Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

[brendonoid]

Very classy build! I love it.

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

[Wally Estrella]

Nice, Bill! 
the build looks great! I hope you enjoy the Ent as mush as I have mine! 


On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:01:40 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> Very classy build! I love it.

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[RBW] RBW Silver crank set 42/28

[Forrest]

Any reviews/impressions of the Silver crank set 42/28 (with chain guard) 
from those who are using it? Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Riv Nitto Platrack and Sackville Platsack #2

[WETH]

Sold.  Thank you!

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:24:45 PM UTC-4 WETH wrote:

> *Yes, I found a second Nitto Platrack and matching Sackville Platsack 
> combination in inventory! * 
>
> *This Platsack was modified by the previous owner, who replaced the snaps 
> with turnbuckles; this allows for a more secure attachment to the Platrack 
> in my opinion. Please see updated photos in link below.*
>
> I thank Bill Lindsey for the description below taken from his for sale 
> post last year.  He is a far better writer than I, and I thank him for his 
> permission to quote his text: 
>
> "The Platrack is a Nitto tubular steel platform specifically designed to 
> bolt to the top of your Marks Rack (M1) or your Mini Front Rack (32F).  The 
> Platrack converts your smaller rack into a much larger platform.  The 
> Platrack has its own pair of auxiliary struts, stiffening and strengthening 
> the assembly.  
>
> The Sackville Platsack is a bag designed specifically to attach to the 
> Platrack.”  
>
> I am including Platrack struts that measure 40 cm long. 
>
> $180 shipped for both the Platrack and the bag. (Local sale within 30 
> minutes of 20895 zip code for $160) I prefer to sell them together as they 
> belong together.  If you are desperate to buy one piece and not the other, 
> let me know.  If I can find a buyer for each half then I might elect to 
> split them up ($100 shipped for the Rack and struts.  $120 shipped for the 
> Bag.)  
>
> Please see photos for condition of items here: 
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/For-Sale-Slickersack-Platrack
>
> Photo of setup on my Surly LHT: 
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Surly-LHT/i-LvzN76Q/A
>
> Thanks,
>
> Erl
>
> Kensington, MD
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 1:16:07 PM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
>
>> Sold pending payment.  Thanks for all the interest!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 10:17:38 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
>>
>>> For Sale: a Nitto Platrack and matching Sackville Platsack combination.  
>>>
>>> I thank Bill Lindsey for the description below taken from his for sale 
>>> post last year.  He is a far better writer than I, and I thank him for his 
>>> permission to quote his text: 
>>>
>>> "The Platrack is a Nitto tubular steel platform specifically designed to 
>>> bolt to the top of your Marks Rack (M1) or your Mini Front Rack (32F).  The 
>>> Platrack converts your smaller rack into a much larger platform.  The 
>>> Platrack has its own pair of auxiliary struts, stiffening and strengthening 
>>> the assembly.  
>>>
>>> The Sackville Platsack is a bag designed specifically to attach to the 
>>> Platrack.”  
>>>
>>> I am including Platrack struts that measure 40 cm long. 
>>>
>>> $180 shipped for both the Platrack and the bag. (Local sale within 30 
>>> minutes of 20895 zip code for $160) I prefer to sell them together as they 
>>> belong together.  If you are desperate to buy one piece and not the other, 
>>> let me know.  If I can find a buyer for each half then I might elect to 
>>> split them up ($100 shipped for the Rack and struts.  $120 shipped for the 
>>> Bag.)  
>>>
>>> Please see photos for condition of items here; there is a small hole in 
>>> the Platsack above the zipper: 
>>> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/For-Sale-Slickersack-Platrack
>>>
>>> Photo of setup on my Surly LHT: 
>>> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Surly-LHT/i-LvzN76Q/A
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Erl
>>>
>>> Kensington, MD
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] RBW Silver crank set 42/28

[Richard Rose]

You may not get many impartial views here? That’s the crankset that came on my 
Clem and it is one of my favorite things about the bike. Looks may be 
subjective but I think it looks great. The gearing has been ideal for me, 
rarely using the 28 & never spinning out (those days are likely gone). The 
finish is really nice & I’ve come to like the guard. In short it fits the bike 
& looks good doing so.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest  wrote:
> 
> Any reviews/impressions of the Silver crank set 42/28 (with chain guard) 
> from those who are using it? Thanks. 
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Re: [RBW] RBW Silver crank set 42/28

[George Schick]

Ditto what Mr. Rose said.  I installed one on an old '72 Fuji Finest 
coupled with a 5-speed freewheel on the rear and it works great.  I have to 
admit that it took me a while to adjust to the look of that chain guard, 
but I've gotten used to it.


On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 7:35:36 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may not get many impartial views here? That’s the crankset that came 
> on my Clem and it is one of my favorite things about the bike. Looks may be 
> subjective but I think it looks great. The gearing has been ideal for me, 
> rarely using the 28 & never spinning out (those days are likely gone). The 
> finish is really nice & I’ve come to like the guard. In short it fits the 
> bike & looks good doing so.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest  wrote:
>
> Any reviews/impressions of the Silver crank set 42/28 (with chain guard) 
> from those who are using it? Thanks.  
>
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[RBW] Re: 1400 Derailers

[E. Ricky Creek]

Well, these seem to be in stock again. Maybe they showed up with the Rosco 
Plats? 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:10:27 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Bill! I was just going to order it to have, so I’m sure someone 
> needs it more than me. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If either of you are desperate for one, let me know.  I bought a huge 
>> bike box from Riv to prepare a shipment, ended up not using the box and 
>> returned it to Rivendell.  Rather than make them go through the hassle of a 
>> refund for what was my issue, I bought one of the skeleton key front 
>> derailers for my own inventory.  I don't desperately need it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:16:39 AM UTC-7 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently Riv has sold out of 1400 of their stubby front derailers. I 
>>> know that isn't true. I'm sure they ordered that number and they will be 
>>> coming in shipments and some are held back for builds, but I was bummed to 
>>> see that they are sold out. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB: 700x28 Tires

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’m looking for a pair of gently used 700x28 tires of the “supple” genre (Grand 
Bois, Compass, Supple Vitesse, etc.) for a newly purchased bike. Got a pair 
you’d like to be rid of?

--Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

[Patch T]

Just adding more similar data here...

My Silver1 shifter set up on the Riv bar-end pod shifts a Sram Rival 
through 11 speeds (11 to 42) with a 33t chainring. It does so very nicely.

Before mounting this shifter (last week), I tried out a Suntour barcon, 
which could not get up to the last, largest cog. 

Patch in NYC







On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 2:53:19 PM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:

> When my Silver1 shifter broke and I replaced it with a Suntour Barcon. I 
> was surprised by how easier it was to shift to the last cog on a 10 speed 
> cassette compared to the Silver1 shifter. My initial set-up with the 
> Silver1 shifter was with a Deore XT 10-speed derailleur. The last cog was 
> almost impossible to shift and sometimes didn't. I replaced the Deore Xt 
> with a Claris 9-speed derailleur and that fixed the problem. However, I had 
> to swing the Silver1 shifter all the way up to get to the last cog. It is 
> now easier with Suntour Barcon. I sometimes wonder why a bicycle company 
> hasn't come out with a modern version of the Suntour Barcon
>
> Daniel M 
> Tallahassee, FL 
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 3:24:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> RBW said it won't work; quoting BS quoting Riv: 
>>
>> *These are compatible with up to 9 speed rear derailers only. Not 
>> compatible with SRAM rear derailers.*
>>
>> But this recently appeared on the web page:
>>
>> HOLY COW, FOLKS: These will shift up to 11 speeds when used with a 9/8 
>> speed rear derailer. The latest 10/11/+ rear derailers require more cable 
>> to be pulled making them no good but a 9 speed rear derailer will still 
>> shift through an 11-speed cassette easily. Match your chain to your 
>> cassette, and the 9sp rear derailer works!
>>
>> In fact, BSNYC is using them to shift 12.
>>
>> The main complication is indeed lever travel; and this is why I find 
>> Suntour Barcons with more "pull per inch" better for 10 cogs than Silver1s, 
>> even though this means that shifting takes, theoretically, a bit more care. 
>> In practice, the Barcons work fine with 10.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess my reaction to this would be "why would it not work".  It's a 
>>> friction shift lever.
>>>
>>> So long as the limit screws on the rear derailleur are set correctly, 
>>> and the lever has sufficient travel to sweep the entire distance between 
>>> the high stop and the low stop when connected to the cable, there's no 
>>> reason it wouldn't work.
>>>
>>> I suppose you could also talk about cable pull ratios and maybe there's 
>>> a situation under which a friction shift lever didn't have enough travel 
>>> because of multiplication or division of travel, but it still goes back to 
>>> the same question, is there enough travel when the thing is connected to a 
>>> cable, so more or less a yes or no question.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin suburbs, TX
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189

 I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but 
 this is heartening news. 

