[RBW] Re: Rivendells of Nutmeg

[Eric Marth]

@Pam: I didn't see any women on Rivendells! 

@Adam: Dang, I missed the custom. What color was it and how was it set up? 

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 11:29:12 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Drew, yes, I took the Bridgestone. And I still have the Hillborne. 
>
> Here's a scandalous non-driveside picture of it at Peter Weigle's. 
>
> [image: Nutmeg 230506H 09S.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:04:25 PM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good looking Bikes Everyone! 
>>
>> @eric You rode that sweet Bridgestone? Still got the S. Hillborne too? 
>>
>> Max's Hunq is my favorite, can't beat that middle tube. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:24:12 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There was also a Custom at Weigle's, but I didn't see who was riding it 
>>> (nor did I take a photo). Nice to meet you all out there!!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendells of Nutmeg

[Drew Fitchette]

Good looking Bikes Everyone! 

@eric You rode that sweet Bridgestone? Still got the S. Hillborne too? 

Max's Hunq is my favorite, can't beat that middle tube. 

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:24:12 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:

> There was also a Custom at Weigle's, but I didn't see who was riding it 
> (nor did I take a photo). Nice to meet you all out there!!
>
> Adam
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 55 cm Platypus, mermaid

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

BUMP. This bike is still for sale. Snap it up! Riding season is here and 
you need your mermaid Platypus for all your upcoming adventures!

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 10:17:41 PM UTC-4 mary.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> Located in Buffalo NY.  I can get it boxed up ready to ship.
> Mary
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:13:11 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Where is she located?  Not a bad price for everything included.  If 
>> anyone needs to try out a 55 Cheviot which is similar, you can come try 
>> mine in Charlotte, NC.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:56:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Mary’s 55 cm Platypus, photos:
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
>>> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>> I got an email from a woman who has a 55 cm Platypus for sale. She is 
>>> not on the List and asked if I would forward her information and her FS 
>>> listing. I’m hoping this is not in violation of the rules -  I will attach 
>>> what she sent me below:
>>>
>>> For sale:   
>>>
>>> RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
>>> I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
>>> things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
>>> Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
>>> The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is include
>>> d.
>>> Price: $3200
>>>
>>> Parts list includes:
>>>
>>> Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
>>> IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
>>> IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
>>> Grand Cru Brake Levers
>>> Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
>>> Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
>>> Velo Orange BB 118mm
>>> Albatross HB
>>> Graelking 700 x 38 pair
>>> Tubes
>>> MKS Lambda Pedals
>>> Microshift FD R9
>>> Microshift RD R10
>>> Brake hangers FR / RR
>>> Velo Orange Fenders
>>> Nitto Rear Rack
>>> Brooks Bar Tape
>>> VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
>>> RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
>>> Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
>>> Terry saddle
>>> Wald basket with basket net
>>>
>>> You can contact Mary at:
>>> mary.f...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> I’ll send her photos in the next post.
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[Garth]

The photos are nicely scaled Keith ! 

The Chunk curly tip tube thing looks like they decided to add "something" 
to distinguish it from a Susie/Gus. I won't say it really matches the 
angles though. It also doesn't have the front-center and reach that the S/G 
has, nor do any of the others. The Ritchey frame looks a little "too" short 
of front-center not to have your feet hit the tires, depending on how big 
your feet are and where you place them. My perspective though leans on the 
side of requiring very long top TT/F-C. I definitely prefer the sleek tubed 
simplicity and elegance of the Susie/Gus to any of the others. Myself I'll 
never get used to how disc brakes look. They may function great, but I find 
there's something lost in style when they're present. I love watching old 
pro racing videos with all the narrow tubed racing frames, with thin skinny 
tubular rims and tires. They're just so elegant, suspended in air but these 
seemingly tiny tubes and wheels. 

On second thought, yeah, a Hillibike *must* have a swoop mid- tube or else 
it can't be called a Susie, however it's attached. 


On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:28:57 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

The Chunk looks interesting, but I'm kind of not quite getting it.  It sort 
of looks like a Jones Spaceframe, but with too many seat stays, which would 
prevent it from having the wonderful vertical flex that the rear end of the 
spaceframe has.   It'a not unattractive -  I just tend to look for lineage 
of ideas and the original rationalle behind them.  Maybe it's enough just 
to be different and pretty.  

Here's where my mind goes though.  Not intended to be comprehensive or 
authoritative - just thinking about the "swoop-tube" and hoping the lugged 
susie keeps it (comparison pics for illustration and for fun):

- If fatback bent tubes on its fatbikes to get the necessary standover when 
your feet sink into deep snow, then Ritchey built on that idea in a more 
attractive way 

- If Rivendell took the functionality and their love of step-throughs, and 
raised the top tube a bit for rigidity and more versatile sizing, then Velo 
orange seized on the idea as an aesthetic.  

- Tanglefoot seemed to take the best of both ideas.  

