Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Matthew Williams]

SAM HILLBORNE
57cm
1200
San Francisco, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/portola-valley-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7657012769.html

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[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though not 
overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of wearing 
exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and Altras, and 
wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet won't tolerate 
shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst offenders and 
cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, even 'wide' 
cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't generally 
comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a grain of salt.

Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape at 
the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, making 
minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of those on 
i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut it for 
me.  

I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's Sport 
and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but still 
come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though.  The 
Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of volume 
through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort Plus 
Last ).  
They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the 
mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but 
the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some 
of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they might 
be an option.

Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have modified 
based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the S-Works 
Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
).  I ordered a pair last week 
that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have more 
volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a half-length 
insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's a...pretty good... 
fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if the fit is not just 
right.

Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
)
 
that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.

Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair of 
those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.

Good luck!
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>
> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into one 
> of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page 
>  says they aren't designed for wide or 
> "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that 
> accommodate serious width? 
>
> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I 
> don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well. 
> According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp 
> Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference. 
>
> The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox 
> available anywhere else are made in China. 
>
> Stop Lox official 
> Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes 
> 
>
> William Lennon  
> in Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed 
> with flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings. 
>
> Steel Vintage Bikes 
>  in Berlin 
> offers a few nice leather options with flat soles. Doesn't seem they're for 
> wide feet, either. 
>
> If you have any recs or tips let's hear them! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainring woes

[Eliot Balogh]

Oh boy. I swear I wouldn’t have done that. I’ll let myself out. I
understand if you guys want to revoke my membership :p

I would die of embarrassment if I wasn’t so happy to have an easy fix.

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:53 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Are they tight like that? is the chainring backwards? Usually there is one
> side that has recessed holes for the bolts.
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:48:06 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I picked up a Silver Crankset and got new bolts from Riv. I’m getting a
>> lot of chain rub in the bottom half of my cassette and the crank bolts seem
>> to stick out a ways. Has anyone else encountered this ? Are their
>> chainrings that are counter sunk a bit more ? Do I just need to get a wider
>> BB?
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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Hi Matt, and welcome.
A standard starting height is PBH minus 11. If you’re rocking back and 
forth to keep your feet on the pedals, it’s too high. If it’s not too high, 
maybe it’s too low. Play around.
-Kai

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:

> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
> Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>
> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>
> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Promenade Bar

[Matthew Williams]

These have been on CraigsList for a while:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bop/d/south-pasadena-nitto-choco-handlebar/7656648259.html
Nitto Choco Handlebar B357AAF - bicycle parts - by owner - bike sale
losangeles.craigslist.org



> On Aug 20, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
> 
> or maybe just to talk about it?
> 
> my son is due to upgrade from a balance bike to a pedal bike and because i'm 
> me I want to switch things up a bit on whatever frame I end up buying him. I 
> was intrigued that the bosco is just a bigger promenade bar so was wondering 
> if anyone has experience with it and if it might be too much for a 4 year 
> old. 
> 
> and if its cheap enough (they're already one of the cheaper nitto offerings) 
> i'd love to take a pair of someones hands.
> 
> thoughts?
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Re: [RBW] Re: ‘95 Rivendell Road, repainted at Waterford

[Cody Marvin]

Kim, thanks for the tip about the helicopter tape, I hadn't thought about
that. Should probably do what I can to protect this thing.

Michael, the stem is a Soma Sutro. It's 180mm, so in-between standard and
Technomic. I think they look good, the height is right for this sort of
bike (for me anyway), and they're relatively cheap at around $50.

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 5:56 PM Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

> may i ask what that stem is? i don't see the nitto branding and it also
> seems to not have nitto hardware on the backside of the clamp. but the
> finish looks to be nitto like in quality.
>
> bike looks gorgeous and proportions look great too. looks like a bike that
> would fit me well.
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:06:06 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> EXTRAORDINARILY BEAUTIFUL road bike, Cody !  I love the color blue.
>> Congratulations on getting it painting just in time before Waterford closed
>> its doors forever. I hope you cherish for a very long time.
>>
>> You might want to get some helicopter tape to protect the finish:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ISC-Racers-Tape-HT2314-Helicopter-OG-HD/dp/B000QC6H90?pd_rd_w=8kH7d=amzn1.sym.1a072a44-84d1-4c51-bf0f-3547594e8217_rd_p=1a072a44-84d1-4c51-bf0f-3547594e8217_rd_r=VZG601ES949E5Q7M9W28_rd_wg=dlHaN_rd_r=95aa8ff8-7242-4f71-a2f2-6a0ab4ca742f_rd_i=B000QC6H90_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_ec_t=1
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-7 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Bought this from a list member over the winter, the frame got damaged a
>>> little in transit (no fault of the seller), so I decided on a
>>> repair/repaint. I was lucky to get this to Waterford just in time, it ended
>>> up being one of their last projects. I know at least a couple people saw
>>> the frame during the Waterford factory tour a couple months ago, thought
>>> I’d share a photo now that I’ve finished the build. Well, I’m nearly
>>> finished, I can see from the picture I put a tire on backwards. But just
>>> about there. Only have about 50 miles on it, but couldn’t be happier so far.
>>>
>>> Cody, Chicago
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Chainring woes

[Johnny Alien]

Are they tight like that? is the chainring backwards? Usually there is one 
side that has recessed holes for the bolts.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:48:06 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> I picked up a Silver Crankset and got new bolts from Riv. I’m getting a 
> lot of chain rub in the bottom half of my cassette and the crank bolts seem 
> to stick out a ways. Has anyone else encountered this ? Are their 
> chainrings that are counter sunk a bit more ? Do I just need to get a wider 
> BB?

