date:20221019

Those are beautiful beautiful seatposts! I picked up the single bolt Nitto 
while waiting for my frame. The 2 bolt was impossible to find back then, 
like so many things. So far no issues with the single bolt other than much 
tougher to make small adjustments. 

Sorry for the thread derail. I still can’t say get one over the Clem, but I 
really do love this bike!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread Brian Turner

I also sympathize with the seatpost situation on most of the current Rivs. I had this gorgeous Paul TnH polished seatpost just languishing in my parts bin for the perfect bike - which I kinda thought might be my Gus… so image my dismay upon realizing it has (insert sad trombone) 26-point-freakin-8. Bummer. Good thing is, I sold it to fund a nice new Nitto 2-bolt seatpost, which was perfectly suitable.On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:55 PM, Ryan Frahm wrote:I meant to say earlier that I do agree with you on the seatpost size Jason. I never plan to use a dropper but I’d have loved to use my Eriksen Sweetpost! That and some custom form of titanium tosco ish bars from Doom would make me even happier with my Susie. Everything is nicer with a touch of titanium!On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:Regarding my earlier comment - I know, and fully respect, that Grant plans to never make a disc brake bike. Which is fine - sure, it limits their function in certain scenarios, but I do really appreciate brands that are willing to do what they want rather than follow market trends. It's what makes Rene Herse, Jones, and others also worth cherishing even if you don't necessarily feel the same way. And I absolutely think that rim brakes are just as good, if not better, than disc brakes for the majority of riding that people do. I think Hillibikes should be v-brake. If I want discs, I know where else to look. It's great to have a V-brake option on the market! It's more the seatpost size that really bugs me. I know it's a product of the available seat clamp lug. Hopefully they will go 27.2 in the future - then you can run a thudbuster, a dropper, or a regular seatpost. The brake thing is a stylistic choice I respect, but the seatpost size is just unfortunate. On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 19:15:09 UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for the information.On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:22 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:Kim, that’s from 2021 — One year agoOn Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:I know the deadline has come and passed. It does not indicate as to whether or not if this for the Clem Smith Jr. "H" or the "L" version. However, for information reasons:https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/clem-lotto-tickets-on-sale-til-friday-the-15th?_pos=1&_sid=934df0537&_ss=rKim HetzelYelm, WA.On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up a Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always looked for the “one” bike to do it all. On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:VERY interesting! Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel wrote:I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a question about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6. Other than that - they are similar!"Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention of them for a while. I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube angle and fork rake. My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the way the Susie rides. My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily routes. Only 2 days so far

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

I meant to say earlier that I do agree with you on the seatpost size Jason. 
I never plan to use a dropper but I’d have loved to use my Eriksen 
Sweetpost! That and some custom form of titanium tosco ish bars from Doom 
would make me even happier with my Susie. Everything is nicer with a touch 
of titanium!

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Regarding my earlier comment - I know, and fully respect, that Grant plans 
> to never make a disc brake bike. Which is fine - sure, it limits their 
> function in certain scenarios, but I do really appreciate brands that are 
> willing to do what they want rather than follow market trends. It's what 
> makes Rene Herse, Jones, and others also worth cherishing even if you don't 
> necessarily feel the same way.  And I absolutely think that rim brakes are 
> just as good, if not better, than disc brakes for the majority of riding 
> that people do. 
>
> I think Hillibikes should be v-brake. If I want discs, I know where else 
> to look. It's great to have a V-brake option on the market! 
>
> It's more the seatpost size that really bugs me. I know it's a product of 
> the available seat clamp lug. Hopefully they will go 27.2 in the future - 
> then you can run a thudbuster, a dropper, or a regular seatpost. The brake 
> thing is a stylistic choice I respect, but the seatpost size is just 
> unfortunate.  
>
> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 19:15:09 UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:22 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kim, that’s from 2021 — One year ago
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know the deadline has come and passed. It does not indicate as to 
 whether or not if this for the Clem Smith Jr. "H" or the "L" version. 
 However, for information reasons:


 https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/clem-lotto-tickets-on-sale-til-friday-the-15th?_pos=1&_sid=934df0537&_ss=r

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA.


 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up 
> a Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always 
> looked for the “one” bike to do it all. 
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> VERY interesting! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully 
>> appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. 
>>
>> Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a 
>> question about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.
>>
>> He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet 
>> brazed (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The 
>> Susie also fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; 
>> Susie 
>> fit a 2.6. Other than that - they are similar!"
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as 
>>> my mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in 
>>> quite a 
>>> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It 
>>> was 
>>> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t 
>>> show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no 
>>> mention 
>>> of them for a while. 
>>>
>>> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. 
>>> I love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem 
>>> L 
>>> seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head 
>>> tube 
>>> angle and fork rake. 
>>>
>>> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I 
>>> don’t think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part 
>>> of 
>>> it. The extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the 
>>> chunky 
>>> stuff as well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring 
>>> forward 
>>> when I get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and 
>>> it is 
>>> perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as 
>>> can 
>>> be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love 
>>> the 
>>> way the Susie rides. 
>>>
>>> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not 
>>> a fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread Jason Fuller

Regarding my earlier comment - I know, and fully respect, that Grant plans 
to never make a disc brake bike. Which is fine - sure, it limits their 
function in certain scenarios, but I do really appreciate brands that are 
willing to do what they want rather than follow market trends. It's what 
makes Rene Herse, Jones, and others also worth cherishing even if you don't 
necessarily feel the same way.  And I absolutely think that rim brakes are 
just as good, if not better, than disc brakes for the majority of riding 
that people do. 

I think Hillibikes should be v-brake. If I want discs, I know where else to 
look. It's great to have a V-brake option on the market! 

It's more the seatpost size that really bugs me. I know it's a product of 
the available seat clamp lug. Hopefully they will go 27.2 in the future - 
then you can run a thudbuster, a dropper, or a regular seatpost. The brake 
thing is a stylistic choice I respect, but the seatpost size is just 
unfortunate.  

On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 19:15:09 UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the information.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:22 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Kim, that’s from 2021 — One year ago
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know the deadline has come and passed. It does not indicate as to 
>>> whether or not if this for the Clem Smith Jr. "H" or the "L" version. 
>>> However, for information reasons:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/clem-lotto-tickets-on-sale-til-friday-the-15th?_pos=1&_sid=934df0537&_ss=r
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up a 
 Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always looked 
 for the “one” bike to do it all. 
 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> VERY interesting! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully 
> appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. 
>
> Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a 
> question about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.
>
> He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet 
> brazed (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The 
> Susie also fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; 
> Susie 
> fit a 2.6. Other than that - they are similar!"
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as 
>> my mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in 
>> quite a 
>> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
>> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t 
>> show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no 
>> mention 
>> of them for a while. 
>>
>> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. 
>> I love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L 
>> seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube 
>> angle and fork rake. 
>>
>> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I 
>> don’t think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part 
>> of 
>> it. The extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the 
>> chunky 
>> stuff as well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring 
>> forward 
>> when I get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it 
>> is 
>> perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can 
>> be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love 
>> the 
>> way the Susie rides. 
>>
>> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not 
>> a fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my 
>> Clem 
>> not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week 
>> I 
>> am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling 
>> like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily 
>> routes. Only 2 days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 
>>
>> You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding 
>> is still a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

Thank you for the information.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:22 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Kim, that’s from 2021 — One year ago
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I know the deadline has come and passed. It does not indicate as to
>> whether or not if this for the Clem Smith Jr. "H" or the "L" version.
>> However, for information reasons:
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/clem-lotto-tickets-on-sale-til-friday-the-15th?_pos=1&_sid=934df0537&_ss=r
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up a
>>> Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always looked
>>> for the “one” bike to do it all.
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 VERY interesting!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:

 

 I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully
 appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable.

 Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a
 question about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.

 He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed
 (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also
 fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6.
 Other than that - they are similar!"

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA.



 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as
> my mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite 
> a
> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was
> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t
> show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention
> of them for a while.
>
> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I
> love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L
> seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube
> angle and fork rake.
>
> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t
> think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. 
> The
> extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as
> well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I
> get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is
> perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can
> be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love 
> the
> way the Susie rides.
>
> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a
> fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem
> not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I
> am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling
> like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily
> routes. Only 2 days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week.
>
> You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is
> still a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would
> definitely recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in
> theory, but I think they (the completes at least) are wastefully 
> overbuilt.
> It was several lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been
> while riding a bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and
> is a better ride in all ways.
>
> Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly
> recommend the Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think 
> if
> you have your Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for 
> trails
> there isn’t too much of an overlap to justify one.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the
>> updates about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a
>> Susie and a Clem L?
>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most
>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
>> the
>> bike

[RBW] FS: 27.2mm IRD Way Back seat post

I have up for sale a 27.2mm IRD Way Back seat post.  I bought it was new 
and never inserted into a seat tube.  I bought a shim for it to fit it into 
a 29.8mm seat tube on my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. However, to my 
surprise, it did not work out. Therefore, I am selling it.  
There are some light surface scratches on both sides of the length of the 
post. See pictures:

https://i.imgur.com/YMxfBDV.jpg
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$80.00, shipped in the CONUS.
PAYPAL payment preferred. 
Email me for your interest.

