[RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Matthew Williams]

Clem Smith Jr. L
52cm
$1700
Oakland, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-52cm/7429629322.html


Sam Hillborne
56cm
$2500
Portland, OR
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185245658576


Frank Jones
57cm
$2800
Portland, OR
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185245621839


Rambouillet
58cm
$1500
Huntsville, AL
https://huntsville.craigslist.org/bik/d/huntsville-rivendell-rambouillet-58cm/7412785968.html

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[RBW] Dangers of riding on public roads. Was: Fly 6 Rear View Camera/Taillight

[Patrick Moore]

After looking at the videos, I have to ask: are things really that
combative out there? Or do these come from a particular milieu and
population?

It has been 12 years, but I used to commute across town 15 or 16 miles each
way on busy cross-town boulevards at rush hour, including night-time rush
hour, and while I certainly had my share of run-ins, about which I'll say
more in a bit, it never occurred to me that things were dangerous to the
point of needing legal-proof records. I generally took care of such
situations by yelling at the perpetrators, in the hope that they'd think
more carefully in the future.

Again, I insist that I am not deprecating others' fears and wishes for
camera records, or thinking that other cities are no more dangerous for
cyclists than Albuquerque. I am just curious and, more, concerned. Do
riders on this list encounter traffic dangers, in particular, hostile motor
vehicle drivers, often enough that you want to have a photo record for
possible law intervention?

In 55 years of riding in urban traffic of one sort or another*, and 33
years of riding on public roads in ABQ, NM, I've had a very few somewhat
close calls, many from my own aggression, and exactly 3** accidents that
prevented further riding, of which exactly 2 resulted in minor injurie; and
of which exactly 3 could have been avoided by thinking a bit harder.

* Starting in a moderately sized So Indian city age 11 or 12 in 1966 or
1967 when my parents let me ride my hot-rodded Hero to the local Jesuit
prep school.

** 1. Soph or jnr year in HS, 1971, coming fast downhill one morning around
righthand bend on long detour to school, lost control, went onto unpaved
verge, clamped front brake by mistake, flipped bike 180* to dash and dent
rear wheel on obstacle. I -- in Grant-approved street clothes and of course
sans helment -- was wholly uninjured. Mom picked me up.
2. Pushing pb on return of local "Tour de Dump" route in Gallup, NM, ~1994,
stupidly got front wheel into cattle grate, flipped and again broke rear
wheel and hurt myself; caused driver backup and spectacle (recall some
laughing), was picked up by pair o' WASP hillybillys from Deliverance in
primered pickup (not kidding: fleshy, jeans and t-shirts, black beards;
Hispano and even more a Native American area where hillybillys were rare,
so perhaps really angels in disguise. But they stopped to help and the
others didn't. They were taking their Harley's valves for grinding, showed
me one) for ride to hospital -- where, ironically, I was PR Director.
Bruised rib or 2, sore for fortnight, boss kidded me.
3. Commuting the 15-16 miles home summer 2006 in bike lane along Indian
School Road, stopped at Wyoming for red, pushed forward when light turned
green, kid in car at left looked left, accelerated right and knocked me
over in slow motion. Facial stitches and soreness. Bike fine.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 5:54 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm just curious why people use forward-facing or rear-facing bike cams.
>
>
> Probably have the same reason people get dashcams: to capture and preserve
> evidence in the event of collisions, close calls, and harassment.
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/CyclistsWithCameras/
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/BikeCammers/
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Re: [RBW] Fly 6 Rear View Camera/Taillight

[Matthew Williams]

> I'm just curious why people use forward-facing or rear-facing bike cams.


