[RBW] Re: FS: Ron's bag, Cliffhanger rims, RBW hat, etc

[Ray Varella]

Hi Taylor,
Are the Cliffhanger rims still available?

Thank you 
Ray

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 5:58:11 PM UTC-8 Taylor M wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm clearing out some things from my parts bin. Buyer pays shipping. Let 
> me know if you're interested :)
>
> *Fabio's Tech Fanny*, Large, Black lava doom. New, never used. $165.
>
> *Swift Industries Zeitgeist Bag*, Black heather VX21. Like new condition, 
> lightly used twice. $200.
>
> Pair of *Velocity Cliffhanger rims*, 27.5" (650b), 32h, polished. New, 
> never used. $240.
>
> *RWB/Blue Lug hat*, Tan. New, never used. $55.
>
> Pair of *Paul Components Motolite Linear Pull brakes*, Silver. New, never 
> used. $150 each. 
>
> Thanks!
> T
>

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[RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[dougP]

If the saddlebag is too low, how about a support such as the Erlen from 
Ocean Air Cycles:

https://store.oceanaircycles.com/products/erlen-saddle-bag-support-nitto-production

Hardly noticeable with the bag on.

dougP



On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 8:28:38 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> The spike bag says "TIOGA":
> [image: SPIKES.JPG]
> lAING
>
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:16:25 AM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> Re: Double Leg Pletscher:  I have no immediate recommendations for a 
>> double leg substitute with confirmed greater tire clearance but think some 
>> have been suggested here or on iBob in prior threads.  If I remember 
>> correctly some may not fold over to the single side like the Pletscher and 
>> may be more for cargo or long tail bikes.  
>> https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-retractable-dual-leg-kickstand is 
>> another one that has the 'scissor action' but not sure how the clearance 
>> actually compares vs. Plestcher.
>>
>> Anyway, I also found it interfered with a 29x2.xx knobbie on my Clem H.  
>> What ever brand single leg kickstand Riv included with the completes flares 
>> out much more and clears the wide tire just fine so I simply went back to 
>> the stock single leg and set the double aside for another project.  I also 
>> found the Pletscher double had the same issue on another bike of my 
>> spouse's with 26" wheels... those were maybe nominal 1.95" wide and did 
>> clear a bit more than my 29" tires (which had negative clearance) but still 
>> too close for comfort.  Fortunately is works just fine on another 700x35 
>> townie build.
>>
>> Re: Grip Kings:  I also recall the set of screws they sold and with 3 
>> pairs of Grip Kings in the household I was tempted at some point to order 
>> some but never did.  After they started offering the spiked VP's I just put 
>> a set of VP's on the bike I'm most likely to take off road but may still 
>> consider adding some spikes to a set of Grip Kings one of these days.   I 
>> also recall they mentioned the size of the drill bit for pilot holes as 
>> well... might be something that could be found in the wayback machine 
>> archives if nothing else turns up or maybe a call into Riv in case they 
>> still have any lying around?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 3rd time i'm trying this, ill skip pictures for now since they're crappy 
>>> but recently built up an appaloosa from the FFHS and a stock Clem, with a 
>>> few additions from the stock build. since this is boring without words i'll 
>>> try to add the photos in subsequent posts. now my questions:
>>>
>>> does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an 
>>> inch too low and touching the rear wheel? i was hoping to avoid racks on 
>>> this back entirely just because my city bike has front and rear racks, and 
>>> generally all the fixings. the bag is the slim sucker, before it was called 
>>> the slim sucker. terms out it's not slim enough and i'm the sucker.
>>>
>>> before the most recent iteration, riv used to sell self tapping (i 
>>> think) set screws for grip kings. well it turns out grip kings aren't so 
>>> grippy so i'd like to get a set of them for both bikes. does anyone know 
>>> what the size spec is so i can not make a mistake ordering or buying them?
>>>
>>> a double leg plestcher is rubbing against the knobs on my appaloosa 
>>> tires. any tips for making that disappear? obvious choices are to file down 
>>> the area on the kickstand, but i'm wondering if thats too obvious and a 
>>> wrong choice.
>>>
>>> the next is maybe a WTB - my wife's clem came with what i think are 
>>> pretty terrible brake levers, I removed them and replaced them with a 
>>> shimano offering I later realized was short pull and I need long for the 
>>> v-brakes on there. i want to keep them silver and classic - most options in 
>>> the well priced range are sold out or only available in black. i'm 
>>> considering going for the IRD cafam (really i'd love to just get her paul 
>>> comp but it would be a real splurge)
>>>
>>> same goes for the rear shifter - the trigger on that back is maybe not 
>>> the greatest for her. was thinking of just sourcing a sunrace rear 9 speed 
>>> because it matches the front derailleur already on the bike. anyone have 
>>> one lying around they decided they don't need?
>>>
>>> thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Nice, thanks Laing!  Didn't even realize they may have still been offered 
on the current site (admittedly didn't check and assumed they weren't based 
in Michael's request.)  Adding my email to stock notifications in case they 
do come back in stock.

