Re: [RBW] Flood Season Riding in CA

[Mike Godwin]

Jim

Don't forget that the impact by hydraulic mining in the 1860s-1875 or so, 
irreparably modified the American-Sacramento Rivers' inland delta by 
raising the streambed something like 15 feet, I've read. I think the 1862 
flood may have been slightly influenced by the hydromodification, however, 
no human settlement can withstand 30+ days of atmospheric rivers. Of 
course, by that time, the lower San Joaquin, Kings, Kern, Tule, Kaweah 
Rivers (Tule-San Joaquine basin) had nascent beginnings of modifications. 
The northern San Juaquin basin and Sac/American Rivs were certainly 
modified by then. (Say, anyone have historic meteorological data from 
1861-1862, how do ocean temps compare with what is happening now?)  

So much of the last 100 or so years, the flood stage is predicated on the 
man-made stream profile, in addition to engineering "improvements."  I 
suspect the river levees were constructed from the transported sediment 
from hydraulic mining, thus bringing the stream bed to pre-mining or deeper 
elevations. But then the levees constrained the bank width with later 
ramifications.  (When were the river flood stage weirs and bypasses 
constructed?)  During a related project in my consulting years, this paper 
came out highlighting the DoE accomplishments of cascading solutions needed 
to correct compounding problems. Closing_the_Circle_Report.pdf (energy.gov) 

 I 
see regional hydraulic modifications as similar large-scale challenges but 
less serious than radioactive waste. Rad waste is acute environmental 
health impacts, vs the delta and all of California's surface water plumbing 
are subject to multiple chronic risks.  

All yuze Sacramento Delta ibobs stay safe and on high ground this next 
week.  NOAA forecasts look pretty grim, at least here on the central coast. 
4-5 inches of rain in the next 2-3 days. 

Mike SLO CA 
On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 4:55:13 PM UTC-8 Rick Thompson wrote:

> We live in Fairfield and have friends who moved to the pocket area. There 
> is a standing arrangement that we can evacuate to their house in case of 
> fire and they can come to ours in case of flood. In the last few years we 
> are at Fire = 2 and Flood = 0, but we are keeping the guest room ready this 
> week.
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:11:56 AM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> The Sacramento-San Joaquin delta is just trying to return itself to its 
>> natural state, that's all.
>> Nearly 40 million humans and the engineers employed by their leaders 
>> prevent it from doing so, to the detriment of the natural environment.
>> Why don't we, as a species, just farm in places where it actually rains, 
>> as opposed to the Central Valley of California?
>> Maybe then there'd be enough water for all the city dwellers in LA and 
>> SF.  But what do I know.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin suburbs, TX
>> Oregon native, child of 2 California bay area natives.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:36 PM Collin A  wrote:
>>
>>> Brunchers,
>>>
>>> Happy "Storm" Season from Sacramento, currently sitting at a lovely 30 
>>> ft (average, NAVD88) with the nearby American River potentially cresting at 
>>> 40 ft if the current forecasts hold. This post may be a bit off-topic, but 
>>> it is riv/bike related because I have been doing some inspection rounds of 
>>> the levees on my Appaloosa, much to the confusion of my coworkers and the 
>>> public I see out there!
>>>
>>> Some Background:
>>> Like most of the rivers in California, the American River (and 
>>> Sacramento that the American feeds) is not a "natural" river and instead 
>>> dammed at several locations along it's length and constrained for hundreds 
>>> of miles by levees of varying levels of 'integrity.' The levees tend to 
>>> contribute to flood risk, somewhat counterintuitively, because they 
>>> constrain and limit how wide a river can go, thereby making the river run 
>>> narrower, taller, and faster and causing more flooding if (or rather when) 
>>> a levee breaks. The dams, specifically the Folsom Dam, serve to capture the 
>>> more erratic rainfall and stream flows and later release them over a longer 
>>> period to avoid damaging the levees and flooding the cities downstream. 
>>>
>>> Currently, Folsom is releasing about 190,000 gallons a second (or about 
>>> 1 olympic swimming pool every 3 seconds) in anticipation of the next 
>>> several storms to make sure there is enough space to capture all of that 
>>> water (before they have to release that volume gradually to then make space 
>>> for another big storm). They will likely continue to release more water as 
>>> the storms continue, and they are currently scheduled to release 40% more 
>>> starting tomorrow. For a point of reference, the levees are designed to 
>>> handle at least 4 times that am

[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 54 $1400

[Jonathan D.]

I like the 38s a lot. I don't have caliper to measure but didn't have an 
issue on the rims. You can't go much wider with the tires though and the 
frame.

On the bars, with the mustache I would definitely go short stem. I think so 
much depends on body type am not sure I could say how it changes the bike. 
I'll add some new photos once the storm passes. 


