Re: [RBW] FS/FT

[Edward Garnica]

Pedals sold. Lowering price of handlebars.

75 local pickup

80 plus 20 shipping for outside the bay area

also thanks for all the private messages with bar advice

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:16:11 AM UTC-8 John Johnson wrote:

> Hello Edward,
>
> When you say the bars go in too much, do you mean you're looking for more 
> width? Or something with less backsweep?
>
> I love the Toscos for general riding/bit offroad. But there are a million 
> bars out there and whatbars.com is a great resource. 
>
> Otherwise I'll but the pedals if you still have 'em.
>
> I'll send you a PM for that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 3:42:31 AM UTC+1 edwardb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG-7856.jpg]
>> [image: IMG-7855.jpg]
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 6:28 PM Edward Garnica  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ya'll,
>>>
>>> For sale I have:
>>>
>>> heat treated Nitto B352AA albatross 
>>>
>>> 90 + 20/shipping or 85 local pickup in the bay area
>>>
>>> *MKS* PAMBDA BL special pedal
>>>
>>> 30 + 5/shipping or 25 local pickup in the bay area
>>>
>>>
>>> **both used for about two months. Pedals have hit some rocks but are in 
>>> great condition. 
>>>
>>> Also if anyone can recommend handlebar replacements?? I really like 
>>> these but I feel like they go in a bit more than I'd like and I want 
>>> something more stable when going downhill in rough terrain. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’d like to take this opportunity to enthusiastically support the use of 
mudflaps, in particular the leather variety from Gilles Berthoud. So sick. 

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:15:59 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> I fitted VO 700 x 63mm mudguards (they actually measure 63.5mm wide) to my 
> Appaloosa. They just fit with only a fraction of a millimetre clearance 
> each side where they pass between the fork blades - I fitted plastic frame 
> protector dots on the inside of the fork blades each side to prevent the 
> paint being worn off by the fender. 
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell gravel bike

[George Schick]

Patrick - why did you decide to terminate the SA shift cable at a lever 
mounted on the top tube instead of running it into a housing and up to the 
bars?  Squeamishly, I detect a potential groin injury from that location.


On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:10:38 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Or, garvel biek, as BSNYC would say (he's grossly profane, but I like him 
> because he rigorously adheres to H. L. Mencken's dictum, that "One belly 
> laugh is worth 10,000 syllogisms").
>
> Anyway, I decided to play hooky from work and instead put the new pair of 
> RH Naches Pass extralights onto the ultra-narrow Sun M14A rims (19 mm OW) 
> with 650B tubes for 2" tires -- listed for 1.5" to 2", but fatter and a 
> great deal bigger in circumference than my Schwalbe 26" X 1.8" ultralight 
> tubes. As usual, the 25% superfluous circumference let itself be stuffed 
> into the still-flat tire casings, and I got them properly seated without 
> more than minor suffering. I added about 2 fl oz of OS Regular to each tube.
>
> The new 1.8"/42mm tires measure 1.52"/38.5 mm on the skinny rims (with use 
> and on 21 mm OW rims they measure a true 42 mm); good thing, too because 
> while there is plenty of room under the single pivot caliper in front, 
> there's not very much room at the chainstays for much swelling.
>
> The rear wheel is built around the NOS 1937 Sturmey Archer TF hub, and I 
> installed an 18 t cog for 74" direct and 55" low. High/direct is slightly 
> lower than the Phil fixed wheel 76" gear, but the 55" gear ought to do well 
> on ditchbank trails and Conservancy District roads where the sand builds 
> up. 39 mm is pretty damned narrow for sand.
>
> It was getting dark and I was only able to ride it up and down the block, 
> but I hope to try it out on our ditchbank paths on Sunday. Will report.
>
> Statutory fuzzy shot against garage door attached.
>
> Ian, photo and report with the closer-ratio TC still to come, after the 
> requisite shifter arrives from across the pond.
>
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> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Nick Payne]

I fitted VO 700 x 63mm mudguards (they actually measure 63.5mm wide) to my 
Appaloosa. They just fit with only a fraction of a millimetre clearance 
each side where they pass between the fork blades - I fitted plastic frame 
protector dots on the inside of the fork blades each side to prevent the 
paint being worn off by the fender. 

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

[Kim Hetzel]

Congratulations, Richard !  

Glad to hear that you learned a lot*. *Gus looks terrific. 

I, too, am with Richard in that "Can’t wait to see some more trail pictures 
and hear more about how you’d compare it with the Clem!" 

