[RBW] Re: Double 1x

[Joe Bernard]

That may be the next move but I suspect it's a spindle length issue. This 
FD was designed to run with an MTB double with a wide Q and 10-spd 
chainrings closer together, it's not quite snapping over hard enough to the 
small ring before running out of travel (limit screw all the way out). I 
don't want to put in a longer bottom bracket so I may need to pick up an 
older FD like Riv used to put on most of their bikes.*

*This is the part of the story where I remember why I gave up front 
derailers. 

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 11:17:01 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Looks like you can lower the new derailleur a tad. Have you tried that and 
> run into interference?
>
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:04:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I had a nice 1x and wanted slightly lower gears for some crazy hills 
>> around here, but didn't want to lose the already relatively low top end so 
>> mashed some parts together and this is the result. 
>>
>> Starting point: SRAM Rival 1 (with clutch) rear derailer, I believe the 
>> largest cog this is supposed to handle is 42t. I added a Garbaruk cage and 
>> pulleys and it shifts a SunRace 11-50 11-spd cassette with a SRAM Apex 
>> trigger shifter. The front is a Sugino XD crank with 34t chainring. 
>>
>> Ok what happens if I want double rings? The manufacturer stuff says I 
>> can't use a 1x derailer (I don't know why) so I thought I would cheat a 
>> little and make it kind of two 1x's by adding a 30t inner ring, Shimano 
>> Deore (DynaSys 10-spd double) FD and a Silver2 thumbshifter on the stem. It 
>> works! 
>>
>> Ok it doesn't work completely fabulously yet, the downshift to the small 
>> ring doesn't always take and I still have some fiddling to do but overall 
>> the bike works well for me using all of the gears in the 30t plus grabbing 
>> the top 2 or 3 in the 34t on occasion, and sometimes just staying in the 
>> 34t like before. It's not a massive increase in gear range, I think of it 
>> as an expanded 1x. 
>>
>> Does it make sense? I don't know, maybe this can be duplicated by ye old 
>> triple drivetrains with 11-36 cassettes but I don't like triples. I like 
>> this! 
>>
>> Joe "tried to ditch front derailers, ended up with a front derailer 
>> again" Bernard
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20230429_211431.jpg][image: 
>> Screenshot_20230429_211411.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Double 1x

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks like you can lower the new derailleur a tad. Have you tried that and 
run into interference?

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:04:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had a nice 1x and wanted slightly lower gears for some crazy hills 
> around here, but didn't want to lose the already relatively low top end so 
> mashed some parts together and this is the result. 
>
> Starting point: SRAM Rival 1 (with clutch) rear derailer, I believe the 
> largest cog this is supposed to handle is 42t. I added a Garbaruk cage and 
> pulleys and it shifts a SunRace 11-50 11-spd cassette with a SRAM Apex 
> trigger shifter. The front is a Sugino XD crank with 34t chainring. 
>
> Ok what happens if I want double rings? The manufacturer stuff says I 
> can't use a 1x derailer (I don't know why) so I thought I would cheat a 
> little and make it kind of two 1x's by adding a 30t inner ring, Shimano 
> Deore (DynaSys 10-spd double) FD and a Silver2 thumbshifter on the stem. It 
> works! 
>
> Ok it doesn't work completely fabulously yet, the downshift to the small 
> ring doesn't always take and I still have some fiddling to do but overall 
> the bike works well for me using all of the gears in the 30t plus grabbing 
> the top 2 or 3 in the 34t on occasion, and sometimes just staying in the 
> 34t like before. It's not a massive increase in gear range, I think of it 
> as an expanded 1x. 
>
> Does it make sense? I don't know, maybe this can be duplicated by ye old 
> triple drivetrains with 11-36 cassettes but I don't like triples. I like 
> this! 
>
> Joe "tried to ditch front derailers, ended up with a front derailer again" 
> Bernard
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230429_211431.jpg][image: 
> Screenshot_20230429_211411.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

[Steve]

Bryce, nice touring set up. How'd tha Sam do with that load?

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:41:50 AM UTC-4 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:

> Really starting to get excited for spring. Here's a snap from a recent 
> shakedown ride on my Sam, in preparation for a tour on the CO canal.
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:21:07 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Very groovy looking Hunq, Weth! How big are those tires? Bikie's right. 
>> They mean business!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:26:26 PM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Erl, that Hunq looks like it means business! Very nice. Beautiful photos 
>>> too.
>>> I've watched you try a number of Rivendells over time, but this one 
>>> looks like a keeper.
>>>
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:44:48 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
>>>
 In celebration of National Parks week here in the United States, I rode 
 my Hunq along the C&O Canal on Monday.  