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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[Kim H.]

@ Kiley - a Rivendell Clem 59cm would fit you best only in size, but your 
all around needs as stated by Johnny.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:37:46 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Rivendell is going to replace the Susie/Gus line with something lugged (I 
> think) but that is going to be far down the line. You said you lusted after 
> a Clem L. What about one of those? They are at least related to the 
> hillybike family (susie/gus) and would meet everything you seem to want.
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:25:15 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Piggybacking on what Joe just said, PM sent :)
>>
>> jared
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Did you like the Cheviot? The current (slightly longer) version is the 
>>> Platypus; now with canti/v-brakes I would consider it a low-stepover 
>>> equivalent to Appaloosa. You would probably ride a 60cm. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>>>
 Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent 
 lurker so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will 
 gracefully accept links to previous conversations that answer the 
 questions.

 Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, 
 no need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that 
 you 
 know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
 frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
 explain why those things are important. 

 My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to 
 be stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH 
 of 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike 
 that remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted 
 to be a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.

 Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
 tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
 physics may not agree.)

 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
 about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
 impetus of this post.
 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps 
 one that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
 Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
 bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It 
 did 
 not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)

 My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of 
 years and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went 
 to Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no 
 memory on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would 
 be ideal (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list 
 of bikes I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful 
 for 
 discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
 bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
 that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
 ride. 

 Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Free for postage (CONUS): 2 "good" PI Medium "Select" ss jerseys, 1 North Face waffle fleece ls pullover

[Patrick Moore]

The North Face pullover is *not* faded.

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:57 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> As always, please forgive the poor photos. I really do try. The PI jerseys
> are really a brightish orange-red my estimation, and I am slightly color
> blind to red, but they look nice to me. Well used with some very minor
> pilling in a small spot or two. 21" pit to pit, 28" bottom of collar to end
> of tail.
>
> North Face 1/4 zip high collar with zippered vertical chest pocket, really
> more a sky or glacier blue, 25" pit to pit, 28" bottom of collar to end of
> tail. Well used but still very usable.
>
> I have too many of these things, otherwise I'd keep them.
>
> Will fit in Medium Priority Mail box, or can send via cheaper method if
> available and if you don't want the insurance with Priority.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Mtn mixte x Crust cargo x kid bike

[Drw]

Thanks to everyone who has written me about this. The bike is still for 
sale and based on the amount of feedback, it is feeling like either a local 
sale or shipped OG rosco sale is realistic.  So I'd like to remove the 
parting out option. If it needs to be parted out, I'll take care of that, 
but no need to write me about getting on a list for a part. 

Thanks, 
Drew

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:38:48 PM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:

> This is a grail of a bike for a lot of people! Not my size but what a 
> smoking deal. This will make someone very happy.
>
> Cheers, 
>
> John
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:18:48 PM UTC+2 Drw wrote:
>
>> Well, it is a sad day, but the time has come to let go of my 2018 Rosco 
>> Bubbe Mountain "Mixte" as it was called. I bought this to carry my kid 
>> around and he is now too heavy for the seat. For those unfamiliar, this was 
>> built around a Joe Appaloosa fork and is more or less equivalent to a Clem 
>> L, but not as long . It is a 55cm and 650b. This is a really fun bike. 
>> Without a child on the back, it is a zippy little cargo bike. With a kid 
>> and a fully loaded front, it's like a truck. I've carried so much with 
>> this. Excellent condition. 
>> PHOTOS HERE 
>> 
>>
>> I can see 4 ways of selling it
>>
>> *1-Complete- $1700. *You'd get a fully built bike with the cargo fork 
>> installed plus original fork/front wheel/tire etc. it would not be possible 
>> to ship it this way, so you would need to pick up in Los Angeles.  Pricing 
>> this option lower because it would be significantly easier on me. If you 
>> want a deal on the Thule Yepp child seat/rack, we can discuss that as well. 
>>
>> *2-Original- $1600. *You'd get a fully built rosco (minus a stem) with 
>> original fork and 650b wheels and all components listed below.  I could 
>> ship at buyer's cost. 
>>
>> *3- Cargo fork/wheel/disc brake/basket-$400*
>>
>> *4-Full Part out. *I really don't want to have to do this, but if after 
>> a couple of weeks, I have enough people who want the various bits, I could 
>> make it happen. 
>>
>> *Components*
>> Nitto handlebars (cant remember the model)
>> Microshift 10 speed thumb shifter 
>> Shimano Brake levers
>> Dimension stem
>>
>> Avid disc brake
>> Deore V brakes
>>
>> IRD Mjolnir 1x crank with Surly 36t ring
>> XT 10 speed rear derailler
>> Sunrace giant cassette
>>
>> 650b Wheels from Riv- Deore hubs, Alex rims, built by Velocity
>> WTB horizon tires
>> 20" wheel from Bike Friday- Shimano hub
>> Big apple tire and a new Tioga powerblock to throw in
>>
>> Giant Wald basket.
>>
>> (Saddle, pedals, grips, bottle cages, bell, lights not included)
>>
>> *Thanks,*
>> *Drew in Los Angeles*
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Wabi Classic, 26" Cliffhanger rimbrake wheelset, NOS Suntour 4850 levers, and more

