[RBW] Re: First ride report from Western PA

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 10:32:26 am UTC+10 J wrote:

I think only Apple users can view these


No, I can view HEIC images on Windows 11 using the  Paint application from 
Microsoft.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Leah Peterson]

What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I love these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made very specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the JMMs all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  wrote:I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My go to is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my true waist and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat pedals very, very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. I live that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have riding specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of my jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it by the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get creative and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing or any other pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in a pinch. With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the little black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have colored cord. A sewing supplier might also. I noticed in the photo Leah posted of her ankle with grease stain the cuff appears , how do I say . all flared out. I'd suggest when you wrap your leg,  pull your pants taught at the front, then fold the excess fabric around the outside of your leg so there's no excess fabric hanging out. Then put on your straps, leaving enough play for the knee to bend freely. As for what I wear, since I've gone back to deep drop bar road bike setups, I'm more in to road wear than ever as it's very functional and serves a very specific purpose. I had already been wearing bib shorts for the last 5 years, but since going lower and lower in drop none of my previous clothing works, there's, there's too much bulk and zippers rubbing on shorts, none of which is any good !I do have my own style and have a preference for certain color and combos. Even riding road clothes, you can dress "nice'. . as it's simply a mater of self respect. Most sold colors of subtle combos of complimentary colors, no silly patterns or other weird things some clothes designers come up with. Mostly it's European styles as I find their sense of function and style very relatable, unlike American stuff !  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

[Bryce Lackey]

Is it not symmetrical? Can't you just remove the hardware and flip it?

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:10:55 AM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t think that the power is better than a perfectly optimized straddle 
> cable. It does seem better than I expected for that amount of clearance 
> though. It could be my imagination but the fork  mounting also feels more 
> solid. Some describe reduced brake chatter. I also like the longer housing 
> run but wish it was the same direction as my old setup. Highly recommend 
> getting one with a left side stop. You can see the cable angle is a little 
> odd for its pull on the Atlantis. 
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 10:34 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eliot,
>>
>> I am really impressed with your Suntour Power Hanger application.  It is 
>> very clean and a shiny silver ! After seeing it, I want one. 
>> Is there a dramatic or a significant improvement in stopping power ?  
>> Is the Power Hanger just for the front forks only ?
>>
>> Thank-you,
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:31:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m going to take the plunge and shellac the bars too. I really like the 
>>> color of the chainstay protector. 
>>>
>>> Also digging the bronze accents (Thanks Erik) The bronze rims work 
>>> better than I expected. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 2:54 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 That's a beauty Eliot! I just love those Toyo Atlanti. Enjoy the ride!

 Cheers, John

 On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:49:14 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> In my experience when just a few coats of shellac are used it can feel 
> rough.  I always do many coats, 7,8 or more until it feels smooth. 
> The longest to dry is the first coat, after that dry time is quicker 
> as you put on more coats. My shellacked bars are very smooth. 
>
> Good luck, nice looking bike.  
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:41:29 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share it 
>> with you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the chainstay 
>> protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? 
>> (i 
>> haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan to 
>> add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I 
>> wanted 
>> to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle 
>> high 
>> enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style cantis. 
>> I 
>> also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got from 
>> a 
>> group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very pleased 
>> with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of 
>> the 
>> headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the 
>> cable 
>> entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird 
>> british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the right. 
>> It 
>> works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout out 
>> to 
>> Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated 
>> decaleur 
>> (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short bag 
>> height and high handlebar). 
>>
>> Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you 
>> would improve on the build in any way.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

[Eliot Balogh]

Yes Bryce, you are right . I realized that after I posted. I don’t think it
would work with the Paul’s anyway since the cable bolt is on the right arm.


On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 5:08 AM Bryce Lackey 
wrote:

> Is it not symmetrical? Can't you just remove the hardware and flip it?
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:10:55 AM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I don’t think that the power is better than a perfectly optimized
>> straddle cable. It does seem better than I expected for that amount of
>> clearance though. It could be my imagination but the fork  mounting also
>> feels more solid. Some describe reduced brake chatter. I also like the
>> longer housing run but wish it was the same direction as my old setup.
>> Highly recommend getting one with a left side stop. You can see the cable
>> angle is a little odd for its pull on the Atlantis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 10:34 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eliot,
>>>
>>> I am really impressed with your Suntour Power Hanger application.  It is
>>> very clean and a shiny silver ! After seeing it, I want one.
>>> Is there a dramatic or a significant improvement in stopping power ?
>>> Is the Power Hanger just for the front forks only ?
>>>
>>> Thank-you,
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:31:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’m going to take the plunge and shellac the bars too. I really like
 the color of the chainstay protector.

 Also digging the bronze accents (Thanks Erik) The bronze rims work
 better than I expected.

 On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 2:54 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> That's a beauty Eliot! I just love those Toyo Atlanti. Enjoy the ride!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:49:14 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>
>> In my experience when just a few coats of shellac are used it can
>> feel rough.  I always do many coats, 7,8 or more until it feels smooth.
>> The longest to dry is the first coat, after that dry time is quicker
>> as you put on more coats. My shellacked bars are very smooth.
>>
>> Good luck, nice looking bike.
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:41:29 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share it
>>> with you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the chainstay
>>> protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? 
>>> (i
>>> haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan to
>>> add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I 
>>> wanted
>>> to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle 
>>> high
>>> enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style cantis. 
>>> I
>>> also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got 
>>> from a
>>> group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very pleased
>>> with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of 
>>> the
>>> headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the 
>>> cable
>>> entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird
>>> british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the right. 
>>> It
>>> works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout 
>>> out to
>>> Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated 
>>> decaleur
>>> (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short bag
>>> height and high handlebar).
>>>
>>> Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you
>>> would improve on the build in any way.
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

[Kim H.]

@Eliot -
...interesting. I think I stay with what I have in the way of braking, Dia 
Compe 980 cantilever brakes on my Clem.
Thank-you for the details.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.  

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 6:12:59 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes Bryce, you are right . I realized that after I posted. I don’t think 
> it would work with the Paul’s anyway since the cable bolt is on the right 
> arm.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 5:08 AM Bryce Lackey  wrote:
>
>> Is it not symmetrical? Can't you just remove the hardware and flip it?
>>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:10:55 AM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t think that the power is better than a perfectly optimized 
>>> straddle cable. It does seem better than I expected for that amount of 
>>> clearance though. It could be my imagination but the fork  mounting also 
>>> feels more solid. Some describe reduced brake chatter. I also like the 
>>> longer housing run but wish it was the same direction as my old setup. 
>>> Highly recommend getting one with a left side stop. You can see the cable 
>>> angle is a little odd for its pull on the Atlantis. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 10:34 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Eliot,

 I am really impressed with your Suntour Power Hanger application.  It 
 is very clean and a shiny silver ! After seeing it, I want one. 
 Is there a dramatic or a significant improvement in stopping power ?  
 Is the Power Hanger just for the front forks only ?

 Thank-you,
 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:31:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I’m going to take the plunge and shellac the bars too. I really like 
> the color of the chainstay protector. 
>
> Also digging the bronze accents (Thanks Erik) The bronze rims work 
> better than I expected. 
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 2:54 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> That's a beauty Eliot! I just love those Toyo Atlanti. Enjoy the ride!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:49:14 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In my experience when just a few coats of shellac are used it can 
>>> feel rough.  I always do many coats, 7,8 or more until it feels smooth. 
>>> The longest to dry is the first coat, after that dry time is quicker 
>>> as you put on more coats. My shellacked bars are very smooth. 
>>>
>>> Good luck, nice looking bike.  
>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:41:29 PM UTC-4 
>>> eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello All,

 I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share 
 it with you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the 
 chainstay 
 protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? 
 (i 
 haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan 
 to 
 add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I 
 wanted 
 to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle 
 high 
 enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style 
 cantis. I 
 also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got 
 from a 
 group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very 
 pleased 
 with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of 
 the 
 headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the 
 cable 
 entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird 
 british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the 
 right. It 
 works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout 
 out to 
 Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated 
 decaleur 
 (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short 
 bag 
 height and high handlebar). 

 Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you 
 would improve on the build in any way.

 https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6

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[RBW] Re: First ride report from Western PA

[ascpgh]

Nice, from a fellow Rambouillet owner. in SW PA Mine is an '02 orangesicle 
and I am out along those paths and ways alot. Will be looking for you.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-4 notlaw...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Greetings from Pittsburgh!
> New Rivendell owner exploring some local trails on a previously enjoyed 
> Rambouillet.
> Still getting the fit dialed in, but I'm really enjoying the bike on a mix 
> of paved/unpaved terrain.
>
> Thought I would share some images from three recent rides.
> Little Boston, Eliza Furnace, and Buffalo Creek
>
> Hopefully I've downsized these enough for easy viewing.
> See you out there,
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] First ride report from Western PA

[Richard Rose]

Looks like some beautiful riding!Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Chuck Walton  wrote:Greetings from Pittsburgh!New Rivendell owner exploring some local trails on a previously enjoyed Rambouillet.Still getting the fit dialed in, but I'm really enjoying the bike on a mix of paved/unpaved terrain.Thought I would share some images from three recent rides.Little Boston, Eliza Furnace, and Buffalo CreekHopefully I've downsized these enough for easy viewing.See you out there,Chuck



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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Dorothy C]

I can’t really advise on clothes, because I sew most of the clothes I wear, 
but unfortunately my hand made skirts and dresses don’t really work on the 
bike. I wore a handmade grey dress recently when I was using my Cheviot, 
which has an unguarded triple, on my car’s hitch mount rack, and I managed 
to plant a big chainring mark on the front of the skirt while lifting the 
bike onto the rack. Luckily I was able to get the stain out by rubbing it 
with Mexican Zote laundry soap and cold water, then laundering as normal. 
My favorite pants for bike riding were the sadly discontinued REI Kornati, 
which have a little horizontal loop at knee level on the outside of each 
side of the knee, and a vertical hanging strap on the insides of the legs, 
with two parts of plastic snap on the end of the strap. They are 
unnoticeable when then pants are worn unrolled, but gather up each side of 
the legs when the straps are snapped through the loop. My handmade jeans 
are all narrow enough legs that I just fold them up out of the way, but my 
company’s dress code only allows jeans on Fridays. 
For footwear I like Xero shoes, which are very thin soled. I have the Mesa 
Trail, Kelso and a knit slip on style called Oswego which I don’t think 
they carry any more. They work well for my small wide feet and have enough 
grip on the pedals. 
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:03:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I love 
> these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made very 
> specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the JMMs 
> all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  
>
> You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. 
>
> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My go to 
> is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my true waist 
> and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat pedals very, 
> very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. I live 
> that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have riding 
> specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of my 
> jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. 
>
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some 
>> elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it by 
>> the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get 
>> creative and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing or 
>> any other pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in a 
>> pinch. With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the 
>> little black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have 
>> colored cord. A sewing supplier might also. 
>>
>> I noticed in the photo Leah posted of her ankle with grease stain the 
>> cuff appears , how do I say . all flared out. I'd suggest when you wrap 
>> your leg,  pull your pants taught at the front, then fold the excess fabric 
>> around the outside of your leg so there's no excess fabric hanging out. 
>> Then put on your straps, leaving enough play for the knee to bend freely. 
>>
>> As for what I wear, since I've gone back to deep drop bar road bike 
>> setups, I'm more in to road wear than ever as it's very functional and 
>> serves a very specific purpose. I had already been wearing bib shorts for 
>> the last 5 years, but since going lower and lower in drop none of my 
>> previous clothing works, there's, there's too much bulk and zippers rubbing 
>> on shorts, none of which is any good !
>> I do have my own style and have a preference for certain color and 
>> combos. Even riding road clothes, you can dress "nice'. . as it's 
>> simply a mater of self respect. Most sold colors of subtle combos of 
>> complimentary colors, no silly patterns or other weird things some clothes 
>> designers come up with. Mostly it's European styles as I find their sense 
>> of function and style very relatable, unlike American stuff !  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[danielle da cruz]

Love the topic, the pics, and stand with Bill on the peg and fold (and the 
hairsprayed bangs though I'm class of '96)! And Leah, I feel your pain 
having recently greased up the leg of my new 
so-pale-blue-they're-nearly-white wide leg overalls.

I ride to work and so don't dress only for my bike. In warmer weather I 
love a shorter dress (Cheviot rider here, though I'll rock a dress on the 
Roadini when it arrives) and love my sneaker pedals to bike in wooden clogs 
and wooden soled sandals. One of those probably saved my foot when I was 
hit on my way to work last summer. My ankle was broken, the shoe smashed to 
pieces, all foot bones intact :) I bought a second pair and wear them 
nearly every ride to work.

For the transition seasons when I'm not yet in socks I do love a good peg 
and fold on the wide leg pants, just have to roll them high enough. 
Otherwise I'd do a tuck into a high sock. Please keep the suggestions and 
photos coming! 

Danielle

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:03:42 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I love 
> these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made very 
> specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the JMMs 
> all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  
>
> You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. 
>
> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My go to 
> is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my true waist 
> and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat pedals very, 
> very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. I live 
> that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have riding 
> specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of my 
> jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. 
>
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some 
>> elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it by 
>> the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get 
>> creative and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing or 
>> any other pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in a 
>> pinch. With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the 
>> little black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have 
>> colored cord. A sewing supplier might also. 
>>
>> I noticed in the photo Leah posted of her ankle with grease stain the 
>> cuff appears , how do I say . all flared out. I'd suggest when you wrap 
>> your leg,  pull your pants taught at the front, then fold the excess fabric 
>> around the outside of your leg so there's no excess fabric hanging out. 
>> Then put on your straps, leaving enough play for the knee to bend freely. 
>>
>> As for what I wear, since I've gone back to deep drop bar road bike 
>> setups, I'm more in to road wear than ever as it's very functional and 
>> serves a very specific purpose. I had already been wearing bib shorts for 
>> the last 5 years, but since going lower and lower in drop none of my 
>> previous clothing works, there's, there's too much bulk and zippers rubbing 
>> on shorts, none of which is any good !
>> I do have my own style and have a preference for certain color and 
>> combos. Even riding road clothes, you can dress "nice'. . as it's 
>> simply a mater of self respect. Most sold colors of subtle combos of 
>> complimentary colors, no silly patterns or other weird things some clothes 
>> designers come up with. Mostly it's European styles as I find their sense 
>> of function and style very relatable, unlike American stuff !  
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[RBW] Re: New Build Day! Two Speed Road Bike

[Guy LeVan]

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 7:06 AM Guy LeVan  wrote:

Hi Bill,

Great looking Rom!  I am in the middle of designing my 3X1 drivetrain on 
either a Rambouillet frame (132.5 rear spacing), or on my Atlantis or Clem 
frame,  and thinking about using a 44/32/22 old Specialized MTB crankset, 
with a Paul WORD hub in the back, and either a Melvin or a cheap derailleur 
on the derailleur hanger for chain tension. I’m in the Salt Lake City area, 
so lots of hilly terrain, and I am 62 years old.  Thinking about a 18, 20 
or 22 tooth cog in back.  I’m a competent bike mechanic, but this is a 
first dive into this configuration for me.  Some of my preliminary 
questions for you:

1) will a 22 tooth small front chainring function with a single cog of 
equal teeth?
2) Is 5he Paul WORD the correct single speed hub to use?
3) if it turns out that I would prefer a 3 X 2 cogs in back config, is that 
doable?

This will be an interesting journey, and thanks in advance.

Guy LeVan
Sandy, UT

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:08:45 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I added a couple photos:
>
> Drivetrain: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173631968/
> Bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173144361/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:28:14 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> Anxiously Awaiting photos for APPROVAL.
>>
>> ; )
>>
>> Eric
>> Indpls
>>
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 11:55:58 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Three random events triggered a rebuild of my Romulus drivetrain:
>>>
>>> 1. Blue Lug instagram photo of Grant with his 3x1 Platypus
>>> 2. Joe Bernard desperately wanting to get rid of a Paul Melvin
>>> 3. George coming through with an 18T single White Industries Freewheel 
>>> when I offered to raid your parts box
>>>
>>> Because of the above, I decided to remove:
>>>
>>> Campy Centaur crankset with 39/24 rings
>>> White Dos Eno 16/18 FW
>>> FSA front derailleur
>>> Deore XT springless rear derailleur
>>>
>>> What went on was/is:
>>>
>>> Ritchey/Sugino 172.5 cranks with 46/36/24 rings
>>> 18T White Industries FW
>>> Shimano Deerhead front derailleur
>>> Paul Melvin
>>>
>>> So now it's a three-speed road bike, with gears of 70, 55 and 37 inches. 
>>>  The Paul Melvin documentation says it'll take up 20 teeth, but it seems 
>>> fine here at 22 teeth.  I'll add photos to the album.  This is really close 
>>> to what I would probably do on a Roaduno.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:06:29 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I pounced on a local 59cm Romulus.  That bike has long been on my list 
 of "I'd ride THAT" bikes, but it wasn't a terribly high priority.  This 
 opportunity presented itself and got to work.  

 Cutting to the chase: here's the album  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720310604809

 The bike was a mostly original Riv complete Rom build.  It had a 
 mustache bar cockpit, and Silver bar con shifters, but otherwise was 
 pretty 
 much stock.  It's got nicks and scratches beau-sage but was in 
 mechanically 
 fine shape.  

