[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Eric Marth]

Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out for 
you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change if 
> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even longer 
> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Thanks James! 
>>
>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were both 
>> in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented with 
>> v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it was 
>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model (one 
>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, just 
>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is beefier 
>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to Mark 
>> Nobilette. 
>>
>> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how do you 
>>> think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big welds vs 
>>> lugs?  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
 Very very nice Joe!

 It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
 rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all that.

 Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just roll 
 their eyes when I start talking bikes.

 It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then share 
 with folks that understand.
  
 A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you folks 
 bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or enhance my own 
 bikes.

 Paul in Dallas 
 (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)





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>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a Rivendell Silver 173mm crankset on my Quickbeam with a 68x103mm 
Tange BB unit.  There are two chain rings and they are 38/35.  On my Phil 
flip-flop rear track hub I am running two White Industries DOS ENO 
freewheels.  A 16/18 on one side and a 20/22 on the other.  I avoid using 
the 35x16 and the 38x22, but will use the other six combos a lot.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 6:01:37 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - you say the Quickbeam is setup as "a 8-speed single speed," so I'm 
> assuming an IGH?  If so, what kind?  A Shimano Nexus 8?  Also, again 
> assuming an IGH, how did you do the cable routing?  I have a Surly 1x1 and 
> I've been fantasizing turning it into an IGH, but I'd have to change bars 
> and figure out how to route the shifting cable.
> George
>
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 12:14:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
>> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
>> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
>> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
>> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.  
>>
>> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also have 
>> been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
>> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
>> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run 
>> brakes.  
>>
>> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
>> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released 
>> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
>> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire 
>> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.  
>> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of 
>> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
>> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>>
>> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a 
>> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with 
>> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's 
>> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's 
>> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style 
>> ends.  
>>
>> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you want 
>> is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  So, I 
>> went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm pretty 
>> excited.  
>>
>> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
>> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
>> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
>> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't 
>> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
>> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm running a 68x103mm bottom bracket with a Rivendell Silver crankset.  My 
two chainrings are on the "big" and "middle" positions.  

Generally speaking, the BB you need depends on the crankset you have.  If 
you think the current BB on your Quickbeam is the right length, but you 
want to upgrade it, then just measure it and replace it with a BB of the 
same size.  If you think it's not the perfect size, then figure out what it 
is and consider buying the next size up or down.  If you have no clue about 
these things, hire a good mechanic who you trust to look it over and advise 
you.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> sorry for the thread hack... if you could stab again or perhaps another 
> double crankset quickbeamer could answer: what bottom bracket would this 
> run?  I have a simple one running 48-18 and I have a nice skf 107 jis and 
> would like to move it over to my double 32/42-19/17 and unfortunately don't 
> know the laws of bicycles enough to understand how things pair. the current 
> 58cm quick beam is running great other than a much needed bb upgrade.
> thanks!
>
> To resume, the new lightning bolt ss is a stunner, can't wait for a 
> review
>
> Jason
>
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 2:31:57 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Aha! Thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 12:50:46 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> George, I'll take a stab at answering this one for Bill.
>>>
>>> He has a double crankset (2 gears), and some combination of double cogs 
>>> and/or freewheels in rear resulting in 4 gears out back.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 6:01:37 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - you say the Quickbeam is setup as "a 8-speed single speed," so 
 I'm assuming an IGH?  If so, what kind?  A Shimano Nexus 8?  Also, again 
 assuming an IGH, how did you do the cable routing?  I have a Surly 1x1 and 
 I've been fantasizing turning it into an IGH, but I'd have to change bars 
 and figure out how to route the shifting cable.
 George


 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 12:14:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment. 
>  
>
> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also 
> have been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT 
> run 
> brakes.  
>
> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were 
> released 
> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to 
> acquire 
> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed. 
>  
> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair 
> of 
> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>
> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a 
> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with 
> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's 
> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  
> It's 
> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style 
> ends.  
>
> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you 
> want is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  
> So, I went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm 
> pretty excited.  
>
> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake 
> won't 
> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] WTB: Albatross, wheelset, front rack, tires

[Patch T]

Hi Folks,

I've found myself building up now 3 bikes for 3 friends. They're all mostly 
done; just need a few additional parts. Budgets are reaching their max, so 
I'm looking for some used parts in usable condition.

   - all-silver 700c rim-brake wheelset 100/130; 8/9/10 spd compatible; 
   rims need not be tubeless ready
   - Nitto Albatross, ideally HT but cro-mo ok
   - Front Rack, 2 flavors: 
  - one that mounts to fork-ends (like VO Constructeur) 
  - and one that mounts to mid-fork eyelets, or p-clamps (not 
  canti-posts)
   - 700x38c tires (like GravelKing slicks)
   - 9 speed 11-32 or 11-34 cassette
   - and, a specific long shot: Nitto x Fairweather 174aa all-road bar in 
   silver

Thanks all
Patch in NYC

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Patch T]

As always, I very much looking forward to this Bill Lindsay build. 


On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.  
>
> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also have 
> been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run 
> brakes.  
>
> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released 
> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire 
> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.  
> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of 
> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>
> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a new 
> variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with clearance 
> for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's belt-compatible 
> and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's almost exactly 
> what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style ends.  
>
> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you want 
> is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  So, I 
> went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm pretty 
> excited.  
>
> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't 
> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Mark's Rack -- Carcass ONLY

[Bill Lindsay]

It's looking like nobody is set up to convert my Mark's Rack Carcass into a 
full Mark's Rack.  So, mine is going back into my Rack Box for some future 
application.  If somebody changes their mind and needs a project, let me 
know.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 10:35:45 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are several people out there looking for a Mark's Rack.  I'm holding 
> one, and I know that I'll have the opportunity to use it someday, so I'm 
> content to hold it.  That said, if somebody out there is super eager, I'm 
> willing to trade my insurance for some money.
>
> My Mark's Rack is currently only a carcass.  There are NO Struts, and No 
> Strut daruma bolts.  Those parts have been scavenged by me for other Nitto 
> rack implementations in my stable.  It's just the rack body, plus the 
> diving board, plus the nuts and bolts for the diving board.  You will have 
> to source struts and darumas on your own.  If you buy a complete, new 
> Mark's Rack for $160, you would get two pairs of struts and four daruma 
> bolts.  Those parts are not cheap if you have to go buy them at retail.  
>
> So, my ideal purchaser will be somebody who accumulates struts and other 
> Nitto hardware and can make a complete rack from this chassis without 
> having to outlay a ton of extra money.  
>
> I'm asking $100 shipped.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Has anyone used successfully the Silver 2 shifter with Velo-Orange Thumb Shifter Mounts?

[Jay LePree]

Hi all:
I am thinking of purchasing the Silver 2 shifters for my Platypus.  I am 
currently using Ultegra 9 speed shifters on Velo-Orange Thumb Shifter 
mounts.   Has anyone used the Silver 2 with the Velo-Orange Thumb shifter 
mounts? 

