[RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Johnny Alien]

I have a 9 speed indexed rear sunrace thumbshifter. Brand new. If that is 
what you are looking for shoot me an email.
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:31:32 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> [image: IMG_0902.jpeg]
> pardon the disaster in the background, pretty happy with this build. fit 
> is pretty close to dialed and it might be my favorite bike ever, on just a 
> quick shakedown ride. this is before cable trimming and everything else.
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:29:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0909.jpeg]
>>
>> typical of me i jumped the gun and did up the grips only to realize i'll 
>> need to remove at least one set to replace the shifter and brake levers.
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 3rd time i'm trying this, ill skip pictures for now since they're crappy 
>>> but recently built up an appaloosa from the FFHS and a stock Clem, with a 
>>> few additions from the stock build. since this is boring without words i'll 
>>> try to add the photos in subsequent posts. now my questions:
>>>
>>> does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an 
>>> inch too low and touching the rear wheel? i was hoping to avoid racks on 
>>> this back entirely just because my city bike has front and rear racks, and 
>>> generally all the fixings. the bag is the slim sucker, before it was called 
>>> the slim sucker. terms out it's not slim enough and i'm the sucker.
>>>
>>> before the most recent iteration, riv used to sell self tapping (i 
>>> think) set screws for grip kings. well it turns out grip kings aren't so 
>>> grippy so i'd like to get a set of them for both bikes. does anyone know 
>>> what the size spec is so i can not make a mistake ordering or buying them?
>>>
>>> a double leg plestcher is rubbing against the knobs on my appaloosa 
>>> tires. any tips for making that disappear? obvious choices are to file down 
>>> the area on the kickstand, but i'm wondering if thats too obvious and a 
>>> wrong choice.
>>>
>>> the next is maybe a WTB - my wife's clem came with what i think are 
>>> pretty terrible brake levers, I removed them and replaced them with a 
>>> shimano offering I later realized was short pull and I need long for the 
>>> v-brakes on there. i want to keep them silver and classic - most options in 
>>> the well priced range are sold out or only available in black. i'm 
>>> considering going for the IRD cafam (really i'd love to just get her paul 
>>> comp but it would be a real splurge)
>>>
>>> same goes for the rear shifter - the trigger on that back is maybe not 
>>> the greatest for her. was thinking of just sourcing a sunrace rear 9 speed 
>>> because it matches the front derailleur already on the bike. anyone have 
>>> one lying around they decided they don't need?
>>>
>>> thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Chris L]

I'll have to check out that thread.

As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much prefer the darker shade of 
orange shown in your photo here.  

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the first 
> diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. Two versions 
> - one that is like the production version we ended up with, and another 
> that had extended "mixte" like tubes that ended near the rear dropouts. 
> (That one sort of became the Bombadil ultimately.) These first mockups led 
> to more than 20 others, prompted by an email from Grant who saw the posts 
> here and wanted to explore different color combos and other details. It all 
> happened pretty fast. Here are mockups #1 and #2, and a couple others along 
> the way. If you look closely at the front tire markings, you can see how I 
> kept track of the various mockups. For the record, here is the thread where 
> these were revealed and all of this is discussed (passionately!):  
>
> DiagaHunq Discussion 
> 
>
> It was fun to be a small part of the history of this great bike. I owned 
> one for a short time, but it was way too small for me, and had some damage. 
> Looking back, those chainstays look ridiculously short! My current Clem H 
> is all the Hunq I need now. 
>
> Marty
>
> [image: DiagHunq1.jpg][image: DiagHunq2.jpg]
>
> FYI - to facilitate the mockups I was using a pic that was posted on the 
> Riv site somewhere - it was Jay's bike:
>
> [image: Jay_s_H.jpg]
>
> This one in orange and grey, with a cork lift handle idea. Not sure who's 
> bike this was. 
> [image: Hunqamarty 10.0.jpg]
>
> OK - this one was a stretch...
> [image: Hunqamarty 8.0.jpg]
>
> And a black & grey version I kind of liked. with graphics on the mid-tube.
> [image: Hunqamarty 21.0.jpg]
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:15:22 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in 2010 
>> on Bombadils :)  So the diaga is the newer versio
>
>