Thank-you,
Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

My understanding of what I’ve heard/read is the same as Brian’s, though his 
direct communication with Will might have given him more insight. One more 
run of filet frames for the Gus/Susie before they switch to TIG frames to 
save on the rising cost of having the brazed. It was also rumored to have 
at least an extra $200 over the last batch. No idea if they will do other 
changes than TIG welding or consolidating models. 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:06:16 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Just wanted to say that I’m really enjoying this thread. It’s very eye 
> opening and timely, as I’ve recently been reflecting on various Rivendell 
> wheelbases, older models vs newer, long vs medium vs short, and how these 
> relative terms have shifted over time and changed bike philosophy and 
> design and resulted in a distinct category of Rivendell models. I’ve not 
> ridden a super long Riv yet but I’m eager to try a Susie or Gus or a 
> successor. Thanks all. 
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:48:15 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Everything I now ride on the full squish bike I used to do on my Jones 
>> 29. That of course was a short wheelbase, tight chainstay bike with a 2.4” 
>> rear tire & a full 3” up front. It was always a blast, gobbling up roots & 
>> small rocks. It would take small drops in stride, 2’ at most and not at 
>> speed. I moved to suspension due to some back issues that I thought might 
>> be exacerbated by riding rigid. The Jones became my everything else bike 
>> and I like the Clem better for those uses, so I sold the Jones. But the 
>> Clem is just so comfy it has me thinking of doing without suspension once 
>> again.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I wouldn’t take this as gospel, but earlier this year in some email 
>> correspondence with Will from Rivendell, he mentioned that there would be 
>> another run of Susie / Gus frames either late this year or early next. He 
>> also mentioned that it MAY be the last run of these, and that they were 
>> considering consolidating the two into one bike instead of having two such 
>> similar models. Now, I don’t know if that means one of the two would go 
>> away, or both of them, or if it means a newly designed “Hillibike” that is 
>> a combination of the two. I simply can’t speculate on what he meant any 
>> more than that… but it’s something to keep in mind. 
>>
>>
>> I can’t *fully* speak to the capabilities of my Gus because I’ve only had 
>> it for 2 weeks now. However, in that amount of time I’ve put it through 
>> nearly all of the situations I intend to use it for and the types of 
>> terrain I plan to ride it on. I don’t consider myself a mountain biker per 
>> se, but I do enjoy riding a bike on rough terrain. Never owned a bike with 
>> suspension and never felt the need based on my riding style. I’ve been 
>> known to do a bit of underbiking with a loaded steel gravel bike. I’m 
>> firmly a “wheels on the ground” rider. I’m not jumping off rocks, hopping 
>> over logs, or screaming down hills picking technical lines. I’m typically 
>> riding rather slowly and methodically, simply enjoying the fact that I can 
>> even ride a bike on terrain that a lot of folks wouldn’t consider. Green 
>> and blue trails for this guy, and the tamer ones at that. I wanted to be 
>> able to pack 30-odd pounds along with me for bikepacking trips on chunky 
>> gravel, unmaintained forest roads, and exploring the occasional dry creek 
>> bed or crossing scenario. My Gus replaced my Surly Troll for all the riding 
>> mentioned above. Nothing crazy. Nothing technical. But I wanted it to be 
>> capable. The weight limitations listed on the Susie ruled it out for me. 
>> I’m not heavy, but not the lightest either (175-180 usually); but my weight 
>> + loaded gear + terrain made me go with Gus.
>>
>>
>> In the past two weeks, I’ve ridden my Gus (27.5 x 2.5 tires) 
>> approximately 150 miles; spanning several paved rail trail routes, an s24o 
>> along some rugged forest roads, and a couple of trips to local singletrack 
>> parks. It’s proved entirely capable in all situations thus far. It cruises 
>> along, carves turns, descends with confidence, and climbs like a mofo. 
>> Pretty much what I want it to do.
>>
>>
>> I think if you’re looking to replace a suspension mountain bike, or a 
>> bike with a dropper post, or a bike you’d typically be bombing over roots 
>> and hopping off rocks at speed, this bike AIN’T that.
>>
>>
>> Hope my limited experience helps a bit!
>>
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> "long wheelbase progressive geometry" The next marketing ploy!
>>
>> I agree on the tire size. I’m not sure what wheels you are running, but 
>> the cliffhanger set up tubeless with a 2.4-5  would make it quite capable. 
>> Again, this is depending on your wants. I love a stable bike that can bomb 
>> some fun stuff and climb comfortably while

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread J J

Just wanted to say that I’m really enjoying this thread. It’s very eye 
opening and timely, as I’ve recently been reflecting on various Rivendell 
wheelbases, older models vs newer, long vs medium vs short, and how these 
relative terms have shifted over time and changed bike philosophy and 
design and resulted in a distinct category of Rivendell models. I’ve not 
ridden a super long Riv yet but I’m eager to try a Susie or Gus or a 
successor. Thanks all. 
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:48:15 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Everything I now ride on the full squish bike I used to do on my Jones 29. 
> That of course was a short wheelbase, tight chainstay bike with a 2.4” rear 
> tire & a full 3” up front. It was always a blast, gobbling up roots & small 
> rocks. It would take small drops in stride, 2’ at most and not at speed. I 
> moved to suspension due to some back issues that I thought might be 
> exacerbated by riding rigid. The Jones became my everything else bike and I 
> like the Clem better for those uses, so I sold the Jones. But the Clem is 
> just so comfy it has me thinking of doing without suspension once again.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I wouldn’t take this as gospel, but earlier this year in some email 
> correspondence with Will from Rivendell, he mentioned that there would be 
> another run of Susie / Gus frames either late this year or early next. He 
> also mentioned that it MAY be the last run of these, and that they were 
> considering consolidating the two into one bike instead of having two such 
> similar models. Now, I don’t know if that means one of the two would go 
> away, or both of them, or if it means a newly designed “Hillibike” that is 
> a combination of the two. I simply can’t speculate on what he meant any 
> more than that… but it’s something to keep in mind. 
>
>
> I can’t *fully* speak to the capabilities of my Gus because I’ve only had 
> it for 2 weeks now. However, in that amount of time I’ve put it through 
> nearly all of the situations I intend to use it for and the types of 
> terrain I plan to ride it on. I don’t consider myself a mountain biker per 
> se, but I do enjoy riding a bike on rough terrain. Never owned a bike with 
> suspension and never felt the need based on my riding style. I’ve been 
> known to do a bit of underbiking with a loaded steel gravel bike. I’m 
> firmly a “wheels on the ground” rider. I’m not jumping off rocks, hopping 
> over logs, or screaming down hills picking technical lines. I’m typically 
> riding rather slowly and methodically, simply enjoying the fact that I can 
> even ride a bike on terrain that a lot of folks wouldn’t consider. Green 
> and blue trails for this guy, and the tamer ones at that. I wanted to be 
> able to pack 30-odd pounds along with me for bikepacking trips on chunky 
> gravel, unmaintained forest roads, and exploring the occasional dry creek 
> bed or crossing scenario. My Gus replaced my Surly Troll for all the riding 
> mentioned above. Nothing crazy. Nothing technical. But I wanted it to be 
> capable. The weight limitations listed on the Susie ruled it out for me. 
> I’m not heavy, but not the lightest either (175-180 usually); but my weight 
> + loaded gear + terrain made me go with Gus.
>
>
> In the past two weeks, I’ve ridden my Gus (27.5 x 2.5 tires) approximately 
> 150 miles; spanning several paved rail trail routes, an s24o along some 
> rugged forest roads, and a couple of trips to local singletrack parks. It’s 
> proved entirely capable in all situations thus far. It cruises along, 
> carves turns, descends with confidence, and climbs like a mofo. Pretty much 
> what I want it to do.
>
>
> I think if you’re looking to replace a suspension mountain bike, or a bike 
> with a dropper post, or a bike you’d typically be bombing over roots and 
> hopping off rocks at speed, this bike AIN’T that.
>
>
> Hope my limited experience helps a bit!
>
>
> - Brian
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> "long wheelbase progressive geometry" The next marketing ploy!
>
> I agree on the tire size. I’m not sure what wheels you are running, but 
> the cliffhanger set up tubeless with a 2.4-5  would make it quite capable. 
> Again, this is depending on your wants. I love a stable bike that can bomb 
> some fun stuff and climb comfortably while getting me to and from the 
> trail. Deer and elk trail exploration, the bike shoulders surprisingly well 
> to get through some tough hike a bike. Could be the ATB the market “must” 
> have in a few years. 
>
> I won’t knock the sweet new bikes (or riders) that can fly through any 
> terrain at speeds that scare me! That’s just not what you buy one of these 
> bikes for. I love my Susie but can’t say that it would be a massive 
> difference over the Clem L if the Clem had similar wheels and tires. It’s a 
> 1 cm higher BB, not a huge difference. Run a shorter crank, your knees 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

Everything I now ride on the full squish bike I used to do on my Jones 29. That 
of course was a short wheelbase, tight chainstay bike with a 2.4” rear tire & a 
full 3” up front. It was always a blast, gobbling up roots & small rocks. It 
would take small drops in stride, 2’ at most and not at speed. I moved to 
suspension due to some back issues that I thought might be exacerbated by 
riding rigid. The Jones became my everything else bike and I like the Clem 
better for those uses, so I sold the Jones. But the Clem is just so comfy it 
has me thinking of doing without suspension once again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wouldn’t take this as gospel, but earlier this year in some email 
> correspondence with Will from Rivendell, he mentioned that there would be 
> another run of Susie / Gus frames either late this year or early next. He 
> also mentioned that it MAY be the last run of these, and that they were 
> considering consolidating the two into one bike instead of having two such 
> similar models. Now, I don’t know if that means one of the two would go away, 
> or both of them, or if it means a newly designed “Hillibike” that is a 
> combination of the two. I simply can’t speculate on what he meant any more 
> than that… but it’s something to keep in mind. 
> 
> I can’t *fully* speak to the capabilities of my Gus because I’ve only had it 
> for 2 weeks now. However, in that amount of time I’ve put it through nearly 
> all of the situations I intend to use it for and the types of terrain I plan 
> to ride it on. I don’t consider myself a mountain biker per se, but I do 
> enjoy riding a bike on rough terrain. Never owned a bike with suspension and 
> never felt the need based on my riding style. I’ve been known to do a bit of 
> underbiking with a loaded steel gravel bike. I’m firmly a “wheels on the 
> ground” rider. I’m not jumping off rocks, hopping over logs, or screaming 
> down hills picking technical lines. I’m typically riding rather slowly and 
> methodically, simply enjoying the fact that I can even ride a bike on terrain 
> that a lot of folks wouldn’t consider. Green and blue trails for this guy, 
> and the tamer ones at that. I wanted to be able to pack 30-odd pounds along 
> with me for bikepacking trips on chunky gravel, unmaintained forest roads, 
> and exploring the occasional dry creek bed or crossing scenario. My Gus 
> replaced my Surly Troll for all the riding mentioned above. Nothing crazy. 
> Nothing technical. But I wanted it to be capable. The weight limitations 
> listed on the Susie ruled it out for me. I’m not heavy, but not the lightest 
> either (175-180 usually); but my weight + loaded gear + terrain made me go 
> with Gus.
> 
> In the past two weeks, I’ve ridden my Gus (27.5 x 2.5 tires) approximately 
> 150 miles; spanning several paved rail trail routes, an s24o along some 
> rugged forest roads, and a couple of trips to local singletrack parks. It’s 
> proved entirely capable in all situations thus far. It cruises along, carves 
> turns, descends with confidence, and climbs like a mofo. Pretty much what I 
> want it to do.
> 
> I think if you’re looking to replace a suspension mountain bike, or a bike 
> with a dropper post, or a bike you’d typically be bombing over roots and 
> hopping off rocks at speed, this bike AIN’T that.
> 
> Hope my limited experience helps a bit!
> 
> - Brian
> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>> 
>> "long wheelbase progressive geometry" The next marketing ploy!
>> 
>> I agree on the tire size. I’m not sure what wheels you are running, but the 
>> cliffhanger set up tubeless with a 2.4-5  would make it quite capable. 
>> Again, this is depending on your wants. I love a stable bike that can bomb 
>> some fun stuff and climb comfortably while getting me to and from the trail. 
>> Deer and elk trail exploration, the bike shoulders surprisingly well to get 
>> through some tough hike a bike. Could be the ATB the market “must” have in a 
>> few years. 
>> 
>> I won’t knock the sweet new bikes (or riders) that can fly through any 
>> terrain at speeds that scare me! That’s just not what you buy one of these 
>> bikes for. I love my Susie but can’t say that it would be a massive 
>> difference over the Clem L if the Clem had similar wheels and tires. It’s a 
>> 1 cm higher BB, not a huge difference. Run a shorter crank, your knees might 
>> love it! 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:29:45 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>> I think the tires size definitely makes a huge difference in overall feel. 
>>> Even going from 2.2 on a narrow rim to 2.5 on a wide rim. If you've got a 
>>> chance, try to fit some ~2.4 tires on there and hit the trails. I found 
>>> some inexpensive second hand downhill tires to try it out and really 
>>> enjoyed it. Downhillers love upgrading and tires can be bought cheap. The 
>>> BB height also rises to a more reasonable height

