[RBW] 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[velomann]

The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.

This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I won't 
be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be there for 
a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.

Anyone else here doing the ride?

Mike M

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[P W]

If the colour choices are compelling, it may well be my first ever brand new bike.Although I’m also kinda hoping someone else gets one in my size and has buyers remorse a few months later!Which strangely seems to happen around here quite frequently.It sounds like a pretty great and practical bike for a decent swath of Los Angeles riding.And I have a ton of stuff already in the bins to throw at it…P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jan 8, 2024, at 6:51 PM, velomann  wrote:When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires courtesy of cantilever mounts.The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single speed Lightning Bolt.But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for. But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push back against my inner purist ;-)Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.Mike MOn Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.  One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some corrosion visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake, grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55 shipped for the 556s.Photos:556https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/365https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference to it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.



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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Bill Lindsay]

The Crust Single Speed Lightning Bolt is also less than half the price of a 
Roaduno.  Get one of each!  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 6:51:21 PM UTC-8 velomann wrote:

> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty 
> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single 
> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires 
> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>
> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being 
> designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal 
> interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase 
> ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the 
> whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>
> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single speed 
> Lightning Bolt.
> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position 
> some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for. 
> But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear 
> and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push 
> back against my inner purist ;-)
> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube model 
>> (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, Homer)? The 
>> front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me think a long 
>> top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your 
>>> own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of 
>>> long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell. 
>>>  One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and 
>>> geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks 
>>> and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some corrosion 
>>> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is 
>>> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal 
>>> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point 
>>> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake, 
>>> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake 
>>> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55 
>>> shipped for the 556s.
>>>
>>> Photos:
>>>
>>> 556
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> 365
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
 bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference 
 to 
 it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[velomann]

When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty stoked 
about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single speed 
with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires courtesy 
of cantilever mounts.

The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being 
designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal 
interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase 
""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the 
whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.

I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single speed 
Lightning Bolt.
But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position 
some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for. 
But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear 
and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push 
back against my inner purist ;-)
Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.

Mike M



On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:

>
> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube model 
> (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, Homer)? The 
> front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me think a long 
> top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your 
>> own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of 
>> long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell. 
>>  One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and 
>> geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks 
>> and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some corrosion 
>> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is 
>> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal 
>> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point 
>> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake, 
>> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake 
>> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55 
>> shipped for the 556s.
>>
>> Photos:
>>
>> 556
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>
>> 365
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
>>> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference to 
>>> it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Donzaemon]

So I'm about a couple weeks into owning my Homer, which I'm loving so far. 
Its use has been limited to pavement save for a short segment of dirt trail 
that connects official segments of SF Bay Trail in Alameda, CA. I've made a 
couple of observations so far:

*Cockpit*
I enjoy the relaxed upright position that the Billie Bars provide. It's 
done wonders keeping me comfortable and has not made any of my existing 
neck and lower back issues worse. That said, it feels a little awkward to 
make u-turns or any other decent turns at lower speed. While I don't intend 
on taking this bike on the many singletrack trails that make up a large 
portion of the natural surface trails in the SF Bay, I would like to take 
it on gravel climbs when and if possible. I realize I can use the positions 
directly in front of the brake levers on the Billie Bars, but I'm not sure 
if that'll provide the lever control that I'm looking for. 

I'm thinking about switching to wide-ish drop bars with some flare. I'm 
using Ritchey Corralitos (480mm) bars on my Ascent and I love them. I'd get 
a pair for the Homer if they were available in silver. I'm intrigued by the 
Crust Towel Rack, but I'm afraid they'd be a little on the wide side for 
me. Rune Bicycles is on the verge of releasing their Hilt Bars that hits 
pretty much all my checkboxes so I may opt for those when they're released. 
For those of you who do similar mixed-terrain rides with your Homers, what 
are your handlebar preference, and why?

*Drivetrain*
For my first build, I went with a 42/28 double with a 11-40 8sp cassette. 
I'm controlling the derailleurs (ultegra front and xtr rd-m960 rear with 
roadlink) with thumbies and love them. That said, shifting hasn't been what 
I had hoped. I find the shifts to be sloppy when shifting the range of cogs 
in the middle of the cassette. I'm not sure if I'm describing this 
correctly, but the gears sometimes slip during shifting resulting in two 
"clunks" before fully engaging. Also, the gears don't feel smooth between 
the middle to smallest cogs. Could this be due to the roadlink? I like the 
range of the 11-40 cassette and it's been nice using the big cog on climbs 
when needed so I'd prefer not to get rid of the roadlink and switch to an 
11-34 cassette. I have an XTR RD-M952 I can try out instead? For those of 
you with similar gearing, what components have you settled on to get 
flawless shifting?

