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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice brake bits: Shovel Research

2023-07-21 Thread Brian Turner

The Shovel Research stuff is incredibly well made and designed. It should be noted however, the light mount clamp itself is made to clamp onto the 3/8” struts of the Rod Steward bag support only. It won’t work with the 7mm dia. Nitto struts or other 8mm struts from other rack manufacturers.On Jul 20, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Sam McDermott wrote:Just learned about Shovel Research on account of their dynamo light mount https://shovelresearch.com/light-mountExcellent, simple design that, once you see it, is shocking you haven't seen before.-SamOn Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:Just pulled this out of the box from Shovel Research and had to share - I love the care and level of detail Sal has put into designing, making and even packing & shipping each of the parts.I won't have time to install them anytime soon, but I love my Rod Steward and I imagine these will perform and look similarly.Get yours here while they are in stock: https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hangerMax

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

2023-07-21 Thread Leah Peterson

This story takes the cake. You’ve set us up perfectly, Danielle, with the hearts coming out of your eyes for the orange demo Cheviot and your eagerness at its impending arrival… As much as you wanted it, we wanted you to have it!Oh, but who could have guessed the part your hero would play… I gasped. I laughed. I…am so sorry. I am excited for you to have another New Bike Day without all the trauma. Please let us know if you get that Sergio Green Roadini. And, if you’d indulge me, I am curious about how it’s going with the Cheviot and what you’ll be using each bike for. I love to hear people’s Riv stories!Thanks for writing this; I so thoroughly enjoyed your storytelling.LeahOn Jul 21, 2023, at 1:51 AM, danielle da cruz wrote:This story hit me in the worst way. Six years ago for a milestone birthday I decided to purchase a beautiful orange Cheviot from Riv. I'd jumped on one that was too large for me that our local bike shop had on display and from that moment on could think of nothing else. I felt like a bird taking flight on that bike, so we placed the order for my size and waited for delivery. I got notice when it arrived and raced home to find that my ever-helpful partner had opened the box and was already assembling it (you know where this is going)... On our concrete walkway. With the frame laying on the bare ground, scratching along as he moved it. Taking a bite out of "v" in the Cheviot. Instant decal damage on day one. Scratched down to the steel. I feel sick to my stomach even thinking about it again. And so from moment one it was no longer pristine. Very special of course, but not entirely precious and future scrapes have gone down easier. Now I have my finger on the button again, ready for a Sergio Green Roadini this Thursday. I plan to take D(elivery) Day off from work and be sure my man with a plan is out of the house :) On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:15:59 PM UTC-4 Mojo wrote:In the winter of 2011, I bought a Mark-Nobilette-built Legolas. It was serious overlap with my 2001 custom Riv Road and 2005 Quickbeam. I justified it as my mixed-surface, foul-weather, fine-riding bike. I built it up during that winter with pleasing-to-me parts including a Ritchey Logic crank and a Shimergo drive train (Campy 11-spd Chorus brifters mated to Shimano 9 speed XT derailers (12-36 to 34/46 gearing)). My very first ride, I took it out to the nearby irrigation ditch to snap a photo with some mountains in the background. I leaned it up against a concrete irrigation valve and before I could snap a pic my sparkling new Legolas slid down the edge of the concrete and into the ditch. The top tube scratches were horrible. But those scratches freed me and the Legolas. I've ridden it plenty on paved roads in nice weather, but also without hesitation in gravel, snow, mud mixed with cow scat, thunderstorms with small hail. Big scratches for vanity instead of adventure was quite upsetting, but it has worked out for me and this fine bike. Joe in GJT CO

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Re: [RBW] Stark NAKED Platypus!!!

2023-07-21 Thread Brian Turner

Congrats Steve! Can’t wait to see how you put it all together!On Jul 20, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Steve wrote:It arrived earlier today from Austin, still wrapped up in the original RBW shipping box, purchased by the PO from last November's batch but never unpacked (thank you Leah for the tip).I'm planning to build it up as a road-ish cruiser, probably 38 to 44mm slicks, definitely with fenders. A Billie bar is on the way from Walnut Creek. I'll also be fitting it with a 3x8 drivetrain because I already own it, but am thinking about an eventual compact wide range double.This is my first Rivendell build. For those of you experienced with the Platy, or any of its kin, how would you do the build? I'd enjoy hearing any thoughts, opinions, or words of wisdom.Steve

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

2023-07-21 Thread Tim Bantham

Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially posting 
the FS items. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may have 
> picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
> casette. 
>
> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>
> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>
> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>
> Tim
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

2023-07-21 Thread Tim Bantham

Forgot to mention count on the cassette is 11/32

Tim

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially posting 
> the FS items. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may have 
>> picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
>> casette. 
>>
>> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>>
>> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
>> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>>
>> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Member New Riv

2023-07-21 Thread Ted W

Hey Jim, welcome! I was also fortunate enough to pick up an Appaloosa in
the last release. I debated a long time on what color to get and ultimately
went with the purple. It’s a great bike and I know you’re going to love it!

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:53 AM Jim Meltsner  wrote:

> Hi this is my first post. My lime green Appaloosa arrived last week and I
> am looking forward to getting it built and ridden. I plan to use is as my
> commuter rig.
> Jim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted post worries

2023-07-21 Thread Ted W

Thank you for your work, Jim. Appreciate the proactive move to remove the
lurkers and for your continued efforts to moderate the list.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:20 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> I have removed a couple of "members" who joined in the last month or so
> and seem to be here only to solicit direct transactions.
>
> Jim
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:08:48 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Just as a reminder, this is a publicly viewable list.
>>
>> The contact settings allow members of the group to contact another
>> member. Potentially, someone could join just to do so. That would mean that
>> they likely have not ever posted to the group, as their postings would be
>> moderated until they reach out to me directly.
>>
>> If the person shows no history of activity in the group, I'd strongly
>> encourage you to confirm they are legitimate. You can easily search by
>> member name or email.
>>
>> JIm / admin
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:52:53 PM UTC-7 melissa...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bummer. This post came a few days too late. Anita made off with 37 of my
>>> hard-earned dollars and no cork grips in sight :'(
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:16:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Can you even tell if someone posts often, other than just being
 familiar with their name? I've been on here for a couple of years but also
 don't really post much. I find that most questions I might have are often
 answered by a quick search and review of old threads. There is a wealth of
 knowledge on this group. It's hard to know if someone is trying to scam
 you. I guess using PayPal or some form of protected payment is the way to
 go.

 On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I better post more often as I like selling on this list and giving
> good deals. It seems scams are all around us.
>
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:30:31 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ted Wood,
>>
>> I got caught up in a spider web with Anita Batya most recently for
>> those *REW10 WORKS* hex brass valve caps . I was taken for a real
>> agitating tail spin with her. Still waiting for an answer from Paypal 
>> for a
>> refund to finalize my interests with her.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:13 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Always check the members list at https://groups.google.come before
>>> replying to wanted post DMs. I was recently scammed out of a *whopping* 
>>> $17
>>> by not following my own advice. Watch for Anita as well.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:07 PM larson@gmail.com <
>>> larson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I had similar responses to my post. Eduardo wanted to sell me an
 Atlantis MIT frameset for $600.
 Randy in WI

 On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:58:44 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> It's good to be careful. It's a weird world these days.
>
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:50:16 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> I posted a want ad yesterday for an Albastache bar and got a
>> couple responses from people I’ve never seen here before. I do know 
>> there
>> are lurkers on the list so if Denise and Eduardo Garcia are members 
>> here
>> please follow up with more info.
>> It’s a shame we have to worry about scammers all the time now and
>> my apologies if I am wrong.
>>
>> Liz in Sacramento
>
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[RBW] FS: Ultradynamico Cava JFF. Black. 650x47.99. $100 pair shipped!

