Re: [RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Philip Williamson]

Hi Minh,
I read all the thoughtful responses, and they brought up ideas I hadn’t 
considered. My suspicion on the cause of any shimmy is the stacked flex 
points in the handlebar to load system. 

Your setup looks fine and I think a basket is the height of chic. If you 
have a basket, you don’t need a bag, right? I do like small bags attached 
to the outside of the basket. That’s a nice way to “modern” up your setup. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca_EscbLkTC/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

My Quickbeam doesn’t shimmy with a front load, but I’ve got a steel Salsa 
stem, with steel Sycip Java Boy bars, previously (15+) years with WTB 
flared drops. The basket is welded to the rack, which attaches to the canti 
posts and fork crown, and previously (14+ years) I used hose clamps. Solid 
either way. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:

> hey all thanks for comments.  i guess part of me asking is that this 
> classic combo does feel a little 'old fashioned', but it is super versatile 
> and the shopsack is like a perfect fit for the basket.   i just pass all 
> these cool looking front bag options!
>
> i may be exaggerating a little bit the shimmy and wobble, its hard to nail 
> down but sometimes it feels like the load will start shifting and 
> osciliating, its never out of control but it does make me sit-up and pay 
> attention--i can feel 'something'.  John, makes a good point, this bike 
> does have pretty serious front wheel flop, so it could be that i'm feeling 
> too.
>
>  the basket is held on at the moment with a mix of zipties and straps, but 
> maybe i can stiffen things up with some cross support?  How are people 
> attaching the baskets? 
>
> Re: the perilous part, i know that Riv/Nitto are very conservtive with 
> both weight, and warnings about using the racks as support for a handlebar 
> bag instead of a static load.  and i am as nuts as all of you, when i had a 
> platrack on this setup i carried a car batttery and watermelon in my 139 
> basket!  
>
> Stephen, which front rack are you using for the 139?  
>
> Again thanks for all the thoughts, will try to be more aware of weight vs 
> wobble feel.  i've been riding to work so its pretty much the same load, 
> but will focus on it more!  
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:52:15 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I also think your setup looks good Minh, I'm a big fan of the shop sack & 
>> 137 combo, however I use the nitto m1 rack. In my experience i think there 
>> is always going to be some degree of flex when you have a rack 
>> combined with swept back bars and a quill stem, especially as your load 
>> weight goes up. I think of it as compounding flex points: a little in the 
>> rack struts, a little in the quill length, and a little in the bar. It gets 
>> more noticeable as each of these lengths get longer. I have a basket setup 
>> on my ram with albastache bars and a really short 50mm technomic and the 
>> flex isn't noticeable unless im carrying a lot of weight. 
>>
>> I also have an appaloosa set up with a large basket rack and a 139. I 
>> initially ran losco's with an 11cm stem, which felt really noodly with any 
>> decent weight in it, switched to the riv bull moose and it stiffened up 
>> considerably. 
>>
>> I've also tried the carradice/bxb/fabs style bag up front and I'd say it 
>> reduces wobble. It may effect handling in other ways but it seems to me to 
>> be less flexy since you are torquing the front load directly through the 
>> handlebars instead of handlebars -> stem -> steer tube/fork -> rack. 
>> however, I still tend to prefer the shopsack basket combo because I like to 
>> just pick up the bag and go whenever I park the bike.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> I just read your post again and maybe this isn't really addressing the 
>> issue, if its more a problem of the bike shimmying at higher speeds. I've 
>> experienced that on some lighter tubed bikes, i never really had a solution 
>> beyond carrying less weight. 
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing to try and eliminate shimmy is to use a fork crown mounted 
>>> brake cable stop instead of the one at the headset. Its worked for me on 
>>> several bikes and now its all I use. Steve
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:27 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good 
 as it can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is 
 on 
 the rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there

 So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and 
 the high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm 
 frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame 
 Geometry Archive Info 
  ) HTA is 72.5°, 
 rake 

Re: [RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[James Warren]

I plead guilty on all counts! Great to meet you outside the concert, Ben! Sweet 
Rammy!


> On Jun 8, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> 
> Wow, Mike!!!
> 
> Notwithstanding the legend of the RPV Oil/RBW superfan, I was **also** in SLO 
> over the Mem Day weekend (regrets, it was but a quick lunch stop), and lookie 
> what I spotted - who dis?!?
> 
> (bad bike-pile photo / am sure everyone here is capable of the quick forensic 
> reading to recognize "ONE OF US")
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mike Godwin  > wrote:
> Cool
> I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got comments on 
> my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv too. Jarrod and 
> Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, apparently standing 
> too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with Texas plates was trying to 
> park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along and found one of the many 
> empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice running into some new folks 
> in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch B on his Atlantis (Hi Mitch). 
> Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.
> 
> Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA
> 
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hey Everybody!
> Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los Angeles. 
> While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line approached me 
> because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, but I can't 
> remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.
> 
> Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say hi! 
> I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride happen. 
> Maybe this is a good sign!
> 
> Cheers!
> Ben
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Re: [RBW] Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Patrick Moore]

Jacob: I defy and contradict and rebut Garth when he says: "*The term
"29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be associated with
them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it* something.*"* The term
"29er" describes the rough diameter of a 700C wheel with a roughly 2" tire,
just as "26 inch" describes a Schwinn cruiser wheel with a roughly 2" tire.