 I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd have 
 to swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a 
 big-enough granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should 
 proceed 
 gently, and simply go to 11 first.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Marc Irwin]

I can assure you Leah does not know the difference.

Marc

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 1:05:22 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom being 
> called a single-speed.
> -W
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
>>> Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
>>> Kickstand.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Great fun, that was! 

 A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in touch 
 if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 

 - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 

 [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
 Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]



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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Marc Irwin]

Solidarity?!?!  She doesn't shift.  That's it.

Marc


On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:32:41 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ok so if I'm following this correctly you stayed in one gear in 
> singlespeed solidarity with Ben for most of the ride..and he was shifting! 
> I love this story! 😁
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:37:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Wesley, I’m laughing out loud. I never looked at the drivetrain until I 
>> read your comment! At the start of the ride Ben was talking about his 
>> single speed. He rides single speed. Loves singlespeed. So, Ben has a 
>> singlespeed. I’m taking his word for it. I don’t look at drivetrains. But 
>> having been humbled here, I sure will in the future. At least before I 
>> wrote about them!
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom being 
>> called a single-speed.
>>
>>
>> -W
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
 Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
 Kickstand.jpeg]

 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Great fun, that was! 
>
> A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in touch 
> if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 
>
> - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 
>
> [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
> Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Leah Peterson]

I mean, MY bike is a single speed, right Marc? 🤣

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> 
> I can assure you Leah does not know the difference.
> 
> Marc
> 
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 1:05:22 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>> I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom being 
>> called a single-speed.
>> -W
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
 
 
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
> Great fun, that was! 
> 
> A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in touch if 
> you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 
> 
> - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Marc Irwin]

She rides with a special drivetrain.  It's a single speed with 18 options.

Marc

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:16:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I mean, MY bike is a single speed, right Marc? 🤣
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>
> I can assure you Leah does not know the difference.
>
>
> Marc
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 1:05:22 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom being 
>> called a single-speed.
>> -W
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
 Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
 Kickstand.jpeg]

 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Great fun, that was! 
>
> A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in touch 
> if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 
>
> - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 
>
> [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
> Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Wally Estrella]

"This is Paul (Kalamazoo), who goes by Doc. He is a real doctor, a retired 
emergency room physician, and this pretty Appaloosa is his retirement gift 
to himself. "
Love Doc! Good human!  He has a place here in Maine.  I'll typically seen 
him at the LBS.  Haven't seem him, but should reach out to see if he's back 
in state. 


On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:19:16 PM UTC-4 Marc Irwin wrote:

> She rides with a special drivetrain.  It's a single speed with 18 options.
>
> Marc
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:16:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I mean, MY bike is a single speed, right Marc? 🤣
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>
>> I can assure you Leah does not know the difference.
>>
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 1:05:22 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom being 
>>> called a single-speed.
>>> -W
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>>
 [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]

 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
> Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
> Kickstand.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Great fun, that was! 
>>
>> A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in touch 
>> if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 
>>
>> - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 
>>
>> [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
>> Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[amillhench]

Phew, purple 55s sold out in 10 minutes. I love that purple!

On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:58, esoterica etc  wrote:



Also, using the term "lottery" for the sale of the Rosco-Platy is inaccurate. 
Riv has in the past done a lottery drawing for highly-anticipated frames (I 
think they did this on the last Clem-L run), where they knew that they had way 
more demand than they could supply. They tried what they thought would be the 
fairest, most egalitarian method of selling that frame, which was a lottery 
method. You put your name in the hat, and if your name was drawn you had a week 
(I think) to pay for your frame. If you didn't, they contacted the next 
name drawn. Seems like a pretty fair way to ensure everyone had an equal 
opportunity to score one. 

And kudos to Joe for coining a new word- gonna have to try and work that in to 
my conversation sometime this week. Cheers!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jul 14, 2022, at 14:12, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> A word about "pre-sale lottery", it's the same as if they quietly put the 
> frames on the site and took orders until they sold out. This way everybody 
> knows when to order instead of just checking a website and hoping they're 
> there. I don't understand the verklemptitude here. 
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:43:42 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sheesh James, did you not read any replies here about the sale not happening 
>> until 1 hour and 20 minutes from now ?  Or, is that story of "whoa is me" so 
>> entertaining that you're gonna miss it for real this time ! 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[amillhench]

Has anyone used the Dia Compe BRS202? How does it compare to the R559? 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Jul 13, 2022, at 10:12, Daniel MacPherson  wrote:


Thanks for the review. I remember seeing them a while back on the QBP website 
and thought to myself that I should snag the last two. I regret not doing that 
now. 

Sincerely, 

Daniel M
Tallahassee, FL 

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 9:46 PM esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> Hey Daniel,
> 
> I have a set of Paul Racers with TRP RRL levers on my Soma San Marcos 
> (Riv-made and very similar to an AHH), and a set of the Tektro 559s with 
> Shimano 600 non-aero levers on my Schwinn World Voyageur set up as a double 
> single-speed bike. 
> 
> I've taken the Schwinn on roads where I've gotten right around 30 mph (~72 
> gear inches), as well as some singletrack (~49 gear inches), and the Tektros 
> slow and stop just fine for me. I am running 700c wheels on the Schwinn and 
> the brake pads are just about halfway down in the slots, so I do have a bit 
> more mechanical advantage than someone running 650b wheels with the pads at 
> the very bottom of the slots. 
> 
> Having said that, the Paul Racers are much better in my opinion. Even though 
> the Racers are almost maxed out at the bottom of the slots on the San Marcos 
> (650b wheels), they have much more power than the Tektros at mid-slot. The 
> Racers also have a solidity to them when engaging, and for me they're very 
> confidence-inspiring. I'm extremely happy with my Racers and would highly 
> recommend them (if you can find them). All the best,
> 
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 4:55 PM Daniel MacPherson  
> wrote:
>> 
>> Are the Paul Racer brakes better? I’m tempted to buy the latest Crust road 
>> bike in the near future but I don’t want to run 559s or Mafacs.
>> 
>> I know they’ve been discontinued but I’m sure over the next 6 months, a 
>> couple will pop-up on Ebay or the ibob community. 
>> 
>> Daniel M
>> Tallahassee Fl
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 3:23 PM Josiah Anderson  
>> wrote:
>>> I agree with Eric and others who find the 559s lacking in stopping power. 
>>> They're more or less good enough in dry conditions, but if it's wet, not so 
>>> much, and they're even worse in the snow. One of my scariest bike 
>>> experiences ever was on a 650b conversion of an old Trek with 559s (with 
>>> salmon pads), coming down a long hill with a busy intersection at the 
>>> bottom. It was raining, and having recently switched to the Tektros from 
>>> Mafac Racers, I was expecting my brakes to work, but they didn't. I went 
>>> through the intersection at probably 35mph, and I managed to make the turn 
>>> and somehow there were no cars, but it still freaked me out. The 559s don't 
>>> seem to be able to squeeze hard enough to create enough friction to dry off 
>>> wet rims in a revolution or two like most other (good) rim brakes do, so 
>>> they just keep skating on top of the layer of water. Same deal for ice, 
>>> although there are fewer brakes that do well with that.
>>> 
>>> I've noticed that it seems like many of the people who like the 559s ride 
>>> in relatively dry places and many of us who regularly deal with wet and 
>>> freezing conditions find them inadequate. That's just my hypothesis on the 
>>> wide variety of opinions on these brakes; I know not everyone fits this 
>>> pattern.
>>> 
>>> (Apologies if this post comes through late- I post frequently on IBOB but 
>>> not as much here so might not have Cyclofiend Jim's approval to post).
>>> 
>>> Josiah Anderson
>>> Missoula, MT 
>>> 
>>> Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 15:52, Cyclofiend Jim  a 
>>> écrit :
 I must ride a lot slower than all's y'all's... but I've honestly never had 
 any trouble with my brakes on my AHH. I use the original standard Shimano 
 Lever  that shipped with it in aught-seven (probably discontinued) on a 
 set of Noodle bars. They don't bottom out at full pressure and the wheel 
 will skid. 
 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc522-cyclofiend_jim0908.html
 
