Re: [RBW] What frame protection tape do you use with long term success ?

[Kevin D norcal - santa rosa]

3rd vote for ISC surface protection/helicopter tape.  I got the 2" wide 
roll but 1" would probably catch most everything.  I usually put a wrap 
under the front derailleur clamp, some at the head tube where cables rub, 
etc.  And yeah, it always comes off cleanly.

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:43:53 PM UTC-8 Tom Norton wrote:

> Patrick,  why didn't  it work on rack tubes? Was it not flexible? 
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've got a package of Ortlieb clear stick-on tape that they call "foil" 
>> meant to protect painted racks from pannier hooks. Anyone who wants it is 
>> welcome to it (you be patient and I'll pay postage).
>>
>> It might work well for frame protection, but I could not get it to work 
>> well on rack tubes.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 10:09 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering buying some clear frame protection tape to protect my 
>>> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" while it is relatively still new. 
>>> I did some homework. The brand names that I came up with are:
>>>
>>> *RideWrap kit
>>> *invisiFRAME 
>>> *Lizard Skins Clear Protective frame kit
>>> *3M™ Polyurethane Protective Tape 8671
>>> *3M Clear Paint Surface Protection Vinyl Film 
>>> *Effetto Mariposa Shelter Protective Tape
>>>
>>> I am wondering what tape have you used that has weathered exceedingly 
>>> very well over a very long time from road beausage ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[John Rinker]

Hey Scott, I certainly cannot speak to the new Atlanti, but mine definitely 
takes a 28.6. Looking forward to a photo of your build.

Cheers,
John

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:24:41 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> John, the Atlantis I purchased new from Riv last month takes a 31.8 clamp 
> FD. Yours is a 28.6? They must have changed along the way?
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 08:15:29 PM MST, John Rinker <
> jwri...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> You bet, Mike. My Hunq has the original XT FD from my first mountain bike 
> from the early 90s, and I've got some Deer Heads that I'm saving for 
> something, someday. 
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 6:42:48 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th 
> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting 
> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>
> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>
> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 2005 
> (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one so I 
> bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
> beautifully.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space 
> between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>
> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it. 
> Think I just found some direction...
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small reminders 
> are the best.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
>
> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any 
> trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a 
> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is 
> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>
> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two 
> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The 
> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and 
> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their 
> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 
>
> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, while 
> very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering up the 
> frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a 
> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 
>
> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my Atlantis 
> and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works beautifully 
> with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>
> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>
> Cheers, John
> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 John, the Atlantis I purchased new from Riv last month takes a 31.8 clamp FD. 
Yours is a 28.6? They must have changed along the way?

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 08:15:29 PM MST, John Rinker 
 wrote:  
 
 You bet, Mike. My Hunq has the original XT FD from my first mountain bike from 
the early 90s, and I've got some Deer Heads that I'm saving for something, 
someday. 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 6:42:48 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th century) 
generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting triples. I really 
like the aesthetics and function.
Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

Hey Aaron and Scott,
I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 2005 (I 
believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one so I bought 
an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts beautifully.
Cheers,John

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space between 
rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm building a 
new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it. Think I just 
found some direction...
Scott

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 


John,
Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small reminders are 
the best.
Best,
Aaron in El Paso

p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:

One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any 
trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a special 
tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is complicated 
but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful furniture, 
golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While technically one is not 
supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two years in Japan, I couldn't 
resist pulling a number of bicycles from the gomi including a brand new Tern 
folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia racing bicycle, handmade with 
Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The Bottechia looked as though it had 
been ridden less than a dozen times, and the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint 
condition. The Japanese tend to treat their goods with care and respect, and 
the Bottechia was no exception. 
Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, while very 
beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering up the frame to 
a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a beautiful group of 
Shimano's finest road mech. 
Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my Atlantis and 
found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works beautifully with the 
Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
Cheers, John


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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[John Rinker]

You bet, Mike. My Hunq has the original XT FD from my first mountain bike 
from the early 90s, and I've got some Deer Heads that I'm saving for 
something, someday. 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 6:42:48 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th 
> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting 
> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>
> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>
>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 2005 
>> (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one so I 
>> bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
>> beautifully.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space 
>>> between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>>>
>>> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
>>> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it. 
>>> Think I just found some direction...
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> 
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small reminders 
>>> are the best.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>>
>>> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
>>> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any 
>>> trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a 
>>> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is 
>>> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>>>
>>> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
>>> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
>>> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two 
>>> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
>>> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
>>> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The 
>>> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and 
>>> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their 
>>> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 
>>>
>>> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, while 
>>> very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering up the 
>>> frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a 
>>> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my 
>>> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works 
>>> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>>>
>>> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
>>> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
>>> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Mike Godwin]

John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th 
century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting 
triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.

Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>
> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 2005 
> (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one so I 
> bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
> beautifully.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
>> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space 
>> between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>>
>> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
>> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it. 
>> Think I just found some direction...
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small reminders 
>> are the best.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso
>>
>>
>> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any 
>> trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a 
>> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is 
>> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>>
>> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
>> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
>> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two 
>> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
>> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
>> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The 
>> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and 
>> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their 
>> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 
>>
>> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, while 
>> very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering up the 
>> frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a 
>> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 
>>
>> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my Atlantis 
>> and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works beautifully 
>> with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>>
>> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
>> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
>> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[John Rinker]

Hey Aaron and Scott,

I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 2005 
(I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one so I 
bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts 
beautifully.

Cheers,
John

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space 
> between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>
> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm 
> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it. 
> Think I just found some direction...
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small reminders 
> are the best.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
>
> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any 
> trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a 
> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is 
> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>
> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful 
> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While 
> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two 
> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the 
> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia 
> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The 
> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and 
> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their 
> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception. 
>
> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, while 
> very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering up the 
> frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a 
> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 
>
> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my Atlantis 
> and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works beautifully 
> with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>
> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of 
> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the 
> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>
> Cheers, John
> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
>
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[RBW] Any other Western Australians lurking in this group?

[brendonoid]

I know the chance is very slim, but I'd love to catch up with any other Riv 
owners or Riv curious folks locally and I don't really know how else to go 
about it. I know through third hand accounts that there are definitely 
other Rivs in the state but who knows if you lurk here too?
I might even have a bike or frame I'm willing to sell, or just let you 
ride, if you are the right size!

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Re: [RBW] For sale: Suntour hats

[brendonoid]

It is such a nice hat Eric, I would love one but shipping to Aus would be 
more than the hat.
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[RBW] Re: What Berthoud Saddle is this??

[Nikko in Oakland]

The Soulor and Galibier don't have the option for saddle bag hooks on the 
rear. Can you shoot a side-profile of the saddle so we can help? 
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 1:37:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Looks like a Galibier (ti version of Soulor), which is claimed 146mm 
> wide.  
>
> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/535-leather-saddle-galibier-black.html
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 12:31:42 PM UTC-8 BobW wrote:
>
>> I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has 
>> titanium rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but 
>> different rails.
>>
>> However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 150mm 
>> wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.
>>
>> Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these 
>> saddles??
>>
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[RBW] Re: What Berthoud Saddle is this??

[Joe Bernard]

Looks like a Galibier (ti version of Soulor), which is claimed 146mm wide.  

https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/535-leather-saddle-galibier-black.html

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 12:31:42 PM UTC-8 BobW wrote:

> I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has 
> titanium rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but 
> different rails.
>
> However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 150mm 
> wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.
>
> Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these 
> saddles??
>

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Re: [RBW] FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I’ve got a tiny add on crankset in a box somewhere as well, picked it up 
with intentions of installing, but never wrapped my head around it/got it 
done. I should dig it up and roll it out with the bike, which I expect will 
be sold tomorrow morning.
-Kai

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:54:05 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Might be worth mentioning that I have a child stoker kit that adds a 
> kid-accessible crankset to a standard tandem. If anybody needs more info, 
> email me directly. It’s been gathering dust since my kids were 4 feet tall, 
> which has been a while.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 1:50 PM, James M  wrote:
>
> Ayayayay.  Going to talk to the family about this.  If nothing else, your 
> post prompted me to finally put up my own FS post for the Long Haul Trucker 
> that's been collecting dust in the basement.  
>
> Got an estimate on stoker size range?  My youngest is 4' 10", my wife is 
> 5' 10".
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>
>> Hey folks, 
>> Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
>> I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short 
>> jaunts with a kiddo.
>> It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with 
>> a SON dyno hub.
>> I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
>> the family would fall in love with the thing. 
>> I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet 
>> upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that 
>> same section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
>> Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, 
>> but I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
>> Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
>> surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
>> Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
>> And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle
>>
>> Thanks much
>> -Kai
>>
>>
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[RBW] What Berthoud Saddle is this??