 This is going to be a versatile road platform upon which I could 
 implement a number of different build concepts.  The one that had been 
 sticking in my mind, though, was a front-derailleur only road two speed. 
  The forthcoming Roaduno is allegedly going to have both a rear der hanger 
 as well as the braze on bits to do a FRONT shifter.  Some listers vocally 
 proclaimed that "silly", but it seems pretty sensible to me.  I had not 
 executed a build of that kind, and this was my shot.  

 From "inventory" I pulled together a nice two speed road bike kit:

 The wheelset was "inherited" from my Crust Florida Man., which lives in 
 Michigan.  When I built that bike, I used stuff I had on-hand, including a 
 pair of HED Belgium rims.  Those are almost impossible to get anymore, so 
 I 
 built a new set of wheels around cheaper and wider rims to bring that 
 wheelset back to California.  I just grabbed them off the hook.  I put a 
 pair of used Compass Steilacoom 700x38 knobbier on there (with latex 
 tubes!) and grabbed a 16/18 DOS ENO freewheel.  The rear hub is Surly 
 Ultra 
 New.  The front is a Phil Track hub.  I tossed on a pair of Shimano 
 "CLICKR" SPD pedals.  

 The drivetrain centers on a Campy Centaur 172.5mm square taper cranks
 Origin8 sealed BB (110.5)
 blue chain guard
 39T tripleizer ring
 24T ring from the original Rom build

 The front derailleur is a heavily modified FSA that I had from earlier 
 experiments.  The shift lever is a Shimano Ultegra "triple-color" model 
 from he 1990s with an awesome return spring inside to make it really light 
 action.  The tensioner is a modified XT rapid rise.  There's no return 
 spring inside, from 

[RBW] Re: New Build Day! Two Speed Road Bike

[Bill Lindsay]

Guy asked a few questions

1) will a 22 tooth small front chainring function with a single cog of 
equal teeth?  Yes, absolutely yes.  Note that the documentation for a Paul 
Melvin states that it will only work with up to a 20T cog.  If you use a 
derailleur or somebody else's tensioner, keep track of that
2) Is 5he Paul WORD the correct single speed hub to use?  There are several 
choices and Paul is one of them.  I've been buying up a bunch of the Surly 
Ultra New, and I've been very pleased with it.  I like Paul, and I do send 
a fair bit of my money their way, so if you want to spend the money (or 
like the look of it), it's a fine choice.  
3) if it turns out that I would prefer a 3 X 2 cogs in back config, is that 
doable?  Sure. How exactly you decide to do it is up to you. Before moving 
to my configuration, I was using a "springless" rear derailleur, which I 
thought was a pretty slick solution.  The thing I always keep track of is 
chain line.  You are mostly stuck with whatever you get with the rear chain 
line, but you have flexibility to set the front chain line with a square 
taper BB.  Measure and decide.  All of this works because modern chains are 
quite flexible, but still you want things to be as straight and centered as 
is practical.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:07:49 AM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 7:06 AM Guy LeVan  wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Great looking Rom!  I am in the middle of designing my 3X1 drivetrain on 
> either a Rambouillet frame (132.5 rear spacing), or on my Atlantis or Clem 
> frame,  and thinking about using a 44/32/22 old Specialized MTB crankset, 
> with a Paul WORD hub in the back, and either a Melvin or a cheap derailleur 
> on the derailleur hanger for chain tension. I’m in the Salt Lake City area, 
> so lots of hilly terrain, and I am 62 years old.  Thinking about a 18, 20 
> or 22 tooth cog in back.  I’m a competent bike mechanic, but this is a 
> first dive into this configuration for me.  Some of my preliminary 
> questions for you:
>
> 1) will a 22 tooth small front chainring function with a single cog of 
> equal teeth?
> 2) Is 5he Paul WORD the correct single speed hub to use?
> 3) if it turns out that I would prefer a 3 X 2 cogs in back config, is 
> that doable?
>
> This will be an interesting journey, and thanks in advance.
>
> Guy LeVan
> Sandy, UT
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:08:45 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I added a couple photos:
>>
>> Drivetrain: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173631968/
>> Bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173144361/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:28:14 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously Awaiting photos for APPROVAL.
>>>
>>> ; )
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Indpls
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 11:55:58 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Three random events triggered a rebuild of my Romulus drivetrain:

 1. Blue Lug instagram photo of Grant with his 3x1 Platypus
 2. Joe Bernard desperately wanting to get rid of a Paul Melvin
 3. George coming through with an 18T single White Industries Freewheel 
 when I offered to raid your parts box

 Because of the above, I decided to remove:

 Campy Centaur crankset with 39/24 rings
 White Dos Eno 16/18 FW
 FSA front derailleur
 Deore XT springless rear derailleur

 What went on was/is:

 Ritchey/Sugino 172.5 cranks with 46/36/24 rings
 18T White Industries FW
 Shimano Deerhead front derailleur
 Paul Melvin

 So now it's a three-speed road bike, with gears of 70, 55 and 37 
 inches.  The Paul Melvin documentation says it'll take up 20 teeth, but it 
 seems fine here at 22 teeth.  I'll add photos to the album.  This is 
 really 
 close to what I would probably do on a Roaduno.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:06:29 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I pounced on a local 59cm Romulus.  That bike has long been on my list 
> of "I'd ride THAT" bikes, but it wasn't a terribly high priority.  This 
> opportunity presented itself and got to work.  
>
> Cutting to the chase: here's the album  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720310604809
>
> The bike was a mostly original Riv complete Rom build.  It had a 
> mustache bar cockpit, and Silver bar con shifters, but otherwise was 
> pretty 
> much stock.  It's got nicks and scratches beau-sage but was in 
> mechanically 
> fine shape.  
>
> This is going to be a versatile road platform upon which I could 
> implement a number of different build concepts.  The one that had been 
> sticking in my mind, though, was a front-derailleur only road two speed. 
>  The forthcoming Roaduno is allegedly going to have both a rear der 
> hange

[RBW] FS: Berthoud Aravis Saddle

[Kirke Campbell]

Up for sale is a Berthoud Aravis saddle in brown with titanium rails.

This is a great saddle, but I just switched back to a B17 and simply find 
that works better for me. 

Purchased new about 2 years ago, I'd say it's broken in but it has minimal 
miles on it - just around town riding and never in the rain. Has been 
treated twice with Obenauf's leather preservative from Rene Herse Cycles. 

These are $319+shipping new. I'm asking $250 including shipping to the 
continental US. 
Or make me an offer? Or maybe you have a Campy Record titanium seat post 
you'd trade?

Pics here. 

 

Thanks!
Kirke


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[RBW] Re: Current cork grip gluing BKM?

[Alex Wirth]

It's tricky because you can split the grip if you're not careful doing it 
this way buttypically adding one strip of newbaums  lengthwise on the 
bar adds enough friction to keep everything snug and in place.  Only use 
one piece about 1/3 to half the length of the grip. Start with less and see 
how the fit isI've found that the inner diameter of the grips has 
changed slightly over the years.

Alex in Rochester, NY

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:21:35 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I've used Permatex.  I think I got them off but can't remember how.
>
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:07:57 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks.
>>
>> I just did a search on this and found a (largely inconclusive) thread 
>> from 2020.  RBW currently shows something like Amazing Goop/Shoe Goo being 
>> liberally smeared on the bar before sliding on the grip, which of course 
>> results in a bunch of that toxic goo pushing out from under the grip and a 
>> grip that is completely fused to the bar.  I have read a couple folks 
>> suggesting that they managed to secure the grips well (enough) but still 
>> remove without destroying, which sounds pretty good.  Is there a current 
>> "best" way/product for doing this?
>>
>> Thanks, Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Steve]

Oh my darling Clementine.Gotta ask about that rear wheel. 
Pneumatic suspension. or ???