Are you going to buy some of those hinged water bottle clamps from Velo 
Orange for your Gus ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:15:24 PM UTC-8 MoVelo wrote:

> Congratulations! That looks wonderful! Thanks for sharing.
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:08:55 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Congrats! Great build and it looks so comfortable. Looking forward to see 
>> some photos of it out and about.
>>
>> -Dave
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:21 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looks great! Can’t wait to see some more trail pictures and hear more 
>>> about how you’d compare it with the Clem!
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 That looks awesome! Congrats! 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

[MoVelo]

Congratulations! That looks wonderful! Thanks for sharing.

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:08:55 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> Congrats! Great build and it looks so comfortable. Looking forward to see 
> some photos of it out and about.
>
> -Dave
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:21 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks great! Can’t wait to see some more trail pictures and hear more 
>> about how you’d compare it with the Clem!
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> That looks awesome! Congrats! 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

[DavidP]

Congrats! Great build and it looks so comfortable. Looking forward to see 
some photos of it out and about.

-Dave
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:21 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks great! Can’t wait to see some more trail pictures and hear more 
> about how you’d compare it with the Clem!
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> That looks awesome! Congrats! 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

[Ryan Frahm]

Looks great! Can’t wait to see some more trail pictures and hear more about 
how you’d compare it with the Clem!

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> That looks awesome! Congrats!
>

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[RBW] WTT: Brooks Champion Flyer for B.17

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks.

I have a never mounted/ridden honey Champion Flyer that I *think* I bought
when Brooks was going out of business BITD.  It has lived in my bike
room/den since then, never been on a bike or out of the house.  I have a
use for a honey Brooks, but I suppose I would really rather have a B.17.
Anybody have a very clean, unmolested honey B.17 that you wish had
springs?  For that matter, I also have plain black B.17 that has certainly
not been ridden much, maybe only around the block.  I would also trade it
for one in honey...

Thanks, Doug

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Bump, still for sale!

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

>
> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a Berthoud 
> saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a longer stem than 
> 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and whether you 
> will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If I was running a 
> more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is probably a perfect 
> fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work with either bar with the 
> right stem though. 
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>
>>
>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me. 
>>  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a max 
>> pbh for this large frame.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David
>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>
>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>> Silver cranks.
>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
 often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
 season is coming. Haha. 

 On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv 
> niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good 
>> deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush for 
>> now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again 
>> soon! I 
>> took the saddle of to help temptation.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't 
>>> entertain low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, 
>>> best 
>>> color, best wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs to 
>>> realize it.  I wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my 
>>> orange 
>>> one.  Someone is going to be very happy though
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 
 13-42 cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready to 
 go!

 Asking $3000 +shipping OBO

 On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
 wrote:

> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>
> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are 
>> welcome! I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well 
>> though. 
>> People have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I 
>>> thought I’d post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of 
>>> cleaning 
>>> the drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was 
>>> going to 
>>> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and 
>>> lower the 
>>> price. (Ran out of time so the Paul levers are still pictured)
>>>
>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>> Silver cranks.
>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>
>>> Asking $3250 + shipping 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Bumping this back up. I’m flexible on some build options so let 
 me know if there is any interest! 

 On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:05:40 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
 wrote:

> I meant to put on the listing and forgot… I also have a set of 
> Rich built cliffhanger wheels with White Industries hubs front 
> and rear. 
> Wheels have 4-500 miles like the frame. Very nice wheels of 
> cours

Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

[luckyturnip]

That looks awesome! Congrats!

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[RBW] Gus is complete!

[Richard Rose]

Well, almost, Still need to trim / cap the cables along with some fine 
tuning. But, my first ever build is rolling! Shifting the 2 x 7 drivetrain 
is very smooth & accurate. Brakes are squeal free and solid if a bit soft 
at the lever. Touch points feel spot on as they should, having been 
duplicated from my Clem. This promises to be epic fun once the trails dry 
out.
For those interested, this has been an interesting process. Frame was 
acquired from C&L Cycles in Montreal in a very smooth transaction. Awesome 
Cliffhanger build & tires came from a Group member here. My first dynamo. A 
bunch of parts came from Riv, Will was a big help. Stem & spacers from Blue 
lug - they are amazing! B17 was a gift. The silver Deore rear deraillieur & 
Black Deore brakes came from e bay. Paul levers from Northwest Bike. 
Simworks cables... In short, it takes a village!
It snowed overnight here in Toledo, Ohio. It was a good day to work on the 
bike and take it for a spin up & down the cleared just in time road. This 
was a lot of fun & I learned a lot. A few pis 
here; https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mapping the Rivendell World

[Steven Sweedler]

John, there is something similar over on tne Classicrendezvous site. A
great idea. Steve