Kind regards,

Jay LePree
Demarest, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone used successfully the Silver 2 shifter with Velo-Orange Thumb Shifter Mounts?

[Jay LePree]

Sorry i missed this:

they are NOT compatible:

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KyzilhkbEak/m/OIL2VEmABgAJ

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 10:06:17 AM UTC-4 Jay LePree wrote:

> Hi all:
> I am thinking of purchasing the Silver 2 shifters for my Platypus.  I am 
> currently using Ultegra 9 speed shifters on Velo-Orange Thumb Shifter 
> mounts.   Has anyone used the Silver 2 with the Velo-Orange Thumb shifter 
> mounts? 
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jay LePree
> Demarest, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Bill Lindsay]

This is the Flickr Album where I will post all my build photos.  There are 
a few unboxing shots in there already.  

Single Speed Rando | Flickr 


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:21:23 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> As always, I very much looking forward to this Bill Lindsay build. 
>
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
>> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
>> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
>> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
>> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.  
>>
>> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also have 
>> been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
>> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
>> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run 
>> brakes.  
>>
>> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
>> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released 
>> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
>> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire 
>> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.  
>> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of 
>> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
>> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>>
>> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a 
>> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with 
>> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's 
>> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's 
>> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style 
>> ends.  
>>
>> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you want 
>> is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  So, I 
>> went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm pretty 
>> excited.  
>>
>> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
>> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
>> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
>> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't 
>> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
>> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Bill Lindsay]

Corwin pointed out that the existing RoadUNO prototypes have tilted rear 
dropouts.  

Yes, that was clear from the photos in Will's email update.  In that same 
email update from Will, he indicated that he thought they look too chunky, 
and stated that Rivendell has selected a different, more svelte track end 
from some other vendor, and that svelte track end will be used on the next 
round of prototype.  He indicated that there were enough changes coming 
that rendered this round of prototypes almost irrelevant to what eventually 
gets produced next year.  

I change gears "all the time" on my multispeed single speeds.  At least 
twice per ride, so that feature was/is extremely valuable to me.  The way 
things seem to be moving, I'll either be doing a strict two-speed with a 
single wheel position -OR- do away with the rear brake.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 10:21:59 PM UTC-7 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Bill -
>
> I was at Rivendell last week. I saw the Roaduno prototype up close.
>
> Not sure what dropouts they are using - but I recognized the angle on the 
> rear dropout as the same angle on the rear dropouts on my Quickbeam.
>
> For me, the angle is not as critical as I thought it would be. I rarely 
> change gears (I have a flip/flop hub and had a double crankset). I just 
> don't seem to need to change gears to get up the hills I ride.
>
> Your mileage may vary.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 10:14:16 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
>> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
>> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
>> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
>> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.  
>>
>> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also have 
>> been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
>> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
>> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run 
>> brakes.  
>>
>> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
>> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released 
>> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
>> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire 
>> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.  
>> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of 
>> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
>> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>>
>> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a 
>> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with 
>> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's 
>> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's 
>> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style 
>> ends.  
>>
>> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you want 
>> is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  So, I 
>> went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm pretty 
>> excited.  
>>
>> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
>> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
>> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
>> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't 
>> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
>> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[George Schick]

Bill - now I see why you like the rear dropout on that Quickbeam so much.  
That's a lot of moving the wheel forward or backward for gear changes.  
Must've be fun trying to figure what chain length you needed, though.


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 7:14:40 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have a Rivendell Silver 173mm crankset on my Quickbeam with a 68x103mm 
> Tange BB unit.  There are two chain rings and they are 38/35.  On my Phil 
> flip-flop rear track hub I am running two White Industries DOS ENO 
> freewheels.  A 16/18 on one side and a 20/22 on the other.  I avoid using 
> the 35x16 and the 38x22, but will use the other six combos a lot.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 6:01:37 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - you say the Quickbeam is setup as "a 8-speed single speed," so I'm 
>> assuming an IGH?  If so, what kind?  A Shimano Nexus 8?  Also, again 
>> assuming an IGH, how did you do the cable routing?  I have a Surly 1x1 and 
>> I've been fantasizing turning it into an IGH, but I'd have to change bars 
>> and figure out how to route the shifting cable.
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 12:14:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
>>> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
>>> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
>>> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
>>> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.  
>>>
>>> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also 
>>> have been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
>>> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
>>> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run 
>>> brakes.  
>>>
>>> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
>>> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released 
>>> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
>>> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire 
>>> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.  
>>> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of 
>>> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
>>> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>>>
>>> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a 
>>> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with 
>>> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's 
>>> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's 
>>> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style 
>>> ends.  
>>>
>>> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you 
>>> want is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  
>>> So, I went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm 
>>> pretty excited.  
>>>
>>> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
>>> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
>>> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
>>> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't 
>>> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
>>> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[George Schick]

Crust sure does nice work.  Interesting where they decided to put the break 
- further up the seat stay.  The break on most belt drive bikes that I've 
seen are at the dropout.


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:26:31 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> This is the Flickr Album where I will post all my build photos.  There are 
> a few unboxing shots in there already.  
>
> Single Speed Rando | Flickr 
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:21:23 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>
>> As always, I very much looking forward to this Bill Lindsay build. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
>>> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
>>> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
>>> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
>>> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.  
>>>
>>> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also 
>>> have been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
>>> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
>>> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run 
>>> brakes.  
>>>
>>> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
>>> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released 
>>> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
>>> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire 
>>> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.  
>>> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of 
>>> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
>>> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>>>
>>> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a 
>>> new variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with 
>>> clearance for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's 
>>> belt-compatible and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's 
>>> almost exactly what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style 
>>> ends.  
>>>
>>> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you 
>>> want is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  
>>> So, I went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm 
>>> pretty excited.  
>>>
>>> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
>>> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
>>> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
>>> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't 
>>> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
>>> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Savannah recommendations and more?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I'll second Tybee Island though it was probably as far back as 2004-2006 
when we visited and not an experience viewed from a cyclist perspective at 
the time.  I was still in my mid-20's and had not yet incorporated cycling 
much more than for occasional fair weather leisure on weekends or sporadic 
undergrad commuting in the immediately preceding years.  My wife and I had 
stopped in Savannah for a few days before or after visiting friends in the 
greater ATL area and it was early Oct., if I recall correctly.  Mrs. Wilkes 
was also highly recommended to us at that time but was unfortunately closed 
whichever days we were around.  We did, however, get to do a kayak tour 
with Savannah Canoe and Kayak somewhere off of Tybee Island.  It was just 
the two of us and the guide, who I believe was the owner(British accented 
gentleman whose name I can no longer recall, unfortunately.)  We never saw 
the brick and mortar shop, just arranged it by phone and met somewhere on 
Tybee Island where we'd enjoy the day on the water, seeing the wildlife, 
learning about the area, etc.   I do remember being told about how the 
nearby Little Tybee Island was in fact bigger in size than Tybee Island.  
Maybe we kayaked from Tybee to Little Tybee and back... maybe it was just 
another uninhabited but nearby barrier island.  Either way, it was an 
enjoyable experience and if ever returning I'd certainly plan to visit 
Tybee again.