 - Jim
 
 On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:41:01 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Laing: Forgive me if you've posted some before, but if not, I'd be 
> delighted to see photos of your Riv custom "racing bike." 53.4 X 62?? 
> What sort of bar? Me, I fit almost the diametrical opposite: 60 X 56 c-c 
> for a drop-bar bike. 
> 
> To all: I've found this discussion interesting, both regarding braking 
> effectiveness and road bike aesthetics. I have to say that I myself would 
> prefer cantis or V brakes, or braze-on centerpulls instead of what appear 
> to me clunky very-long reach calipers on a "gofast" road bike if medium 
> reach calipers didn't work; and in fact, I've seen a number of custom or 
> high-end production road bikes from before WWII built for cantilever 
> brakes. I think a great many of these were on the Classics Rendezvous and 
> Classic Lightweight

Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Patrick Moore]

I'm glad you mentioned these, as I'd not heard of them. They look nice, and
if they stop as you say, then they are very good deals at half the price --
or less -- of Paul's.

The website does not say; how long a reach do they have? And: Will the
wider ones fit 42s and fenders? If so, I almost wish I'd had my 2020
Matthews built for these instead of cantilevers (also Paul's).

I must get a pair of those lovely non-aero levers; besides, it would be an
opportunity to finally by a HP 20 pump chuck.

Curious: Besides calling Jitensha, can you order the DC levers online
anywhere? A quick Google (v,t) did not help.

Also, unrelated except by the Jitensha site: Has anyone used these 650
latex tubes? 58 grams??? Those are lighter than the Schwalbe XL 559 X 42s I
use on the Matthews, which are a burdensome 90 grams and cost a plebian $15
each.

650 X 36-42B, latex super lightweight, made by Soyo, 34mm valve stem, 58g
 $35.00 ea

How neat would it be to have tubes that weigh the less than my extralight
571/559 X 23 mm (60 gr advertised, 70 grams actual) and cost more than some
tires I've used?

And I see that they still offer their wool-mix knickers and socks;
wonderful. Since Rick Risemberg's store is long gone, it's good to know
that really nice cycling knickers and socks are still available -- the Riv,
Swrv, etc knickers I've used simply don't fit as well as the old fashioned
type like these that are cut like regular street pants in waist and hips.



On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 6:27 PM Patch T  wrote:

> I've used a set of these Grand Bois "Chouette" long reach centerpulls for
> a conversion, using a backing plate:
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/brakes.html
>
> Decent value, great looks, maybe finicky to set up, but fantastic braking
> power. I love my MiniMotos and love these, too. They have very different
> feels, but are both very effective.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 9:37:19 AM UTC-4 Pierre wrote:
>
>> Hi bunch -
>>
>> Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping power
>> (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other bikes).
>>
>> Looking for an upgrade but looks like long reach Paul racer are no longer
>> produced. What are my options lately? Anyone tried Rene Herse center pulls?
>>
>> (Even toying with idea of sending frame to Bilenky to add canti studs so
>> I can run mini-motos but maybe a bit extreme...).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Pierre
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Gary Johnson]

I'm kind of with Doug on this: as much fun as it would be to build up a new
Riv frame, I'm not sure what the point is because I have a Clem L I'm in
love with now.  Plus, I'm currently running north of 250 lbs (body weight,
not tire pressure), and I'm wondering if the new batch of Platy's is
designed as skookum as the Clem, which does not noodle in the least under
the load I impose.  Thoughts?

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 8:58 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> I've been riding my Clem L on longish road rides and am tempted by the
> Rosco Platy but I don't think it would give me any benefit over my Clem. I
> really like the step-through design and after being conscious of it at
> first don't even give it a thought now. It is a burly looking bike to me.
> Riding over pavement cracks and stop indicators at intersections is no
> problem with the wide tires and long wheelbase. These were jarring on my
> old Felt road bike with skinny tires but now they hardly even register.
> Also, I am well-pleased with the Tosco bars and use the out front portion
> about 20% of the time on a long ride to stretch out my back and get good
> pedal leverage. I will be tempted by the Roaduno as an n+1 but as of now
> I'm satisfied riding the Clem.
> Doug
> Athens, GA
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 8:55:14 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> I, for one, can understand Johnny’s affinity for that Clem L. I prefer my
>> Platys, but only slightly. And you really can’t beat a true step-through.
>> I’m an advocate for having BOTH.
>>
>> In any case, I’m glad the Rivendell mixte line continues and that more
>> people of the male variety are accepting them as legit bikes and not girly
>> townies. And how fun that we are venturing into new territory with purple
>> paint! I think the builds on these mixtes will be so interesting. Hopefully
>> the new owners will be generous with their posts and photos and we will get
>> to see this limited edition bike doing its thing in the world.
>>
>> Anyone reading this snag a Rosco Platy yesterday? What did you get? How
>> will you build it up?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I dig them (because I also dig Joe's custom) and I was all on board with
>> grabbing one when they were supposed to be out in May but with the delays I
>> wanted something sooner and fell into a Clem L which I am over the moon
>> about. I think they will sell a touch slower than other models because they
>> are more utility in visual design and priced higher than expected. Not that
>> its not a fair price but its certainly easier to sell a stripped down less
>> fancy Platy for $900-1000 (the original expected price) than $1350.
>> Congrats to everyone that got one. I was expecting to be on that train but
>> alas I am not.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my
>>> custom and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they
>>> didn't do one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold
 in the last several hours. Hmm.

 Eric
 too many bikes, not enough budget


 On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst
> 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one.
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a
>> short stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up.
>> Not good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs 
>> they
>> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had
>> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not 
>> sure
>> I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from 
>> an
>> aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale
 thread better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the 
 frame
 they want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a 
 nice
 day! 🙋‍♂️🙂
 Joe Bernard

 On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and
> sent a pic of the green one with this text:
> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>
>

Re: [RBW] WTB Clem Frame n Fork

[Matthew Mosen]

Thanks for the tip on the Vermont bike. I'd really like to find something 
local to avoid shipping. If that doesn't happen then I'll probably just 
snag one from the next batch.

Matt

On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 8:33:30 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

>
> https://vermont.craigslist.org/bik/d/colchester-rivendell-clem/7499137801.html
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 7:39 AM Matthew Mosen  wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyone has a 52cm Clem frameset they'd like to sell. Maybe 
>> someone is looking to unload a bike to make room for a Rosco Plat. Let me 
>> know please. Ideally it'd be local in the sf bay area
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Matt
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[RBW] Re: Clem L for Sale 52cm Green 2019

[John Maher]

EDIT-
Its a 52cm not 55
and the photos are here on Craigslist 
https://ksu.craigslist.org/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7509299017.html

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 2:27:50 AM UTC-4 John Maher wrote:

> Hey Folks
>
> The bike is in NYC, I would rather not ship
> Green Clem smith L 55
>
> Fairly stock, brooks saddle
> Brooks leather grips
> Not sure what brand the pedals are
> If there is any interest I can post up some pix
>
>  $1750
> Cost wo saddle pedal and grips
> Lightly used, very clean 
>
> John 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Sam Hillborne frameset

[Dustin]

Great looking Sam!  What are you using as a top tube protector?