On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 4:43:04 PM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:

> Don't want to thread hijack but I was wondering how those tires felt on 
> the narrow mavic rims? do they measure close to 38?  I have older open pros 
> and I am considering those tires, I think the rim width is similar.
>
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:52:12 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3323.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> I am selling my 54 Roadini.  It was just built up and a great bike.  I 
>> just don't need it. I  would love to sell locally in Portland Oregon.  It 
>> has a different seat.  Might be open for a trade but not sure if I need 
>> another bike. I didn't tape the bars because if I keep it I'll switch the 
>> bars.
>>
>>
>> 2x9 setup 
>>
>> Sugino Crankset
>>
>> Dura-ace Rear Deraileur
>>
>> Sun Tour Front
>>
>> Dura Ace Bar end Shifters
>>
>> Nitro Stem 
>>
>> Origen Brakes
>>
>> Dura Ace Hubs with Magic Open Rims
>>
>> 38 Rene Herse/Compass Tires
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 54 $1400

[Jonathan D.]

I like the 38s a lot. I don't have caliper to measure but didn't have an 
issue on the rims. 


On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 4:43:04 PM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:

> Don't want to thread hijack but I was wondering how those tires felt on 
> the narrow mavic rims? do they measure close to 38?  I have older open pros 
> and I am considering those tires, I think the rim width is similar.
>
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:52:12 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3323.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> I am selling my 54 Roadini.  It was just built up and a great bike.  I 
>> just don't need it. I  would love to sell locally in Portland Oregon.  It 
>> has a different seat.  Might be open for a trade but not sure if I need 
>> another bike. I didn't tape the bars because if I keep it I'll switch the 
>> bars.
>>
>>
>> 2x9 setup 
>>
>> Sugino Crankset
>>
>> Dura-ace Rear Deraileur
>>
>> Sun Tour Front
>>
>> Dura Ace Bar end Shifters
>>
>> Nitro Stem 
>>
>> Origen Brakes
>>
>> Dura Ace Hubs with Magic Open Rims
>>
>> 38 Rene Herse/Compass Tires
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Extra tall vintage road frameset w/ short top tube

[Mitch]

hey! emailed you some options

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:21:45 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> My wishlist of a frameset is as-follows: 
>
>- Seattube C-C measuring 63-65cm 
>- Toptube C-C measuring 57-58cm 
>- 130/100 dropout spacing (126 is fine too)   
>- Lugged 531 or similarly light-ish steel  
>- Clearance for 28mm tires  
>
> I'm happy as a clam on my Waterford but it's only a 61cm frameset so 
> there's quite a bit of seatpost and quill stem showing but being the 
> not-so-flexible human that I am, it's tough finding taller frames with a 
> shorter toptube. If anyone has something they've long-since replaced with a 
> riv, I'd be very interested! 
>
> Cheers 
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Joe Bernard]

Apparently the fillets cost more to do, the Gus/Susie are already $250 more 
than the lugged frames and were going to go higher if they did another run. 
These are great frames, if money/opportunity ever lines up for me I'm going 
to grab a Gus. If you want one now and have the cash, buy it! 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 8:18:04 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Yeah, I guess the frame builders prefer making lugged framesets over 
> fillet brazing. Too bad, but looking forward to the bike Riv makes that’s 
> sorta between the Susie & Gus. 
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:32:22 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> If you read the current Rivendell Blahg (Grants blog) he mentions that 
>> the last fillet brazed Hillibikes, the Gus & Susie shipment that just 
>> arrived, will be it for that those models being made. So last chance at 
>> owning a beautiful ATB frameset.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 22 for 2022

[DavidP]

J - Yeah,  I'm in Chelmsford (just south of Lowell). It's a pretty standard 
NE suburban area but one thing this part of MA does well is having lots of 
public "open space" land dotted throughout various towns. None of them are 
very large but you can string them together and make some great loops.

My 22 were all in Google photos so I made an album there and then took a 
screen shot (pretty similar to the landing page for Paul's flickr album).

-Dave

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 11:05:57 PM UTC-5 J wrote:

> DavidP-  your area looks like really great riding. I'd been wondering 
> where you were from your pics and suspeted the NE and I see now it Mass. I 
> drove up to Connecticut for the first time two Octobers ago for the Nutmeg 
> Nor'Easter and really fell for that area of the country. Can't wait to get 
> back up north for more riding. Also, good job on the pic collage. Not sure 
> how you did it.
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:16:59 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> Thanks! What fun to see them all together as in a poster*!  *Enjoy that 
>> Platypus.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:34:46 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Great idea for a thread, Paul - I'm looking forward to seeing all the 
>>> photos!
>>>
>>> Here's a snapshot of my 22 all in one image - you can click on the 
>>> attachment for the full size version. 
>>> You can see that the Platypus was a great inspiration to ride and take 
>>> photos as it is in fully half of them even though I've only been riding it 
>>> since November.
>>>
>>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:35:07 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 *(I've posted this on the i-BOB list too, so forgive me):*
 My favorite 22 bike related images for 2022. (Oops, as hard as I tried, 
 2 dozen was as close as I could get, so I cheated):
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305087997
 The hardest part was to keep it fairly strictly bike related and 
 bike-trip related. Both of my Rivendells are a major part of the album, 
 but 
 a few others are in the mix.
 What's yours?
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Luke Hendrickson]

Yeah, I guess the frame builders prefer making lugged framesets over fillet 
brazing. Too bad, but looking forward to the bike Riv makes that’s sorta 
between the Susie & Gus. 