FWIW: 700C X 50 gives about 29", 700C X 60 mm gives about 29 1/2", and 700C
X 70 mm gives about 30 1/2", at least if it has knobs.

Patrick "and a "twenty six inch" rim with 1" tire has a ~24" diameter, a
26" rim with a 28 mm tire a ~24.8" diameter, a 26 X 32 about a 25"
diameter, and a 26 X 42 mm a ~25.6" diameter ... in case you were
wondering" Moore

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 4:01 PM Jacob Lopez 
wrote:

> Hi, All.
>
> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know
> of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>
> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er
> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be
> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how
> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm
> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this
> introduce toe-overlap?
>
> Jacob
> San Diego, CA
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Jacob Lopez]

Thanks for the clarification, everyone!  I think it makes sense now - it's 
all about the outer diameter and how much extra rubber the frame can take.  
Got it.  The rim is 700c.

Jacob

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:37:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh you'd probably have to dig a while to come upon this information, most 
> of us only know it cuz we were around when the "700c mountain bike" was a 
> huge flop, then someone had the bright idea to rename the wheel and the 
> 29er was born.
>
> See, also: 650B - an old French size Riv and a couple others revived 
> 16-or-so years ago - became 27.5 for MTBs. 
>
> Joe "my 650B Riv has 27.5" tires" Bernard 
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-7 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>
>> Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
>> Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
>> 29er *tires*...
>>
>> ~Jacob
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
>>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
>>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
>>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
>>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
>>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
>>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
>>> above applies. 
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>>>
 Hi, All.

 I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you 
 know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 
 29ers:

 I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
 Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
 looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to 
 how 
 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
 reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
 introduce toe-overlap?

 Jacob
 San Diego, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Joe Bernard]

Oh you'd probably have to dig a while to come upon this information, most 
of us only know it cuz we were around when the "700c mountain bike" was a 
huge flop, then someone had the bright idea to rename the wheel and the 
29er was born.

See, also: 650B - an old French size Riv and a couple others revived 
16-or-so years ago - became 27.5 for MTBs. 

Joe "my 650B Riv has 27.5" tires" Bernard 

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:29:32 PM UTC-7 Jacob Lopez wrote:

> Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
> Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
> 29er *tires*...
>
> ~Jacob
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
>> above applies. 
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, All.
>>>
>>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you 
>>> know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>>>
>>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
>>> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
>>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 
>>> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
>>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
>>> introduce toe-overlap?
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Jacob Lopez]

Thanks everyone!  I think I understand now:  59+cm Clem's have a 700c rim 
and a frame that can accommodate 29er tires for the extra rubber in the way 
that the 650b can offer more rubber to frames originally intended for 700c, 
i.e. to meet outer diameter limitations. 

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:11 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> My understanding is it's a colloquially 29er was referring to a 2"+ tire 
> that makes the diameter approximately 29" vs a 700c with a 23mm is 
> approximately 27". 
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-6 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>
>> Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
>> Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
>> 29er *tires*...
>>
>> ~Jacob
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
>>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
>>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
>>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
>>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
>>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
>>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
>>> above applies. 
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>>>
 Hi, All.

 I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you 
 know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 
 29ers:

 I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
 Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
 looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to 
 how 
 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
 reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
 introduce toe-overlap?

 Jacob
 San Diego, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Mackenzy Albright]

My understanding is it's a colloquially 29er was referring to a 2"+ tire 
that makes the diameter approximately 29" vs a 700c with a 23mm is 
approximately 27". 

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-6 Jacob Lopez wrote:

> Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
> Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
> 29er *tires*...
>
> ~Jacob
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
>> above applies. 
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, All.
>>>
>>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you 
>>> know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>>>
>>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
>>> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
>>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 
>>> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
>>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
>>> introduce toe-overlap?
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Garth]

No biggie Jacob . Bike "standards" are truly a pile of madness !  One can 
even buy some Schwalbe 28" tires, mount them on a 700c rim, and ride them 
on a 29er ... and it all refers to the same wheel diameter !  Yippee ! 

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:29:32 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:

> Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
> Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
> 29er *tires*...
>
> ~Jacob
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
>> above applies. 
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, All.
>>>
>>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you 
>>> know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>>>
>>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
>>> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
>>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 
>>> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
>>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
>>> introduce toe-overlap?
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Jacob Lopez]

Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
29er *tires*...

~Jacob

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
> above applies. 
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>
>> Hi, All.
>>
>> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know 
>> of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>>
>> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
>> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
>> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 
>> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
>> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
>> introduce toe-overlap?
>>
>> Jacob
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Garth]

Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. The 
term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be associated 
with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it *something*. A 
fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame didn't have 
sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot with big feet 
and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much front-center(measured 
from the center BB to center front axle), none of the above applies. 
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:

> Hi, All.
>
> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know 
> of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>
> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 
> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
> introduce toe-overlap?
>
> Jacob
> San Diego, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Wesley]

Hey Jacob,
700c and 29er are the same thing - just called differently between the road 
and mountain bike worlds.
-W

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-7 Jacob Lopez wrote:

> Hi, All.
>
> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know 
> of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>
> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 
> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
> introduce toe-overlap?
>
> Jacob
> San Diego, CA
>

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[RBW] Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Jacob Lopez]

Hi, All.

I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know 
of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:

I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how 
29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
introduce toe-overlap?

Jacob
San Diego, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Ryan]

*Sui Generis*...not IMHO a less-evolved version of later Rivendells...but I 
probably wouldn't own 3 rivs if I hadn't owned (and still do) a 1993 X0-1. 
So maybe the X0-1 was the gateway drug. Still the best orange. 
Cream-colored tires are quite fetching. 