[Samuel Hopewell]

   
   - *2016 Wabi Classic, 49cm (medium). 650$* Very light (stock is ~18lbs), 
   compliant, and responsive. Elegant and finished appearance 
   (black/chrome/white motif). Top-end componentry (165mm andel RSC-1 
   crankset, for example). Asking 650.00 + shipping (would prefer to find a 
   buyer located within 350 miles and do in-person inspection and sale). Will 
   provide all emails regarding ordering and invoices. 
  - Frame : 
  Reynolds 725 double-butted, gloss black, e.d. coated. 120mm/100mm 
spacing. 
  Sided medium 49cm (please refer to frame geometry link 
  ). It fits me 
  *perfectly* and I am 5'8" with ~30cm pbh.
  - Wheels 
  
  :  Lightweight (1725g) 700c 32 spoke wheels with black machined rims, 
  silver sealed-bearing, flip-flop formula hubs and silver double-butted 
  spokes. Set up with 17t and 18t cogs (46t, 44t, and 42t chainrings 
  included). Incredibly reliable and well-built.
  - *Tires*: three 700x32 schwalbe marathon greenguard; one 700x32 
  panaracer pasela tg (all with fewer than 200 miles each).
  - *Crankset*: Andel RSC-1 165mm. Cold-forged alloy, 144BCD. Polished 
  silver (unbranded). I love this crankset.
  - *Pedals*: Exustar pedals 
  

   with Soma Double Cages 
  

 and 
  Double Leather Straps
  - *Bottom Brackets*: Sunrace and spare Tange bottom brackets
  - *Headset*: Tange Seiki TechnoGlide sealed; 1 1/8"
  - *Stem*: Soma High Rider 
   80mm. 
  Looks amazing on this bike.
  - *Handlebars*, *seatpost *(27.2), and *saddle *not included.
  - *Brakes*: chrome-finish, forged alloy centerpull calipers (origin8 
  I believe, but they are not branded. Very nice looking.)
  - *Brake Levers*: have a pair of Tektro gum RL340 levers that I could 
  toss in if needed
   - *26" Velocity Cliffhanger silver rim-brake wheelset with two 26x2.15 
   Schwalbe Big Ben tyres, unridden* *[350$]*
  - 36h, 135mm rear, sealed shimano hubs
   - *NOS SunTour Sprint ld-4850 braze-on shifters* *[60$]*
   - *Tektro RX6 short-pull v-brake calipers Front and Rear* *[50$]*
  - Lightly used. Includes Koolstop Tectonic 
   holder/pads.
   - *Salsa Cowchipper 46cm* *[45$]. *Lightly ridden, no blemishes.
   - *Nitto Pursuit handlebars 44cm*, heat treated 31.8 clamp *[40$]. *Mounted 
   but never ridden.

If interested, please text me at (605) 653-0751 with questions/concerns. I 
will work on uploading some pictures, but most of the items speak for 
themselves. All items in new/like-new condition unless specified otherwise.

Thanks for viewing!

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Re: [RBW] Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Eric Daume]

 Not at all classic, but 5-10s fit my wide feet with room to spare.

Eric.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023, Eric Marth  wrote:

> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another
> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of
> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread.
>
> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into one
> of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page
>  says they aren't designed for wide or
> "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that
> accommodate serious width?
>
> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I
> don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well.
> According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp
> Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference.
>
> The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox
> available anywhere else are made in China.
>
> Stop Lox official 
> Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes
> 
>
> William Lennon 
> in Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed
> with flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings.
>
> Steel Vintage Bikes
>  in Berlin
> offers a few nice leather options with flat soles. Doesn't seem they're for
> wide feet, either.
>
> If you have any recs or tips let's hear them!
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[RBW] Saddle Height

[Matt]

Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 

btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 

Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell In Paris

[reeb]

here's blue lug doing a bike check with the staff recently:
https://youtu.be/MmORKeYdB8A?feature=shared

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:52:52 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> In its way just as laudable as ridingvolunteers contribute so much 
> IME. I hope for everyone's sake the temperatures aren't as fierce as they 
> have been everywhere this summer. 
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:33:13 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Friends and I are run I g the drop bag service for American riders this 
>> year. So I’m here but not riding. 
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2023, at 5:50 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> As the French would know. Eric, are you riding PBP or just on a visit? 
>> Inquiring minds
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:37:57 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> The sticker to the left,  “Acier is Real,” is a mashup of French and 
>>> English for “Steel is Real.”
>>>
>>> –Eric N
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2023, at 5:22 PM, JohnS  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank Eric!
>>>
>>>
>>> La chouette = "the owl" or "very useful word you can use to describe 
>>> something that you like or you think is nice or cool." Seems most 
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:19:36 AM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Guess what I found in Paris! A local Rivendell dealer! 20 Boulevard 
 Magenta in the 10th. 