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[RBW] question and WTB for two new country builds

[Michael Baquerizo]

3rd time i'm trying this, ill skip pictures for now since they're crappy 
but recently built up an appaloosa from the FFHS and a stock Clem, with a 
few additions from the stock build. since this is boring without words i'll 
try to add the photos in subsequent posts. now my questions:

does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an inch 
too low and touching the rear wheel? i was hoping to avoid racks on this 
back entirely just because my city bike has front and rear racks, and 
generally all the fixings. the bag is the slim sucker, before it was called 
the slim sucker. terms out it's not slim enough and i'm the sucker.

before the most recent iteration, riv used to sell self tapping (i think) 
set screws for grip kings. well it turns out grip kings aren't so grippy so 
i'd like to get a set of them for both bikes. does anyone know what the 
size spec is so i can not make a mistake ordering or buying them?

a double leg plestcher is rubbing against the knobs on my appaloosa tires. 
any tips for making that disappear? obvious choices are to file down the 
area on the kickstand, but i'm wondering if thats too obvious and a wrong 
choice.

the next is maybe a WTB - my wife's clem came with what i think are pretty 
terrible brake levers, I removed them and replaced them with a shimano 
offering I later realized was short pull and I need long for the v-brakes 
on there. i want to keep them silver and classic - most options in the well 
priced range are sold out or only available in black. i'm considering going 
for the IRD cafam (really i'd love to just get her paul comp but it would 
be a real splurge)

same goes for the rear shifter - the trigger on that back is maybe not the 
greatest for her. was thinking of just sourcing a sunrace rear 9 speed 
because it matches the front derailleur already on the bike. anyone have 
one lying around they decided they don't need?

thanks in advance!


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[RBW] Re: WTB: 9 speed indexed shimano bar end right shifter

[Andrew Turner]

Fracked out was a bad choice of words, definitely still in working order. 
I'm in the same boat, got 8 speeds but no 9 speeds, but no worries, the 
silver shifter's doin' just fine in the meantime. 

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:29:20 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Turns out I have a total of four Shimano barcon shifters: three fronts and 
> one 8sp rear.  So I can't help.  My two 9sp barcon shifters are on bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 4:23:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> What does 'fracked out' mean?  Does it mean worn out and broken?  Are you 
>> looking for a working 9sp shifter at a fair price, or something that's so 
>> broken I might throw it away, so you can have it for cheap/free?  Does 
>> 'fracked out' mean cosmetically ugly and cheap but mechanically good?  More 
>> to the point, what's your budget?  I see on ebay things are in the $65 to 
>> $90 range for both shifters.  I presume you want to spend less than that 
>> for one?
>>
>> I will look in my shifter box and see what I have.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Hey group! 
>>> If anyone's got a 9 speed shimano bar end shifter, I'd play ball. I'm 
>>> only interested in the one, as this is gonna be a 1x setup. Don't need the 
>>> pod either, really just looking for that lonely, fracked out lever in the 
>>> bottom of y'alls tool chest. 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 9 speed indexed shimano bar end right shifter

[Bill Lindsay]

Turns out I have a total of four Shimano barcon shifters: three fronts and 
one 8sp rear.  So I can't help.  My two 9sp barcon shifters are on bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 4:23:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What does 'fracked out' mean?  Does it mean worn out and broken?  Are you 
> looking for a working 9sp shifter at a fair price, or something that's so 
> broken I might throw it away, so you can have it for cheap/free?  Does 
> 'fracked out' mean cosmetically ugly and cheap but mechanically good?  More 
> to the point, what's your budget?  I see on ebay things are in the $65 to 
> $90 range for both shifters.  I presume you want to spend less than that 
> for one?
>
> I will look in my shifter box and see what I have.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Hey group! 
>> If anyone's got a 9 speed shimano bar end shifter, I'd play ball. I'm 
>> only interested in the one, as this is gonna be a 1x setup. Don't need the 
>> pod either, really just looking for that lonely, fracked out lever in the 
>> bottom of y'alls tool chest. 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Andrew
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 9 speed indexed shimano bar end right shifter