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 6:11 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Excellent Dave! Thank you. I've created a map already, will tweak it a
> bit, and share here soon.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:53:17 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Cool idea.
>> Here's another example:
>> https://sites.google.com/view/openunicyclecalendar/open-unicycle-map
>>
>> -Dave (also a unicyclist, near Boston)
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:53:14 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> After seeing a few posts where others are wondering who rides a Riv
>>> nearby, I got to wondering about the possibility of creating some sort of a
>>> map whereby Riv riders could drop a pin near the city or town in which we
>>> mostly ride. Of course, dropping a pin on one's home address may not be
>>> what people want, but doing so in a public location (city post office)
>>> might not be so bad.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there's already such a thing of which I'm unaware, but if not,
>>> can anyone see any problems with this idea that I've missed in my
>>> enthusiasm?
>>>
>>> If anyone is familiar with the bike touring/hosting community,
>>> Warmshowers.org, this is kind of what I have in mind.
>>>
>>> Anyways, just a thought.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, any riders in the Mesa, AZ area?
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Mapping the Rivendell World

[John Rinker]

Excellent Dave! Thank you. I've created a map already, will tweak it a bit, 
and share here soon.

Cheers, John

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:53:17 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> Cool idea.
> Here's another example: 
> https://sites.google.com/view/openunicyclecalendar/open-unicycle-map
>
> -Dave (also a unicyclist, near Boston)
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:53:14 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> After seeing a few posts where others are wondering who rides a Riv 
>> nearby, I got to wondering about the possibility of creating some sort of a 
>> map whereby Riv riders could drop a pin near the city or town in which we 
>> mostly ride. Of course, dropping a pin on one's home address may not be 
>> what people want, but doing so in a public location (city post office) 
>> might not be so bad.
>>
>> Perhaps there's already such a thing of which I'm unaware, but if not, 
>> can anyone see any problems with this idea that I've missed in my 
>> enthusiasm?
>>
>> If anyone is familiar with the bike touring/hosting community, 
>> Warmshowers.org, this is kind of what I have in mind.
>>
>> Anyways, just a thought. 
>>
>> Incidentally, any riders in the Mesa, AZ area?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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[RBW] Lovely mid-day ride

[Patrick Moore]

Ride started at noon and about 62*F, North via ditch roads and paved back
rods to Rio Grande bike path, then back South to major E/W boulevard,
whence East to my brother's house -- who had finally just finished
end-of-term grading, thence via urban parking lots and ditchbank trails
(fortunately firm at this time of incipient Spring) to 4th Street and
double back to a little coffee shops for coffee, vegan (Great Lent) oatmeal
cookies and good black coffee; return; stopping at Sprout's for 3X 1/2 gal
Oatley extra fat and various other fundamentals. ~19.5 miles on the
Matthews AM hub Riv clone, loving the middle/2nd/direct 65" gear against
headwinds and on dirt (75"/65"/56").

Only about 6 miles on dirt but great fun on all surfaces. The 42 mm Naches
Passes at ~ 30-35 psi are just about fat and soft enough for roughish but
firmish dirt (and excellent on pavement) tho' 48s or 50s at 23-25 psi would
be better.

Next up: just bought 650B X 1.5"-to-2" tubes since 26 X 1.8 not available
at LBS, to try to put in new pair of 26X1.8" Naches Pass extra lights to
try on the 1999 Joe Starck gofast fixie, with the SA TF hub. 52 X 18 direct
 for ~72" with 75% drop for 54" on firmer ditchbank paths. A Riv 2 speed
fixed gear gravel bike. Hope to do this tomorrow and ride to church Sunday
along ditchbanks; will photo and report.

Waiting for 3-speed quadrant shifter for the closer ratio TC hub due 3d
week in March.

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[RBW] Re: Mapping the Rivendell World

[DavidP]

Cool idea.
Here's another 
example: https://sites.google.com/view/openunicyclecalendar/open-unicycle-map

-Dave (also a unicyclist, near Boston)

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:53:14 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> After seeing a few posts where others are wondering who rides a Riv 
> nearby, I got to wondering about the possibility of creating some sort of a 
> map whereby Riv riders could drop a pin near the city or town in which we 
> mostly ride. Of course, dropping a pin on one's home address may not be 
> what people want, but doing so in a public location (city post office) 
> might not be so bad.
>
> Perhaps there's already such a thing of which I'm unaware, but if not, can 
> anyone see any problems with this idea that I've missed in my enthusiasm?
>
> If anyone is familiar with the bike touring/hosting community, 
> Warmshowers.org, this is kind of what I have in mind.
>
> Anyways, just a thought. 
>
> Incidentally, any riders in the Mesa, AZ area?
>
> Cheers, John
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube bosses predicament

[Patrick Moore]