Just remembered an alteration that could help - I recall mention somewhere 
of filing the hole in the kickstand plate to allow side to side offset of 
the kickstand... so rather than removing material and support of the 
kickstand leg itself you could just turn the bolt hole in the plate into 
more of a slot to allow some offset.  I'm pretty certain this came up in a 
similar discussion around the same Pletscher stand.  I likely forgot since 
I also found the Clem plate did not completely fit the stand I have... or 
vice versa.  Maybe just the thickness of the paint combined with some 
tolerances of the base of the kickstand itself but not only did the tire 
interfere but the stand was not fully seating into the bottom of the plate 
so I abandoned based on those 2 factors.  

Gus Boots and Susie Longbolts I think address the kickstand/tire clearance 
by offsetting the bolt hole in the plate.  But with a centered hole some 
round filing may do the trick depending how much movement you need and I'd 
be more comfortable filing just a hole in the plate than bending anything 
or filing the leg of the stand.  Just my 2 cents but best of luck on 
whatever solution you find works best!   

On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 11:28:38 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> The spike bag says "TIOGA":
> [image: SPIKES.JPG]
> lAING
>
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:16:25 AM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> Re: Double Leg Pletscher:  I have no immediate recommendations for a 
>> double leg substitute with confirmed greater tire clearance but think some 
>> have been suggested here or on iBob in prior threads.  If I remember 
>> correctly some may not fold over to the single side like the Pletscher and 
>> may be more for cargo or long tail bikes.  
>> https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-retractable-dual-leg-kickstand is 
>> another one that has the 'scissor action' but not sure how the clearance 
>> actually compares vs. Plestcher.
>>
>> Anyway, I also found it interfered with a 29x2.xx knobbie on my Clem H.  
>> What ever brand single leg kickstand Riv included with the completes flares 
>> out much more and clears the wide tire just fine so I simply went back to 
>> the stock single leg and set the double aside for another project.  I also 
>> found the Pletscher double had the same issue on another bike of my 
>> spouse's with 26" wheels... those were maybe nominal 1.95" wide and did 
>> clear a bit more than my 29" tires (which had negative clearance) but still 
>> too close for comfort.  Fortunately is works just fine on another 700x35 
>> townie build.
>>
>> Re: Grip Kings:  I also recall the set of screws they sold and with 3 
>> pairs of Grip Kings in the household I was tempted at some point to order 
>> some but never did.  After they started offering the spiked VP's I just put 
>> a set of VP's on the bike I'm most likely to take off road but may still 
>> consider adding some spikes to a set of Grip Kings one of these days.   I 
>> also recall they mentioned the size of the drill bit for pilot holes as 
>> well... might be something that could be found in the wayback machine 
>> archives if nothing else turns up or maybe a call into Riv in case they 
>> still have any lying around?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 3rd time i'm trying this, ill skip pictures for now since they're crappy 
>>> but recently built up an appaloosa from the FFHS and a stock Clem, with a 
>>> few additions from the stock build. since this is boring without words i'll 
>>> try to add the photos in subsequent posts. now my questions:
>>>
>>> does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an 
>>> inch too low and touching the rear wheel? i was hoping to avoid racks on 
>>> this back entirely just because my city bike has front and rear racks, and 
>>> generally all the fixings. the bag is the slim sucker, before it was called 
>>> the slim sucker. terms out it's not slim enough and i'm the sucker.
>>>
>>> before the most recent iteration, riv used to sell self tapping (i 
>>> think) set screws for grip kings. well it turns out grip kings aren't so 
>>> grippy so i'd like to get a set of them for both bikes. does anyone know 
>>> what the size spec is so i can not make a mistake ordering or buying them?
>>>
>>> a double leg plestcher is rubbing against the knobs on my appaloosa 
>>> tires. any tips for making that disappear? obvious choices are to file down 
>>> the area on the kickstand, but i'm wondering if thats too obvious and a 
>>> wrong choice.
>>>
>>> the next is maybe a WTB - my wife's clem came with what i think are 
>>> pretty terrible brake levers, I removed them and replaced them with a 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Michael Baquerizo]

