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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[rltilley]

Interesting that they used the term “bikepacking” in that 1973 article. I 
assumed that was a more recent term but it looks to have been around a while.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Dec 28, 2021, at 2:13 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> Gotta love all these cool looking and timeless Bicycles !  
> What's funny is that their experiences read as relevant today as any other 
> time or place. 
> I had looked for the article a few days at the time of posting this ago but 
> ran into dead ends. So this AM I felt an urge to see it as I knew it existed 
> online somewhere and readily accessible at that. Lo and behold thanks to 
> the wonders of PFM, here is The May 1973 entire periodical in pdf format.
> 
> https://avalonlibrary.net/National_Geographic/National%20Geographic%201973-05%20143-5%20May.pdf
>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 6:45:08 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>> Well, this is cool! Now, is someone other than me on the lookout for a copy 
>> of the May 1973 Nat Geo article which features '26 pages about bicycling'? 
>> That'd be a fun timepiece to see! 
>> 
>> Thanks Garth!
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:51:14 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> I mean "multiple cogs" of course.
>>> 
>>> 
 adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub
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[RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Joe Bernard]

Michael, 

I suspect there's an official answer from Riv and what some folks are 
willing to file on to make that kickstand work. As Grant once said to me 
about some project or another I asked about, "...after that you're on your 
own, Joe."

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:18:30 PM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> updates : 
>
> spoke to vince at RIV about the kickstand and he hardly let me finish my 
> sentence before saying it just wasn't going to happen. 
>
> but then i came across this - which suggests otherwise. he kinda left me 
> thinking it's not worth a try and now i'm just stuck in purgatory.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/51441668141/in/photolist-2mnHZJM-2jdMVQX-2kH7s6w-2iZ2U5k-2jwLudZ-2kRmEj1-2m2qLeM-2kRmEhh-2dAstdc-2mkaTEH-2mk7cTn-2mk5QX9-2js8raj-2jsct4f-2brxWaD-2kw6o32-2mkaTzc-X8khsx-2m6k5gV-2js8ri5-2kQC16y-2jYTvzc-2jwMC47-2kMtPBF-2kQzArE-2m7yXBS-2mac9n9-2maeQEv-2m7vdEh-2k3huX5-2jsctcg-2m7yXAe-2m7rq4U-2jsctfn-GzCPNA-2m6C3Mn-2k49hox-2kXJVx6-2m7vdDR-2iuCBEd-2kQC16Z-2geTZS6-2k5qh7n-2k5msdK-2k5msnN-2k5mshN-2m3A8Vh-2m3DLu2-2kYNS92-2jdMVPz
>
> happened upon a riv reader article that suggests 1/8" set screws are the 
> correct size for grip king extra grippage.
>
> got the rear rack sorted out. thanks for all the help here, all.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:20:19 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Another option is to file off the threads of the bolt where they come in 
>> contact with the kickstand plate if you only need a little extra clearance. 
>> The threads themselves don't add much strength to the bolt and if you file 
>> off too much and the bolt breaks someday, bolts are cheap and the frame has 
>> not been altered..
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for the recommendations and suggestions - managed to get a 
>>> matching rear thumbie for the bike, and went ahead and ordered a set of 
>>> paul levers because they'll likely be the last set of levers we'll ever 
>>> need. been really digging old shimano mtb stuff lately but didn't want to 
>>> hold out waiting for something in good condition. 
>>>
>>> i think i might get an r14 rack eventually, i like the ones without the 
>>> tombstone. erlen is out of the question, as is the bagman support as i 
>>> think those are better for barrel shaped bags than for the riv offerings. 
>>> heck, even a marks rack would do, but i already put one of those on my 
>>> wife's bike. probably shouldn't steal it from her just yet.
>>>
>>> the pec deck is an idea i've considered, but no, the slim sucker does 
>>> not have any webbing  on the bottom which is a bummer, but it's small so 
>>> probably would have been overkill. 
>>>
>>> im gonna call riv tomrrow to ask about the kickstand. so far the rat 
>>> tail filing out the hole to the left seems to make the most sense, and i 
>>> get with enough torque there wouldn't be any reason for the kickstand to 
>>> move back and forth along the elongated hole. we'll see if they cosign this 
>>> idea or have a better one. i'm sure they've dealt w it before.
>>>
>>> thanks everyone - better pics to come hopefully this weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:45:01 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>
 > does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an 
 inch too low and touching the rear wheel?

 I have small frames and low saddles. I've used both the Swift 
 Industries Catalyst (reinforced X-pac) and the Jacks Supply Co Little 
 Slugger (Cordura or X-pac) successfully. Both have a plastic insert which 
 maintains the body shape when empty. Not very big but can be overstuffed 
 and has loops on the lid to tie on stuff. Both also work well as handlebar 
 bags with longer Voile straps and foam spacers.

 > i was hoping to avoid racks on this back entirely just because my 
 city bike has front and rear racks, and generally all the fixings.