Brian
Lawrence NJ
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 6:50:45 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here is the TV episode.
>
>
> http://iradavidspedalamerica.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Hi everyone — I'm heading to Savannah for a few days in October. I've 
> never been. We'll be in town for a wedding and pretty busy with wedding 
> stuff but wanted to check in to see if there is good riding or bike shops 
> worth checking out. Haven't yet decided if I'm going to bring a bike but 
> could be swayed. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE GITANE SUPER CORSE frameset

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SOLD

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 8:10:05 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> That appears to be a late sixties, early seventies Gitane frame judging by 
> the seat stays that wrap over the seat lug. In the early seventies they 
> changed to a different style of seat stay cap. Same decals. The decals are 
> reproduced and easily available. It could be a Tour de France or a Super 
> Corsa frame, The only difference was how short they cut the fork steerer 
> tube. Super Corsas always had Campagnolo dropouts, Tour de Frances could 
> have either Simplex or Campagnolo. The forks decals appear to be later 
> versions than the frame decals.
>
> If I didn't already have two Gitane Tour de Frances, I would buy it. Worth 
> every penny of the $300. Many Gitane enthusiasts prefer this earlier frame 
> with that style seat stays. Note that the seat tube and top tube are 
> swapped in the French build of the Reynolds 531 tube set, so it requires 
> larger brake cable clips on the top tube and a smaller front derailleur 
> clamp or shims. Somebody please buy this before I have a weak moment. With 
> the horizontal dropouts, it makes a wonderful single speed or fixie.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 8:27:48 PM UTC-4 Charlie wrote:
>
>> 1995 GITANE SUPER CORSE frameset $300 CASH or POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER
>> NO OTHER MONEY ORDER - I DO NOT HAVE THE PAY PAL THING
>>
>> THE VERY BEST RIDING BIKE ! won the TOUR DE FRANCE multiple times
>>
>> 22 1/2" that is what Gitane calls it
>> Top tube 22" - 56cm
>> stand over 31 3/4"
>>
>> WEINMANN CALIPER BRAKES -NO PICTURES
>>
>> REYNOLDS 531 TUBING in French size - SMALLER THAN USA + ENGLISH MADE 
>> TUBING - 
>> LIGHTWEIGHT STEEL
>>
>> ORIGINALLY HAD ALL CAMPAGNOLA GROUP
>>
>> CAMPY DROPOUTS - FORK ENDS
>>
>> note : stem takes standard road bike size stem (22.2cm)
>>
>> NOTE : STANDARD DROPOUT - TAKES NORMAL REAR DERAILLEUR
>>
>> rear spread to 30 cm (standard road bike size)
>>
>> NEW : seatpost - bottom bracket from VeloORANGE - saddle bolt - rear 
>> dropout screws with springs
>>
>> ORIGINAL PAINT WITH SCRATCHES - NO DENTS 
>>
>> SHIPPING YOUR COST
>>
>> CHARLIE PETRY 
>> JENNERSVILLE PA   [image: DSCF1909.JPG]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

Call in sick!

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:35:37 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> It’s here. Unfortunately I’m in meetings all afternoon :(
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> A Rosco in Ohio? Cool.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Mine has reached IL on its way to OH.
>>
>> UPS says Monday, but maybe Saturday?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 7:56 AM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hope Cyclery posted a Rosco box in their IG Stories. Maybe they’ll show 
>>> us the bike built up?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be nice to hear a ride report from someone who has ridden both 
>>> the lugged Platy and the new Rosco Platy. And, I can't wait to see some 
>>> build photos too!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 2:06:32 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 I got my shipping invoice, so maybe it's coming? I have the parts all 
 set out for it, though I'm still dithering on the handlebar.

 Eric

 On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 12:52 PM Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

> Has anyone gotten and built up a Rosco Platy yet? I’m so excited to 
> see one. Riv said in this week’s newsletter that they have begun 
> shipping. 
> Or maybe folks are picking them up from HQ. Hope so!
> L
>
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Bo on the waiting. I got my custom quicker than this! 
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:47:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Eric, yes, so frustrating. The 2022 Platys were actually supposed to 
>> be here in May, then August, now October. And the Rosco Plats being 
>> delayed 
>> even though they are in the shop is so sad. If I had one on order and 
>> lived 
>> within a 12 hour drive of Walnut Creek, I’d spend Labor Day driving to 
>> get 
>> my bike. 
>>
>> It’s extra sad for those who live in certain parts of the country - 
>> winter is coming. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:30 PM, Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>> They original target for these was May I think. I knew with the 
>> supply chain issues there would be problems and thats why I ultimately 
>> decided to go with a Clem L. A decision I have been very happy with. Not 
>> because the bikes got majorly delayed but because I love my Clem.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> From this week's email:
>>>
>>> Even though the (Roadini) frames are here, we just finished sending 
>>> out the last of the Atlantis framesets and still have Atlantis builds 
>>> in 
>>> the queue. After that we have all the Rosco Platypus frames to either 
>>> build 
>>> up or send out, so please be OK with a long lead time, about *a 
>>> month and a half,* and maybe slightly less for framesets.
>>>
>>> So the RP's won't go until the Atlantis bikes get built? Even the 
>>> frames that are just getting passed on? This is super frustrating.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 8:32 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
  I did confirm with Riv that the post is a 29.8mm.

 Compared to the usual 26.8mm on other Rivs, this does raise the 
 option of adding a dropper post :)

 On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 4:25 PM Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

> I believe (I can't find the spec now, maybe it was in a Riv email) 
> the seatpost on these is 29.8. There's no Funky Monkey big enough. 
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Ok I finally have to ask if there’s a reason one could not use 
>> something like a Paul Funky Monkey rear cable hanger for seatpost? 
>> Or a 
>> similar cheaper device? I understand that it fixes the seat pretty 
>> well in 
>> place but otherwise?
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2022, at 12:37, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> If I were looking to mount cantilevers on a Rosco Platy, I'd use 
>> a small loop of Spectra or Dyneema (high tech rope that's stronger 
>> than 
>> steel and doesn't stretch). Loop it through a cable anger and around 
>> the 
>> seat post stub like this, and you'd have a totally functional & 
>> totally 
>> unique brake setup: 
>>
>> [image: seatpost-line.png]
>> -W
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:13:51 AM UTC-7 allan@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I called and asked about that forward-facing seat clamp because 
>>> I have a NOS set of Dia Compe NGC 982 cantis that I have been 
>>> saving aside 
>>> for a mermaid Platypus bui