[BobW]

I came across a used Gilles Berthoud saddle in my travels.  It has titanium 
rails, so I assumed it is the "Aravis" model (same as Aspin but different 
rails.

However it seemed narrow to me so I measured it and it comes out to 150mm 
wide; not the 157mm the the Aspin/Aravis are spec'd at.

Wondering if this is a discontinued model??  Anyone familiar with these 
saddles??

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Joe Mullins]

Thanks Paul! Maybe there is a demand for them…The idea of these bikes getting passed around is pretty neat too. Multiple generations of kids riding on them seems pretty neat! But leave it to Riv make a “baby” bike that rides so great they go beyond their intended use and people want to keep them even after the kids out grow them!I was going to build up my Susie to carry the kiddo but I’m thinking the high BB might make it a bit too top heavy. JoeOn Dec 2, 2022, at 9:40 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:Hey Joe, I got it and will follow up off list. Hate to say it, but I'm also not surprised: you're not the only one waiting on a reply :)I think Riv should do another round of these :) I wonder if lead times and factory capacity are back to where they can do a special order if 10 or 20 people commit to buy them.On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 10:29:17 AM UTC-6 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:Hey Paul,I sent you an email but not sure if you got it. I’m a new a parent and while I’ve got other Rivs that I plan to use with a kid seat, I’ve definitely been curious to experience the Bebe with my baby! If you decide to pass it to a new parents, I’d love to chat with you about it.Thanks,Joe.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Joe, I got it and will follow up off list. Hate to say it, but I'm also 
not surprised: you're not the only one waiting on a reply :)

I think Riv should do another round of these :) I wonder if lead times and 
factory capacity are back to where they can do a special order if 10 or 20 
people commit to buy them.

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 10:29:17 AM UTC-6 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Paul,
>
> I sent you an email but not sure if you got it. I’m a new a parent and 
> while I’ve got other Rivs that I plan to use with a kid seat, I’ve 
> definitely been curious to experience the Bebe with my baby! If you decide 
> to pass it to a new parents, I’d love to chat with you about it.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
> .
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Marth]

If anyone needs any prodding to take Bill up on his offer of a free 
catalog, it's this one here:
http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Sam%20Hillborne%202014.pdf
 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:16:50 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not sure if the trail is the same, but Atlantis fork is not the same as 
Gus/Susie.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 7:59 AM, Hoch in ut wrote:   I 
believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is similar, if 
not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same front end on the 
Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. 
Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with that), 
I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, but I 
guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride them both 
back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to another new 
parent.

Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I can tell 
you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The extra 
load just adds to the stability.
Paul

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done but the 
brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I bought the Bebe 
because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs and a long torso and 
it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for bars with a lot of 
backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte and the 
one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may not be able to swing my 
leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on Rivendell step-thrus. I never 
intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's my long torso bike.
Laing

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
differences?
My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now using the 
Bebe to drag a copilot.
Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but another 
part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and really unlike 
anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it back if I let it go.
The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it feels 
like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents and carves 
corners without any skittishness.
If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track fun.
So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Joe Mullins]

Hey Paul,

I sent you an email but not sure if you got it. I’m a new a parent and while 
I’ve got other Rivs that I plan to use with a kid seat, I’ve definitely been 
curious to experience the Bebe with my baby! If you decide to pass it to a new 
parents, I’d love to chat with you about it.

Thanks,
Joe
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[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

[DavidP]

Thanks, Shoji - Cool to know there's another Riv (and Jones) rider in the 
area. I've got a 2013 diamond 29er frame myself. Something about Jones and 
Rivs going together I guess - hillibikes before the newer Rivs came along. 
I haven't ridden down to Battle Road yet, need to do that (Old North Bridge 
via the Reformatory Branch is part of a regular loop for me though).

Thanks, John - I'm glad to know you liked it and I hope others find it 
useful. For me the benefit of drop bars isn't just in the hand positions, 
it's equally in the changes in back angle that go along with those 
positions. A Jones bar helped me realize that back angle changes don't 
necessarily require drop bars. Interestingly enough there are also some 
bars that provide multiple hand positions with little to no change in back 
angle due to the combinations of reach, width, and drop at those positions  
(e.g. moustache bars).