 Would you mind a saddle bag rack? The Carradice Bagman Sport works well 
 with larger saddle bags, like the Swift Industries Zeitgest, and it's not 
 as big a commitment as a dedicated rear rack. Someone mentioned the Ocean 
 Cycles Erlen rack - very elegant and blingy but designed for the Nitto 
 S-83 
 so can be a roll of the dice with other seat posts.

 > the bag is the slim sucker.

 Is your rear flap too long? I bought one recently and the bottom 
 cleared by 3/4" even when I stuffed it but the too-long flap flopped over 
 and rubbed the rear tire. Will said that was ...  not right - actually a 
 couple of inches too long - and I returned the bag for a refund.

 --Ed C.

 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 8:08:33 PM UTC-8 Brent B wrote:

> Michael, 
>
> I also have a very small amount of kickstand rub on one of my bikes 
> with a very slightly out of true rear wheel, and had a neat idea for 

Re: [RBW] Let’s see You’re lame olive and dark gold builds

[sam . perez . 2002]

Lime olive, this is what happens when you use the speech to text.  But yes I’m 
interested in seeing what people came up with.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> "Your"
> 
> Paul brake boss removal: do you mean the brazed-on projections on fork
> legs and seat stays on which the brake arms pivot? I know Paul canti
> brakes but not, specifically, Paul bosses, but if you mean the "axles"
> on which canti and V brake arms pivot, I've done this with non-Paul
> bosses: use hacksaw or, if you are patient, Dremel cutting wheel. File
> remainder until flush with fork leg or seatstay. Clean, primer, paint.
> The same process works with useless cable housing stops and dropout
> derailleur hangers. I've used this entirely crude and entirely
> enjoyable method on several frames when converting from derailleur to
> ss fixed drivetrains.
> 
> If you are interested in indenting a DS chainstay to clear a tight
> ring, I can help with that, too. "Beat, beat, and beat again." Joseph
> Vissarionovich Stalin
> 
> Patrick "hammer, hacksaw, and bastard file" Moore
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 6:46 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> Let’s see You’re lame olive and  dark gold builds!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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[RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Michael Baquerizo]

updates : 

spoke to vince at RIV about the kickstand and he hardly let me finish my 
sentence before saying it just wasn't going to happen. 

but then i came across this - which suggests otherwise. he kinda left me 
thinking it's not worth a try and now i'm just stuck in purgatory.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/51441668141/in/photolist-2mnHZJM-2jdMVQX-2kH7s6w-2iZ2U5k-2jwLudZ-2kRmEj1-2m2qLeM-2kRmEhh-2dAstdc-2mkaTEH-2mk7cTn-2mk5QX9-2js8raj-2jsct4f-2brxWaD-2kw6o32-2mkaTzc-X8khsx-2m6k5gV-2js8ri5-2kQC16y-2jYTvzc-2jwMC47-2kMtPBF-2kQzArE-2m7yXBS-2mac9n9-2maeQEv-2m7vdEh-2k3huX5-2jsctcg-2m7yXAe-2m7rq4U-2jsctfn-GzCPNA-2m6C3Mn-2k49hox-2kXJVx6-2m7vdDR-2iuCBEd-2kQC16Z-2geTZS6-2k5qh7n-2k5msdK-2k5msnN-2k5mshN-2m3A8Vh-2m3DLu2-2kYNS92-2jdMVPz

happened upon a riv reader article that suggests 1/8" set screws are the 
correct size for grip king extra grippage.

got the rear rack sorted out. thanks for all the help here, all.