 On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:42:18 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Spring is slow to arrive in southwestern Wisconsin this year, and 
> miles have been earned. Cold winds and snow squalls alternating with sun 
> seem to be the norm, even more so than usual. The woods is starting to 
> green and the bloodroot blooming, so warmer days are coming!
> Randy
> "Spring hopes eternal"
> [image: Appaloosa 042523RBF.jpg]
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:07:22 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> My brother-in-law has been visiting his elderly father for three 
>> weeks and needed to stretch his legs. We did a 42-miles mixed surface 
>> country ride rambling around on our Homers through upper Cumberland 
>> county, 
>> Va. on a bright, cool, beautiful day. Life is good on a bike!
>> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720307788075 
>> *
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Virginia, where all the place names have English or 
>> Native American origins.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

The answers to the questions in your reply are in the post you're replying 
to. 
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 7:08:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> "Shot at the Platypus ... directed at a particular person"? You live in a 
> universe different from mine.
>
> "Point of the thread"? Absolutely none on my part except to spout a 
> momentary interest. What was your purpose in chiming in so enthusiastically?
>
> Sheesh!
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 7:55 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Ok I'll cut to the chase: What is the point of the threads? They seem to 
>> be a shot at the Platypus on a Riv forum in favor of two non-Rivs, and 
>> frankly they seem directed at a particular person. I've done my best to 
>> remain unserious about the whole affair but I'm kinda stumped on what the 
>> purpose of this was.  
>>
>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 6:38:35 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Just for the record -- as the one who started all this nonsense -- I 
>>> don't fret about weight, well, with one exception, below; and I weighed the 
>>> Matthews only on a momentary impulse of curiosity; the Monocog followed as 
>>> a kind of academic investigation.
>>>
>>> In fact, I fret mildly about weight only for one bike, and that is the 
>>> 1999 Joe Starck Gofast Fixie Custom Road; and even on that one I chose most 
>>> parts for performance or looks instead of weight -- Dura Ace SPDs instead 
>>> of Look KEOS or Speedplay X-1s, Phil hubs, DA GA 200 crank with 52 ring, 
>>> Surly Dingle. The only chi chi light part is (I blush to admit) a titanium 
>>> stem bolt. 18 lb even. The SA TF hubs adds 11 oz and the TC much more 
>>> again, an amount I've not bothered to register.
>>>
>>> All my other bikes were built without regard for weight and range from 
>>> the 28 lb Matthews #2, clone of 2003 Curt Riv Road custom with SA AM hub, 
>>> to the 32 lb Matthews #1 and the Monocog at 32.25 -- all of these weighed 
>>> with full kit bags of 2 or 3 lb each.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 6:54 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Leah: I laughed my head off. For an increasingly silly thread, you 
 certainly capped it all. 

 OTOH, I could see you struggling to lift those behemoths.

 Long ago, when my daughter was 5 or 6 (she will, God willing, turn 22 
 in early June), I would be horsing around and playing the fool, and she 
 would say, very earnestly and emphatically: "Daddy! Be *sewious!*" I 
 begin to understand her sentiment.



 On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:38 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll 
> include the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram, 
> which I’ve set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it 
> back to private.
>
> I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells 
> and set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for 
> the ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is 
> entirely in response to these silly threads.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit 
>> in frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for 
>> the 
>> K-Lite. 
>>
>> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 
>> 2X thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all 
>> considering 
>> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb. 
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Steve]

Dingding - I LOVE it !!!Might just be one of the best bicycle videos 
I've yet to see on the internet. Great soundtrack too!
Thanks for sharing. (Please invite me to your Webby Awards "Best Video 
award" party)

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:36:11 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s about to get sillier. I made a video in response to Patrick’s thread. 
> I’m attaching it as a link here, since it’s too big to include in the text. 
> I changed my Instagram to public for this, but I’ll switch it back to 
> private soon, so watch it before I do!
>
> I’m on a roll over there with taking classic, classy Rivendells and 
> putting them to tacky hit music. 5 years ago you long-time Riv fans would 
> have thrown me out of here, but I think I’ve worn you down enough that you 
> will find this palatable. Or not!
>
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 3:24:54 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> "My bike is lighter than a bike that's heavier than my bike but heavier 
>> than a bike that's lighter than my bike. True story. "
>>
>> Now Joe, that's just silly. Come to think of it, this whole thread is 
>> just silly - which is probably why I keep following it ; )
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:30:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> My bike is lighter than a bike that's heavier than my bike but heavier 
>>> than a bike that's lighter than my bike. True story. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:43:55 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 https://youtu.be/R3Uf4OKYqzs

 The narrator is Phil Ligget's brother.