D

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:14:01 PM UTC-4 phoen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all, 
>
> I have an orange Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset for sale. This is a 57cm 
> from 2009 requiring a 27.2 seat post.
>
> Overall the bike is in great shape. No rust, dents, dings or anything of 
> the sort. Usual wear associated with a bike that gets ridden, but nothing 
> specific to speak of. Pretty nice clearances for larger tires on this 
> model. 90% of the time I’ve owned the bike I ran Compass Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires under SKS P50 fenders. 
>
> I have a 91.5 PBH and the saddle height in the photos is 79.5. The bike is 
> still built up, so I provided a few pics of various set-ups over the years. 
> If you’d like to see a closeup of something specific, just reach out off 
> list and I’ll provide as many photos as you need. 
>
> I’d like to avoid shipping if possible, and would like to try for a 
> local(ish) sale in Sacramento, CA. But, if we have to ship, we can work 
> that out. 
>
> Asking $1100 + shipping via Paypal (buyer covers any PP fees please)
>
> Thanks!
>
> [image: IMG_8478.jpg][image: IMG_7328.jpg][image: IMG_4107.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L for Sale 55cm Green 2019

[John Maher]

LINK TO PHOTOS’

https://ksu.craigslist.org/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7509299017.html

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 2:27:50 AM UTC-4 John Maher wrote:

> Hey Folks
>
> The bike is in NYC, I would rather not ship
> Green Clem smith L 55
>
> Fairly stock, brooks saddle
> Brooks leather grips
> Not sure what brand the pedals are
> If there is any interest I can post up some pix
>
>  $1750
> Cost wo saddle pedal and grips
> Lightly used, very clean 
>
> John 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Allan McLane]

I called and asked about that forward-facing seat clamp because I have a 
NOS set of Dia Compe NGC 982 cantis that I have been saving aside for a 
mermaid Platypus build for my wife. We both got tired of waiting for the 
next Platy shipment and, per a conversation with Grant, the Rosco Platy has 
nearly identical geometry so we getting a green 50 cm frame instead. 

Anyway, Will told me that the seat clamp lug was designed for the tandem 
frames and that they had been worried about too much heat weakening the 
seat tube in that area during fabrication. Turns out that the seat stays 
ended up being welded lower down and further away from the lug so they 
decided to use up those clamp lugs somewhere else.

My plan is to put a collar around the seatpost (29.8mm) and anchor a Nitto 
long cable hanger from there. It’ll be a minor inconvenience to adjust the 
collar whenever the seat height needs changing but it’s not a frequent or 
big deal to me.

The collar: 

Looking forward to getting this frame!

Allan in Marlboro, Vermont 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level. That's 
> why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping and/or 
> missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you could 
> get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just eyeballing 
> it not really. 
>
>
> I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the 
> reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are 
> "great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any 
> bike I ride ;-). 
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 👍
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you 
>>> tell me from where to where.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
>>> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! 🙋‍♂️
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>


 I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone technology 
 things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the Rosco Platy 
 any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd at least see 
 what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple as it is a 
 fine alternative to the common production colors. 

 If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 

 HTA 69.5d
 STA 72d
 Effective TT 652mm
 Stack 666mm  
 Reach 430mm
 Chainstay 540mm
 Rake 67mm
 Front Center 726mm
 Drop 80mm 

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[RBW] WTB: Large MUSA Shorts and/or Sackville Toursacks

[Daniel Rooke]

Hello,

I hesitated too long and missed out on the new MUSA black shorts.  Does 
anyone want to sell theirs - or any MUSA shorts in size large?  I got a 
pair of the new ranger green ones so ok on those.

Also, another thing I missed out on a while back the Sackville toursacks - 
does anyone have a set they'd part with?  Open to all stages of beausage.  

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Stephen Fiete]

It was a great ride, and nice to meet everyone.

Steve

On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 5:31:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> We had our Rivendell Ride today, and I was so happy that we had 10 
> riders! We rode the KalHaven Trail, a rail trail that spans the 34 miles 
> between Kalamazoo and South Haven. Eight of the ten riders brought 
> Rivendells, most had seen a lot of miles. The oldest bike was the ‘97 or 
> ‘98 orange Custom, and the newest was my 2020 Platypus.
>
> Here is the lineup, alphabetized:
> 2 Appaloosas 
> 1 Atlantis (in custom green paint)
> 1 Custom orange Rivendell
> 1 Homer
> 1 Hunq
> 1 Platypus
> 1 Quickbeam
>
> And one Nobilette and a Soma mixte.
>
> It was great weather and good company, and we continued our fellowship at 
> a local brewery post-ride. It was nice for Marc and me to meet everyone in 
> real life and admire their bikes. We are planning our next ride for fall 
> colors on the White Pine Trail. I bet it’s as pretty as it sounds.
>
> Photos in the next post, so wacky Google Groups doesn’t get the 
> opportunity to turn all my photos sideways.
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[amillhench]

Great ride and awesome documentation, Leah!

Wish I could have been there.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

On Jul 16, 2022, at 17:02, Jon Dukeman  wrote:


I happy it turned so good 
Thanks for sharing.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 4:31 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
> We had our Rivendell Ride today, and I was so happy that we had 10 riders! We 
> rode the KalHaven Trail, a rail trail that spans the 34 miles between 
> Kalamazoo and South Haven. Eight of the ten riders brought Rivendells, most 
> had seen a lot of miles. The oldest bike was the ‘97 or ‘98 orange Custom, 
> and the newest was my 2020 Platypus.
> 
> Here is the lineup, alphabetized:
> 2 Appaloosas 
> 1 Atlantis (in custom green paint)
> 1 Custom orange Rivendell
> 1 Homer
> 1 Hunq
> 1 Platypus
> 1 Quickbeam
> 
> And one Nobilette and a Soma mixte.
> 
> It was great weather and good company, and we continued our fellowship at a 
> local brewery post-ride. It was nice for Marc and me to meet everyone in real 
> life and admire their bikes. We are planning our next ride for fall colors on 
> the White Pine Trail. I bet it’s as pretty as it sounds.
> 
> Photos in the next post, so wacky Google Groups doesn’t get the opportunity 
> to turn all my photos sideways.
> 
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

[Patrick Moore]

That's an interesting project. The Puritan in me insists on "One Ring One
Cog One God" (and no g-d freewheel) as an old t-shirt from the fixie fad
era proclaimed, but I also have worked up devious ways to have my
single-fixed gear cake and multiple gear options to eat too.

As to the contest, best ss touring/commuter/all rounder/beater ride for the
dollar, I have to recall one that got away, that early '90s rigid top-end
Diamond Back Axis Team (beautifully tapered, skinny straight leg fork; no
one can tell me that straight forks can't be beautiful) that I converted
with ENO hub to a 64" fixed gear all rounder with 60 mm Big Apples.
Perfectly neutral handling, high bb allowing you to pedal the 170 mm cranks
around corners, tires that rolled acceptably on pavement, floated over
sand, and shrugged off goatheads even though this was 10 years before good
sealants. All this was achieved largely for the cost of the ENO hub, as my
brother gave me a family deal on the frameset and I had the other bits
lying around; but it has been too long for me to recall a total.