[Bill Lindsay]

What does 'fracked out' mean?  Does it mean worn out and broken?  Are you 
looking for a working 9sp shifter at a fair price, or something that's so 
broken I might throw it away, so you can have it for cheap/free?  Does 
'fracked out' mean cosmetically ugly and cheap but mechanically good?  More 
to the point, what's your budget?  I see on ebay things are in the $65 to 
$90 range for both shifters.  I presume you want to spend less than that 
for one?

I will look in my shifter box and see what I have.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Hey group! 
> If anyone's got a 9 speed shimano bar end shifter, I'd play ball. I'm only 
> interested in the one, as this is gonna be a 1x setup. Don't need the pod 
> either, really just looking for that lonely, fracked out lever in the 
> bottom of y'alls tool chest. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[Ryan]

I used to have Campy Super Record (80's or so?) brakes and levers on my Riv 
Road. Yes, aesthetically , classic Campy is hard to beat. Yes, I first 
thought the TRP RRL's were a bit over the top. But when I paired them with 
the Grand Cru brakes sold by VO, functionally, they were far better than 
the Campagnolo brakes they replaced. And ergonomically , the levers with 
those nice roomy gum hoods are super comfortable with the nifty added bonus 
of a button on the   inboard side of the levers that opens the sidepulls 
even more than the quick-release on the brake arms does.  Nice if you run 
fatter tires.  Wonder how that'll work with the Paul centerpulls.  I got 
the drilled levers with the gum hoods; you might like the plain ones better 
since they're quite understated. 

Laing...you sure have an impressive fleet of Rivendells and impeccable 
taste. Your pinstriped custom below is gorgeous. What is that colour?  
Looks almost caramel coloured. 

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-6 atreya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Wow Liang! That's a very pretty bike. Those levers do look damn good! Now 
> I have to decide between ergo and looks.  I keep hearing great thing about 
> TRP RRLs but definitely prefer the looks of non aero levers...
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> I have the drilled VO versions on my Frank Jones SR on traditional Maes 
>> Bend Nittos. I went with NOS Weinmanns on my Custom because the are wider 
>> (on Randonneur bars).
>> [image: IMG_1754 (3).JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had the Velo-Orange version on a build. ( 
>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-levers/products/gran-compe-202-non-aero-brake-levers-drilled
>>>  
>>> ).  They are very narrow, not at all like todays style of brake hood.  They 
>>> also seem to work best with drop bars with a traditional shape/bend rather 
>>> than the modern styles.  Mounted further down on the bend rather than up 
>>> towards the ramps.
>>>
>>> Not my bike but an example of traditional bar/brake lever.
>>> [image: viner-special-professional-red-vintage-road-bike-1.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would fit 
 with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones being 
 thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare snoqualmie 
 , which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .

 I think I got those final few paul racers online !
 I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
  
 . Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these ? 
 Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably ? 
 I am not digging the looks of trp. 
 On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time. 
>  Had to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 
> 559s.  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The 
> smooth treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down 
> tube 
> took a beating.
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame 
>> purchase! 
>>
>> My thoughts: 
>> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires 
>> run bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd 
>> be 
>> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
>> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
>> realized. 
>> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so 
>> your Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
>> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not 
>> up on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that 
>> Paul pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>>
>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off 
>>> ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>>
>>>
>>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>>> RH Oracle ridge
>>> Shimano nexave RD
>>> RH 42-26 cranks
>>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>>> Silver bar end shifters
>>> Nitto noodle bars
>>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>>> TRP rrl brake levers
>>> Paul components racers

[RBW] Looking for quality 26”

[sam . perez . 2002]

Hi ,
Looking for quiet quality 26” rear wheel to fit 2.3 tires, looking to set up as 
a 9s.