 On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Now that's interesting. Watch even older videos of Coppi and Bartalli 
> on climbs and on the flats; 50 rpm standing in a 62" gear, and -- Coppi 
> -- 
> 120 rpm bursts in a 93" high alternating with coasting on the flats (48 X 
> 14-21 4 speed); much as I used to ride (we pros share a great deal) with 
> the difference that (this was 30 years ago) my flatland cruising was 
> about 
> 64" at 108+ rpm for 20+ mph. No longer! 90 in a 76" gear is high. Funny, 
> it 
> was riding fixed that transformed me from a twiddler to a masher; true.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 6:11 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> ... As I've watched pro road cycling since the 70/80's, this is how 
>> everyone rode. Slow rpm in big gears uphill and huge gears spinning high 
>> rpm with great supple' going downhill and on the flats. Watch Greg 
>> Lemond 
>> in the 80's in race videos, he was fluid from the very low to very high 
>> rpm. To be a pro you pretty much had to be able to do that. That started 
>> to 
>> change in the early 90's, where higher uphill rpm were beginning to 
>> happen, 
>> but that time frame coincided with the introduction of the drug EPO, 
>> which 
>> basically gave riders more oxygen in the blood so they could push those 
>> higher rpm without running out of oxygen. That's how the story goes as I 
>> understood it at least. Even still,  you see riders ride in every 
>> conceivable way and so one must caution against implying "everyone does 
>> this or that" because everyone is unique in their own way. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Jeffrey Arita]

This entire thread fondly reminds me of "It's A Walk Off" contest from 
*Zoolander*:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbnCoQ75RuM&t=95s

One of the first *true (yes, **non-fictional*) accounts of male modeling.  
Gotta love all the models, along with Billy Zane and David Bowie.  

Enjoy,

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 6:55:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ok I'll cut to the chase: What is the point of the threads? They seem to 
> be a shot at the Platypus on a Riv forum in favor of two non-Rivs, and 
> frankly they seem directed at a particular person. I've done my best to 
> remain unserious about the whole affair but I'm kinda stumped on what the 
> purpose of this was.  
>
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 6:38:35 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Just for the record -- as the one who started all this nonsense -- I 
>> don't fret about weight, well, with one exception, below; and I weighed the 
>> Matthews only on a momentary impulse of curiosity; the Monocog followed as 
>> a kind of academic investigation.
>>
>> In fact, I fret mildly about weight only for one bike, and that is the 
>> 1999 Joe Starck Gofast Fixie Custom Road; and even on that one I chose most 
>> parts for performance or looks instead of weight -- Dura Ace SPDs instead 
>> of Look KEOS or Speedplay X-1s, Phil hubs, DA GA 200 crank with 52 ring, 
>> Surly Dingle. The only chi chi light part is (I blush to admit) a titanium 
>> stem bolt. 18 lb even. The SA TF hubs adds 11 oz and the TC much more 
>> again, an amount I've not bothered to register.
>>
>> All my other bikes were built without regard for weight and range from 
>> the 28 lb Matthews #2, clone of 2003 Curt Riv Road custom with SA AM hub, 
>> to the 32 lb Matthews #1 and the Monocog at 32.25 -- all of these weighed 
>> with full kit bags of 2 or 3 lb each.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 6:54 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Leah: I laughed my head off. For an increasingly silly thread, you 
>>> certainly capped it all. 
>>>
>>> OTOH, I could see you struggling to lift those behemoths.
>>>
>>> Long ago, when my daughter was 5 or 6 (she will, God willing, turn 22 in 
>>> early June), I would be horsing around and playing the fool, and she would 
>>> say, very earnestly and emphatically: "Daddy! Be *sewious!*" I begin to 
>>> understand her sentiment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:38 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll 
 include the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram, 
 which I’ve set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it 
 back to private.

 I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells 
 and set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for 
 the ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is 
 entirely in response to these silly threads.
 Leah
 https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit 
> in frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the 
> K-Lite. 
>
> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 
> 2X thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all 
> considering 
> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb. 
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

"Shot at the Platypus ... directed at a particular person"? You live in a
universe different from mine.

"Point of the thread"? Absolutely none on my part except to spout a
momentary interest. What was your purpose in chiming in so enthusiastically?

Sheesh!


On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 7:55 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Ok I'll cut to the chase: What is the point of the threads? They seem to
> be a shot at the Platypus on a Riv forum in favor of two non-Rivs, and
> frankly they seem directed at a particular person. I've done my best to
> remain unserious about the whole affair but I'm kinda stumped on what the
> purpose of this was.
>
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 6:38:35 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Just for the record -- as the one who started all this nonsense -- I
>> don't fret about weight, well, with one exception, below; and I weighed the
>> Matthews only on a momentary impulse of curiosity; the Monocog followed as
>> a kind of academic investigation.
>>
>> In fact, I fret mildly about weight only for one bike, and that is the
>> 1999 Joe Starck Gofast Fixie Custom Road; and even on that one I chose most
>> parts for performance or looks instead of weight -- Dura Ace SPDs instead
>> of Look KEOS or Speedplay X-1s, Phil hubs, DA GA 200 crank with 52 ring,
>> Surly Dingle. The only chi chi light part is (I blush to admit) a titanium
>> stem bolt. 18 lb even. The SA TF hubs adds 11 oz and the TC much more
>> again, an amount I've not bothered to register.
>>
>> All my other bikes were built without regard for weight and range from
>> the 28 lb Matthews #2, clone of 2003 Curt Riv Road custom with SA AM hub,
>> to the 32 lb Matthews #1 and the Monocog at 32.25 -- all of these weighed
>> with full kit bags of 2 or 3 lb each.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 6:54 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Leah: I laughed my head off. For an increasingly silly thread, you
>>> certainly capped it all.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I could see you struggling to lift those behemoths.
>>>
>>> Long ago, when my daughter was 5 or 6 (she will, God willing, turn 22 in
>>> early June), I would be horsing around and playing the fool, and she would
>>> say, very earnestly and emphatically: "Daddy! Be *sewious!*" I begin to
>>> understand her sentiment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:38 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll
 include the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram,
 which I’ve set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it
 back to private.