I think this project beat out even that other low-cost fixed/ss project
using an early-gen Raleigh Technium sports tourer.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 1:41 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> A while back I posted a WTB for a 58cm Quickbeam.  I finally found a
> frameset/wheelset on a trade.  It had all been ridden pretty hard as a
> commuter, and that pre-installed beausage kind of liberated me from some of
> the usual perfectionist tendencies that I have with my builds.
>
> A thread over on iBob showed off a ~$3000 Pro's Closet listing of a
> Vanilla branded "single speed tourer", and one of the responders suggested
> that we should have a build-off: build the nicest single speed tourer you
> can for the minimum amount of money.
>
> In response to that challenge I threw together a one-day build using
> entirely stuff laying around in my parts collection.  Particularly
> iconoclastic details include a gold anodized Nitto Pearl 11 stem, a heavily
> modified brakeset, and handlebar tape entirely fashioned from remnants.
> Anyway, if you want to have a look, I've got a flickr album:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720300383026
>
> It's actually a 6-speed single speed.  In the album, there are 35/38
> chainrings, a 20/22 Dos/ENO freewheel on one side and a 17T fixed cog on
> the other.  I did some calculations targeted at utilizing the generously
> long Quickbeam dropouts, and decided I can get away with 40/34 chainrings,
> which I also had on-hand on the chainring board.  I have a 16/18 freewheel
> on the way, and then I'll convert it to an 8-speed singlespeed, with gears
> ranging from 43 to 69 inches.
>
> There's another order in the works to make this 'Beam even weirder, but
> that project is a few weeks out.  We'll see if this build concept makes its
> way onto a Roaduno.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] SOLD!! [FS: Carradice SQR Slim (16 litres) + **3** seatpost brackets + 2 extra bag frames + extra kit, $150 shipped CONUS]

[Patrick Moore]

Sold!

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[RBW] Nitto Mark's Rack M-1

[R Gonet]

Brand new, it's still in the original packaging from Rivendell.  $160, 
includes shipping in CONUS and you save on tax, as well.  Please reply off 
list to teno...@gmail.com.  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Sam Hillborne frameset

[Todd G]

Thanks, Dustin! 

It was already on the bike when I received it a few years back. It’s made 
of thick leather and I believe it to be from Velo Orange. I could be wrong 
though. I’ve come close to removing it a few times, but it adds some 
functional personality to the bike, so I’ve just left it.
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-7 Dustin wrote:

> Great looking Sam!  What are you using as a top tube protector?
>
> D
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:14:01 PM UTC-4 phoen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I have an orange Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset for sale. This is a 
>> 57cm from 2009 requiring a 27.2 seat post.
>>
>> Overall the bike is in great shape. No rust, dents, dings or anything of 
>> the sort. Usual wear associated with a bike that gets ridden, but nothing 
>> specific to speak of. Pretty nice clearances for larger tires on this 
>> model. 90% of the time I’ve owned the bike I ran Compass Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires under SKS P50 fenders. 
>>
>> I have a 91.5 PBH and the saddle height in the photos is 79.5. The bike 
>> is still built up, so I provided a few pics of various set-ups over the 
>> years. If you’d like to see a closeup of something specific, just reach out 
>> off list and I’ll provide as many photos as you need. 
>>
>> I’d like to avoid shipping if possible, and would like to try for a 
>> local(ish) sale in Sacramento, CA. But, if we have to ship, we can work 
>> that out. 
>>
>> Asking $1100 + shipping via Paypal (buyer covers any PP fees please)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> [image: IMG_8478.jpg][image: IMG_7328.jpg][image: IMG_4107.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Joe Bernard]

Hehe, knowing Leah she probably put it in the hardest gear and went like 
blazes, with one minor downshift for the big hill at the end. I pity you 
fellows trying to keep up with her! 

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Solidarity?!?!  She doesn't shift.  That's it.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:32:41 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ok so if I'm following this correctly you stayed in one gear in 
>> singlespeed solidarity with Ben for most of the ride..and he was shifting! 
>> I love this story! 😁
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:37:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wesley, I’m laughing out loud. I never looked at the drivetrain until I 
>>> read your comment! At the start of the ride Ben was talking about his 
>>> single speed. He rides single speed. Loves singlespeed. So, Ben has a 
>>> singlespeed. I’m taking his word for it. I don’t look at drivetrains. But 
>>> having been humbled here, I sure will in the future. At least before I 
>>> wrote about them!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom being 
>>> called a single-speed.
>>>
>>>
>>> -W
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>>
 [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]

 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
> Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
> Kickstand.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Great fun, that was! 
>>
>> A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in touch 
>> if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 
>>
>> - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 
>>
>> [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
>> Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Large MUSA Shorts and/or Sackville Toursacks

[Joe Bernard]

DM sent. I lied to myself about my weight and shoulda got XL 😬

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:51 AM UTC-7 Daniel Rooke wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I hesitated too long and missed out on the new MUSA black shorts.  Does 
> anyone want to sell theirs - or any MUSA shorts in size large?  I got a 
> pair of the new ranger green ones so ok on those.
>
> Also, another thing I missed out on a while back the Sackville toursacks - 
> does anyone have a set they'd part with?  Open to all stages of beausage.  
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Sam Hillborne frameset

[Minh]

i had to do a double take as i sold an orange one like this with an 
identical leather top tube protector a few weeks ago, but AFAIK my old one 
is still on the east coast.  

can confirm that mine was from velo orange and this one looks very similar

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-4 phoen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Dustin! 
>
> It was already on the bike when I received it a few years back. It’s made 
> of thick leather and I believe it to be from Velo Orange. I could be wrong 
> though. I’ve come close to removing it a few times, but it adds some 
> functional personality to the bike, so I’ve just left it.
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-7 Dustin wrote:
>
>> Great looking Sam!  What are you using as a top tube protector?
>>
>> D
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:14:01 PM UTC-4 phoen...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>>
>>> I have an orange Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset for sale. This is a 
>>> 57cm from 2009 requiring a 27.2 seat post.
>>>
>>> Overall the bike is in great shape. No rust, dents, dings or anything of 
>>> the sort. Usual wear associated with a bike that gets ridden, but nothing 
>>> specific to speak of. Pretty nice clearances for larger tires on this 
>>> model. 90% of the time I’ve owned the bike I ran Compass Snoqualmie Pass 
>>> tires under SKS P50 fenders. 
>>>
>>> I have a 91.5 PBH and the saddle height in the photos is 79.5. The bike 
>>> is still built up, so I provided a few pics of various set-ups over the 
>>> years. If you’d like to see a closeup of something specific, just reach out 
>>> off list and I’ll provide as many photos as you need. 
>>>
>>> I’d like to avoid shipping if possible, and would like to try for a 
>>> local(ish) sale in Sacramento, CA. But, if we have to ship, we can work 
>>> that out. 
>>>
>>> Asking $1100 + shipping via Paypal (buyer covers any PP fees please)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8478.jpg][image: IMG_7328.jpg][image: IMG_4107.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

[Minh]

hey bill looks great, and the pre-scratch & dent frames can be a little 
liberating, but even with the parts bin build, a quickbeam is always gonna 
look great!