I did something similar with my 2020 Matthews: overtorqued a dry screw
holding a front lowrider to the fork leg boss, and snapping the head off,
leaving <1/8" of the shaft protruding. It was just barely enough to grab
securely with needle-nose vise grips and with liberal applications of spray
lubricant, patience, prayer, and 30 minutes of tiny back-and-forth rotation
I got it out without damage to anything.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:57 PM Brian Forsee  wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> If you have a (very) small rotatory tool/dremel you can cut a slot in
> there and then use a flat head screw driver to back the bolt out. If its
> not quite *completely* flush you can try grabbing it with some vice grips
> too.
>
> Good luck! If you cut a little bit of a slot into the boss itself that's
> probably no big deal, although depending how deep it gets it may
> necessitate re-tapping the threads in there.
>
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 ryan.tre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone, I've gotten myself into a bit of a predicament with one
>> of my downtube bosses; I've sheared off the bolt flush with the brazed on
>> boss (see pic below).  Any ideas on how to extract it?  I've tried using a
>> drill extractor bit with my drill, but didn't work.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> [image: 3DE5D487-0675-43CD-85A8-74193FE2964C.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Downtube bosses predicament

[lconley]

Use some penetrating oil on the threads (PB Blaster, etc.). Get some left 
handed drill bits and drill larger holes, preferably in the center of the 
sheared off bolt. It may be that the left handed drill bit will grab and 
extract the sheared off bolt all by itself. If not, the more of the sheared 
off bolt that you can remove with the drill, the better (the more centered 
you are, the more of the sheared off bolt you can remove) as it weakens the 
bolt. You may be able to use Dremel tool and to created a more centered 
starter hole before you start drilling. Stop short of removing any of the 
threads in the boss itself. Last resort is to use an EZ-out that is 
basically a left hand threaded hardened tapered tap that is designed to 
grab the sheared off bolt. The bigger the hole, the bigger of an EZ-out 
that you can use (bigger = stronger). DO NOT snap the EZ-out off in the 
sheared off bolt - err on the side of caution here, the EZ-out is very 
tough steel and hard to drill through. 
Not for the faint-of-heart, but you can also cut a slot through the threads 
of the boss and bolt on one of the flats of the boss. This will weaken the 
boss's grip on the bolt. if this works, you can repair with JB Weld, a tap, 
and a file.
Heat is another option, but I assume you like your paint.

If all else fails - -> Single Speed!

Laing

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 ryan.tre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone, I've gotten myself into a bit of a predicament with one of 
> my downtube bosses; I've sheared off the bolt flush with the brazed on boss 
> (see pic below).  Any ideas on how to extract it?  I've tried using a drill 
> extractor bit with my drill, but didn't work. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>
> [image: 3DE5D487-0675-43CD-85A8-74193FE2964C.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Mapping the Rivendell World

[John Rinker]

After seeing a few posts where others are wondering who rides a Riv nearby, 
I got to wondering about the possibility of creating some sort of a map 
whereby Riv riders could drop a pin near the city or town in which we 
mostly ride. Of course, dropping a pin on one's home address may not be 
what people want, but doing so in a public location (city post office) 
might not be so bad.

Perhaps there's already such a thing of which I'm unaware, but if not, can 
anyone see any problems with this idea that I've missed in my enthusiasm?

If anyone is familiar with the bike touring/hosting community, 
Warmshowers.org, this is kind of what I have in mind.

Anyways, just a thought. 

Incidentally, any riders in the Mesa, AZ area?

Cheers, John

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[RBW] Re: Downtube bosses predicament

[R Olson]

Lol, glad to hear that these things happen to other people too!  Thanks so 
much for your ideas Brian and Will!  I like the slot idea.  I do have a 
dremmel tool, so I might give that a shot.

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:04:55 PM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I hate these situations and find myself there more than I'd like.  I have 
> never had a whole lot of success with EZouts or the like.  It looks like 
> you have a pilot hole there; I'd be inclined to drill a bigger one and 
> hammer a torx in, maybe with some duct tape to ensure tight fit.  Then 
> unscrew.
>
> Or make a slot with the dremel and use a flat head.  You probably only get 
> to do one of these things though, as you'll run out of room.
>
> Will
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> If you have a (very) small rotatory tool/dremel you can cut a slot in 
>> there and then use a flat head screw driver to back the bolt out. If its 
>> not quite *completely* flush you can try grabbing it with some vice 
>> grips too.
>>
>> Good luck! If you cut a little bit of a slot into the boss itself that's 
>> probably no big deal, although depending how deep it gets it may 
>> necessitate re-tapping the threads in there.
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 ryan.tre...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone, I've gotten myself into a bit of a predicament with one 
>>> of my downtube bosses; I've sheared off the bolt flush with the brazed on 
>>> boss (see pic below).  Any ideas on how to extract it?  I've tried using a 
>>> drill extractor bit with my drill, but didn't work. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> [image: 3DE5D487-0675-43CD-85A8-74193FE2964C.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Paul,  I really enjoy the Rivendell Ride. Building it has given me 
an improved eye for detail, particularly when viewing other builds such as 
Ted’s here.  Ya know what my bike has it all over Ted’s in terms of 
function and aesthetic?