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:33:32 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak wrote:

> David P
>
> Excellent description of your different hand positions & back angles on 
> the Rosco bar.  By far, the best write-up, I have ever saw.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
>> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
>> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
>> eke out a few more miles.
>>
>> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
>> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
>> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
>> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
>> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
>> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
>> bars.
>>
>> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
>> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
>> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
>> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
>> going yet zippy ride.
>>
>> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though 
>> even when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts 
>> me at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of 
>> the Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
>> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>>
>> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
>> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
>> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
>> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
>> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>>
>> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake 
>> lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back 
>> angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward 
>> flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with 
>> less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt 
>> I'll bother taping there.
>>
>> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at 
>> the bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in 
>> different places.
>>
>> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
>> twitchy.
>>
>> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
>> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
>> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
>> the 30t ring.
>>
>> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
>> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
>> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
>> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
>> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>>
>> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>>
>> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>>
>> [image: Bog-tree.jpg]
>> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
>> time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)
>>
>> [image: otter-slide.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Bog-deer.png]
>> (Excuse the poor photo - this guy was a ways off after he and two does 
>> dashed across the path in front of me.)
>>
>> [image: pine-point.jpg]
>>
>> -Dave (5'11"' on a 60cm Platy in Massachusetts)
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Joe Mullins]

Hey Paul,I sent you an email but not sure if you got it. I’m a new a parent and while I’ve got other Rivs that I plan to use with a kid seat, I’ve definitely been curious to experience the Bebe with my baby!Thanks,Joe MullinsVery Good Sound Company Inc.IATSE Local 695 Sound MixerRe-recording Mixerjmlmull...@gmail.com818-590-8377On Dec 2, 2022, at 8:13 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:I'm with you on that Hoch. I'm the third owner of a semi-custom Boulder All Road 650b. Aside from being a particularly special bike, it happens to fit like no other bike I've ever ridden. I've considered selling it several times, because I don't ride it much, and I've basically stopped riding drop bars anyway, but I know that if I'm going to own a drop bar road bike, it's the only one that will ever do, so it's staying, and I get it out 6 or 10 times a year for a 30 mile gravel ride and remember why I have it and how much fun a sporty bike that really fits is.It's actually a really similar situation to the Bebe bike. It's a really specialized bike for a specific purpose that I don't actually take part in (Brevets or Babies). So I'm not in a rush to replace it. Ideally I could send it out on loan locally to parents I know, but I don't have that kind of network these days.PaulOn Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:35:49 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:Ah, got it. Well, I’m sure you’ll find the Clem rides great. I had one for a bit and I liked it. That said, I had a bike years ago (Surly). Fit was amazing and I felt like I could pedal forever on it. I foolishly decided to sell it for another bike. I couldn’t get it to fit right so I bought another. But despite using the exact same components, I still couldn’t get it to fit like the original. Lesson learned, if you have a bike that rides and fits well, hold on to it.  On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:09:03 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:Hey Hoch,The fork is a Clem fork but I'm pretty sure the head tube angle is different, part of the way they made the effective top tube so long and gave it such good balance with a 30 lb load behind the handle bars.I don't really want to get rid of it or get a new bike, but I do want another parent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.PaulOn Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with that), I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, but I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride them both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to another new parent.Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I can tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The extra load just adds to the stability.PaulOn Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done but the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I bought the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs and a long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for bars with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's my long torso bike.LaingOn Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the differences?My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now using the Bebe to drag a copilot.Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it back if I let it go.The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents and carves corners without any skittishness.If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track fun.So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.Paul in AR



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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Richard Rose]

I am with you!Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:I’m a big fan of the White Ind external BBs. I have one on my Gus. Solidly built, MUSA, pretty colors and all that.On Dec 2, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:The Gus/Susie is a 73mm BB shell, so just one spacer on the drive side is needed. On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are coaxial and parallel when installed.Nick



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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Bill Lindsay]

For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
know and I can mail it to whomever.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>
> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

I'm with you on that Hoch. I'm the third owner of a semi-custom Boulder All 
Road 650b. Aside from being a particularly special bike, it happens to fit 
like no other bike I've ever ridden. I've considered selling it several 
times, because I don't ride it much, and I've basically stopped riding drop 
bars anyway, but I know that if I'm going to own a drop bar road bike, it's 
the only one that will ever do, so it's staying, and I get it out 6 or 10 
times a year for a 30 mile gravel ride and remember why I have it and how 
much fun a sporty bike that really fits is.