hey - thanks for the info RE other kickstands. i actually have a stock clem 
one (super light, and adjustable) and a greenfield one (although it's been 
cut in its life, not sure if it'll fit properly for the appa)

i was hoping for fixes on the current plestcher. it's sort of part of my 
idea of the platonic ideal of a riv. i'm weirdly inflexible like that. the 
guy at my lbs suggested a mix of bending the kickstand plate out a bit, and 
some filing of the leg in the offending area. i'm down to try those options 
(could not find my file for the life of me) but haven't gotten around to 
it. 

thanks Johnny for the rear sunrace shifter. 

On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:16:25 AM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Re: Double Leg Pletscher:  I have no immediate recommendations for a 
> double leg substitute with confirmed greater tire clearance but think some 
> have been suggested here or on iBob in prior threads.  If I remember 
> correctly some may not fold over to the single side like the Pletscher and 
> may be more for cargo or long tail bikes.  
> https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-retractable-dual-leg-kickstand is 
> another one that has the 'scissor action' but not sure how the clearance 
> actually compares vs. Plestcher.
>
> Anyway, I also found it interfered with a 29x2.xx knobbie on my Clem H.  
> What ever brand single leg kickstand Riv included with the completes flares 
> out much more and clears the wide tire just fine so I simply went back to 
> the stock single leg and set the double aside for another project.  I also 
> found the Pletscher double had the same issue on another bike of my 
> spouse's with 26" wheels... those were maybe nominal 1.95" wide and did 
> clear a bit more than my 29" tires (which had negative clearance) but still 
> too close for comfort.  Fortunately is works just fine on another 700x35 
> townie build.
>
> Re: Grip Kings:  I also recall the set of screws they sold and with 3 
> pairs of Grip Kings in the household I was tempted at some point to order 
> some but never did.  After they started offering the spiked VP's I just put 
> a set of VP's on the bike I'm most likely to take off road but may still 
> consider adding some spikes to a set of Grip Kings one of these days.   I 
> also recall they mentioned the size of the drill bit for pilot holes as 
> well... might be something that could be found in the wayback machine 
> archives if nothing else turns up or maybe a call into Riv in case they 
> still have any lying around?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> 3rd time i'm trying this, ill skip pictures for now since they're crappy 
>> but recently built up an appaloosa from the FFHS and a stock Clem, with a 
>> few additions from the stock build. since this is boring without words i'll 
>> try to add the photos in subsequent posts. now my questions:
>>
>> does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an 
>> inch too low and touching the rear wheel? i was hoping to avoid racks on 
>> this back entirely just because my city bike has front and rear racks, and 
>> generally all the fixings. the bag is the slim sucker, before it was called 
>> the slim sucker. terms out it's not slim enough and i'm the sucker.
>>
>> before the most recent iteration, riv used to sell self tapping (i think) 
>> set screws for grip kings. well it turns out grip kings aren't so grippy so 
>> i'd like to get a set of them for both bikes. does anyone know what the 
>> size spec is so i can not make a mistake ordering or buying them?
>>
>> a double leg plestcher is rubbing against the knobs on my appaloosa 
>> tires. any tips for making that disappear? obvious choices are to file down 
>> the area on the kickstand, but i'm wondering if thats too obvious and a 
>> wrong choice.
>>
>> the next is maybe a WTB - my wife's clem came with what i think are 
>> pretty terrible brake levers, I removed them and replaced them with a 
>> shimano offering I later realized was short pull and I need long for the 
>> v-brakes on there. i want to keep them silver and classic - most options in 
>> the well priced range are sold out or only available in black. i'm 
>> considering going for the IRD cafam (really i'd love to just get her paul 
>> comp but it would be a real splurge)
>>
>> same goes for the rear shifter - the trigger on that back is maybe not 
>> the greatest for her. was thinking of just sourcing a sunrace rear 9 speed 
>> because it matches the front derailleur already on the bike. anyone have 
>> one lying around they decided they don't need?
>>
>> thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Nutmeg Nor'Easter Riv Focused Video