Nothing!I gotta go back to the drawing board.  Goodness!

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> The Cub House does a superb job of building bikes, and they have a talent 
> for photographing them, too.
>
> https://cubhouse.cc/custom-builds/teds-rivendell-hillborne
>
> Ted Durant 
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
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[RBW] Re: Downtube bosses predicament

[Will Boericke]

I hate these situations and find myself there more than I'd like.  I have 
never had a whole lot of success with EZouts or the like.  It looks like 
you have a pilot hole there; I'd be inclined to drill a bigger one and 
hammer a torx in, maybe with some duct tape to ensure tight fit.  Then 
unscrew.

Or make a slot with the dremel and use a flat head.  You probably only get 
to do one of these things though, as you'll run out of room.

Will



On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> If you have a (very) small rotatory tool/dremel you can cut a slot in 
> there and then use a flat head screw driver to back the bolt out. If its 
> not quite *completely* flush you can try grabbing it with some vice grips 
> too.
>
> Good luck! If you cut a little bit of a slot into the boss itself that's 
> probably no big deal, although depending how deep it gets it may 
> necessitate re-tapping the threads in there.
>
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 ryan.tre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone, I've gotten myself into a bit of a predicament with one 
>> of my downtube bosses; I've sheared off the bolt flush with the brazed on 
>> boss (see pic below).  Any ideas on how to extract it?  I've tried using a 
>> drill extractor bit with my drill, but didn't work. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> [image: 3DE5D487-0675-43CD-85A8-74193FE2964C.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Downtube bosses predicament

[Brian Forsee]

Ryan,

If you have a (very) small rotatory tool/dremel you can cut a slot in there 
and then use a flat head screw driver to back the bolt out. If its not 
quite *completely* flush you can try grabbing it with some vice grips too.

Good luck! If you cut a little bit of a slot into the boss itself that's 
probably no big deal, although depending how deep it gets it may 
necessitate re-tapping the threads in there.


Brian

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 ryan.tre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone, I've gotten myself into a bit of a predicament with one of 
> my downtube bosses; I've sheared off the bolt flush with the brazed on boss 
> (see pic below).  Any ideas on how to extract it?  I've tried using a drill 
> extractor bit with my drill, but didn't work. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>
> [image: 3DE5D487-0675-43CD-85A8-74193FE2964C.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

[Ted Durant]

The Cub House does a superb job of building bikes, and they have a talent 
for photographing them, too.

https://cubhouse.cc/custom-builds/teds-rivendell-hillborne

Ted Durant 
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[JAS]

Kim,
Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will 
preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!

I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look into 
it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into going 
so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think I'll 
be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '

Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride report 
with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the 
round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.

--Joyce

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:05:33 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding with 
>> one of two of my daughters; my youngest. 
>>
>> I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness for 
>> all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together during 
>> a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid memories 
>> were built.
>>
>> One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles downhill 
>> on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going from Hyak 
>> at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to Rattlesnake Lake. It 
>> was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active up until the 1980's 
>> from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail for hikers, 
>> bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to Spokane and 
>> beyond. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake
>>
>> My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010, 2011 
>> and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains to 
>> Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization. 
>>
>> https://mtsgreenway.org/
>>
>> I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn, being 
>> tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a large 
>> bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not going 
>> to do that anymore. Very unhappy !
>>
>> This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am 
>> going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and 
>> back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. I'm 
>> looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo 
>> woo. 
>>
>> My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another 
>> direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week 
>> going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond 
>> alive. I am very grateful for that.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Mr. Ray]

Doug, the "long" is 13 cm longer at the front of the fender for ALL sizes.  
To keep the front of the fender from rattling and perhaps cracking 
prematurely over time, you can purchase an extra set of fender stays to 
secure the extended front to a fork stay (i.e. midpoint of fork).  I'm 
using a front rack so the longer front of the fender is attached to the 
rack platform using a fender clip.  Fender coverage is personal so you'll 
have to decide what length works for you.

That said, the Berthoud 650B x 60mm have very good coverage and are 
designed with no front mudflap necessary (think classic French 650B 
Randonneur).  Both front and back fender are slightly longer in length 
compared with Honjo or V.O. fenders in the 650B x 60mm size.  If you don't 
care for such excellent coverage, you can also use the Berthoud 26" x 60mm 
and re-size them to fit 650B.  The 26" x 60mm are readily available in the 
USA (i.e. Peter White and Bens Cycle).  I have never seen the Berthoud 650B 
x 60mm sold anywhere in the USA which is why I purchased direct from 
France. 