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:32:22 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> If you read the current Rivendell Blahg (Grants blog) he mentions that the 
> last fillet brazed Hillibikes, the Gus & Susie shipment that just arrived, 
> will be it for that those models being made. So last chance at owning a 
> beautiful ATB frameset.

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[RBW] Re: 22 for 2022

[J]

DavidP-  your area looks like really great riding. I'd been wondering where 
you were from your pics and suspeted the NE and I see now it Mass. I drove 
up to Connecticut for the first time two Octobers ago for the Nutmeg 
Nor'Easter and really fell for that area of the country. Can't wait to get 
back up north for more riding. Also, good job on the pic collage. Not sure 
how you did it.

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:16:59 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Dave,
> Thanks! What fun to see them all together as in a poster*!  *Enjoy that 
> Platypus.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:34:46 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Great idea for a thread, Paul - I'm looking forward to seeing all the 
>> photos!
>>
>> Here's a snapshot of my 22 all in one image - you can click on the 
>> attachment for the full size version. 
>> You can see that the Platypus was a great inspiration to ride and take 
>> photos as it is in fully half of them even though I've only been riding it 
>> since November.
>>
>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:35:07 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> *(I've posted this on the i-BOB list too, so forgive me):*
>>> My favorite 22 bike related images for 2022. (Oops, as hard as I tried, 
>>> 2 dozen was as close as I could get, so I cheated):
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305087997
>>> The hardest part was to keep it fairly strictly bike related and 
>>> bike-trip related. Both of my Rivendells are a major part of the album, but 
>>> a few others are in the mix.
>>> What's yours?
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Paul M]

If you read the current Rivendell Blahg (Grants blog) he mentions that the 
last fillet brazed Hillibikes, the Gus & Susie shipment that just arrived, 
will be it for that those models being made. So last chance at owning a 
beautiful ATB frameset.

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[RBW] Re: 22 for 2022

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dave,
Thanks! What fun to see them all together as in a poster*!  *Enjoy that 
Platypus.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:34:46 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Great idea for a thread, Paul - I'm looking forward to seeing all the 
> photos!
>
> Here's a snapshot of my 22 all in one image - you can click on the 
> attachment for the full size version. 
> You can see that the Platypus was a great inspiration to ride and take 
> photos as it is in fully half of them even though I've only been riding it 
> since November.
>
> -Dave (near Boston)
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:35:07 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> *(I've posted this on the i-BOB list too, so forgive me):*
>> My favorite 22 bike related images for 2022. (Oops, as hard as I tried, 2 
>> dozen was as close as I could get, so I cheated):
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305087997
>> The hardest part was to keep it fairly strictly bike related and 
>> bike-trip related. Both of my Rivendells are a major part of the album, but 
>> a few others are in the mix.
>> What's yours?
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Piaw Na]

Get well! I've been riding, getting stuff in between the bouts of rain here 
in the Bay Area. We did a ride today, but I wasn't on my Roadini, since 
with all the mud off pavement I wasn't going to try riding off pavement 
today.  With trees and power lines down here and there, there are lots of 
road closures, but of course whenever I see one of those road closures, I 
always take the road because that means there are no cars. Today's ride 
went through a road that was closed because of a downed tree. Big problem 
for cars, no problems for 
cyclists: 
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/20mdGi-mTmqLNt3CzgepPg.UPriPwYAeuySDvHIUr8fF2
  
(sorry, you'll have to login or create an account with amazon to see the 
photos). Strava link: https://www.strava.com/activities/8361168853

With all the rain that's been forecast it doesn't look like I'll be riding 
off pavement until at least February.

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 2:57:41 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> Travel, severe respiratory infection (not COVID, flu, or RSV, thankfully), 
> and this is the best I can do for my first ride of 2023. I'll do better 
> soon, promise.
> [image: IMG_0925.jpeg]
>
> Ted Durant
> The Cupboard Under The Stairs
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] WTB: Extra tall vintage road frameset w/ short top tube

[Andrew Turner]

My wishlist of a frameset is as-follows: 

   - Seattube C-C measuring 63-65cm 
   - Toptube C-C measuring 57-58cm 
   - 130/100 dropout spacing (126 is fine too)   
   - Lugged 531 or similarly light-ish steel  
   - Clearance for 28mm tires  

I'm happy as a clam on my Waterford but it's only a 61cm frameset so 
there's quite a bit of seatpost and quill stem showing but being the 
not-so-flexible human that I am, it's tough finding taller frames with a 
shorter toptube. If anyone has something they've long-since replaced with a 
riv, I'd be very interested! 