2023-07-21 Thread Igor

Pretty good tires, hold tubeless well actually, I'd like to go with some RH 
I have on hand instead. $100 pair shipped!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted post worries

2023-07-21 Thread Isaac Martin

Yes anita reached out to me after i posted a WTB in the 650B list. Called 
them a scammer and was then responded with this
"What an insult.You are very stupid for calling me a scammer and you will 
get nailed for that.
Do you know me from Adams,Why
Such strange name."


On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for your work, Jim. Appreciate the proactive move to remove the 
> lurkers and for your continued efforts to moderate the list.
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:20 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>
>> I have removed a couple of "members" who joined in the last month or so 
>> and seem to be here only to solicit direct transactions. 
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:08:48 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Just as a reminder, this is a publicly viewable list. 
>>>
>>> The contact settings allow members of the group to contact another 
>>> member. Potentially, someone could join just to do so. That would mean that 
>>> they likely have not ever posted to the group, as their postings would be 
>>> moderated until they reach out to me directly. 
>>>
>>> If the person shows no history of activity in the group, I'd strongly 
>>> encourage you to confirm they are legitimate. You can easily search by 
>>> member name or email. 
>>>
>>> JIm / admin
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:52:53 PM UTC-7 melissa...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Bummer. This post came a few days too late. Anita made off with 37 of 
 my hard-earned dollars and no cork grips in sight :'(

 On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:16:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Can you even tell if someone posts often, other than just being 
> familiar with their name? I've been on here for a couple of years but 
> also 
> don't really post much. I find that most questions I might have are often 
> answered by a quick search and review of old threads. There is a wealth 
> of 
> knowledge on this group. It's hard to know if someone is trying to scam 
> you. I guess using PayPal or some form of protected payment is the way to 
> go. 
>
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I better post more often as I like selling on this list and giving 
>> good deals. It seems scams are all around us. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:30:31 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ted Wood,
>>>
>>> I got caught up in a spider web with Anita Batya most recently for 
>>> those *REW10 WORKS* hex brass valve caps . I was taken for a real 
>>> agitating tail spin with her. Still waiting for an answer from Paypal 
>>> for a 
>>> refund to finalize my interests with her. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:13 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Always check the members list at https://groups.google.come before 
 replying to wanted post DMs. I was recently scammed out of a 
 *whopping* $17 
 by not following my own advice. Watch for Anita as well.

 On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:07 PM larson@gmail.com <
 larson@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had similar responses to my post. Eduardo wanted to sell me an 
> Atlantis MIT frameset for $600.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:58:44 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> It's good to be careful. It's a weird world these days. 
>>
>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:50:16 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all, 
>>>
>>> I posted a want ad yesterday for an Albastache bar and got a 
>>> couple responses from people I’ve never seen here before. I do know 
>>> there 
>>> are lurkers on the list so if Denise and Eduardo Garcia are members 
>>> here 
>>> please follow up with more info. 
>>> It’s a shame we have to worry about scammers all the time now 
>>> and my apologies if I am wrong. 
>>>
>>> Liz in Sacramento 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Stark NAKED Platypus!!!

2023-07-21 Thread 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch

Looks great Steve! Can't wait to see it on the road (all kinds!).


On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:30:46 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Congrats Steve! Can’t wait to see how you put it all together!
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> It arrived earlier today from Austin, still wrapped up in the original RBW 
> shipping box, purchased by the PO from last November's batch but never 
> unpacked (thank you Leah for the tip).
>
> I'm planning to build it up as a road-ish  cruiser, probably 38 to 44mm 
> slicks, definitely with fenders. A Billie bar is on the way from Walnut 
> Creek. I'll also be fitting it with a 3x8 drivetrain because I already own 
> it, but am thinking about an eventual compact wide range double.
>
> This is my first Rivendell build. For those of you experienced with the 
> Platy, or any of its kin, how would you do the  build? I'd enjoy  hearing 
> any thoughts, opinions, or words of  wisdom.
>
> Steve 
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[RBW] Re: New Member New Riv

2023-07-21 Thread Al

Welcome Jim! I also bought one of the recent Appaloosas. I went with Purple 
and Marks build option. Im glad to hear you’ve received yours as I’m 
eagerly awaiting mine. Make sure to share a pic once it’s built up.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:53:32 AM UTC-4 jim.me...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi this is my first post. My lime green Appaloosa arrived last week and I 
> am looking forward to getting it built and ridden. I plan to use is as my 
> commuter rig. 
> Jim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice brake bits: Shovel Research

2023-07-21 Thread Brent Knepper

big ups to Sal for having a galaxy level brain on bike parts :) the world 
is better with this part's fmbch energy :):)

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:58:13 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Shovel Research stuff is incredibly well made and designed. It should 
> be noted however, the light mount clamp itself is made to clamp onto the 
> 3/8” struts of the Rod Steward bag support only. It won’t work with the 7mm 
> dia. Nitto struts or other 8mm struts from other rack manufacturers.
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Sam McDermott  wrote:
>
> Just learned about Shovel Research on account of their dynamo light mount 
> https://shovelresearch.com/light-mount
>
> Excellent, simple design that, once you see it, is shocking you haven't 
> seen before.
>
> -Sam
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Just pulled this out of the box from Shovel Research and had to share - I 
>> love the care and level of detail Sal has put into designing, making and 
>> even packing & shipping each of the parts.
>>
>> I won't have time to install them anytime soon, but I love my Rod Steward 
>> and I imagine these will perform and look similarly.
>>
>> Get yours here while they are in stock: 
>> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>>
>> Max
>> [image: IMG_1190.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_1191.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro 559's/Shimano 8 Speed XTR cassette

2023-07-21 Thread Tim Bantham

Brakes sold. Cassette still available. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:53:21 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Forgot to mention count on the cassette is 11/32
>
> Tim
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Posting a link to photos. Sorry I didn't share this when initially 
>> posting the FS items. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ihaCk5wbgJim5MZz9
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:09:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> So I decided to pass on the Roadini today. For those of you who may have 
>>> picked one up I've got brakes and an really nice Shimano 8 speed XTR 
>>> casette. 
>>>
>>> I can do $60 shipped to the lower 48 on the brakes (one bikes worth) 
>>>
>>> $70 shipped on the XTR cassette. This is a nice one. The believe the 
>>> largest two cogs are titanium. 
>>>
>>> Prices including shipping to the lower 48. Prices are net to me. 
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice brake bits: Shovel Research

2023-07-21 Thread Brent Knepper

big ups to Sal for having a galaxy level brain on bike parts :) the world 
is better with this part's fmbch energy :):) love m'rod stuart bag booster 
and its real-ones-only blackburn reference

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:58:13 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Shovel Research stuff is incredibly well made and designed. It should 
> be noted however, the light mount clamp itself is made to clamp onto the 
> 3/8” struts of the Rod Steward bag support only. It won’t work with the 7mm 
> dia. Nitto struts or other 8mm struts from other rack manufacturers.
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Sam McDermott  wrote:
>
> Just learned about Shovel Research on account of their dynamo light mount 
> https://shovelresearch.com/light-mount
>
> Excellent, simple design that, once you see it, is shocking you haven't 
> seen before.
>
> -Sam
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Just pulled this out of the box from Shovel Research and had to share - I 
>> love the care and level of detail Sal has put into designing, making and 
>> even packing & shipping each of the parts.
>>
>> I won't have time to install them anytime soon, but I love my Rod Steward 
>> and I imagine these will perform and look similarly.
>>
>> Get yours here while they are in stock: 
>> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>>
>> Max
>> [image: IMG_1190.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_1191.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-21 Thread Eric Marth

Very nice build, Bones!  B) 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my kids 
> around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I purchased 
> a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my Appaloosa so I 
> moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I was looking for. 
> No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my benefit, as I can 
> do stupid things to it without worrying about it being damaged. It is a 
> Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. It currently 
> resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it whenever I 
> visit. I love that bike.
>
> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>
> Bones
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]
>>
>> I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
>> with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
>> light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and comfy. 
>> I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
>> bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
>> geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
>> annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
>> a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might be 
>> lighter/flexier/zippier. 
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
>>> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>>>
>>> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
>>> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
>>> if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
>>> carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
>>> even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
>>> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't 
>>> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably say 
>>> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always been 
>>> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
 Riv and Blue Lug.