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread Brian Turner

I wouldn’t take this as gospel, but earlier this year in some email correspondence with Will from Rivendell, he mentioned that there would be another run of Susie / Gus frames either late this year or early next. He also mentioned that it MAY be the last run of these, and that they were considering consolidating the two into one bike instead of having two such similar models. Now, I don’t know if that means one of the two would go away, or both of them, or if it means a newly designed “Hillibike” that is a combination of the two. I simply can’t speculate on what he meant any more than that… but it’s something to keep in mind. I can’t *fully* speak to the capabilities of my Gus because I’ve only had it for 2 weeks now. However, in that amount of time I’ve put it through nearly all of the situations I intend to use it for and the types of terrain I plan to ride it on. I don’t consider myself a mountain biker per se, but I do enjoy riding a bike on rough terrain. Never owned a bike with suspension and never felt the need based on my riding style. I’ve been known to do a bit of underbiking with a loaded steel gravel bike. I’m firmly a “wheels on the ground” rider. I’m not jumping off rocks, hopping over logs, or screaming down hills picking technical lines. I’m typically riding rather slowly and methodically, simply enjoying the fact that I can even ride a bike on terrain that a lot of folks wouldn’t consider. Green and blue trails for this guy, and the tamer ones at that. I wanted to be able to pack 30-odd pounds along with me for bikepacking trips on chunky gravel, unmaintained forest roads, and exploring the occasional dry creek bed or crossing scenario. My Gus replaced my Surly Troll for all the riding mentioned above. Nothing crazy. Nothing technical. But I wanted it to be capable. The weight limitations listed on the Susie ruled it out for me. I’m not heavy, but not the lightest either (175-180 usually); but my weight + loaded gear + terrain made me go with Gus.In the past two weeks, I’ve ridden my Gus (27.5 x 2.5 tires) approximately 150 miles; spanning several paved rail trail routes, an s24o along some rugged forest roads, and a couple of trips to local singletrack parks. It’s proved entirely capable in all situations thus far. It cruises along, carves turns, descends with confidence, and climbs like a mofo. Pretty much what I want it to do.I think if you’re looking to replace a suspension mountain bike, or a bike with a dropper post, or a bike you’d typically be bombing over roots and hopping off rocks at speed, this bike AIN’T that.Hope my limited experience helps a bit!- BrianOn Oct 19, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Ryan Frahm wrote:"long wheelbase progressive geometry" The next marketing ploy!I agree on the tire size. I’m not sure what wheels you are running, but the cliffhanger set up tubeless with a 2.4-5 would make it quite capable. Again, this is depending on your wants. I love a stable bike that can bomb some fun stuff and climb comfortably while getting me to and from the trail. Deer and elk trail exploration, the bike shoulders surprisingly well to get through some tough hike a bike. Could be the ATB the market “must” have in a few years. I won’t knock the sweet new bikes (or riders) that can fly through any terrain at speeds that scare me! That’s just not what you buy one of these bikes for. I love my Susie but can’t say that it would be a massive difference over the Clem L if the Clem had similar wheels and tires. It’s a 1 cm higher BB, not a huge difference. Run a shorter crank, your knees might love it! On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:29:45 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:I think the tires size definitely makes a huge difference in overall feel. Even going from 2.2 on a narrow rim to 2.5 on a wide rim. If you've got a chance, try to fit some ~2.4 tires on there and hit the trails. I found some inexpensive second hand downhill tires to try it out and really enjoyed it. Downhillers love upgrading and tires can be bought cheap. The BB height also rises to a more reasonable height for trails as well. I found the large clem jr pretty good on "baby head" sized rocks sticking out of trails for the speeds I ride. It deflects and bounces a lot less than other bikes I've noticed. Granted my reference of my previous bike was a romanceur with 26x2.1 tires which is short and twitchy. I've noticed a lot of "progressive" mtb geometry is getting long and slack (not unlike riv hillibikes). As Frahm had mentioned the huge difference is short chainstays and stp seat tubes. I'm curious if longer bikes will catch on in the next 5 years. Salsa and Specialized will release "long wheelbase progressive geometry" mountain bikes. haha On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Nice, thanks for that input. My Clem is a new 52 and it has felt really good on smooth trails. But it was pretty rough relative to the squishy bike) on a heavily rooted section. But the tires are pretty

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: FS: Commuter Parts and tires- Shimano 600, panasonic dynamo, schwlabe...

2022-10-19 Thread Collin A

Another update, the cranks have sold and there should be photos of
everything now.

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CD6PdMnnTVxZiEGk9

>
>>1. SR Laprade 27.0 flutted seatpost. Scratches below the flutes, but
>>otherwise pretty clean -* $30*
>>2. Shimano BR451 and 650 mid-reach brakes (1 bikes worth). The front
>>is older, but the rear is only a year old. Works great - *$40*
>>3. Tektro FL750 brake levers for 22.2 bars - this uses road brake
>>cables, not mtn, FYI - $30
>>4. 1986 Trek 300 frame/fork 21" - its a commuter and it shows, but
>>the bones on this thing are still good. Little baby dent on the top tube.
>>Can fit 650x42 with fenders if you are looking for a lively roady 650b
>>conversion. Otherwise can fit 700x38 with mid-reach calipers (or 700x32
>>with fenders) - *$50*
>>
>> I've got some various 700 roady tires and 650b gravel tires too:
>>
>>1. Bontrager R3 700x32 tanwall (brown) and tubeless compatible
>>(folding, 310g each). Mostly gravel miles on these weirdly enough. Setup
>>tubeless, and one tire has a plug in it, but lots of life left - *$30*
>>2. Vittoria rubino pro 700x30 tubeless compatible (folding, 320g
>>each). Couple hundred miles on these and setup tubeless, but not plugs,
>>etc. *$20*
>>3. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x42 evos, tubless, folding bead (420g
>>each)...bought in 2019 and used a couple times on a bike now sold. I
>>trimmed knobs on one side of the tire because the carcass is a little
>>wobbly. Never setup tubeless -* $40*
>>4. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x55 evo, setup tubeless, folding bead
>>(650g)...again used on a bike now sold. One tire - *$30*
>>
>> Happy Wednesday,
>> Collin in Sactown
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork

Thanks JohnS, that’s a promising number! I’d consider a nice powder coat 
job for $200-250 a steal! Would probably be at least that for the fork is I 
had to have the accent colors. But I have no idea these days. 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:

> About a year ago I had a frame and fork stripped and powder coated for 
> just under $200, which I thought was a bargain. The powder coat paint 
> options have come a long way since the last time I had a frame and fork 
> coated about 12 years ago. This time I choose "intense orange" which looks 
> like metal flake and looks great.
>
> Good luck,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 12:36:21 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Rich, I bet it does! Nice and clean. 
>>
>> I sent a message to a local powder coating place to see if they do bikes. 
>> There are a few options around at least. I don’t want to spend a ton or I 
>> think Cerakote would be a great option as well. So thin that the lug 
>> details would be even better than paint I bet!
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> One of my bikes (single color) has two decals: headtube and a tiny "C" 
>>> on the seat tube. Otherwise clean as a whistle; looks great.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for the reply Garth! I live in Spokane Washington. It isn’t 
 like when I lived on the other side of the state and my bikes saw rain 
 riding for most months of the year, but there is plenty of weather in the 
 winter. 

 It seems like it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to find a painter but 
 price is a bit of a concern at the moment. I really don’t know what a full 
 paint job would cost. I plan to get a quote (powder) for the fork and 
 possibly the frame as well when the fork gets here. Spraying it myself 
 would be an option for this winter and then have it fully done next year. 
 Has anyone tried spraybike.us paints?

 I also like the clean look on a bike. Pictures are always welcome Garth!

 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:43:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> I'd say it depends on where you live, does price matter, what painters 
> are available, and as for doing it yourself, why not ? 
>
> I had my Bomba painted without any decals/logos mostly because I like 
> unfettered clean paint. 
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:46:45 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Joe, that is what I was looking for. Also don’t want to 
>> break any Rivendell rules to go for powder coating. It seems like the 
>> way 
>> to go since it sees year round use in place with wet and snowy winters. 
>>
>> The frame is reasonably scratched up as well though. Maybe I should 
>> just have it all powder coated. Does a bike free from any logos seem 
>> less 
>> desirable to thieves? Ha! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're looking for "if it were me" thoughts from us so 
>>> here's mine: 
>>>
>>> The first Clems didn't come with the fork accents and I think it 
>>> looks fine. I have a powder coater place in town so for a 
>>> commuter/shopper 
>>> lock-up bike - which is what Clems are for! - I would keep the price 
>>> low 
>>> and the fork-covering tough and powder coat it. I don't know if he 
>>> could do 
>>> the accents. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 After talking with Will about my tweaked Clem fork, he thought it 
 would like a new fork would be better then trying to fix it. Easy to 
 talk 
 me into because mine has rust issues on top of being crooked (in two 
 directions). The cost wasn’t as bad as I thought either. It will 
 actually 
 be a Hunq fork because that’s what they had. Very slight rake 
 difference is 
 all I guess. 