 I'm sure there's many historical examples of all these, since no idea is 
new.  Or almost... 'caue then there's Jones.He started out trying to 
get a non-suspension frame that flexed just enough to take the edge off of 
things,  and the low top tube came about as a sort of happy accident. 
 


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[RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[st nick]

I was recently talking with a friend here in the area also looking for a 26.8 
set post with more set back for his Roadini.
He decided to have Rivbike order the IRC one for him some have had issues with 
because he heard a Rivendell employee recently had tried one and had no issues 
because IRC had resolved the issue with a thicker serrated washer.
He said he would report back after trying it.
Personally I would consult with an experienced frame builder about reaming out 
a seat tube especially with an expensive frame and have an expert builder donut 
if I went that route.
I might've tempted to try it on a $50 Craiglist bike but not a nice bike I 
loved.
Safe riding to all.
Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[greenteadrinkers]

Keith - super cool summation of swoop tubes! That evolution brings me back 
to a bike design I learned about in a thread from another article about ATB 
on bikepacking.com about Geoff Apps and his short and high Cleland Aventura 
off-road design. No idea how many got produced, but looks like a super fun 
bike, would love to spend a day on one of these. Here's a YT video of the 
design in action. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbWuIHESe5M

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:28:57 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> The Chunk looks interesting, but I'm kind of not quite getting it.  It 
> sort of looks like a Jones Spaceframe, but with too many seat stays, which 
> would prevent it from having the wonderful vertical flex that the rear end 
> of the spaceframe has.   It'a not unattractive -  I just tend to look for 
> lineage of ideas and the original rationalle behind them.  Maybe it's 
> enough just to be different and pretty.  
>
> Here's where my mind goes though.  Not intended to be comprehensive or 
> authoritative - just thinking about the "swoop-tube" and hoping the lugged 
> susie keeps it (comparison pics for illustration and for fun):
>
> - If fatback bent tubes on its fatbikes to get the necessary standover 
> when your feet sink into deep snow, then Ritchey built on that idea in a 
> more attractive way 
>
> - If Rivendell took the functionality and their love of step-throughs, and 
> raised the top tube a bit for rigidity and more versatile sizing, then Velo 
> orange seized on the idea as an aesthetic.  
>
> - Tanglefoot seemed to take the best of both ideas.  
>
>  I'm sure there's many historical examples of all these, since no idea is 
> new.  Or almost... 'caue then there's Jones.He started out trying to 
> get a non-suspension frame that flexed just enough to take the edge off of 
> things,  and the low top tube came about as a sort of happy accident. 
>  
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> The Crumbworks Chunk looks thrilling! Has the gorgeous lines of a Susie 
>> and the DNA of a 0mm drop-bar'd dropper posted Tanglefoot Hardtack.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:27:11 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I ride a Clem in the heart of the American South and it's macho enough 
>>> for me, not that I need a macho bicycle. I chatted with a biker (motorcycle 
>>> biker) at a gas station and he complimented the Clem and said it was cool. 
>>> If you need a "man's bike" that says more about you than the bike I think. 
>>> Shed those stereotypes and Just Ride.
>>> Doug
>>> [image: IMG_0330.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:33:19 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Right you are, Bill - I knew I was taking a guess as I couldn't recall 
 which it was.  But figured folks would know what I meant :)   The only 
 thing I don't like about it is the bottle bosses on the curved top tube - 
 just doesn't jive with the otherwise highly elegant appearance - two on 
 the 
 top of the DT and one on the bottom of the DT seem like plenty, especially 
 with the fork mounts too.  It's 100/142 axle?  Kind of surprising with the 
 2.8" clearance. 

 I too would want threadless and more modern MTB axle standards for my 
 dedicated off-road bike. I really, really want a Stooge mk6. 



 On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 16:25:09 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Are you and Jason both misspelling it "CHONK" ?  I've read about the 
> CHUNK?  Or is there another model actually called the CHONK?  
>
> Assuming it's the CHUNK, I agree it's a cool looking bike.  It's like 
> a step through, upright bars, version of Patrick Moore's "RBFD" (Road 
> Bike 
> For Dirt).  It's definitely not a mountain bike, though.  It's got road 
> bike through axle spacing, and takes road bike disc brakes and rotors.  
> It's even got a 1" threaded steerer.  It's a disc brake Platypus, but it 
> takes fatter tires.  The closest thing to a Rivendell is that it's a disc 
> brake Susie Longbolts.  A svelte rider who knows how to ride light could 
> do 
> lots of dirt bombing on a disc brake Susie Longbolts.  It's definitely 
> less 
> stout than a Gus, in my opinion.  It's a very cool bike, and there's 
> nothing quite like it.  Anybody who wanted a Susie but wished the Susie 
> had 
> disc brakes should be PUMPED, pending geo-charts of course.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:27:19 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> That Crumbworks Chonk looks amazing! I’ve been thinking about it ever 
>> since first seeing the photos. It’s like a mix between a Gus, a Platy, 
>> and 
>> a Jones Spaceframe. So cool and lovely curves!
>>
>> On May 17, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> (and yes, I picture the Crumbworks Chonk as I describe it!) 
>>
>>
>>

Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes I found another thread to post a pic of my Rivendell on. Learn it, know 
it, live it 

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:15:22 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed, I think a Riv mixte/step-thru looks like a Harley cruiser to the 
> Harley folks. You start at the high pullback bars, then it slopes down and 
> back to under the saddle, then back up to the saddle for the second peak 
> and back down to the rear of the bike. And it's a stretched frame. Observe!
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230518_080844.jpg]
>
>
> My [image: Screenshot_20230518_081206.jpg]
> I live in biker country and get a lot of nods from the Harley riders, they 
> seem to instinctively react to the familiar form. 
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:27:11 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I ride a Clem in the heart of the American South and it's macho enough 
>> for me, not that I need a macho bicycle. I chatted with a biker (motorcycle 
>> biker) at a gas station and he complimented the Clem and said it was cool. 
>> If you need a "man's bike" that says more about you than the bike I think. 
>> Shed those stereotypes and Just Ride.
>> Doug
>> [image: IMG_0330.jpeg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:33:19 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Right you are, Bill - I knew I was taking a guess as I couldn't recall 
>>> which it was.  But figured folks would know what I meant :)   The only 
>>> thing I don't like about it is the bottle bosses on the curved top tube - 
>>> just doesn't jive with the otherwise highly elegant appearance - two on the 
>>> top of the DT and one on the bottom of the DT seem like plenty, especially 
>>> with the fork mounts too.  It's 100/142 axle?  Kind of surprising with the 
>>> 2.8" clearance. 
>>>
>>> I too would want threadless and more modern MTB axle standards for my 
>>> dedicated off-road bike. I really, really want a Stooge mk6. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 16:25:09 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Are you and Jason both misspelling it "CHONK" ?  I've read about the 
 CHUNK?  Or is there another model actually called the CHONK?  

 Assuming it's the CHUNK, I agree it's a cool looking bike.  It's like a 
 step through, upright bars, version of Patrick Moore's "RBFD" (Road Bike 
 For Dirt).  It's definitely not a mountain bike, though.  It's got road 
 bike through axle spacing, and takes road bike disc brakes and rotors.  
 It's even got a 1" threaded steerer.  It's a disc brake Platypus, but it 
 takes fatter tires.  The closest thing to a Rivendell is that it's a disc 
 brake Susie Longbolts.  A svelte rider who knows how to ride light could 
 do 
 lots of dirt bombing on a disc brake Susie Longbolts.  It's definitely 
 less 
 stout than a Gus, in my opinion.  It's a very cool bike, and there's 
 nothing quite like it.  Anybody who wanted a Susie but wished the Susie 
 had 
 disc brakes should be PUMPED, pending geo-charts of course.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA 

 On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:27:19 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> That Crumbworks Chonk looks amazing! I’ve been thinking about it ever 
> since first seeing the photos. It’s like a mix between a Gus, a Platy, 
> and 
> a Jones Spaceframe. So cool and lovely curves!
>
> On May 17, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> (and yes, I picture the Crumbworks Chonk as I describe it!) 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 10:48:23 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I really, really want it to be a mountain mixte.  That would give it 
>> the torsional stiffness that IMO a hillibike needs while still keeping 
>> vertical compliance, and the low standover Grant (and others!) prefer 
>> for 
>> an off-roader.  A mixte frame with 2.6" knobby tires and a nicely 
>> slacked 
>> out front end would be a beauty. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, 16 May 2023 at 07:58:44 UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> The Hunqapillar does have a certain forbidden fruit mystique.  I 
>>> don't think I've heard any other Riv model mentioned as often in the 
>>> context of wishing it would come back.   
>>>
>>> For me, the ultimate Riv would have been a 54 or 55 cm, 650b, single 
>>> top-tube Bombadil.  I remember the 52 would have been my size, and too 
>>> small, and the next largest size was way too big, and probably 700c, to 
>>> boot.  I still may 650b my 54 Hunqapillar some day.  I'm guessing it 
>>> wouldn't be hard to mostly hide disk brake tabs in elephant gray paint.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:03:24 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>
 *If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer 
 version would just be an Appaloosa.*

 this is what i tell myself all the time. always wanted a hunq, but 
 ended up with an appa. i used to hate the long chain stays and i still 

Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[greenteadrinkers]

The Crumbworks Chunk looks thrilling! Has the gorgeous lines of a Susie and 
the DNA of a 0mm drop-bar'd dropper posted Tanglefoot Hardtack.