 I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
 iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
 really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and 
 is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my 
 only bike!

 Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
 those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
 that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
 ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.

 So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
 to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
 hold 33s and actually feel some performance?

>>>

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[RBW] Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

2023-07-21 Thread Ted Durant

There have been a couple of mentions of early 80's Sequoias in the Roadini 
thread. I had one that replaced my crashed Fuji America. I believe Bike 
Nashbar was blowing them out. It was a noticeably heavy bike, but 
absolutely wonderful to ride and very pretty. Alas, it was stolen out of my 
West Philadelphia apartment. If anyone has or sees on available in my size 
(I think 54 or 56?), please let me know! I'll send a RONA t-shirt as a 
finder's fee :-)

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-21 Thread JohnS

Hello Peter,

Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made by 
hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you can.

Thanks,
John


On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
>> kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>
>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
>>> with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
>>> light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and comfy. 
>>> I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
>>> bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
>>> geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
>>> annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
>>> a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might be 
>>> lighter/flexier/zippier. 
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
 you're looking for then I say buy one. 

 "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
 it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
 if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
 carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
 even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
 ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't 
 able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably 
 say 
 something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always 
 been 
 more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."

 Doug


 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and 
> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
> my 
> only bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
> to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
> hold 33s and actually feel some performance?
>


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[RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Hoch in ut

Honestly, cargo bikes are nice but they’re pretty spendy and take up a lot 
of space. 

I sold my cargo/kid specific bikes and got a trailer. Chariot is excellent. 
Kids are safe, surrounded by a cage. Also weatherproof weather rain, sun, 
cold, etc. Best part is you can hook it up to your favorite bike. Very 
versatile and cost-effective solution. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:49:29 AM UTC-6 Drw wrote:

> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. [image: 
> IMG_2875.jpg]
> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>
> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. 
> -Non electric
> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
> -Some front cargo capability
> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>
> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
> and 
> the tern short haul D8 
> . Both have pros 
> and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about the 
> above models would be appreciated as well. 
>
> Thanks,
> Drew
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Piaw Na

My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that 
converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since 
getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are 
special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would 
take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no 
problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want 
to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy 
used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour 
than disneyland.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:

> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. [image: 
> IMG_2875.jpg]
> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>
> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. 
> -Non electric
> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
> -Some front cargo capability
> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>
> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
> and 
> the tern short haul D8 
> . Both have pros 
> and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about the 
> above models would be appreciated as well. 
>
> Thanks,
> Drew
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Drw

I guess I should've mentioned that space is a real issue, and the child is 
5 years old. Ideally the cargo bike would have the same footprint as the 
rivendell it would be replacing. Also our riding is almost entirely urban, 
much of it without bike lanes, so I worry about the trailer option. I have 
no evidence, but pulling it through traffic makes me nervous. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that 
> converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since 
> getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are 
> special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would 
> take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no 
> problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want 
> to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy 
> used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour 
> than disneyland.
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>
>> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
>> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. [image: 
>> IMG_2875.jpg]
>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
>> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>
>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. 
>> -Non electric
>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>> -Some front cargo capability
>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>
>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>> and 
>> the tern short haul D8 
>> . Both have 
>> pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about 
>> the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Drew
>>
>>

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[RBW] Blue Lug Koma Lights in-stock at Analog

2023-07-21 Thread Matthew Miller

These were everywhere for a while until they weren't, haha. Analog got some 
back in-stock if anybody is in the market for one. Big fan of mine.

https://analogcycles.com/products/blue-lug-koma-usb-taillight

best,
matt

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Max Faingezicht

Not what you’re looking for, but I saw this bike the other day and thought it looked cool (not cheap though)Log into Facebookfacebook.comMaxOn Jul 21, 2023, at 2:47 PM, Drw wrote:I guess I should've mentioned that space is a real issue, and the child is 5 years old. Ideally the cargo bike would have the same footprint as the rivendell it would be replacing. Also our riding is almost entirely urban, much of it without bike lanes, so I worry about the trailer option. I have no evidence, but pulling it through traffic makes me nervous. On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour than disneyland.On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough to just be riding fully on his own. So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. -Non electric-Footprint no bigger than a standard bike -Platform/bench rear seat for kids-Some front cargo capability-uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite and the tern short haul D8. Both have pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about the above models would be appreciated as well. Thanks,Drew

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[RBW] FS: Fab's Fanny Waxed Cordura Olive Bag

2023-07-21 Thread scott minor

Passing along a Fab's Fanny in good condition.  Waxed cordura material. 
 Used only occasionally over the last year.

$150 shipped 

[image: IMG_4760.jpg]

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[RBW] Seat angle

2023-07-21 Thread Rich Powers

I was watching the Asheville video- looks like a great event. I’m sure we
could lure 10’s to the DesMoines metro some  weekend for a ride. :-) Corn
and beans are a pretty sight you know….

Anyhow- my mind wondered to the range (one?) of nose up  brooks saddles in
pictures. What am I not understanding? No judgement. Could I make that
work? When working with friends that are new riders- they seem to want to
have a too high of a saddle height and tilt it down.

Comments or feedback from those that nose up works for?

Killing time as a passenger traveling to a Shriner’s event.

Rich
In DSM

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice brake bits: Shovel Research

2023-07-21 Thread Minh


thanks for posting this warning, would be good for shovel research to add a 
note on their site to because i feel like there is a pretty big overlap of 
Nitto users that would be interested in this for this exact use case!

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 6:58:13 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Shovel Research stuff is incredibly well made and designed. It should 
> be noted however, the light mount clamp itself is made to clamp onto the 
> 3/8” struts of the Rod Steward bag support only. It won’t work with the 7mm 
> dia. Nitto struts or other 8mm struts from other rack manufacturers.
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Sam McDermott  wrote:
>
> Just learned about Shovel Research on account of their dynamo light mount 
> https://shovelresearch.com/light-mount
>
> Excellent, simple design that, once you see it, is shocking you haven't 
> seen before.
>
> -Sam
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Just pulled this out of the box from Shovel Research and had to share - I 
>> love the care and level of detail Sal has put into designing, making and 
>> even packing & shipping each of the parts.
>>
>> I won't have time to install them anytime soon, but I love my Rod Steward 
>> and I imagine these will perform and look similarly.
>>
>> Get yours here while they are in stock: 
>> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>>
>> Max
>> [image: IMG_1190.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_1191.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seat angle

2023-07-21 Thread Mackenzy Albright

brooks saddles have a bit of a curvature due to the shape of the leather 
and frame. In my experience, when you sit in a more upright position your 
sit bones sit further back on on the wider area of the saddle. Due to the 
hammock shape of the saddle you nose it up a touch to maintain a somewhat 
flat seat position to avoid slipping forward. 

not this way for everyone - there's variables like pelvic tilt, bike fit, 
core strength, and general preference. But a lot of people using b17's on 
relaxed bikes tend to nose up. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-7 richdpow...@gmail.com wrote:

> I was watching the Asheville video- looks like a great event. I’m sure we 
> could lure 10’s to the DesMoines metro some  weekend for a ride. :-) Corn 
> and beans are a pretty sight you know….
>
> Anyhow- my mind wondered to the range (one?) of nose up  brooks saddles in 
> pictures. What am I not understanding? No judgement. Could I make that 
> work? When working with friends that are new riders- they seem to want to 
> have a too high of a saddle height and tilt it down. 
>
> Comments or feedback from those that nose up works for? 
>
> Killing time as a passenger traveling to a Shriner’s event. 
>
> Rich
> In DSM
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice brake bits: Shovel Research

2023-07-21 Thread Danny

They mentioned on their Instagram recently that they’re working on a 7mm
version to fit Nitto struts.