[Edwin W]

Lots of Riv content in here!
https://theradavist.com/2021/11/2021-nutmeg-noreaster-video-recap/

Viewing from afar,

Edwin in Nashville

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deore shadow M592 rear mech + friction silver bar-end shifter conundrum

[Andrew Turner]

Figured out the culprit. I had the cable housing running from the shifter 
pod all the way up the full length of the drop handlebar. I think the 
shallow drop and sharp angles of the modern Ritchey Butano bars was a bit 
too much for the cable to run smoothly in friction mode. I redid the 
routing and it works like a charm now. Adjusting the B limit screw also 
(mostly) fixed the rubbing problem with the shadow derailleur. 

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 6:36:03 PM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Noted! Maybe I'll stick to it then. It has been over a year since I've run 
> 9 speeds. 
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 5:28 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Ah, everything was different: closer ratio gearing, closer-spaced cogs 
>> and a longer lever to shift them. I can see how the shifting to bigger 
>> 9-speed cogs would require more effort. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 2:45:03 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> The "before" was/is an Ultegra 11 speed rear mech. 6800 I think? 11 
>>> speed cassette and downtube friction shifters (Silver). Very normal 
>>> pressure needed to move the chain. I'm gonna try to run it next with the 9 
>>> speed cassette and a roadlink.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 3:27 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 I've read some other comments about having shifting issues with that RD 
 in the lowest gears. 
 So what do you have on hand ? Any friction or other shifters ? A normal 
 RD ? 
 If you have only one start with the one you have. If you have both I'd 
 start with the trying a normal RD. 
 Doesn't it state on the Riv page the "nobody squawks at a Deore" ?
 Hah hah ... the w-w-w is a very large place and the squawking do take 
 place. 
 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:55:34 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I've got the Deore shadow rear mech that Riv sells, a 12-36 9 speed 
> cassette and Silver bar-end shifters and I noticed it takes waay more 
> effort to pull the lever up to run the lower gears than before. I'm 
> considering using their downtube shifters for a little extra leverage. Is 
> this due to the stronger spring in the rear mech or what? Is there 
> something i can do or will time and use make it easier?  
>
> And just to vent, this shadow design is a little, well, dumb. I can't 
> throw the chain across the whole range to the small cog without it 
> getting 
> stuck on the part of the mech where the limit screws are. Not that I 
> would 
> ever do that but damn. 

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[RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Re: Double Leg Pletscher:  I have no immediate recommendations for a double 
leg substitute with confirmed greater tire clearance but think some have 
been suggested here or on iBob in prior threads.  If I remember correctly 
some may not fold over to the single side like the Pletscher and may be 
more for cargo or long tail bikes.  
https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-retractable-dual-leg-kickstand is 
another one that has the 'scissor action' but not sure how the clearance 
actually compares vs. Plestcher.

Anyway, I also found it interfered with a 29x2.xx knobbie on my Clem H.  
What ever brand single leg kickstand Riv included with the completes flares 
out much more and clears the wide tire just fine so I simply went back to 
the stock single leg and set the double aside for another project.  I also 
found the Pletscher double had the same issue on another bike of my 
spouse's with 26" wheels... those were maybe nominal 1.95" wide and did 
clear a bit more than my 29" tires (which had negative clearance) but still 
too close for comfort.  Fortunately is works just fine on another 700x35 
townie build.