 Anyway, it is a bare fork so now I get to decide how to paint it. 
 My Clem is Grilver and I love the color. I’m thinking of just having 
 it 
 powder coated for maximum durability since it is my daily commuter and 
 gets 
 locked up all over. I’m not sure the accent colors can be done with 
 that 
 though?  Or should I find a painter to do it. Or should I just spray 
 it 
 myself and not worry too much about it? Thoughts? Thanks in advance!




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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

"long wheelbase progressive geometry" The next marketing ploy!

I agree on the tire size. I’m not sure what wheels you are running, but the 
cliffhanger set up tubeless with a 2.4-5  would make it quite capable. 
Again, this is depending on your wants. I love a stable bike that can bomb 
some fun stuff and climb comfortably while getting me to and from the 
trail. Deer and elk trail exploration, the bike shoulders surprisingly well 
to get through some tough hike a bike. Could be the ATB the market “must” 
have in a few years. 

I won’t knock the sweet new bikes (or riders) that can fly through any 
terrain at speeds that scare me! That’s just not what you buy one of these 
bikes for. I love my Susie but can’t say that it would be a massive 
difference over the Clem L if the Clem had similar wheels and tires. It’s a 
1 cm higher BB, not a huge difference. Run a shorter crank, your knees 
might love it! 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:29:45 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I think the tires size definitely makes a huge difference in overall feel. 
> Even going from 2.2 on a narrow rim to 2.5 on a wide rim. If you've got a 
> chance, try to fit some ~2.4 tires on there and hit the trails. I found 
> some inexpensive second hand downhill tires to try it out and really 
> enjoyed it. Downhillers love upgrading and tires can be bought cheap. The 
> BB height also rises to a more reasonable height for trails as well. 
>
> I found the large clem jr pretty good on "baby head" sized rocks sticking 
> out of trails for the speeds I ride. It deflects and bounces a lot less 
> than other bikes I've noticed. Granted my reference of my previous bike was 
> a romanceur with 26x2.1 tires which is short and twitchy. 
>
> I've noticed a lot of "progressive" mtb geometry is getting long and slack 
> (not unlike riv hillibikes). As Frahm had mentioned the huge difference is 
> short chainstays and stp seat tubes. I'm curious if longer bikes 
> will catch on in the next 5 years. Salsa and Specialized will release "long 
> wheelbase progressive geometry" mountain bikes. haha 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice, thanks for that input. My Clem is a new 52 and it has felt really 
>> good on smooth trails. But it was pretty rough relative to the squishy 
>> bike) on a heavily rooted section. But the tires are pretty small as noted. 
>> On a more rocky trail I frequent I would be concerned (I think?) about 
>> pedal strikes. But I really need to ride some more trails with this Clem. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a bullmoose bosco first gen 59cm Clementine with 2.2 tires and 
>> simworks flat 65 fenders with ample clearance for the type of riding I do. 
>> With the steeper headtube I find it a better commuter with a basket and 
>> light trail bike that is extremely comfortable and fun. it feels like a 
>> good bike with long chainstays. 
>>
>>
>> I also have a 64 Clem Smith Jr that I found I disliked as a commuter with 
>> a basket because of flop so have turned it into a designated hillibike. I 
>> was able to fit 2.5 maxxis tires with space to spare. The fit is almost 
>> identical to the 59cm with tosco's and a 90mm stem. It's an absolute blast 
>> on trails and descends and climbs like a dream. The way it floats I felt I 
>> could easily outpace a lot of other bikes with no squirm. I feel much more 
>> confident on trails than with the clementine. It marks what I enjoy about 
>> mountain biking/all terrain biking which is picking lines, riding light, 
>> pumping, and regulating speed accordingly. the long wheel base and slack HT 
>> really help it float. I have no intention of ever having a suspension bike. 
>> it's not how I want to relate or wish to engage to my environment. With the 
>> bike so long I feel like I have lots of room to move forward and back 
>> terrain pending. 
>>
>> I think a Gus or a SUS would be even a little more awesome for trails. 
>> But I'm happy with my clems and they do everything i want them to do. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:06:06 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Susie / Gus for what they are, but I will admit I'd never 
>>> consider one for trail riding around here because of two deal-breakers: rim 
>>> brakes and 26.8 seatpost.  I can happily do without suspension, but a 
>>> dropper seatpost provides so much more off-road capability for pretty 
>>> minimal complexity. At least if were 27.2 we'd have options.  And disc 
>>> brakes not only improve performance and general enjoyment when things get 
>>> muddy, they also allow fatter tires and potentially fenders as well - there 
>>> isn't enough clearance with V-brakes to have both fat tires and fenders.  
>>>
>>> This has everything to do with where I live though - the Gus / Susie are 
>>> perfect for the California hills for which they're designed, I have no 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread Mackenzy Albright

I think the tires size definitely makes a huge difference in overall feel. 
Even going from 2.2 on a narrow rim to 2.5 on a wide rim. If you've got a 
chance, try to fit some ~2.4 tires on there and hit the trails. I found 
some inexpensive second hand downhill tires to try it out and really 
enjoyed it. Downhillers love upgrading and tires can be bought cheap. The 
BB height also rises to a more reasonable height for trails as well. 

I found the large clem jr pretty good on "baby head" sized rocks sticking 
out of trails for the speeds I ride. It deflects and bounces a lot less 
than other bikes I've noticed. Granted my reference of my previous bike was 
a romanceur with 26x2.1 tires which is short and twitchy. 

I've noticed a lot of "progressive" mtb geometry is getting long and slack 
(not unlike riv hillibikes). As Frahm had mentioned the huge difference is 
short chainstays and stp seat tubes. I'm curious if longer bikes 
will catch on in the next 5 years. Salsa and Specialized will release "long 
wheelbase progressive geometry" mountain bikes. haha 


On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nice, thanks for that input. My Clem is a new 52 and it has felt really 
> good on smooth trails. But it was pretty rough relative to the squishy 
> bike) on a heavily rooted section. But the tires are pretty small as noted. 
> On a more rocky trail I frequent I would be concerned (I think?) about 
> pedal strikes. But I really need to ride some more trails with this Clem. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
> I have a bullmoose bosco first gen 59cm Clementine with 2.2 tires and 
> simworks flat 65 fenders with ample clearance for the type of riding I do. 
> With the steeper headtube I find it a better commuter with a basket and 
> light trail bike that is extremely comfortable and fun. it feels like a 
> good bike with long chainstays. 
>
>
> I also have a 64 Clem Smith Jr that I found I disliked as a commuter with 
> a basket because of flop so have turned it into a designated hillibike. I 
> was able to fit 2.5 maxxis tires with space to spare. The fit is almost 
> identical to the 59cm with tosco's and a 90mm stem. It's an absolute blast 
> on trails and descends and climbs like a dream. The way it floats I felt I 
> could easily outpace a lot of other bikes with no squirm. I feel much more 
> confident on trails than with the clementine. It marks what I enjoy about 
> mountain biking/all terrain biking which is picking lines, riding light, 
> pumping, and regulating speed accordingly. the long wheel base and slack HT 
> really help it float. I have no intention of ever having a suspension bike. 
> it's not how I want to relate or wish to engage to my environment. With the 
> bike so long I feel like I have lots of room to move forward and back 
> terrain pending. 
>
> I think a Gus or a SUS would be even a little more awesome for trails. But 
> I'm happy with my clems and they do everything i want them to do. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:06:06 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I love the Susie / Gus for what they are, but I will admit I'd never 
>> consider one for trail riding around here because of two deal-breakers: rim 
>> brakes and 26.8 seatpost.  I can happily do without suspension, but a 
>> dropper seatpost provides so much more off-road capability for pretty 
>> minimal complexity. At least if were 27.2 we'd have options.  And disc 
>> brakes not only improve performance and general enjoyment when things get 
>> muddy, they also allow fatter tires and potentially fenders as well - there 
>> isn't enough clearance with V-brakes to have both fat tires and fenders.  
>>
>> This has everything to do with where I live though - the Gus / Susie are 
>> perfect for the California hills for which they're designed, I have no 
>> doubt. They just don't make as much sense here in BC.  The Jones, or a 
>> Stooge are the ideal rigid MTBs for me. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 06:39:49 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>>> and a Clem L?
>>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
>>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
>>> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
>>> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
>>> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
>>> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
>>> like to ride on the full squish bike.
>>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

Nice, thanks for that input. My Clem is a new 52 and it has felt really good on 
smooth trails. But it was pretty rough relative to the squishy bike) on a 
heavily rooted section. But the tires are pretty small as noted. On a more 
rocky trail I frequent I would be concerned (I think?) about pedal strikes. But 
I really need to ride some more trails with this Clem. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a bullmoose bosco first gen 59cm Clementine with 2.2 tires and 
> simworks flat 65 fenders with ample clearance for the type of riding I do. 
> With the steeper headtube I find it a better commuter with a basket and light 
> trail bike that is extremely comfortable and fun. it feels like a good bike 
> with long chainstays. 
> 
> I also have a 64 Clem Smith Jr that I found I disliked as a commuter with a 
> basket because of flop so have turned it into a designated hillibike. I was 
> able to fit 2.5 maxxis tires with space to spare. The fit is almost identical 
> to the 59cm with tosco's and a 90mm stem. It's an absolute blast on trails 
> and descends and climbs like a dream. The way it floats I felt I could easily 
> outpace a lot of other bikes with no squirm. I feel much more confident on 
> trails than with the clementine. It marks what I enjoy about mountain 
> biking/all terrain biking which is picking lines, riding light, pumping, and 
> regulating speed accordingly. the long wheel base and slack HT really help it 
> float. I have no intention of ever having a suspension bike. it's not how I 
> want to relate or wish to engage to my environment. With the bike so long I 
> feel like I have lots of room to move forward and back terrain pending. 
> 
> I think a Gus or a SUS would be even a little more awesome for trails. But 
> I'm happy with my clems and they do everything i want them to do. 
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:06:06 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> I love the Susie / Gus for what they are, but I will admit I'd never 
>> consider one for trail riding around here because of two deal-breakers: rim 
>> brakes and 26.8 seatpost.  I can happily do without suspension, but a 
>> dropper seatpost provides so much more off-road capability for pretty 
>> minimal complexity. At least if were 27.2 we'd have options.  And disc 
>> brakes not only improve performance and general enjoyment when things get 
>> muddy, they also allow fatter tires and potentially fenders as well - there 
>> isn't enough clearance with V-brakes to have both fat tires and fenders.  
>> 
>> This has everything to do with where I live though - the Gus / Susie are 
>> perfect for the California hills for which they're designed, I have no 
>> doubt. They just don't make as much sense here in BC.  The Jones, or a 
>> Stooge are the ideal rigid MTBs for me. 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 06:39:49 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>>> and a Clem L?
>>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most comfortable 
>>> bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the bike that I 
>>> am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full suspension 
>>> bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good off road 
>>> and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept me from 
>>> giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I like to 
>>> ride on the full squish bike.
>>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable on 
>>> these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding a 
>>> rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a bike 
>>> that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

Mackenzy, you nailed the riding these bikes are made for. They are a blast. 
Rim brakes are absolutely fine in all conditions for riding at the speeds 
these bikes are made for. When I look at the geo on the Clem L, it is 
seemingly closer to a Gus/Susie and I’m sure it can be very close to as 
capable. The long wheelbase is such a smooth ride too! Far more capable 
than most would imagine. 