On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:20:19 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Another option is to file off the threads of the bolt where they come in 
> contact with the kickstand plate if you only need a little extra clearance. 
> The threads themselves don't add much strength to the bolt and if you file 
> off too much and the bolt breaks someday, bolts are cheap and the frame has 
> not been altered..
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> thanks for the recommendations and suggestions - managed to get a 
>> matching rear thumbie for the bike, and went ahead and ordered a set of 
>> paul levers because they'll likely be the last set of levers we'll ever 
>> need. been really digging old shimano mtb stuff lately but didn't want to 
>> hold out waiting for something in good condition. 
>>
>> i think i might get an r14 rack eventually, i like the ones without the 
>> tombstone. erlen is out of the question, as is the bagman support as i 
>> think those are better for barrel shaped bags than for the riv offerings. 
>> heck, even a marks rack would do, but i already put one of those on my 
>> wife's bike. probably shouldn't steal it from her just yet.
>>
>> the pec deck is an idea i've considered, but no, the slim sucker does not 
>> have any webbing  on the bottom which is a bummer, but it's small so 
>> probably would have been overkill. 
>>
>> im gonna call riv tomrrow to ask about the kickstand. so far the rat tail 
>> filing out the hole to the left seems to make the most sense, and i get 
>> with enough torque there wouldn't be any reason for the kickstand to move 
>> back and forth along the elongated hole. we'll see if they cosign this idea 
>> or have a better one. i'm sure they've dealt w it before.
>>
>> thanks everyone - better pics to come hopefully this weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:45:01 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> > does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats an 
>>> inch too low and touching the rear wheel?
>>>
>>> I have small frames and low saddles. I've used both the Swift Industries 
>>> Catalyst (reinforced X-pac) and the Jacks Supply Co Little Slugger (Cordura 
>>> or X-pac) successfully. Both have a plastic insert which maintains the body 
>>> shape when empty. Not very big but can be overstuffed and has loops on the 
>>> lid to tie on stuff. Both also work well as handlebar bags with longer 
>>> Voile straps and foam spacers.
>>>
>>> > i was hoping to avoid racks on this back entirely just because my city 
>>> bike has front and rear racks, and generally all the fixings.
>>>
>>> Would you mind a saddle bag rack? The Carradice Bagman Sport works well 
>>> with larger saddle bags, like the Swift Industries Zeitgest, and it's not 
>>> as big a commitment as a dedicated rear rack. Someone mentioned the Ocean 
>>> Cycles Erlen rack - very elegant and blingy but designed for the Nitto S-83 
>>> so can be a roll of the dice with other seat posts.
>>>
>>> > the bag is the slim sucker.
>>>
>>> Is your rear flap too long? I bought one recently and the bottom cleared 
>>> by 3/4" even when I stuffed it but the too-long flap flopped over and 
>>> rubbed the rear tire. Will said that was ...  not right - actually a couple 
>>> of inches too long - and I returned the bag for a refund.
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 8:08:33 PM UTC-8 Brent B wrote:
>>>
 Michael, 

 I also have a very small amount of kickstand rub on one of my bikes 
 with a very slightly out of true rear wheel, and had a neat idea for 
 temporarily fixing it the other day: 
 [image: kickstand-tire-rub-hack.jpg] 
 I swear, I will true that wheel eventually, and NOT just totally forget 
 about it because it's not making that noise anymore!

 I've had some success using a "Pec Deck 
 " style support 
 for a rear saddlebag on my Atlantis. Gotta say, the idea sketches me out 

[RBW] Re: Removing Paul studs

[Joe Bernard]

I've never had to do it and apparently no one else here has, either, so 
I'll offer advice: Big pliers in heavy towel, grab that raised edge so 
you're off the smooth surface, squeeze gently and twist. Good luck! 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 4:55:19 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:

> Hi all, 
> What’s the correct way to remove the Paul cantilever boss pivots. I’ve not 
> yet exhausted my options but I’d like to error on the side of caution and 
> preserve the smooth surface.
>
> Thanks!
> Samuel 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Let’s see You’re lame olive and dark gold builds

[Patrick Moore]

"Your"

Paul brake boss removal: do you mean the brazed-on projections on fork
legs and seat stays on which the brake arms pivot? I know Paul canti
brakes but not, specifically, Paul bosses, but if you mean the "axles"
on which canti and V brake arms pivot, I've done this with non-Paul
bosses: use hacksaw or, if you are patient, Dremel cutting wheel. File
remainder until flush with fork leg or seatstay. Clean, primer, paint.
The same process works with useless cable housing stops and dropout
derailleur hangers. I've used this entirely crude and entirely
enjoyable method on several frames when converting from derailleur to
ss fixed drivetrains.

If you are interested in indenting a DS chainstay to clear a tight
ring, I can help with that, too. "Beat, beat, and beat again." Joseph
Vissarionovich Stalin

Patrick "hammer, hacksaw, and bastard file" Moore


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[RBW] Let’s see You’re lame olive and dark gold builds

[sam . perez . 2002]

Let’s see You’re lame olive and  dark gold builds!

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[RBW] Removing Paul studs

[sam . perez . 2002]

Hi all,  
What’s the correct way to remove the Paul cantilever boss pivots. I’ve not yet 
exhausted my options but I’d like to error on the side of caution and preserve 
the smooth surface.

Thanks!
Samuel 


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Re: [RBW] Re: My Frank Jones Sr is finally where I want it

[Patrick Moore]

Oh and yes, very nice build.

On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Is it true that Grant has designed a new hillibike frame built around an
> IGH? And that he's designing a new "Silver" line of IHG 2 speed fixed and
> 3, 4, and 5 speed close, medium, and wide ratio hubs, called HilliHubs?
> (Or, it might be HilliHubBubs).
>
> No, it's not true, but it's fun to imagine it.
>
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:44 AM nlerner  wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 12:45:51 AM UTC-5 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>>
>>> I do believe you’re correct, at least I’ve never heard of one. I’ve
>>> considered building up a Sturmey-hubbed 3spd wheel for my FJ, but finding a
>>> nice 120mm OLD hub has been frustrating. Still keeping an eye out for one,
>>> though.
>>>
>>
>> Hi, no need for a new hub. You can swap in a 6 1/4” axle (Sturmey part #
>> HSA.108) on any AW hub and fit it to a frame with a 120mm rear end. You
>> usually do also need a bit longer indicator to make up for the longer
>> spindle. Here’s an axle for sale (not mine, just the result of a Google
>> search):
>>
>>
>> https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/sturmey-archer-hsa107-hsa108-axle-for-aw-ab-ag-hubs-5-34in-or-6-14in---nos
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA USA
>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Looks awesome!  I love the Frank Jones Sr - and dream of building one
 up with Sturmey drum brake hubs, 3spd - I think this is the only caliper
 brake SS bike from Riv (correct me if I'm wrong!) so it's the ideal
 candidate...