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:17:27 AM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Alrighty, maybe the correct response was "no U.S. retailers have 650B x 60 
> Berthouds" ;^)  Thanks for the info!  Any thoughts on the long vs. short 
> for a bike that doesn't have a front rack now, but conceivably could in the 
> future?
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 6:08 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:
>
>> I bought my Berthoud 60mm x 650b here in stock.  If you have a front 
>> rack, buy the "long version" in the link otherwise buy the "short version":
>>
>>
>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/1406-stainless-smooth-fenders-650b-x-60mm-front-long-w-hardware-polished.html?_gl=1*4zzmn0*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTE3NjA2MTg2MS4xNjc4NDEwMzY0*_ga_LLD45P3CY9*MTY3ODQxMDM2NC4xLjEuMTY3ODQxMDM3MS41My4wLjA
>> .
>>
>> They also sell them in black.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:40:28 PM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>
>>> Not so fast, Doug!  Alas, there are no 60mm Berthoud 650B fenders that I 
>>> can find, so it looks like the V-O 58mm wavies are the best easy choice 
>>> after all...
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:36 PM Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Edwin :^)  These might be my winner, cheaper than anything but 
 on sale V-O and the widest (of the economical options) that will fit 
 without manipulation...

 Doug 

 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:34 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> Berthoud 60mm (700c) fit my 58cm Joe Appa fine with no manipulation.
>
> Edwin 
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Deore XT BR-M750 Direct Pull V Brakes

[saintruggler]

Replying to say that I'm in the same boat--currently have a set of Paul 
Canti levers installed, but I'm planning a switch to long-pull brake 
calipers. 

Ideally, I'll trade the Canti levers for someone else's Love levers. 
However, I may just try out the Canti/long-pull brake combo this weekend. 
Y'know, for science!

-Eric

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:47:23 PM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> Joe is right, you want long pull levers for v-brakes. A canti (short pull) 
> lever can sometimes kind of work with a v-brake, and I've done that before 
> to make the brakes exceptionally powerful, but the lever feel will be quite 
> spongy and the pads will be very close to the rim. It's not a recommended 
> combination unless you're specifically trying to do something strange and 
> you know exactly what you're getting into. Not sure what your LBS was 
> thinking recommending that; there was probably some miscommunication or 
> something. 
>
> Josiah Anderson 
> Missoula, MT 
>
> Le jeu. 9 mars 2023 à 9:36 AM, Michael Moore, Jr.  a 
> écrit :
>
>> I don't know. The advice seemed odd to me, but I thought maybe I'm 
>> missing something. Hence the need for a second opinion. 
>>
>> I already have the Paul Canti levers on the bike, and they strongly 
>> encouraged that I keep them even with the change from canti to v-brakes. 
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2023, 1:07 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Is your LBS high? (that's a Humboldt joke) Those are long-pull brakes 
>>> and need a long pull lever, I've used those Pauls with other Shimano 
>>> v-brakes and they're great. Why does the shop person think you need 
>>> short-pull levers? 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-8 freefo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Folks,

 I am thinking of pairing Paul's Love Levers with Shimano Deore XT 
 BR-M750 Direct Pull V Brakes. My LBS thinks it;s a bad idea, and that I 
 should with the Canti Lever. Does anyone have experience with the BR-M750 
 Paul lever pairing? 

 Thanks!

 -- 
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 Humboldt County

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[RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

[st nick]

Good job Jake.It turned out very very nice?

Congratulations and welcome to the Sam club!
How do you like riding it?
Ted, your Sam also looks terrific and 
Wow, that bar bar tape is stellar!
Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Taking it to 2

[Will Boericke]

I've taken to using ATF in AWs as well as in my Nexus 8.  I've been using 
0W20 for years because I have two cars that take that.  

I just disassembled an AW and lost one of those minuscule pawl springs in 
the process.  Grrr.  Had to scavenge the innards from another.