Probably have the same reason people get dashcams: to capture and preserve 
evidence in the event of collisions, close calls, and harassment. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/CyclistsWithCameras/

https://www.reddit.com/r/BikeCammers/



On Jan 6, 2022, at 4:21 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My first reaction was, "Neat!" and to head over to paypal. But then I 
> wondered: how many people use cycling cameras? And how do they help or 
> improve riding? I expect these are designed to record motor vehicle driver 
> misbehavior; am I right?
> 
> I guiltily confess to occasionally watching YouTube channels named "Crazy 
> Russian Roads!!!" or "Russian Roadrage!!!" with straight-from-dash video of 
> silly driver antics, but here in the US, how many drivers, and how many 
> riders, carry dash- or bar-or helmet-cams to record prospective clashes?
> 
> Or do people use riding cams for future ride reportage?
> 
> I'm not criticizing anything or anyone, I'm just curious why people use 
> forward-facing or rear-facing bike cams.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 4:58 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> Picked this up used and then found that it won’t work on my desired bikes. 
> 
> Rear-facing camera captures a continuous loop of video, great for helping 
> resolve disputes about who hit whom.
> 
> Fits standard Riv-style seat posts. Also includes adapters for those 
> super-rare airfoil ‘posts.
> 
> $45 shipped to you in the CONUS.
> 
> --Eric Norris
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Fly 6 Rear View Camera/Taillight

[Mike Godwin]

Patrick

A few years ago, a few cyclists were riding up 13 from the southeast end of 
Berkeley, a rider's buddy got nailed by a car, and it was hit and run. So 
this time, the cops believed the riders that it was the driver's fault. 
They are useful, and fun to watch downhill racers too. 
Berkeley Cyclist Hit by Car - YouTube 
 2012 so more than a few years 
ago

Replay Urban Downhill MTB | Red Bull Valparaíso Cerro Abajo 2019 - YouTube 


Mike 4-Tuna CA

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:21:49 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My first reaction was, "Neat!" and to head over to paypal. But then I 
> wondered: how many people use cycling cameras? And how do they help or 
> improve riding? I expect these are designed to record motor vehicle driver 
> misbehavior; am I right?
>
> I guiltily confess to occasionally watching YouTube channels named "Crazy 
> Russian Roads!!!" or "Russian Roadrage!!!" with straight-from-dash video of 
> silly driver antics, but here in the US, how many drivers, and how many 
> riders, carry dash- or bar-or helmet-cams to record prospective clashes?
>
> Or do people use riding cams for future ride reportage?
>
> I'm not criticizing anything or anyone, I'm just curious why people use 
> forward-facing or rear-facing bike cams.
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 4:58 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Picked this up used and then found that it won’t work on my desired 
>> bikes. 
>>
>> Rear-facing camera captures a continuous loop of video, great for helping 
>> resolve disputes about who hit whom.
>>
>> Fits standard Riv-style seat posts. Also includes adapters for those 
>> super-rare airfoil ‘posts.
>>
>> $45 shipped to you in the CONUS.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Fly 6 Rear View Camera/Taillight

[Patrick Moore]

My first reaction was, "Neat!" and to head over to paypal. But then I
wondered: how many people use cycling cameras? And how do they help or
improve riding? I expect these are designed to record motor vehicle driver
misbehavior; am I right?

I guiltily confess to occasionally watching YouTube channels named "Crazy
Russian Roads!!!" or "Russian Roadrage!!!" with straight-from-dash video of
silly driver antics, but here in the US, how many drivers, and how many
riders, carry dash- or bar-or helmet-cams to record prospective clashes?

Or do people use riding cams for future ride reportage?

I'm not criticizing anything or anyone, I'm just curious why people use
forward-facing or rear-facing bike cams.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 4:58 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Picked this up used and then found that it won’t work on my desired bikes.
>
> Rear-facing camera captures a continuous loop of video, great for helping
> resolve disputes about who hit whom.
>
> Fits standard Riv-style seat posts. Also includes adapters for those
> super-rare airfoil ‘posts.
>
> $45 shipped to you in the CONUS.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
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[RBW] Would the owner of PipesBikesandLeather please contact me offlist? I have a pipes question.

[Patrick Moore]

I think this man is a listmember.

I'll also be interested to hear -- offlist, unless der listermeister
decides pipes are on-topic along with film cameras, early-Bob, and low
carb --from onlist pipesmokers.

bertin...@gmail.com

Ta!

("Bob" is Bob D, not iBob. Patrick Moore, hunting up different
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[RBW] FS: Fly 6 Rear View Camera/Taillight

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Picked this up used and then found that it won’t work on my desired bikes. 

Rear-facing camera captures a continuous loop of video, great for helping 
resolve disputes about who hit whom.