 On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 06:29:46 UTC-8 Arthur Mayfield wrote:

> After innumerable changes, I’m finally happy with the way FJ is set up
> (yeah, I know). I have a Sam (caliper brakes) I need to devote some
> attention to, and I’m still modding my old Bianchi Milano after 23 years,
> lol. The FJ is a wonderful, simple, speedy frame, and after kitting it out
> with various wheel and tire combinations, single and double gearing, 
> racks,
> bags, bells, and other assorted junk (for this bike, not all), I’m down to
> the minimal approach. Rims and hubs are VO, DT Swiss spokes, Soma tires,
> PDW fenders (the best, truly), Tektro brakes, VO cranks, WI ENO freewheel,
> Nitto stem and bars, Brooks saddle, and VO bag. Zoom-zoom!
> [image: 5D679D5E-81DC-4D9D-8BCC-6506231289C2.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Frank Jones Sr is finally where I want it

[Patrick Moore]

Is it true that Grant has designed a new hillibike frame built around an
IGH? And that he's designing a new "Silver" line of IHG 2 speed fixed and
3, 4, and 5 speed close, medium, and wide ratio hubs, called HilliHubs?
(Or, it might be HilliHubBubs).

No, it's not true, but it's fun to imagine it.

On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:44 AM nlerner  wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 12:45:51 AM UTC-5 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> I do believe you’re correct, at least I’ve never heard of one. I’ve
>> considered building up a Sturmey-hubbed 3spd wheel for my FJ, but finding a
>> nice 120mm OLD hub has been frustrating. Still keeping an eye out for one,
>> though.
>>
>
> Hi, no need for a new hub. You can swap in a 6 1/4” axle (Sturmey part #
> HSA.108) on any AW hub and fit it to a frame with a 120mm rear end. You
> usually do also need a bit longer indicator to make up for the longer
> spindle. Here’s an axle for sale (not mine, just the result of a Google
> search):
>
>
> https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/sturmey-archer-hsa107-hsa108-axle-for-aw-ab-ag-hubs-5-34in-or-6-14in---nos
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA USA
>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Looks awesome!  I love the Frank Jones Sr - and dream of building one up
>>> with Sturmey drum brake hubs, 3spd - I think this is the only caliper brake
>>> SS bike from Riv (correct me if I'm wrong!) so it's the ideal candidate...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 06:29:46 UTC-8 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>>>
 After innumerable changes, I’m finally happy with the way FJ is set up
 (yeah, I know). I have a Sam (caliper brakes) I need to devote some
 attention to, and I’m still modding my old Bianchi Milano after 23 years,
 lol. The FJ is a wonderful, simple, speedy frame, and after kitting it out
 with various wheel and tire combinations, single and double gearing, racks,
 bags, bells, and other assorted junk (for this bike, not all), I’m down to
 the minimal approach. Rims and hubs are VO, DT Swiss spokes, Soma tires,
 PDW fenders (the best, truly), Tektro brakes, VO cranks, WI ENO freewheel,
 Nitto stem and bars, Brooks saddle, and VO bag. Zoom-zoom!
 [image: 5D679D5E-81DC-4D9D-8BCC-6506231289C2.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Philip Barrett]

Good luck, I have a Nitto S83 seat post so being a dual-bolt it was able to 
become quite loose without any noticeable changes to riding position.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 4:01:22 PM UTC-6 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> Great info here.I just notice some creaky creaks on my Platy while 
> riding last weekend.  It's been too wet and chilly for me to get back out 
> and check it and it is waiting for me in my garage for diagnosis.  I will 
> check all of the above.   Thanks for all the advice.
> Kate in New Jersey
>
> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 7:01:28 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Had a lovely evening ride tonight in blissful silence. It was the seat 
>> rails!
>>
>> Thanks for all the great suggestions, not so obvious solution.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:13:41 PM UTC-6 spencer robinson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was chasing a creak on my Sam last year, it was driving me nuts, the 
>>> creak was on every cycle of the cranks, I pulled the crank arms, checked 
>>> the bottom bracket, greased and reinstalled the crank arms, swapped out the 
>>> pedals, still creaking. Greased the seatpost.
>>> Actually replaced the bottom bracket, creak still there….turned out to 
>>> be the rear axle moving ever so slightly in the drop-out,. I cleaned and 
>>> reinstalled the quick release and the noise was gone. 
>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 4:28:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 As was advised and you may want to double-check, make sure there's 
 grease in the seattube. Of course it may just be a new Brooks breaking in 
 (if you have one), those saddles used to drive me crazy until I adopted 
 the 
 same position as minor rattles in my car: "Yep, that happens."