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That's an interesting project. The Puritan in me insists on "One Ring One 
> Cog One God" (and no g-d freewheel) as an old t-shirt from the fixie fad 
> era proclaimed, but I also have worked up devious ways to have my 
> single-fixed gear cake and multiple gear options to eat too.
>
> As to the contest, best ss touring/commuter/all rounder/beater ride for 
> the dollar, I have to recall one that got away, that early '90s rigid 
> top-end Diamond Back Axis Team (beautifully tapered, skinny straight leg 
> fork; no one can tell me that straight forks can't be beautiful) that I 
> converted with ENO hub to a 64" fixed gear all rounder with 60 mm Big 
> Apples. Perfectly neutral handling, high bb allowing you to pedal the 170 
> mm cranks around corners, tires that rolled acceptably on pavement, floated 
> over sand, and shrugged off goatheads even though this was 10 years before 
> good sealants. All this was achieved largely for the cost of the ENO hub, 
> as my brother gave me a family deal on the frameset and I had the other 
> bits lying around; but it has been too long for me to recall a total.
>
> I think this project beat out even that other low-cost fixed/ss project 
> using an early-gen Raleigh Technium sports tourer.
>
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 1:41 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> A while back I posted a WTB for a 58cm Quickbeam.  I finally found a 
>> frameset/wheelset on a trade.  It had all been ridden pretty hard as a 
>> commuter, and that pre-installed beausage kind of liberated me from some of 
>> the usual perfectionist tendencies that I have with my builds.  
>>
>> A thread over on iBob showed off a ~$3000 Pro's Closet listing of a 
>> Vanilla branded "single speed tourer", and one of the responders suggested 
>> that we should have a build-off: build the nicest single speed tourer you 
>> can for the minimum amount of money.  
>>
>> In response to that challenge I threw together a one-day build using 
>> entirely stuff laying around in my parts collection.  Particularly 
>> iconoclastic details include a gold anodized Nitto Pearl 11 stem, a heavily 
>> modified brakeset, and handlebar tape entirely fashioned from remnants.  
>> Anyway, if you want to have a look, I've got a flickr album:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720300383026
>>
>> It's actually a 6-speed single speed.  In the album, there are 35/38 
>> chainrings, a 20/22 Dos/ENO freewheel on one side and a 17T fixed cog on 
>> the other.  I did some calculations targeted at utilizing the generously 
>> long Quickbeam dropouts, and decided I can get away with 40/34 chainrings, 
>> which I also had on-hand on the chainring board.  I have a 16/18 freewheel 
>> on the way, and then I'll convert it to an 8-speed singlespeed, with gears 
>> ranging from 43 to 69 inches.  
>>
>> There's another order in the works to make this 'Beam even weirder, but 
>> that project is a few weeks out.  We'll see if this build concept makes its 
>> way onto a Roaduno.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Max S]

Pretty sure there's a photo somewhere that's proof... Oh, right here: 
[image: scorchern0825-1-72dpi.jpg]

(https://www.ibiscycles.com/our-story/history/11-the-scorcher-will-teach-you) 

- Max "just do it (already)!" in A2

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:58:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hehe, knowing Leah she probably put it in the hardest gear and went like 
> blazes, with one minor downshift for the big hill at the end. I pity you 
> fellows trying to keep up with her! 
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> Solidarity?!?!  She doesn't shift.  That's it.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:32:41 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ok so if I'm following this correctly you stayed in one gear in 
>>> singlespeed solidarity with Ben for most of the ride..and he was shifting! 
>>> I love this story! 😁
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:37:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wesley, I’m laughing out loud. I never looked at the drivetrain until I 
 read your comment! At the start of the ride Ben was talking about his 
 single speed. He rides single speed. Loves singlespeed. So, Ben has a 
 singlespeed. I’m taking his word for it. I don’t look at drivetrains. But 
 having been humbled here, I sure will in the future. At least before I 
 wrote about them!
 Leah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Wesley  wrote:

 I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom 
 being called a single-speed.


 -W
 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
>> Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
>> Kickstand.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Great fun, that was! 
>>>
>>> A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in 
>>> touch if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 
>>>
>>> - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 
>>>
>>> [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
>>> Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Sam Hillborne frameset

[Todd G]

Good to know, Minh, thanks for the insight.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:45:00 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:

> i had to do a double take as i sold an orange one like this with an 
> identical leather top tube protector a few weeks ago, but AFAIK my old one 
> is still on the east coast.  
>
> can confirm that mine was from velo orange and this one looks very similar
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-4 phoen...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Dustin! 
>>
>> It was already on the bike when I received it a few years back. It’s made 
>> of thick leather and I believe it to be from Velo Orange. I could be wrong 
>> though. I’ve come close to removing it a few times, but it adds some 
>> functional personality to the bike, so I’ve just left it.
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-7 Dustin wrote:
>>
>>> Great looking Sam!  What are you using as a top tube protector?
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:14:01 PM UTC-4 phoen...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all, 

 I have an orange Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset for sale. This is a 
 57cm from 2009 requiring a 27.2 seat post.

 Overall the bike is in great shape. No rust, dents, dings or anything 
 of the sort. Usual wear associated with a bike that gets ridden, but 
 nothing specific to speak of. Pretty nice clearances for larger tires on 
 this model. 90% of the time I’ve owned the bike I ran Compass Snoqualmie 
 Pass tires under SKS P50 fenders. 

 I have a 91.5 PBH and the saddle height in the photos is 79.5. The bike 
 is still built up, so I provided a few pics of various set-ups over the 
 years. If you’d like to see a closeup of something specific, just reach 
 out 
 off list and I’ll provide as many photos as you need. 

 I’d like to avoid shipping if possible, and would like to try for a 
 local(ish) sale in Sacramento, CA. But, if we have to ship, we can work 
 that out. 

 Asking $1100 + shipping via Paypal (buyer covers any PP fees please)

 Thanks!

 [image: IMG_8478.jpg][image: IMG_7328.jpg][image: IMG_4107.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[lconley]

Use one of these. Works front or rear with different length bolt:
[image: brake.JPG][image: brake.JPG]

Laing


On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:37:27 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> If I were looking to mount cantilevers on a Rosco Platy, I'd use a small 
> loop of Spectra or Dyneema (high tech rope that's stronger than steel and 
> doesn't stretch). Loop it through a cable anger and around the seat post 
> stub like this, and you'd have a totally functional & totally unique brake 
> setup: 
> [image: seatpost-line.png]
> -W
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:51 AM UTC-7 allan@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I called and asked about that forward-facing seat clamp because I have a 
>> NOS set of Dia Compe NGC 982 cantis that I have been saving aside for a 
>> mermaid Platypus build for my wife. We both got tired of waiting for the 
>> next Platy shipment and, per a conversation with Grant, the Rosco Platy has 
>> nearly identical geometry so we getting a green 50 cm frame instead. 
>>
>> Anyway, Will told me that the seat clamp lug was designed for the tandem 
>> frames and that they had been worried about too much heat weakening the 
>> seat tube in that area during fabrication. Turns out that the seat stays 
>> ended up being welded lower down and further away from the lug so they 
>> decided to use up those clamp lugs somewhere else.
>>
>> My plan is to put a collar around the seatpost (29.8mm) and anchor a 
>> Nitto long cable hanger from there. It’ll be a minor inconvenience to 
>> adjust the collar whenever the seat height needs changing but it’s not a 
>> frequent or big deal to me.
>>
>> The collar: 
>>
>> Looking forward to getting this frame!
>>
>> Allan in Marlboro, Vermont 
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level. 
>>> That's why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping 
>>> and/or missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you 
>>> could get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just 
>>> eyeballing it not really. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the 
>>> reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are 
>>> "great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any 
>>> bike I ride ;-). 
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 👍

 On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you 
> tell me from where to where.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! 🙋‍♂️
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone 
>> technology things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the 
>> Rosco Platy any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd 
>> at 
>> least see what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple 
>> as 
>> it is a fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>>
>> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>>
>> HTA 69.5d
>> STA 72d
>> Effective TT 652mm
>> Stack 666mm  
>> Reach 430mm
>> Chainstay 540mm
>> Rake 67mm
>> Front Center 726mm
>> Drop 80mm 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Eric Daume]

That's a good idea Laing... I have some nice cantis I would like to use,
but no V brakes on hand. I think I'll try something like this.