It's actually a really similar situation to the Bebe bike. It's a really 
specialized bike for a specific purpose that I don't actually take part in 
(Brevets or Babies). So I'm not in a rush to replace it. Ideally I could 
send it out on loan locally to parents I know, but I don't have that kind 
of network these days.

Paul

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:35:49 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Ah, got it. Well, I’m sure you’ll find the Clem rides great. I had one for 
> a bit and I liked it. 
>
> That said, I had a bike years ago (Surly). Fit was amazing and I felt like 
> I could pedal forever on it. I foolishly decided to sell it for another 
> bike. I couldn’t get it to fit right so I bought another. But despite using 
> the exact same components, I still couldn’t get it to fit like the 
> original. Lesson learned, if you have a bike that rides and fits well, hold 
> on to it.  
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:09:03 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Hey Hoch,
>> The fork is a Clem fork but I'm pretty sure the head tube angle is 
>> different, part of the way they made the effective top tube so long and 
>> gave it such good balance with a 30 lb load behind the handle bars.
>>
>> I don't really want to get rid of it or get a new bike, but I do want 
>> another parent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I 
>> had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a 
>> more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is 
>>> similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same 
>>> front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. 
>>>
>>> Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with 
>>> that), I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, 
 but I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride 
 them both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to 
 another new parent.

 Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I 
 can tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with 
 one. 
 The extra load just adds to the stability.

 Paul

 On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done 
> but the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I 
> bought the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs 
> and a long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through 
> for 
> bars with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
> Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I 
> may 
> not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
> Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, 
> it's 
> my long torso bike.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
>> the differences?
>>
>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>
>> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
>> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
>> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
>> back if I let it go.
>>
>> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really 
>> long effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that 
>> it 
>> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast 
>> descents 
>> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>>
>> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my 
>> kid hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy 
>> single 
>> track 

Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Richard Rose]

Yes, they are crazy expensive. I picked it up gently used for significantly less than that. The beauty of the crank - other than its looks - is that you can erase pedal strikes with a scotchbright pad.It currently is installed on the Ibis Mojo 3 that I own & love but now find uncomfortable. I rode rigid for many years before going full suspension & now find myself craving a bike that fits like my Clem but dedicated to singletrack. The Ibis also is equipped with Sram AXS shifter / derailleur which could find its way onto a new build. Those parts were also purchased at a very reduced price. Sometimes you get lucky? If I manage to sell the Mojo as is I will likely utilize Riv silver bits on the new build.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Ryan  wrote:Yikes...for 1099.00 USD  for crank arms sans chainrings I bet you want to use it, Richard!On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:03:19 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:I’m a big fan of the White Ind external BBs. I have one on my Gus. Solidly built, MUSA, pretty colors and all that.On Dec 2, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:The Gus/Susie is a 73mm BB shell, so just one spacer on the drive side is needed. On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are coaxial and parallel when installed.Nick



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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Ryan]

Yikes...for 1099.00 USD  for crank arms sans chainrings I bet you want to 
use it, Richard!

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:03:19 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m a big fan of the White Ind external BBs. I have one on my Gus. Solidly 
> built, MUSA, pretty colors and all that.
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> The Gus/Susie is a 73mm BB shell, so just one spacer on the drive side is 
> needed. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 
>> 2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather 
>> than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely 
>> worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are 
>> coaxial and parallel when installed.
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Hoch in ut]

Ah, got it. Well, I’m sure you’ll find the Clem rides great. I had one for 
a bit and I liked it. 

That said, I had a bike years ago (Surly). Fit was amazing and I felt like 
I could pedal forever on it. I foolishly decided to sell it for another 
bike. I couldn’t get it to fit right so I bought another. But despite using 
the exact same components, I still couldn’t get it to fit like the 
original. Lesson learned, if you have a bike that rides and fits well, hold 
on to it.  