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:27:11 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I ride a Clem in the heart of the American South and it's macho enough for 
> me, not that I need a macho bicycle. I chatted with a biker (motorcycle 
> biker) at a gas station and he complimented the Clem and said it was cool. 
> If you need a "man's bike" that says more about you than the bike I think. 
> Shed those stereotypes and Just Ride.
> Doug
> [image: IMG_0330.jpeg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:33:19 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Right you are, Bill - I knew I was taking a guess as I couldn't recall 
>> which it was.  But figured folks would know what I meant :)   The only 
>> thing I don't like about it is the bottle bosses on the curved top tube - 
>> just doesn't jive with the otherwise highly elegant appearance - two on the 
>> top of the DT and one on the bottom of the DT seem like plenty, especially 
>> with the fork mounts too.  It's 100/142 axle?  Kind of surprising with the 
>> 2.8" clearance. 
>>
>> I too would want threadless and more modern MTB axle standards for my 
>> dedicated off-road bike. I really, really want a Stooge mk6. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 16:25:09 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Are you and Jason both misspelling it "CHONK" ?  I've read about the 
>>> CHUNK?  Or is there another model actually called the CHONK?  
>>>
>>> Assuming it's the CHUNK, I agree it's a cool looking bike.  It's like a 
>>> step through, upright bars, version of Patrick Moore's "RBFD" (Road Bike 
>>> For Dirt).  It's definitely not a mountain bike, though.  It's got road 
>>> bike through axle spacing, and takes road bike disc brakes and rotors.  
>>> It's even got a 1" threaded steerer.  It's a disc brake Platypus, but it 
>>> takes fatter tires.  The closest thing to a Rivendell is that it's a disc 
>>> brake Susie Longbolts.  A svelte rider who knows how to ride light could do 
>>> lots of dirt bombing on a disc brake Susie Longbolts.  It's definitely less 
>>> stout than a Gus, in my opinion.  It's a very cool bike, and there's 
>>> nothing quite like it.  Anybody who wanted a Susie but wished the Susie had 
>>> disc brakes should be PUMPED, pending geo-charts of course.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:27:19 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That Crumbworks Chonk looks amazing! I’ve been thinking about it ever 
 since first seeing the photos. It’s like a mix between a Gus, a Platy, and 
 a Jones Spaceframe. So cool and lovely curves!

 On May 17, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 (and yes, I picture the Crumbworks Chonk as I describe it!) 



 On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 10:48:23 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I really, really want it to be a mountain mixte.  That would give it 
> the torsional stiffness that IMO a hillibike needs while still keeping 
> vertical compliance, and the low standover Grant (and others!) prefer for 
> an off-roader.  A mixte frame with 2.6" knobby tires and a nicely slacked 
> out front end would be a beauty. 
>
> On Tuesday, 16 May 2023 at 07:58:44 UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> The Hunqapillar does have a certain forbidden fruit mystique.  I 
>> don't think I've heard any other Riv model mentioned as often in the 
>> context of wishing it would come back.   
>>
>> For me, the ultimate Riv would have been a 54 or 55 cm, 650b, single 
>> top-tube Bombadil.  I remember the 52 would have been my size, and too 
>> small, and the next largest size was way too big, and probably 700c, to 
>> boot.  I still may 650b my 54 Hunqapillar some day.  I'm guessing it 
>> wouldn't be hard to mostly hide disk brake tabs in elephant gray paint.
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:03:24 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> *If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer 
>>> version would just be an Appaloosa.*
>>>
>>> this is what i tell myself all the time. always wanted a hunq, but 
>>> ended up with an appa. i used to hate the long chain stays and i still 
>>> *prefer 
>>> *the hunq, but I i really like my appaloosa.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:39:49 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 RBW have stated at least once that the Hunqapillar will come back, 
 but in a different form.  I hope that's what is coming in October.  

 If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer 
 version would just be an Appaloosa.  Other than longer chainstays and 
 probably heavier tubes, the Appaloosa is very, very similar to the old 
 Hunqapillar, at least in the mid-sizes (ie, 54 Hunq, 55 Appaloosa).   
 I 
 would love to ride my 54 

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy info request

[Kiley Demond]

There is one on eBay for $2499. It has been listed for months so discerning 
buyers get that it is wildly overpriced, albeit beautiful.

I wanted one after reading the blog article from an Irish lass whose name I 
can't recall. By the time I got to Riv (I lived in the west bay on the 
peninsula so it was only a 2-hour drive ), it was a Cheviot and I ordered 
an orange one, greatly relieved that I wouldn't have to pick the BF green. 
I nearly bought the orange Clem but fell hard for the lugs on which the BF 
hooked me. Now, I'm looking for an orange Clem or will wait for the new 
Hilli-bikes.