-Danny

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 3:03 PM Minh  wrote:

>
> thanks for posting this warning, would be good for shovel research to add
> a note on their site to because i feel like there is a pretty big overlap
> of Nitto users that would be interested in this for this exact use case!
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 6:58:13 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Shovel Research stuff is incredibly well made and designed. It should
>> be noted however, the light mount clamp itself is made to clamp onto the
>> 3/8” struts of the Rod Steward bag support only. It won’t work with the 7mm
>> dia. Nitto struts or other 8mm struts from other rack manufacturers.
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Sam McDermott  wrote:
>>
>> Just learned about Shovel Research on account of their dynamo light
>> mount https://shovelresearch.com/light-mount
>>
>> Excellent, simple design that, once you see it, is shocking you haven't
>> seen before.
>>
>> -Sam
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Just pulled this out of the box from Shovel Research and had to share -
>>> I love the care and level of detail Sal has put into designing, making and
>>> even packing & shipping each of the parts.
>>>
>>> I won't have time to install them anytime soon, but I love my Rod
>>> Steward and I imagine these will perform and look similarly.
>>>
>>> Get yours here while they are in stock:
>>> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: IMG_1190.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_1191.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug Koma Lights in-stock at Analog

2023-07-21 Thread Mackenzy Albright

I fully submerged mine under water for over an hour accidentally. The 
switch got kind of weird but it still worked for close to a year before the 
switch mechanism stopped working entirely. I've been meaning to replace it 
but were out of stock for a long time. I've since moved to a dynamo. I wish 
Koma made a dynamo light...they look so nice. 

10/10. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:53:06 AM UTC-7 Matthew Miller wrote:

> These were everywhere for a while until they weren't, haha. Analog got 
> some back in-stock if anybody is in the market for one. Big fan of mine.
>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/blue-lug-koma-usb-taillight
>
> best,
> matt
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Edwin W

Max - love that Ritchey cargo bike. But dreamy pricey - take a cool old 
$300 MTB and add a $350 fork and ask $2900 for it!
Hoch - I know some love a trailer, but I never liked having my kids that 
far away and that low
Piaw - love those stories. I never had a tandem for my kids, but I agree - 
you do the work, the kids like it!
Drew - I love both of those mini cargo bikes. Can't go wrong there!

We had, over the years:

   - a box bike : lots 
   of smiles from passers by, kids loved it (just ride and chill!), but I 
   never used it unless I had more than one kid. Takes up a lot of space
   - a yuba mundo: long, but super useful. Felt just like an old mountain 
   bike when empty. Looks like they are moving more towards electric.
   - A workcycles Fr8 : 
   this was the one that is most like a regular bike. Heavy as all hell, but 
   super comfy to ride. I got the seat that goes in front and the kids all 
   fought for that space until they were older than 10!

Best of luck. Let us know what you settle on,

Edwin




On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:21:39 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Not what you’re looking for, but I saw this bike the other day and thought 
> it looked cool (not cheap though)
>
> Log into Facebook 
> 
> facebook.com 
> 
> [image: hLRJ1GG_y0J.ico] 
>  
> 
>
> Max
>
> On Jul 21, 2023, at 2:47 PM, Drw  wrote:
>
> I guess I should've mentioned that space is a real issue, and the child 
> is 5 years old. Ideally the cargo bike would have the same footprint as the 
> rivendell it would be replacing. Also our riding is almost entirely urban, 
> much of it without bike lanes, so I worry about the trailer option. I have 
> no evidence, but pulling it through traffic makes me nervous. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that 
>> converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since 
>> getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are 
>> special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would 
>> take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no 
>> problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want 
>> to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy 
>> used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour 
>> than disneyland.
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
>>> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. 
>>> [image: 
>>> IMG_2875.jpg]
>>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
>>> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
>>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
>>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
>>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
>>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
>>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>>
>>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following 
>>> requirements. 
>>> -Non electric
>>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>>> -Some front cargo capability
>>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>>
>>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>>> and
>>>  
>>> the tern short haul D8 
>>> . Both have 
>>> pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about 
>>> the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Drew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

2023-07-21 Thread John Dewey

Y’all…if you’re simply careful and mindful and respectful, you can ride the
hell out your beautiful, even precious, Rivendell day-in / day-out for
years and years and keep it shiny and pristine like the day you first
pedaled it down the road.

It’s easy.

The older it gets, the better it sticks. Then you never want for more. Be
Zen-like and you’re free to fly.

Jock

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 9:16 AM Lefebeaver  wrote:

> Since building up my Atlantis 5 years ago I've been using it a great deal,
> and my other bikes almost never see the light of day. The Atlantis is just
> such a joy to ride that I really don't want to ride anything else! When it
> was about a year old I took it on its first tour, in Brazil. I agonized
> over bringing it, as I've got a long history with the capricious Brazilian
> customs officers from 3 decades of working there; I've had very expensive
> work equipment confiscated by them in the past, never to be seen again. But
> I really wanted to get that bike out touring and making memories right
> away, so I rolled the dice and brought it. Right away I leaned it against a
> palm tree for a photo op and it rolled and slid down the tree, grinding its
> first and still biggest paint scratch into the top tube; so that broke the
> "preciousness" in one go. Now it's got a bunch of beausage, still has
> traces of stains from the red Brazilian clay that just won't come off, but
> I don't fret over it at all. I commuted on it regularly before retiring
> last year, and aside from exercising and exploring it's also my errand bike
> and grocery getter. It's simply my bike, that I use for everything I need a
> bike for. I am still a bit squeamish about leaving it locked up for long. I
> paddleboard and kayak, and for 20 years I drove my watercraft to a launch
> spot which is literally 100 feet over the town line into the adjacent town.
> When they signed it "Resident parking only", I wasn't about to be denied
> access to "MY" paddle spot - so I made my old Stumpjumper into my beach
> bike as it's so beat up I don't think anyone would want it, and I don't
> worry about leaving it locked to the guardrail for a couple of hours while
> I'm out on the water. Otherwise it's the Riv for every bicycle need -
> that's what I got it for, and it excels!
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:15:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it.
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell
>> off a cliff.
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous?
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have

[RBW] Re: Seat angle

2023-07-21 Thread John A. Bennett

Tilting the nose up prevents sliding forward when you're riding upright 
bars. 

It feels the same as an English equestrian saddle, once you get the hang of 
it. 

https://www.allpony.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/PartsSaddle2Web-1024x889.png

John in Portland

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> brooks saddles have a bit of a curvature due to the shape of the leather 
> and frame. In my experience, when you sit in a more upright position your 
> sit bones sit further back on on the wider area of the saddle. Due to the 
> hammock shape of the saddle you nose it up a touch to maintain a somewhat 
> flat seat position to avoid slipping forward. 
>
> not this way for everyone - there's variables like pelvic tilt, bike fit, 
> core strength, and general preference. But a lot of people using b17's on 
> relaxed bikes tend to nose up. 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-7 richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was watching the Asheville video- looks like a great event. I’m sure we 
>> could lure 10’s to the DesMoines metro some  weekend for a ride. :-) Corn 
>> and beans are a pretty sight you know….
>>
>> Anyhow- my mind wondered to the range (one?) of nose up  brooks saddles 
>> in pictures. What am I not understanding? No judgement. Could I make that 
>> work? When working with friends that are new riders- they seem to want to 
>> have a too high of a saddle height and tilt it down. 
>>
>> Comments or feedback from those that nose up works for? 
>>
>> Killing time as a passenger traveling to a Shriner’s event. 
>>
>> Rich
>> In DSM
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

2023-07-21 Thread Jason Fuller

danielle - the Cheviot looks awesome and congrats on the Roadini purchase!
My two cents is that since the Cheviot is the longer of the two bikes, I
would transfer the Albatross to the Roadini (it's the most forward-reach of
the sweepy bars, excluding the Albastache) and put a Losco bar on the Chev
now that it's relieved of any spirited riding needs thanks to the new speed
steed!  If that sounds t relaxed, then I'd go with keeping the Chev as
is and put an Albastache setup on the Roadini with a nice short stem. I am
living vicariously through you as I weigh these options!