And I was a big fan of Midnight Oil in the late 80's, although I've never 
seen them live...I'm sure I'd still like them now

Ryan in Winnipeg

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 1:02:53 PM UTC-5 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, Mike!!!
>
> Notwithstanding the legend of the RPV Oil/RBW superfan, I was **also** in 
> SLO over the Mem Day weekend (regrets, it was but a quick lunch stop), and 
> lookie what I spotted - who dis?!?
>
> (bad bike-pile photo / am sure everyone here is capable of the quick 
> forensic reading to recognize "ONE OF US")
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Cool
>> I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got comments 
>> on my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv too. Jarrod 
>> and Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, apparently 
>> standing too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with Texas plates was 
>> trying to park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along and found one 
>> of the many empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice running into 
>> some new folks in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch B on his 
>> Atlantis (Hi Mitch). Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.
>>
>> Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Everybody!
>>> Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los 
>>> Angeles. While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line 
>>> approached me because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, 
>>> but I can't remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.
>>>
>>> Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say 
>>> hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
>>> happen. Maybe this is a good sign!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Minh]

hey all thanks for comments.  i guess part of me asking is that this 
classic combo does feel a little 'old fashioned', but it is super versatile 
and the shopsack is like a perfect fit for the basket.   i just pass all 
these cool looking front bag options!

i may be exaggerating a little bit the shimmy and wobble, its hard to nail 
down but sometimes it feels like the load will start shifting and 
osciliating, its never out of control but it does make me sit-up and pay 
attention--i can feel 'something'.  John, makes a good point, this bike 
does have pretty serious front wheel flop, so it could be that i'm feeling 
too.

 the basket is held on at the moment with a mix of zipties and straps, but 
maybe i can stiffen things up with some cross support?  How are people 
attaching the baskets? 

Re: the perilous part, i know that Riv/Nitto are very conservtive with both 
weight, and warnings about using the racks as support for a handlebar bag 
instead of a static load.  and i am as nuts as all of you, when i had a 
platrack on this setup i carried a car batttery and watermelon in my 139 
basket!  

Stephen, which front rack are you using for the 139?  

Again thanks for all the thoughts, will try to be more aware of weight vs 
wobble feel.  i've been riding to work so its pretty much the same load, 
but will focus on it more!  


On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:52:15 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> I also think your setup looks good Minh, I'm a big fan of the shop sack & 
> 137 combo, however I use the nitto m1 rack. In my experience i think there 
> is always going to be some degree of flex when you have a rack 
> combined with swept back bars and a quill stem, especially as your load 
> weight goes up. I think of it as compounding flex points: a little in the 
> rack struts, a little in the quill length, and a little in the bar. It gets 
> more noticeable as each of these lengths get longer. I have a basket setup 
> on my ram with albastache bars and a really short 50mm technomic and the 
> flex isn't noticeable unless im carrying a lot of weight. 
>
> I also have an appaloosa set up with a large basket rack and a 139. I 
> initially ran losco's with an 11cm stem, which felt really noodly with any 
> decent weight in it, switched to the riv bull moose and it stiffened up 
> considerably. 
>
> I've also tried the carradice/bxb/fabs style bag up front and I'd say it 
> reduces wobble. It may effect handling in other ways but it seems to me to 
> be less flexy since you are torquing the front load directly through the 
> handlebars instead of handlebars -> stem -> steer tube/fork -> rack. 
> however, I still tend to prefer the shopsack basket combo because I like to 
> just pick up the bag and go whenever I park the bike.
>
> ...
>
> I just read your post again and maybe this isn't really addressing the 
> issue, if its more a problem of the bike shimmying at higher speeds. I've 
> experienced that on some lighter tubed bikes, i never really had a solution 
> beyond carrying less weight. 
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Another thing to try and eliminate shimmy is to use a fork crown mounted 
>> brake cable stop instead of the one at the headset. Its worked for me on 
>> several bikes and now its all I use. Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:27 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good as 
>>> it can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is on 
>>> the rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there
>>>
>>> So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and 
>>> the high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm 
>>> frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame 
>>> Geometry Archive Info 
>>>  ) HTA is 72.5°, 
>>> rake is 4.5cm & with 32-622 tires, giving a 62mm trail and 18mm flop.  The 
>>> trail and flop are both high, and combined with the front weight, is a 
>>> likely cause of the shimmy.
>>>
>>> Suggestions
>>> Shift some of the front weight to the rear saddle bag to reduce front 
>>> weight, and balance the load better
>>>
>>> Use a needle bearing headset, or a HS with needle bearings on the 
>>> bottom.  
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>>
 hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how 
 i carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
 shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I 
 know 
 this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
 other options.  

 I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
  But i also feel like this is how i've always 

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Minh]

oof Justin, good catch.  Saturday is out for me too, but i could do Sunday 
and prefer on the early-ish side, hopefull that leaves things open enough 
for other activities later in the day.  I'll leave that option up for 
further discussion over the next week or so and we can try and lock it in 
next week? 


On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 1:19:06 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Just realized that Sunday is Father's Day, so probably no go for me 
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 12:48 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With kids in the mix, I always consider planning grownup activities a 
>> long shot, so I'm not to be planned around...
>> But that Saturday has become a no go (skate date with my younger, music 
>> performance for my older). Sunday is tentatively wide open though!
>> aside from ride planning, if anyone wants some braze-ons cooked to their 
>> frames, I'm looking for some practice (I've even got braze-ons!)
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:47:33 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>>> Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if I 
>>> can make it.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!