 On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:31:29 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Pedals are MKS but already checked and running fine. I have had the 
> shoelace issue before though!
>
> I did the seatpost (which was tight) and the saddle clamp (which 
> wasn't particularly) so will try & get out for a test ride before my 
> positive COVID test from this morning kicks in!
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 1:19:32 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Now that you mention it, yes, I've had pedals cause this sort of 
>> elusive cadence-related creaking or, in my case, more of a clicking. 
>> In this case it was a pair of ancient Dura Ace SPD pedals, and I 
>> solved the problem by regreasing them (simply unscrewed body from 
>> bearing core, filled bearing space in body with grease, shoved 
>> bearing/spindle core back in and tightened down: Robert 
>> Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury's yer uncle! 
>>
>> One more tangential but wholly not-unrelated incident: I acquired a 
>> sudden, rhythmic "click" while pedaling one particular bike, and 
>> could 
>> not find the source. After long fretting, I tripped over the reason: 
>> the aiglet on the slightly too-long lace of my left SPD shoe -- which 
>> I had just started wearing in preference to the Velcro shoes I 
>> usually 
>> wore -- was hitting the dt water bottle cage. 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:48 AM Ryan  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > or pedals if they're MKS ...had this happen to me twice 
>> > 
>> > On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore 
>> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> I know, it seems very unlikely, but I've found bars and seatposts 
>> to cause this sort of creak after long and anguished searches, and much 
>> to 
>> my surprise. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM Philip Barrett <
>> philipr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their 
>> high quality work. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually 
>> that does make sense. Hex head in hand now. 
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great info here.I just notice some creaky creaks on my Platy while 
riding last weekend.  It's been too wet and chilly for me to get back out 
and check it and it is waiting for me in my garage for diagnosis.  I will 
check all of the above.   Thanks for all the advice.
Kate in New Jersey

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 7:01:28 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Had a lovely evening ride tonight in blissful silence. It was the seat 
> rails!
>
> Thanks for all the great suggestions, not so obvious solution.
>
> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:13:41 PM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>> I was chasing a creak on my Sam last year, it was driving me nuts, the 
>> creak was on every cycle of the cranks, I pulled the crank arms, checked 
>> the bottom bracket, greased and reinstalled the crank arms, swapped out the 
>> pedals, still creaking. Greased the seatpost.
>> Actually replaced the bottom bracket, creak still there….turned out to be 
>> the rear axle moving ever so slightly in the drop-out,. I cleaned and 
>> reinstalled the quick release and the noise was gone. 
>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 4:28:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> As was advised and you may want to double-check, make sure there's 
>>> grease in the seattube. Of course it may just be a new Brooks breaking in 
>>> (if you have one), those saddles used to drive me crazy until I adopted the 
>>> same position as minor rattles in my car: "Yep, that happens."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:31:29 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Pedals are MKS but already checked and running fine. I have had the 
 shoelace issue before though!

 I did the seatpost (which was tight) and the saddle clamp (which wasn't 
 particularly) so will try & get out for a test ride before my positive 
 COVID test from this morning kicks in!

 On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 1:19:32 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now that you mention it, yes, I've had pedals cause this sort of 
> elusive cadence-related creaking or, in my case, more of a clicking. 
> In this case it was a pair of ancient Dura Ace SPD pedals, and I 
> solved the problem by regreasing them (simply unscrewed body from 
> bearing core, filled bearing space in body with grease, shoved 
> bearing/spindle core back in and tightened down: Robert 
> Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury's yer uncle! 
>
> One more tangential but wholly not-unrelated incident: I acquired a 
> sudden, rhythmic "click" while pedaling one particular bike, and could 
> not find the source. After long fretting, I tripped over the reason: 
> the aiglet on the slightly too-long lace of my left SPD shoe -- which 
> I had just started wearing in preference to the Velcro shoes I usually 
> wore -- was hitting the dt water bottle cage. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:48 AM Ryan  wrote: 
> > 
> > or pedals if they're MKS ...had this happen to me twice 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore 
> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I know, it seems very unlikely, but I've found bars and seatposts 
> to cause this sort of creak after long and anguished searches, and much 
> to 
> my surprise. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM Philip Barrett <
> philipr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their 
> high quality work. 
> >>> 
> >>> You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually 
> that does make sense. Hex head in hand now. 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: My Frank Jones Sr is finally where I want it

[John G.]

I've never ridden one, but on paper, I think the Frank Jones Sr is one of 
the best things Rivendell ever did. I would've ordered one if they'd come 
in larger sizes. This build is great!