Kiley

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 4:13:22 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What's the context?  
>
> A. Are you considering buying one?  Can you share the link to a listing?
> B. Or do you have one and need to sell it?  Can you share a picture or 
> size info so we can help you date it?
> C. Or do you have one and want to gather info about it?  Share a picture 
> and/or size info and we can probably help with that too
> D. Or do you really needs a comprehensive manufacturing record for all 
> batches of Betty Foy (and Yves Gomez?).  Or not manufacture, but sales 
> records for all moments in time where Rivendell Bicycle Works had them 
> available for purchase.  Or something even more comprehensive like the 
> marketing run up for the first batch of Betty's through to the marketing 
> announcement of the next version of step through, the Cheviut.
>
> We can probably help piece the story together for any of the above, 
> although D would probably need the most direct help from Rivendell.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:23:41 AM UTC-7 womba...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009 
>> was the first year?
>>
>> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>>
>> Thanks! Ann
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[藍俊彪]

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:57 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> It's interesting that you see them having numbness problems. I have all
> upright bars now because they work for me but I have found that none of
> them really give the number of hand positions that a really nice drop bar
> (or albastache) has. I know that the concept of hand positions are there
> but with the long stems needed for many of them and just general design I
> find most of the alternate hand positions are not really useful for
> anything but brief stints of time.
>
> Lots of people who are used to flat bars  don't have the habit of changing
hand positions and so develop numbness. After all, if you're used to a MTB
straight bar there are no positions to change to! It also takes effort and
time to adjust drop bar positions properly so you can spend lots of time in
the drops --- though once you've overcome that learning curve the increase
in speed (1-2 mph) is significant --- once I got my brother adjusted to a
drop bar he was surprised by how much faster the bike was --- at no
increase in discomfort!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[Johnny Alien]

It's interesting that you see them having numbness problems. I have all 
upright bars now because they work for me but I have found that none of 
them really give the number of hand positions that a really nice drop bar 
(or albastache) has. I know that the concept of hand positions are there 
but with the long stems needed for many of them and just general design I 
find most of the alternate hand positions are not really useful for 
anything but brief stints of time.

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:38:34 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I remember when I was pickup w/a shell camping traveling out West from 
> Ohio and spent a few days to rest and ride in Utah with my sister and her 
> husband I'll call JE who own/runs a local bike shop and a quite strong 
> rider, or so I read and heard. It's not like I had ever ridden with him 
> before, let alone spent any time with him. So the first day I arrive I go 
> out riding with his teenage son I'll call AN and I'm not feeling so great 
> and have a hard time keeping up the 20 some miles we ride. So it goes ... 
> The next day JE plans a ride of unknown duration with a buddy of his I'll 
> call CA, AN and yours truly. The city rests in a valley which is surrounded 
> on three sides by mountains. We head to one of more "gentle" uphill roads 
> out of town up a pass, a state highway and it's relatively even grade. The 
> first 10 miles are in the valley and to the top of the pass is another 6 
> miles. Everything is peachy until we hit the pass. I'm used to steep hills 
> in Ohio, but not mile are after mile of steady mountain grades, so I feel 
> like a boat anchor to the other three and lag behind, and they wait for at 
> the top of the pass. At the top I learn they're just getting started and 
> plan on riding another 45 miles or something. That's not anything I was 
> used to, and I'm not feeling great at the time so I decided it to return to 
> the valley and ride some extra miles on my own.  Dirty Harry would agree 
> that was the right move for the moment.
>
> A few days later JE plans another that includes a less steep 16 mile 
> valley canyon for about 47 miles total. He figures that'll be "easier" on 
> me he tells me later. So we hum along and get to the valley entrance 
> where a lone rider is spotted ahead. JE knows him and tells me he doesn't 
> want him riding with us and rather than tell him to get lost, it turns 
> into a surreal game of "let's drop him". So JE and CA begin to hammer. Oh 
> . now I see how JE really is a "pretty strong rider" and we're flying 
> along in big rings and after the initial "what have I gotten myself into, 
> again ?" I mean, we're flat out racing . I don't know what the thing 
> was between JE and tag-along guy, but whatever it was enough of an excuse 
> for JE to engage in the game, and it's either play along or be the one 
> dropped... heeheehee !  Well not today, not here, not now. Dirty Harry 
> agrees. Tag-a-long guy isn't dropped either. The turnaround is a little 
> awkward, to say the lest no fun being involved in dramas you have no 
> part in. The ride back down wasn't as hard for the obvious reason, it being 
> downhill and tag-a-long guy wasn't going to go away until we returned to 
> the Valley where he turned off. 
>
> I was used to racing and group rides and all but I didn't expect one to 
> break out there !  In all my group rides that I did no one ever crashed or 
> really had anything go awry. In racing I crashed "over my head" for real 
> once when some riders crashed right in front of me in a criterium and I had 
> nowhere to else to go but in/over them. That was surreal, to say the least. 
> There's many times in racing where I was wondering I belonged, getting 
> dropped up steep hills and catching up on the down. Racing/group riding is 
> wild though in that I found myself riding harder than I ever did on my own. 
> Mostly though I prefer to ride on my own as I have nothing to prove or 
> attain. I just love to ride my bike, that's it, period. Now I love riding 
> fast when I feel like it, and I've returned to riding like I used to in the 
> 80's, nice and stretched out with a long reach, and  a relatively flat 
> back. While this certainly does make riding into the wind easier, that's 
> not why I do it. I do it because it feels most natural of all, even uphill. 
> I tried the more upright thing for years and it always felt like a 
> struggle, like I'm trying to ride in a position that doesn't suit me at 
> all. I still have the Albatross bars on my two bikes, but they're near 
> level with my saddle and very stretched out. They also have bar end brake 
> levers and they're taped with padded tape over the curve. Here I'm able to 
> use the full extension of the bar. I could do without the rear 3 inches, 
> but I'm not chopping them as it's not in the way, my reach is quite long. I 
> have some Albastache and drop bars to try out, but it's not about the bar 
> shape necessarily, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[Garth]