 Patch
 E. Wburg

 On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
 NY) wrote:

> I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to you 
> guys. Later preferable for me too, Kai. 
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7 <—ft. 
>> Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti 
>> That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be able to 
>> do a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but with so much to 
>> see 
>> out there, I would understand if that were too late a start
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did that 
>>> ride!
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:
>>>
>>> hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend 18th-19th, 
>>> so proposing a ride down to Far Rockaway, anyone else around want to 
>>> join?  
>>> Ride down, stop at Fort for pictures, get some tacos or other beach 
>>> food.  
>>>  could do Sat or Sunday, or even Monday if you have the day off!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
 LIC would work for me. $100 per month per person? I'd prob be 
 willing to go higher depending on the space, how many other people 
 join, 
 etc. 

 On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:54:16 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project, 
> mentioned above, there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't 
> thought 
> about.
> This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have 
> something specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how 
> much 
> they would be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in 
> limiting 
> the options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no 
> obligations at 
> all.
> Alan
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. 
> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base 
>> feel that would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love 
>>> that name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from 
>>> various 
>>> eras.
>>> To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental 
>>> space to set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun 
>>> with 
>>> stuff. Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy 
>>> access via 
>>> bike. I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with 
>>> vise 
>>> (Yeh), shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, 
>>> used couch 
>>> for a nap, etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> UWS
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>>
  (sorry if this is a double send). 

[RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Mike Godwin]

I want Benz' bike
Mike SLO CA

On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 4:12:45 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> I will play this game (except the hoisting part)!
>
> [image: 2019Apr04-Rivendell_Wilbury.jpg]
>
> Rivendell Wilbury, repainted in "Cheviot orange", outfitted as an 
> errand/grocery/takeout bike with front/rear racks, dynamo lighting, 
> fenders, and two-legged kickstand. I have a small selection of panniers 
> that I use with this bike (not shown), and it recently acquired a cardboard 
> box on the front rack to better carry takeout.
>
> This is essentially a 1X bike, as rear shifting is by a thumbshifter on 
> the handlebar, and front shifting is via a downtube shifter (because I 
> seldom need that low gear). I have no clue how heavy it is, but the 
> addition of the mission-critical heavy lock (to complement the Pitlocks and 
> security bolts) couldn't have helped. The eagle-eyed will spy the dynamo 
> wire guides on the right fork blade, and the second brake cable stop on the 
> top tube; this bike was originally designed for centerpull brakes, so it 
> only had one brake cable stop. I threw these opportunistic mods in as part 
> of the repaint.
>
> It does ride and handle well, and even though not ideal due to its upright 
> riding position, I've even taken it up Old La Honda and Kings Mountain, and 
> descended 84E (local climbs in the SF South Bay), just for kicks. As an 
> errand/grocery/takeout bike, this bike probably has the highest number of 
> rides amongst my bikes.
>
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s the newest trend around RivWorld - Platypus owners lifting their new 
>> Platys on high.
>>
>> If you have a Platypus, former Rivendell mixte model or a custom 
>> Rivendell mixte, we need you here. Hoist your mixte on high, snap a photo 
>> and post it here. It will be delightful to see how you’ve set up your bike 
>> and all the personal touches you’ve added. 
>>
>> ♥️Leah 
>>
>> “The Platypus is arguably the most beautiful bike in our line, and we try 
>> so damn hard to make them all beautiful.” ~Grant Petersen 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Mike Godwin]

Cool
I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got comments 
on my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv too. Jarrod 
and Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, apparently 
standing too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with Texas plates was 
trying to park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along and found one 
of the many empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice running into 
some new folks in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch B on his 
Atlantis (Hi Mitch). Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.

Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Everybody!
> Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los Angeles. 
> While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line approached me 
> because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, but I can't 
> remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.
>
> Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say 
> hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
> happen. Maybe this is a good sign!
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Justin Kennedy]

Just realized that Sunday is Father's Day, so probably no go for me

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 12:48 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> With kids in the mix, I always consider planning grownup activities a long
> shot, so I'm not to be planned around...
> But that Saturday has become a no go (skate date with my younger, music
> performance for my older). Sunday is tentatively wide open though!
> aside from ride planning, if anyone wants some braze-ons cooked to their
> frames, I'm looking for some practice (I've even got braze-ons!)
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:47:33 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:
>
>> Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if I can
>> make it.
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!
>>>
>>> Patch
>>> E. Wburg
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn,
>>> NY) wrote:
>>>
 I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to you
 guys. Later preferable for me too, Kai.