Thanks!


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[RBW] WTB: 9 speed indexed shimano bar end right shifter

[Andrew Turner]

Hey group! 
If anyone's got a 9 speed shimano bar end shifter, I'd play ball. I'm only 
interested in the one, as this is gonna be a 1x setup. Don't need the pod 
either, really just looking for that lonely, fracked out lever in the 
bottom of y'alls tool chest. 

Thanks, 
Andrew

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[lconley]

Silver 1 downtube shifters on downtube mounts. Nobilette made the 
adjustable cable/shifter stops.

Laing

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 1:21:10 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Wow! I could just keep staring at those bikes forever. Very interesting 
> placement of shifters. Looks like a good compromise between aesthetics and 
> comfort . Are those stem mounts?
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:01:02 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> The are the Weinmanns with Cane Creek hoods:
>> [image: IMG_0032 (2).JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 12:21:29 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Liang! That's a very pretty bike. Those levers do look damn good! 
>>> Now I have to decide between ergo and looks.  I keep hearing great thing 
>>> about TRP RRLs but definitely prefer the looks of non aero levers...
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I have the drilled VO versions on my Frank Jones SR on traditional Maes 
 Bend Nittos. I went with NOS Weinmanns on my Custom because the are wider 
 (on Randonneur bars).
 [image: IMG_1754 (3).JPG]

 Laing

 On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I had the Velo-Orange version on a build. ( 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-levers/products/gran-compe-202-non-aero-brake-levers-drilled
>  
> ).  They are very narrow, not at all like todays style of brake hood.  
> They 
> also seem to work best with drop bars with a traditional shape/bend 
> rather 
> than the modern styles.  Mounted further down on the bend rather than up 
> towards the ramps.
>
> Not my bike but an example of traditional bar/brake lever.
> [image: viner-special-professional-red-vintage-road-bike-1.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would 
>> fit with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones 
>> being thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare 
>> snoqualmie , which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .
>>
>> I think I got those final few paul racers online !
>> I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero 
>> ( 
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
>>  
>> . Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these 
>> ? 
>> Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably 
>> ? 
>> I am not digging the looks of trp. 
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time. 
>>>  Had to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 
>>> 559s.  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The 
>>> smooth treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down 
>>> tube 
>>> took a beating.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame 
 purchase! 

 My thoughts: 
 - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse 
 tires run bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, 
 and 
 I'd be surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, 
 Hurricane Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I 
 haven't realized. 
 - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so 
 your Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
 - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are 
 not up on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled 
 that 
 Paul pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 

 On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce 
> off ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>
>
> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
> RH Oracle ridge
> Shimano nexave RD
> RH 42-26 cranks
> 11-36 9speed cassette 
> Silver bar end shifters
> Nitto noodle bars
> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
> TRP rrl brake levers
> Paul components racers
>
> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if 
> you have ordered one too how are you building it ?
>
>
>
>
>

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Joe Bernard]