I remember when I was pickup w/a shell camping traveling out West from Ohio 
and spent a few days to rest and ride in Utah with my sister and her 
husband I'll call JE who own/runs a local bike shop and a quite strong 
rider, or so I read and heard. It's not like I had ever ridden with him 
before, let alone spent any time with him. So the first day I arrive I go 
out riding with his teenage son I'll call AN and I'm not feeling so great 
and have a hard time keeping up the 20 some miles we ride. So it goes ... 
The next day JE plans a ride of unknown duration with a buddy of his I'll 
call CA, AN and yours truly. The city rests in a valley which is surrounded 
on three sides by mountains. We head to one of more "gentle" uphill roads 
out of town up a pass, a state highway and it's relatively even grade. The 
first 10 miles are in the valley and to the top of the pass is another 6 
miles. Everything is peachy until we hit the pass. I'm used to steep hills 
in Ohio, but not mile are after mile of steady mountain grades, so I feel 
like a boat anchor to the other three and lag behind, and they wait for at 
the top of the pass. At the top I learn they're just getting started and 
plan on riding another 45 miles or something. That's not anything I was 
used to, and I'm not feeling great at the time so I decided it to return to 
the valley and ride some extra miles on my own.  Dirty Harry would agree 
that was the right move for the moment.

A few days later JE plans another that includes a less steep 16 mile valley 
canyon for about 47 miles total. He figures that'll be "easier" on me 
he tells me later. So we hum along and get to the valley entrance where a 
lone rider is spotted ahead. JE knows him and tells me he doesn't want him 
riding with us and rather than tell him to get lost, it turns into a 
surreal game of "let's drop him". So JE and CA begin to hammer. Oh . 
now I see how JE really is a "pretty strong rider" and we're flying along 
in big rings and after the initial "what have I gotten myself into, again 
?" I mean, we're flat out racing . I don't know what the thing was 
between JE and tag-along guy, but whatever it was enough of an excuse for 
JE to engage in the game, and it's either play along or be the one 
dropped... heeheehee !  Well not today, not here, not now. Dirty Harry 
agrees. Tag-a-long guy isn't dropped either. The turnaround is a little 
awkward, to say the lest no fun being involved in dramas you have no 
part in. The ride back down wasn't as hard for the obvious reason, it being 
downhill and tag-a-long guy wasn't going to go away until we returned to 
the Valley where he turned off. 

I was used to racing and group rides and all but I didn't expect one to 
break out there !  In all my group rides that I did no one ever crashed or 
really had anything go awry. In racing I crashed "over my head" for real 
once when some riders crashed right in front of me in a criterium and I had 
nowhere to else to go but in/over them. That was surreal, to say the least. 
There's many times in racing where I was wondering I belonged, getting 
dropped up steep hills and catching up on the down. Racing/group riding is 
wild though in that I found myself riding harder than I ever did on my own. 
Mostly though I prefer to ride on my own as I have nothing to prove or 
attain. I just love to ride my bike, that's it, period. Now I love riding 
fast when I feel like it, and I've returned to riding like I used to in the 
80's, nice and stretched out with a long reach, and  a relatively flat 
back. While this certainly does make riding into the wind easier, that's 
not why I do it. I do it because it feels most natural of all, even uphill. 
I tried the more upright thing for years and it always felt like a 
struggle, like I'm trying to ride in a position that doesn't suit me at 
all. I still have the Albatross bars on my two bikes, but they're near 
level with my saddle and very stretched out. They also have bar end brake 
levers and they're taped with padded tape over the curve. Here I'm able to 
use the full extension of the bar. I could do without the rear 3 inches, 
but I'm not chopping them as it's not in the way, my reach is quite long. I 
have some Albastache and drop bars to try out, but it's not about the bar 
shape necessarily, it's about the proper reach and position of my hands and 
arms and my posture, for which the bars serve as the means by which my 
hands lightly rest and use to steer. With the other bars my hands would be 
in about the same place anyways. When I'm in the mood I'll do it. Once you 
have all that, and the core strength to ride low and stretched out with 
ease, you can use a bunch of various bars as you're not using the bars 
alone to support yourself. 