 On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
 kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7 <—ft.
> Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti
> That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be able to
> do a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but with so much to 
> see
> out there, I would understand if that were too late a start
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did that
>> ride!
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:
>>
>> hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend 18th-19th,
>> so proposing a ride down to Far Rockaway, anyone else around want to 
>> join?
>> Ride down, stop at Fort for pictures, get some tacos or other beach food.
>>  could do Sat or Sunday, or even Monday if you have the day off!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy
>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>
>>> LIC would work for me. $100 per month per person? I'd prob be
>>> willing to go higher depending on the space, how many other people join,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:54:16 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project,
 mentioned above, there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't thought
 about.
 This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have
 something specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how 
 much
 they would be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in 
 limiting
 the options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no 
 obligations at
 all.
 Alan

 On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V.
 -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base
> feel that would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
> -Kai
>
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love
>> that name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from 
>> various
>> eras.
>> To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental
>> space to set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun 
>> with
>> stuff. Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy 
>> access via
>> bike. I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with 
>> vise
>> (Yeh), shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, used 
>> couch
>> for a nap, etc.
>>
>> Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?
>>
>> Alan
>> UWS
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>>  (sorry if this is a double send).
>>>
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> i'm sad to miss this get together, sounds like there is a decent
>>> number!   as far as organizing, i'd propose a sheet like this
>>> ,
>>> where people can add their names and links to parts swap, etc. we 
>>> can also
>>> use it as a shared calendar for activities.
>>>
>>> if you wanna test it, here's the link to the form
>>> 

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Justin Kennedy]

I could probably do Sunday. Kai, can we ride your tandem? ;-)

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 12:48 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> With kids in the mix, I always consider planning grownup activities a long
> shot, so I'm not to be planned around...
> But that Saturday has become a no go (skate date with my younger, music
> performance for my older). Sunday is tentatively wide open though!
> aside from ride planning, if anyone wants some braze-ons cooked to their
> frames, I'm looking for some practice (I've even got braze-ons!)
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:47:33 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:
>
>> Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if I can
>> make it.
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!
>>>
>>> Patch
>>> E. Wburg
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn,
>>> NY) wrote:
>>>
 I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to you
 guys. Later preferable for me too, Kai.

 On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
 kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7 <—ft.
> Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti
> That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be able to
> do a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but with so much to 
> see
> out there, I would understand if that were too late a start
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did that
>> ride!
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:
>>
>> hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend 18th-19th,
>> so proposing a ride down to Far Rockaway, anyone else around want to 
>> join?
>> Ride down, stop at Fort for pictures, get some tacos or other beach food.
>>  could do Sat or Sunday, or even Monday if you have the day off!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy
>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>
>>> LIC would work for me. $100 per month per person? I'd prob be
>>> willing to go higher depending on the space, how many other people join,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:54:16 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project,
 mentioned above, there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't thought
 about.
 This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have
 something specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how 
 much
 they would be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in 
 limiting
 the options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no 
 obligations at
 all.
 Alan

 On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V.
 -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base
> feel that would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
> -Kai
>
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love
>> that name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from 
>> various
>> eras.
>> To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental
>> space to set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun 
>> with
>> stuff. Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy 
>> access via
>> bike. I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with 
>> vise
>> (Yeh), shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, used 
>> couch
>> for a nap, etc.
>>
>> Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?
>>
>> Alan
>> UWS
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>>  (sorry if this is a double send).
>>>
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> i'm sad to miss this get together, sounds like there is a decent
>>> number!   as far as organizing, i'd propose a sheet like this
>>> ,
>>> where people can add their names and links to parts swap, etc. we 
>>> can also
>>> use it as a shared calendar for activities.
>>>
>>> if you wanna test it, here's the link to the form
>>> 

[RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everybody!
Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los Angeles. 
While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line approached me 
because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, but I can't 
remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.

Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say 
hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
happen. Maybe this is a good sign!

Cheers!
Ben

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Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

With kids in the mix, I always consider planning grownup activities a long 
shot, so I'm not to be planned around...
But that Saturday has become a no go (skate date with my younger, music 
performance for my older). Sunday is tentatively wide open though!
aside from ride planning, if anyone wants some braze-ons cooked to their 
frames, I'm looking for some practice (I've even got braze-ons!)
-Kai

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:47:33 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:

> Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if I can 
> make it.
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!
>>
>> Patch
>> E. Wburg
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>> NY) wrote:
>>
>>> I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to you 
>>> guys. Later preferable for me too, Kai. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7 <—ft. 
 Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti 
 That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be able to 
 do a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but with so much to 
 see 
 out there, I would understand if that were too late a start

 On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did that 
> ride!
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:
>
> hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend 18th-19th, 
> so proposing a ride down to Far Rockaway, anyone else around want to 
> join?  
> Ride down, stop at Fort for pictures, get some tacos or other beach food. 
>  
>  could do Sat or Sunday, or even Monday if you have the day off!
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> LIC would work for me. $100 per month per person? I'd prob be willing 
>> to go higher depending on the space, how many other people join, etc. 
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:54:16 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project, mentioned 
>>> above, there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't thought about.
>>> This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have 
>>> something specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how 
>>> much 
>>> they would be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in 
>>> limiting 
>>> the options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no obligations 
>>> at 
>>> all.
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base 
 feel that would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
 -Kai


 On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love 
> that name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from 
> various 
> eras.
> To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental 
> space to set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun 
> with 
> stuff. Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy access 
> via 
> bike. I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with 
> vise 
> (Yeh), shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, used 
> couch 
> for a nap, etc.
>
> Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?
>
> Alan
> UWS
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>
>>  (sorry if this is a double send).  
>>
>> hey all,
>>
>> i'm sad to miss this get together, sounds like there is a decent 
>> number!   as far as organizing, i'd propose a sheet like this 
>> ,
>>  
>> where people can add their names and links to parts swap, etc. we 
>> can also 
>> use it as a shared calendar for activities.
>>
>> if you wanna test it, here's the link to the form 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in for the meetup, looking forward to it!
>>>
>>> 

[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Stephen]

I'm 6'2, 92-93 pbh. I ride one of the newer 60cm appaloosa's. I have the 
55mm reneherse knobby fleecer ridge, no toe overlap problems at all. I've 
only run the bike so far with two setups - losco's on a 11cm tallux, and a 
the riv bull moose. I really like both depending on my mood or situation. 
The bullmoose is great when I'm riding more rough off road stuff, and I 
feel like it allows a more aggressive position. Even with the rise I can 
have them set up level with my saddle height, maybe even a little lower 
than. I recently got a pair of bosco's I'd like to try out for an even more 
laidback position than the losco's. The chocomooses look awesome to me, 
maybe one day I'll snag a pair. I'd love to try all the riv handlebars out 
on that bike, just trying to resist the urge to empty my bank account for a 
pair of each...