[RBW] Re: Green QB and Rock and Roads

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a green 58cm Quickbeam, and my original build used Rene Herse 
Hurricane Ridge knobbies (700x42).  That tire fits in front and is still on 
the bike.  In the back, it only fit when the wheel was towards the back of 
the dropout.  If the wheel is towards the front of the dropout, then it 
rubs.  I use most of the full length of the dropout for gear changes, so I 
need my rear tire to fit EVERYWHERE.  I switched out to a 700x40 with less 
tread.  Moving forward, I may switch to Steilacoom (700x38) or I may try to 
do some chainstay manipulation, but for me the Hurricane Ridge only sorta 
fits.  If I was going to use my Quickbeam as a single gear bike, I'd use a 
chain length that allows it.  As a multi-gear single speed, it's a no-go 
for me.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:16:54 AM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Hi Dave, yes, I’ve run Rock’n’Roads on my 60cm green Quickbeam. I don’t 
> think there was 6mm on each side at the chainstays, though:
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BX60d9mlTUF/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>
> It was pretty fun riding in Annadel with a kickback wheel and those tires!
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif.
>
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Can any green QB owners (I have a 62) confirm that they can fit a Rock n 
>> Road in their frame?  I'm running a 42 Supple Vitesse right now and want to 
>> max out some knobbies.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Artsy Pics of Your Riv's

[Craig Montgomery]

Art is in the eye of the beholder...BEHOLD!...Art: 

[image: Dry Headset.JPG]

Craig "Art who?" in Tucson

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 11:12:28 AM UTC-7 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
>
> I haven't posted here in a while but have enjoyed reading many of the 
> threads.
>
> I'm still enjoying my caliper equipped Sam. 
>
> I thought this pic turned out cool so thought I would share.
>
> Feel free to share whatever Riv pic you want as however they are set up 
> they are rideable works of art.
>
> Paul in Dallas
> .
>

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Re: [RBW] Savannah recommendations and more?

[Eric Marth]

Thank you all for the thoughtful recommendations!

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I'll second Tybee Island though it was probably as far back as 2004-2006 
> when we visited and not an experience viewed from a cyclist perspective at 
> the time.  I was still in my mid-20's and had not yet incorporated cycling 
> much more than for occasional fair weather leisure on weekends or sporadic 
> undergrad commuting in the immediately preceding years.  My wife and I had 
> stopped in Savannah for a few days before or after visiting friends in the 
> greater ATL area and it was early Oct., if I recall correctly.  Mrs. Wilkes 
> was also highly recommended to us at that time but was unfortunately closed 
> whichever days we were around.  We did, however, get to do a kayak tour 
> with Savannah Canoe and Kayak somewhere off of Tybee Island.  It was just 
> the two of us and the guide, who I believe was the owner(British accented 
> gentleman whose name I can no longer recall, unfortunately.)  We never saw 
> the brick and mortar shop, just arranged it by phone and met somewhere on 
> Tybee Island where we'd enjoy the day on the water, seeing the wildlife, 
> learning about the area, etc.   I do remember being told about how the 
> nearby Little Tybee Island was in fact bigger in size than Tybee Island.  
> Maybe we kayaked from Tybee to Little Tybee and back... maybe it was just 
> another uninhabited but nearby barrier island.  Either way, it was an 
> enjoyable experience and if ever returning I'd certainly plan to visit 
> Tybee again.
>
> Brian
> Lawrence NJ
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 6:50:45 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here is the TV episode.
>>
>>
>> http://iradavidspedalamerica.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone — I'm heading to Savannah for a few days in October. I've 
>> never been. We'll be in town for a wedding and pretty busy with wedding 
>> stuff but wanted to check in to see if there is good riding or bike shops 
>> worth checking out. Haven't yet decided if I'm going to bring a bike but 
>> could be swayed. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Handlebars, Acorn Bag, Stem

[Matthew Williams]

Nitto 580 Bosco B353 bars have been sold!

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Re: [RBW] Savannah recommendations and more?

[J]

Eric, I sent you a message on instagram sharing the account of a bike 
acquaintance in Savannah that should have good actual riding suggestions. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:34:31 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you all for the thoughtful recommendations!
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> I'll second Tybee Island though it was probably as far back as 2004-2006 
>> when we visited and not an experience viewed from a cyclist perspective at 
>> the time.  I was still in my mid-20's and had not yet incorporated cycling 
>> much more than for occasional fair weather leisure on weekends or sporadic 
>> undergrad commuting in the immediately preceding years.  My wife and I had 
>> stopped in Savannah for a few days before or after visiting friends in the 
>> greater ATL area and it was early Oct., if I recall correctly.  Mrs. Wilkes 
>> was also highly recommended to us at that time but was unfortunately closed 
>> whichever days we were around.  We did, however, get to do a kayak tour 
>> with Savannah Canoe and Kayak somewhere off of Tybee Island.  It was just 
>> the two of us and the guide, who I believe was the owner(British accented 
>> gentleman whose name I can no longer recall, unfortunately.)  We never saw 
>> the brick and mortar shop, just arranged it by phone and met somewhere on 
>> Tybee Island where we'd enjoy the day on the water, seeing the wildlife, 
>> learning about the area, etc.   I do remember being told about how the 
>> nearby Little Tybee Island was in fact bigger in size than Tybee Island.  
>> Maybe we kayaked from Tybee to Little Tybee and back... maybe it was just 
>> another uninhabited but nearby barrier island.  Either way, it was an 
>> enjoyable experience and if ever returning I'd certainly plan to visit 
>> Tybee again.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lawrence NJ
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 6:50:45 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the TV episode.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://iradavidspedalamerica.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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>>>
>>> Hi everyone — I'm heading to Savannah for a few days in October. I've 
>>> never been. We'll be in town for a wedding and pretty busy with wedding 
>>> stuff but wanted to check in to see if there is good riding or bike shops 
>>> worth checking out. Haven't yet decided if I'm going to bring a bike but 
>>> could be swayed. 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
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[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Joe Bernard]

"Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"

Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the DirtDrop 
was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped when the 
FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get em while 
they got em! 
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out for 
> you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
>> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change if 
>> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
>> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even longer 
>> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks James! 
>>>
>>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were both 
>>> in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented with 
>>> v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it was 
>>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model (one 
>>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, just 
>>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is beefier 
>>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to Mark 
>>> Nobilette. 
>>>
>>> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>>
 Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how do 
 you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big welds vs 
 lugs?  