Fits standard Riv-style seat posts. Also includes adapters for those super-rare 
airfoil ‘posts.

$45 shipped to you in the CONUS.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

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[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Roberta]

Hi, Hugo. 

I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a stand 
(no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the rear 
axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there was 
too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't mar 
my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.

Roberta

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received it in 
> October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, however, it 
> has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the repair stand or 
> locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any suggestions for 
> 1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the repair stand? Thanks!
>
> As far as kickstands are concerned, I did try the single leg kick stand 
> that came with my Big Dummy long tail cargo bike, however, it did not work. 
> The Big Dummy's extra length is in the extra long chain stay whereas the 
> Platypus's extra length is in every part of the geometry being stretched 
> out. I also purchased a Pletscher twin kickstand, however it appears that 
> the kickstand plate on the Platypus is built only for a single kick stand. 
> Has anyone had any luck getting the twin on the Platypus, or should I just 
> shell out and get one of the recommended kickstands from Riv? If so, does 
> someone recommend a specific model for the Platypus?
>
> Thanks! - HH 
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto M-18 rack

[Sean B.]

Robert,

What about the M-1B?

https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-m-1b-front-rack-silver.html

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 2:38:54 PM UTC-6 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Blue lug doesn't even have M-18s right now so I was hoping that one of you 
> no longer needed yours. I would be happy to trade for other parts if your 
> are looking for anything, or would be happy to send you cash. 
>
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
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[RBW] Platypus Questions

[Hugo Halder]

Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received it in 
October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, however, it 
has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the repair stand or 
locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any suggestions for 
1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the repair stand? Thanks!

As far as kickstands are concerned, I did try the single leg kick stand 
that came with my Big Dummy long tail cargo bike, however, it did not work. 
The Big Dummy's extra length is in the extra long chain stay whereas the 
Platypus's extra length is in every part of the geometry being stretched 
out. I also purchased a Pletscher twin kickstand, however it appears that 
the kickstand plate on the Platypus is built only for a single kick stand. 
Has anyone had any luck getting the twin on the Platypus, or should I just 
shell out and get one of the recommended kickstands from Riv? If so, does 
someone recommend a specific model for the Platypus?

Thanks! - HH 

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[RBW] WTB Nitto M-18 rack

[Robert Blunt]

Hi everyone,
Blue lug doesn't even have M-18s right now so I was hoping that one of you
no longer needed yours. I would be happy to trade for other parts if your
are looking for anything, or would be happy to send you cash.

Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[iamkeith]

Thanks.  I think I'll try it.  As noted, I'm only worried about the finish 
cracking if it's anything like brittle chrome.   These are fillet brazed, 
steel, bullmoose bosco bars.  Other than being too high and too narrow, and 
too straight-back at the grip, they're a perfect compliment to my fillet 
brazed susie, which is why I want to make them work.  

Otherwise, I agree with everyone about the custom Doom bars.  I used a 
different custom bar ("Arise") on my last mountain bike a few years ago, 
and I now have steel bars on 5 of my most ridden bikes.  I just can't see 
any reason to ever use off-the-shelf, aluminum bars again.  (At least not 
for a big guy like me who always wants wider and stiffer, and for whom a 
few grams of weight is not a big deal.)  I'm gearing up to get two bars 
from Doom, and ironically recommended the idea to someone on the IBOB list 
just a few days ago.

FYI, my "pack them full of sand" idea came from Charlie Cunningham.  That's 
what he did to modify aluminum drop bars into the first dirt-drop bars, 
which then inspired Grant to make the first mass-produced dirt-drop bar for 
the '87 MB-1.  But Charlie could re-heat-treat them after bending, so I 
think it's good advice not to bend aluminum myself.