Will

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:22:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I use any light-midweight oil; currently chainsaw oil because I have 3/4 
> of a pint but I've used 10-40 or whatever my car uses and I think even 
> transmission fluid. FWIW, the experts say that regular motor oil is fine. I 
> daresay that 50 weight oil in winter might be to thick; I'd not use a very 
> thin oil like sewing machine oil. I see a bottle of Phil: That is also 
> recommended at least by some experts.
>
> A few years ago I pulled the almost-unused S3X out of my box to ponder 
> what to do with it -- I dislike the lash and gear gaps (tho' setting it up 
> for a ~90-95" High with big ring and small cog so that you get a downhill 
> gear, a moderate cruising gear, and a better than nothing climbing gear 
> works alright. Maybe that's how it was designed?). I had casually read 
> somewhere about someone filling his up with grease, so I took my grease gun 
> and did just that, with sticky auto bearing grease. Then I read that this 
> is a stupid thingh to do. I'll have to disassemble it and clean out it if I 
> use it again.
>
> Is your work tray magnetic? I should get something like that; can you give 
> product maker or link? Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 2:33 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> In the meantime - a dis-assembled NOS 1972 40 hole AW and the longest 
>> axle that I could find. Just a standard 3 speed, not one of Patrick's 
>> exotic Sturmey-Archers. For the Rosco Baby. Original grease/oil was fairly 
>> petrified.
>>
>> What kind of oil do you use in your SAs, Patrick?
>>
>> [image: IMG_0146.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 1:34:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> On-topic content: Bike in question is the 1999 Joe Starck fixed gear 
>>> road custom.
>>>
>>> Well, a year after I received the 2-speed fixed TF and TC-hub wheels, I 
>>> finally got the shifter sorted, or so I thought, and I've ridden both hubs 
>>> briefly and they're pretty nice! TF gives direct and 75% (52/17 X 24.8" 
>>> wheel = 76" and 57"), TC gives direct 76" and 86.5% or 66". The TF drop is 
>>> like shifting from a 52 t ring to a 39 t ring while using the 17 t cog.
>>>
>>> The TF has hardly any lash; it feels like a fixed cog and a 
>>> well-adjusted chain. The TC has much more slop, but less than the annoying 
>>> S3X, and the direct-to-2nd gap is far, far more useful.
>>>
>>> The NOS TF top-tube-mount quadrant shifter pulls a shortish amount of 
>>> chain and, of course, shifts the TF perfectly. I had hoped it would work as 
>>> well with the TC, but that hub was modified by having a modern AW 3-spline 
>>> driver replace the original 12-spline driver for which cogs are very hard 
>>> to find, all of them 1/8". (I've filed modern 3-spline SA 3/32" cogs to fit 
>>> the 12-spline TF driver, and I suppose I could re-swap the TC driver, but 
>>> it's easier to get a new shifter, and I found a NOS SA 3 speed quadrant 
>>> shifter on British eBay which I hope will arrive this month. The longer 
>>> pull of the 3 speed shifter ought to allow installation and adjustment to 
>>> shift the 2-speed TC and perhaps even the TF, since the cable pull from 2nd 
>>> to 1st is considerably more than that from 3rd to 2nd.
>>>
>>> Pictures soon, and more ride reports after I ride them more. But what's 
>>> to report about 2 speeds???
>>>
>>> The TC hub was rechromed nicely by a Seattle shop; the TF is 85-year-old 
>>> NOS (both hubs are dated 1937), and Aaron at Rat City Bikes did the 
>>> overhauls.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: DaVinci Billeted Cranks and Frost River Vintage Backpack

[Dave Grossman]

Bag is sold.  

Cranks are now $150 shipped.

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Price Adjustments...
>
> Cranks $175 Shipped
> Frost River Pack $150 Shipped
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:38:04 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> I'm building my son his first "grown up bike", a 13" Trek 950 Singletrack 
>> frame and am raising money for the build.
>>
>> First up are Davinci cranks.  These are 170mm and 104 BCD.  You can order 
>> different spiders from Davinci.  These are light, strong, and beautiful.  
>> Billeted and made in the USA.  Low Q factor.  I bought them a few years ago 
>> to run on my Hunq but I have been using my XD2s as I like the ring options 
>> of a 110 BCD.
>>
>> Asking $200 shipped CONUS via Priority Mail
>>
>> Next up is a Frost River Vintage Pack.  Made in Duluth, a huge pack 
>> designed for all sorts of adventure.  18 oz waxed canvas.  Classic and 
>> beautiful.
>>
>> Asking $165 shipped CONUS via Priority Mail
>>
>> Pics Here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/wp6L5csuBViD2awW8
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I'll give a mildly enthusiastic recommendation for the Blue Lug/Fairweather 
poncho. I use it anytime I need to ride in the rain and it does a pretty 
good job. It's not great for windy rain conditions, but I doubt any poncho 
would be. Someone above mentioned they're low vis colors, which is true, 
but you can spruce it up with some reflective material/tape without doing 
damage to the waterproof fabric. 