Eric

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 4:19 PM lconley  wrote:

> Use one of these. Works front or rear with different length bolt:
> [image: brake.JPG][image: brake.JPG]
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:37:27 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> If I were looking to mount cantilevers on a Rosco Platy, I'd use a small
>> loop of Spectra or Dyneema (high tech rope that's stronger than steel and
>> doesn't stretch). Loop it through a cable anger and around the seat post
>> stub like this, and you'd have a totally functional & totally unique brake
>> setup:
>> [image: seatpost-line.png]
>> -W
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:51 AM UTC-7 allan@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I called and asked about that forward-facing seat clamp because I have a
>>> NOS set of Dia Compe NGC 982 cantis that I have been saving aside for a
>>> mermaid Platypus build for my wife. We both got tired of waiting for the
>>> next Platy shipment and, per a conversation with Grant, the Rosco Platy has
>>> nearly identical geometry so we getting a green 50 cm frame instead.
>>>
>>> Anyway, Will told me that the seat clamp lug was designed for the tandem
>>> frames and that they had been worried about too much heat weakening the
>>> seat tube in that area during fabrication. Turns out that the seat stays
>>> ended up being welded lower down and further away from the lug so they
>>> decided to use up those clamp lugs somewhere else.
>>>
>>> My plan is to put a collar around the seatpost (29.8mm) and anchor a
>>> Nitto long cable hanger from there. It’ll be a minor inconvenience to
>>> adjust the collar whenever the seat height needs changing but it’s not a
>>> frequent or big deal to me.
>>>
>>> The collar: 
>>>
>>> Looking forward to getting this frame!
>>>
>>> Allan in Marlboro, Vermont
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level.
 That's why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping
 and/or missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you
 could get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just
 eyeballing it not really.


 I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the
 reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are
 "great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any
 bike I ride ;-).
 On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 👍
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you
>> tell me from where to where.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective
>> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! 🙋‍♂️
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone
>>> technology things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the
>>> Rosco Platy any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd 
>>> at
>>> least see what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in 
>>> purple as
>>> it is a fine alternative to the common production colors.
>>>
>>> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will !
>>>
>>> HTA 69.5d
>>> STA 72d
>>> Effective TT 652mm
>>> Stack 666mm
>>> Reach 430mm
>>> Chainstay 540mm
>>> Rake 67mm
>>> Front Center 726mm
>>> Drop 80mm
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

I believe (I can't find the spec now, maybe it was in a Riv email) the 
seatpost on these is 29.8. There's no Funky Monkey big enough. 

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Ok I finally have to ask if there’s a reason one could not use something 
> like a Paul Funky Monkey rear cable hanger for seatpost? Or a similar 
> cheaper device? I understand that it fixes the seat pretty well in place 
> but otherwise?
>
> On Jul 18, 2022, at 12:37, Wesley  wrote:
>
> If I were looking to mount cantilevers on a Rosco Platy, I'd use a small 
> loop of Spectra or Dyneema (high tech rope that's stronger than steel and 
> doesn't stretch). Loop it through a cable anger and around the seat post 
> stub like this, and you'd have a totally functional & totally unique brake 
> setup: 
>
> [image: seatpost-line.png]
> -W
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:51 AM UTC-7 allan@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I called and asked about that forward-facing seat clamp because I have a 
>> NOS set of Dia Compe NGC 982 cantis that I have been saving aside for a 
>> mermaid Platypus build for my wife. We both got tired of waiting for the 
>> next Platy shipment and, per a conversation with Grant, the Rosco Platy has 
>> nearly identical geometry so we getting a green 50 cm frame instead. 
>>
>> Anyway, Will told me that the seat clamp lug was designed for the tandem 
>> frames and that they had been worried about too much heat weakening the 
>> seat tube in that area during fabrication. Turns out that the seat stays 
>> ended up being welded lower down and further away from the lug so they 
>> decided to use up those clamp lugs somewhere else.
>>
>> My plan is to put a collar around the seatpost (29.8mm) and anchor a 
>> Nitto long cable hanger from there. It’ll be a minor inconvenience to 
>> adjust the collar whenever the seat height needs changing but it’s not a 
>> frequent or big deal to me.
>>
>> The collar: 
>>
>> Looking forward to getting this frame!
>>
>> Allan in Marlboro, Vermont 
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level. 
>>> That's why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping 
>>> and/or missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you 
>>> could get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just 
>>> eyeballing it not really. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the 
>>> reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are 
>>> "great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any 
>>> bike I ride ;-). 
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 👍

 On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you 
> tell me from where to where.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! 🙋‍♂️
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone 
>> technology things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the 
>> Rosco Platy any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd 
>> at 
>> least see what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple 
>> as 
>> it is a fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>>
>> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>>
>> HTA 69.5d
>> STA 72d
>> Effective TT 652mm
>> Stack 666mm  
>> Reach 430mm
>> Chainstay 540mm
>> Rake 67mm
>> Front Center 726mm
>> Drop 80mm 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Joe, You do know me, because that is exactly what I did. And then I decided 
I’d rather push harder than spin faster and went back to my original gear. 
I think you may have missed it but I posted a pic a little earlier in the 
thread of my splits. The part where I freak out about the reservation is 
obvious.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:58:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hehe, knowing Leah she probably put it in the hardest gear and went like 
> blazes, with one minor downshift for the big hill at the end. I pity you 
> fellows trying to keep up with her! 
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> Solidarity?!?!  She doesn't shift.  That's it.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:32:41 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ok so if I'm following this correctly you stayed in one gear in 
>>> singlespeed solidarity with Ben for most of the ride..and he was shifting! 
>>> I love this story! 😁
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:37:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wesley, I’m laughing out loud. I never looked at the drivetrain until I 
 read your comment! At the start of the ride Ben was talking about his 
 single speed. He rides single speed. Loves singlespeed. So, Ben has a 
 singlespeed. I’m taking his word for it. I don’t look at drivetrains. But 
 having been humbled here, I sure will in the future. At least before I 
 wrote about them!
 Leah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Wesley  wrote:

 I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom 
 being called a single-speed.


 -W
 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
>> Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
>> Kickstand.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Great fun, that was! 
>>>
>>> A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in 
>>> touch if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and nicely. 
>>>
>>> - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 
>>>
>>> [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
>>> Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, I did see the splits and you can see when the alarm bells went off. 
MY alarm bells went off when I saw your heart rate! Slow down Leah! 

Joe "resident worrywart" Bernard 

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:53:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Joe, You do know me, because that is exactly what I did. And then I 
> decided I’d rather push harder than spin faster and went back to my 
> original gear. I think you may have missed it but I posted a pic a little 
> earlier in the thread of my splits. The part where I freak out about the 
> reservation is obvious.
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:58:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hehe, knowing Leah she probably put it in the hardest gear and went like 
>> blazes, with one minor downshift for the big hill at the end. I pity you 
>> fellows trying to keep up with her! 
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> Solidarity?!?!  She doesn't shift.  That's it.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:32:41 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Ok so if I'm following this correctly you stayed in one gear in 
 singlespeed solidarity with Ben for most of the ride..and he was shifting! 
 I love this story! 😁

 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:37:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Wesley, I’m laughing out loud. I never looked at the drivetrain until 
> I read your comment! At the start of the ride Ben was talking about his 
> single speed. He rides single speed. Loves singlespeed. So, Ben has a 
> singlespeed. I’m taking his word for it. I don’t look at drivetrains. But 
> having been humbled here, I sure will in the future. At least before I 
> wrote about them!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> I love all of this, and must admit being confused by Ben's custom 
> being called a single-speed.
>
>
> -W
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:01:30 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> [image: Leah saddlesack.jpeg][image: Platypus downtube.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Rainbows and unicorns.jpeg][image: The bike life.jpeg][image: 
>>> Rivvy Rally SW MI Jul 2022.jpeg][image: VO Adjustable Double 
>>> Kickstand.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Great fun, that was! 

 A few more photodetails and a plug for Josh's bike biz – get in 
 touch if you want your nice steel bike electrified properly and 
 nicely. 

 - Max "those last 3 miles were definitely uphill!" in A2 

 [image: Josh Planetary Gear.jpeg][image: Copenhagenize.jpeg][image: 
 Get some light in here.jpeg][image: The Rivendell Pirate.jpeg]

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[RBW] Re: Me packing a frame for shipping (repair & repaint)

[RichS]

Max, that is an outstanding packing job. Would certainly meet Rivendell's 
approval. Based on my experiences with prepping frames for shipment I'd say 
you have a few hours invested in this masterpiece.