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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[velomann]

What about the Velo Orange Polyvalent Low-Kicker?
Nice step-through design and takes disc brakes.
https://velo-orange.com/products/polyvalent-mk5-1

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent lurker 
> so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will gracefully 
> accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.
>
> Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, no 
> need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
> know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
> frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
> explain why those things are important. 
>
> My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to be 
> stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH of 
> 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike that 
> remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted to be 
> a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.
>
> Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
> tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
> physics may not agree.)
>
> 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
> about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
> impetus of this post.
> 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps one 
> that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
> 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
> Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
> bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did 
> not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)
>
> My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of years 
> and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went to 
> Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no memory 
> on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would be ideal 
> (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list of bikes 
> I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
> discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
> bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
> that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
> ride. 
>
> Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddlesacks/Banana Sack

[jaredwilson]

Dang, thought I got in quick at the 6 minute mark! 

If someone wants to unload one of those saddlesacks you know how to reach 
me :)

jared

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:48:02 PM UTC-7 johnb wrote:

>
> Sold!
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:32:29 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> PM sent
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:36:52 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0w59UlCq9VxPM 
>>>
>>>
>>> Help if I actually attach the pictures...
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:35:37 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>
 I have 2 Small Saddlesacks in grey grid and 1 Banana Sack in green. All 
 are in good condition. I am selling them because my bikes are 51/52 and 
 they just don't fit without rubbing. One of the Saddlesacks has some 
 tarnish on some of the buttons (you can see it in the pictures.) Pricing 
 is:
 - Saddlesack (Tarnish) - $40 
 - Saddlesack - $50
 - Banana Sack - $40

 Shipping is extra. I prefer Priority Mail but am flexible.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: ‘95 Rivendell Road, repainted at Waterford

[Michael Baquerizo]

may i ask what that stem is? i don't see the nitto branding and it also 
seems to not have nitto hardware on the backside of the clamp. but the 
finish looks to be nitto like in quality. 

bike looks gorgeous and proportions look great too. looks like a bike that 
would fit me well.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:06:06 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> EXTRAORDINARILY BEAUTIFUL road bike, Cody !  I love the color blue.  
> Congratulations on getting it painting just in time before Waterford closed 
> its doors forever. I hope you cherish for a very long time. 
>
> You might want to get some helicopter tape to protect the finish:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/ISC-Racers-Tape-HT2314-Helicopter-OG-HD/dp/B000QC6H90?pd_rd_w=8kH7d=amzn1.sym.1a072a44-84d1-4c51-bf0f-3547594e8217_rd_p=1a072a44-84d1-4c51-bf0f-3547594e8217_rd_r=VZG601ES949E5Q7M9W28_rd_wg=dlHaN_rd_r=95aa8ff8-7242-4f71-a2f2-6a0ab4ca742f_rd_i=B000QC6H90_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_ec_t=1
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-7 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bought this from a list member over the winter, the frame got damaged a 
>> little in transit (no fault of the seller), so I decided on a 
>> repair/repaint. I was lucky to get this to Waterford just in time, it ended 
>> up being one of their last projects. I know at least a couple people saw 
>> the frame during the Waterford factory tour a couple months ago, thought 
>> I’d share a photo now that I’ve finished the build. Well, I’m nearly 
>> finished, I can see from the picture I put a tire on backwards. But just 
>> about there. Only have about 50 miles on it, but couldn’t be happier so far.
>>
>> Cody, Chicago
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug stickers

[Matti]

Claimed!

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:48:48 PM UTC-7 Matti wrote:

> These complimentary stickers were included in an order I received from 
> Blue Lug.  If anyone would like them, I'll put them in a stamped envelope 
> and send them to you.   Reply directly to me with your address.
> [image: IMG_3971.jpeg]
>
>
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Promenade Bar

[Michael Baquerizo]

or maybe just to talk about it?

my son is due to upgrade from a balance bike to a pedal bike and because 
i'm me I want to switch things up a bit on whatever frame I end up buying 
him. I was intrigued that the bosco is just a bigger promenade bar so was 
wondering if anyone has experience with it and if it might be too much for 
a 4 year old. 

and if its cheap enough (they're already one of the cheaper nitto 
offerings) i'd love to take a pair of someones hands.

thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddlesacks/Banana Sack

[johnb]

Sold!
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:32:29 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:36:52 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0w59UlCq9VxPM 
>>
>>
>> Help if I actually attach the pictures...
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:35:37 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> I have 2 Small Saddlesacks in grey grid and 1 Banana Sack in green. All 
>>> are in good condition. I am selling them because my bikes are 51/52 and 
>>> they just don't fit without rubbing. One of the Saddlesacks has some 
>>> tarnish on some of the buttons (you can see it in the pictures.) Pricing is:
>>> - Saddlesack (Tarnish) - $40 
>>> - Saddlesack - $50
>>> - Banana Sack - $40
>>>
>>> Shipping is extra. I prefer Priority Mail but am flexible.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[Johnny Alien]

Rivendell is going to replace the Susie/Gus line with something lugged (I 
think) but that is going to be far down the line. You said you lusted after 
a Clem L. What about one of those? They are at least related to the 
hillybike family (susie/gus) and would meet everything you seem to want.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:25:15 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Piggybacking on what Joe just said, PM sent :)
>
> jared
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Did you like the Cheviot? The current (slightly longer) version is the 
>> Platypus; now with canti/v-brakes I would consider it a low-stepover 
>> equivalent to Appaloosa. You would probably ride a 60cm. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>>
>>> Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent 
>>> lurker so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will 
>>> gracefully accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.
>>>
>>> Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, 
>>> no need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
>>> know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
>>> frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
>>> explain why those things are important. 
>>>
>>> My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to 
>>> be stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH 
>>> of 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike 
>>> that remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted 
>>> to be a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.
>>>
>>> Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
>>> tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
>>> physics may not agree.)
>>>
>>> 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
>>> about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
>>> impetus of this post.
>>> 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps 
>>> one that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
>>> 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
>>> Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
>>> bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did 
>>> not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)
>>>
>>> My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of 
>>> years and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went 
>>> to Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no 
>>> memory on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would 
>>> be ideal (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list 
>>> of bikes I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
>>> discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
>>> bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
>>> that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
>>> ride. 
>>>
>>> Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[Kiley Demond]