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I'm 6'1" (93 PBH) and ride a 2TT 62. I currently have just about maxed it 
> out with 2.25 Thunderburts and have zero overlap. I also wanted to comment 
> on bar swapping. I started with Albatross bars with bar ends. Didn't feel 
> like I had enough hand positions. Moved to Billie's which were excellent. I 
> currently have the Jones Loop Bar with a 31.8 clamp stem. This bar stem 
> combo did a great job of stiffening the front end but I never liked the way 
> they look. I had a desire to return to a traditional Riv aesthetic and will 
> put the Billie's back on. I had sold my Billie bars to a fellow forum 
> member who lives locally. Fortunately for me he has been gracious enough to 
> sell them back to me! This time when I reinstall the Billie's I am going to 
> Paul Thumbies and will try my Fabio's chest on the bars to see how I like 
> that set up. This to me is one of the joys of riding a Rivendell. Always 
> lots of options as to how you set them up. 
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> 6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 60 
>> Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up to 
>> 57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
>> style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
>> bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
>> rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. Not 
>> an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
>> Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
>>> ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
>>> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
>>> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>>>
>>> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
 I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
 uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  
 I 
 switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
 lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
 center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
 basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
 choco-moose based off this thread.
 On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was 
> the Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
> that feels. 
>
> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved 
> ride 
> in another year and a half!   
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Yep!
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Stephen]

I also think your setup looks good Minh, I'm a big fan of the shop sack & 
137 combo, however I use the nitto m1 rack. In my experience i think there 
is always going to be some degree of flex when you have a rack 
combined with swept back bars and a quill stem, especially as your load 
weight goes up. I think of it as compounding flex points: a little in the 
rack struts, a little in the quill length, and a little in the bar. It gets 
more noticeable as each of these lengths get longer. I have a basket setup 
on my ram with albastache bars and a really short 50mm technomic and the 
flex isn't noticeable unless im carrying a lot of weight. 

I also have an appaloosa set up with a large basket rack and a 139. I 
initially ran losco's with an 11cm stem, which felt really noodly with any 
decent weight in it, switched to the riv bull moose and it stiffened up 
considerably. 

I've also tried the carradice/bxb/fabs style bag up front and I'd say it 
reduces wobble. It may effect handling in other ways but it seems to me to 
be less flexy since you are torquing the front load directly through the 
handlebars instead of handlebars -> stem -> steer tube/fork -> rack. 
however, I still tend to prefer the shopsack basket combo because I like to 
just pick up the bag and go whenever I park the bike.

...

I just read your post again and maybe this isn't really addressing the 
issue, if its more a problem of the bike shimmying at higher speeds. I've 
experienced that on some lighter tubed bikes, i never really had a solution 
beyond carrying less weight. 
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Another thing to try and eliminate shimmy is to use a fork crown mounted 
> brake cable stop instead of the one at the headset. Its worked for me on 
> several bikes and now its all I use. Steve
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:27 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good as 
>> it can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is on 
>> the rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there
>>
>> So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and 
>> the high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm 
>> frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame 
>> Geometry Archive Info 
>>  ) HTA is 72.5°, 
>> rake is 4.5cm & with 32-622 tires, giving a 62mm trail and 18mm flop.  The 
>> trail and flop are both high, and combined with the front weight, is a 
>> likely cause of the shimmy.
>>
>> Suggestions
>> Shift some of the front weight to the rear saddle bag to reduce front 
>> weight, and balance the load better
>>
>> Use a needle bearing headset, or a HS with needle bearings on the 
>> bottom.  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how 
>>> i carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
>>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
>>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
>>> other options.  
>>>
>>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
>>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
>>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
>>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>>
>>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
>>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
>>> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Wesley]

Wow, the Mermaid color looks great in your photos, Christian (especially 
the first).
-W