As far as a dropper post, I just don’t have any need for them. Picking 
lines and “under biking” has been something I have fun doing though. If you 
need disc brakes and a dropper post, you’re going fast enough to need full 
body protection. I don’t take it that serious these days. That kind of 
riding is probably best left to bikes made for it. Unfortunately, I use a 
setback post to be comfortable on these bikes. Droppers don’t have setback. 
And those new bikes with a 74-76 seat tube angle? That just sounds like a 
great way to ruin a comfortable bike ride…

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:38:34 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I have a bullmoose bosco first gen 59cm Clementine with 2.2 tires and 
> simworks flat 65 fenders with ample clearance for the type of riding I do. 
> With the steeper headtube I find it a better commuter with a basket and 
> light trail bike that is extremely comfortable and fun. it feels like a 
> good bike with long chainstays. 
>
> I also have a 64 Clem Smith Jr that I found I disliked as a commuter with 
> a basket because of flop so have turned it into a designated hillibike. I 
> was able to fit 2.5 maxxis tires with space to spare. The fit is almost 
> identical to the 59cm with tosco's and a 90mm stem. It's an absolute blast 
> on trails and descends and climbs like a dream. The way it floats I felt I 
> could easily outpace a lot of other bikes with no squirm. I feel much more 
> confident on trails than with the clementine. It marks what I enjoy about 
> mountain biking/all terrain biking which is picking lines, riding light, 
> pumping, and regulating speed accordingly. the long wheel base and slack HT 
> really help it float. I have no intention of ever having a suspension bike. 
> it's not how I want to relate or wish to engage to my environment. With the 
> bike so long I feel like I have lots of room to move forward and back 
> terrain pending. 
>
> I think a Gus or a SUS would be even a little more awesome for trails. But 
> I'm happy with my clems and they do everything i want them to do. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:06:06 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I love the Susie / Gus for what they are, but I will admit I'd never 
>> consider one for trail riding around here because of two deal-breakers: rim 
>> brakes and 26.8 seatpost.  I can happily do without suspension, but a 
>> dropper seatpost provides so much more off-road capability for pretty 
>> minimal complexity. At least if were 27.2 we'd have options.  And disc 
>> brakes not only improve performance and general enjoyment when things get 
>> muddy, they also allow fatter tires and potentially fenders as well - there 
>> isn't enough clearance with V-brakes to have both fat tires and fenders.  
>>
>> This has everything to do with where I live though - the Gus / Susie are 
>> perfect for the California hills for which they're designed, I have no 
>> doubt. They just don't make as much sense here in BC.  The Jones, or a 
>> Stooge are the ideal rigid MTBs for me. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 06:39:49 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>>> and a Clem L?
>>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
>>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
>>> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
>>> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
>>> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
>>> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
>>> like to ride on the full squish bike.
>>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
>>> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding 
>>> a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a 
>>> bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread Mackenzy Albright

I have a bullmoose bosco first gen 59cm Clementine with 2.2 tires and 
simworks flat 65 fenders with ample clearance for the type of riding I do. 
With the steeper headtube I find it a better commuter with a basket and 
light trail bike that is extremely comfortable and fun. it feels like a 
good bike with long chainstays. 

I also have a 64 Clem Smith Jr that I found I disliked as a commuter with a 
basket because of flop so have turned it into a designated hillibike. I was 
able to fit 2.5 maxxis tires with space to spare. The fit is almost 
identical to the 59cm with tosco's and a 90mm stem. It's an absolute blast 
on trails and descends and climbs like a dream. The way it floats I felt I 
could easily outpace a lot of other bikes with no squirm. I feel much more 
confident on trails than with the clementine. It marks what I enjoy about 
mountain biking/all terrain biking which is picking lines, riding light, 
pumping, and regulating speed accordingly. the long wheel base and slack HT 
really help it float. I have no intention of ever having a suspension bike. 
it's not how I want to relate or wish to engage to my environment. With the 
bike so long I feel like I have lots of room to move forward and back 
terrain pending. 

I think a Gus or a SUS would be even a little more awesome for trails. But 
I'm happy with my clems and they do everything i want them to do. 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:06:06 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I love the Susie / Gus for what they are, but I will admit I'd never 
> consider one for trail riding around here because of two deal-breakers: rim 
> brakes and 26.8 seatpost.  I can happily do without suspension, but a 
> dropper seatpost provides so much more off-road capability for pretty 
> minimal complexity. At least if were 27.2 we'd have options.  And disc 
> brakes not only improve performance and general enjoyment when things get 
> muddy, they also allow fatter tires and potentially fenders as well - there 
> isn't enough clearance with V-brakes to have both fat tires and fenders.  
>
> This has everything to do with where I live though - the Gus / Susie are 
> perfect for the California hills for which they're designed, I have no 
> doubt. They just don't make as much sense here in BC.  The Jones, or a 
> Stooge are the ideal rigid MTBs for me. 
>
> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 06:39:49 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>> and a Clem L?
>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
>> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
>> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
>> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
>> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
>> like to ride on the full squish bike.
>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
>> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding 
>> a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a 
>> bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

Good points for sure, but for the most part not for me. All trails within 2 
hrs. of me frown on riding in muddy / soft conditions - and I don’t do so. So 
fenders are never required. Disks are nice though. I don’t miss them where I 
ride the Clem but I might on certain high speed descents. The Susie will take 
as wide a tire as I would likely use. And, I have a dropper on my bike now & 
simply do not take advantage of it locally. But like you, these items have more 
to do with locale than anything else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 6:06 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> I love the Susie / Gus for what they are, but I will admit I'd never 
> consider one for trail riding around here because of two deal-breakers: rim 
> brakes and 26.8 seatpost.  I can happily do without suspension, but a dropper 
> seatpost provides so much more off-road capability for pretty minimal 
> complexity. At least if were 27.2 we'd have options.  And disc brakes not 
> only improve performance and general enjoyment when things get muddy, they 
> also allow fatter tires and potentially fenders as well - there isn't enough 
> clearance with V-brakes to have both fat tires and fenders.  
> 
> This has everything to do with where I live though - the Gus / Susie are 
> perfect for the California hills for which they're designed, I have no doubt. 
> They just don't make as much sense here in BC.  The Jones, or a Stooge are 
> the ideal rigid MTBs for me. 
> 
>> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 06:39:49 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates about 
>> additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie and 
>> a Clem L?
>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most comfortable 
>> bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the bike that I 
>> am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full suspension 
>> bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good off road and 
>> on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept me from giving 
>> it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I like to ride on 
>> the full squish bike.
>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable on 
>> these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding a 
>> rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a bike 
>> that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Chris King Open House

2022-10-19 Thread Brett Callahan

Mike, thanks for posting these. I missed the open house last weekend and 
enjoyed the photos. 

Brett

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 6:20:34 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> I know this kind of bike bling doesn't appeal to everyone on this list, 
> but after a 3-year absence, Chris King opened their doors again today for a 
> small custom bike show and bike geek hang fest. I always enjoy the heck out 
> of this event, and it was even sweeter for us to all gather again in person 
> post-pandemic to celebrate bikes and riding.
>
> The event is used by CK to showcase the new colorway - it's kept pretty 
> hush-hush, but supplied to the custom builders, who design the bikes to 
> showcase the hubs/headsets/bottom brackets. It might be difficult to see in 
> the pictures, but the new colorway is a matte finish dark gray/blue. I 
> forget what they call it. Depending on the light it looks almost black or 
> dark navy. Very subtle and subdued compared to some recent colors. 
> Consequently, many of the builders chose raw or anodized titanium, or 
> various shades of blue (The Best Bike Color IMHO). 
>
> But the highlight of the show was the students from our local Benson 
> Polytechnic High School showing off one of their custom frames and talking 
> about the program. They currently have 25 (!) frame jigs, and a full class 
> (including several female students). The instructor is a former United 
> Bicycle Institute instructor. Each student gets to build (and keep) their 
> own frame. Really inspiring!
> A few pics in my flickr album here: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAbmPb
>
> Mike M
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[RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread Jason Fuller

I love the Susie / Gus for what they are, but I will admit I'd never 
consider one for trail riding around here because of two deal-breakers: rim 
brakes and 26.8 seatpost.  I can happily do without suspension, but a 
dropper seatpost provides so much more off-road capability for pretty 
minimal complexity. At least if were 27.2 we'd have options.  And disc 
brakes not only improve performance and general enjoyment when things get 
muddy, they also allow fatter tires and potentially fenders as well - there 
isn't enough clearance with V-brakes to have both fat tires and fenders.  

This has everything to do with where I live though - the Gus / Susie are 
perfect for the California hills for which they're designed, I have no 
doubt. They just don't make as much sense here in BC.  The Jones, or a 
Stooge are the ideal rigid MTBs for me. 

On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 06:39:49 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
> and a Clem L?
> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
> like to ride on the full squish bike.
> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding 
> a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a 
> bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Commuter Parts and tires- Shimano 600, panasonic dynamo, schwlabe...

2022-10-19 Thread Collin A

Quick update folks. The frame is a 21" 300 from 1986 (geometry pulled from 
the vintage-trek website).
[image: Capture.JPG]

The Fenders, wheelset, and dynamo setup and sold pending payment. Enough 
folks have messaged me about the headset that I'll consider it also sold 
pending payment.