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:48:13 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I have the Grundens poncho and fishing hat. I looked on the Grundens 
> website and could not find the poncho, but they still have the hat. I also 
> have the MUSA splats. I was ready to order the gaiters, but they never 
> reappeared on the Rive website (this was a few years ago).
> The poncho works great on the bicycle (with fenders) - I love the thumb 
> loops and visibility of the yellow. I have also worn the poncho and hat at 
> an outdoor rain or shine concert sitting in a big folding chair - the 
> poncho was big enough to keep the chair dry as well.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:07:46 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Not to rub it in, but yes, the Riv Grundens poncho is the best ever. So 
>> sorry they do not have them any more. Maybe they need to do  another run, 
>> but I am sure then they would be $$$.
>>
>> I have the Grundens, but also have a Vaude Valdipino 
>>  
>> that is very easy to stash somewhere (I keep one at work) in case something 
>> comes up.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Love my cleverhood.  It stays in the bottom of the Wald on my Hunq and 
>>> is there when I need it.  Highly recommended, and they have sales often.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:59:04 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:
>>>
 Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
 even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.

 https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194



 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
 wrote:

> Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
> carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to 
>> sell. They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
>> unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
>> beat. 
>>
>> It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
>> he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. 
>> I 
>> assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if 
>> something 
>> happens to it though!
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>>
>>> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I 
>>> use a rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles 
>>> link 
>>> below).  I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers 
>>> them? Sadly the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ 
>>> years 
>>> out of them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>>>
>>> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I 
 forgot about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 
 (
 https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
  
 It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
 friends 
 were amazed that I had good things to say.

 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:

> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>
> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice 
> waxed canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish 
> they 
> came in high viz colors/designs. 
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>
>
>
> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>
> [image: yehuda.gif]
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can assure you that wate

Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[lconley]

I have the Grundens poncho and fishing hat. I looked on the Grundens 
website and could not find the poncho, but they still have the hat. I also 
have the MUSA splats. I was ready to order the gaiters, but they never 
reappeared on the Rive website (this was a few years ago).
The poncho works great on the bicycle (with fenders) - I love the thumb 
loops and visibility of the yellow. I have also worn the poncho and hat at 
an outdoor rain or shine concert sitting in a big folding chair - the 
poncho was big enough to keep the chair dry as well.

Laing

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:07:46 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Not to rub it in, but yes, the Riv Grundens poncho is the best ever. So 
> sorry they do not have them any more. Maybe they need to do  another run, 
> but I am sure then they would be $$$.
>
> I have the Grundens, but also have a Vaude Valdipino 
>  
> that is very easy to stash somewhere (I keep one at work) in case something 
> comes up.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Love my cleverhood.  It stays in the bottom of the Wald on my Hunq and is 
>> there when I need it.  Highly recommended, and they have sales often.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:59:04 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
>>> even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
 carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 

 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
 wrote:

> I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to 
> sell. They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
> unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
> beat. 
>
> It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
> he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I 
> assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if 
> something 
> happens to it though!
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>
>> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use 
>> a rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link 
>> below).  I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers 
>> them? Sadly the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ 
>> years 
>> out of them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>>
>> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>>
>> Al
>>
>> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I 
>>> forgot about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
>>>  
>>> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
>>> friends 
>>> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>>>
 @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
 probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
 over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).

 If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice 
 waxed canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish 
 they 
 came in high viz colors/designs. 
 https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html



 @Carlos and @Patrick - 
 http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/

 [image: yehuda.gif]

 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms 
> when riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty 
> color 
> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in 
> the 
> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy 
> rain) 
> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like 
> the 
> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com <
> reca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Alrighty, maybe the correct response was "no U.S. retailers have 650B x 60
Berthouds" ;^)  Thanks for the info!  Any thoughts on the long vs. short
for a bike that doesn't have a front rack now, but conceivably could in the
future?

Doug

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 6:08 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:

> I bought my Berthoud 60mm x 650b here in stock.  If you have a front rack,
> buy the "long version" in the link otherwise buy the "short version":
>
>
> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/1406-stainless-smooth-fenders-650b-x-60mm-front-long-w-hardware-polished.html?_gl=1*4zzmn0*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTE3NjA2MTg2MS4xNjc4NDEwMzY0*_ga_LLD45P3CY9*MTY3ODQxMDM2NC4xLjEuMTY3ODQxMDM3MS41My4wLjA
> .
>
> They also sell them in black.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:40:28 PM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Not so fast, Doug!  Alas, there are no 60mm Berthoud 650B fenders that I
>> can find, so it looks like the V-O 58mm wavies are the best easy choice
>> after all...
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:36 PM Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Edwin :^)  These might be my winner, cheaper than anything but on
>>> sale V-O and the widest (of the economical options) that will fit without
>>> manipulation...
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:34 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>>>
 Berthoud 60mm (700c) fit my 58cm Joe Appa fine with no manipulation.

 Edwin

>>>

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