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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy info request

[Johnny Alien]

I kind of forgot about the Yves Gomez. I remembered the Glorius and Wilbury 
but not the YG. Did it not last very long?

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:33:56 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> The YG was a Betty with as manlier name, but the Cheviot was a completely 
> different model… one of the first long chainstay Rivs. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023, Pam Bikes  wrote:
>
>> Betty's were made in different sizes in different years.  And in the 
>> later years some were Yves Gomez and some were Cheviot.  What other 
>> questions do you have?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-4 womba...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009 
>>> was the first year?
>>>
>>> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>>>
>>> Thanks! Ann
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy info request

[Eric Daume]

The YG was a Betty with as manlier name, but the Cheviot was a completely
different model… one of the first long chainstay Rivs.

Eric

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023, Pam Bikes  wrote:

> Betty's were made in different sizes in different years.  And in the later
> years some were Yves Gomez and some were Cheviot.  What other questions do
> you have?
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-4 womba...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009
>> was the first year?
>>
>> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>>
>> Thanks! Ann
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Patrick Moore]

Blogger's -- Scot Key's -- response to my question:

Patrick: Thanks for reading and for your comments. Starting with your idea
of taking advantage of the wind, I have been fortuante enough to do that
with results that made for some of the easiest miles I’ve ever done coming
back north with the southerlies mid-afternoon. Being darn close to fitting
your spatially dyslexic 60-something rider in both age and learning style,
I do find Strava and other ‘net sources work for me (along with nerdy help
like the MRCOG traffic counts for areas I’ve never ridden). My other
singular advantage is that I’m too lazy to really “plan” rides beyond “hey,
let’s go over there” while riding half the time. That method has its
foibles, but learning via “trail and error” means you’re riding a bike,
which is the most important thing, imho. Specific to this ride through
Jarelas, I’d suggest going NM 109 as much as possible and staying on the
green/west of Rio Grande side coming back up NM 116, at least until the
traffic picks up heading back up to Belen, with side trips to parallel
north/south roads for lesser traffic back to the Rail Runner station. At
least that’s my current plan for the next ride, having done NM 304 on the
east side of the River this time (which was nice, but not as green and with
slightly higher traffic counts). – Scot




On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:49 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> That would be great. As a matter of fact I just got VM from the Apple
> Store saying the laptop is ready but I probably won't be able to pick it up
> until Friday or Monday.
>
> The route would be from the Alameda trailhead of the Paseo del Bosque
> Trail to Jarales.
>
> Of course, we'd follow the PDB Trail to the Chris Chavez Trail, and I'm
> familiar with the route that far; it's South from there that is terra
> incognita.
>
> The blog post that stimulated the idea is here:
> https://betterburque.org/2023/05/10/slow-cycling-through-jarales/
>
> This talks of Route 109.
>
> Google Maps gives this as a bike-optimized route, but I have my doubts:
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Paseo+del+Bosque+Trail:+Alameda+Trailhead,+Albuquerque,+NM/Jarales,+NM/@34.9353733,-106.8638938,11z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x872271607b6a0431:0x4bda9f35a6423d3e!2m2!1d-106.6405069!2d35.1953288!1m5!1m1!1s0x8721f05619627faf:0x6bfca7af46160550!2m2!1d-106.7636377!2d34.6131158!3e1
>
> One dicey-looking section is Route 47/Broadway as it passes over the maze
> of I-25 on- and offramps.
>
> Priorities would be low traffic of course and then lower hills.
>
> Our plan would be to loop back to the Southmost Belen RailRunner station
> for the trip back to ABQ.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Patrick
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:49 PM Pam Bikes 
> wrote:
>
>> I can look at the route and make one on Ride W/Gps if you want.  Then you
>> could join our CLub acct and you could use voice navigation.  Let me know
>> if I can help.
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 12:20:40 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I should add, lest anyone get an inflated idea of my cycling ability,
>>> that my plan would be to ride South and take the train back. Distance 1-way
>>> is 40 to 45 miles. Friend in question did 6K (or was it 8K? He did 8 one
>>> recent year) miles last year and he's 64.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I was just discussing a possible ride south of Albuquerque to Jaral
 with a friend and wondering about the best way to map it for minimum
 traffic; also to find out about any hills -- tho' I expect that, N/S, there
 won't be many.

 I'd like to join but I'll have to use my Mac Mini work computer as my
 Macbook Air is at the Apple Store waiting for a battery to come in. That
 means that I can see you (pl) but you (pl) can't see me. Given this, do you
 mind if I join?

 And is the meeting at 6 pm Pacific or in some other time zone? (I'm in
 Mountain.)

 Thanks.

 Patrick Moore, whose only bike with more than 3 speeds has 60 mm tires,
 in ABQ, NM -- may be I will buy some RH Snoqualmie Passes ...