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 6:45:18 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keith – Not sure of the exact process but I've seen a short vid of Ron 
> bending bars. He had the handlebars in a bench vise sandwiched between two 
> 2x6s. He then pulled on the bars with all his weight. No idea what the 
> original bars are. 
>
> As Mike suggests DoomBars seems to be a good way to go. Who knows if/when 
> these will be re-stocked at Crust. I think this now-sold-out shipment had 
> been delayed several months. 
>
> Thanks to Ed and Taylor regarding shipping, I didn't realize they were 
> issuing refunds. I just removed the bar tape from my order. 
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 6:44:44 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I somehow missed this altogether.  Interesting though because 
>> that's exactly what I dream about doing to my own bosco bars every time  
>> use them.  Does anyboby know where to find reference to Ron first bending 
>> his own?  Were they aluminum or steel?  Mine are steel, and I worry about 
>> the "dull- bright" Nitto finish cracking if it's plating based.  Otherwise, 
>> I'm comfortable packing them full of sand and taking a tubing bender to 
>> them. 
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a set in my shopping cart and got sidetracked at work and when I 
>>> checked back an hour later they were sold out :-(
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:35:53 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I've been waiting since February last year for these bars and have 
 checked the website at least once a week in that interval. I really wanted 
 them for a Susie build.

 They are now sold out.

 *sigh*

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[David Person]

Based on a conversation with Will several months ago I know they have 
placed multiple orders with Nitto for things like the FacePlater stems and 
they are just not coming.  He said they are placed multiple orders spread 
out over months for the same items, anticipating the demand when they do 
eventually start receiving them.

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nailed it Paul!! 
>
> Ron
>
> "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." - 
> Grant Petersen
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:13 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
>> This response may sound a little harsh, but I don't mean to be harsh. 
>> It's a frustrating situation for all these days and a bummer when it's hard 
>> to buy things we want.
>> ---
>> Along with what others are saying, it probably also has to do with what 
>> they can get right now. They order MUSA clothing from a small shop in New 
>> Hampshire (I think). That shop has multiple customers, and some production 
>> capacity to balance, and who knows what the raw materials and labor 
>> situation there is. QBP can't even keep hubs in stock. How is Riv going to 
>> get any priority from suppliers when their order quantities are fractions 
>> of most companies?
>>
>> Combine that with increased demand - for lots of good reasons in Rivs 
>> case - their products and brand are becoming more and more well known and 
>> desirable - and you end up with out of stock stuff. It's a bummer, but I 
>> don't think Riv can do too much about it - otherwise they'd be selling more 
>> bikes and employing more people.
>>
>> And when Riv does stock up on stuff (like they did for the retail store), 
>> it ends up sitting on the shelves and putting them in a tough spot. It's a 
>> damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, so IMO choosing "don't" 
>> has a lot of supporting arguments.
>>
>> Will's restock emails are an interesting peak into how often they get 
>> orders from different suppliers, and stuff just doesn't seem to be rolling 
>> in frequently or in large quantities.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:04:32 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others. 
>>> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But, 
>>> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
>>> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
>>> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
>>> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
>>> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
>>> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list 
>>> goes on.
>>>
>>> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no 
>>> avail.
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Mike Davis]

Why not email or call Crust? They have always been responsive to my
queries. I would also click the notify button to determine when they might
be in stock.

Mike

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 8:45 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Keith – Not sure of the exact process but I've seen a short vid of Ron
> bending bars. He had the handlebars in a bench vise sandwiched between two
> 2x6s. He then pulled on the bars with all his weight. No idea what the
> original bars are.
>
> As Mike suggests DoomBars seems to be a good way to go. Who knows if/when
> these will be re-stocked at Crust. I think this now-sold-out shipment had
> been delayed several months.
>
> Thanks to Ed and Taylor regarding shipping, I didn't realize they were
> issuing refunds. I just removed the bar tape from my order.
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 6:44:44 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I somehow missed this altogether.  Interesting though because
>> that's exactly what I dream about doing to my own bosco bars every time
>> use them.  Does anyboby know where to find reference to Ron first bending
>> his own?  Were they aluminum or steel?  Mine are steel, and I worry about
>> the "dull- bright" Nitto finish cracking if it's plating based.  Otherwise,
>> I'm comfortable packing them full of sand and taking a tubing bender to
>> them.
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a set in my shopping cart and got sidetracked at work and when I
>>> checked back an hour later they were sold out :-(
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:35:53 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I've been waiting since February last year for these bars and have
 checked the website at least once a week in that interval. I really wanted
 them for a Susie build.

 They are now sold out.

 *sigh*

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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Crank Brothers Pedals

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Pedals found!