Tentacles! I remember them being called that because I came up with it. 
Then Grant popped in here and said "they're tentacular!" 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:13:30 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I bought what I think is a Mystery Bike from Rivendell, it hung around as 
> a shop bike for a number of years before they sold it - much longer 
> wheelbase, maybe it was a Mystery bike prototype. many photos before the 
> sale referred to it as the long bike:
> [image: tben-5_72e1d376-f37d-4286-8031-c2f5e0f30f2e_1600x.jpg]
> It had an Appaloosa head badge and Protovelo decal on it when it was sold 
> to me as an Protoveloosa. It is now a single speed:
> [image: 3.jpg]
>  I also have a diagatube Bombadil:
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> I built it up as a 3x7 touring bike - sorry about the bad picture:
> [image: IMG_0265 (2).JPG]
>
> Laing
> Two Rivendells with diagatubes and tentacles.
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:47:21 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>
>> The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so 
>> 2012'ish sounds about right.  
>>
>> My memory is that Grant put out feelers for 10 people to buy a new bike, 
>> completely sight unseen with no input (I don't remember if they were 
>> allowed to choose color) into the bike.  I don't recall if they were 
>> completes or F/F/H, but $4000 sticks in my mind as being the cost.  
>>
>> I have several really good photos that were posted of those bikes.  
>>
>> [image: Joe Appaloosa (5).jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:14:05 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to go 
>>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to 
>>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part, 
>>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>>
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition? 
>>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road 
>>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>>
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome 
>>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
>>> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
>>> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
>>> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure 
>>> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting 
>>> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end. 
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My 
 comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or 
 "mystery bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know it 
 was 'sort of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying 
 customers - exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were - 
 with no design input from the buyers and - unlike those others - they DID 
 have an actual model name and head badge.  I don't think I'd consider them 
 insignificant either, as they were the experience that led to the current 
 long chainstay, longer top tube models and the big swept-back bars like 
 the 
 bosco.  Kind of key to understanding the whole evolution.


 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
> Standard, I think by '96.
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv 
>> Readers, as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via 
>> archive.org (it was veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was 
>> rivendellbicycles.com, then moved to the current home of rivbike.com 
>> - I've perused probably upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites 
>> today).  
>>
>> I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of 
>> you so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point 
>> out 
>> omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of 
>> some 
>> of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where 
>> each 
>> model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in 
>> addition 
>> to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
>> takes.  

[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Wow! I could just keep staring at those bikes forever. Very interesting 
placement of shifters. Looks like a good compromise between aesthetics and 
comfort . Are those stem mounts?

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:01:02 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> The are the Weinmanns with Cane Creek hoods:
> [image: IMG_0032 (2).JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 12:21:29 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow Liang! That's a very pretty bike. Those levers do look damn good! Now 
>> I have to decide between ergo and looks.  I keep hearing great thing about 
>> TRP RRLs but definitely prefer the looks of non aero levers...
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I have the drilled VO versions on my Frank Jones SR on traditional Maes 
>>> Bend Nittos. I went with NOS Weinmanns on my Custom because the are wider 
>>> (on Randonneur bars).
>>> [image: IMG_1754 (3).JPG]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I had the Velo-Orange version on a build. ( 
 https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-levers/products/gran-compe-202-non-aero-brake-levers-drilled
  
 ).  They are very narrow, not at all like todays style of brake hood.  
 They 
 also seem to work best with drop bars with a traditional shape/bend rather 
 than the modern styles.  Mounted further down on the bend rather than up 
 towards the ramps.

 Not my bike but an example of traditional bar/brake lever.
 [image: viner-special-professional-red-vintage-road-bike-1.jpg]

 On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would 
> fit with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones 
> being thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare 
> snoqualmie , which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .
>
> I think I got those final few paul racers online !
> I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
>  
> . Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these 
> ? 
> Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably 
> ? 
> I am not digging the looks of trp. 
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time. 
>>  Had to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 
>> 559s.  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The 
>> smooth treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down 
>> tube 
>> took a beating.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame 
>>> purchase! 
>>>
>>> My thoughts: 
>>> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires 
>>> run bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd 
>>> be 
>>> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
>>> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
>>> realized. 
>>> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so 
>>> your Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
>>> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not 
>>> up on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that 
>>> Paul pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce 
 off ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list


 Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
 RH Oracle ridge
 Shimano nexave RD
 RH 42-26 cranks
 11-36 9speed cassette 
 Silver bar end shifters
 Nitto noodle bars
 Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
 TRP rrl brake levers
 Paul components racers

 What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you 
 have ordered one too how are you building it ?