Thank you for the reply! I loved the Cheviot, I just wanted to put on tires 
that were wider than it had room. It's a little more civilized than I am. 
The Platy seems skewed towards road riding; I wondered if the Susie/Gus 
wouldn’t be the right direction. That’s when the idea that Riv had 
something new cooking crept it….

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Did you like the Cheviot? The current (slightly longer) version is the 
> Platypus; now with canti/v-brakes I would consider it a low-stepover 
> equivalent to Appaloosa. You would probably ride a 60cm. 
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent 
>> lurker so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will 
>> gracefully accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.
>>
>> Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, no 
>> need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
>> know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
>> frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
>> explain why those things are important. 
>>
>> My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to be 
>> stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH of 
>> 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike that 
>> remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted to be 
>> a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.
>>
>> Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
>> tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
>> physics may not agree.)
>>
>> 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
>> about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
>> impetus of this post.
>> 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps one 
>> that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
>> 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
>> Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
>> bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did 
>> not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)
>>
>> My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of years 
>> and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went to 
>> Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no memory 
>> on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would be ideal 
>> (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list of bikes 
>> I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
>> discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
>> bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
>> that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
>> ride. 
>>
>> Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddlesacks/Banana Sack

[Eric Marth]

PM sent

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:36:52 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0w59UlCq9VxPM 
>
>
> Help if I actually attach the pictures...
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:35:37 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> I have 2 Small Saddlesacks in grey grid and 1 Banana Sack in green. All 
>> are in good condition. I am selling them because my bikes are 51/52 and 
>> they just don't fit without rubbing. One of the Saddlesacks has some 
>> tarnish on some of the buttons (you can see it in the pictures.) Pricing is:
>> - Saddlesack (Tarnish) - $40 
>> - Saddlesack - $50
>> - Banana Sack - $40
>>
>> Shipping is extra. I prefer Priority Mail but am flexible.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[jaredwilson]

Piggybacking on what Joe just said, PM sent :)

jared
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Did you like the Cheviot? The current (slightly longer) version is the 
> Platypus; now with canti/v-brakes I would consider it a low-stepover 
> equivalent to Appaloosa. You would probably ride a 60cm. 
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent 
>> lurker so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will 
>> gracefully accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.
>>
>> Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, no 
>> need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
>> know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
>> frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
>> explain why those things are important. 
>>
>> My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to be 
>> stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH of 
>> 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike that 
>> remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted to be 
>> a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.
>>
>> Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
>> tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
>> physics may not agree.)
>>
>> 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
>> about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
>> impetus of this post.
>> 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps one 
>> that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
>> 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
>> Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
>> bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did 
>> not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)
>>
>> My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of years 
>> and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went to 
>> Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no memory 
>> on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would be ideal 
>> (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list of bikes 
>> I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
>> discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
>> bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
>> that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
>> ride. 
>>
>> Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[Joe Bernard]

Did you like the Cheviot? The current (slightly longer) version is the 
Platypus; now with canti/v-brakes I would consider it a low-stepover 
equivalent to Appaloosa. You would probably ride a 60cm. 

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent lurker 
> so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will gracefully 
> accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.
>
> Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, no 
> need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
> know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
> frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
> explain why those things are important. 
>
> My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to be 
> stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH of 
> 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike that 
> remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted to be 
> a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.
>
> Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
> tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
> physics may not agree.)
>
> 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
> about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
> impetus of this post.
> 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps one 
> that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
> 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
> Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
> bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did 
> not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)
>
> My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of years 
> and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went to 
> Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no memory 
> on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would be ideal 
> (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list of bikes 
> I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
> discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
> bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
> that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
> ride. 
>
> Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!
>

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[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[Garth]

Offhand Kiley I'd say this one though it's not a very low step through : 

 thehttps://www.somafab.com/archives/product/buena-vista-disc-frame-set

Otherwise you'd be better off getting a custom frame. They don't have to be 
super expensive and they allow you to specify all the nuances you want. You 
know, you can pay more upfront for what you really want, or pay more later 
for getting what you really don't. 

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[RBW] What to get, what to get....

[Kiley Demond]

Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent lurker 
so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will gracefully 
accept links to previous conversations that answer the questions.

Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, no 
need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that you 
know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel step-thru 
frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires . I don't have to 
explain why those things are important. 

My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to be 
stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a PBH of 
91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike that 
remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be fitted to be 
a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.

Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish tires 
but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want and 
physics may not agree.)

1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading about 
one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real impetus of 
this post.
2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps one 
that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern Europe 
where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch bike, so 
purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It did not 
handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)

My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of years 
and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went to 
Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no memory 
on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would be ideal 
(want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The list of bikes 
I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful for 
discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
ride. 

Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Mermaid Rivendell Platypus Complete

[jaredwilson]

Sold!

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:32:23 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> *$2,700!*
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:03:14 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> I'm now aware of an issue with the associated email address, please reach 
>> me at *jared wilson 327 at gmail dot com* if you're interested
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:01:06 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> We've entered crunch time on getting this bike gone...
>>>
>>> *$2,800!!*
>>>
>>> Prefer a CA sale, can have the bike in LA Saturday/Sunday if that works, 
>>> otherwise pickup in Modesto or delivery to SF Bay Area available.
>>>
>>> Let's chat :)
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 11:33:19 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 *$3,000*

 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:56:57 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> Ergons came off for another project...
>
> Price drop, $3,150 for group members.
>
> Let's chat :)
>
> jared
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 7:52:16 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Hi group,
>>
>> Changing directions and my Platypus is now available for purchase.
>>
>> 2021 60cm Mermaid Platypus, Serial Number M20114407
>>
>> Original owner *Hi, Mack!* purchased as frameset
>>
>> Stock FSA headset
>>
>> Tosco 60cm 25.4 handlebars
>>
>> Ergon cork grips
>>
>> Jims stem 12cm
>>
>> Paul Love Levers
>>
>> Shimano XT thumb shifters
>>
>> Shimano Deore V-brakes
>>
>> White Industries/Sugino triple crankset, 175mm, 42/36/24
>>
>> Stock bottom bracket
>>
>> Shimano XT FD *NOS at install, low miles*
>>
>> Shimano Deore LX rapid rise RD *NOS at install, low miles*
>>
>> Velocity Cliffhanger 700c rims 32h
>>
>> Sapim Force Spokes with brass nipples
>>
>> Son Deluxe Widebody dynamo hub
>>
>> White Industries MI5 rear hub
>>
>> Jims 7 speed 11-36 cassette
>>
>> Salsa skewers
>>
>> Panaracer Gravelking SK 700x50 tires
>>
>> Stock seat post
>>
>> Selle SMP TRK saddle
>>
>> Rivendell Shiny rear rack
>>
>>
>> Price: $3,300
>>
>>
>> Prefer local sales in CA, can deliver within reason for gas $$. If 
>> shipped, buyer pays all associated fees, Zelle payment only.
>>
>>
>> Please respond off list if interested, thanks :)
>>
>>
>> jared in central california
>>
>>
>> Platypus Photos 
>> 
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_7209.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saddlesacks/Banana Sack

[johnb]

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0w59UlCq9VxPM 


Help if I actually attach the pictures...

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:35:37 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> I have 2 Small Saddlesacks in grey grid and 1 Banana Sack in green. All 
> are in good condition. I am selling them because my bikes are 51/52 and 
> they just don't fit without rubbing. One of the Saddlesacks has some 
> tarnish on some of the buttons (you can see it in the pictures.) Pricing is:
> - Saddlesack (Tarnish) - $40 
> - Saddlesack - $50
> - Banana Sack - $40
>
> Shipping is extra. I prefer Priority Mail but am flexible.
>

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[RBW] FS: Saddlesacks/Banana Sack

[johnb]

I have 2 Small Saddlesacks in grey grid and 1 Banana Sack in green. All are 
in good condition. I am selling them because my bikes are 51/52 and they 
just don't fit without rubbing. One of the Saddlesacks has some tarnish on 
some of the buttons (you can see it in the pictures.) Pricing is:
- Saddlesack (Tarnish) - $40 
- Saddlesack - $50
- Banana Sack - $40

Shipping is extra. I prefer Priority Mail but am flexible.

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[RBW] Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Eric Marth]

I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 

I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into one 
of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page 
 says they aren't designed for wide or 
"high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that 
accommodate serious width? 

The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I 
don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well. 
According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp 
Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference. 

The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox 
available anywhere else are made in China. 

Stop Lox official 
Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes 


William Lennon  
in Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed 
with flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings. 

Steel Vintage Bikes 
 in Berlin 
offers a few nice leather options with flat soles. Doesn't seem they're for 
wide feet, either. 

If you have any recs or tips let's hear them! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Alternatives to Snoqualmie Pass?

[scott minor]

I've been riding Snoqualnie Pass standard casings tubeless on my Homer with 
nary a flat until recently, and after the 3rd flat this summer I have 
retired them. They had a good life but now seem too worn to keep going 
reliably.  The rear eventually stretches a couple mm's in width over time 
which last year prompted a front/rear flip, but now both are stretched 
which might just be the tell tale sign they are done.  

Currently riding 38mm Gravel King SS (lighter than SK) in preparation for 
fender season (52mm fender max w center pull brakes) instead of Barlow 
pass, just to try them out.  I like them so far!  but already thinking I'll 
get another set of Snoqualmies next summer when the fenders come back off. 
 There's just nothing else like them that I have found...  They have just 
the right amount of air volume for my size (over 200 lbs) and suit the 
pressure I like to ride (44 psi), are very fast and quiet.  Might be my 
favorite tire for all around riding.


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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Matthew Williams]

APPALOOSA
54cm
4300
Boston, MA
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/d/stoneham-2021-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7656551120.html


CLEM SMITH JR. H
59cm
1400
El Cerrito, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/el-cerrito-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7656737283.html


PLATYPUS
50cm
4600
Boston, MA
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/d/stoneham-rivendell-platypus-white-ind/7656548263.html


QUICKBEAM f/f/hs
54cm
675
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-quickbeam-54cm/7656774775.html



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[RBW] Re: ‘95 Rivendell Road, repainted at Waterford

[Kim H.]