Cheers 
Andrew

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Re: [RBW] Flood Season Riding in CA

[Rick Thompson]

We live in Fairfield and have friends who moved to the pocket area. There 
is a standing arrangement that we can evacuate to their house in case of 
fire and they can come to ours in case of flood. In the last few years we 
are at Fire = 2 and Flood = 0, but we are keeping the guest room ready this 
week.

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:11:56 AM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:

> The Sacramento-San Joaquin delta is just trying to return itself to its 
> natural state, that's all.
> Nearly 40 million humans and the engineers employed by their leaders 
> prevent it from doing so, to the detriment of the natural environment.
> Why don't we, as a species, just farm in places where it actually rains, 
> as opposed to the Central Valley of California?
> Maybe then there'd be enough water for all the city dwellers in LA and 
> SF.  But what do I know.
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
> Oregon native, child of 2 California bay area natives.
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:36 PM Collin A  wrote:
>
>> Brunchers,
>>
>> Happy "Storm" Season from Sacramento, currently sitting at a lovely 30 ft 
>> (average, NAVD88) with the nearby American River potentially cresting at 40 
>> ft if the current forecasts hold. This post may be a bit off-topic, but it 
>> is riv/bike related because I have been doing some inspection rounds of the 
>> levees on my Appaloosa, much to the confusion of my coworkers and the 
>> public I see out there!
>>
>> Some Background:
>> Like most of the rivers in California, the American River (and Sacramento 
>> that the American feeds) is not a "natural" river and instead dammed at 
>> several locations along it's length and constrained for hundreds of miles 
>> by levees of varying levels of 'integrity.' The levees tend to contribute 
>> to flood risk, somewhat counterintuitively, because they constrain and 
>> limit how wide a river can go, thereby making the river run narrower, 
>> taller, and faster and causing more flooding if (or rather when) a levee 
>> breaks. The dams, specifically the Folsom Dam, serve to capture the more 
>> erratic rainfall and stream flows and later release them over a longer 
>> period to avoid damaging the levees and flooding the cities downstream. 
>>
>> Currently, Folsom is releasing about 190,000 gallons a second (or about 1 
>> olympic swimming pool every 3 seconds) in anticipation of the next several 
>> storms to make sure there is enough space to capture all of that water 
>> (before they have to release that volume gradually to then make space for 
>> another big storm). They will likely continue to release more water as the 
>> storms continue, and they are currently scheduled to release 40% more 
>> starting tomorrow. For a point of reference, the levees are designed to 
>> handle at least 4 times that amount, and the dam is designed for another 5 
>> times more!
>>
>> Bike Stuff:
>> I managed to get a ride out before this most recent storm and got a few 
>> photos of condition of the river paths and river itself. I'll be doing a 
>> similar lap early next week when the river rises another 10 feet or so and 
>> will likely try to make it a weekly occurrence as long as the storms keep 
>> up and I don't get called to an emergency response.
>> [image: PXL_20230103_183538984.jpg]
>> One of the boat ramps underneath Howe Ave, currently under water.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230103_183305652.jpg]
>> Looking downstream from Watt Ave bridge
>>
>> Resources for those in the area related to forecasting:
>> River forecasts: CNRFC - California Nevada River Forecast Center 
>> (noaa.gov) 
>> Reservoir Release Schedules: CDEC - LastRes (ca.gov) 
>>  
>>
>> Stay safe out there,
>> Collin in Floodramento
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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 54 $1400

[jamin orrall]

Don't want to thread hijack but I was wondering how those tires felt on 
the narrow mavic rims? do they measure close to 38?  I have older open pros 
and I am considering those tires, I think the rim width is similar.

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:52:12 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:

> [image: IMG_3323.jpeg]
>
>
> I am selling my 54 Roadini.  It was just built up and a great bike.  I 
> just don't need it. I  would love to sell locally in Portland Oregon.  It 
> has a different seat.  Might be open for a trade but not sure if I need 
> another bike. I didn't tape the bars because if I keep it I'll switch the 
> bars.
>
>
> 2x9 setup 
>
> Sugino Crankset
>
> Dura-ace Rear Deraileur
>
> Sun Tour Front
>
> Dura Ace Bar end Shifters
>
> Nitro Stem 
>
> Origen Brakes
>
> Dura Ace Hubs with Magic Open Rims
>
> 38 Rene Herse/Compass Tires
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 54 $1400

[Doug H.]