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>
> All prices *DO NOT* include shipping from 95816, but obviously if you 
> pickup multiple items then it will all go in one box.
>
>1. 
>2. SR Laprade 27.0 flutted seatpost. Scratches below the flutes, but 
>otherwise pretty clean -* $30*
>3. Shimano BR451 and 650 mid-reach brakes (1 bikes worth). The front 
>is older, but the rear is only a year old. Works great - *$40*
>4. Shimano 600 crankset with 40t narrow wide chainring, 130BCD and 
>170mm length. Ring has 2 miles on it! - *$40*
>5. Tektro FL750 brake levers for 22.2 bars - this uses road brake 
>cables, not mtn, FYI - $30
>6. 
>7. 
>8. 
>9. Trek 300 frame/fork - its a commuter and it shows, but the bones on 
>this thing are still good. Little baby dent on the top tube. Can fit 
> 650x42 
>with fenders if you are looking for a lively roady 650b conversion. 
>Otherwise can fit 700x38 with mid-reach calipers (or 700x32 with fenders) 
> - 
>*$50*
>
> I've got some various 700 roady tires and 650b gravel tires too:
>
>1. Bontrager R3 700x32 tanwall (brown) and tubeless compatible 
>(folding, 310g each). Mostly gravel miles on these weirdly enough. Setup 
>tubeless, and one tire has a plug in it, but lots of life left - *$30*
>2. Vittoria rubino pro 700x30 tubeless compatible (folding, 320g 
>each). Couple hundred miles on these and setup tubeless, but not plugs, 
>etc. *$20*
>3. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x42 evos, tubless, folding bead (420g 
>each)...bought in 2019 and used a couple times on a bike now sold. I 
>trimmed knobs on one side of the tire because the carcass is a little 
>wobbly. Never setup tubeless -* $40*
>4. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x55 evo, setup tubeless, folding bead 
>(650g)...again used on a bike now sold. One tire - *$30*
>
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[RBW] FS: Commuter Parts and tires- Shimano 600, panasonic dynamo, schwlabe...

2022-10-19 Thread Collin A

Hey Folks (and sorry for the x-post),

I'm parting out my local commuter as I am downsizing and converting my Riv
to the workhorse. I tried to sell the whole thing locally, but no dice! So
I've elected to strip it and sell the bits individually.

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All prices *DO NOT* include shipping from 95816, but obviously if you
pickup multiple items then it will all go in one box.

1. Shimano 600 threaded headset: Bearings in good condition and visually
in good condition - *$30*
2. SR Laprade 27.0 flutted seatpost. Scratches below the flutes, but
otherwise pretty clean -* $30*
3. Shimano BR451 and 650 mid-reach brakes (1 bikes worth). The front is
older, but the rear is only a year old. Works great - *$40*
4. Shimano 600 crankset with 40t narrow wide chainring, 130BCD and 170mm
length. Ring has 2 miles on it! - *$40*
5. Tektro FL750 brake levers for 22.2 bars - this uses road brake
cables, not mtn, FYI - $30
6. Herman's dynamo light setup - MR8 front and H-trace rear. While there
is more plastic in these than a comparable B or son light, the brightness
and beam are just as good, if not better. Will come with a B fork crown
mount. - *$50*.
7. SKS P45 longboard fenders, silver. Good condition, but I'd imagine
shipping would be a pain. If you are interested, we can try to work
something out that is fair for both of us - *$40*
8. "Good enough" 700c dynamo wheelset. Uses a panasonic dynamo laced to
a sunringle MR13ii front rim with a tiny dent in the rim. Rear is a shimano
130 OLD hub that works laced to the same MR13ii rim. Both are 36h laced 3x
with straight gauge spokes and both are true (rear is a little radially
out-of-true in the stand, but not noticeable when out riding) - *$100*
9. Trek 300 frame/fork - its a commuter and it shows, but the bones on
this thing are still good. Little baby dent on the top tube. Can fit 650x42
with fenders if you are looking for a lively roady 650b conversion.
Otherwise can fit 700x38 with mid-reach calipers (or 700x32 with fenders) -
*$50*

I've got some various 700 roady tires and 650b gravel tires too:

1. Bontrager R3 700x32 tanwall (brown) and tubeless compatible (folding,
310g each). Mostly gravel miles on these weirdly enough. Setup tubeless,
and one tire has a plug in it, but lots of life left - *$30*
2. Vittoria rubino pro 700x30 tubeless compatible (folding, 320g each).
Couple hundred miles on these and setup tubeless, but not plugs, etc.
*$20*
3. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x42 evos, tubless, folding bead (420g
each)...bought in 2019 and used a couple times on a bike now sold. I
trimmed knobs on one side of the tire because the carcass is a little
wobbly. Never setup tubeless -* $40*
4. Schwalbe g-one all-round 650x55 evo, setup tubeless, folding bead
(650g)...again used on a bike now sold. One tire - *$30*

Happy Wednesday,
Collin in Sactown

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

2022-10-19 Thread ascpgh

I finally settled on RH stampede Pass tires on Velocity Synergy rims under 
Honjo H-45 fenders and Paul center mount Racer brakes. Been riding that 
Rambouillet on all roads that way for years. 
Fendered '02 Rambouillet on 700x32 


Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 8:20:13 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> IF you can get those wider fenders inside those brakes. My memory of 
> messing with this on my Romulus is pretty vague now but it wasn't the 
> easiest project I've ever embarked on. 
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:28:22 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Peter!  
>>
>> Appreciate everyone's help and advice.  Looks like 28 or maybe 30s if 
>> they are true to size and 41 to 45mm fenders should work.  Guess the Jack 
>> Browns are nice weather gravel for the Ram.
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Peter White  
>> Date: 10/18/22 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>>
>> I'm firmly in Joe's camp.
>>
>> I use Challenge Paris Roubaix tires on my Rambouillet. They are labelled 
>> 27mm but measure 29.5mm. My fenders are Berthoud carbon fiber, only 25mm 
>> wide, but then this is my good weather bike. I would not recommend anything 
>> wider than these tires with any fender on the Rambouillet. 33.3mm would be 
>> very dangerous, in my opinion. If this were my bad weather bike, I'd be 
>> using the same tires but with the 41mm Stronglight anodized aluminum 
>> fenders.
>>
>> Peter Jon White
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 2:10 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Jon, 
>>>
>>> You would probably need wider fenders for 33.3 and I'm not comfortable 
>>> recommending it. These frames weren't designed for a fender/tire 
>>> combination like that and the minimal  clearance is begging for a 
>>> bike-stopping branch to get stuck in there. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 5:17:52 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Joe!  The description says for 20-28c tires, however I run the 
 33.3 Jack Bs, do I need a wider set of fenders?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

Kim, that’s from 2021 — One year ago

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I know the deadline has come and passed. It does not indicate as to 
> whether or not if this for the Clem Smith Jr. "H" or the "L" version. 
> However, for information reasons:
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/clem-lotto-tickets-on-sale-til-friday-the-15th?_pos=1&_sid=934df0537&_ss=r
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up a 
>> Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always looked 
>> for the “one” bike to do it all. 
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> VERY interesting! 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully 
>>> appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. 
>>>
>>> Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a 
>>> question about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.
>>>
>>> He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed 
>>> (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also 
>>> fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6. 
>>> Other than that - they are similar!"
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my 
 mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a 
 while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
 supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t 
 show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention 
 of them for a while. 

 I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I 
 love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L 
 seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube 
 angle and fork rake. 

 My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t 
 think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. 
 The 
 extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as 
 well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I 
 get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is 
 perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can 
 be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love 
 the 
 way the Susie rides. 

 My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a 
 fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem 
 not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I 
 am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling 
 like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily 
 routes. Only 2 days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 

 You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is 
 still a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would 
 definitely recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in 
 theory, but I think they (the completes at least) are wastefully 
 overbuilt. 
 It was several lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been 
 while riding a bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and 
 is a better ride in all ways.

 Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly recommend 
 the Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think if you have 
 your Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for trails there 
 isn’t too much of an overlap to justify one. 

 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
> Susie and a Clem L?
> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
> the 
> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a 
> full 
> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really 
> good 
> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and

[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork

2022-10-19 Thread JohnS

About a year ago I had a frame and fork stripped and powder coated for just 
under $200, which I thought was a bargain. The powder coat paint options 
have come a long way since the last time I had a frame and fork coated 
about 12 years ago. This time I choose "intense orange" which looks like 
metal flake and looks great.

Good luck,
JohnS


On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 12:36:21 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Rich, I bet it does! Nice and clean. 
>
> I sent a message to a local powder coating place to see if they do bikes. 
> There are a few options around at least. I don’t want to spend a ton or I 
> think Cerakote would be a great option as well. So thin that the lug 
> details would be even better than paint I bet!
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> One of my bikes (single color) has two decals: headtube and a tiny "C" on 
>> the seat tube. Otherwise clean as a whistle; looks great.
>>
>> Best
>> Rich in ATL
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the reply Garth! I live in Spokane Washington. It isn’t 
>>> like when I lived on the other side of the state and my bikes saw rain 
>>> riding for most months of the year, but there is plenty of weather in the 
>>> winter. 
>>>
>>> It seems like it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to find a painter but 
>>> price is a bit of a concern at the moment. I really don’t know what a full 
>>> paint job would cost. I plan to get a quote (powder) for the fork and 
>>> possibly the frame as well when the fork gets here. Spraying it myself 
>>> would be an option for this winter and then have it fully done next year. 
>>> Has anyone tried spraybike.us paints?
>>>
>>> I also like the clean look on a bike. Pictures are always welcome Garth!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:43:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I'd say it depends on where you live, does price matter, what painters 
 are available, and as for doing it yourself, why not ? 

 I had my Bomba painted without any decals/logos mostly because I like 
 unfettered clean paint. 
 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:46:45 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you Joe, that is what I was looking for. Also don’t want to 
> break any Rivendell rules to go for powder coating. It seems like the way 
> to go since it sees year round use in place with wet and snowy winters. 
>
> The frame is reasonably scratched up as well though. Maybe I should 
> just have it all powder coated. Does a bike free from any logos seem less 
> desirable to thieves? Ha! 
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think you're looking for "if it were me" thoughts from us so here's 
>> mine: 
>>
>> The first Clems didn't come with the fork accents and I think it 
>> looks fine. I have a powder coater place in town so for a 
>> commuter/shopper 
>> lock-up bike - which is what Clems are for! - I would keep the price low 
>> and the fork-covering tough and powder coat it. I don't know if he could 
>> do 
>> the accents. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After talking with Will about my tweaked Clem fork, he thought it 
>>> would like a new fork would be better then trying to fix it. Easy to 
>>> talk 
>>> me into because mine has rust issues on top of being crooked (in two 
>>> directions). The cost wasn’t as bad as I thought either. It will 
>>> actually 
>>> be a Hunq fork because that’s what they had. Very slight rake 
>>> difference is 
>>> all I guess. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, it is a bare fork so now I get to decide how to paint it. My 
>>> Clem is Grilver and I love the color. I’m thinking of just having it 
>>> powder 
>>> coated for maximum durability since it is my daily commuter and gets 
>>> locked 
>>> up all over. I’m not sure the accent colors can be done with that 
>>> though? 
>>>  Or should I find a painter to do it. Or should I just spray it myself 
>>> and 
>>> not worry too much about it? Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

2022-10-19 Thread Jon Richardson

Rich - very good points!  initially I was thinking of a curved set, however
look at the various versions out in the market (including some nice
wooden ones), I am leaning towards a flat set.