 I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells
 and set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for
 the ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is
 entirely in response to these silly threads.
 Leah
 https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit
> in frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the
> K-Lite.
>
> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with
> 2X thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all 
> considering
> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb.
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Sister

[Doug H.]

Welcome Lacy. If, like me, you have enjoyed cycling most of your life then 
that first ride on a Rivendell can be mind-blowing. I had no clue that a 
bicycle could be so comfortable, functional and fun to ride!
Doug

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 9:16:52 PM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:

>
> Her name is Lacy.  I’ll put her in touch.  She isn’t a member of 
> rbw-owners-bunch yet, but we’ll see how she takes to the Platy long term. 
>  We live near Atlanta on the Silver Comet, 
> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA , and the Platy 
> seems the ideal bike at this point.
>
> For Patrick, she bought a KTM heavy touring bike in 2002 while we lived in 
> Germany.  With full shock absorber suspension, it is NOT lighter than your 
> Platypus.  Let’s face it, it is a beast.  A pretty beast with a gold Deore 
> LX groupset and hydraulic disc brakes, which served us well for touring, 
> but she really didn’t enjoy it much over the last few years.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

Ok I'll cut to the chase: What is the point of the threads? They seem to be 
a shot at the Platypus on a Riv forum in favor of two non-Rivs, and frankly 
they seem directed at a particular person. I've done my best to remain 
unserious about the whole affair but I'm kinda stumped on what the purpose 
of this was.  

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 6:38:35 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just for the record -- as the one who started all this nonsense -- I don't 
> fret about weight, well, with one exception, below; and I weighed the 
> Matthews only on a momentary impulse of curiosity; the Monocog followed as 
> a kind of academic investigation.
>
> In fact, I fret mildly about weight only for one bike, and that is the 
> 1999 Joe Starck Gofast Fixie Custom Road; and even on that one I chose most 
> parts for performance or looks instead of weight -- Dura Ace SPDs instead 
> of Look KEOS or Speedplay X-1s, Phil hubs, DA GA 200 crank with 52 ring, 
> Surly Dingle. The only chi chi light part is (I blush to admit) a titanium 
> stem bolt. 18 lb even. The SA TF hubs adds 11 oz and the TC much more 
> again, an amount I've not bothered to register.
>
> All my other bikes were built without regard for weight and range from the 
> 28 lb Matthews #2, clone of 2003 Curt Riv Road custom with SA AM hub, to 
> the 32 lb Matthews #1 and the Monocog at 32.25 -- all of these weighed with 
> full kit bags of 2 or 3 lb each.
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 6:54 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Leah: I laughed my head off. For an increasingly silly thread, you 
>> certainly capped it all. 
>>
>> OTOH, I could see you struggling to lift those behemoths.
>>
>> Long ago, when my daughter was 5 or 6 (she will, God willing, turn 22 in 
>> early June), I would be horsing around and playing the fool, and she would 
>> say, very earnestly and emphatically: "Daddy! Be *sewious!*" I begin to 
>> understand her sentiment.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:38 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll 
>>> include the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram, 
>>> which I’ve set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it 
>>> back to private.
>>>
>>> I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells and 
>>> set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for the 
>>> ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is entirely in 
>>> response to these silly threads.
>>> Leah
>>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit 
 in frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the 
 K-Lite. 

 Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 
 2X thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all 
 considering 
 that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb. 
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Re: [RBW] WTB 650b conversion parts for Riv Road Standard

[Doug Van Cleve]

Are you sure this isn’t a Long Low?  I have a ‘99 JS Road Std, also with
short reach brakes (that probably maxes out between 32 and 35mm) and I
don’t recall the Road Std having any other brake option…

Doug


On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:03 PM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I also have a Joe Starck Road Standard from that era, but mine has short
> reach brakes.  It barely fits a 700c 30mm under the brakes, I'm surprised
> you got a 35 in there.  Yours must have been built with more brake
> clearance than mine.   I also converted mine to 650B and have ridden it
> 10,000 kilometers of brevets that way and lots of other rides.  I'm not so
> sure you'll be able to fit a 42 in there though, the chainstay width and
> fork width is the limiting factor on my bike.  I'm pretty sure a 42mm would
> rub.  However, if you can make it work then more power to you.  I'm happy
> with my 38s and cream longboards I got from Rivendell.
>
> I want to also convert my Redwood, and I'm hoping it will fit 650Bx48.  I
> do have the parts to do it, but you would not like the rims I have anyway,
> I'm 6'7" 300+ and I've destroyed too many lightweight rims to buy any more,
> it gets expensive.  600-650 grams is where I shoot for now.  I've gotten
> good service from Velocity Atlas 650B, to name one in particular.
> Eventually though they all crack around the spoke bed and I have to get
> another wheel built.  I need to get back down to my pre-parenthood weight,
> more in the 240-260 range, that was easier on bike parts.
>
> Anyway good luck with your older Rivendell!  I love mine!
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Just for the record -- as the one who started all this nonsense -- I don't
fret about weight, well, with one exception, below; and I weighed the
Matthews only on a momentary impulse of curiosity; the Monocog followed as
a kind of academic investigation.