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:

> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has since 
> moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is back in 
> the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍
>
> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Brian Turner]

While I don’t consider myself the most stylish of dressers, what I wear daily is also what works for me well on the bike. I have never liked the idea of bike-specific clothing, so I’ve gravitated towards daily wear that also functions perfectly while riding. My bike friends have noted that I almost always wear some sort of button-up shirt, so I guess that is my “style”, for lack of a better word. In the summer, I prefer long-sleeve, roomy shirts that are lightweight and allow for venting or flapping in the breeze. My current favorite summer shirts are somewhat technical fabric (I think), and are various levels of UPF for that important sun protection. I have probably five shirts made by Howler Brothers, and specifically their “Matagorda” shirt. It’s kinda like those fishing shirts you see men wearing but a bit more stylish and without those beachy pastel colors. I find them ultra comfortable on hot days, and your body stays cooler with less exposed skin. For footwear, my summer choice is either Vans or Five Ten for that good grip on flat pedals. I haven’t really arrived at a preferred pair of shorts… usually whatever works fine for me.For Fall and Winter, I’m either wearing my Kitsbow Icon or my Pendleton Canyon shirts (both are the same weight Pendleton wool). The Kitsbow is pricey and technical and you can no longer buy them unfortunately. I like the fit, but the Pendleton Canyon is more relaxed and casual (think old-school cowboy wear). Pair either of these shirts with a wool t-shirt or long-sleeve base layer and you are all set for cool weather riding. All of my pants are typically slim-cut, so I never have any issues with the cuff getting caught up in the drivetrain. My favorite riding pants are from when Levis used to make a line of “bike commuter” pants. They’re like heavy duty, gusseted-crotch chinos with a combination of cotton and spandex for a bit of stretch. I have two pair, but unfortunately they no longer make them… but they’re amazing. I also prefer to bike in Blundstone boots during the colder months of the year. They are actually quite nice for pedaling.I should also note that I never wear chamois or bibs, ever. I sweat too much, and the thought of sitting on a wet sponge causing all that nasty friction kinda grosses me out. Just wool boxers, whatever pants I’m wearing, and a leather saddle. That combo has always treated my right, even on 100 mi rides.BrianLexington, KYSent from my iPadOn Sep 10, 2023, at 12:54 PM, danielle da cruz  wrote:Love the topic, the pics, and stand with Bill on the peg and fold (and the hairsprayed bangs though I'm class of '96)! And Leah, I feel your pain having recently greased up the leg of my new so-pale-blue-they're-nearly-white wide leg overalls.I ride to work and so don't dress only for my bike. In warmer weather I love a shorter dress (Cheviot rider here, though I'll rock a dress on the Roadini when it arrives) and love my sneaker pedals to bike in wooden clogs and wooden soled sandals. One of those probably saved my foot when I was hit on my way to work last summer. My ankle was broken, the shoe smashed to pieces, all foot bones intact :) I bought a second pair and wear them nearly every ride to work.For the transition seasons when I'm not yet in socks I do love a good peg and fold on the wide leg pants, just have to roll them high enough. Otherwise I'd do a tuck into a high sock. Please keep the suggestions and photos coming! DanielleOn Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:03:42 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I love these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made very specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the JMMs all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  wrote:I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My go to is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my true waist and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat pedals very, very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. I live that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have riding specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of my jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it by the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get creative and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing or any other pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in a pinch. With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the little black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have colored cord.

[RBW] FS 1990’s Campagnolo Veloce Components and more

[Rich Powers]

The campy items are from a very low mileage build from a family member who
no longer rides. Pictures at: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ngmnuqJEE45yzhJf8

Feel free to select a few items and make me an offer! Shipping/postage NOT
included.  Paypal preferred this- address. Please contact me off-list.

Rich in Des Moines


Campagnolo Veloce Crankset 170 mm triple 52/42/30 with Campy bottom bracket
and crank bolts. Great condition.  $135

26” road wheels 559 (or normal mtb size) front and rear like new. Sun
DW6000 silver 32-hole eyeleted rims with DT spokes alloy silver alloy
nipples 8-speed Campagnolo  Veloce 130 mm wide hub set 8-speed  includes a
silver 13-26t cassette $225

Veloce road calipers- short reach $55 pad in great shape

Veloce Ergopower shift/brake levers 8 speed, silver, excellent condition $95

Campagnolo cable stops $15 with shifters or $20 alone.

Veloce front triple derailleur 1 ⅛” $55

Ritchey Tom Slick tires folding bead w/ tubes 26 x1” light use $40 for all

Terry stem is 75 mm long, and the quill is roughly 210 mm $30

Terry bar 38 mm c to c $30

Terry women's saddle  w/ a small tear that can be seen in the picture 164
mm wide 250 mm long$ 20

WTB saddle used cromo tubular- roughly 132 mm about 280mm long. Maybe a
Volt?  $35

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Emily Guise]

I have been all about the coastal grandma trend this summer, so I've been 
wearing a lot of flowy wide-legged pants. All of my current bikes have 
exposed chains, so what I've been doing is the peg and fold (as mentioned 
above) to my knee on the drive side leg while riding, then a quick unfold 
upon arriving at my destination. Folding it at least 3 times seems to be 
the key for these kinds of fabrics, as folding it only once or twice has 
caused unfortunate mid-ride unfolds. For fall, I usually wear slightly 
stiffer fabrics like denim and twill, so even though they are wide-leg, if 
I roll them up a 1-2 times then they stay and I don't usually need to peg 
them as well. If I get grease on them, it is at least on the inside. I wear 
mid-calf or knee-high socks so my legs stay warm.

Leah, I think we are close to the same age, and while the skinny leg and 
boot trend was great for biking, the thigh constriction was not, IMO. So I 
too am loving the return of high waist wide legs and freer thigh movement! 
:)

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> While I don’t consider myself the most stylish of dressers, what I wear 
> daily is also what works for me well on the bike. I have never liked the 
> idea of bike-specific clothing, so I’ve gravitated towards daily wear that 
> also functions perfectly while riding. My bike friends have noted that I 
> almost always wear some sort of button-up shirt, so I guess that is my 
> “style”, for lack of a better word. In the summer, I prefer long-sleeve, 
> roomy shirts that are lightweight and allow for venting or flapping in the 
> breeze. My current favorite summer shirts are somewhat technical fabric (I 
> think), and are various levels of UPF for that important sun protection. I 
> have probably five shirts made by Howler Brothers, and specifically their 
> “Matagorda” shirt. It’s kinda like those fishing shirts you see men wearing 
> but a bit more stylish and without those beachy pastel colors. I find them 
> ultra comfortable on hot days, and your body stays cooler with less exposed 
> skin. For footwear, my summer choice is either Vans or Five Ten for that 
> good grip on flat pedals. I haven’t really arrived at a preferred pair of 
> shorts… usually whatever works fine for me.
>
> For Fall and Winter, I’m either wearing my Kitsbow Icon or my Pendleton 
> Canyon shirts (both are the same weight Pendleton wool). The Kitsbow is 
> pricey and technical and you can no longer buy them unfortunately. I like 
> the fit, but the Pendleton Canyon is more relaxed and casual (think 
> old-school cowboy wear). Pair either of these shirts with a wool t-shirt or 
> long-sleeve base layer and you are all set for cool weather riding. All of 
> my pants are typically slim-cut, so I never have any issues with the cuff 
> getting caught up in the drivetrain. My favorite riding pants are from when 
> Levis used to make a line of “bike commuter” pants. They’re like heavy 
> duty, gusseted-crotch chinos with a combination of cotton and spandex for a 
> bit of stretch. I have two pair, but unfortunately they no longer make 
> them… but they’re amazing. I also prefer to bike in Blundstone boots during 
> the colder months of the year. They are actually quite nice for pedaling.
>
> I should also note that I never wear chamois or bibs, ever. I sweat too 
> much, and the thought of sitting on a wet sponge causing all that nasty 
> friction kinda grosses me out. Just wool boxers, whatever pants I’m 
> wearing, and a leather saddle. That combo has always treated my right, even 
> on 100 mi rides.
>
> Brian
> Lexington, KY
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 10, 2023, at 12:54 PM, danielle da cruz  
> wrote:
>
> Love the topic, the pics, and stand with Bill on the peg and fold (and 
> the hairsprayed bangs though I'm class of '96)! And Leah, I feel your pain 
> having recently greased up the leg of my new 
> so-pale-blue-they're-nearly-white wide leg overalls.
>
>
> I ride to work and so don't dress only for my bike. In warmer weather I 
> love a shorter dress (Cheviot rider here, though I'll rock a dress on the 
> Roadini when it arrives) and love my sneaker pedals to bike in wooden clogs 
> and wooden soled sandals. One of those probably saved my foot when I was 
> hit on my way to work last summer. My ankle was broken, the shoe smashed to 
> pieces, all foot bones intact :) I bought a second pair and wear them 
> nearly every ride to work.
>
> For the transition seasons when I'm not yet in socks I do love a good peg 
> and fold on the wide leg pants, just have to roll them high enough. 
> Otherwise I'd do a tuck into a high sock. Please keep the suggestions and 
> photos coming! 
>
> Danielle
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:03:42 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I love 
>> these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made very 
>> specific decis

Re: [RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Alex Wirth]

That’s a Copenhagen wheel (self contained pedal assist e-bike mod)

Unfortunately no longer made, Company made a pivot toward scooters.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 3:06 PM Steve  wrote:

> Oh my darling Clementine.Gotta ask about that rear wheel.
> Pneumatic suspension. or ???
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:
>
>> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has since
>> moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is back in
>> the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍
>>
>> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Nitto R10

[jaredwilson]

All squared away with an R10 en route, will update for posterity how it 
interfaces with the medium saddlesack.