Does the stem length work better with the drops?
Doug

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:29:41 PM UTC-5 Jonathan D. wrote:

> Bump. It does have drop bars.
>
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I might try to switch it to drops this weekend or next.  I appreciate the 
>> advice Bill.  The stem is also currently to long for the Albastasche.  
>>
>> A couple of questions that came up:
>>
>> The bike pictured currently has 38 mm Rene Here (Compass) tires.  I think 
>> it could easily fit 33s with Fenders.
>> My PBH is 85 and the bike fits well but on the small end for me.  My 58 
>> Ram fits bigger.  
>>
>> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like the Roadini has TRP RRL brakelevers on it.  Setting up 
>>> brake levers on Albastache (and similar) handlebars is a touch tricky, and 
>>> 'ergonomic' brake levers like the RRLs are in a way worse for Albastache 
>>> type bars, in my opinion.  They flare "out" on drop bars and make them 
>>> easier to grab from a couple different positions on drop bars.  When you 
>>> put them on Albastache bars, they now flare "up" which is weird on the 
>>> wrists.  
>>>
>>> I use SRAM brake levers on Albastache bars, and on a whim, I set them up 
>>> swapped.  Trade them left with right and now the lever blades flare "down" 
>>> and it's a lot better grab.  Since the bars are not taped in the photos, 
>>> I'd recommend your prospective buyer flip them.  If you want to do your 
>>> buyer a favor and want to have a small project, try them swapped.  
>>>
>>> The place the cables exit the levers is now 'on top' which is a little 
>>> unusual, but in my opinion that's fine.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:52:12 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_3323.jpeg]


 I am selling my 54 Roadini.  It was just built up and a great bike.  I 
 just don't need it. I  would love to sell locally in Portland Oregon.  It 
 has a different seat.  Might be open for a trade but not sure if I need 
 another bike. I didn't tape the bars because if I keep it I'll switch the 
 bars.


 2x9 setup 

 Sugino Crankset

 Dura-ace Rear Deraileur

 Sun Tour Front

 Dura Ace Bar end Shifters

 Nitro Stem 

 Origen Brakes

 Dura Ace Hubs with Magic Open Rims

 38 Rene Herse/Compass Tires












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[RBW] FS: Herse crank, Brooks, Ribbit brakes, Nitto bits, bottle cages, and other choice parts

[Daniel]

Prices do *not *include shipping. Pick up is in SoCal. Shipping is not a 
problem but might take a day or two and will be at cost. Open to offers if 
you think I'm off base. Fotos here: link 


   1. Randy Herse 177mm 44/30 double w/ 15mm Jan bolts $375
   2. Dura Ace 9 speed index DT levers $80
   3. Cockpit...Nitto Noodles (44cm), VO/Grand Cru steel stem (9cm), brass 
   bell, black tape, Tektro levers $120
   4. Suntour Cyclone mk1 FD $20
   5. Dura Ace 700 GS (big pulley version) $120
   6. Riv Ribbit brakes (F+R) with (new) Kool Stop Dual Compound Eagle 2 
   pads $75
   7. Brooks C-15 Carved $50
   8. VO 1" decaleur $20
   9. Ritchey SPD 2-bolt pedals (no cleats) $20
   10. Wolf tooth Morse Code $25
   11. Nitto bottle cages (2 available) $65 /ea
   12. King Iris $20
   13. Gran Compe ENE 27.2 post (~11cm above the zip zags) $40

Daniel
Yorba Linda, CA

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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Ted Durant]

Sorry, guess I should have posted that to the First Ride of 2023 thread  !

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 4:57:41 PM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> Travel, severe respiratory infection (not COVID, flu, or RSV, thankfully), 
> and this is the best I can do for my first ride of 2023. I'll do better 
> soon, promise.
> Ted Durant
> The Cupboard Under The Stairs
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Patrick Moore]

That 1994 Gazette is a blast from the past; I remember receiving it and
reading about Pino Morroni as I was probably Bob # 4301. Randy Quaid and
Meg Ryan owned XO-1s; I either missed that 30 years ago or didn't know who
Randy Quaid or Meg Ryan were -- quite possible. And I remember WordPerfect;
possibly Wordstar too.

Thanks to Marty for scanning these.

$74 for a Rivendell jersey

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 11:42 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Hi Kim — Yes, that's all of them. Big thanks to Marty Gierke for scanning
> all of them :)
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Is this all of the BOB Gazettes ?
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/BOB-Gazette/
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:16:41 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It sure would be great to have all the BoB Gazettes scanned and archived!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 10:55:42 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke,
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 Some rare BOB Gazettes popped up today and I made an offer, but the
 seller pulled the listing. Issues 5,6 and 7 would have been fun to have and
 scan. I hope they will re-surface here. I grabbed a few front page screen
 shots - better than nothing, and kind of a tease. Issue 6 talks about
 keeping BOB on life support. Issue 7 (the last?) hints at a business making
 "BOBcyles". This was late 1994...Rivendell was about to emerge.