 On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Very very nice Joe!
>
> It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
> rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all 
> that.
>
> Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just roll 
> their eyes when I start talking bikes.
>
> It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then share 
> with folks that understand.
>  
> A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you folks 
> bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or enhance my own 
> bikes.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 

Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 

So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 

Ben

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
> appearance
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>
>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>
>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>
>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>> configurations.
>>
>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
>> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>
>> Let's chat!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Joe Bernard]

It all depends on how much reaching you can live with. DT is simpler, more 
direct and IMHO looks great, but I got no patience for reaching to the 
downtube to shift. Bar shifting for me!*

*This also depends on how often you shift. I have physical issues that 
require me to shift a lot in my hilly area to keep a good spin going, I 
could probably live with DT if I rode my bike more like a singlespeed that 
occasionally needs a different speed. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 2:57:24 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>
> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>
> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
>> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
>> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
>> appearance
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>>
>>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>>
>>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>>
>>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>>
>>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>>> configurations.
>>>
>>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if 
>>> I should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>>
>>> Let's chat!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Richard Rose]

I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
post so here goes.
A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his adult 
daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am trying 
to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal with 
it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals to 
you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
share. Here are the bikes.
1975 California Masi (sold)
1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. Date 
unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by Peter. 
Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some carbon) and 
shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
insurance was $185.00.
Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not try 
to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single pic 
of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
good.
Thanks for your consideration.

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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Richard Rose]

Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For instance; 
the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy to double 
check anything.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
> post so here goes.
> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his adult 
> daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am trying to 
> help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal with it. I 
> will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals to you lets 
> chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to share. Here are 
> the bikes.
> 1975 California Masi (sold)
> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. Date 
> unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by Peter. 
> Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some carbon) and 
> shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by local 
> bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in California, 
> from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra insurance was $185.00.
> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not try to 
> post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single pic of a 
> geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly smaller at 
> 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really good.
> Thanks for your consideration.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Richard Rose]

I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. Shifting 
is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise feeling.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
> 
> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
> 
> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. However, 
> I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and I've always 
> been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I gently removed my 
> rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and tied it down to my 
> rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss an ran the a new rear 
> cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the direct cable run gives 
> me the smoothest performance yet. 
> 
> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try mounting 
> the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
> 
> Ben
> 
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
>> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can just 
>> leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
>> appearance
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>> 
>>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>> 
>>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>> 
>>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had previously 
>>> used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I have a 
>>> front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were always 
>>> getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>> 
>>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>>> configurations.
>>> 
>>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
>>> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>> 
>>> Let's chat!
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Johnny Burrell]

I've been trolling through old Riv Reader's, some fun reading I remember 
doing a long time ago when those were new. Thanks for sharing and archiving!

Question though, and it's probably an easy one. I own a Hunqapillar and 
love it. When was the Hunq offered? What years and how many years? Any idea 
how many frames were sold? 

On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 7:28:27 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone. Small update: Reed added the Hunqapillar brochure to the 
> archive. 
>
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:59:16 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> Great to see this again, Eric. I *might* have a copy...somewhere. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
>>> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>>>
>>> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
>>> site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>>>
>>> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>>
>>> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
>>> anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>>>
>>>
>>>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>>>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>>>- Frame brochures
>>>   - 1995 frames mailer
>>>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>>>   - Rambouillet
>>>   - Romulus
>>>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>>>   - An early frame paint chart
>>>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>>>- Flyers
>>>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>>>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>>>- Ads
>>>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>>>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Richard, 

The Seven is probably an incorrect seattube size, those usually (always?) 
came with a steeply sloped toptube, so 58cm ETT is probably closer to a 
52-53cm actual ST. Also it's titanium, I owned one for a while that was too 
small but hoo boy was that a nice ride! 

Joe Bernard aka @rideymcbiker on IG

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For 
> instance; the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy 
> to double check anything.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
> post so here goes.
>
> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his adult 
> daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am trying 
> to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal with 
> it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals to 
> you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
> share. Here are the bikes.
> 1975 California Masi (sold)
> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. 
> Date unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by 
> Peter. Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some 
> carbon) and shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
> local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
> California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
> insurance was $185.00.
> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not try 
> to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single pic 
> of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
> smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
> good.
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Joe Bernard]

Mm, correction, I should have Googled first instead of relying on memory. I 
see non-steep-toptube Axioms out there. Never mind! 🙋‍♂️

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:08:42 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Richard, 
>
> The Seven is probably an incorrect seattube size, those usually (always?) 
> came with a steeply sloped toptube, so 58cm ETT is probably closer to a 
> 52-53cm actual ST. Also it's titanium, I owned one for a while that was too 
> small but hoo boy was that a nice ride! 
>
> Joe Bernard aka @rideymcbiker on IG
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For 
>> instance; the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy 
>> to double check anything.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
>> post so here goes.
>>
>> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his 
>> adult daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am 
>> trying to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal 
>> with it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals 
>> to you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
>> share. Here are the bikes.
>> 1975 California Masi (sold)
>> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
>> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
>> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
>> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
>> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
>> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
>> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. 
>> Date unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by 
>> Peter. Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some 
>> carbon) and shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
>> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
>> local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
>> California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
>> insurance was $185.00.
>> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not 
>> try to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single 
>> pic of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
>> smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
>> good.
>> Thanks for your consideration.
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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Ryan]

Wow! That's quite a stable and the prices are certainly reasonable...may 
even be undervalued. 

I think the 2001 Seven Axiom is actually titanium

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:47:22 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For 
> instance; the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy 
> to double check anything.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
> post so here goes.
>
> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his adult 
> daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am trying 
> to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal with 
> it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals to 
> you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
> share. Here are the bikes.
> 1975 California Masi (sold)
> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. 
> Date unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by 
> Peter. Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some 
> carbon) and shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
> local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
> California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
> insurance was $185.00.
> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not try 
> to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single pic 
> of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
> smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
> good.
> Thanks for your consideration.
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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Joe Bernard]

Oh for Pete's sake it's steel, too. Ok my memory of what Seven Cycles was 
22 years ago is completely useless and I shouldn't be posting on Mondays. 
Clearly! 🤦

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:14:50 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This one is not sloped. It does have a long top tube.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Hi Richard, 
>
>
> The Seven is probably an incorrect seattube size, those usually (always?) 
> came with a steeply sloped toptube, so 58cm ETT is probably closer to a 
> 52-53cm actual ST. Also it's titanium, I owned one for a while that was too 
> small but hoo boy was that a nice ride! 
>
> Joe Bernard aka @rideymcbiker on IG
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For 
>> instance; the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy 
>> to double check anything.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
>> post so here goes.
>>
>> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his 
>> adult daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am 
>> trying to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal 
>> with it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals 
>> to you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
>> share. Here are the bikes.
>> 1975 California Masi (sold)
>> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
>> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
>> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
>> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
>> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
>> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
>> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. 
>> Date unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by 
>> Peter. Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some 
>> carbon) and shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
>> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
>> local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
>> California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
>> insurance was $185.00.
>> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not 
>> try to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single 
>> pic of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
>> smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
>> good.
>> Thanks for your consideration.
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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Eric Marth]

Quite the list! Can we see a picture of the Weigle, please?