Thanks for all the replies and offers :)

jared
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:41:02 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> I appreciate everyone weighing in!
>
> As expected I haven't received any interest in a sale or trade, so I 
> looked into running the M1 on the rear and it seems like it will suffice 
> for the time being. I'll have a better idea of it's functionality as time 
> goes on but it seems promising, especially for utilizing something I 
> already had on hand which is sorta the point of this build.
>
> Thanks and if you want to sell an R10 I'm still listening :)
>
> jared
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 4:11:27 PM UTC-7 Jason wrote:
>
>> A month or so back, I also started looking for a Nitto R10 (for the Swift 
>> Zeitgeist on my Sam). I put a line out on the FB Rivendell Buy Sell Trade 
>> group, and ended up snagging a used one. About the same time as I listed 
>> that inquiry, I reached out to Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston, Illinois 
>> (the local Riv dealer around here) and Sam found a new one through one 
>> their trade partners shortly thereafter. I ended up going with the used 
>> one, so it may be worth reaching out to Mack’s if nothing turns up here. 
>> Just a thought!
>>
>>
>> Jason
>> Oak Park, IL
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> The burrito does look like it has a concave shape side-to-side.  But, 
>>> realistically, you just need something to stabilize the bag - not support 
>>> it with a full "platform," right?  This does cuts into tire or fender 
>>> clearance though, i suppose.   It does NOT seem to have the angled-up part 
>>> at the rear, which seems to me like it would work better with a 
>>> flat-bottomed saddlesack.  But the front of the bag would still get 
>>> scrunched in the middle, like Vince's that Dorothy posted.  That's the 
>>> trouble I had.  It took away a lot of volume and seemed like it would rub 
>>> through eventually, if stuffed regularly.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:49:53 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hmm, I looked at the burrito but decided it was the same as a r10 but 
 with that “scooped” platform?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 2, 2023, at 2:43 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

 My own question got me searching the web for pictures of the R10 
 working adequately.  I didn't see anything that convinced me it would, 
 however I did find this neat alternative:


 Simworks burrito rack.

 https://www.sim.works/products/burrito-rack?variant=44004249927934



 On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:47:22 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Have you previously gotten a Saddlesack to work with an R10 rack?  I 
> couldn't.   
>
> That rack seems more suited to traditional bags, like a Caradice, that 
> are improved by swinging them away from the seatpost and out from under 
> the 
> saddle.  Rivendell (sackville) bags are kind of hung from the center of 
> mass, and only reall work when allowed to hang level, under the saddle, 
> and 
> strapped to the seatposti front.
>
> If I'm wrong, I'd love to see photos of somebody successfully mating 
> the two.  Otherwise, just something to consider before buying.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jared. I could not find one here or anywhere for that matter. 
>> Ordered from Bluelug & had it in less than a week. And, even with 
>> shipping 
>> from Japan less $$ than domestic sources.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 9:45 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:
>>
>> Hey group,
>>
>>
>> Acquired another SaddleSack medium and find myself needing a Nitto 
>> R10 to support it.
>>
>> Would love to trade for a Riv Shiny rear rack or Marks rack, or 
>> purchase if need be.
>>
>> Please respond off list at jared wilson327 at gmail
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> jared
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Re: [RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Patrick Moore]

How do you like the Cophenhagen wheel? Pros? Cons?

Are there any other "motor in a wheel" plug-and-play devices on the market?
I thought of the Copenhagen wheel for easy on/off occasional power-assist.
(I might need it in 110 mm OL spacing, though.) (Just kidding.)

Funny, I wrote an expensive resume for a client who had developed an "all
in one" electric bike wheel but while it was pretty good technologically it
was too expensive for the market. But it was interesting to hear about it.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 1:05 PM Steve  wrote:

> Oh my darling Clementine.Gotta ask about that rear wheel.
> Pneumatic suspension. or ???
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:
>
>> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has since
>> moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is back in
>> the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍
>>
>> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Platypus Complete Pt.2

[jaredwilson]

Thanks, Richard.

I thought it was a steal at this pricing too but no serious bites yet.

*Now parting out!!!*

Please send an email (jared wilson 327 at gmail) if there's anything you're 
interested in, otherwise I will be starting a revised listing with pricing 
in the next day or so.

jared

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:03:15 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful Platy & seems an absolute steal. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2023, at 7:33 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:
>
> *$2,350*
>
>
> :)
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:12:01 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> *$2,400*
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:38:42 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> BUMP :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 And now for Ariel's bike...

 60cm Rivendell Platypus
 FSA headset
 110mm Nitto Faceplater 25.4 stem
 55cm Nitto Albatross
 Crane bell
 Shimano DXR levers
 Shimano DXR calipers
 Rivendell Silver2 shifters
 Campy FD
 Deore RD
 Silver 173mm double with guard
 Rich Lesnik built Cliffhangers to Shimano Dynamo and 9s Deore rear
 29x2.1" Schwalbe Thunderburts
 Stock seatpost
 Brooks B67S

 Platypus Photos 
 

 [image: IMG_7266.jpg]

 *Asking $2,500, local (Central CA/Bay Area) preferred, might ship*

 Please email jared wilson 327 at gmail to discuss, thanks :)

 jared

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Build Day! Two Speed Road Bike

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for the Surly Ultra fixed/free hub. They're very good and very
reasonably priced, *and* you can get it with a hollow axle to use with a QR
for easy and fast non-derailleur shifting.

I'll be interested to see photos and descriptions of your "multispeed
singlespeed."

As to chainline and # of cogs and rings: modern derailleur chains let you
can shift up to 12 in back!

Me, I use one of my hoard of Surly Dingle cogs for my Phil fixed/fixed
wheel (QR attachment so it's very easy to shift, tho' of course you need
horizontal dropouts), and White Industries still offers its DOS 2-cog
freewheel.

And of course you can still occasionally find Sturmey Archer multispeed
fixed hubs on eBay; I have a TF (direct and 75%; wonderful simple hub with
very very little lash), TC (direct and 86.54%), ASC (direct, 90%, 75%); and
a lackluster mofern and still on-market S3X 3 speed fixed hub (but threaded
driver so it will accept single speed freewheels) is still available:
direct, 75%, 62.5%).

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 11:07 AM Guy LeVan  wrote:

>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 7:06 AM Guy LeVan  wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Great looking Rom!  I am in the middle of designing my 3X1 drivetrain on
> either a Rambouillet frame (132.5 rear spacing), or on my Atlantis or Clem
> frame,  and thinking about using a 44/32/22 old Specialized MTB crankset,
> with a Paul WORD hub in the back, and either a Melvin or a cheap derailleur
> on the derailleur hanger for chain tension. I’m in the Salt Lake City area,
> so lots of hilly terrain, and I am 62 years old.  Thinking about a 18, 20
> or 22 tooth cog in back.  I’m a competent bike mechanic, but this is a
> first dive into this configuration for me.  Some of my preliminary
> questions for you:
>
> 1) will a 22 tooth small front chainring function with a single cog of
> equal teeth?
> 2) Is 5he Paul WORD the correct single speed hub to use?
> 3) if it turns out that I would prefer a 3 X 2 cogs in back config, is
> that doable?
>
> This will be an interesting journey, and thanks in advance.
>
> Guy LeVan
> Sandy, UT
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:08:45 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I added a couple photos:
>>
>> Drivetrain: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173631968/
>> Bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173144361/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:28:14 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously Awaiting photos for APPROVAL.
>>>
>>> ; )
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Indpls
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 11:55:58 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Three random events triggered a rebuild of my Romulus drivetrain:

 1. Blue Lug instagram photo of Grant with his 3x1 Platypus
 2. Joe Bernard desperately wanting to get rid of a Paul Melvin
 3. George coming through with an 18T single White Industries Freewheel
 when I offered to raid your parts box

 Because of the above, I decided to remove:

 Campy Centaur crankset with 39/24 rings
 White Dos Eno 16/18 FW
 FSA front derailleur
 Deore XT springless rear derailleur

 What went on was/is:

 Ritchey/Sugino 172.5 cranks with 46/36/24 rings
 18T White Industries FW
 Shimano Deerhead front derailleur
 Paul Melvin

 So now it's a three-speed road bike, with gears of 70, 55 and 37
 inches.  The Paul Melvin documentation says it'll take up 20 teeth, but it
 seems fine here at 22 teeth.  I'll add photos to the album.  This is really
 close to what I would probably do on a Roaduno.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:06:29 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I pounced on a local 59cm Romulus.  That bike has long been on my list
> of "I'd ride THAT" bikes, but it wasn't a terribly high priority.  This
> opportunity presented itself and got to work.
>
> Cutting to the chase: here's the album
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720310604809
>
> The bike was a mostly original Riv complete Rom build.  It had a
> mustache bar cockpit, and Silver bar con shifters, but otherwise was 
> pretty
> much stock.  It's got nicks and scratches beau-sage but was in 
> mechanically
> fine shape.
>
> This is going to be a versatile road platform upon which I could
> implement a number of different build concepts.  The one that had been
> sticking in my mind, though, was a front-derailleur only road two speed.
> The forthcoming Roaduno is allegedly going to have both a rear der hanger
> as well as the braze on bits to do a FRONT shifter.  Some listers vocally
> proclaimed that "silly", but it seems pretty sensible to me.  I had not
> executed a build of that kind, and this was my shot.
>
> From "inventory" I pulled together a nice two speed road bike kit:
>
> The wheelset was "inherited" from my Crust Florida Man., which lives
> 

[RBW] upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[eddietheflay]

I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. I 
have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting 
myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable 
stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear 
portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite 
comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. 
Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make things 
more steady?