EXTRAORDINARILY BEAUTIFUL road bike, Cody !  I love the color blue.  
Congratulations on getting it painting just in time before Waterford closed 
its doors forever. I hope you cherish for a very long time. 

You might want to get some helicopter tape to protect the finish:

https://www.amazon.com/ISC-Racers-Tape-HT2314-Helicopter-OG-HD/dp/B000QC6H90?pd_rd_w=8kH7d=amzn1.sym.1a072a44-84d1-4c51-bf0f-3547594e8217_rd_p=1a072a44-84d1-4c51-bf0f-3547594e8217_rd_r=VZG601ES949E5Q7M9W28_rd_wg=dlHaN_rd_r=95aa8ff8-7242-4f71-a2f2-6a0ab4ca742f_rd_i=B000QC6H90_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_ec_t=1

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 



On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-7 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bought this from a list member over the winter, the frame got damaged a 
> little in transit (no fault of the seller), so I decided on a 
> repair/repaint. I was lucky to get this to Waterford just in time, it ended 
> up being one of their last projects. I know at least a couple people saw 
> the frame during the Waterford factory tour a couple months ago, thought 
> I’d share a photo now that I’ve finished the build. Well, I’m nearly 
> finished, I can see from the picture I put a tire on backwards. But just 
> about there. Only have about 50 miles on it, but couldn’t be happier so far.
>
> Cody, Chicago
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Build Day! Two Speed Road Bike

[Bill Lindsay]

Michael Baquerizo asked a couple questions

1. where do you rank this era of rivendell in comparison to todays? 

I don't rank the older era of Rivendell in comparison to todays.  The 
Romulus is a Romulus.  I was familiar with the geo chart and knew that I 
could do a build around a 59cm Romulus, and here it is.  You are correct 
that the Romulus was contemporary with the Bleriot.  The Redwood and 
Romulus are the same model.  The Redwood is just the bigger sizes of the 
Romulus.   

2. i know they were offered as budget alternatives to the MUSA models but 
are they better (whatever this means) than MIT? 

This is correct that they were lower priced than MUSA models at the same 
time.  I don't know what you mean by better either, but I don't rank 
Rivendells.  You decide what is desirable to you.  A 59cm Romulus was 
desirable to me and so I set one up when I got the chance.  Now I'll ride 
it some!  

Now that my stable is pretty large, I think of bikes like outfits.  What I 
decide to wear that day depends on what I'm doing that day, so I have a 
variety of outfits.  Most all my outfits are off the shelf.  Some are more 
expensive and fashionable than others.  Others are more comfortable, rugged 
and pedestrian in construction.  All are carefully curated by me and if I 
don't want to wear something, it doesn't live in my closet.  The only 
reason I'd add a truly bespoke custom outfit would be if I decided I needed 
something that can't be bought off the shelf.  There is definitely no such 
thing as a custom outfit that I'd wear every day for all activities.  I 
have no "best" outfit, and I don't rank my outfits.  I hope that 
perspective helps.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA




On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:43:38 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> where do you rank this era of rivendell in comparison to todays? i know 
> they were offered as budget alternatives to the MUSA models but are they 
> better (whatever this means) than MIT? 
>
> I may even be wrong about what i mean about 'this era'. To me this bike, 
> the redwood, and bleriot are all from the same time. 
>
> The Bleriot has always intrigued me but ultimately i'd love a custom Riv 
> built to some lighter specs. Or maybe I don't know what im talking about. 
>
> Well done. 
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:06 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Very cool build Bill, should be fun ride. I can see the value in a two 
>> speed, I think I'll do one sometime.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:06:29 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I pounced on a local 59cm Romulus.  That bike has long been on my list 
>>> of "I'd ride THAT" bikes, but it wasn't a terribly high priority.  This 
>>> opportunity presented itself and got to work.  
>>>
>>> Cutting to the chase: here's the album  
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720310604809
>>>
>>> The bike was a mostly original Riv complete Rom build.  It had a 
>>> mustache bar cockpit, and Silver bar con shifters, but otherwise was pretty 
>>> much stock.  It's got nicks and scratches beau-sage but was in mechanically 
>>> fine shape.  
>>>
>>> This is going to be a versatile road platform upon which I could 
>>> implement a number of different build concepts.  The one that had been 
>>> sticking in my mind, though, was a front-derailleur only road two speed. 
>>>  The forthcoming Roaduno is allegedly going to have both a rear der hanger 
>>> as well as the braze on bits to do a FRONT shifter.  Some listers vocally 
>>> proclaimed that "silly", but it seems pretty sensible to me.  I had not 
>>> executed a build of that kind, and this was my shot.  
>>>
>>> From "inventory" I pulled together a nice two speed road bike kit:
>>>
>>> The wheelset was "inherited" from my Crust Florida Man., which lives in 
>>> Michigan.  When I built that bike, I used stuff I had on-hand, including a 
>>> pair of HED Belgium rims.  Those are almost impossible to get anymore, so I 
>>> built a new set of wheels around cheaper and wider rims to bring that 
>>> wheelset back to California.  I just grabbed them off the hook.  I put a 
>>> pair of used Compass Steilacoom 700x38 knobbier on there (with latex 
>>> tubes!) and grabbed a 16/18 DOS ENO freewheel.  The rear hub is Surly Ultra 
>>> New.  The front is a Phil Track hub.  I tossed on a pair of Shimano 
>>> "CLICKR" SPD pedals.  
>>>
>>> The drivetrain centers on a Campy Centaur 172.5mm square taper cranks
>>> Origin8 sealed BB (110.5)
>>> blue chain guard
>>> 39T tripleizer ring
>>> 24T ring from the original Rom build
>>>
>>> The front derailleur is a heavily modified FSA that I had from earlier 
>>> experiments.  The shift lever is a Shimano Ultegra "triple-color" model 
>>> from he 1990s with an awesome return spring inside to make it really light 
>>> action.  The tensioner is a modified XT rapid rise.  There's no return 
>>> spring inside, from a desmodromic exploration.  I was able to adjust one 
>>> limit screw so it hits 