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:44:04 PM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 12:45:51 AM UTC-5 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> I do believe you’re correct, at least I’ve never heard of one. I’ve 
>> considered building up a Sturmey-hubbed 3spd wheel for my FJ, but finding a 
>> nice 120mm OLD hub has been frustrating. Still keeping an eye out for one, 
>> though.
>>
>
> Hi, no need for a new hub. You can swap in a 6 1/4” axle (Sturmey part # 
> HSA.108) on any AW hub and fit it to a frame with a 120mm rear end. You 
> usually do also need a bit longer indicator to make up for the longer 
> spindle. Here’s an axle for sale (not mine, just the result of a Google 
> search):
>
>
> https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/sturmey-archer-hsa107-hsa108-axle-for-aw-ab-ag-hubs-5-34in-or-6-14in---nos
>  
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA USA
>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Looks awesome!  I love the Frank Jones Sr - and dream of building one up 
>>> with Sturmey drum brake hubs, 3spd - I think this is the only caliper brake 
>>> SS bike from Riv (correct me if I'm wrong!) so it's the ideal candidate... 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 06:29:46 UTC-8 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>>>
 After innumerable changes, I’m finally happy with the way FJ is set up 
 (yeah, I know). I have a Sam (caliper brakes) I need to devote some 
 attention to, and I’m still modding my old Bianchi Milano after 23 years, 
 lol. The FJ is a wonderful, simple, speedy frame, and after kitting it out 
 with various wheel and tire combinations, single and double gearing, 
 racks, 
 bags, bells, and other assorted junk (for this bike, not all), I’m down to 
 the minimal approach. Rims and hubs are VO, DT Swiss spokes, Soma tires, 
 PDW fenders (the best, truly), Tektro brakes, VO cranks, WI ENO freewheel, 
 Nitto stem and bars, Brooks saddle, and VO bag. Zoom-zoom!
 [image: 5D679D5E-81DC-4D9D-8BCC-6506231289C2.jpeg] 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 57cm Bleriot

[Drurad (Sacramento)]

A 56cm Saluki would also be cool, if you think 83-84 PBH would be a good 
fit.  Let me know.

-Andrew

On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 11:02:29 PM UTC-8 Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:

> Was really stoked on Joel's 55cm Bleriot recently put up for sale, but 
> after doing a deep dive in geometry charts I think it will be too small. 
>  My pbh is 83-84.  Anyone by any chance have a 57cm they would be willing 
> to part with?  Let me know.  I am currently riding a 2003 TOYO Atlantis in 
> 58 I would be willing to trade too.
>
> Many Thanks,
>
> Andrew 
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[RBW] Re: My Frank Jones Sr is finally where I want it

[nlerner]

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 12:45:51 AM UTC-5 Arthur Mayfield wrote:

> I do believe you’re correct, at least I’ve never heard of one. I’ve 
> considered building up a Sturmey-hubbed 3spd wheel for my FJ, but finding a 
> nice 120mm OLD hub has been frustrating. Still keeping an eye out for one, 
> though.
>

Hi, no need for a new hub. You can swap in a 6 1/4” axle (Sturmey part # 
HSA.108) on any AW hub and fit it to a frame with a 120mm rear end. You 
usually do also need a bit longer indicator to make up for the longer 
spindle. Here’s an axle for sale (not mine, just the result of a Google 
search):

https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/sturmey-archer-hsa107-hsa108-axle-for-aw-ab-ag-hubs-5-34in-or-6-14in---nos
 

Cheers,

Neal Lerner
Brookline MA USA

>
> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Looks awesome!  I love the Frank Jones Sr - and dream of building one up 
>> with Sturmey drum brake hubs, 3spd - I think this is the only caliper brake 
>> SS bike from Riv (correct me if I'm wrong!) so it's the ideal candidate... 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 06:29:46 UTC-8 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>>
>>> After innumerable changes, I’m finally happy with the way FJ is set up 
>>> (yeah, I know). I have a Sam (caliper brakes) I need to devote some 
>>> attention to, and I’m still modding my old Bianchi Milano after 23 years, 
>>> lol. The FJ is a wonderful, simple, speedy frame, and after kitting it out 
>>> with various wheel and tire combinations, single and double gearing, racks, 
>>> bags, bells, and other assorted junk (for this bike, not all), I’m down to 
>>> the minimal approach. Rims and hubs are VO, DT Swiss spokes, Soma tires, 
>>> PDW fenders (the best, truly), Tektro brakes, VO cranks, WI ENO freewheel, 
>>> Nitto stem and bars, Brooks saddle, and VO bag. Zoom-zoom!
>>> [image: 5D679D5E-81DC-4D9D-8BCC-6506231289C2.jpeg] 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Still available, here is the old Riv geometry, 

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/bleriotgeometry.pdf


On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 9:15:52 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

>
> Typo in body of print, it is indeed a Bleriot.
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:36:29 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Selling my 55CM Saluki that is a tad too big for me, I believe the 
>> standover with Baby Shoe Pass 42mm tires is 31.75”. There are some light 
>> scratches a d one large one where it appears the chain came off the small 
>> cog.  No dents, was framesaved when built up.  
>>
>> I will post pics below this message, it may take a few messages. 
>>
>> No crashes, little use as it sat for 10 years after a car accident and 2 
>> back surgeries till I stared to ride again after COVID hit.  I estimate 
>> 4-5,000 miles or less.  
>>
>> Where where sold stripped, added is a Shimano BB made in Japan, UN 91, 
>> Suntour headset that was NOS when built, and Tektro R556 side pull brakes. 
>>  The steerer tube was left high when originally built up.  
>>
>> I will pack this very securely, so no worries there. 
>>
>> Ask question please.  If concerned on price please PM me.
>>
>> Asking $900 plus shipping. 
>>
>> Thanks, Joel
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Legolas frame/fork & extras

[Brian Campbell]

Sold. Thanks all.