George - wow, another perspective thing to think about, and I guess might
not be 100% known until the time the fenders are mounted if they are on the
larger side.  I am using the standard Shimano brakes that came with the
bike when new, so I will measure the opening with my micrometer when I have
the brake engaged.

I appreciate everyone jumping in and providing their experiences, thoughts,
pictures and all the factors one should consider!  This is a great group of
folks!

Jon

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 12:38 PM RichS  wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Which fenders you choose can make a difference. John's exquisite light
> blue Ram uses SKS fenders so there is no rolled edge between the tire and
> inside edge of the fender, hence a touch more space. If you go with a
> Berthoud, VO, or Honjo you will lose the little bit of wiggle room
> non-metal fenders can provide.
> Joe Bell could paint your Ram in a nice multi-stage orange too:-)
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:59:04 AM UTC-4 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> John - Did you order this with a custom color?  That is a really nice
>> light blue color you picked!  Thanks for the first hand account of
>> tires/rims and fender setups...added to the other responses and pictures,
>> this gives me a great first hand view of my options.  While I am not a
>> person who enjoys cold weather, I am trying to set my Ram up for either
>> type of riding...as well as use my trainer when preferred.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:18 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, Rambouillet.
>>>
>>> Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all
>>> its 18 years:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH
>>> 32mm Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32.
>>> BTW, rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>>
>>> PS:  SKS P45
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM Jon Richardson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size
 fits this frame?

 Thanks for the assist!
 Jon

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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

2022-10-19 Thread George Schick

Rich, yes.  And another thing about the SKS fenders (because of the 
material they're made from) is that they can be heated a little and then 
bent with indents in certain places to allow the use of items such as short 
reach brakes.  This is exactly what I had to do with the front Shimano 
brake on my Ram in order be able to pull the lever without the brake arms 
squeezing and shifting the fender around.


On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:38:15 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Which fenders you choose can make a difference. John's exquisite light 
> blue Ram uses SKS fenders so there is no rolled edge between the tire and 
> inside edge of the fender, hence a touch more space. If you go with a 
> Berthoud, VO, or Honjo you will lose the little bit of wiggle room 
> non-metal fenders can provide.
> Joe Bell could paint your Ram in a nice multi-stage orange too:-)
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:59:04 AM UTC-4 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> John - Did you order this with a custom color?  That is a really nice 
>> light blue color you picked!  Thanks for the first hand account of 
>> tires/rims and fender setups...added to the other responses and pictures, 
>> this gives me a great first hand view of my options.  While I am not a 
>> person who enjoys cold weather, I am trying to set my Ram up for either 
>> type of riding...as well as use my trainer when preferred. 
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:18 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, Rambouillet.
>>>
>>> Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all 
>>> its 18 years:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH 
>>> 32mm Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32. 
>>> BTW, rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>>
>>> PS:  SKS P45 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM Jon Richardson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size 
 fits this frame?  

 Thanks for the assist! 
 Jon

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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

2022-10-19 Thread RichS

Jon,

Which fenders you choose can make a difference. John's exquisite light blue 
Ram uses SKS fenders so there is no rolled edge between the tire and inside 
edge of the fender, hence a touch more space. If you go with a Berthoud, 
VO, or Honjo you will lose the little bit of wiggle room non-metal fenders 
can provide.
Joe Bell could paint your Ram in a nice multi-stage orange too:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:59:04 AM UTC-4 Jon Richardson wrote:

> John - Did you order this with a custom color?  That is a really nice 
> light blue color you picked!  Thanks for the first hand account of 
> tires/rims and fender setups...added to the other responses and pictures, 
> this gives me a great first hand view of my options.  While I am not a 
> person who enjoys cold weather, I am trying to set my Ram up for either 
> type of riding...as well as use my trainer when preferred. 
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:18 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Ah, Rambouillet.
>>
>> Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all its 
>> 18 years:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH 
>> 32mm Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32. 
>> BTW, rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>
>> PS:  SKS P45 
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM Jon Richardson  wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size 
>>> fits this frame?  
>>>
>>> Thanks for the assist! 
>>> Jon
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork

Thank you Rich, I bet it does! Nice and clean. 

I sent a message to a local powder coating place to see if they do bikes. 
There are a few options around at least. I don’t want to spend a ton or I 
think Cerakote would be a great option as well. So thin that the lug 
details would be even better than paint I bet!
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> One of my bikes (single color) has two decals: headtube and a tiny "C" on 
> the seat tube. Otherwise clean as a whistle; looks great.
>
> Best
> Rich in ATL
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the reply Garth! I live in Spokane Washington. It isn’t 
>> like when I lived on the other side of the state and my bikes saw rain 
>> riding for most months of the year, but there is plenty of weather in the 
>> winter. 
>>
>> It seems like it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to find a painter but 
>> price is a bit of a concern at the moment. I really don’t know what a full 
>> paint job would cost. I plan to get a quote (powder) for the fork and 
>> possibly the frame as well when the fork gets here. Spraying it myself 
>> would be an option for this winter and then have it fully done next year. 
>> Has anyone tried spraybike.us paints?
>>
>> I also like the clean look on a bike. Pictures are always welcome Garth!
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:43:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I'd say it depends on where you live, does price matter, what painters 
>>> are available, and as for doing it yourself, why not ? 
>>>
>>> I had my Bomba painted without any decals/logos mostly because I like 
>>> unfettered clean paint. 
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:46:45 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Joe, that is what I was looking for. Also don’t want to break 
 any Rivendell rules to go for powder coating. It seems like the way to go 
 since it sees year round use in place with wet and snowy winters. 

 The frame is reasonably scratched up as well though. Maybe I should 
 just have it all powder coated. Does a bike free from any logos seem less 
 desirable to thieves? Ha! 

 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I think you're looking for "if it were me" thoughts from us so here's 
> mine: 
>
> The first Clems didn't come with the fork accents and I think it looks 
> fine. I have a powder coater place in town so for a commuter/shopper 
> lock-up bike - which is what Clems are for! - I would keep the price low 
> and the fork-covering tough and powder coat it. I don't know if he could 
> do 
> the accents. 
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> After talking with Will about my tweaked Clem fork, he thought it 
>> would like a new fork would be better then trying to fix it. Easy to 
>> talk 
>> me into because mine has rust issues on top of being crooked (in two 
>> directions). The cost wasn’t as bad as I thought either. It will 
>> actually 
>> be a Hunq fork because that’s what they had. Very slight rake difference 
>> is 
>> all I guess. 
>>
>> Anyway, it is a bare fork so now I get to decide how to paint it. My 
>> Clem is Grilver and I love the color. I’m thinking of just having it 
>> powder 
>> coated for maximum durability since it is my daily commuter and gets 
>> locked 
>> up all over. I’m not sure the accent colors can be done with that 
>> though? 
>>  Or should I find a painter to do it. Or should I just spray it myself 
>> and 
>> not worry too much about it? Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Testing waters - trade proposal: My 62cm Appaloosa for your 60cm Platypus

2022-10-19 Thread James

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[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork

2022-10-19 Thread RichS

One of my bikes (single color) has two decals: headtube and a tiny "C" on 
the seat tube. Otherwise clean as a whistle; looks great.

Best
Rich in ATL
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the reply Garth! I live in Spokane Washington. It isn’t like 
> when I lived on the other side of the state and my bikes saw rain riding 
> for most months of the year, but there is plenty of weather in the winter. 
>
> It seems like it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to find a painter but 
> price is a bit of a concern at the moment. I really don’t know what a full 
> paint job would cost. I plan to get a quote (powder) for the fork and 
> possibly the frame as well when the fork gets here. Spraying it myself 
> would be an option for this winter and then have it fully done next year. 
> Has anyone tried spraybike.us paints?
>
> I also like the clean look on a bike. Pictures are always welcome Garth!
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:43:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> I'd say it depends on where you live, does price matter, what painters 
>> are available, and as for doing it yourself, why not ? 
>>
>> I had my Bomba painted without any decals/logos mostly because I like 
>> unfettered clean paint. 
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:46:45 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Joe, that is what I was looking for. Also don’t want to break 
>>> any Rivendell rules to go for powder coating. It seems like the way to go 
>>> since it sees year round use in place with wet and snowy winters. 
>>>
>>> The frame is reasonably scratched up as well though. Maybe I should just 
>>> have it all powder coated. Does a bike free from any logos seem less 
>>> desirable to thieves? Ha! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I think you're looking for "if it were me" thoughts from us so here's 
 mine: 

 The first Clems didn't come with the fork accents and I think it looks 
 fine. I have a powder coater place in town so for a commuter/shopper 
 lock-up bike - which is what Clems are for! - I would keep the price low 
 and the fork-covering tough and powder coat it. I don't know if he could 
 do 
 the accents. 