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 7:21:08 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake it's steel, too. Ok my memory of what Seven Cycles was 
> 22 years ago is completely useless and I shouldn't be posting on Mondays. 
> Clearly! 🤦
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:14:50 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This one is not sloped. It does have a long top tube.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 7:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard, 
>>
>>
>> The Seven is probably an incorrect seattube size, those usually (always?) 
>> came with a steeply sloped toptube, so 58cm ETT is probably closer to a 
>> 52-53cm actual ST. Also it's titanium, I owned one for a while that was too 
>> small but hoo boy was that a nice ride! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard aka @rideymcbiker on IG
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Note: not certain of the exact accuracy of the dimensions given. For 
>>> instance; the Weigle is 55.5 square, center to center by my measure. Happy 
>>> to double check anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for 
>>> sale post so here goes.
>>>
>>> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his 
>>> adult daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am 
>>> trying to help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal 
>>> with it. I will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals 
>>> to you lets chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to 
>>> share. Here are the bikes.
>>> 1975 California Masi (sold)
>>> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
>>> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
>>> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group 
>>> and shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
>>> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts 
>>> (10 speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
>>> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. 
>>> Date unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by 
>>> Peter. Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some 
>>> carbon) and shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
>>> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by 
>>> local bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in 
>>> California, from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra 
>>> insurance was $185.00.
>>> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not 
>>> try to post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single 
>>> pic of a geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly 
>>> smaller at 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really 
>>> good.
>>> Thanks for your consideration.
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Re: [RBW] Savannah recommendations and more?

[Eric Marth]

Awesome, thank you!

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:10:42 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> Eric, I sent you a message on instagram sharing the account of a bike 
> acquaintance in Savannah that should have good actual riding suggestions. 
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:34:31 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the thoughtful recommendations!
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> I'll second Tybee Island though it was probably as far back as 2004-2006 
>>> when we visited and not an experience viewed from a cyclist perspective at 
>>> the time.  I was still in my mid-20's and had not yet incorporated cycling 
>>> much more than for occasional fair weather leisure on weekends or sporadic 
>>> undergrad commuting in the immediately preceding years.  My wife and I had 
>>> stopped in Savannah for a few days before or after visiting friends in the 
>>> greater ATL area and it was early Oct., if I recall correctly.  Mrs. Wilkes 
>>> was also highly recommended to us at that time but was unfortunately closed 
>>> whichever days we were around.  We did, however, get to do a kayak tour 
>>> with Savannah Canoe and Kayak somewhere off of Tybee Island.  It was just 
>>> the two of us and the guide, who I believe was the owner(British accented 
>>> gentleman whose name I can no longer recall, unfortunately.)  We never saw 
>>> the brick and mortar shop, just arranged it by phone and met somewhere on 
>>> Tybee Island where we'd enjoy the day on the water, seeing the wildlife, 
>>> learning about the area, etc.   I do remember being told about how the 
>>> nearby Little Tybee Island was in fact bigger in size than Tybee Island.  
>>> Maybe we kayaked from Tybee to Little Tybee and back... maybe it was just 
>>> another uninhabited but nearby barrier island.  Either way, it was an 
>>> enjoyable experience and if ever returning I'd certainly plan to visit 
>>> Tybee again.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Lawrence NJ
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 6:50:45 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here is the TV episode.


 http://iradavidspedalamerica.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=85


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Hi everyone — I'm heading to Savannah for a few days in October. I've 
 never been. We'll be in town for a wedding and pretty busy with wedding 
 stuff but wanted to check in to see if there is good riding or bike shops 
 worth checking out. Haven't yet decided if I'm going to bring a bike but 
 could be swayed. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nifty brake hanger solution! What brakes? They kinda remind me of 
Bruce Gordon and a couple others from the '90s whose names escape me now. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:31:33 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I couldn’t call in sick, but the build went smoothly and I was able to 
> take a quick shake down ride this evening. Still to do are all of the 
> accessories: lights, fenders, kickstand, bag, etc. Those will probably take 
> as long as the build. 
>
> I was able to use canti brakes with a hanger fastened between the rear 
> rack mounts. Works fine!
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Call in sick!
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 9:35:37 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
> It’s here. Unfortunately I’m in meetings all afternoon :(
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 A Rosco in Ohio? Cool.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

 
 Mine has reached IL on its way to OH.

 UPS says Monday, but maybe Saturday?

 Eric

 On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 7:56 AM Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

 Hope Cyclery posted a Rosco box in their IG Stories. Maybe they’ll show 
> us the bike built up?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> It would be nice to hear a ride report from someone who has ridden 
> both the lugged Platy and the new Rosco Platy. And, I can't wait to see 
> some build photos too!
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 2:06:32 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I got my shipping invoice, so maybe it's coming? I have the parts all 
>> set out for it, though I'm still dithering on the handlebar.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 12:52 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone gotten and built up a Rosco Platy yet? I’m so excited to 
>>> see one. Riv said in this week’s newsletter that they have begun 
>>> shipping. 
>>> Or maybe folks are picking them up from HQ. Hope so!
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Bo on the waiting. I got my custom quicker than this! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:47:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle 
>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Eric, yes, so frustrating. The 2022 Platys were actually supposed 
 to be here in May, then August, now October. And the Rosco Plats being 
 delayed even though they are in the shop is so sad. If I had one on 
 order 
 and lived within a 12 hour drive of Walnut Creek, I’d spend Labor Day 
 driving to get my bike. 

 It’s extra sad for those who live in certain parts of the country - 
 winter is coming. 

 Leah

 On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:30 PM, Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

 They original target for these was May I think. I knew with the 
 supply chain issues there would be problems and thats why I ultimately 
 decided to go with a Clem L. A decision I have been very happy with. 
 Not 
 because the bikes got majorly delayed but because I love my Clem.



 On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> From this week's email:
>
> Even though the (Roadini) frames are here, we just finished 
> sending out the last of the Atlantis framesets and still have 
> Atlantis 
> builds in the queue. After that we have all the Rosco Platypus frames 
> to 
> either build up or send out, so please be OK with a long lead time, 
> about *a 
> month and a half,* and maybe slightly less for framesets.
>
> So the RP's won't go until the Atlantis bikes get built? Even the 
> frames that are just getting passed on? This is super frustrating.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 8:32 PM Eric Daume  
> wrote:
>
>>  I did confirm with Riv that the post is a 29.8mm.
>>
>> Compared to the usual 26.8mm on other Rivs, this does raise the 
>> option of adding a dropper post :)
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 4:25 PM Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe (I can't find the spec now, maybe it was in a Riv 
>>> email) the seatpost on these is 29.8. There's no Funky Monkey big 
>>> enough. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Ok I finally have to ask if there’s a reason one could not use 
 something like a Paul Funky Monkey rear cable hanger for seatpost? 
 Or a 
 similar cheaper device? I understand that it fixes the seat pretty 
>>

[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Eric Marth]

I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And yes, 
incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of rise 
for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards the 
rider. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"
>
> Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the DirtDrop 
> was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped when the 
> FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get em while 
> they got em! 
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out for 
>> you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
>>> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change if 
>>> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
>>> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even longer 
>>> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Thanks James! 