 On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 9:51 AM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I use Ride With GPS, then write the route down on an index card w/ a
> fountain pen (Broad nib[image: routecard.jpg] for better
> visibility).  Put in a baggie if any rain is forecasted.  At night I have 
> a
> small light on the stem to use as a map light.
>
> I'll be doing a route planning workshop if anyone wants to join in on
> Zoom.  May 18 at 6.  Let me know if anyone wants the link.
>
> I plan routes just as you're describing everyday.  I probably have
> about 500 routes in Charlotte and a few where I've traveled.
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jeffrey; noted.
>>
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:13 PM Jeffrey Arita 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> One caveat: if you want the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Patrick Moore]

That would be great. As a matter of fact I just got VM from the Apple Store
saying the laptop is ready but I probably won't be able to pick it up until
Friday or Monday.

The route would be from the Alameda trailhead of the Paseo del Bosque Trail
to Jarales.

Of course, we'd follow the PDB Trail to the Chris Chavez Trail, and I'm
familiar with the route that far; it's South from there that is terra
incognita.

The blog post that stimulated the idea is here:
https://betterburque.org/2023/05/10/slow-cycling-through-jarales/

This talks of Route 109.

Google Maps gives this as a bike-optimized route, but I have my doubts:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Paseo+del+Bosque+Trail:+Alameda+Trailhead,+Albuquerque,+NM/Jarales,+NM/@34.9353733,-106.8638938,11z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x872271607b6a0431:0x4bda9f35a6423d3e!2m2!1d-106.6405069!2d35.1953288!1m5!1m1!1s0x8721f05619627faf:0x6bfca7af46160550!2m2!1d-106.7636377!2d34.6131158!3e1

One dicey-looking section is Route 47/Broadway as it passes over the maze
of I-25 on- and offramps.

Priorities would be low traffic of course and then lower hills.

Our plan would be to loop back to the Southmost Belen RailRunner station
for the trip back to ABQ.

Many thanks.

Patrick

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:49 PM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I can look at the route and make one on Ride W/Gps if you want.  Then you
> could join our CLub acct and you could use voice navigation.  Let me know
> if I can help.
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 12:20:40 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I should add, lest anyone get an inflated idea of my cycling ability,
>> that my plan would be to ride South and take the train back. Distance 1-way
>> is 40 to 45 miles. Friend in question did 6K (or was it 8K? He did 8 one
>> recent year) miles last year and he's 64.
>>
>> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I was just discussing a possible ride south of Albuquerque to Jaral with
>>> a friend and wondering about the best way to map it for minimum traffic;
>>> also to find out about any hills -- tho' I expect that, N/S, there won't be
>>> many.
>>>
>>> I'd like to join but I'll have to use my Mac Mini work computer as my
>>> Macbook Air is at the Apple Store waiting for a battery to come in. That
>>> means that I can see you (pl) but you (pl) can't see me. Given this, do you
>>> mind if I join?
>>>
>>> And is the meeting at 6 pm Pacific or in some other time zone? (I'm in
>>> Mountain.)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, whose only bike with more than 3 speeds has 60 mm tires,
>>> in ABQ, NM -- may be I will buy some RH Snoqualmie Passes ...
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 9:51 AM Pam Bikes  wrote:
>>>
 I use Ride With GPS, then write the route down on an index card w/ a
 fountain pen (Broad nib[image: routecard.jpg] for better visibility).
 Put in a baggie if any rain is forecasted.  At night I have a small light
 on the stem to use as a map light.

 I'll be doing a route planning workshop if anyone wants to join in on
 Zoom.  May 18 at 6.  Let me know if anyone wants the link.

 I plan routes just as you're describing everyday.  I probably have
 about 500 routes in Charlotte and a few where I've traveled.

 On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Jeffrey; noted.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:13 PM Jeffrey Arita 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> One caveat: if you want the verbal (voice) turn-by-turn feature that
>> ridewithgps offers (for routes), then you will need to pay for either a
>> Basic or Premium subscription.  The free version does not offer this
>> specific feature:
>>
>>
>> https://support.ridewithgps.com/hc/en-us/articles/4419572706971-Turn-by-Turn-Navigation
>>
>> Ask me how I know ;)
>>
>> We finally upgraded to the Premium subscription, primarily because
>> that level enables one to 'archive' routes (we have many, many routes and
>> they grow as time moves forward).  Archiving routes enables one to
>> 'activate' only those routes one wants to (perhaps) synchronize to their
>> desired gps standalone device (without having to scroll through dozens 
>> and
>> dozens of irrelevent routes).
>>
>> Just wanted to offer a different perspective.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:52:39 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Many thanks all; the unanimous and very quick agreement on
>>> Ridewithgps speaks well of it and I'lll check it out.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:56 AM Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city
 we often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride 
 to on
 direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there 
 are
 often off-road