 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> After talking with Will about my tweaked Clem fork, he thought it 
> would like a new fork would be better then trying to fix it. Easy to talk 
> me into because mine has rust issues on top of being crooked (in two 
> directions). The cost wasn’t as bad as I thought either. It will actually 
> be a Hunq fork because that’s what they had. Very slight rake difference 
> is 
> all I guess. 
>
> Anyway, it is a bare fork so now I get to decide how to paint it. My 
> Clem is Grilver and I love the color. I’m thinking of just having it 
> powder 
> coated for maximum durability since it is my daily commuter and gets 
> locked 
> up all over. I’m not sure the accent colors can be done with that though? 
>  Or should I find a painter to do it. Or should I just spray it myself 
> and 
> not worry too much about it? Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

I know the deadline has come and passed. It does not indicate as to whether 
or not if this for the Clem Smith Jr. "H" or the "L" version. However, for 
information reasons:

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/clem-lotto-tickets-on-sale-til-friday-the-15th?_pos=1&_sid=934df0537&_ss=r

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up a 
> Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always looked 
> for the “one” bike to do it all. 
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> VERY interesting! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully 
>> appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. 
>>
>> Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a question 
>> about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.
>>
>> He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed 
>> (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also 
>> fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6. 
>> Other than that - they are similar!"
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my 
>>> mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a 
>>> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
>>> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t 
>>> show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention 
>>> of them for a while. 
>>>
>>> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I 
>>> love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L 
>>> seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube 
>>> angle and fork rake. 
>>>
>>> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t 
>>> think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The 
>>> extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as 
>>> well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I 
>>> get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is 
>>> perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can 
>>> be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the 
>>> way the Susie rides. 
>>>
>>> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a 
>>> fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem 
>>> not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I 
>>> am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling 
>>> like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily 
>>> routes. Only 2 days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 
>>>
>>> You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is 
>>> still a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would 
>>> definitely recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in 
>>> theory, but I think they (the completes at least) are wastefully overbuilt. 
>>> It was several lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been 
>>> while riding a bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and 
>>> is a better ride in all ways.
>>>
>>> Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly recommend 
>>> the Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think if you have 
>>> your Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for trails there 
>>> isn’t too much of an overlap to justify one. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
 about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
 Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
 Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
 Susie and a Clem L?
 My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
 comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
 the 
 bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
 suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
 off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
 me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
 like to ride on the full squish bike.
 Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and 
 capable on these trails as the

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions


Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up a 
Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always looked 
for the “one” bike to do it all. 
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> VERY interesting! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully 
> appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. 
>
> Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a question 
> about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.
>
> He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed 
> (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also 
> fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6. 
> Other than that - they are similar!"
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my 
>> mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a 
>> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
>> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t 
>> show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention 
>> of them for a while. 
>>
>> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I 
>> love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L 
>> seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube 
>> angle and fork rake. 
>>
>> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t 
>> think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The 
>> extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as 
>> well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I 
>> get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is 
>> perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can 
>> be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the 
>> way the Susie rides. 
>>
>> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a 
>> fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem 
>> not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I 
>> am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling 
>> like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily 
>> routes. Only 2 days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 
>>
>> You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is 
>> still a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would 
>> definitely recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in 
>> theory, but I think they (the completes at least) are wastefully overbuilt. 
>> It was several lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been 
>> while riding a bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and 
>> is a better ride in all ways.
>>
>> Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly recommend 
>> the Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think if you have 
>> your Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for trails there 
>> isn’t too much of an overlap to justify one. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>>> and a Clem L?
>>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
>>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
>>> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
>>> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
>>> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
>>> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
>>> like to ride on the full squish bike.
>>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
>>> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding 
>>> a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a 
>>> bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

2022-10-19 Thread Jon Richardson

John - Did you order this with a custom color?  That is a really nice light
blue color you picked!  Thanks for the first hand account of tires/rims and
fender setups...added to the other responses and pictures, this gives me a
great first hand view of my options.  While I am not a person who enjoys
cold weather, I am trying to set my Ram up for either type of riding...as
well as use my trainer when preferred.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:18 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Ah, Rambouillet.
>
> Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all its
> 18 years:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/
>
> This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH 32mm
> Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32. BTW,
> rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>
> PS:  SKS P45
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM Jon Richardson 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size
>> fits this frame?
>>
>> Thanks for the assist!
>> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

VERY interesting! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully appreciate 
> this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. 
> 
> Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a question 
> about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.
> 
> He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed (the 
> Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also fits a 
> slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6. Other 
> than that - they are similar!"
> 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my 
>> mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a 
>> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
>> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t show 
>> up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention of them 
>> for a while. 
>> 
>> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I love 
>> my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L seems to 
>> be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube angle and 
>> fork rake. 
>> 
>> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t think 
>> it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The extra 
>> height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as well. 
>> The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I get on 
>> it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is perfect for 
>> that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can be. The Susie 
>> has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the way the Susie 
>> rides. 
>> 
>> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a fair 
>> comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem not so 
>> much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I am using 
>> the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling like I’m not 
>> working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily routes. Only 2 
>> days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 
>> 
>> You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is still 
>> a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would definitely 
>> recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in theory, but I 
>> think they (the completes at least) are wastefully overbuilt. It was several 
>> lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been while riding a 
>> bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and is a better ride 
>> in all ways.
>> 
>> Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly recommend the 
>> Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think if you have your 
>> Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for trails there isn’t 
>> too much of an overlap to justify one. 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>>> and a Clem L?
>>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most comfortable 
>>> bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the bike that I 
>>> am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full suspension 
>>> bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good off road 
>>> and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept me from 
>>> giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I like to 
>>> ride on the full squish bike.
>>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable on 
>>> these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding a 
>>> rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a bike 
>>> that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>>> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

Interesting stuff. Yeah, my Clem being a current geo “Low” with Bosco’s 
probably has more in common with your Susie than with your Clem. I am very 
upright on it & it simply glides through twisty but smooth singletrack. I only 
have 1.9” / 48mm tires (Gravelking SS) on it. I imaging a Susie would be a bit 
stiffer & plusher with 2.6” or so tires. I am actually experimenting right now 
with swept back bars on the suspended bike in a (futile?) effort to get into a 
more Clem - like position on it. Apples & oranges I fear…

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> On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
> 
> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my 
> mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a 
> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t show 
> up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention of them 
> for a while. 
> 
> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I love 
> my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L seems to be 
> a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube angle and fork 
> rake. 
> 
> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t think 
> it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The extra 
> height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as well. 
> The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I get on it. 
> I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is perfect for that. 
> Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can be. The Susie has more 
> flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the way the Susie rides. 
> 
> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a fair 
> comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem not so 
> much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I am using 
> the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling like I’m not 
> working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily routes. Only 2 
> days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 
> 
> You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is still 
> a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would definitely 
> recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in theory, but I 
> think they (the completes at least) are wastefully overbuilt. It was several 
> lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been while riding a 
> bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and is a better ride 
> in all ways.
> 
> Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly recommend the 
> Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think if you have your 
> Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for trails there isn’t too 
> much of an overlap to justify one. 
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates about 
>> additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie and 
>> a Clem L?
>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most comfortable 
>> bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the bike that I 
>> am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full suspension 
>> bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good off road and 
>> on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept me from giving 
>> it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I like to ride on 
>> the full squish bike.
>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable on 
>> these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding a 
>> rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a bike 
>> that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully 
appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. 

Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a question 
about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.

He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed 
(the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also 
fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6. 
Other than that - they are similar!"

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.



On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my 
> mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a 
> while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
> supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t 
> show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention 
> of them for a while. 
>
> I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I 
> love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L 
> seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube 
> angle and fork rake. 
>
> My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t 
> think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The 
> extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as 
> well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I 
> get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is 
> perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can 
> be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the 
> way the Susie rides. 
>
> My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a 
> fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem 
> not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I 
> am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling 
> like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily 
> routes. Only 2 days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 
>
> You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is 
> still a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would 
> definitely recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in 
> theory, but I think they (the completes at least) are wastefully overbuilt. 
> It was several lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been 
> while riding a bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and 
> is a better ride in all ways.
>
> Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly recommend 
> the Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think if you have 
> your Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for trails there 
> isn’t too much of an overlap to justify one. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>> and a Clem L?
>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
>> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
>> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
>> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
>> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
>> like to ride on the full squish bike.
>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
>> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding 
>> a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a 
>> bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

2022-10-19 Thread matt miller

Nice one on Facebook 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1011486256914408/

He says he will take to bike shop.
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:02:04 AM UTC-5 Matt B. wrote:

> The final version of quickbeam, which came with silver paint, did have a 
> kickstand plate. The QB never had those fork dropouts though as those came 
> later on the hunqapillar in about 2011 or so.  My guess is that ebay 
> listing is a simpleone with canti posts removed.
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think some SO frames had caliper brakes, but they only went up to a 
>> 62cm size. Though I don’t recall the QB had a kickstand plate. Maybe the 
>> later ones did. 
>>
>> But why would anyone take off canti posts to use caliper brakes? “Hey, 
>> let’s take off my powerful and light brakes and put on something without 
>> any power in the wet. That’ll be exciting!”
>>
>> Sorry. Don’t get me started on long reach brakes. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Not in this size*, and the SimpleOne was canti as well. This appears to 
>>> be a QB with the canti studs knocked off, then the clearcoat done. Also 
>>> it's a 64cm. 
>>>
>>> *Some small silver QBs had caliper brakes. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 Did the QB ever come without cantis?  I would assume that is a 
 Simpleone.  

 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:02:56 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

>
> Hello Tom,
>
> Not mine, but a nice looking 62 QB frame/fork on the bay now...
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364015264475?hash=item54c10022db:g:SzwAAOSwD79jEA9r=enc%3AAQAHoHwOqNWKMXHgc3oWyVn7pYPofBnuW5KG%2BoPQYyGHw3W5Fsfi278BWZin%2FGqnOZzDrWipsEVRl3DPDOIhASKUW968jEuKj49QYo3jTAqPBpMecpPHLrK2mmAyrgkZAI1sTF0XB2epZ4zk52Mkr4rj3WPFqdkj9wfeClKfmTrIuEUKfAJ%2F2QGA18n2Idq1vJd9pnww4UQOZqCh0ds1J9j5jn0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7CYj8T9YA
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:
>
>> Hey group,
>> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in good 
>> condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>>
>> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my 
mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a 
while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was 
supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t 
show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention 
of them for a while. 

I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I love 
my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L seems to 
be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube angle and 
fork rake. 

My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t 
think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The 
extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as 
well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I 
get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is 
perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can 
be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the 
way the Susie rides. 

My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a fair 
comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem not so 
much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I am using 
the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling like I’m not 
working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily routes. Only 2 
days so far so I’ll see if that holds true all week. 

You won’t match a full squish bike on a Gus or Susie but the riding is 
still a blast! Just different. I had a jones LWB complete and I would 
definitely recommend the Susie over that. Jones makes a great bike in 
theory, but I think they (the completes at least) are wastefully overbuilt. 
It was several lbs heavier than my Susie and the slowest I have ever been 
while riding a bike. My Susie has a more plush ride than the Jones did and 
is a better ride in all ways.

Not sue I’ve said anything useful in my rambling but I highly recommend the 
Susie! I’m sure the Gus is equally awesome though! I think if you have your 
Clem set up for commuting and the Gus/Susie set up for trails there isn’t 
too much of an overlap to justify one. 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
> and a Clem L?
> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
> like to ride on the full squish bike.
> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding 
> a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a 
> bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>
>

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[RBW] Susie / Gus questions

Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates
about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie
and a Clem L?
My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most comfortable
bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the bike that I
am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full suspension
bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good off road
and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept me from
giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I like to
ride on the full squish bike.
Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable on
these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding a
rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a bike
that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to
singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
Appreciate any comments / thoughts.

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[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork