bosses. Clem L has the bosses on top of the toptube and you 
have to make sure there's enough room between the headtube and curve at the 
rear for the battery.

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:56:27 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> Which is easier to electrify? Clem L or Susie W? Any advantages or 
> disadvantages one over the other? Thank you! 
>
> Yes... it has been a couple of years. 
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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[EricP]

My sage has a painted headtube. The earlier green one I had did not. Also, 
the earlier one did not have the two raised portions of the fork crown 
painted when I bought it. Took care of that with some white paint and a 
hobby brush.

While I have seen photos of the sage with no contrasting headtube, have 
never seen one like that in person. 

Besides the double top tubes, not sure there were any other significant 
changes. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oooh...I think the darker green ones were the mistake ones I saw on the 
> Wayback Machine. Now I NEED to find it!
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> There was a darker green run - kind of a vintage Porsche color - around 
>> 2010 that had this "mistake", too. Some came without a cream headtube and I 
>> thought looked better that way. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good stuff, everyone! 
>>>
>>> The one thing that makes me wonder, though, is that this BLUG post below 
>>> makes it seem like the Sams that were coming out in early 2014 were 
>>> produced with the 62cm Sage not having a cream head tube, but other double 
>>> top tubes pictured have cream tubes.
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68923093887/new-green-sams-came-in-today-available-for/amp
>>>
>>> There's no mention in the Blug about the difference, though. Maybe it is 
>>> where they were produced, though. I know I saw with the Wayback Machine a 
>>> web special for sage green Sams that should have had cream head tubes but 
>>> the painter messed up...they were being sold discounted...but I can't 
>>> remember what year/month/day I checked and saw it.
>>>
>>> It's pretty unimportant and I only ask because I thought it might be a 
>>> well-known piece of Riv trivia (Rivia?).
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head 
 tube.  Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange.  I'm sure some people 
 might have gotten D&D repaint with a cream headtube.  I associate the 
 transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple 
 ways that occurred.  Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have 
 been introduced alongside price increases.  You asked "why", which i take 
 to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a 
 cream headtube?"  I think it was to keep the price down.  When I bought 
 mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset.  There are several cost-saving 
 details on mine.  No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc.  I don't 
 recall what MSRP was in 2013.  Early Betty Foys were one color.  Romulus 
 and Redwood were one color.  Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, etc. 
  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage 
> Green Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to 
> double check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 
> 2013) and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand 
> times. I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group 
> and 
> there are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage 
> green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm 
> Sage 
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made 
> me 
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where 
> they were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, 
> just curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you 
> have to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha 
>


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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Ryan]

Agree about 12/10 coolness factor ...my knees find that gearing scary 
though... 

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:00:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's cool. 12/10 would ride 👍
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>>
>> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>>
>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Adventure Novels

[Ryan]

Now that's interesting that you grew up near him. Just finished *Shepherd's 
Hut *which I almost regretted
. That's a test of a good book...when you wish it wouldn't end. I've read *Dirt 
Music*...definitely want to read more
On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 12:55:52 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Tim Winton - yes, I've certainly heard of him, I've read most of his 
> books; we grew up in the same place (Perth, Western Australia), and he 
> writes about the places I know. In *Cloudstreet*, the very street I used 
> to live in gets a mention. Of his books, *Dirt Music* is probably my 
> favourite.
> On Wednesday, 27 October 2021 at 11:22:49 am UTC+11 Ryan wrote:
>
>> + 4 for O'Brien...reading Tim Winton *The Shepherd's Hut * right 
>> now...have read others...terrific writer...Nick, maybe you've heard of him?
>> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 2:32:19 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> +3 for Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey-Maturin series. I have them as physical 
>>> books, bought over many years as the series was published, as eBooks on my 
>>> eReader, and quite a number of them also as audiobooks from Audible, read 
>>> by Ric Jerrom - I listen to those in the car.
>>>
>>> Nick 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[James Warren]

Ben,

I'd have to do some research to answer all of your questions, but first I'd
like to point out that my Sam is a 62 cm from 2014, and it just might be
bicycle perfection. I hope you enjoy yours, and I really think you will.

I do recall that circa 2013-14, some Sams were painted single-color, some
of which were greyish blue and then later sage. I thought they looked
pretty good. I seem to recall your single-color sage looked great.

Enjoy!
-Jimmy

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 6:13 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green
> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double
> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013)
> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times.
> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there
> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage green
> bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures).
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they
> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just
> curious to poke around on Bike Insights.
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have
> to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha
>
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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Matthew P]

In hindsight I assume the stem and seatpost are Ti ...
That deeper/redder orange is fantastic.
-Matthew 

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 2:35:54 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Agree about 12/10 coolness factor ...my knees find that gearing scary 
> though... 
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:00:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's cool. 12/10 would ride 👍
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 5:50:37 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>>>
>>> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>>>
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Claimed. Does anyone want this RBW catalogue from 2018?