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 12:06 PM danielle da cruz 
wrote:

> Leah, you are too kind! That is a great compliment coming from an
> inspiring storyteller such as yourself. The Chev story is good insomuch as
> it's easy to recall every gruesome detail...trauma will do that ;)
>
> I did grab a 50cm Sergio Roadini yesterday and will continue to hem and
> haw over parts for a few more weeks, drooling over its pics all the while.
> Now I'm wrestling with bar choice. Not a drops fan, I'm weighing the choco
> (maybe shortened a bit) vs the 48cm losco and will accept any opinions! I
> had a VO Porteur bar on a fun Peugeot that I lost in a run in with a car
> last year...I'm about 5'2", 100 lbs, and loved the narrow width, so am
> tempted by the narrow losco.
>
> The Cheviot has some beautiful albatross bars, a Mark's rack up front, a
> Clem rack on the back, a Pletscher double kickstand, and is set up 3x9.
> When I bought it as a 40th birthday gift to myself I wanted to believe it
> would be the last bike I'd ever buy (ahahah!) and had it built to
> accommodate almost anything I'd want to do with it in the future. I toted a
> baby seat on the front, then on the back as the kid grew. Now we ride side
> by side and just finished riding the carriage roads at Acadia on a camping
> vacation, me towing a lazy 50 lb pitbull puppy in a Burly trailer behind
> the Chev. Said puppy comes to work with me a few days a week and will
> continue to ride the 3 mile commute in style behind the Cheviot, my
> official "cargo" bike. It's got fenders and will be my rain/snow/slush
> bike, for which I have received, um, feedback from some opinionated New
> England cyclists who've suggested that a bike of its caliber be stored in
> the basement for the winter rather than exposed to our salted roads. As
> mentioned though, the Chev's not precious, no ma'am. It cruises through
> slush and even snow and will continue to do so. The Roadini will be my ride
> fast(ish) and free bike. Probably precious for just a little while :)
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:16:52 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> This story takes the cake. You’ve set us up perfectly, Danielle, with the
>> hearts coming out of your eyes for the orange demo Cheviot and your
>> eagerness at its impending arrival… As much as you wanted it, we wanted you
>> to have it!
>>
>> Oh, but who could have guessed the part your hero would play…
>>
>> I gasped. I laughed. I…am so sorry.
>>
>> I am excited for you to have another New Bike Day without all the trauma.
>> Please let us know if you get that Sergio Green Roadini. And, if you’d
>> indulge me, I am curious about how it’s going with the Cheviot and what
>> you’ll be using each bike for. I love to hear people’s Riv stories!
>>
>> Thanks for writing this; I so thoroughly enjoyed your storytelling.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 1:51 AM, danielle da cruz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This story hit me in the worst way. Six years ago for a milestone
>> birthday I decided to purchase a beautiful orange Cheviot from Riv. I'd
>> jumped on one that was too large for me that our local bike shop had on
>> display and from that moment on could think of nothing else. I felt like a
>> bird taking flight on that bike, so we placed the order for my size and
>> waited for delivery. I got notice when it arrived and raced home to find
>> that my ever-helpful partner had opened the box and was already assembling
>> it (you know where this is going)...
>>
>>
>> On our concrete walkway.
>>
>> With the frame laying on the bare ground, scratching along as he moved
>> it.
>>
>> Taking a bite out of "v" in the Cheviot.
>>
>> Instant decal damage on day one.
>>
>> Scratched down to the steel.
>>
>> I feel sick to my stomach even thinking about it again. And so from
>> moment one it was no longer pristine. Very special of course, but not
>> entirely precious and future scrapes have gone down easier. Now I have my
>> finger on the button again, ready for a Sergio Green Roadini this Thursday.
>> I plan to take D(elivery) Day off from work and be sure my man with a plan
>> is out of the house :)
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:15:59 PM UTC-4 Mojo wrote:
>>
>>> In the winter of 2011, I bought a Mark-Nobilette-built Legolas. It was
>>> serious overlap with my 2001 custom Riv Road and 2005 Quickbeam. I
>>> justified it as my mixed-surface, foul-weather, fine-riding bike. I

[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

2023-07-21 Thread Valerie Yates

I am not in the market for a Roadini but I love reading all these stories 
and comparisons. Very fun topic. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:46:37 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Peter,
>
> Wow, an '81 Sequoia! Those are very rare since only about 700 were made by 
> hand. In '82 is when production ramped up. Please post a picture if you can.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:58:26 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very nice build, Bones!  B) 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I started with an Appaloosa, which I built as a workhorse to ferry my 
>>> kids around. I wanted something without all the racks and utility so I 
>>> purchased a Hillborne. Great bike, but I found it too similar to my 
>>> Appaloosa so I moved it along and bought a Roadini. It was exactly what I 
>>> was looking for. No, it is not a delicate, lightweight bike. That is to my 
>>> benefit, as I can do stupid things to it without worrying about it being 
>>> damaged. It is a Rivendell, and it rides like all of my other Rivendells. 
>>> It currently resides at my parents' house, and I make a point to ride it 
>>> whenever I visit. I love that bike.
>>>
>>> [image: roadini2.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:48 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_4997.jpeg]

 I am about 200 miles into my orange-ass roadini and I love it. Set up 
 with a23s, dirt drops, cavas and an analog 30mm stem. It is not flexy and 
 light like my rb 2. It is no sports car. Its like a benz, smooth and 
 comfy. 
 I have a 90 stumpjumper (that I’m convinced could be the worlds greatest 
 bicycle), and the roadini is v similar, minus canti post, add practical 
 geometry. It is definitely stout, which makes the lack of rack mounts 
 annoying, but its not t stout. To me, it feels like a road tourer, not 
 a zippy speed machine. I think a crust mallochio or lightning bolt might 
 be 
 lighter/flexier/zippier. 
 On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:03:16 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
> you're looking for then I say buy one. 
>
> "Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though 
> it's a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care 
> if I'm two minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a 
> carbon bike. I still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, 
> even myself. My bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the 
> ability to stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you 
> aren't 
> able to come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably 
> say 
> something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always 
> been 
> more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen 
>> at Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several 
>> iterations of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been 
>> really fun. Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, 
>> and 
>> is an excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently 
>> my 
>> only bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and 
>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard 
>> that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this 
>> group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going 
>> to scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can 
>> hold 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Toyo Built Atlantis

2023-07-21 Thread Old And In The Weeds

I have a 58cm Frameset for sale, if any interest.

Nick

On Friday, July 14, 2023, dylan green  wrote:

> Thanks everyone - still looking. The 58 in indy sold while I was emailing
> with him...
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> No guarantees but this geo chart might be close.
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-5 gravelr...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all butting into this here because I am interested in this bike. Can
>>> anyone comment on how it rides/feels compared to the Atlantis nowadays?
>>> Also, does anyone have the size chart for the 58? I messaged the seller and
>>> they didn't know. I'm looking for minimum pbh, rider height etc. Anyways,
>>> would love some input because I've been searching for one of these forever!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:28:40 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Still looking for a mid 2000's Toyo Built Atlantis. 700c.
 I previously had a 58 with drops and it felt long, so I'd
 consider a 56 too.


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Re: [RBW] WTB: Toyo Built Atlantis

2023-07-21 Thread vernon brooks

Woul love to see a photo of the frame you have for sale.

Also price and location?