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:09:03 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Hey Hoch,
> The fork is a Clem fork but I'm pretty sure the head tube angle is 
> different, part of the way they made the effective top tube so long and 
> gave it such good balance with a 30 lb load behind the handle bars.
>
> I don't really want to get rid of it or get a new bike, but I do want 
> another parent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I 
> had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a 
> more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is 
>> similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same 
>> front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. 
>>
>> Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with 
>> that), I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, 
>>> but I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride 
>>> them both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to 
>>> another new parent.
>>>
>>> Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I 
>>> can tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. 
>>> The extra load just adds to the stability.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done 
 but the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I 
 bought the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs 
 and a long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for 
 bars with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
 Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I 
 may 
 not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
 Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, 
 it's 
 my long torso bike.

 Laing

 On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
> the differences?
>
> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>
> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
> back if I let it go.
>
> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really 
> long effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that 
> it 
> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast 
> descents 
> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>
> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my 
> kid hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single 
> track fun.
>
> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>
> Paul in AR
>


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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Hoch,
The fork is a Clem fork but I'm pretty sure the head tube angle is 
different, part of the way they made the effective top tube so long and 
gave it such good balance with a 30 lb load behind the handle bars.

I don't really want to get rid of it or get a new bike, but I do want 
another parent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I 
had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a 
more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.

Paul

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is 
> similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same 
> front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. 
>
> Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with 
> that), I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. 
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, 
>> but I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride 
>> them both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to 
>> another new parent.
>>
>> Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I can 
>> tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The 
>> extra load just adds to the stability.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done 
>>> but the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I 
>>> bought the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs 
>>> and a long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for 
>>> bars with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
>>> Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may 
>>> not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
>>> Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's 
>>> my long torso bike.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
 the differences?

 My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
 using the Bebe to drag a copilot.

 Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
 another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
 really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
 back if I let it go.

 The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really 
 long effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that 
 it 
 feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
 and carves corners without any skittishness.

 If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my 
 kid hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single 
 track fun.

 So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.

 Paul in AR

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Hoch in ut]

I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is 
similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same 
front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. 

Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with 
that), I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, but 
> I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride them 
> both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to another 
> new parent.
>
> Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I can 
> tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The 
> extra load just adds to the stability.
>
> Paul
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>
>> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done 
>> but the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I 
>> bought the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs 
>> and a long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for 
>> bars with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
>> Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may 
>> not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
>> Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's 
>> my long torso bike.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
>>> the differences?
>>>
>>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>>
>>> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
>>> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
>>> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
>>> back if I let it go.
>>>
>>> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
>>> effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
>>> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
>>> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>>>
>>> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
>>> hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
>>> fun.
>>>
>>> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Blatant shoutout for Road Runner Bags

[Pat Smith]

Sure I'll pile on the Road Runner praise train. Got started with them 
buying through VO as others have mentioned. I now have the VOxRR saddle 
bag, a small Jammer, and a couple stem bags. Mostly I love they make 
everything in burgundy cordura so I can be all matchy matchy.

The only bag I haven't loved is my Jammer and that's only because I was 
trying to use it on a commuter bike. I was taking it off at every stop and 
it's a real hassle. As a bike packing bag where it just stays on the bike, 
however, it's AWESOME! Really want to get a pair of jumbo jammers to use as 
panniers on my bike camping bike but I think that's too much money to shell 
out.

While on the subject I also like my bags from Ortlieb, Restrap, Revelate, 
and Outer Shell :-)
Pat in DC who has waaay too many bike bags and not enough time to ride.

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:57:06 AM UTC-5 erik.s...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been buying from Road Runner since 2015. I have a medium rolltop 
> backpack, a couple tool rolls, a Jumbo Jammer for bikepacking, a Lil' Guy 
> fanny pack, and maybe one more. Whenever I use my rolltop backpack (~3-4 
> days a week) I think "damn, this thing is going to last my entire life." I 
> love the Jumbo Jammer. I use my Lil Guy almost daily for 6 years now. The 
> company's run by great people and I wholeheartedly recommend their bags.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 9:32:44 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Own a wide selection of Road Runner bags and they have been my go to for 
>> the last 5 years for sure.  Burrito bags, tool rolls, backpacks.  All great 
>> stuff!
>>
>> Don't miss the Comrad lightweight packable backpack.  I bike everywhere 
>> and travel everywhere with that packable bag.  Folds up and can fit into a 
>> bottle cage when not needed.
>>
>> Happy to hear the feedback on their camera strap as I was eyeballing it 
>> and currently roll with a Fuji X-T1.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:48:18 PM UTC-6 Esteban wrote:
>>
>>> I'll come out of infrequently lurking to second the quality of LA-based 
>>> Road Runner bags. I actually have their camera strap for my Fuji X-T2. 
>>> Excellent - simple, easily adjusted to fit snug to the body (I wear it in 
>>> the front). Great for smaller film cameras to keep it on Riv theme. Will 
>>> make my "tried and liked" list for 2022 I usually post on IG... maybe even 
>>> Best Material Good of the Year!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Sorry the pics are so 'inside on a rainy day' lame. I need to get 
 outside tomorrow and take better ones. It was cold! And rainy! 