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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug shop tour

[SurlyProf]

I think the narrator thought Frank Jones was a framebuilder and Platypus 
was a brand!   Fun to revisit the place, especially when I'm not sure 
they'd let us back in the country right now.  Blue Lug was probably the 
coolest bike shop I think I've ever been to.  It was farther out than I 
expected but I knew I was getting close as I emerged from my walk through 
Yoyogi Park and saw a Clem H locked up outside of a cafe.  Their selection 
was impressive and the people were so nice.  I wish I had been more 
prepared with a bag plan.  Will said they have their own bag shop and their 
bags are really innovative and beautiful with great fabrics.  I was 
interested in several but couldn't be sure if they'd work for me.  Probably 
should have picked up one of their basket totes.  They seem to have changed 
it on their website and I liked the old design better (more like the one at 
1:58 in the video).  All I could think to buy was a t shirt and get my 
photo taken in the sign.  When they found out I ride a Riv, they loaded me 
with cool stickers.  Blue Lug Hatagaya is must see for any cyclist 
(especially Riv) that goes to Tokyo.  Thanks for sharing the video link.

John
Niles, CA

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 7:12:39 PM UTC-8 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:

> https://youtu.be/CcIEsp-n4no
> I thought this video tour of Blue Lug would be of interest to the group. I 
> could spend hours in that shop! Unfortunately he isn't familiar with 
> Rivendell, so he didn't fawn over them. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Wow Liang! That's a very pretty bike. Those levers do look damn good! Now I 
have to decide between ergo and looks.  I keep hearing great thing about 
TRP RRLs but definitely prefer the looks of non aero levers...

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I have the drilled VO versions on my Frank Jones SR on traditional Maes 
> Bend Nittos. I went with NOS Weinmanns on my Custom because the are wider 
> (on Randonneur bars).
> [image: IMG_1754 (3).JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I had the Velo-Orange version on a build. ( 
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-levers/products/gran-compe-202-non-aero-brake-levers-drilled
>>  
>> ).  They are very narrow, not at all like todays style of brake hood.  They 
>> also seem to work best with drop bars with a traditional shape/bend rather 
>> than the modern styles.  Mounted further down on the bend rather than up 
>> towards the ramps.
>>
>> Not my bike but an example of traditional bar/brake lever.
>> [image: viner-special-professional-red-vintage-road-bike-1.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:24:22 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would fit 
>>> with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones being 
>>> thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare snoqualmie 
>>> , which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .
>>>
>>> I think I got those final few paul racers online !
>>> I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
>>>  
>>> . Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these ? 
>>> Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably ? 
>>> I am not digging the looks of trp. 
>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time. 
  Had to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 
 559s.  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The 
 smooth treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down 
 tube 
 took a beating.

 On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame 
> purchase! 
>
> My thoughts: 
> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires 
> run bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd 
> be 
> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
> realized. 
> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
> Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not 
> up on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that 
> Paul pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>
> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off 
>> ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>
>>
>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>> RH Oracle ridge
>> Shimano nexave RD
>> RH 42-26 cranks
>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>> Silver bar end shifters
>> Nitto noodle bars
>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>> TRP rrl brake levers
>> Paul components racers
>>
>> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you 
>> have ordered one too how are you building it ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Thanks for inputs . I was told by riv folks that oracle ridge would fit 
with Pacenti brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones being 
thrown up ( might use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare snoqualmie 
, which I will swap in case it doesn’t work out .

I think I got those final few paul racers online !
I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
 
. Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these ? 
Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably ? 
I am not digging the looks of trp. 
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time.  Had 
> to deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 559s. 
>  Off pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The smooth 
> treaded Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down tube took a 
> beating.
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame purchase! 
>>
>> My thoughts: 
>> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires run 
>> bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd be 
>> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
>> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
>> realized. 
>> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
>> Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
>> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not up 
>> on the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that Paul 
>> pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>>
>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off 
>>> ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>>
>>>
>>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>>> RH Oracle ridge
>>> Shimano nexave RD
>>> RH 42-26 cranks
>>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>>> Silver bar end shifters
>>> Nitto noodle bars
>>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>>> TRP rrl brake levers
>>> Paul components racers
>>>
>>> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you have 
>>> ordered one too how are you building it ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[deepak atreya]

Thanks for inputs . I will told by riv folks that oracle ridge would fit with 
Brevet rims . Will be on the look out for small stones being thrown up ( might 
use a clear tube protector ) . I have a spare snoqualmie , which I will swap in 
case it doesn’t work out .