[Patrick Moore]

Claimed.

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[Ian A]

Didn't the very first Sams have a longer top tube as they were intended for 
upright bars? Then later runs had a shorter top tube?

I really liked the single paint blue and.green color schemes, except for 
the Tuxedo Sam which looks fantastic with the white accents on gloss black.

IanA Alberta Canada
On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:27:54 PM UTC-6 EricP wrote:

> My sage has a painted headtube. The earlier green one I had did not. Also, 
> the earlier one did not have the two raised portions of the fork crown 
> painted when I bought it. Took care of that with some white paint and a 
> hobby brush.
>
> While I have seen photos of the sage with no contrasting headtube, have 
> never seen one like that in person. 
>
> Besides the double top tubes, not sure there were any other significant 
> changes. 
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oooh...I think the darker green ones were the mistake ones I saw on the 
>> Wayback Machine. Now I NEED to find it!
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> There was a darker green run - kind of a vintage Porsche color - around 
>>> 2010 that had this "mistake", too. Some came without a cream headtube and I 
>>> thought looked better that way. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good stuff, everyone! 

 The one thing that makes me wonder, though, is that this BLUG post 
 below makes it seem like the Sams that were coming out in early 2014 were 
 produced with the 62cm Sage not having a cream head tube, but other double 
 top tubes pictured have cream tubes.

 https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68923093887/new-green-sams-came-in-today-available-for/amp

 There's no mention in the Blug about the difference, though. Maybe it 
 is where they were produced, though. I know I saw with the Wayback Machine 
 a web special for sage green Sams that should have had cream head tubes 
 but 
 the painter messed up...they were being sold discounted...but I can't 
 remember what year/month/day I checked and saw it.

 It's pretty unimportant and I only ask because I thought it might be a 
 well-known piece of Riv trivia (Rivia?).


 Thanks again!
 Ben


 On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head 
> tube.  Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange.  I'm sure some people 
> might have gotten D&D repaint with a cream headtube.  I associate the 
> transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple 
> ways that occurred.  Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have 
> been introduced alongside price increases.  You asked "why", which i take 
> to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a 
> cream headtube?"  I think it was to keep the price down.  When I bought 
> mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset.  There are several cost-saving 
> details on mine.  No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc.  I don't 
> recall what MSRP was in 2013.  Early Betty Foys were one color.  Romulus 
> and Redwood were one color.  Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, 
> etc.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage 
>> Green Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine 
>> to 
>> double check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end 
>> of 
>> 2013) and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand 
>> times. I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group 
>> and 
>> there are two things I can't seem to find out...
>>
>> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage 
>> green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm 
>> Sage 
>> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made 
>> me 
>> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>>
>> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where 
>> they were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, 
>> just curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>>
>> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you 
>> have to add!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben in Omaha 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Patrick Moore]

Moving from novels written to novels dramatized, one more series I can
wholeheartedly recommend, as long as we agree that whodunits with action
are adventure, is the A&E Nero Wolfe series produced in 2001 and 2002.

Generally, I avoid American TV crime and spy and generally mystery and
thriller dramas because, at least as I see it, the Brits just do them so
much better in adaptation to stage, characterization, casting, sets, etc.
But one glaring exception, for which I am very proud to be an American, is
this Nero Wolfe series, where Maury Chaykin and Timothy Hutton do for this
series what Alec Guiness did for the dramatization of John Le Carre's best
novels, the Karla trilogy: when you think of the character you think of the
actor and you can't get around doing so.

As of 10.28.2021, still available full-screen on Youtube and, if watched on
Duck Duck Go, sans advertising interruptions.

The dramatizations are good enough to make me want to seek out the novels.

FWIW, my brief impressions of earlier dramatizations makes me want to avoid
all but this ~2000 adaptation.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:15 PM J Imler  wrote:

> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday
> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years
> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart
> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I
> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>
> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve
> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>
> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the
> darker months loom?
>
> Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Random bike bits

[Shawn Granton]

Alright, everything has sold! Thanks for playing.
-Shawn

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[RBW] Seeking advice on making a sling. (Not a sling shot.)

[Patrick Moore]

Not a sling *shot;* I've made plenty of those. A David-'n'-Goliath sling,
of which I've made only 1, and that O! 50 years ago.

I know the general design and method, but I particularly seek advice on the
length of the strings, the size of the (leather, of course) and the cradle
or pouch, the best materials, and the best way to shape and attach the
pouch..

For the record, if it helps advisors, I'm 5'10" in bare feet with Filipino
torso and limbs, thus shorter limbs and longer torso than with men of the
Nordic* race:




*Behold, my child , the Nordic
man,And be as like him, as you can;His legs are long
, his mind
 is slow
,His hair
 is lank and made of tow.*

*Apparently, an academically approved and very highly rated racial category
circa 1900 when this little verse was published.

Patrick "don't tell me that slings aren't Rivendellesque, even if not
Rivendellian" Moore

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Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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