In fact, I fret mildly about weight only for one bike, and that is the 1999
Joe Starck Gofast Fixie Custom Road; and even on that one I chose most
parts for performance or looks instead of weight -- Dura Ace SPDs instead
of Look KEOS or Speedplay X-1s, Phil hubs, DA GA 200 crank with 52 ring,
Surly Dingle. The only chi chi light part is (I blush to admit) a titanium
stem bolt. 18 lb even. The SA TF hubs adds 11 oz and the TC much more
again, an amount I've not bothered to register.

All my other bikes were built without regard for weight and range from the
28 lb Matthews #2, clone of 2003 Curt Riv Road custom with SA AM hub, to
the 32 lb Matthews #1 and the Monocog at 32.25 -- all of these weighed with
full kit bags of 2 or 3 lb each.

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 6:54 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Leah: I laughed my head off. For an increasingly silly thread, you
> certainly capped it all.
>
> OTOH, I could see you struggling to lift those behemoths.
>
> Long ago, when my daughter was 5 or 6 (she will, God willing, turn 22 in
> early June), I would be horsing around and playing the fool, and she would
> say, very earnestly and emphatically: "Daddy! Be *sewious!*" I begin to
> understand her sentiment.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:38 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll
>> include the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram,
>> which I’ve set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it
>> back to private.
>>
>> I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells and
>> set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for the
>> ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is entirely in
>> response to these silly threads.
>> Leah
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit in
>>> frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the
>>> K-Lite.
>>>
>>> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 2X
>>> thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all considering
>>> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb.
>>> --
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Leah: I laughed my head off. For an increasingly silly thread, you
certainly capped it all.

OTOH, I could see you struggling to lift those behemoths.

Long ago, when my daughter was 5 or 6 (she will, God willing, turn 22 in
early June), I would be horsing around and playing the fool, and she would
say, very earnestly and emphatically: "Daddy! Be *sewious!*" I begin to
understand her sentiment.



On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:38 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll
> include the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram,
> which I’ve set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it
> back to private.
>
> I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells and
> set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for the
> ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is entirely in
> response to these silly threads.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit in
>> frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the
>> K-Lite.
>>
>> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 2X
>> thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all considering
>> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb.
>> --
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Julian Westerhout]

Leah, 

That video was great!   I laughed, and cheered!:) 

I'm 6'7" tall and weigh between 230 and 260 pounds (depending upon the 
season) and am both amused and annoyed at the "how much does that bike 
weigh?" and "How can you ride such a heavy bike?" comments I get when I 
show up for a club ride on one of my Rivs or other steel bikes (I own no 
carbon). My response is "Who cares? With me on it your carbon bike might 
weigh 1 to 2% less than me on my bike -- and since this is a B-C club 
(14-16 mph) ride and not the Tour de France  it makes no appreciable 
difference to my riding results, but to me the comfort of my bike is well 
worth a possible few seconds over 50 miles."   If it is someone I don't 
know I then make an effort to cruise by on an uphill while trying to look 
like I'm extending little effort. 

I also get all the style points. Rode Ragbrai last year with a good friend 
-- he rides carbon -- and every day lots of folks complimented my Atlantis, 
many wanting photos. On the last day he remarked that no one ever said 
anything about his bike, unlike me and the others on nice steel bikes 
scattered among the thousands of lookalike carbon bikes. 

I say, "Just Ride!" 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington IL 





On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 3:38:57 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll 
> include the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram, 
> which I’ve set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it 
> back to private.
>
> I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells and 
> set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for the 
> ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is entirely in 
> response to these silly threads.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit in 
>> frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the 
>> K-Lite. 
>>
>> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 2X 
>> thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all considering 
>> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb. 
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Sister

[Roberta]

Welcome new Riv sister. It’s easy to put on miles with the Platy. 

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:30:39 PM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:

> I just got my wife’s new Platypus rideable, so she put 10 miles on it 
> today.  It still needs fenders, light, and rack. and we’ll spend a few 
> months doing the tiny adjustments so it feels “just right”, but she already 
> likes it better than the bike she’s been riding for 20 years.
> So mark her down as a new Riv Sister.
>
> [image: First_Long_Ride-ss.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I had to respond to you in my favorite medium, Patrick. Video. I’ll include 
the link below, since the file is too big. It’s on my Instagram, which I’ve 
set to public for now, but hurry and watch before I switch it back to 
private.