On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-5 Brian Campbell wrote:

> Sold pending payment
>
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 8:34:48 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>>
>> Message sent! What’s your pbh? And the widest tire you can fit on the 
>> Legolas?
>> Max not downsizing in Boston
>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:21:49 AM UTC+1 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Selling this 59cm Legolas frame & fork built by Mark Nobilette. 
>>> I was told by Mark at Rivendell(who I placed the order through) that 
>>> this was the last Legolas they would make, as they no longer had decals due 
>>> to the suit from the Lord of the Rings people.
>>>
>>> 59cm seat  tube c-t
>>> 58cm top tune c-c
>>> 130 rear spacing
>>> 1" quill style fork
>>> FSA headset
>>> Dia-Comp 980 cantilever brakes with straddle wire holders, new Kool Stop 
>>> Dura pads and fork mounted front cable stop
>>> 110mm Tange square taper bottom bracket (used with a Sugino 901d double 
>>> crankset)
>>> 1 set of Portland Design Works Full metal fenders 45mm
>>>
>>> The frame has front and rear rack braze-ons for LIGHT loads. It was not 
>>> built as a touring bike. It is constructed of Columbus Life & Columbus Zona 
>>> tubing, per Mark Nobilette. It has fender mounting braze-ons in the rear 
>>> and a Velo Lumino Plug Nut for front fender mounting under the fork crown.
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/tVGLmqVrAGajr4Mg7
>>>
>>> When fully built, with a Brooks saddle and pedals it weighed a bit over 
>>> 22lbs.
>>>
>>> I am asking $2,000 plus shipping via Bike Flights. I am in Berwyn, Pa 
>>> (19312) and will also deliver within an 1 hour drive or allow for local 
>>> pick up if you are in the area.
>>>
>>> Payment through Paypal of Venmo and buyer is responsible for payment of 
>>> any fees.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Brian CAmpbell
>>> Berwyn, Pa
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 61cm Ritchey Road Frame/Fork/ Headset

[Brian Campbell]

Corwin,

It fit 28mm tires with no problem. Those tires mounted on Pacenti Brevet 
rims were closer to 30mm actual.

I was running Dura Ace Dual pivot brakes on it so they limited me on tire 
size more than the bike. I think you could fit a 32mm with a different 
brake set.

Below are some pictures to give you and idea.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/cgUf7LXJVYkpcsEB8

Thanks.

Brian Campbell


On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 11:24:59 PM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:

> Hi Brian -
>
> What are the widest tires this frame will handle?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 4:53:40 PM UTC-8 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Given the shared DNA between Ritchey & Rivendell, I thought this might be 
>> of some interest to RBW members. It is also posted on the i-BOB list.
>>
>> Selling what I believe to be a 1977 or 1978, Tom Ritchey road frame, fork 
>> and alloy Campagnolo Record headset. The frame is fully fillet brazed as 
>> was Tom's specialty.
>>
>> 61cm seat tube c-t
>> 57cm top tube c-c
>> 1" threaded Campagnolo alloy headset
>> 130mm rear spacing
>> 27.2 seat post
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WyXABuccLLtM4rR19
>>
>> I purchased this frame from the second owner (that is what he told me) 
>> who moved from Northern California to Swarthmore, Pa to teach at Swarthmore 
>> College in the 1980's.
>>
>> The bike sat in his damp basement for a couple of decades and as such 
>> needed a complete restoration to bring it back to riding condition. He also 
>> drilled the brake mounting holes so he could mount recessed brake calipers.
>>
>> I sent it to Franklin Frames where it was stripped, primed and re-painted 
>> in Imron Metallic Berry. The decals are vinyl transfers from Velocals.
>>
>> I had Jack at Franklin Frames inspect the brake mounting holes ( he said 
>> they were fine) cold set the rear to 130mm and add a second set of water 
>> bottle mounts. The bike was aligned (front & rear) and shifted flawlessly 
>> when I had it set up with 10 speed indexed Shimano components.
>>
>> I am asking $1,000 plus shipping via Bike Flight.  I am in Berwyn PA, 
>> 19312. Payment via Paypal or Venmo with the buyer to cover and fees. I am 
>> also willing to drive and hour to deliver or have some one pick up if they 
>> are local.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian Campbell
>> Berwyn, PA
>>
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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[E. Ricky Creek]

I spent an afternoon with Greg Siple a number of years back while riding 
across the USA, and using my memory only he told me the adapted derailleurs 
and any other modifications for those early epic touring bikes were done at 
a local Missoula shop called Braxton's. I think he built bicycles as well. 
Ian Hibell's Africa bike is also up in the rafters of Adventure Cycling's 
headquarters and worth a look. 