Re: Grip Kings:  I also recall the set of screws they sold and with 3 pairs 
of Grip Kings in the household I was tempted at some point to order some 
but never did.  After they started offering the spiked VP's I just put a 
set of VP's on the bike I'm most likely to take off road but may still 
consider adding some spikes to a set of Grip Kings one of these days.   I 
also recall they mentioned the size of the drill bit for pilot holes as 
well... might be something that could be found in the wayback machine 
archives if nothing else turns up or maybe a call into Riv in case they 
still have any lying around?



On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> 3rd time i'm trying this, ill skip pictures for now since they're crappy 
> but recently built up an appaloosa from the FFHS and a stock Clem, with a 
> few additions from the stock build. since this is boring without words i'll 
> try to add the photos in subsequent posts. now my questions:
>
> does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an inch 
> too low and touching the rear wheel? i was hoping to avoid racks on this 
> back entirely just because my city bike has front and rear racks, and 
> generally all the fixings. the bag is the slim sucker, before it was called 
> the slim sucker. terms out it's not slim enough and i'm the sucker.
>
> before the most recent iteration, riv used to sell self tapping (i think) 
> set screws for grip kings. well it turns out grip kings aren't so grippy so 
> i'd like to get a set of them for both bikes. does anyone know what the 
> size spec is so i can not make a mistake ordering or buying them?
>
> a double leg plestcher is rubbing against the knobs on my appaloosa tires. 
> any tips for making that disappear? obvious choices are to file down the 
> area on the kickstand, but i'm wondering if thats too obvious and a wrong 
> choice.
>
> the next is maybe a WTB - my wife's clem came with what i think are pretty 
> terrible brake levers, I removed them and replaced them with a shimano 
> offering I later realized was short pull and I need long for the v-brakes 
> on there. i want to keep them silver and classic - most options in the well 
> priced range are sold out or only available in black. i'm considering going 
> for the IRD cafam (really i'd love to just get her paul comp but it would 
> be a real splurge)
>
> same goes for the rear shifter - the trigger on that back is maybe not the 
> greatest for her. was thinking of just sourcing a sunrace rear 9 speed 
> because it matches the front derailleur already on the bike. anyone have 
> one lying around they decided they don't need?
>
> thanks in advance!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ron's bag, Cliffhanger rims, RBW hat, etc

[a spen]

Sent a message to you yesterday,  hopefully it made it to you.
Thanks! 
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:40:37 PM UTC-6 Taylor M wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who expressed interest! The Tech Fanny has sold and the 
> RWB/Blue Lug hat is pending. Below are the remaining items with some price 
> drops and new additions.
>
> Happy to share photos if you're interested in something specific.
>
> Fabio's Tech Fanny, Large, Black lava doom. New, never used. $165. *Sold*
>
> RWB/Blue Lug hat, Tan. New, never used. $55. *Sale pending*
>
> Swift Industries Zeitgeist Bag, Black heather VX21. Like new condition, 
> lightly used twice. $180.
>
>
> Pair of Velocity Cliffhanger rims, 27.5" (650b), 32h, polished. New, never 
> used. $240.
>
> Pair of Paul Components Motolite Linear Pull brakes, Silver. New, never 
> used. $130 each. 
>
> Fabio's Waxed Cordura Fanny, Large, Navy. New, never used. $175. Link 
> 
>  to 
> item on maker's website. 
>
> Brooks Cambium C17 saddle, Orange. New, never installed or used. $110.
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm clearing out some things from my parts bin. Buyer pays shipping. Let 
>> me know if you're interested :)
>>
>> *Fabio's Tech Fanny*, Large, Black lava doom. New, never used. $165.
>>
>> *Swift Industries Zeitgeist Bag*, Black heather VX21. Like new 
>> condition, lightly used twice. $200.
>>
>> Pair of *Velocity Cliffhanger rims*, 27.5" (650b), 32h, polished. New, 
>> never used. $240.
>>
>> *RWB/Blue Lug hat*, Tan. New, never used. $55.
>>
>> Pair of *Paul Components Motolite Linear Pull brakes*, Silver. New, 
>> never used. $150 each. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> T
>>
>

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