I am making it my new favorite thing to take these classy Rivendells and 
set them to edgy, tacky hit music in Reels. The purists will ask for the 
ban hammer. The rest of you will hopefully laugh. This video is entirely in 
response to these silly threads.
Leah
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt" at 31.99 lb with full generous kit in 
> frame bag, which also contains the capacitor and switching box for the 
> K-Lite. 
>
> Dynamo lighting f and r, fenders of 2X thicker than your Honjos, with 2X 
> thicker struts, rear rack, cages, and pedals. Not bad at all considering 
> that the bag with its contents probably weighs close to 4 lb. 
> -- 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It’s about to get sillier. I made a video in response to Patrick’s thread. 
I’m attaching it as a link here, since it’s too big to include in the text. 
I changed my Instagram to public for this, but I’ll switch it back to 
private soon, so watch it before I do!

I’m on a roll over there with taking classic, classy Rivendells and putting 
them to tacky hit music. 5 years ago you long-time Riv fans would have 
thrown me out of here, but I think I’ve worn you down enough that you will 
find this palatable. Or not!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrohxSlgzAY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 3:24:54 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> "My bike is lighter than a bike that's heavier than my bike but heavier 
> than a bike that's lighter than my bike. True story. "
>
> Now Joe, that's just silly. Come to think of it, this whole thread is just 
> silly - which is probably why I keep following it ; )
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:30:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My bike is lighter than a bike that's heavier than my bike but heavier 
>> than a bike that's lighter than my bike. True story. 
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:43:55 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> https://youtu.be/R3Uf4OKYqzs
>>>
>>> The narrator is Phil Ligget's brother.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Now that's interesting. Watch even older videos of Coppi and Bartalli 
 on climbs and on the flats; 50 rpm standing in a 62" gear, and -- Coppi -- 
 120 rpm bursts in a 93" high alternating with coasting on the flats (48 X 
 14-21 4 speed); much as I used to ride (we pros share a great deal) with 
 the difference that (this was 30 years ago) my flatland cruising was about 
 64" at 108+ rpm for 20+ mph. No longer! 90 in a 76" gear is high. Funny, 
 it 
 was riding fixed that transformed me from a twiddler to a masher; true.

 On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 6:11 PM Garth  wrote:

> ... As I've watched pro road cycling since the 70/80's, this is how 
> everyone rode. Slow rpm in big gears uphill and huge gears spinning high 
> rpm with great supple' going downhill and on the flats. Watch Greg Lemond 
> in the 80's in race videos, he was fluid from the very low to very high 
> rpm. To be a pro you pretty much had to be able to do that. That started 
> to 
> change in the early 90's, where higher uphill rpm were beginning to 
> happen, 
> but that time frame coincided with the introduction of the drug EPO, 
> which 
> basically gave riders more oxygen in the blood so they could push those 
> higher rpm without running out of oxygen. That's how the story goes as I 
> understood it at least. Even still,  you see riders ride in every 
> conceivable way and so one must caution against implying "everyone does 
> this or that" because everyone is unique in their own way. 
>

>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Steve]

"My bike is lighter than a bike that's heavier than my bike but heavier 
than a bike that's lighter than my bike. True story. "

Now Joe, that's just silly. Come to think of it, this whole thread is just 
silly - which is probably why I keep following it ; )

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:30:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My bike is lighter than a bike that's heavier than my bike but heavier 
> than a bike that's lighter than my bike. True story. 
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:43:55 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/R3Uf4OKYqzs
>>
>> The narrator is Phil Ligget's brother.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Now that's interesting. Watch even older videos of Coppi and Bartalli on 
>>> climbs and on the flats; 50 rpm standing in a 62" gear, and -- Coppi -- 120 
>>> rpm bursts in a 93" high alternating with coasting on the flats (48 X 14-21 
>>> 4 speed); much as I used to ride (we pros share a great deal) with the 
>>> difference that (this was 30 years ago) my flatland cruising was about 64" 
>>> at 108+ rpm for 20+ mph. No longer! 90 in a 76" gear is high. Funny, it was 
>>> riding fixed that transformed me from a twiddler to a masher; true.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 6:11 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 ... As I've watched pro road cycling since the 70/80's, this is how 
 everyone rode. Slow rpm in big gears uphill and huge gears spinning high 
 rpm with great supple' going downhill and on the flats. Watch Greg Lemond 
 in the 80's in race videos, he was fluid from the very low to very high 
 rpm. To be a pro you pretty much had to be able to do that. That started 
 to 
 change in the early 90's, where higher uphill rpm were beginning to 
 happen, 
 but that time frame coincided with the introduction of the drug EPO, which 
 basically gave riders more oxygen in the blood so they could push those 
 higher rpm without running out of oxygen. That's how the story goes as I 
 understood it at least. Even still,  you see riders ride in every 
 conceivable way and so one must caution against implying "everyone does 
 this or that" because everyone is unique in their own way. 