I think I got those final few paul racers online !
I am thinking of swapping the brake lever to these diacompe non aero ( 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/gran-compe-brake-lever-set-gc202q-qr-2849?category=718)
 . Looks like they come with o ring for grips . Any experience with these ? 
Will the ergonomics and comfort suffer compared to trp rrls considerably ? I am 
not digging the looks of trp. 

Cheers ,
Deepak

> On Nov 30, 2021, at 21:54, David Person  wrote:
> 
> I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time.  Had to 
> deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 559s.  Off 
> pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The smooth treaded 
> Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down tube took a beating.
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame purchase! 
>> 
>> My thoughts: 
>> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires run 
>> bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd be 
>> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
>> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't realized. 
>> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
>> Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
>> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not up on 
>> the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that Paul 
>> pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off ideas 
>>> on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>>> RH Oracle ridge
>>> Shimano nexave RD
>>> RH 42-26 cranks
>>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>>> Silver bar end shifters
>>> Nitto noodle bars
>>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>>> TRP rrl brake levers
>>> Paul components racers
>>> 
>>> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you have 
>>> ordered one too how are you building it ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Oh - that was in 2010 of course.  

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 7:25:39 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the first 
> diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

[ascpgh]

That's a good find.

I find aesthetic displeasure with that era of the Shimano MTB hubs. 
"Parallax" was a design cue taken from the boutique part makers that were 
becoming the dreams and bucket list items of cyclists instead of Shimano's 
upper 
end parts. Their design language took from the greater simplicity of those, 
their more linear appearance and wider bearing stance. By doing so Shimano 
departed from aesthetically pleasing lines like these 
.
 
Rough example, but same design era as the grail era XTR hubs lots of rando 
folks still seek.

Those black plastic cone seals of the Parallax hubs confused some folks. 
They were fixed at the axle and rotate at their wide skirt interface with 
an O-ring in a groove in the end of the hub body. I think it was 
engineering to a design to get the wider bearing stance rather than the 
best engineering providing shelter for those bearings. BITD we saw a few of 
them that didn't cipher to owners who thought were broken then did it for 
real, tearing up the fixture for holding the small end at the axle. If not 
intact, they left the wider stance ball bearings, race, cone and grease 
were pretty much out in the daylight. They were first available as the 
pricey axle and hardware assembly, certainly parts that if not intact now 
should give pause to any effort to build one into a wheel. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Earlier in the thread I recommended vintage Deore XT rear hubs, and the OP 
> bought one of mine from me.  I stumbled upon an ebay seller offering 
> vintage 32 hole Deore XT front hubs at the super low price of $18 shipped 
> (m737, skewer included).  Front hubs never blow up, but dang that's a great 
> price.  I'd pay $15 for the skewer on its own!  Front hubs also make cool 
> fidget tchotchkes for your desk, or maybe you want to try wheelbuilding and 
> need a hub.  I bought three of them.  
>
> Here's the ebay site:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/393148158087
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Whenever I'm looking for a good, reliable and affordable 135mm OLD rear 
>> hub I still think there are not a lot of better choices than Japanese made 
>> Deore XT.  Here's a nice used hubset for $75:  
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353771592695?hash=item525e6e1bf7:g:vlkAAOSw9URhk2vJ
>>
>> If you prefer to have NIB or NOS, then you likely will pay more.  I 
>> believe I have an NIB M750 rear hub.  Let me know if you want me to look 
>> for it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:18:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
>>> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
>>> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
>>> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
>>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>>
>>

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