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[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[eddietheflay]

I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy 
when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front like 
you find on all drop bar bikes?

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

> I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. I 
> have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting 
> myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable 
> stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear 
> portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite 
> comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. 
> Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make things 
> more steady?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tan Acorn Bag

[Jason D]

Price drop to $70.

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:32:39 PM UTC-4 Jason D wrote:

> Ordered this a good while ago but never used it! Like new condition, 
> asking $75+actual shipping. Photos here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yc5jXQD9Elju1c-HYGfv7XrDq--RJtiR?usp=sharing
>
> Bag description here: 
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=32461102984
>
> [image: IMG_1608.jpg][image: IMG_1613.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Alex Wirth]

I’ve had and sold a bunch of e-bike products and I think it tops the list
if you’re riding an unloaded bike anywhere 15 miles or less.

Essentially the ideal urban errand solution.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 4:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> How do you like the Cophenhagen wheel? Pros? Cons?
>
> Are there any other "motor in a wheel" plug-and-play devices on the
> market? I thought of the Copenhagen wheel for easy on/off occasional
> power-assist. (I might need it in 110 mm OL spacing, though.) (Just
> kidding.)
>
> Funny, I wrote an expensive resume for a client who had developed an "all
> in one" electric bike wheel but while it was pretty good technologically it
> was too expensive for the market. But it was interesting to hear about it.
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 1:05 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> Oh my darling Clementine.Gotta ask about that rear wheel.
>> Pneumatic suspension. or ???
>>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:
>>
>>> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has
>>> since moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is
>>> back in the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍
>>>
>>> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Alex Wirth]

I don’t think there are any replacements in the marketplace but I haven’t
really been paying attention either 🤓

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 5:17 PM Alex Wirth <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’ve had and sold a bunch of e-bike products and I think it tops the list
> if you’re riding an unloaded bike anywhere 15 miles or less.
>
> Essentially the ideal urban errand solution.
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 4:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> How do you like the Cophenhagen wheel? Pros? Cons?
>>
>> Are there any other "motor in a wheel" plug-and-play devices on the
>> market? I thought of the Copenhagen wheel for easy on/off occasional
>> power-assist. (I might need it in 110 mm OL spacing, though.) (Just
>> kidding.)
>>
>> Funny, I wrote an expensive resume for a client who had developed an "all
>> in one" electric bike wheel but while it was pretty good technologically it
>> was too expensive for the market. But it was interesting to hear about it.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 1:05 PM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh my darling Clementine.Gotta ask about that rear
>>> wheel. Pneumatic suspension. or ???
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:
>>>
 My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has
 since moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is
 back in the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍

 [image: IMG-0506.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto R14, Nitto/Ocean Air Cycles Erlen racks

[scott minor]

All sold.  thanks!  

On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 4:21:19 PM UTC-4 scott minor wrote:

> *Erlen sold*.  
>
> R14 available.
>
> Thanks!  
>
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[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Joe Bernard]

Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots of 
upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference in 
steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call tiller 
effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos without 
needing the longest possible stem. 

*I will say that the Roadini is weighted towards being a dropbar road bike 
with semi-quick steering geometry. It's not primarily designed for Billies 
and should have a smidge more tiller than, say, a Clem or Platy. 

Joe Bernard 
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

> I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy 
> when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front like 
> you find on all drop bar bikes?
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. I 
>> have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting 
>> myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable 
>> stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear 
>> portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite 
>> comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. 
>> Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make things 
>> more steady?
>
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[RBW] WTB Nitto R-14 Rear Rack

[ian m]

This is the model with the mount for a rear dynamo light. Anyone know why 
or when they were discontinued? Or if there's another option for a 
saddlebag support with a light mount? Pic for reference[image: 
_dpp_41398.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

[Kyle Cotchett]

i shellaced the bars on my atlantis this summer. three left it rough, but 
the fourth coat left it real smooth!



On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:41:29 PM UTC+2 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share it with 
> you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the chainstay 
> protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? (i 
> haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan to 
> add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I wanted 
> to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle high 
> enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style cantis. I 
> also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got from a 
> group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very pleased 
> with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of the 
> headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the cable 
> entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird 
> british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the right. It 
> works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout out to 
> Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated decaleur 
> (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short bag 
> height and high handlebar). 
>
> Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you would 
> improve on the build in any way.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6
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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

[Eliot Balogh]

Very nice Kyle. I’m currently on coat #3. Still too rough.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 2:29 PM Kyle Cotchett 
wrote:

> i shellaced the bars on my atlantis this summer. three left it rough, but
> the fourth coat left it real smooth!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:41:29 PM UTC+2 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share it with
>> you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the chainstay
>> protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? (i
>> haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan to
>> add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I wanted
>> to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle high
>> enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style cantis. I
>> also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got from a
>> group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very pleased
>> with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of the
>> headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the cable
>> entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird
>> british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the right. It
>> works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout out to
>> Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated decaleur
>> (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short bag
>> height and high handlebar).
>>
>> Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you would
>> improve on the build in any way.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6
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Re: [RBW] Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[Kyle Cotchett]

Hey all,

My girlfriend and I took out our rivs and toured from Paris to Deauville 
following the Velo Seine route. We made it a 5-day tour. It was our first 
one and a real good time. I wrote a long-form ride report over here if you 
are interested!  


cheers! 

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:41:14 PM UTC+2 Kieran J wrote:

> Yep I plan on going back again (will be my third year). See u there :-D I 
> was there with my sister and she has already sold the event to some of her 
> CX buddies. The ranks are growing! I don't normally do paid organized 
> races/events like that, but it's a special one for sure. 
>
> Looking forward to seeing/reading more about your FR escapades!
>
> Best,
> Kieran
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:28:53 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Haha no way, fancy finding you here Kieran! That was an awesomely 
>> gruesome day. Glad I got to meet you all. Gram, Jaytee, and I are 
>> definitely returning next year. Hopefully I'll catch you out there again! I 
>> am hoping to instigate some more lively camping the night after the ride ( 
>> •̀ᴗ•́ )و ̑̑
>>
>> Dang that sounds like it would be a sweet tour. The riding out here has 
>> been great. I wish we had enough time to make it that far! We got one lined 
>> up to head west to Normandy over 5 days. I'll have to report back on that 
>> route.
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 8:27 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for posting Kyle - these are great.
>>>
>>> I noticed your Cascadia Super Gravel post and then realized I rode a lot 
>>> of the route with you and Jaytee and the big party pace gang. I'm the tall 
>>> guy on the pink Black Mountain in one of the pics. Such an awesome event!
>>>
>>> Enjoy your time in France. One of my bucket list trips is cycling from 
>>> Paris to the south, or even to Barcelona maybe. Hoping to do that in the 
>>> next couple of years. 
>>>
>>> Kieran
>>> Victoria, BC
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 11:36:50 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey John!

 Someone else just messaged me too about setting up a ride while I'm 
 out here! It would be sweet to get a route in together. Maybe sometime in 
 early September?

 Kyle

 On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:01 PM John Johnson  
 wrote:

> Thanks for the ride report, Kyle.
>
> I live not far from fontainebleau. The weather the last week or two in 
> July was definitely not great. Sorry that was during your trip.
>
> For what it's worth, the Scandiberique route (eurovelo 3) runs right 
> through the area and there are some great rides along old canal route 
> paths. The portion just south of Fontainebleau (Nemours to 'Bleau) is 
> really lovely. 
>
> And open invite to anyone on the forum to look me up if you're ever in 
> the region. 
>
> Cheers, 
>
> John
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC+2 wls...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Kyle - Enjoyed the write ups. Keep 'em coming!
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:32:20 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:
>>
>>> Kyle, 
>>>
>>> Good looking site. Thanks for sharing 
>>>
>>> Dustin
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Kyle Cotchett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all!
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my 
>>> website 
>>> . 
>>> For the most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend 
>>> and 
>>> I are taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for 
>>> summer/fall. 
>>> We brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some 
>>> rides 
>>> here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! 
>>> Thanks 
>>> for reading!
>>>
>>> -Kyle
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[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Joe Bernard]

Of course it might be worse on your current bike than any Rivendell. I have 
an old/cheap Marin hybrid with Boscos and the nervous/tiller effect on that 
one is kinda ridiculous, Rivs don't act like that. 