Thanks,
Vern in San Francisco


On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 4:17 PM Old And In The Weeds <
oldandinthewe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a 58cm Frameset for sale, if any interest.
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023, dylan green  wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone - still looking. The 58 in indy sold while I was emailing
>> with him...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> No guarantees but this geo chart might be close.
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-5 gravelr...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all butting into this here because I am interested in this bike. Can
 anyone comment on how it rides/feels compared to the Atlantis nowadays?
 Also, does anyone have the size chart for the 58? I messaged the seller and
 they didn't know. I'm looking for minimum pbh, rider height etc. Anyways,
 would love some input because I've been searching for one of these forever!

 On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:28:40 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com
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> Still looking for a mid 2000's Toyo Built Atlantis. 700c.
> I previously had a 58 with drops and it felt long, so I'd
> consider a 56 too.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

2023-07-21 Thread Johnny Alien

@Danielle I have used both the loscos and the chocos. There is not a huge 
difference to be honest but if you are OK with the narrow width I can say 
that I don't think there is a handlebar on the planet that is better 
looking than the losco bar. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:55:48 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> …Or he’d surely be out on the street, looking for cover. 
>
> Jock
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:43 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Danielle, you have the patience of a saint. Your partner is lucky man, 
>> truly living a charmed life. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:51 PM danielle da cruz  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This story hit me in the worst way. Six years ago for a milestone 
>>> birthday I decided to purchase a beautiful orange Cheviot from Riv. I'd 
>>> jumped on one that was too large for me that our local bike shop had on 
>>> display and from that moment on could think of nothing else. I felt like a 
>>> bird taking flight on that bike, so we placed the order for my size and 
>>> waited for delivery. I got notice when it arrived and raced home to find 
>>> that my ever-helpful partner had opened the box and was already assembling 
>>> it (you know where this is going)... 
>>>
>>> On our concrete walkway.
>>>  
>>> With the frame laying on the bare ground, scratching along as he moved 
>>> it. 
>>>
>>> Taking a bite out of "v" in the Cheviot. 
>>>
>>> Instant decal damage on day one. 
>>>
>>> Scratched down to the steel. 
>>>
>>> I feel sick to my stomach even thinking about it again. And so from 
>>> moment one it was no longer pristine. Very special of course, but not 
>>> entirely precious and future scrapes have gone down easier. Now I have my 
>>> finger on the button again, ready for a Sergio Green Roadini this Thursday. 
>>> I plan to take D(elivery) Day off from work and be sure my man with a plan 
>>> is out of the house :) 
>>>
>>> [image: Chev decal.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:15:59 PM UTC-4 Mojo wrote:
>>>
 In the winter of 2011, I bought a Mark- Nobilette-built Legolas. It was 
 serious overlap with my 2001 custom Riv Road and 2005 Quickbeam. I 
 justified it as my mixed-surface, foul-weather, fine-riding bike. I built 
 it up during that winter with pleasing-to-me parts including a Ritchey 
 Logic crank and a Shimergo drive train (Campy 11-spd Chorus brifters mated 
 to Shimano 9 speed XT derailers (12-36 to 34/46 gearing)). My very first 
 ride, I took it out to the nearby irrigation ditch to snap a photo with 
 some mountains in the background. I leaned it up against a concrete 
 irrigation valve and before I could snap a pic my sparkling new Legolas 
 slid down the edge of the concrete and into the ditch. The top tube 
 scratches were horrible. But those scratches freed me and the Legolas. 
 I've 
 ridden it plenty on paved roads in nice weather, but also without 
 hesitation in gravel, snow, mud mixed with cow scat, thunderstorms with 
 small hail. Big scratches for vanity instead of adventure was quite 
 upsetting, but it has worked out for me and this fine bike. 

 Joe in GJT CO

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[RBW] Re: Downtube to Bar End conversion shimano 600

2023-07-21 Thread Thomas McCause

As the website states,  - If you have Shimano dt shifters then you need to 
get the Shimano shifter adapters 


if you have the spacers, I could send you a set of Shimano pods for $25... 
shipping in the cont. US.

you'll also need to grab a set of the downtube shifter stops 


And then depending on your routing and the size of your frame, you might 
also need an extra long derailleur cable 


Hope this helps,

thomas
fruita, co


On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-6 Ben Jammin wrote:

> Anyone know if I can use the existing downtube SHimano 600 indexed shifter 
> (SL-6208) with the bar end pods from Rivendell ? Bike is an 86-87' Bianchi 
> Limited with 600 components. 
> [image: IMG_1216.jpg][image: IMG_1213.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Michael Baquerizo

i'm soon going to find myself in a similar situation. have been using my 
sam with the yepp maxi in the rear. i initially installed it on a mt-campee 
rear rack when he was much smaller and i wasnt really concerned with the 
weight, but hes close enough to the 40 mark that i'm worried about it. have 
been using it a ton this summer too.

unfortunately don't have real room or budget for a second bike, but will 
also never say never to it, especially if him and i can continue moving 
around efficiently. 

hoping for more ideas from others with similar experiences.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:44:26 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Drew,
>
> The only cargo bike I have experience with a Surly Big Dummy. I've had it 
> for over 10 years now, my sons have long out grown it, but I still use it 
> once a week to go the farmer's market and load it up. I understand your 
> concerns about the long wheel base, it does take up a lot of room. Have you 
> looked at the older Specialized Globe Haul? Not as long a wheelbase as the 
> big dummy, but it does have an integrated rear rack. Not sure how easy it 
> is to find a used one...
>
> JohnS
> [image: GlobeHaul.jpg]
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:18:04 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Max - love that Ritchey cargo bike. But dreamy pricey - take a cool old 
>> $300 MTB and add a $350 fork and ask $2900 for it!
>> Hoch - I know some love a trailer, but I never liked having my kids that 
>> far away and that low
>> Piaw - love those stories. I never had a tandem for my kids, but I agree 
>> - you do the work, the kids like it!
>> Drew - I love both of those mini cargo bikes. Can't go wrong there!
>>
>> We had, over the years:
>>
>>- a box bike : 
>>lots of smiles from passers by, kids loved it (just ride and chill!), but 
>> I 
>>never used it unless I had more than one kid. Takes up a lot of space
>>- a yuba mundo: long, but super useful. Felt just like an old 
>>mountain bike when empty. Looks like they are moving more towards 
>> electric.
>>- A workcycles Fr8 : 
>>this was the one that is most like a regular bike. Heavy as all hell, but 
>>super comfy to ride. I got the seat that goes in front and the kids all 
>>fought for that space until they were older than 10!
>>
>> Best of luck. Let us know what you settle on,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:21:39 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Not what you’re looking for, but I saw this bike the other day and 
>>> thought it looked cool (not cheap though)
>>>
>>> Log into Facebook 
>>> 
>>> facebook.com 
>>> 
>>> [image: hLRJ1GG_y0J.ico] 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 2:47 PM, Drw  wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess I should've mentioned that space is a real issue, and the child 
>>> is 5 years old. Ideally the cargo bike would have the same footprint as the 
>>> rivendell it would be replacing. Also our riding is almost entirely urban, 
>>> much of it without bike lanes, so I worry about the trailer option. I have 
>>> no evidence, but pulling it through traffic makes me nervous. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that 
 converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since 
 getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are 
 special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would 
 take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no 
 problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want 
 to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy 
 used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour 
 than disneyland.

 On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:

> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. 
> [image: 
> IMG_2875.jpg]
> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross 
> motor 
> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big 
> enough 
> to just be

[RBW] Re: Thinking about Roadini

2023-07-21 Thread R Olson

Hey Scott,

Roadini's seem to be a hot topic these days.  I own a 61cm Roadini, 91 
PBH.  The Roadini will most certainly be more comfortable.  You can get the 
bars super high and the chainstay is longer at 46 cm, and you can fit 
large, comfy tires up to 43's.  You're right in between the two larger 
Roadini sizes, the 57 and the 61.  The standover on the 61 is about 88cm, 
so pretty close.  Go to bike insights and compare the Roadini to the 
Straggler and you'll see how much higher you can get the bars with the 
Roadini:  

https://bikeinsights.com/compare 

Best of luck,

Ryan
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:49:40 PM UTC-6 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Intrigued by the Roadini release tomorrow.
>
>
>- Current stable is 61cm Cheviot for commutes, groceries- my favorite 
>ride.
>- I have.a relatively new 58 Surly Straggler that I am using as my 
>road bike.
>- Has always felt a bit aggressive. Get a little sore and numb after a 
>while.
>- 90% of my riding is on flat, SC Lowcountry roads- 10-20 miles at a 
>clip.
>- 55 years old. PBH=89, 6' 175#
>
>
> Question is whether I will notice a large comfort difference in Roadini 
> compared to current Straggler.
>
> Wish I could do a test ride.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Eastern Indiana Cardinal Greenway

2023-07-21 Thread Josh C

Thanks Rick. 