 I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were both 
 in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented with 
 v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it was 
 built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
 (one 
 big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
 toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
 just 
 lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
 beefier 
 and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to Mark 
 Nobilette. 

 As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 

 On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:

> Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how do 
> you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big welds 
> vs 
> lugs?  
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> Very very nice Joe!
>>
>> It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
>> rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all 
>> that.
>>
>> Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just roll 
>> their eyes when I start talking bikes.
>>
>> It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then 
>> share with folks that understand.
>>  
>> A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you folks 
>> bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or enhance my own 
>> bikes.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>> (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
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[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Joe Bernard]

Which reminds me I need my stem caddy back. I either sold it recently or 
lost it in the move and boy do I miss that thing. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:36:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And yes, 
> incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of rise 
> for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards the 
> rider. 
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"
>>
>> Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the 
>> DirtDrop was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped 
>> when the FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get em 
>> while they got em! 
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out for 
>>> you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
 Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change if 
 I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
 amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even longer 
 and my bike is already HUGE!  

 On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Thanks James! 
>
> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were 
> both in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented 
> with v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it 
> was 
> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
> (one 
> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
> just 
> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
> beefier 
> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to Mark 
> Nobilette. 
>
> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how do 
>> you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big welds 
>> vs 
>> lugs?  
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very very nice Joe!
>>>
>>> It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
>>> rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all 
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just 
>>> roll their eyes when I start talking bikes.
>>>
>>> It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then 
>>> share with folks that understand.
>>>  
>>> A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you folks 
>>> bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or enhance my own 
>>> bikes.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>> (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Valerie Yates]

Looks great! Very functional and comfortable. Maybe you will keep this one 
a while? 

Re your WTB, I have a set of brown Brooks roll-up panniers that I purchased 
from someone in this group some years ago. I used them for groceries and 
other shopping. Handy because they could be discreetly rolled up when not 
in use. But they didn’t work great with the top rack on my grocery bike so 
I moved on to metal basket style panniers. I can dig them up and take a 
picture. Happy to sell for $50, including shipping. Here’s a link with pics 
in black (mine are brown). 
 https://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Brick-Roll-Up-Bicycle-Panniers/dp/B01MAVTVRQ

Val in Boulder CO






On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Which reminds me I need my stem caddy back. I either sold it recently or 
> lost it in the move and boy do I miss that thing. 
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:36:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And yes, 
>> incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of rise 
>> for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards the 
>> rider. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"
>>>
>>> Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the 
>>> DirtDrop was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped 
>>> when the FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get em 
>>> while they got em! 
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out for 
 you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 

 On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change 
> if 
> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even 
> longer 
> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Thanks James! 
>>
>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were 
>> both in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented 
>> with v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it 
>> was 
>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
>> (one 
>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
>> just 
>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
>> beefier 
>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to 
>> Mark 
>> Nobilette. 
>>
>> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how do 
>>> you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big welds 
>>> vs 
>>> lugs?  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Very very nice Joe!

 It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
 rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all 
 that.

 Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just 
 roll their eyes when I start talking bikes.

 It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then 
 share with folks that understand.
  
 A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you folks 
 bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or enhance my 
 own 
 bikes.

 Paul in Dallas 
 (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)





 .

>>>

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[RBW] WTB: RH Oracle Ridge endurance (700x48mm) tires

[Jay P]

Hello 

I'd love to buy a pair of good-ish condition Oracle Ridge endurance tires 
for my old Atlantis that I increasingly ride mostly on trails.

Please let me know if you might have some you'd like to part with !

Thank you -

Jay P.
Reno / Marin

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Re: [RBW] FS, non Rivendell but fine steel steeds

[Richard Rose]

Folks! If you want to message me on Facebook I can respond easily with lots of 
pics. Richard M Rose.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> I thought this might be frowned on but I saw the vintage Gitane for sale 
> post so here goes.
> A riding buddy of mine passed away almost two years ago and left his adult 
> daughters with his stable of bikes to sell. I have the bikes and am trying to 
> help them out as they are not local and just are not able to deal with it. I 
> will simply list the bikes here with sizes. If anything appeals to you lets 
> chat. I have a lot of pics & some historical perspectives to share. Here are 
> the bikes.
> 1975 California Masi (sold)
> 1984 Eddy Merckx Professional, lugged steel and fully pantographed 
> Campagnolo. $1,500.00. Beautiful restoration by Peter Weigle.
> 2000 Custom Seven Axiom, tigged steel, full Campagnolo 10 speed group and 
> shop built wheels. $2,500.00. Spotless, like new condition.
> 2015(?) Custom Mark Nobillette fillet brazed with mixed Shimano parts (10 
> speed) and shop built wheels. Barely ridden bicycle.
> And finally, a bike I am hesitant to mention because I want it so bad. Date 
> unknown J.P. Weigle custom, perfect and repainted at some point by Peter. 
> Gorgeous lugs and paint.  Full Campagnolo Record 10 speed (some carbon) and 
> shop built wheels with White Industries hubs. $3,500.00.
> All prices are suggested and negotiable. Packing is $100.00 per bike by local 
> bike shop. They did a great job on the Masi. It arrived safely in California, 
> from Toledo, Ohio. Shipping via Bikeflights with extra insurance was $185.00.
> Please do contact me off list if any of these interest you. I will not try to 
> post all of the pics here. I will follow this post up with a single pic of a 
> geometry chart. Most are 57-58 size range, the Weigle is slightly smaller at 
> 55.5 square c/c. I have ridden each bike and they are really good.
> Thanks for your consideration.
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[RBW] Re: It's my custom

[Joe Bernard]

Haha, you wouldn't believe how often I'm asked if I'm going to keep this 
one a while. Have I bought and sold a lot of bikes?? 🤣 Yes, this one stays 
til I'm too old and creaky to pedal it, it's custom just for me! 🙂

Sure, I'll take a look at those bags. I'm not sure if brown will work for 
me but they sure are nice. Let's see! 

joeremi62 gmail com
text 415 786 4623


On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:11:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Looks great! Very functional and comfortable. Maybe you will keep this one 
> a while? 
>
> Re your WTB, I have a set of brown Brooks roll-up panniers that I 
> purchased from someone in this group some years ago. I used them for 
> groceries and other shopping. Handy because they could be discreetly 
> rolled up when not in use. But they didn’t work great with the top rack on 
> my grocery bike so I moved on to metal basket style panniers. I can dig 
> them up and take a picture. Happy to sell for $50, including shipping. 
> Here’s a link with pics in black (mine are brown).  
> https://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Brick-Roll-Up-Bicycle-Panniers/dp/B01MAVTVRQ
>
> Val in Boulder CO
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Which reminds me I need my stem caddy back. I either sold it recently or 
>> lost it in the move and boy do I miss that thing. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:36:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an 11cm, tempted to get a 13.5 but boy are they spendy. And 
>>> yes, incredibly nice. I will also add that they offer a perfect amount of 
>>> rise for a stem caddy which pitches the top of the bag favorably towards 
>>> the rider. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:17:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock?"