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 3:37:59 PM UTC-7 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> Apologies, photos included here!
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image10.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 4:34:30 PM UTC-6 Christian B-H wrote:
>
>> I could hardly be more excited to finally, after probably 3 or 4 years, 
>> be an official Riv *owner* not simply *reader*. In November/December I 
>> had *really *wanted a Gus. I missed it, and bought a Surly Karate Monkey 
>> in it's place. The chainstays are short, but it wheelies well and is fun to 
>> ride with jones bars. In March and April, I really wanted an Atlantis. I 
>> was too slow to decide to buy Bill Lindsey's, and hadn't convinced my wife 
>> in time to reserve one of the new batchBut, in the end, with some help 
>> from everyone here and especially Clark Fitzgerald's great report on his 
>> 1yr with Atlantis then switch to the Platy, Leah Petersenn "sold" another 
>> one. I convinced myself the Atlantis would've overlapped with my existing 
>> bikes too much anyways...
>>
>> Serendipitously,  after reaching out for Riv Riders on the Front Range in 
>> Colorado, Lance from Littleton offered to let me ride, *and *sell me his 
>> 60cm Mermaid Platy. We had a great ride this past Sunday before I brought 
>> it home to push all my neighbors to take a spin on it too, and since then I 
>> have ridden it at least for 1 minute of every hour I think (jumping out of 
>> my work-from-home-station to the garage to take a spin!). 
>>
>> I *love *the all-black aesthetics a la Crust build with black Antelope 
>> Hill extralights or Rylands from his June 2 post. I will update one day 
>> with new, bigger tires, and also racks, followed by changing out the cranks 
>> for gearing that will let me tackle group rides a little easier, inspired 
>> of course by Leah, just to shake things up a little bit! In the meantime, I 
>> am over the moon (or at least mountains) with my first ever Riv!
>>
>> Just Ride (Mixtes), 
>>
>> Christian in Boulder, CO
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Patch T]

Wally, I love the set-up you've got there, especially up front. *I wish I 
was a little bit taller...*

Minh, I've owned a QB for 5 or 6 years. I recently traded my Orange 54 for 
a better-fitting, but less-fast ;) Silver 56. 

The 54 always had a front basket on a small Campee rack. I camped and 
erranded a lot on this bike, plenty of long rides in-between - it was my 
only bike for some time. I never experienced wobble nor shimmy, and really 
pushed the limits on load weight - in fact, the fork crown stay of the rack 
broke (not at the weld, mind you) on a mostly off-road 2-nighter around the 
Santa Cruz Mountains in CA, catastrophe gratefully/luckily avoided. It was 
fixed by listmember David Parsons. Since then, I've been much more careful 
with how much weight I add on that rack. Anyway, steering generally always 
felt totally great.

The 56 is more of a French fit, and it currently holds a Swift rando bag. 
It's fendered, and its main purpose is a wet-conditions SS road/rando bike. 
I have a commuter now that does the errand haul with a sturdier rack, so 
the QB's load stays light; only gets what I need for a day's ride. I'm 
currently in the middle of a bike-parts-switch-up, and it may end up 
getting moustache bars (I was recently surprised to learn I love them), and 
an Erlen rack + small Fabio out back. I've never ridden with rear weight on 
the QB, and would like to try it out, as others have recommended. I have 
tried rear weight on various other bikes, most recently a '92 XO-1, and 
have never liked the feel. 

The other main thing to consider with a large handlebar bag, besides your 
bar width as Joe pointed out, is how high your bars are in relation to you 
front wheel, and how/if the bag is supported. Yours looks fine in the 
photo, but something to consider. Once a week or so I try to commute 33 
miles each way to work on the XO-1. I use the small Fabio's, supported by a 
homemade "Pec-Dec". It holds just my laptop, charger, clothes, snacks, 
journal, few toiletries, other small incidentals (read: junk). It could fit 
more, and even with weight, the bag feels sturdy, the steering different 
but comfortable, smooth, responsive. But the bag, even with the support, 
just barely clears enough when stuffed with stuff. I need longer struts.

Anyway, hope that's all helpful.

Patch
NYC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Another thing to try and eliminate shimmy is to use a fork crown mounted 
> brake cable stop instead of the one at the headset. Its worked for me on 
> several bikes and now its all I use. Steve
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:27 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good as 
>> it can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is on 
>> the rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there
>>
>> So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and 
>> the high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm 
>> frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame 
>> Geometry Archive Info 
>>  ) HTA is 72.5°, 
>> rake is 4.5cm & with 32-622 tires, giving a 62mm trail and 18mm flop.  The 
>> trail and flop are both high, and combined with the front weight, is a 
>> likely cause of the shimmy.
>>
>> Suggestions
>> Shift some of the front weight to the rear saddle bag to reduce front 
>> weight, and balance the load better
>>
>> Use a needle bearing headset, or a HS with needle bearings on the 
>> bottom.  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how 
>>> i carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
>>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
>>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
>>> other options.  
>>>
>>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
>>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
>>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
>>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>>
>>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
>>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
>>> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>>>
>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Welcome to the PlatyPose Posse, Christian,
I love the story and love the bike.  I got mine last year (First ever Riv) 
and I'm still making adjustments to it.  I love the ride.  I wish you many 
happy miles on it and look forward to hearing about your racing adventures 
like Leah.  
Kate in New Jersey