Thanks, in advance, for the feedback!

-Don
On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:12:11 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill, I will be keeping an eye out for you on Mt. Diablo so I can give you 
> a thumbs up when you pass me! 
>
> Sarah
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> A couple weeks back I said:
>>
>> "The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
>> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
>> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
>> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
>> will be on a derailleurless bike."
>>
>> When I state a goal, I feel committed, even if the RBW Group isn't 
>> expending energy to hold me accountable, there is accountability when I 
>> type it out.  Anyhow, I got a start on the above today with my first summit 
>> of Mount Diablo for 2024.  I did it on my current stripped down road bike, 
>> my Black Mountain Cycles Road.  I picked today to avoid the pockets of rain 
>> that are hitting us with some regularity.  It was sunny and cool, but not 
>> cold.  One down, four to go.  Highlights included a rider on a 2TT 
>> Hillborne with Albatross bars.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Therese is a delightful person and a very good rider.  I used to run 
>>> across her a lot in the East Bay and at SFR events, but I don't think our 
>>> paths have crossed lately.  
>>>
>>> She's also a fair bit more enlightened about gearing than the filmmaker. 
>>>  Her set up isn't perfect, but it's close (IMHO).  
>>>
>>> The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
>>> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
>>> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
>>> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
>>> will be on a derailleurless bike.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2-hdvGWjU&ab_channel=Henrywildeberry

 I found a youtube video that is exactly how I want to ride 

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:04:42 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:

> All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate 
> all the help. Thank you!
>
> On Thursday, November 

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats to you and your wife! Thats a killer color too! We shall all 
demand photos when it arrives.

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:04:02 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have Rivets! I would love to try the Loveland but only have the Sonora. 
> It’s really great. Mount it level. For some reason the Brooks need a little 
> nose-up, but the Rivets like to be flat.
> Leah
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 7:54 PM, SeanMac  wrote:
>
> Hey everyone.  Wanted to take a moment to close the loop on this 
> conversation.  Earlier today, after much discussion, my wife and I ordered 
> a Platypus!  She snagged a web special - 50 cm in Sergio Green with a 
> triple crank and a Billie Bar.  She [we] nearly pulled the trigger on a 
> purple complete.  However, for a few hundred extra dollars the build put 
> together by Antonio seems to be the smarter purchase.  
>
>
> All that is left to do now is order a saddle.  I am going to measure the 
> width of a saddle that she has the she likes and decide where to go from 
> there.  Most likely will be a Brooks (B-17 or B-68) or a Rivet (Loveland).  
> Any thoughts?  I've tried a few Brooks, and currently have a B-17 on my 
> Cheviot and a Berthoud Aspin on my Black Mountain Cycles Road Bike.  I've 
> read a few good comments about Rivet, but never seen or ridden on one 
> myself.
>
> Thanks you all for your suggestions.  They all helped with the 
> decision-making process.
>
> Sean
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 4:09:09 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I 
>> cannot see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.
>>
>> My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell 
>>> and live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
>>> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
>>> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
 hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want 
 to 
 spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
 personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
 RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
 matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
 the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended 
> mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few 
> hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to 
> dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to 
> look at every day. 
>
> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to 
> it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it 
> very 
> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>
> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are 
> agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're 
> fine. 
>
> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>
>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better 
>> fit for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s 
>> the sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in 
>> question doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want 
>> to 
>> blow the budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his 
>> wife 
>> might fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete 
>> is 
>> a great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, 
>> let 
>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>> parts she wants later. 
>>
>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she 
>> can hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make 
>> us 
>> fall in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Donzaemon]

Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of 
> steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, 
> Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track 
> with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky 
> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I 
> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the 
> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>
> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South 
> Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez. 
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of 
>> people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try 
>> out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles 
>> on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.
>>
>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
>> getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>>
>>
>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let 
>> us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I 
>> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
>> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>>
>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
>> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
>> anyday! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>>
>>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>>
>>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.
>>>
>>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through 
>>> the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is 
>>> never a bad time.
>>>
>>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
>>> track and fire roads.
>>>
>>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be 
>>> inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by 
>>> Rivendells, despite not owning one. 
>>>
>>> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. 
>>> I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the 
>>> east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be 
>>> great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick 
>>> their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
>>>
>>> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 
>>>
>>> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then 
>>> too :). 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got 
 my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join 
 a 
 ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). 
 Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider 
 and 
 with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.