I just happened to see this today from Bike Indy. I guess they are feeling 
the CG love too.

>From bike Indy:
Have you ever wanted to explore one of Indiana's longest trails? The 
Cardinal Greenway extends from Muncie to Richmond. The Cardinal Trail 
Century Ride is Saturday July 29, 2023. You don't have to ride a century, 
there are various routes that will allow you to explore the distance you 
desire.
https://cardinalgreenways.org/cardinalcenturyride/ 


On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:50:49 AM UTC-4 Rick Harries wrote:

> Thanks for the report, Josh. I was on the Cardinal Greenway two years ago 
> on a trip from Chicago to DC with my MIT Homer.  I enjoyed Richmond’s 
> lively downtown, including a great independent bakery. Lots of off road 
> trails on that trip made for really nice time. 
>
> Rick Harries
> Easton, Maryland
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:01:17 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> My first attempt at this. The site is a bit old tech. It kept telling me 
>> that my post was too long, so I broke it up. May have been the pic size. 
>> Sorry for the typo's. I think I got the point across at least. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0476.jpeg][image: IMG_0480.jpeg][image: IMG_0463.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_0465.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0466.jpeg][image: IMG_0464.jpeg]
 Both of these rides were accomplished on my Atlantis, a 2008 Toyo 61 CM 
 for those that want details. And yes, that’s a sign telling you not to 
 drive your horse and buggy on the trail.
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0467.jpeg][image: IMG_0481.jpeg][image: IMG_0478.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> So, I went back and wrote the southern portion today. I drove out to 
>> Richmond, IN, about an hour or so from Indianapolis on the Ohio/Indiana 
>> line, and headed north a little past, Losantville, IN for a total of 
>> about 
>> 60 miles. It was a pleasant ride with at least 3/4 being in the shade of 
>> trees along the old Cardinal. I just thought I’d share.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0477.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted post worries

2023-07-21 Thread Kim H.

WOW ! Issac I am very glad to hear that you called Anita M. Batya out 
after you identified her as a scammer. She truly is. She doesn't live in 
Seattle as she told me. She questioned me over my doubting her. No record 
of it. I found her in Uniontown, PA. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 6:30:17 AM UTC-7 h...@isaacmartin.co wrote:

> Yes anita reached out to me after i posted a WTB in the 650B list. Called 
> them a scammer and was then responded with this
> "What an insult.You are very stupid for calling me a scammer and you will 
> get nailed for that.
> Do you know me from Adams,Why
> Such strange name."
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your work, Jim. Appreciate the proactive move to remove the 
>> lurkers and for your continued efforts to moderate the list.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:20 AM Cyclofiend Jim  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have removed a couple of "members" who joined in the last month or so 
>>> and seem to be here only to solicit direct transactions. 
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:08:48 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Just as a reminder, this is a publicly viewable list. 

 The contact settings allow members of the group to contact another 
 member. Potentially, someone could join just to do so. That would mean 
 that 
 they likely have not ever posted to the group, as their postings would be 
 moderated until they reach out to me directly. 

 If the person shows no history of activity in the group, I'd strongly 
 encourage you to confirm they are legitimate. You can easily search by 
 member name or email. 

 JIm / admin
 On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:52:53 PM UTC-7 melissa...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Bummer. This post came a few days too late. Anita made off with 37 of 
> my hard-earned dollars and no cork grips in sight :'(
>
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:16:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Can you even tell if someone posts often, other than just being 
>> familiar with their name? I've been on here for a couple of years but 
>> also 
>> don't really post much. I find that most questions I might have are 
>> often 
>> answered by a quick search and review of old threads. There is a wealth 
>> of 
>> knowledge on this group. It's hard to know if someone is trying to scam 
>> you. I guess using PayPal or some form of protected payment is the way 
>> to 
>> go. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I better post more often as I like selling on this list and giving 
>>> good deals. It seems scams are all around us. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:30:31 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ted Wood,

 I got caught up in a spider web with Anita Batya most recently for 
 those *REW10 WORKS* hex brass valve caps . I was taken for a real 
 agitating tail spin with her. Still waiting for an answer from Paypal 
 for a 
 refund to finalize my interests with her. 

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:13 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Always check the members list at https://groups.google.come 
> before replying to wanted post DMs. I was recently scammed out of a 
> *whopping* $17 by not following my own advice. Watch for Anita as 
> well.
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:07 PM larson@gmail.com <
> larson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had similar responses to my post. Eduardo wanted to sell me an 
>> Atlantis MIT frameset for $600.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:58:44 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> It's good to be careful. It's a weird world these days. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:50:16 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Greetings all, 

 I posted a want ad yesterday for an Albastache bar and got a 
 couple responses from people I’ve never seen here before. I do 
 know there 
 are lurkers on the list so if Denise and Eduardo Garcia are 
 members here 
 please follow up with more info. 
 It’s a shame we have to worry about scammers all the time now 
 and my apologies if I am wrong. 

 Liz in Sacramento 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted post worries

2023-07-21 Thread Kim H.

oops.. Isaac - misspelled. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> WOW ! Issac I am very glad to hear that you called Anita M. Batya out 
> after you identified her as a scammer. She truly is. She doesn't live in 
> Seattle as she told me. She questioned me over my doubting her. No record 
> of it. I found her in Uniontown, PA. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 6:30:17 AM UTC-7 h...@isaacmartin.co wrote:
>
>> Yes anita reached out to me after i posted a WTB in the 650B list. Called 
>> them a scammer and was then responded with this
>> "What an insult.You are very stupid for calling me a scammer and you will 
>> get nailed for that.
>> Do you know me from Adams,Why
>> Such strange name."
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for your work, Jim. Appreciate the proactive move to remove 
>>> the lurkers and for your continued efforts to moderate the list.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:20 AM Cyclofiend Jim  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have removed a couple of "members" who joined in the last month or so 
 and seem to be here only to solicit direct transactions. 

 Jim

 On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:08:48 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Just as a reminder, this is a publicly viewable list. 
>
> The contact settings allow members of the group to contact another 
> member. Potentially, someone could join just to do so. That would mean 
> that 
> they likely have not ever posted to the group, as their postings would be 
> moderated until they reach out to me directly. 
>
> If the person shows no history of activity in the group, I'd strongly 
> encourage you to confirm they are legitimate. You can easily search by 
> member name or email. 
>
> JIm / admin
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:52:53 PM UTC-7 melissa...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bummer. This post came a few days too late. Anita made off with 37 of 
>> my hard-earned dollars and no cork grips in sight :'(
>>
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:16:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Can you even tell if someone posts often, other than just being 
>>> familiar with their name? I've been on here for a couple of years but 
>>> also 
>>> don't really post much. I find that most questions I might have are 
>>> often 
>>> answered by a quick search and review of old threads. There is a wealth 
>>> of 
>>> knowledge on this group. It's hard to know if someone is trying to scam 
>>> you. I guess using PayPal or some form of protected payment is the way 
>>> to 
>>> go. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:00:09 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I better post more often as I like selling on this list and giving 
 good deals. It seems scams are all around us. 