>>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Sister

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

How wonderful! What is our new RivSister’s name? I’m so happy to hear that 
she is loving her Platypus, and I do hope you’ll tell us more as she gets 
to know it. Thanks for the introduction!
Leah

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 1:30:39 PM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:

> I just got my wife’s new Platypus rideable, so she put 10 miles on it 
> today.  It still needs fenders, light, and rack. and we’ll spend a few 
> months doing the tiny adjustments so it feels “just right”, but she already 
> likes it better than the bike she’s been riding for 20 years.
> So mark her down as a new Riv Sister.
>
> [image: First_Long_Ride-ss.JPG]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Kenda Kozmik Lite Pro Tires 29x2.0

[Paul M]

Sold. Thanks.

On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 20:31:52 UTC-7 Paul M wrote:

> Another set mounted on my Hillibike.
>
> On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 20:24:04 UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Nice multi-purpose tires with a tread design for off-road and street use 
>> that have never been used. Low profile knobs that blend into transition and 
>> edge knobs for a semi-slick tread pattern. This model is not tubeless 
>> compatible. $45/set plus $10 shipping.
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB 650b conversion parts for Riv Road Standard

[EGNolan]

And in regards to the 1up w/ a fendered bike; this was my only attempt thus 
far and no issue on the 2.5 hr trip home via the interstate. I've seen 
others use a pool noodle on the contact point around the rack's "arm" which 
seems to add cushion yet keep the contact point tight enough to trust it. 
It's a simple mechanism in the rack, but one I've come to trust.


On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-4 EGNolan wrote:

> Eric Marth asked about tubing; This one was built with Reynolds 725. Not 
> sure if stays/blades are the same, but that's what I was told. 
>
> Jim- It's definitely tighter at the stays than the fork, but 42's fit the 
> fork easily and in the rear with sufficient clearance if the wheel is at 
> the back of the dropouts. The fenders have plenty of room as well so I'm 
> pretty excited.
>
> Thanks for all who've reached out, I think I have a line on the 
> brakes/wheels, but will respond directly to those who've messaged me. I'll 
> post updates once complete.
>
> Eric
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:03:27 PM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> I also have a Joe Starck Road Standard from that era, but mine has short 
>> reach brakes.  It barely fits a 700c 30mm under the brakes, I'm surprised 
>> you got a 35 in there.  Yours must have been built with more brake 
>> clearance than mine.   I also converted mine to 650B and have ridden it 
>> 10,000 kilometers of brevets that way and lots of other rides.  I'm not so 
>> sure you'll be able to fit a 42 in there though, the chainstay width and 
>> fork width is the limiting factor on my bike.  I'm pretty sure a 42mm would 
>> rub.  However, if you can make it work then more power to you.  I'm happy 
>> with my 38s and cream longboards I got from Rivendell.
>>
>> I want to also convert my Redwood, and I'm hoping it will fit 650Bx48.  I 
>> do have the parts to do it, but you would not like the rims I have anyway, 
>> I'm 6'7" 300+ and I've destroyed too many lightweight rims to buy any more, 
>> it gets expensive.  600-650 grams is where I shoot for now.  I've gotten 
>> good service from Velocity Atlas 650B, to name one in particular.  
>> Eventually though they all crack around the spoke bed and I have to get 
>> another wheel built.  I need to get back down to my pre-parenthood weight, 
>> more in the 240-260 range, that was easier on bike parts.
>>
>> Anyway good luck with your older Rivendell!  I love mine!
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin suburbs
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:42 AM EGNolan  wrote:
>>
>>> I recently picked up a Joe Starck built, Joe Bell painted Riv Road 
>>> Standard from 96/97.
>>> [image: IMG_5429.png]
>>> Beautiful bike, rides great, BUT... I like a useful bike and this one 
>>> barely fits 700c x 35.  Add to that the Campy 8 speed rear hub that 
>>> severely limits my options & I'm on the hunt for the bits required for a 
>>> conversion...
>>>
>>> Testing proves 650b allows 42's + fenders (yee-haw) so that this bike 
>>> can be a keeper. I don't like to have too many bikes, but this should pair 
>>> nicely with my Cheviot as the Bleriot I recently found is a bit too big for 
>>> me (but perfect for my 14 y/o). 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *I'd love a set of Tektro 559* (allen) (some of you recent haters have 
>>> to have a set to get rid of cheap, right?)
>>>
>>> *I'd also love a decent 650b road-ish wheelset*. A23/Dyad or similar 
>>> rim and Novatec/105 or similar hub. 
>>>
>>> Where it currently sits with Alba's & 35 GravelKings.. [image: 
>>> IMG_5542.jpg]
>>>
>>> Lemme know what you've got & what you want. I do have lots of Nitto 
>>> stems (technomics ranging from 60-120), Noodles (46cm) and miscellaneous 
>>> goods if you'd rather trade.
>>>
>>> THANKS!
>>> Eric in Indpls.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB 650b conversion parts for Riv Road Standard

[EGNolan]

Eric Marth asked about tubing; This one was built with Reynolds 725. Not 
sure if stays/blades are the same, but that's what I was told. 