 On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Hey folks,
> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
> during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a 
> fun, super causal ride.
>
> Sunday the 11th 
> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
> Saturday the 17th
>
> What do you think?
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
>> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
>> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely! 
>>> I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
>>> I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to 
>>> the mix this next time too.
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now 
 and then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off. 

Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Neale Stokes]

The sports complex singletrack isn’t wildly technical, and there’s at least one 
alternate way down (gravel/paved road from the shooting range) that ends at the 
same point at the actual Glendale sports complex - that could be an alternate 
route. I like the sound of 20-30 miles with some dirt and pavement, but above 
all would like to make sure everyone that’s interested is comfortable and has a 
good time!

> On Jan 8, 2024, at 5:03 PM, Heike Larson  wrote:
> 
> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of steep 
> or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, Riv-friendly 
> single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track with my 
> mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky parts, and I 
> haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I know the bike can 
> do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the path and plan you 
> suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
> 
> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South 
> Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez. 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  > wrote:
>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of 
>> people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try 
>> out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles 
>> on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.
>> 
>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of getting 
>> more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>> 
>> 
>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let us 
>> know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I think it 
>> would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't speak for 
>> others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>> 
>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had mentioned 
>> Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer anyday! 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>> 
>>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>> 
>>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.
>>> 
>>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through 
>>> the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is 
>>> never a bad time.
>>> 
>>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single track 
>>> and fire roads.
>>> 
>>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>> 
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207 
>>> ~
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian > 
 wrote:
 
 
>>> 
 Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be 
 inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by 
 Rivendells, despite not owning one.
 
 Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. 
 I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on 
 the east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park 
 could be great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez 
 LA and pick their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
 
 What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 
 
 Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then 
 too :).
 
 On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com <> 
 wrote:
> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my 
> Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a 
> ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). 
> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider 
> and with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
> 
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>> Hey folks,
>> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
>> during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for 
>> a fun, super causal ride.
>> 
>> Sunday the 11th 
>> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
>> Saturday the 17th
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>>> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
>>> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
>>> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh > 
>>> wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Heike Larson]

I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of steep
or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, Riv-friendly
single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track with my
mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky parts, and I
haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I know the bike
can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the path and plan
you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!

How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South
Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  wrote:

> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of
> people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try
> out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles
> on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.
>
> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of getting
> more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>
>
> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let
> us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I
> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't
> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>
> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had
> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer
> anyday!
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>
>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>
>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.
>>
>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through
>> the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is
>> never a bad time.
>>
>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single
>> track and fire roads.
>>
>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be
>> inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by
>> Rivendells, despite not owning one.
>>
>> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups.
>> I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the
>> east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be
>> great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick
>> their brain some, especially if Kyle is there.
>>
>> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride?
>>
>> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then
>> too :).
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my
>>> Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a
>>> ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting).
>>> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider and
>>> with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 Hey folks,
 Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town
 during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a
 fun, super causal ride.

 Sunday the 11th
 Monday the 12th (state holiday)
 Saturday the 17th

 What do you think?

 On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com
 wrote:

> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the
> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks
> again to Houston and everyone who came out.
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh 
> wrote:
>
>> Definitely!
>> I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
>> I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to
>> the mix this next time too.
>> k.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now
>>> and then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:13 PM Tony Lockhart 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anybody available for a group ride in July?

 @Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
 On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:

> This was a great time, th

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[SeanMac]

Hey everyone.  Wanted to take a moment to close the loop on this 
conversation.  Earlier today, after much discussion, my wife and I ordered 
a Platypus!  She snagged a web special - 50 cm in Sergio Green with a 
triple crank and a Billie Bar.  She [we] nearly pulled the trigger on a 
purple complete.  However, for a few hundred extra dollars the build put 
together by Antonio seems to be the smarter purchase.  

All that is left to do now is order a saddle.  I am going to measure the 
width of a saddle that she has the she likes and decide where to go from 
there.  Most likely will be a Brooks (B-17 or B-68) or a Rivet (Loveland).  
Any thoughts?  I've tried a few Brooks, and currently have a B-17 on my 
Cheviot and a Berthoud Aspin on my Black Mountain Cycles Road Bike.  I've 
read a few good comments about Rivet, but never seen or ridden on one 
myself.

Thanks you all for your suggestions.  They all helped with the 
decision-making process.