 Marty

 [image: s-l1600.jpeg]
 [image: dfsdfg.jpeg]
 [image: fawerr.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 12:49:58 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hi all -- Quick update: I've scanned some additional material and Reed
> has added it to the Rivendell archive at http://notfine.com/rivendell
>
> Brochures
>
>- Rivendell Safety Sheet
>- Sam Hillborne brochure
>- The Rivendell Frame booklet 2002
>
> Flyers
>
>- 2000 Hiawatha Holidays
>- 2008 Frames
>- 2012 Comfort
>- 2014 Holiday Handout
>- 2017 Holiday Flyer
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-4 EricP wrote:
>
>> I have already mailed the Hillborne brochure and the small fold up
>> catalog to Eric for him to scan.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:35:44 AM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>> Eric - that is a wonderful contribution.
>>>
>>> I don't think I ever got a Cheviot brochure, and I have the Hiawatha
>>> Holidays No. II, but not No. 1
>>>
>>> I've got a few ephemeral bits and bobs, on my list to scan - just
>>> flipped quickly through my box o' stuff and found:
>>> Original Banana Bag instructions (similar in style to the Boxy Bag
>>> instructions), some WoolyWarm stuff, a few one sheets on various bits.
>>> There was also a tiny little fold-up products "catalog" that I have a 
>>> few
>>> of. A few paper Atlantis catalog handouts.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7
>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of
 Rivendell catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures.

 Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at
 http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the
 site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera.

 He created a new link (the old one still works!):
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/

 Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have
 anything that we haven't included please send me a DM.


- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
- Frame brochures
   - 1995 frames mailer
   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
   - Rambouillet
   - Romulus
   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
   - An early frame paint chart
   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
- Flyers
   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
- Ads
   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
   - A 2014 Cheviot ad


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[RBW] 22 for 2022

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*(I've posted this on the i-BOB list too, so forgive me):*
My favorite 22 bike related images for 2022. (Oops, as hard as I tried, 2 
dozen was as close as I could get, so I cheated):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305087997
The hardest part was to keep it fairly strictly bike related and bike-trip 
related. Both of my Rivendells are a major part of the album, but a few 
others are in the mix.
What's yours?
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadini

[Doug H.]

I just saw your for sale post. Looks nice, I'll send you a message.
Doug

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:28:56 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Jonathan,
> That might work. Can you send me details and photos in a private message?
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:26 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:
>
> I have a 54 for sale but it's complete. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a 54 cm Roadini they would like to sell? I'm thinking of 
>> setting one up as a single speed.
>> Doug
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Kim Hetzel]

Great to hear that Eric.

Kim Hetzel.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, 10:42 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Hi Kim — Yes, that's all of them. Big thanks to Marty Gierke for scanning
> all of them :)
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Is this all of the BOB Gazettes ?
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/BOB-Gazette/
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:16:41 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It sure would be great to have all the BoB Gazettes scanned and archived!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 10:55:42 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke,
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 Some rare BOB Gazettes popped up today and I made an offer, but the
 seller pulled the listing. Issues 5,6 and 7 would have been fun to have and
 scan. I hope they will re-surface here. I grabbed a few front page screen
 shots - better than nothing, and kind of a tease. Issue 6 talks about
 keeping BOB on life support. Issue 7 (the last?) hints at a business making
 "BOBcyles". This was late 1994...Rivendell was about to emerge.

 Marty

 [image: s-l1600.jpeg]
 [image: dfsdfg.jpeg]
 [image: fawerr.jpeg]

 On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 12:49:58 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hi all -- Quick update: I've scanned some additional material and Reed
> has added it to the Rivendell archive at http://notfine.com/rivendell
>
> Brochures
>
>- Rivendell Safety Sheet
>- Sam Hillborne brochure
>- The Rivendell Frame booklet 2002
>
> Flyers
>
>- 2000 Hiawatha Holidays
>- 2008 Frames
>- 2012 Comfort
>- 2014 Holiday Handout
>- 2017 Holiday Flyer
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-4 EricP wrote:
>
>> I have already mailed the Hillborne brochure and the small fold up
>> catalog to Eric for him to scan.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:35:44 AM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>> Eric - that is a wonderful contribution.
>>>
>>> I don't think I ever got a Cheviot brochure, and I have the Hiawatha
>>> Holidays No. II, but not No. 1
>>>
>>> I've got a few ephemeral bits and bobs, on my list to scan - just
>>> flipped quickly through my box o' stuff and found:
>>> Original Banana Bag instructions (similar in style to the Boxy Bag
>>> instructions), some WoolyWarm stuff, a few one sheets on various bits.
>>> There was also a tiny little fold-up products "catalog" that I have a 
>>> few
>>> of. A few paper Atlantis catalog handouts.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7
>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of
 Rivendell catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures.

 Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at
 http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the
 site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera.