Who is doing the paintwork?

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 4:42:36 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I cannot wait to see it when you get it back. It’s going to be fabulous. 
> And not to jinx it, but you padded it so well…what could possibly happen to 
> it? You’re golden!
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 4:24:08 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> It's heading out to get repaired & repainted, just 3.5 hours away, but... 
>>
>> - Max "let's not talk about how I got this way" in A2 
>>
>> [image: Shipping a frame - seat tube & fork steerer.jpg]
>> [image: Shipping a frame - dropouts.jpg]
>> [image: Shipping a frame - tube protection.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Garth]

A funky monkey could only be used if you changed to a 27.2 seatpost with 
the proper seat tube shim. The Roco has a 29.8 post. 

If the seat lug teardrop thingy didn't go so far down you could attach a 
31.8mm front drop cable stop with either a curved or flexible noodle to 
adjust for the angle, but it's there so that won't work either. 

The Tektro fork mounted hangers look fine and all on a computer screen. 
When the rubber meets the road however, it appears the rear brake bridge is 
like the Susie, with the threaded hold facing down. Besides, even if you 
could attach it, those hangers on the rear place the cable stop notably 
offset (rearward) from where a frame mounted cable stop would be. I tried 
it on the Susie. 

All of that though .well why should one have to go through all those 
hoops when the entire problem is one of omitting the cable stop bridge ? 
((Yes I know, I'm just howling to the moon and the Moon ain't replying, 
teeheehee)) They cost about $1.95 from a frame supplier, retail. For a 
builder, ummm  pennies. Labor involved, c'mon . do we really want 
to go there ?  So it surely can't be about penny pinching, especially on a 
$1350 frame. So why not include it ?(((again ... how-ooo-ling))) I could 
make all sorts of not so nice assumptions but they'd be no more than that. 
There is really no excuse for not having one.  Canti brakes are not going 
away. There's plenty to choose from still, so no that's no excuse. 

I'm okay with not getting one though as it wasn't exactly what I'd like in 
frame anyways. I have a Susie and as of now I have no desire to even build 
it, let alone ride. Through all this I realize I happen to really like 
"regular" diamond shaped bikes that take stock length chains and can be 
used with either drop bars or say a Albatross/stache bar, not one of those 
monster swept back bars. While I'll never rid myself of the Bombadil I 
don't think I'll ever buy another Riv. That's not knock, just my preference 
from what feels natural to me, that's like my custom Franklin 
road/sport/touring kinda frame. 
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 4:28:42 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Ran into the same thing on the Rosco Baby:
>
> [image: b (2).jpg]
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 4:22:28 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> That's a good idea Laing... I have some nice cantis I would like to use, 
>> but no V brakes on hand. I think I'll try something like this.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 4:19 PM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Use one of these. Works front or rear with different length bolt:
>>> [image: brake.JPG][image: brake.JPG]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

[Andrew Turner]

I had a chromed Soma Rush with a similar gear setup (two chainrings up 
front and two cogs on a road wheelset). That was a wickedly fun bike to 
mess around on and my first steps into non-conventional builds. Shoulda 
kept it but at least it paid for our first couch. 
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:46:51 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> hey bill looks great, and the pre-scratch & dent frames can be a little 
> liberating, but even with the parts bin build, a quickbeam is always gonna 
> look great!
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's an interesting project. The Puritan in me insists on "One Ring One 
>> Cog One God" (and no g-d freewheel) as an old t-shirt from the fixie fad 
>> era proclaimed, but I also have worked up devious ways to have my 
>> single-fixed gear cake and multiple gear options to eat too.
>>
>> As to the contest, best ss touring/commuter/all rounder/beater ride for 
>> the dollar, I have to recall one that got away, that early '90s rigid 
>> top-end Diamond Back Axis Team (beautifully tapered, skinny straight leg 
>> fork; no one can tell me that straight forks can't be beautiful) that I 
>> converted with ENO hub to a 64" fixed gear all rounder with 60 mm Big 
>> Apples. Perfectly neutral handling, high bb allowing you to pedal the 170 
>> mm cranks around corners, tires that rolled acceptably on pavement, floated 
>> over sand, and shrugged off goatheads even though this was 10 years before 
>> good sealants. All this was achieved largely for the cost of the ENO hub, 
>> as my brother gave me a family deal on the frameset and I had the other 
>> bits lying around; but it has been too long for me to recall a total.
>>
>> I think this project beat out even that other low-cost fixed/ss project 
>> using an early-gen Raleigh Technium sports tourer.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 1:41 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> A while back I posted a WTB for a 58cm Quickbeam.  I finally found a 
>>> frameset/wheelset on a trade.  It had all been ridden pretty hard as a 
>>> commuter, and that pre-installed beausage kind of liberated me from some of 
>>> the usual perfectionist tendencies that I have with my builds.  
>>>
>>> A thread over on iBob showed off a ~$3000 Pro's Closet listing of a 
>>> Vanilla branded "single speed tourer", and one of the responders suggested 
>>> that we should have a build-off: build the nicest single speed tourer you 
>>> can for the minimum amount of money.  
>>>
>>> In response to that challenge I threw together a one-day build using 
>>> entirely stuff laying around in my parts collection.  Particularly 
>>> iconoclastic details include a gold anodized Nitto Pearl 11 stem, a heavily 
>>> modified brakeset, and handlebar tape entirely fashioned from remnants.  
>>> Anyway, if you want to have a look, I've got a flickr album:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720300383026
>>>
>>> It's actually a 6-speed single speed.  In the album, there are 35/38 
>>> chainrings, a 20/22 Dos/ENO freewheel on one side and a 17T fixed cog on 
>>> the other.  I did some calculations targeted at utilizing the generously 
>>> long Quickbeam dropouts, and decided I can get away with 40/34 chainrings, 
>>> which I also had on-hand on the chainring board.  I have a 16/18 freewheel 
>>> on the way, and then I'll convert it to an 8-speed singlespeed, with gears 
>>> ranging from 43 to 69 inches.  
>>>
>>> There's another order in the works to make this 'Beam even weirder, but 
>>> that project is a few weeks out.  We'll see if this build concept makes its 
>>> way onto a Roaduno.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Me packing a frame for shipping (repair & repaint)

[J S]

I pack like that too, and if no styrofoam is available I use bubble wrap. 
 Well done.  

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 4:24:08 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> It's heading out to get repaired & repainted, just 3.5 hours away, but... 
>
> - Max "let's not talk about how I got this way" in A2 
>
> [image: Shipping a frame - seat tube & fork steerer.jpg]
> [image: Shipping a frame - dropouts.jpg]
> [image: Shipping a frame - tube protection.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Me packing a frame for shipping (repair & repaint)

[Joe Bernard]

My one quibble would be zipties. I freakin' hate trying to cut or twist 
those suckers off while trying to avoid gouging paint. I wrap the pipe 
insulation with tape. 

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:23:29 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I pack like that too, and if no styrofoam is available I use bubble wrap. 
>  Well done.  
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 4:24:08 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> It's heading out to get repaired & repainted, just 3.5 hours away, but... 
>>
>> - Max "let's not talk about how I got this way" in A2 
>>
>> [image: Shipping a frame - seat tube & fork steerer.jpg]
>> [image: Shipping a frame - dropouts.jpg]
>> [image: Shipping a frame - tube protection.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Mark's Rack M-1

[R Gonet]

The M-1 Rack has been sold.  Boy, these are popular, judging from the 
response.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-6 R Gonet wrote:

> Brand new, it's still in the original packaging from Rivendell.  $160, 
> includes shipping in CONUS and you save on tax, as well.  Please reply off 
> list to ten...@gmail.com.  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bosco Bullmoose 54cm

[Jan O.]

Found!

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