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:38:35 AM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> Whoa, Garth! You da' man! Thank you very much for your diggin' deep. 
>
> PFM?
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:13:13 PM UTC+9 Garth wrote:
>
>> Gotta love all these cool looking and timeless Bicycles !  
>> What's funny is that their experiences read as relevant today as any 
>> other time or place. 
>> I had looked for the article a few days at the time of posting this ago 
>> but ran into dead ends. So this AM I felt an urge to see it as I knew it 
>> existed online somewhere and readily accessible at that. Lo and behold 
>> thanks to the wonders of PFM, here is The May 1973 entire periodical in 
>> pdf format.
>>
>>
>> https://avalonlibrary.net/National_Geographic/National%20Geographic%201973-05%20143-5%20May.pdf
>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 6:45:08 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Well, this is cool! Now, is someone other than me on the lookout for a 
>>> copy of the May 1973 Nat Geo article which features '26 pages about 
>>> bicycling'? That'd be a fun timepiece to see! 
>>>
>>> Thanks Garth!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:51:14 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I mean "multiple cogs" of course.


 adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Typo in body of print, it is indeed a Bleriot.
On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:36:29 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Selling my 55CM Saluki that is a tad too big for me, I believe the 
> standover with Baby Shoe Pass 42mm tires is 31.75”. There are some light 
> scratches a d one large one where it appears the chain came off the small 
> cog.  No dents, was framesaved when built up.  
>
> I will post pics below this message, it may take a few messages. 
>
> No crashes, little use as it sat for 10 years after a car accident and 2 
> back surgeries till I stared to ride again after COVID hit.  I estimate 
> 4-5,000 miles or less.  
>
> Where where sold stripped, added is a Shimano BB made in Japan, UN 91, 
> Suntour headset that was NOS when built, and Tektro R556 side pull brakes. 
>  The steerer tube was left high when originally built up.  
>
> I will pack this very securely, so no worries there. 
>
> Ask question please.  If concerned on price please PM me.
>
> Asking $900 plus shipping. 
>
> Thanks, Joel
>

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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[John Rinker]

Whoa, Garth! You da' man! Thank you very much for your diggin' deep. 

PFM?

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:13:13 PM UTC+9 Garth wrote:

> Gotta love all these cool looking and timeless Bicycles !  
> What's funny is that their experiences read as relevant today as any other 
> time or place. 
> I had looked for the article a few days at the time of posting this ago 
> but ran into dead ends. So this AM I felt an urge to see it as I knew it 
> existed online somewhere and readily accessible at that. Lo and behold 
> thanks to the wonders of PFM, here is The May 1973 entire periodical in 
> pdf format.
>
>
> https://avalonlibrary.net/National_Geographic/National%20Geographic%201973-05%20143-5%20May.pdf
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 6:45:08 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Well, this is cool! Now, is someone other than me on the lookout for a 
>> copy of the May 1973 Nat Geo article which features '26 pages about 
>> bicycling'? That'd be a fun timepiece to see! 
>>
>> Thanks Garth!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:51:14 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I mean "multiple cogs" of course.
>>>
>>>
>>> adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub

>>>

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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[Garth]

Gotta love all these cool looking and timeless Bicycles !  
What's funny is that their experiences read as relevant today as any other 
time or place. 
I had looked for the article a few days at the time of posting this ago but 
ran into dead ends. So this AM I felt an urge to see it as I knew it 
existed online somewhere and readily accessible at that. Lo and behold 
thanks to the wonders of PFM, here is The May 1973 entire periodical in 
pdf format.

https://avalonlibrary.net/National_Geographic/National%20Geographic%201973-05%20143-5%20May.pdf
On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 6:45:08 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Well, this is cool! Now, is someone other than me on the lookout for a 
> copy of the May 1973 Nat Geo article which features '26 pages about 
> bicycling'? That'd be a fun timepiece to see! 
>
> Thanks Garth!
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:51:14 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I mean "multiple cogs" of course.
>>
>>
>> adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[John Rinker]

After reading the 'Shakedown Alaska' article, I'm now more intrigued with 
Dave Sorenson, the 'casual' tourer, on his alba-barred 3-speed. One can 
only wonder, 'Where is Dave now?' Perhaps a member of this group?

Super fun reading!
On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 8:45:08 AM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:

> Well, this is cool! Now, is someone other than me on the lookout for a 
> copy of the May 1973 Nat Geo article which features '26 pages about 
> bicycling'? That'd be a fun timepiece to see! 
>
> Thanks Garth!
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:51:14 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I mean "multiple cogs" of course.
>>
>>
>> adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub
>>>
>>

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