 He created a new link (the old one still works!):
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/

 Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have
 anything that we haven't included please send me a DM.


- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
- Frame brochures
   - 1995 frames mailer
   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
   - Rambouillet
   - Romulus
   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
   - An early frame paint chart
   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
- Flyers
   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
- Ads
   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
   - A 2014 Cheviot ad


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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Eric Marth]

Hi Kim — Yes, that's all of them. Big thanks to Marty Gierke for scanning 
all of them :) 

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Is this all of the BOB Gazettes ?
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/BOB-Gazette/
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 9:16:41 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It sure would be great to have all the BoB Gazettes scanned and archived!
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 10:55:42 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> Some rare BOB Gazettes popped up today and I made an offer, but the 
>>> seller pulled the listing. Issues 5,6 and 7 would have been fun to have and 
>>> scan. I hope they will re-surface here. I grabbed a few front page screen 
>>> shots - better than nothing, and kind of a tease. Issue 6 talks about 
>>> keeping BOB on life support. Issue 7 (the last?) hints at a business making 
>>> "BOBcyles". This was late 1994...Rivendell was about to emerge. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpeg]
>>> [image: dfsdfg.jpeg]
>>> [image: fawerr.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 12:49:58 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all -- Quick update: I've scanned some additional material and Reed 
 has added it to the Rivendell archive at http://notfine.com/rivendell

 Brochures

- Rivendell Safety Sheet
- Sam Hillborne brochure
- The Rivendell Frame booklet 2002

 Flyers

- 2000 Hiawatha Holidays
- 2008 Frames
- 2012 Comfort
- 2014 Holiday Handout
- 2017 Holiday Flyer


 On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-4 EricP wrote:

> I have already mailed the Hillborne brochure and the small fold up 
> catalog to Eric for him to scan.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:35:44 AM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow. 
>> Eric - that is a wonderful contribution.
>>
>> I don't think I ever got a Cheviot brochure, and I have the Hiawatha 
>> Holidays No. II, but not No. 1
>>
>> I've got a few ephemeral bits and bobs, on my list to scan - just 
>> flipped quickly through my box o' stuff and found:
>> Original Banana Bag instructions (similar in style to the Boxy Bag 
>> instructions), some WoolyWarm stuff, a few one sheets on various bits.  
>> There was also a tiny little fold-up products "catalog" that I have a 
>> few 
>> of. A few paper Atlantis catalog handouts. 
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of 
>>> Rivendell catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>>>
>>> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
>>> site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>>>
>>> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>>
>>> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
>>> anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>>>
>>>
>>>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>>>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>>>- Frame brochures
>>>   - 1995 frames mailer
>>>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>>>   - Rambouillet
>>>   - Romulus
>>>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>>>   - An early frame paint chart
>>>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>>>- Flyers
>>>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>>>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>>>- Ads
>>>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>>>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: New 57cm Roadini Frameset (Orange) + headset, 559 brakes, Nitto seatpost

[Andrew Turner]

I bought the frameset new from Riv a month ago but after 50 miles of riding 
I simply do not enjoy the way it rides compared to my other road bike so 
I'm casting this one back out. It's got the FSA headset installed with some 
pewter headset spacers from BlueLug, new Tektro 559 brake callipers and a 
new Nitto S65 300mm seatpost. There's a few paint nicks I gave it because 
I'm a sloppy mechanic and installing fenders was a wrestling match, but 
nothing serious or all that visible.  

I'm pretty bummed it didn't work out for me but I hope it finds a new home! 

Asking $1375 which will include shipping, DM if you want pics 

Cheers, 
Andrew

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 54 $1400

[Jonathan D.]

Bump. It does have drop bars.

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:27:15 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:

> I might try to switch it to drops this weekend or next.  I appreciate the 
> advice Bill.  The stem is also currently to long for the Albastasche.  
>
> A couple of questions that came up:
>
> The bike pictured currently has 38 mm Rene Here (Compass) tires.  I think 
> it could easily fit 33s with Fenders.
> My PBH is 85 and the bike fits well but on the small end for me.  My 58 
> Ram fits bigger.  
>
> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> It looks like the Roadini has TRP RRL brakelevers on it.  Setting up 
>> brake levers on Albastache (and similar) handlebars is a touch tricky, and 
>> 'ergonomic' brake levers like the RRLs are in a way worse for Albastache 
>> type bars, in my opinion.  They flare "out" on drop bars and make them 
>> easier to grab from a couple different positions on drop bars.  When you 
>> put them on Albastache bars, they now flare "up" which is weird on the 
>> wrists.  
>>
>> I use SRAM brake levers on Albastache bars, and on a whim, I set them up 
>> swapped.  Trade them left with right and now the lever blades flare "down" 
>> and it's a lot better grab.  Since the bars are not taped in the photos, 
>> I'd recommend your prospective buyer flip them.  If you want to do your 
>> buyer a favor and want to have a small project, try them swapped.  
>>
>> The place the cables exit the levers is now 'on top' which is a little 
>> unusual, but in my opinion that's fine.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:52:12 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_3323.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> I am selling my 54 Roadini.  It was just built up and a great bike.  I 
>>> just don't need it. I  would love to sell locally in Portland Oregon.  It 
>>> has a different seat.  Might be open for a trade but not sure if I need 
>>> another bike. I didn't tape the bars because if I keep it I'll switch the 
>>> bars.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2x9 setup 
>>>
>>> Sugino Crankset
>>>
>>> Dura-ace Rear Deraileur
>>>
>>> Sun Tour Front
>>>
>>> Dura Ace Bar end Shifters
>>>
>>> Nitro Stem 
>>>
>>> Origen Brakes
>>>
>>> Dura Ace Hubs with Magic Open Rims
>>>
>>> 38 Rene Herse/Compass Tires
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadini

[Doug Hansford]

Jonathan,That might work. Can you send me details and photos in a private message?DougSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 12:26 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:I have a 54 for sale but it's complete. On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Does anyone have a 54 cm Roadini they would like to sell? I'm thinking of setting one up as a single speed.Doug



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[RBW] Re: WTB: Roadini

[Jonathan D.]

I have a 54 for sale but it's complete. 

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Does anyone have a 54 cm Roadini they would like to sell? I'm thinking of 
> setting one up as a single speed.
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Some really nice Rivendell wool…

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have issues with profiteers and as much as I might want something refuse 
to buy from them.  I guess it is the way of the world.  For the most part 
on the forum and iBob we don’t see much of that.  I still regret selling 
most of my ibex wools here but I know they went to good homes.  

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:

> …for the smaller among us. I love the color, would have bought the jersey 
> if its fit favored my body.
>
> Dave, who has no connection whatsoever with the seller
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155338119505?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xVErmBxvSyK&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=8RYRb3KuTHC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Dorothy C]

Sorry for the sideways photos

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:29:51 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> Mine aren’t so glamorous as the beautiful shots others have posted in this 
> thread, but this was my Tuesday night ride this past week to catch the LA 
> Metrolink train from Chatstworth to Simi Valley. I had needed the pannier 
> to stow my small desktop tower PC to take it back in to work after our Xmas 
> break, when I briefly have to check the systems each day.  Bike is a small 
> Clem, bought as a frame and built up by me.
> A scene of unusual rain in SoCal.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:23:53 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> Oh  those are lovely Moonlight photos Takashi !  I agree that about 
>> riding by Moonlight ... really just being outdoors in some/any place quiet 
>> is itself magical. Better to have driven there that to not be there at all 
>> :-)
>>
>> I like to call such illumination "The Midnight Sun"  as truly ... The 
>> Sun never sleeps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:31:06 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:
>>
>>> Moon was shining so brightly last night that I decided to revisit 
>>> Shirakawa and take photos of ice pillars in moonlight.
>>>
>>> To be honest, I "cheated" this time - drove my car to the place and rode 
>>> my bike around for a short distance.
>>> It was a fun ride though. Riding alone in moonlight, very silent, 
>>> enjoying beautiful scenery. 
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Garth]

Oh  those are lovely Moonlight photos Takashi !  I agree that about 
riding by Moonlight ... really just being outdoors in some/any place quiet 
is itself magical. Better to have driven there that to not be there at all 
:-)

I like to call such illumination "The Midnight Sun"  as truly ... The 
Sun never sleeps.



On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:31:06 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:

> Moon was shining so brightly last night that I decided to revisit 
> Shirakawa and take photos of ice pillars in moonlight.
>
> To be honest, I "cheated" this time - drove my car to the place and rode 
> my bike around for a short distance.
> It was a fun ride though. Riding alone in moonlight, very silent, enjoying 
> beautiful scenery. 
>
 

> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Takashi]

Leah,
Thank you for the video, your Platypus with lots of lights is so fabulous!
It sure looks like Michigan is a tough place to ride bikes when there is 
heavy snowfall.
As someone commented cross country skiing might be fun.
Here's a photo from last year:
https://flic.kr/p/2mZYVer

Paul,
Thank you. It's natural that higher, mountainous places get more snowfall.
West Virginia has more mountains? Now I understand why John Denver sang 
"West Virginia, Mountain Mama..."

Dave,
I agree with Eric, your photos are great!
" Sorry for the number of photo"
No, not at all. The more photos the better.
I scrolled through your Instagram posts, they're all beautiful!

John,
The monochrome-ish photo is a genuine "Winter Photo."
Maybe it's the high latitude that makes daytime shorter than in most places?

Eric,
It's same in Japan that places where there is little snowfall don't have 
infrastructure to handle snow.
Two inches of snow turns Tokyo into a chaos.


Takashi

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