 On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:30:31 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Ted Wood,
>
> I got caught up in a spider web with Anita Batya most recently for 
> those *REW10 WORKS* hex brass valve caps . I was taken for a real 
> agitating tail spin with her. Still waiting for an answer from Paypal 
> for a 
> refund to finalize my interests with her. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:38:13 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Always check the members list at https://groups.google.come 
>> before replying to wanted post DMs. I was recently scammed out of a 
>> *whopping* $17 by not following my own advice. Watch for Anita as 
>> well.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 2:07 PM larson@gmail.com <
>> larson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had similar responses to my post. Eduardo wanted to sell me an 
>>> Atlantis MIT frameset for $600.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:58:44 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 It's good to be careful. It's a weird world these days. 

 On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:50:16 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Greetings all, 
>
> I posted a want ad yesterday for an Albastache bar and got a 
> couple responses from people I’ve never seen here before. I do 
> know there 
> are lurkers on the list so if Denise and Eduardo Garcia are 
> members here 
> please follow up with more info. 
> It’s a shame we have to worry about scammers all the time now 
> and my apologies if I am wrong. 
>
> Liz in Sacramento 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Toyo Built Atlantis

2023-07-21 Thread Michael Baquerizo

actually that bike friday seems to scratch the itch. looks enough like a 
brompton that it scratches another itch. might have to begin plotting on 
one of those...

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Woul love to see a photo of the frame you have for sale.
>
> Also price and location?
>
> Thanks,
> Vern in San Francisco 
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 4:17 PM Old And In The Weeds <
> oldandin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a 58cm Frameset for sale, if any interest.
>>
>> Nick 
>>
>
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023, dylan green  wrote:
>>
> Thanks everyone - still looking. The 58 in indy sold while I was emailing 
>>> with him...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 No guarantees but this geo chart might be close. 

 mike


 On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-5 gravelr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all butting into this here because I am interested in this bike. 
> Can anyone comment on how it rides/feels compared to the Atlantis 
> nowadays? 
> Also, does anyone have the size chart for the 58? I messaged the seller 
> and 
> they didn't know. I'm looking for minimum pbh, rider height etc. Anyways, 
> would love some input because I've been searching for one of these 
> forever!
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:28:40 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Still looking for a mid 2000's Toyo Built Atlantis. 700c. 
>> I previously had a 58 with drops and it felt long, so I'd
>> consider a 56 too. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Silver crankset weight

2023-07-21 Thread Keith Weaver

I just pulled mine out of the box as I’m moving along with my Appaloosa
build. My scale says it’s 1 lb, 11.5 oz.

Cheers,
Keith

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 2:25 PM i  wrote:

> Has anyone here weighed the 170 variety and can tell me the weight?
> Curious how they stack up against other cranks
>
> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

2023-07-21 Thread Kim H.

 Danielle,

As a suggestion in protecting your new Sergio Green Roadini bicycle, you 
might want to use some this helicopter tape. I bought some with plenty left 
over from my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike in protecting her against the elements.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QC6H90/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

BTW... I love your storytelling, as well. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 



On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:02:44 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> @Danielle I have used both the loscos and the chocos. There is not a huge 
> difference to be honest but if you are OK with the narrow width I can say 
> that I don't think there is a handlebar on the planet that is better 
> looking than the losco bar. 
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:55:48 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> …Or he’d surely be out on the street, looking for cover. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:43 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Danielle, you have the patience of a saint. Your partner is lucky man, 
>>> truly living a charmed life. 
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:51 PM danielle da cruz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This story hit me in the worst way. Six years ago for a milestone 
 birthday I decided to purchase a beautiful orange Cheviot from Riv. I'd 
 jumped on one that was too large for me that our local bike shop had on 
 display and from that moment on could think of nothing else. I felt like a 
 bird taking flight on that bike, so we placed the order for my size and 
 waited for delivery. I got notice when it arrived and raced home to find 
 that my ever-helpful partner had opened the box and was already assembling 
 it (you know where this is going)... 

 On our concrete walkway.
  
 With the frame laying on the bare ground, scratching along as he moved 
 it. 

 Taking a bite out of "v" in the Cheviot. 

 Instant decal damage on day one. 

 Scratched down to the steel. 

 I feel sick to my stomach even thinking about it again. And so from 
 moment one it was no longer pristine. Very special of course, but not 
 entirely precious and future scrapes have gone down easier. Now I have my 
 finger on the button again, ready for a Sergio Green Roadini this 
 Thursday. 
 I plan to take D(elivery) Day off from work and be sure my man with a plan 
 is out of the house :) 

 [image: Chev decal.jpeg]

 On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:15:59 PM UTC-4 Mojo wrote:

> In the winter of 2011, I bought a Mark- Nobilette-built Legolas. It 
> was serious overlap with my 2001 custom Riv Road and 2005 Quickbeam. I 
> justified it as my mixed-surface, foul-weather, fine-riding bike. I built 
> it up during that winter with pleasing-to-me parts including a Ritchey 
> Logic crank and a Shimergo drive train (Campy 11-spd Chorus brifters 
> mated 
> to Shimano 9 speed XT derailers (12-36 to 34/46 gearing)). My very first 
> ride, I took it out to the nearby irrigation ditch to snap a photo with 
> some mountains in the background. I leaned it up against a concrete 
> irrigation valve and before I could snap a pic my sparkling new Legolas 
> slid down the edge of the concrete and into the ditch. The top tube 
> scratches were horrible. But those scratches freed me and the Legolas. 
> I've 
> ridden it plenty on paved roads in nice weather, but also without 
> hesitation in gravel, snow, mud mixed with cow scat, thunderstorms with 
> small hail. Big scratches for vanity instead of adventure was quite 
> upsetting, but it has worked out for me and this fine bike. 
>
> Joe in GJT CO
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Re: [RBW] Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Josh C

It's long, but I love the surly big dummy or big fat dummy. They are just 
great riding bikes, loaded or empty. I've had several and they are all 
great bikes. It's long but not much longer than a clem (for some reason). 
Great riding bikes and you won't even notice 100lbs or so on the tail. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:28:42 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Tern used to make the Cargo Node which basically paired an Xtracycle cargo 
> kit with the Tern folding bike. It worked great for me while I had it and 
> it folded down to save space.
>
> Not sure if they make a similar model today. I seem to remember hearing 
> that Xtracycle quit making their cargo conversion kit?  Here was the Cargo 
> Node I had:
>
>
> [image: Tern Cargo Node 028-L.jpg]
>
> Tern Cargo Node (2016) - Robert Tilley 
> 
> roberttilley.smugmug.com 
> 
> 
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2023, at 10:49 AM, Drw  wrote:
>
> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. 
>
> 
> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>
> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. 
> -Non electric
> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
> -Some front cargo capability
> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>
> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
> and 
> the tern short haul D8 
> . Both have pros 
> and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about the 
> above models would be appreciated as well. 
>
> Thanks,
> Drew
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[RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

2023-07-21 Thread Ed Carolipio

Given your parameters, I think the two bikes you identified are your best 
bets. I have first hand experience with the Tern HSD, which is the 
electrified version of the Short Haul, and it does everything it's 
advertised to do. [One side comment: I never connected "emotionally" to any 
Tern bike, lol, just pure transportation. I tolerate our Terns but if I had 
a choice, I'd select a long wheelbase cro-mo cargo bike instead.]

+1 on going with a single seat trailer as an alternative. (Don't get the 
two seater: they're impractically huge.) That's a good option given your 
space limitations plus most Rivs can readily haul child trailers. The 
Burley D'lite X is the best: spendy but super comfy for your child, easy to 
sell once you're done with it. Lots of ways to not pay full price new, and 
check your local Craigslist for parents who are done with theirs for used 
options.

Good luck,
--Ed C.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:

> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. [image: 
> IMG_2875.jpg]
> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>
> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. 
> -Non electric
> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
> -Some front cargo capability
> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>
> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
> and 
> the tern short haul D8 
> . Both have pros 
> and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about the 
> above models would be appreciated as well. 
>
> Thanks,
> Drew
>
>

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