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots of 
> upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference in 
> steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call tiller 
> effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos without 
> needing the longest possible stem. 
>
> *I will say that the Roadini is weighted towards being a dropbar road bike 
> with semi-quick steering geometry. It's not primarily designed for Billies 
> and should have a smidge more tiller than, say, a Clem or Platy. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy 
>> when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front like 
>> you find on all drop bar bikes?
>>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. I 
>>> have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting 
>>> myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable 
>>> stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear 
>>> portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite 
>>> comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. 
>>> Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make things 
>>> more steady?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Jim Whorton]

I remember that Clementine, Alex!  Nice to see it again.

Jim in Rochester

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:

> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has since 
> moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is back in 
> the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍
>
> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Richard Rose]

Wow. All I can say is that the steering is not at all twitchy on either my Clem or Gus, both with Bosco’s. Clem has a 135 stem, Gus 100. It has been a long time since I rode drop bars but compared to my mtb’s with relatively straight bars with short stems, the Riv’s under steer a little bit. But other factors might be in play, geometry in particular.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 10, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Of course it might be worse on your current bike than any Rivendell. I have an old/cheap Marin hybrid with Boscos and the nervous/tiller effect on that one is kinda ridiculous, Rivs don't act like that. On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots of upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference in steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call tiller effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos without needing the longest possible stem. *I will say that the Roadini is weighted towards being a dropbar road bike with semi-quick steering geometry. It's not primarily designed for Billies and should have a smidge more tiller than, say, a Clem or Platy. Joe Bernard On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front like you find on all drop bar bikes?On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. I have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make things more steady?



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Re: [RBW] Panaracer GravelKing SK 700 x 50 tires

[Matthew Williams]

Sold!


> On Sep 9, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Stephen  wrote:
> 
> Sent ya an email
> 
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Bumping this again, dropping the price.
>> 
>> 2 Panaracer GravelKing SK tires, knobbies with black sidewalls
>> Very gently used with tubes
>> Nearly new, less than 100 miles and only ridden on asphalt and concrete
>> One tire had a punture, repaired with silicone.
>> 
>> $50 for the pair, or best offer.
>> Free shipping anywhere in the US of A
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Patrick Moore]

Someone should start a RBW-rider fashion plate collection.

I'm about to comment on bike clothing/fashion, and that makes me chuckle
because my 22-year-old daughter often jokes about"Dad fashions" -- I still
have baggy pleated khakis from the late 1980s or early '90s. OTOH, one of
my daughter's currently fashionable pair of shoes is a pair of Addias
Sambas.

I use my bike for getting to places and I don't like a baggy, untucked
appearance, so I've worked out cycling-comfortable clothing that is
sufficiently dignified for the mature rider (few things more contemptible
than old people in 20-something deshabille).

Warm weather: I found trim but non-constricting, straight-bottom "bush"
shirts made from synthetic wicking fabric and rear ventilation mesh and
flap that does not easily wrinkle on remainder at Kohl's (also available
elsewhere) in white taterstall-type check and pretty sky blue, and bought
half a dozen. For church I pair these with 1 of 2 pairs of very light REI
nylon pants in sage or sand with snaps for rolling up the legs to either
knicker- or [long] shorts-lengths -- or, on sub-70* mornings, before 40*
temp rise, tucking into socks. I bought a pair of Specialized black canvas
flat-bottomed SPD cycling shoes that forgo any technical or roadie
appearance -- one day hope God willing to replace these with better-looking
leather Dromartis -- that let me stand during 2-hour Slavic Orthodox
liturgies without undue foot pain. I wear lightweight black PI mid-calf
socks, very amusingly labled "R" and "L."

Winter is easy. I have 8 or so dress-quality Merino wool pullovers, crew or
faux-turtleneck or full turtleneck in heather browns, heather olives, dark
reds, heather grays, and black -- all from Goodwill. Over these I wear a
dark-sky-blue Leatt cycling jacket, light shell with light lining, to which
which I had armpit zippers added -- the best upper-body clothing
modification I've had done, and really useful on 20*F mornings when you
ride back at 50+*. If it's cold enough outbound I'll add a charcoal Ibex
mid-weight stretch wool vest with zip-up crew neck to which I had added a
snap-fasten neck cinch.

I pair these with either a pair of dark gray heather Osloh jeans (much
modified to make them fit, g-dammit, because the were cut for 2016 hipster
style and not cycling comfort; and I had tailor remove the stupidly useless
"chain pad" on inside right bottom leg and some of the pocket complications
while adding Velcro closure to the stupidly shallow and unprotected right
hip key pocket); or with black syntho Endura cycling pants, also heavily
modified from the original hipster waist, with legs pegged and ankle
zippers added; or -- the acme of cycling fashion -- a pair of medium gray
Nordstrom men's dress flannels tailored into cycling knickers with
wind-blocking lining sewn into the front and matchin-color outer wear
lining sewn into the seat.

Summer, dress or casual, I wear one of a much worn collection of stylish
retro cycling caps that Nashbar was blowing out -- all teams *at least* 50
years defunct (latest? Mercier/BP? I've got a Legnano and 2 Moltenis), this
collection augmented by a few remaining custom caps in old-fashioned
fabrics and a recent collection of Rivendell cycling caps in various
colors. In winter I have a well-used Walz wool cap with earflaps, a PI
synthetic ditto, and various knit and padded headgear for even colder
weather. Plush-lined leather surplus German polizei gauntlets from
wonderful government surplus remainderer and cold weather sporting gear
purveyor Verusteleka with a variety of wool and silk and nylon over- and
under-layers.

Winter is wool and wool wicks, insulates when wet, and never stinks. The
big defect of otherwise wonderfully Synthetic jerseys and shirt for hot
weather riding is the stink. Tips for minimizing this: first, start clean.
Secondly, as long as your wear has been riding and not standing around
socially, upon return home rinse top -- knit jersey, woven bus shirt -- in
1 gallon of water, lightly press out water, and hang-drip-dry. I can get 8
hours out of a cycling top that without this would stink after a half-hour
ride.

I tried 1 or 2 very nice Pendleton shirts, but the cut made them bind and
the collars chafed.

I'd like to find trim -- no g-damned flapping! (but not binding in
shoulders and armpits) -- bush shirts with ventilation flap in pure cotton,
rayon, or linen; anyone have suggestions?




On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 1:08 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> While I don’t consider myself the most stylish of dressers, what I wear
> daily is also what works for me well on the bike. I have never liked the
> idea of bike-specific clothing, so I’ve gravitated towards daily wear that
> also functions perfectly while riding. My bike friends have noted that I
> almost always wear some sort of button-up shirt, so I guess that is my
> “style”, for lack of a better word. In the summer, I prefer long-sleeve,
> roomy shirts that are lightweight and allow for venting or fla

Re: [RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Alex Wirth]

Hi Jim!!

Hope you’re well 🥰


On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 5:59 PM Jim Whorton 
wrote:

> I remember that Clementine, Alex!  Nice to see it again.
>
> Jim in Rochester
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:
>
>> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has since
>> moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is back in
>> the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍
>>
>> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[eddietheflay]

So Joe I understand the concept of tiller as in the olden days a did a 
couple of years on bents. My more specific question is if a bike has a 
shorter top tube which requires more stem length to "reach" proper reach, 
then does some of the tiller affect get reduced?

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:19:04 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow. All I can say is that the steering is not at all twitchy on either my 
> Clem or Gus, both with Bosco’s. Clem has a 135 stem, Gus 100. It has been a 
> long time since I rode drop bars but compared to my mtb’s with relatively 
> straight bars with short stems, the Riv’s under steer a little bit. But 
> other factors might be in play, geometry in particular.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 10, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Of course it might be worse on your current bike than any Rivendell. I 
> have an old/cheap Marin hybrid with Boscos and the nervous/tiller effect on 
> that one is kinda ridiculous, Rivs don't act like that. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots of 
>> upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference in 
>> steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call tiller 
>> effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos without 
>> needing the longest possible stem. 
>>
>> *I will say that the Roadini is weighted towards being a dropbar road 
>> bike with semi-quick steering geometry. It's not primarily designed for 
>> Billies and should have a smidge more tiller than, say, a Clem or Platy. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy 
>>> when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front like 
>>> you find on all drop bar bikes?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
 I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. 
 I have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting 
 myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall 
 adjustable 
 stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear 
 portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite 
 comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. 
 Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make things 
 more steady?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Return of the GOAT

[Jim Whorton]

Doing well, still have my Clem H that I got from you at Yellow Haus. 
 Passed by your old location on Monroe Ave today.  That was a great shop. 
 You guys won me over the first time I walked in, with a flat tire from my 
daughter’s cheapo walmart bike, and Dave fixed it on the spot and explained 
why he put talc inside.  
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:30:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:

> Hi Jim!!
>
> Hope you’re well 🥰
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 5:59 PM Jim Whorton  wrote:
>
>> I remember that Clementine, Alex!  Nice to see it again.
>>
>> Jim in Rochester
>>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:
>>
>>> My Dad was caretaking this beauty for the last couple years but has 
>>> since moved on to something with even lower step-through.  Clementine is 
>>> back in the stable!  The greatest commuter that ever was 😍
>>>
>>> [image: IMG-0506.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] First ride report from Western PA

[Patrick Moore]

I miss the pretty blue of the 2nd-gen Rambouillet. I shod mine with 1.35"
Kojaks under SKS fenders, but knowing then what I know now, I'd have
installed 38 mm+  RH extralights; what a fun firm-surface all-round bike
that would have been! I did something similar with RH 26C1.75" Naches
Passes on my custom Riv 26" wheel fixed gear.