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Christian, 
>
> Well, this takes the cake for me. Oh, swoon. I love the pics. Love the 
> story. Love the angst to have a Riv just building and building in this 
> compelling account. And then you went ahead and got the very best and most 
> beautiful Rivendell that RBW makes! 
>
> Also, the PlatyPosing. You understood the assignment. 
>
> If you take that thing on group rides I’ll just tip over with joy. Two 
> Racing Platypuses? I feel faint. Carry on! Ride the wheels off of it and 
> let us know how it’s going. I rode my raspberry Platy 34.4 miles with a Sam 
> Hillborne rider today and it was bliss, start to finish. I rode it 28 miles 
> in a club ride last night, and same story. Pam Murray once said that there 
> are no junk miles on a Riv; they are all golden miles. I wish you millions 
> of them.
>
> Welcome to the Platy club! You’ll love it here.
> Leah
>
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Christian B-H  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Apologies, photos included here!
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image10.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 4:34:30 PM UTC-6 Christian B-H wrote:
>
>> I could hardly be more excited to finally, after probably 3 or 4 years, 
>> be an official Riv *owner* not simply *reader*. In November/December I 
>> had *really *wanted a Gus. I missed it, and bought a Surly Karate Monkey 
>> in it's place. The chainstays are short, but it wheelies well and is fun to 
>> ride with jones bars. In March and April, I really wanted an Atlantis. I 
>> was too slow to decide to buy Bill Lindsey's, and hadn't convinced my wife 
>> in time to reserve one of the new batchBut, in the end, with some help 
>> from everyone here and especially Clark Fitzgerald's great report on his 
>> 1yr with Atlantis then switch to the Platy, Leah Petersenn "sold" another 
>> one. I convinced myself the Atlantis would've overlapped with my existing 
>> bikes too much anyways...
>>
>> Serendipitously,  after reaching out for Riv Riders on the Front Range in 
>> Colorado, Lance from Littleton offered to let me ride, *and *sell me his 
>> 60cm Mermaid Platy. We had a great ride this past Sunday before I brought 
>> it home to push all my neighbors to take a spin on it too, and since then I 
>> have ridden it at least for 1 minute of every hour I think (jumping out of 
>> my work-from-home-station to the garage to take a spin!). 
>>
>> I *love *the all-black aesthetics a la Crust build with black Antelope 
>> Hill extralights or Rylands from his June 2 post. I will update one day 
>> with new, bigger tires, and also racks, followed by changing out the cranks 
>> for gearing that will let me tackle group rides a little easier, inspired 
>> of course by Leah, just to shake things up a little bit! In the meantime, I 
>> am over the moon (or at least mountains) with my first ever Riv!
>>
>> Just Ride (Mixtes), 
>>
>> Christian in Boulder, CO
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Steven Sweedler]

Another thing to try and eliminate shimmy is to use a fork crown mounted
brake cable stop instead of the one at the headset. Its worked for me on
several bikes and now its all I use. Steve

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:27 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good as
> it can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is on
> the rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there
>
> So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and
> the high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm
> frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame
> Geometry Archive Info  )
> HTA is 72.5°, rake is 4.5cm & with 32-622 tires, giving a 62mm trail and
> 18mm flop.  The trail and flop are both high, and combined with the front
> weight, is a likely cause of the shimmy.
>
> Suggestions
> Shift some of the front weight to the rear saddle bag to reduce front
> weight, and balance the load better
>
> Use a needle bearing headset, or a HS with needle bearings on the bottom.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>
>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how i
>> carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy
>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know
>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider
>> other options.
>>
>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.
>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how
>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For
>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry
>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>
>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried
>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts,
>> opinions, philosophy on this!
>>
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[RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Den John]

Hey all,

I've seen a few Carradice/Fabio's chest setups with the bag lowered from 
the flat section of the drop bars. Seems like you need to then strap the 
lower part of the bag to a front rack. Not sure exactly how this is done - 
you can sort of see it here: 
https://bikepacking.com/bikes/rivendell-atlantis-ultraromance/
If anyone's got any better pictures or explanations about how to do this 
I'd be grateful to know.

A Carradice bag on a set of flat bars worked pretty well for me on a two 
day trip in the German Black Forest mountains - I strapped the pag up well 
with long Voilé straps to keep it from interfering with the brake cables.

Cheers,
Johnny

On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 16:28:17 UTC+2 Bones wrote:

> Perilous? Nonsense! I think your setup is perfect, assuming you are not 
> carting around bowling balls. I feel no difference in handling from 0-10lb 
> or so up front. I do not experience any wobble or shimmy; I am not sure if 
> your P clamps are playing a part in that or not (thankfully mine has a 
> place to mount). I use this for work every day and only carry some extra 
> scrubs and lunch and a few other small items. I can easily throw 12 beers 
> in on the way home too with no issue. I have a basket rack doing nothing 
> right now and I sometimes think about putting that on the front but I 
> really don't need it.
>
> Bones
>
> [image: Simpleone.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-4 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CbVfD1Hu9xN/
>>
>> I've had 25# box of kitty litter on the rear.  Luckily it's only a mile 
>> home.
>>
>> I'm currently running Nitto Dirt Drops RM-013, 52 w/ either a small or 
>> medium BXB Goldback.  With plenty of clearance for my big mitts between the 
>> side pockets and brake levers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how 
>>> i carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
>>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
>>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
>>> other options.  
>>>
>>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
>>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
>>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
>>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>>
>>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
>>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
>>> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good as it 
can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is on the 
rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there

So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and the 
high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm 
frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame Geometry 
Archive Info  ) HTA is 
72.5°, rake is 4.5cm & with 32-622 tires, giving a 62mm trail and 18mm 
flop.  The trail and flop are both high, and combined with the front 
weight, is a likely cause of the shimmy.

Suggestions
Shift some of the front weight to the rear saddle bag to reduce front 
weight, and balance the load better

Use a needle bearing headset, or a HS with needle bearings on the bottom.  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:

> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how i 
> carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
> other options.  
>
> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>
> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>

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[RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Wally Estrella]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CbVfD1Hu9xN/

I've had 25# box of kitty litter on the rear.  Luckily it's only a mile 
home.

I'm currently running Nitto Dirt Drops RM-013, 52 w/ either a small or 
medium BXB Goldback.  With plenty of clearance for my big mitts between the 
side pockets and brake levers.






On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:

> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how i 
> carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
> other options.  
>
> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>
> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>

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