Jim- It's definitely tighter at the stays than the fork, but 42's fit the 
fork easily and in the rear with sufficient clearance if the wheel is at 
the back of the dropouts. The fenders have plenty of room as well so I'm 
pretty excited.

Thanks for all who've reached out, I think I have a line on the 
brakes/wheels, but will respond directly to those who've messaged me. I'll 
post updates once complete.

Eric

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:03:27 PM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:

> I also have a Joe Starck Road Standard from that era, but mine has short 
> reach brakes.  It barely fits a 700c 30mm under the brakes, I'm surprised 
> you got a 35 in there.  Yours must have been built with more brake 
> clearance than mine.   I also converted mine to 650B and have ridden it 
> 10,000 kilometers of brevets that way and lots of other rides.  I'm not so 
> sure you'll be able to fit a 42 in there though, the chainstay width and 
> fork width is the limiting factor on my bike.  I'm pretty sure a 42mm would 
> rub.  However, if you can make it work then more power to you.  I'm happy 
> with my 38s and cream longboards I got from Rivendell.
>
> I want to also convert my Redwood, and I'm hoping it will fit 650Bx48.  I 
> do have the parts to do it, but you would not like the rims I have anyway, 
> I'm 6'7" 300+ and I've destroyed too many lightweight rims to buy any more, 
> it gets expensive.  600-650 grams is where I shoot for now.  I've gotten 
> good service from Velocity Atlas 650B, to name one in particular.  
> Eventually though they all crack around the spoke bed and I have to get 
> another wheel built.  I need to get back down to my pre-parenthood weight, 
> more in the 240-260 range, that was easier on bike parts.
>
> Anyway good luck with your older Rivendell!  I love mine!
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:42 AM EGNolan  wrote:
>
>> I recently picked up a Joe Starck built, Joe Bell painted Riv Road 
>> Standard from 96/97.
>> [image: IMG_5429.png]
>> Beautiful bike, rides great, BUT... I like a useful bike and this one 
>> barely fits 700c x 35.  Add to that the Campy 8 speed rear hub that 
>> severely limits my options & I'm on the hunt for the bits required for a 
>> conversion...
>>
>> Testing proves 650b allows 42's + fenders (yee-haw) so that this bike can 
>> be a keeper. I don't like to have too many bikes, but this should pair 
>> nicely with my Cheviot as the Bleriot I recently found is a bit too big for 
>> me (but perfect for my 14 y/o). 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *I'd love a set of Tektro 559* (allen) (some of you recent haters have 
>> to have a set to get rid of cheap, right?)
>>
>> *I'd also love a decent 650b road-ish wheelset*. A23/Dyad or similar rim 
>> and Novatec/105 or similar hub. 
>>
>> Where it currently sits with Alba's & 35 GravelKings.. [image: 
>> IMG_5542.jpg]
>>
>> Lemme know what you've got & what you want. I do have lots of Nitto stems 
>> (technomics ranging from 60-120), Noodles (46cm) and miscellaneous goods if 
>> you'd rather trade.
>>
>> THANKS!
>> Eric in Indpls.
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr. H

[Jason D]

Giving this a bump!

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:49:57 PM UTC-4 Jason D wrote:

> Awesome! Thanks for letting me know on here Gary I'll check and make sure 
> it made it to my inbox.
>
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 3:31:00 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason, sent you a pm yesterday about your Clem.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 8:26:01 PM UTC-4 Jason D wrote:
>>
>>> Haha yes indeed - thanks Joe!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:52:05 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Beautiful bike & I know that spot.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:01 AM, Jason D  wrote:

 Hi friends!



 Hoping this bike finds a great home with one of you! Forgive me I get a 
 little attached to my bikes haha and I have a soft spot for this one. 

 This is a 52cm Clem H, the model that has the curved seat stays which I 
 think look very nice. It hasn’t been a trail bike, I just ride it casually 
 on the paved bike trails around Columbus, OH, so it is in very good 
 condition. The bike paths in Columbus are great by the way if you’re ever 
 up this way.

 I’m starting off offering this as a pickup or meetup preferred. I am in 
 Columbus OH, Charleston WV, Asheville NC and all points in between quite 
 frequently so hoping that works for someone.

 Pedals, bottle cage, and saddle not included.

 $950

 Microshift Rear Derailleur
 Shimano Alivio Front Derailleur
 SunRace Thumb Shifters 3 x 7
 Sugino Triple Crankset 175mm 46-38-28
 Shimano MF-HG37 Sprocket 7 Speed 13-28
 Planet Bike Eco Rack rear rack
 Kenda Kranium 1.75” x 27.5” Tires
 Sta-Tru 27.5” wheelset - Schrader valve
 Nitto Technomic Stem and Velo Orange Handlebars
 VO Cork grips (one is cracked and will need glued or replaced)
 Tektro Eclipse brake levers
 Tektro V Brakes

 Kickstand

 


 More pics: 
 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YO10FjeUI-utFfsHi6MYi6lqPpXyA19h?usp=sharing

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