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> On Jan 4, 2022, at 4:16 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> 
> Anybody have a pair they don’t need? Black preferred, must be a style that 
> includes the alloy or composite body. Used is OK.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted: Crank Brothers Pedals

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks!

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> On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Eric
> 
> There is a set of Candy 2 pedals offered for sale over on IBob.  The seller 
> has not posted a picture.  
> 
> best
> Bill Lindsay
> 
>> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 4:16:28 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>> Anybody have a pair they don’t need? Black preferred, must be a style that 
>> includes the alloy or composite body. Used is OK. 
>> 
>> Thanks! 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Wanted: Crank Brothers Pedals

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric

There is a set of Candy 2 pedals offered for sale over on IBob.  The seller 
has not posted a picture.  

best
Bill Lindsay

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>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[Ron Frazelle]

Nailed it Paul!!

Ron

"Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." -
Grant Petersen



On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:13 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:

> This response may sound a little harsh, but I don't mean to be harsh. It's
> a frustrating situation for all these days and a bummer when it's hard to
> buy things we want.
> ---
> Along with what others are saying, it probably also has to do with what
> they can get right now. They order MUSA clothing from a small shop in New
> Hampshire (I think). That shop has multiple customers, and some production
> capacity to balance, and who knows what the raw materials and labor
> situation there is. QBP can't even keep hubs in stock. How is Riv going to
> get any priority from suppliers when their order quantities are fractions
> of most companies?
>
> Combine that with increased demand - for lots of good reasons in Rivs case
> - their products and brand are becoming more and more well known and
> desirable - and you end up with out of stock stuff. It's a bummer, but I
> don't think Riv can do too much about it - otherwise they'd be selling more
> bikes and employing more people.
>
> And when Riv does stock up on stuff (like they did for the retail store),
> it ends up sitting on the shelves and putting them in a tough spot. It's a
> damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, so IMO choosing "don't"
> has a lot of supporting arguments.
>
> Will's restock emails are an interesting peak into how often they get
> orders from different suppliers, and stuff just doesn't seem to be rolling
> in frequently or in large quantities.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:04:32 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others.
>> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But,
>> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more
>> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without
>> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I
>> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in
>> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and
>> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list
>> goes on.
>>
>> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no avail.
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[Paul Clifton]

This response may sound a little harsh, but I don't mean to be harsh. It's 
a frustrating situation for all these days and a bummer when it's hard to 
buy things we want.
---
Along with what others are saying, it probably also has to do with what 
they can get right now. They order MUSA clothing from a small shop in New 
Hampshire (I think). That shop has multiple customers, and some production 
capacity to balance, and who knows what the raw materials and labor 
situation there is. QBP can't even keep hubs in stock. How is Riv going to 
get any priority from suppliers when their order quantities are fractions 
of most companies?

Combine that with increased demand - for lots of good reasons in Rivs case 
- their products and brand are becoming more and more well known and 
desirable - and you end up with out of stock stuff. It's a bummer, but I 
don't think Riv can do too much about it - otherwise they'd be selling more 
bikes and employing more people.

And when Riv does stock up on stuff (like they did for the retail store), 
it ends up sitting on the shelves and putting them in a tough spot. It's a 
damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, so IMO choosing "don't" 
has a lot of supporting arguments.

Will's restock emails are an interesting peak into how often they get 
orders from different suppliers, and stuff just doesn't seem to be rolling 
in frequently or in large quantities.

Paul in AR

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:04:32 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others. 
> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But, 
> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list 
> goes on.
>
> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no avail.
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Ryan Frahm]

As stated above, use a vice sandwiched between 2x6. Steel bar. Do not bend 
aluminum bars!
I was waiting for Ron’s bars since the first photo leak. Saw the post here 
that they were in stock but couldn’t get to them in time. Oh well hopefully 
they will come around again soon!