[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Melvin tensioner kit, RapidFire 8, stem bag

[Joe Bernard]

Bag gone, bike gone, Paul Melvin kit $100

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 8:10:06 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Stem bag pending, SS kit dropped to $125. 
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:24:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> For clarity: the Melvin is part of an SS kit and probably priced a smidge 
>> optimistically. Make offer. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:26:37 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I got stuff, I need less stuff! All prices plus shipping, PayPal, Venmo, 
>>> check. 
>>>
>>> Paul Melvin tensioner SS kit: Wolf Tooth 17t, unbranded 18t, two Gear 
>>> Clamps, buncha spacers and a lockring
>>> $200
>>>
>>> Shimano (no model name, looks like a Deore I had) 8-speed triggers, 
>>> triple front, pulled from a Marin hybrid and flushed, works great
>>> $20
>>>
>>> Roadrunner Co-Pilot stem bag, bought new a couple months ago, not used 
>>> much
>>> $30 
>>>
>>> Also selling this Dahon folder
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/daly-city-dahon-mariner-i7-folding/7651043300.html
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Text or email for lots more pics and discussion and whatnot
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>> 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230817_110004.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230817_111440.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Build Day! Two Speed Road Bike

[Berkeleyan]

Ah, so you shift the rear DOS ENO by turning the thumbscrew bolt, brilliant 
and simple. That gives you a low range two-speed for hills, and a high 
range two-speed for the flats. I have the hub on my QuickBeam, and I bet 
you're able to swap cogs faster than I can, since I have 17mm nuts to deal 
with.

- Andrew, still kicking in Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[Ray Varella]

Thanks Ted,
I had a bootmaker look at my boots on my feet once and say “pour half a 
bottle of rubbing alcohol in each boot and then wear them”.
It did a good job of stretching the leather. 
My left foot is a triple E and the right is a double E

Ray
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:35:09 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:24:29 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>
> To further hijack this thread…Ted, have you found shoes to fit wide feet?
>
>
> I went from the Dromarti to Shimano XC5 (marginally wider than Dromarti) 
> to Lake MX1 wide (definitely wider). I can wear the Lake shoes for rides 
> that aren't too long (say 2 hours or less) and be reasonably comfortable. 
> Of course, Lake has discontinued it. Lake seems to be the only company that 
> has realized that a wider toe box is a selling point.
>
> The great thing about the Dromartis is they are real leather and will 
> stretch to fit your foot. I was just finding that it wouldn't stretch 
> enough to relieve the pressure on the bunionettes on my feet.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:24:29 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:


To further hijack this thread…Ted, have you found shoes to fit wide feet?


I went from the Dromarti to Shimano XC5 (marginally wider than Dromarti) to 
Lake MX1 wide (definitely wider). I can wear the Lake shoes for rides that 
aren't too long (say 2 hours or less) and be reasonably comfortable. Of 
course, Lake has discontinued it. Lake seems to be the only company that 
has realized that a wider toe box is a selling point.

The great thing about the Dromartis is they are real leather and will 
stretch to fit your foot. I was just finding that it wouldn't stretch 
enough to relieve the pressure on the bunionettes on my feet.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[Ray Varella]

To further hijack this thread…Ted, have you found shoes to fit wide feet?
I’ve contacted Dromarti but they haven’t seemed receptive to making a run 
of wider shoes. 
Maybe if enough people showed interest and offered to place deposits. 

Ray
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 8:10:07 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:10:21 PM UTC-5 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> ... They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with super wide 
> feet to apply. 
>
>
> I concur. As I've noted elsewhere, I've gone to wide "feet shaped" shoes 
> and platforms. At the risk of hijacking the thread, I also have a pair of 
> Dromarti shoes, black, size 43, available. And some Shimano XC5's, gray, 43.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[Ted Durant]

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:10:21 PM UTC-5 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:

... They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with super wide 
feet to apply. 


I concur. As I've noted elsewhere, I've gone to wide "feet shaped" shoes 
and platforms. At the risk of hijacking the thread, I also have a pair of 
Dromarti shoes, black, size 43, available. And some Shimano XC5's, gray, 43.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] FS: Albastache Bars

[Johnny Alien]

I was going to hang onto these but decided against hoarding. I am getting 
better at this. These are brand new. I mounted them in a faceplatter stem 
but that was it. No other hardware mounted. Removed and stored. $90 shipped 
to wherever you are in the USA.

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