 Yes indeed. I'd been thinking for a while that the reach with the 
 DirtDrop was a tad short and possibly causing my hand numbness so I jumped 
 when the FacePlaters were restocked. They're pretty and pretty rare, get 
 em 
 while they got em! 
 On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:59:37 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Looks great as always, Joe. Let us know how the stem swap works out 
> for you. Did you nab one of the face-platers from the restock? 
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh, a big difference cuz I think my 54.2 frame correlates to the 55 
>> Rosco/Platys is they use 700c, I have 650b. That's the thing I'd change 
>> if 
>> I was designing my bike now, I think those big hoops on the Platy look 
>> amazing and I kinda wish I had them. Although it would make it even 
>> longer 
>> and my bike is already HUGE!  
>>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:27:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks James! 
>>>
>>> I think I can compare my custom to the original Platy as they were 
>>> both in the design process at the same time. They're both road-oriented 
>>> with v-brakes, I suspect the Platy is a little heavier-tubed because it 
>>> was 
>>> built to some imagined rider/stuff weight limit for a production model 
>>> (one 
>>> big benefit of custom). The geometry looks similar to me. The Platypus 
>>> toptube is a bit lower, mine wasn't geared so much to be a true mixte, 
>>> just 
>>> lower than a diamond frame. I use a road fork, I think the Platy is 
>>> beefier 
>>> and has more tire clearance. Attached is the geo chart Grant sent to 
>>> Mark 
>>> Nobilette. 
>>>
>>> As for the Rosco version I'm afraid I just don't know. Sorry! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:01:50 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>>
 Sweet bike Joe.  Great color and design choice.  I'm curious, how 
 do you think this bike differs from the Rosco Platty, aside from big 
 welds 
 vs lugs?  

 On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas 
 wrote:

> Very very nice Joe!
>
> It's great to have a forum to share pics of our bikes, our 
> rides/adventures on them, upgrades to them and all that goes with all 
> that.
>
> Like minded people get it but most of my family and friends just 
> roll their eyes when I start talking bikes.
>
> It's part of the joy of it for me to stop and take pics and then 
> share with folks that understand.
>  
> A cool upgrade, added accessories or other changes on all you 
> folks bikes are fun to see and it gives me ideas to improve or 
> enhance my 
> own bikes.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> (With a crowded garage of 7 bikes last count)
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>


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[RBW] Re: Green QB and Rock and Roads

[Philip Williamson]

Ah, yes, Bill is correct. I had the gear changing in the hub when I ran the 
Rock’n’Roads, and the axle was back in the slot. Current setup is two rings 
and a double cog with fenders and 37mm tires for two fixed gears with 
minimal axle movement. 

I think I posted the last response from my phone, which is like writing 
with an Etch-a-sketch in the Google Groups current “quiet firing” of this 
service.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 11:53:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have a green 58cm Quickbeam, and my original build used Rene Herse 
> Hurricane Ridge knobbies (700x42).  That tire fits in front and is still on 
> the bike.  In the back, it only fit when the wheel was towards the back of 
> the dropout.  If the wheel is towards the front of the dropout, then it 
> rubs.  I use most of the full length of the dropout for gear changes, so I 
> need my rear tire to fit EVERYWHERE.  I switched out to a 700x40 with less 
> tread.  Moving forward, I may switch to Steilacoom (700x38) or I may try to 
> do some chainstay manipulation, but for me the Hurricane Ridge only sorta 
> fits.  If I was going to use my Quickbeam as a single gear bike, I'd use a 
> chain length that allows it.  As a multi-gear single speed, it's a no-go 
> for me.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:16:54 AM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave, yes, I’ve run Rock’n’Roads on my 60cm green Quickbeam. I don’t 
>> think there was 6mm on each side at the chainstays, though:
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BX60d9mlTUF/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>>
>> It was pretty fun riding in Annadel with a kickback wheel and those tires!
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Can any green QB owners (I have a 62) confirm that they can fit a Rock n 
>>> Road in their frame?  I'm running a 42 Supple Vitesse right now and want to 
>>> max out some knobbies.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do Roadinis ride tall?

[Philip Williamson]

Without arguing against BB drop affecting handling and the perception of 
handling, I can’t see how stack can make a bike feel or ride “tall,” IF the 
bars are level with the saddle. I think the shorter reach makes you sit up, 
raising your head and giving you a narrower base (ass to grips) which I 
think might degrade balance on the bike. I’m much less “in” the bike on a 
smaller bike, even with the saddle and grips up. Jim Bronson also says his 
“tall” bike gives him a much more upright posture.

The reason I think reach drives the “tall” feeling more than stack: In my 
mind’s eye I can put my hands on the bars, and the bike can grow or shrink 
vertically and the stem and seatpost can make up the difference. My 
position on the bike stays the same. If, however, I shrink the top tube, my 
hands move back towards my hips and my head and CG move up. 

I like to measure my bikes saddle-center to grip-center, rather than 
saddle-tip to steerer-center.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>> I don't think a rider can meaningfully feel a 5mm difference in BB drop.  
>> I think what you are feeling is likely Stack related.  A 54cm Roadini is a 
>> bigger bike than a 56cm RB1.  Is your stem slammed?  Slam that stem! :)
>> If you want to split the difference, ride your Roadini for now, and get a 
>> deposit in on a Nobilette Roadeo.  Sell the Roadini when it arrives, and 
>> off you go.  I'm not sure if you'd prefer a 57 Roadeo, or maybe a 55?  
>>
>>>

> I went and measured the stack and reach on both bikes. Turns out my 
> touring bike actually has a higher stack (71.8cm measured from BB to 
> handlebar hood) and reach (45cm measured from BB to handlebar stem center), 
> while the Roadini had 68.58cm and 41.91cm on both of those measurements. 
> What is significant is that the BB height on the touring bike is 10.5" 
> while the BB height on the Roadini is 11", which is a 1.3cm difference. I 
> guess I can definitely feel a 13mm difference in center of gravity shift, 
> 5mm of which is accounted for by the BB drop difference, and then other 8mm 
> is accounted for by the bigger tires (which is strange since the difference 
> between tires is basically going from 25mm to 30mm tires, but 3mm 
> difference might be within the margin of error)
>

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