Sean

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 4:09:09 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I cannot 
> see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.
>
> My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell 
>> and live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
>> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
>> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
>>> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
>>> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
>>> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
>>> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
>>> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
>>> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended 
 mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few 
 hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to 
 dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to 
 look at every day. 

 From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to 
 it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it 
 very 
 well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 

 Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are 
 agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're 
 fine. 

 The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
 only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
 plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 




 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
> again because my name got mentioned.
>
>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better 
> fit for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s 
> the sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in 
> question doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to 
> blow the budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his 
> wife 
> might fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete 
> is 
> a great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, 
> let 
> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
> parts she wants later. 
>
> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she 
> can hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us 
> fall in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>
>>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>>> thing I just made up
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
 immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most 
>>>

[RBW] sRe: FS: Rockgeist Boxy Randonneur bag - one of a kind

[lukeheller]

still available

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 1:31:28 PM UTC-4 lukeheller wrote:

> A local bag maker, https://rockgeist.com/, made this for my sister for 
> PBP2019 and she never used it. It's got a VO decaleur attached and it's 
> ready to roll.
>
> Rockgeist is a very well known and respected custom frame bag company 
> local to Asheville.
> They routinely have waitlists. 
> They have only ever made 2 of these boxy randonneurs bags... this one and 
> the one I use that is much taller. So this is 2 of a kind except mine 
> is taller.
>
> I asked them to copy my old Swift bag with a couple changes such as:
> -elastic on the inside (typical on current models)
> -plastic buckles because the stainless buckles DO RUST
> -an expandable side pocket on the right side.
> -all XPAC material
>
> The pink liner is helpful to brighten things up a bit when looking into 
> the abyss of your bag.
>
> I've been using mine for 10,000+ miles and it continues to be an amazing 
> bag.
> They only wear spots are at the tombstone and a few rub spots on the 
> underside which i'll get around to covering with a patch one day. 
>
> PICS: https://photos.app.goo.gl/rxxH71eyZujR4mfDA
>
> Dimensions are:
> 10.25" wide
> 7.25" deep
> 7.75" tall
>
> The bag is in new condition only with the derailleur attached.
> Asking $250 total for the bag + shipping
> Get it in time for PBP.
> Please message me directly if interested.
> Luke
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[galen....@gmail.com]

Hi all, 
I'd like to join an LA Riv Ride. I'm on the westside, near Keith P. but I 
could bike, metro or drive to a starting point further east.
Looks like things are trending toward the 17th. I unfortunately can't make 
it that day—enjoy the ride. 
If there's a pivot to the 11th/12th I could ride. Or maybe see some of you 
at the crash the marathon ride March 16?

Galen

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:09:36 PM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of 
> people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try 
> out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles 
> on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.
>
> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of getting 
> more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>
>
> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let 
> us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I 
> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>
> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
> anyday! 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>
>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>
>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.
>>
>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through 
>> the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is 
>> never a bad time.
>>
>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
>> track and fire roads.
>>
>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be 
>> inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by 
>> Rivendells, despite not owning one. 
>>
>> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. 
>> I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the 
>> east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be 
>> great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick 
>> their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
>>
>> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 
>>
>> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then 
>> too :). 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my 
>>> Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a 
>>> ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). 
>>> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider and 
>>> with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 Hey folks,
 Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
 during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a 
 fun, super causal ride.

 Sunday the 11th 
 Monday the 12th (state holiday)
 Saturday the 17th

 What do you think?

 On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh  
> wrote:
>
>> Definitely! 
>> I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
>> I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to 
>> the mix this next time too.
>> k.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now 
>>> and then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:13 PM Tony Lockhart  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anybody available for a group ride in July? 

 @Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
 On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:

> This was a great time, thanks for putting it together, Houston. 
> Really nice meeting everyone!
>
> Neale
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Maggie Zhou]

I have contemplated selling my 50cm roadini that has a modern brifter build 
(all Shimano 105). It's the first production batch circa 2017, so only has 
spacing for ~35s, and I've personally never succeeding at running larger 
than 28s with fenders + 105 mid reach brakes. It kinda sounds like this 
wouldn't fit your desires anyway, since you want to run wider tires. Email 
me directly if you want to talk? I haven't really thought about 
pricing...it has felt a little extravagant to sell to just turn around and 
buy a new Roadini for the wider tires.