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:18 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keith – Not sure of the exact process but I've seen a short vid of Ron 
> bending bars. He had the handlebars in a bench vise sandwiched between two 
> 2x6s. He then pulled on the bars with all his weight. No idea what the 
> original bars are. 
>
> As Mike suggests DoomBars seems to be a good way to go. Who knows if/when 
> these will be re-stocked at Crust. I think this now-sold-out shipment had 
> been delayed several months. 
>
> Thanks to Ed and Taylor regarding shipping, I didn't realize they were 
> issuing refunds. I just removed the bar tape from my order. 
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 6:44:44 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I somehow missed this altogether.  Interesting though because 
>> that's exactly what I dream about doing to my own bosco bars every time  
>> use them.  Does anyboby know where to find reference to Ron first bending 
>> his own?  Were they aluminum or steel?  Mine are steel, and I worry about 
>> the "dull- bright" Nitto finish cracking if it's plating based.  Otherwise, 
>> I'm comfortable packing them full of sand and taking a tubing bender to 
>> them. 
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a set in my shopping cart and got sidetracked at work and when I 
>>> checked back an hour later they were sold out :-(
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:35:53 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I've been waiting since February last year for these bars and have 
 checked the website at least once a week in that interval. I really wanted 
 them for a Susie build.

 They are now sold out.

 *sigh*

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Jason Glenn]

Fantastic!  Glad to hear it all worked out...

Looking forward to pics, although they would surely just further fan the 
flames of my desire for an App of my own.


On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:47:49 PM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> Jason - rack received and installed. bonus was the struts were a perfect 
> length for my wife's mark rack to go straight to the fork ends. I used hers 
> to go to my mid seat stay braze ons. win win win. happy new year. thank you 
> again 
>
> Best,
>
> Michael Baquerizo 
>
> www.mbaquerizo.com 
>
> 646-206-2913 <(646)%20206-2913> 
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 10:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Michael, 
>
>
> I suspect there's an official answer from Riv and what some folks are 
> willing to file on to make that kickstand work. As Grant once said to me 
> about some project or another I asked about, "...after that you're on your 
> own, Joe."
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:18:30 PM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> updates : 
>>
>> spoke to vince at RIV about the kickstand and he hardly let me finish my 
>> sentence before saying it just wasn't going to happen. 
>>
>> but then i came across this - which suggests otherwise. he kinda left me 
>> thinking it's not worth a try and now i'm just stuck in purgatory.
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/51441668141/in/photolist-2mnHZJM-2jdMVQX-2kH7s6w-2iZ2U5k-2jwLudZ-2kRmEj1-2m2qLeM-2kRmEhh-2dAstdc-2mkaTEH-2mk7cTn-2mk5QX9-2js8raj-2jsct4f-2brxWaD-2kw6o32-2mkaTzc-X8khsx-2m6k5gV-2js8ri5-2kQC16y-2jYTvzc-2jwMC47-2kMtPBF-2kQzArE-2m7yXBS-2mac9n9-2maeQEv-2m7vdEh-2k3huX5-2jsctcg-2m7yXAe-2m7rq4U-2jsctfn-GzCPNA-2m6C3Mn-2k49hox-2kXJVx6-2m7vdDR-2iuCBEd-2kQC16Z-2geTZS6-2k5qh7n-2k5msdK-2k5msnN-2k5mshN-2m3A8Vh-2m3DLu2-2kYNS92-2jdMVPz
>>
>> happened upon a riv reader article that suggests 1/8" set screws are the 
>> correct size for grip king extra grippage.
>>
>> got the rear rack sorted out. thanks for all the help here, all.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:20:19 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Another option is to file off the threads of the bolt where they come in 
>>> contact with the kickstand plate if you only need a little extra clearance. 
>>> The threads themselves don't add much strength to the bolt and if you file 
>>> off too much and the bolt breaks someday, bolts are cheap and the frame has 
>>> not been altered..
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 thanks for the recommendations and suggestions - managed to get a 
 matching rear thumbie for the bike, and went ahead and ordered a set of 
 paul levers because they'll likely be the last set of levers we'll ever 
 need. been really digging old shimano mtb stuff lately but didn't want to 
 hold out waiting for something in good condition. 

 i think i might get an r14 rack eventually, i like the ones without the 
 tombstone. erlen is out of the question, as is the bagman support as i 
 think those are better for barrel shaped bags than for the riv offerings. 
 heck, even a marks rack would do, but i already put one of those on my 
 wife's bike. probably shouldn't steal it from her just yet.

 the pec deck is an idea i've considered, but no, the slim sucker does 
 not have any webbing  on the bottom which is a bummer, but it's small so 
 probably would have been overkill. 

 im gonna call riv tomrrow to ask about the kickstand. so far the rat 
 tail filing out the hole to the left seems to make the most sense, and i 
 get with enough torque there wouldn't be any reason for the kickstand to 
 move back and forth along the elongated hole. we'll see if they cosign 
 this 
 idea or have a better one. i'm sure they've dealt w it before.

 thanks everyone - better pics to come hopefully this weekend.