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:59:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've bought and sold a few of these and really like them a lot..made 
> in Los Angeles, CA. USA! 
>
> This my new Burrito Bag (the small one) in turmeric (looks gold) and 
> pink on my dark blue Bike Friday. I think it would look great on a 
> Mermaid 
> Platypus, Appaloosa or Gus. Road Runner Bags, they're good! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>


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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, but 
I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride them 
both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to another 
new parent.

Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I can 
tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The 
extra load just adds to the stability.

Paul

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done but 
> the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I bought 
> the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs and a 
> long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for bars 
> with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
> Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may 
> not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
> Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's 
> my long torso bike.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
>> differences?
>>
>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>
>> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
>> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
>> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
>> back if I let it go.
>>
>> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
>> effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
>> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
>> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>>
>> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
>> hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
>> fun.
>>
>> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Blatant shoutout for Road Runner Bags

[Erik Wright]

I've been buying from Road Runner since 2015. I have a medium rolltop 
backpack, a couple tool rolls, a Jumbo Jammer for bikepacking, a Lil' Guy 
fanny pack, and maybe one more. Whenever I use my rolltop backpack (~3-4 
days a week) I think "damn, this thing is going to last my entire life." I 
love the Jumbo Jammer. I use my Lil Guy almost daily for 6 years now. The 
company's run by great people and I wholeheartedly recommend their bags.

Erik, Philly

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 9:32:44 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Own a wide selection of Road Runner bags and they have been my go to for 
> the last 5 years for sure.  Burrito bags, tool rolls, backpacks.  All great 
> stuff!
>
> Don't miss the Comrad lightweight packable backpack.  I bike everywhere 
> and travel everywhere with that packable bag.  Folds up and can fit into a 
> bottle cage when not needed.
>
> Happy to hear the feedback on their camera strap as I was eyeballing it 
> and currently roll with a Fuji X-T1.
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:48:18 PM UTC-6 Esteban wrote:
>
>> I'll come out of infrequently lurking to second the quality of LA-based 
>> Road Runner bags. I actually have their camera strap for my Fuji X-T2. 
>> Excellent - simple, easily adjusted to fit snug to the body (I wear it in 
>> the front). Great for smaller film cameras to keep it on Riv theme. Will 
>> make my "tried and liked" list for 2022 I usually post on IG... maybe even 
>> Best Material Good of the Year!
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry the pics are so 'inside on a rainy day' lame. I need to get 
>>> outside tomorrow and take better ones. It was cold! And rainy! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:59:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I've bought and sold a few of these and really like them a lot..made in 
 Los Angeles, CA. USA! 

 This my new Burrito Bag (the small one) in turmeric (looks gold) and 
 pink on my dark blue Bike Friday. I think it would look great on a Mermaid 
 Platypus, Appaloosa or Gus. Road Runner Bags, they're good! 

 Joe Bernard 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Brian Turner]

I’m a big fan of the White Ind external BBs. I have one on my Gus. Solidly built, MUSA, pretty colors and all that.On Dec 2, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:The Gus/Susie is a 73mm BB shell, so just one spacer on the drive side is needed. On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are coaxial and parallel when installed.Nick



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[RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Ryan Frahm]

The Gus/Susie is a 73mm BB shell, so just one spacer on the drive side is 
needed. 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 
> 2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather 
> than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely 
> worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are 
> coaxial and parallel when installed.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Nick Payne]

You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 
2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather 
than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely 
worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are 
coaxial and parallel when installed.

Nick

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