What is that massive-stone corbeled arch neo-Mycenaen structure?

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 2:17 PM Chuck Walton  wrote:

> Greetings from Pittsburgh!
> New Rivendell owner exploring some local trails on a previously enjoyed
> Rambouillet.
> Still getting the fit dialed in, but I'm really enjoying the bike on a mix
> of paved/unpaved terrain.
>
> Thought I would share some images from three recent rides.
> Little Boston, Eliza Furnace, and Buffalo Creek
>
> Hopefully I've downsized these enough for easy viewing.
> See you out there,
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Garth]

Well Eddie there are cans of worms and then there are #10 can of worms , 
and this is a whole case of them ! 

First off, the amount of sensitivity in steering inputs, that feeling, 
largely depends on the design of the frame.  I've had two bike set up as 
identical as they can be with Albatross bars and 130mm stems, with similar 
frame reach(relatively long) and stack and all, but very different design 
otherwise,. My custom Franklin road bike has no tiller effect, I could 
stand and do dances but it's decidedly European road racing feel remained, 
albeit the higher bar height was disconcerting at times. Too high of 
gravity, despite my hands being near the curves all the time as I used bar 
end brake levers. It helps for sure in handling, but it was just the wrong 
application for the frame. That bike excels long and low with drop bars. 

The Bombadil on the other hand has a notable tiller effect which I'm fond 
of at all. I'm in the process of changing it to much lower drop bars for 
comfort reasons. That may lesson the tiller effect some, but it will still 
be there. Going long and low in drops is to me the most comfortable and 
best way for handing a bike. While I've never ridden a Riv road only bike, 
I highly doubt any Riv road bike would handle the way I prefer, the design 
philosophy of Grant doesn't vary that much. 

The bottom line is no bar is going to change a frame into something it's 
isn't. It's like a guitar, you can tune it in, or tune it out, but it's 
always the same guitar. 

This just scratches the surface anyways, as the placement of the rider in 
the frame in relation to the BB also alters one's perceptions of steering 
and everything else. Everything effects everything, in the story of cause 
and effect. Without the story... it doesn't. Yippie ! 

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:53:34 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:

> So Joe I understand the concept of tiller as in the olden days a did a 
> couple of years on bents. My more specific question is if a bike has a 
> shorter top tube which requires more stem length to "reach" proper reach, 
> then does some of the tiller affect get reduced?
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:19:04 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow. All I can say is that the steering is not at all twitchy on either 
>> my Clem or Gus, both with Bosco’s. Clem has a 135 stem, Gus 100. It has 
>> been a long time since I rode drop bars but compared to my mtb’s with 
>> relatively straight bars with short stems, the Riv’s under steer a little 
>> bit. But other factors might be in play, geometry in particular.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Of course it might be worse on your current bike than any Rivendell. I 
>> have an old/cheap Marin hybrid with Boscos and the nervous/tiller effect on 
>> that one is kinda ridiculous, Rivs don't act like that. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots 
>>> of upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference 
>>> in steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call 
>>> tiller effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos 
>>> without needing the longest possible stem. 
>>>
>>> *I will say that the Roadini is weighted towards being a dropbar road 
>>> bike with semi-quick steering geometry. It's not primarily designed for 
>>> Billies and should have a smidge more tiller than, say, a Clem or Platy. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
 I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy 
 when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front 
 like 
 you find on all drop bar bikes?

 On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

> I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be best. 
> I have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without hurting 
> myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall 
> adjustable 
> stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear 
> portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite 
> comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really twitchy. 
> Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike with a longer stem would make 
> things 
> more steady?

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Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Joe Bernard]

Garth opens up another can of worms with perception. Am I aware that 
there's a smidge of tiller effect on my custom and significantly more on 
Cheap Old Hybrid? Yes. Do I actually perceive this on rides? Nope. I like 
the bars and the bikes go and turn and stop and I haven't a care in the 
world, I ride them and it's fun. 

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:51:36 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Well Eddie there are cans of worms and then there are #10 can of worms , 
> and this is a whole case of them ! 
>
> First off, the amount of sensitivity in steering inputs, that feeling, 
> largely depends on the design of the frame.  I've had two bike set up as 
> identical as they can be with Albatross bars and 130mm stems, with similar 
> frame reach(relatively long) and stack and all, but very different design 
> otherwise,. My custom Franklin road bike has no tiller effect, I could 
> stand and do dances but it's decidedly European road racing feel remained, 
> albeit the higher bar height was disconcerting at times. Too high of 
> gravity, despite my hands being near the curves all the time as I used bar 
> end brake levers. It helps for sure in handling, but it was just the wrong 
> application for the frame. That bike excels long and low with drop bars. 
>
> The Bombadil on the other hand has a notable tiller effect which I'm fond 
> of at all. I'm in the process of changing it to much lower drop bars for 
> comfort reasons. That may lesson the tiller effect some, but it will still 
> be there. Going long and low in drops is to me the most comfortable and 
> best way for handing a bike. While I've never ridden a Riv road only bike, 
> I highly doubt any Riv road bike would handle the way I prefer, the design 
> philosophy of Grant doesn't vary that much. 
>
> The bottom line is no bar is going to change a frame into something it's 
> isn't. It's like a guitar, you can tune it in, or tune it out, but it's 
> always the same guitar. 
>
> This just scratches the surface anyways, as the placement of the rider in 
> the frame in relation to the BB also alters one's perceptions of steering 
> and everything else. Everything effects everything, in the story of cause 
> and effect. Without the story... it doesn't. Yippie ! 
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:53:34 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> So Joe I understand the concept of tiller as in the olden days a did a 
>> couple of years on bents. My more specific question is if a bike has a 
>> shorter top tube which requires more stem length to "reach" proper reach, 
>> then does some of the tiller affect get reduced?
>>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:19:04 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow. All I can say is that the steering is not at all twitchy on either 
>>> my Clem or Gus, both with Bosco’s. Clem has a 135 stem, Gus 100. It has 
>>> been a long time since I rode drop bars but compared to my mtb’s with 
>>> relatively straight bars with short stems, the Riv’s under steer a little 
>>> bit. But other factors might be in play, geometry in particular.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course it might be worse on your current bike than any Rivendell. I 
>>> have an old/cheap Marin hybrid with Boscos and the nervous/tiller effect on 
>>> that one is kinda ridiculous, Rivs don't act like that. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots 
 of upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference 
 in steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call 
 tiller effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos 
 without needing the longest possible stem. 

 *I will say that the Roadini is weighted towards being a dropbar road 
 bike with semi-quick steering geometry. It's not primarily designed for 
 Billies and should have a smidge more tiller than, say, a Clem or Platy. 

 Joe Bernard 
 On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

> I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be 
> twitchy when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in 
> front like you find on all drop bar bikes?
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> I am considering a Roadini and not sure if a 54 or a 57 would be 
>> best. I have always ridden the biggest bike I can stand over without 
>> hurting myself. My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall 
>> adjustable stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to 
>> both 
>> the rear portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems 
>> quite 
>> comfortable. But when steering from the grips things seem really 
>> twitchy. 
>> Wondering if a shorter top-tubed bike

[RBW] Sam Hillborne at Paris Brest Paris

[J]

Trying to convince myself to start riding brevet I've been taking in all 
the PBP 2023  suggestions from youtube the last few weeks and stumbled onto 
video of a rider who finished the event on a double top tube Sam Hillborne. 
Not a lot of footage of the bike in PBP vid but having a look at his other 
videos, it appears to be his bike of choice.

 For anyone who like me, just likes to watch people going on bike rides. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33b4wPQXKkU&t=5004s&ab_channel=SeanKeesler

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