 On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:45:01 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> > does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats 
> an inch too low and touching the rear wheel?
>
> I have small frames and low saddles. I've used both the Swift 
> Industries Catalyst (reinforced X-pac) and the Jacks Supply Co Little 
> Slugger (Cordura or X-pac) successfully. Both have a plastic insert which 
> maintains the body shape when empty. Not very big but can be overstuffed 
> and has loops on the lid to tie on stuff. Both also work well as 
> handlebar 
> bags with longer Voile straps and foam spacers.
>
> > i was hoping to avoid racks on this back entirely just because my 
> city bike has front and rear racks, and generally all the fixings.
>
> Would you mind a saddle bag rack? The Carradice Bagman Sport works 
> well with larger saddle bags, like the Swift Industries Zeitgest, and 
> it's 
> not as big a commitment as a dedicated rear rack. Someone mentioned the 
> Ocean Cycl

Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Eric Marth]

Keith – Not sure of the exact process but I've seen a short vid of Ron 
bending bars. He had the handlebars in a bench vise sandwiched between two 
2x6s. He then pulled on the bars with all his weight. No idea what the 
original bars are. 

As Mike suggests DoomBars seems to be a good way to go. Who knows if/when 
these will be re-stocked at Crust. I think this now-sold-out shipment had 
been delayed several months. 

Thanks to Ed and Taylor regarding shipping, I didn't realize they were 
issuing refunds. I just removed the bar tape from my order. 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 6:44:44 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

>
> Well, I somehow missed this altogether.  Interesting though because that's 
> exactly what I dream about doing to my own bosco bars every time  use 
> them.  Does anyboby know where to find reference to Ron first bending his 
> own?  Were they aluminum or steel?  Mine are steel, and I worry about the 
> "dull- bright" Nitto finish cracking if it's plating based.  Otherwise, I'm 
> comfortable packing them full of sand and taking a tubing bender to them. 
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I had a set in my shopping cart and got sidetracked at work and when I 
>> checked back an hour later they were sold out :-(
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:35:53 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I've been waiting since February last year for these bars and have 
>>> checked the website at least once a week in that interval. I really wanted 
>>> them for a Susie build.
>>>
>>> They are now sold out.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[Tom Wyland]

I've been waiting for a year to buy a quill faceplate stem from Velo 
Orange. Ditto with their flat pack rack.  So it's not unique to Riv.

Tom


On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:04:32 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others. 
> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But, 
> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list 
> goes on.
>
> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no avail.
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[iamkeith]

Well, I somehow missed this altogether.  Interesting though because that's 
exactly what I dream about doing to my own bosco bars every time  use 
them.  Does anyboby know where to find reference to Ron first bending his 
own?  Were they aluminum or steel?  Mine are steel, and I worry about the 
"dull- bright" Nitto finish cracking if it's plating based.  Otherwise, I'm 
comfortable packing them full of sand and taking a tubing bender to them. 
On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a set in my shopping cart and got sidetracked at work and when I 
> checked back an hour later they were sold out :-(
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:35:53 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I've been waiting since February last year for these bars and have 
>> checked the website at least once a week in that interval. I really wanted 
>> them for a Susie build.
>>
>> They are now sold out.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[ascpgh]

Gone. "Out of stock" at 0630 EST when I looked.

You can order a "notify me when restocked" alert.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 1:49:06 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Some have cyclers have been waiting for these, Ron's swept-back super wide 
> bars. They quietly went up on the Crust site this week. I believe these are 
> based on Bosco bars that Ron modified by somehow flattening and bending 
> them to make 'em wider.  
>
> https://crustbikes.com/products/rons-ortho-bar-for-whenever-it-shows-up
>

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