 I don't keep good track of my rides, but I have at least 10k miles on it. 
It's a great bike, and I can't imagine wanting anything different if I 
wanted a fast steel road bike. 
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 1:22:36 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh shoot, I didn't realize the Crust was 650b in smaller sizes. Velo 
> Orange Rando frameset  
> is the only other production road frame that comes to mind, but I haven't 
> read/heard much about it's ride quality. The modular dropouts are a really 
> neat idea though. 
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> As I wrote earlier and it looks like Ron is going in this direction:
>>
>> " I'd like to see a Columbus Spirit tubed frameset just like the 
>> Malocchio with tigs, slanted top tube, threaded fork, and a nice powder 
>> coat at a reasonable price. Kinda like a BMW 2002 from the olden days." I'd 
>> want threaded fork cuz I need the rise offered by long quill stems.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:27:46 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> A Riv may not be the bike for me this time.. I'm also considering a 
>>> Litespeed Arenberg (the new one, seems like some good numbers) or maybe 
>>> even splash out on a custom Fitz or Sycip here in Sonoma County.. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-8 Chris Fly wrote:
>>>
 the issue with the Crust for me is the three smallest sizes seem to be 
 650b and I don't really want a 650b bike.. plus the brake thing might bug 
 me if I did want to run larger tires in the future.. thanks Eddie! 

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:38:49 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:

> I have the same brakes front and rear and there is no issue with 35mm 
> tires. The OP wants a quick road bike so he'd  be fine too.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:21:46 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The big minus behind the crust is that they messed up the 
>> manufacturing so it takes different brakes front and rear which is 
>> bizarre. 
>> Even more bizarre is that it requires smaller tires on the back than on 
>> the 
>> front. Unless you pay to have someone move the brake bridge (and then do 
>> the repaint) that kind of stuff would always be nagging at the back of 
>> my 
>> mind and cause me not to enjoy the bike.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:14 PM eddietheflay  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent 
>>> clearance. Some things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that 
>>> most 
>>> Rivs are and without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put 
>>> some 
>>> blocks on my pedals and you could try it.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one 
 reason you like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit 
 in 
 my travel bike box.

 On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  
 wrote:

> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike 
> purchased from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to 
> Napa. I 
> wanted a RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was 
> (perhaps like 
> you), hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had 
> previously 
> visited HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the 
> cusp 
> between 54 and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later 
> concluded 
> that I should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 
> in 
> "Old Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire 
> size 
> that the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I 
> considered 
> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized 
> that I 
> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first 
> place.  
> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  
> it 
> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up 
> locally, 
> and then buil

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Clem Smith Jr L 45

[Carlos Quinteros Jr]

Thanks everyone! 
I have a bike lined up to view in person later this week. If for some 
reason that doesn't work out I'll have plenty of options here.

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:27:01 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

> @Chung Eun Kim -
>
> You are more than welcome. 
> As far as my interest in your 45cm Clem, I am very content about my 52cm 
> Clem Smith Jr. "L" in blue also.
>
> My best hope and wishes are that you find a buyer for your bike soon.
> Kim.
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 10:59 PM Chung Eun Kim  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing the post. I have 45cm in Riv blue from the early last 
>> year batch.
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/220717641081922/?rid=6952372144853343&ad_id&rt=1&refID=0&refType=0&referral_code=commerce_attachment
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7695219731.html
>>
>> I'm located in NorCal. Let me know if you're interested.
>>
>> Chung
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:06:03 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure the orange one is 26" wheels and the blue is...650b?
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 17:43, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  and there is this one from the San Francisco Bay Area:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/220717641081922/?rid=6952372144853343&ad_id&rt=1&refID=0&refType=0&referral_code=commerce_attachment
>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:59:28 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 This has been on Sacramento CL a long time
 [image: 00r0r_lHX4XLN3OjK_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]

 Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - 
 craigslist 
 
 sfbay.craigslist.org 
 

 



 On Jan 6, 2024, at 11:35, maxcr  wrote:

 


 Not a frameset but worth it!
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/45cm-clem-limeolive-web-special
 On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 1:11:59 PM UTC-6 Carlos Quinteros Jr 
 wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Looking for a Clem L 45cm frameset. If anyone has one they are wanting 
> to part with or knows of one for sale send them my way please.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Carlos
> LA
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[CMR]

Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube model 
(e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, Homer)? The 
front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me think a long 
top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!



On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your own, 
> one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of long 
> reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.  One is 
> the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and geometry 
> of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks and a 
> primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some corrosion 
> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is 
> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal 
> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point 
> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake, 
> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake 
> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55 
> shipped for the 556s.
>
> Photos:
>
> 556
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/
>
> 365
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
>> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference to 
>> it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Josh C]

Leah - She was pleased with the color in person. She wasn’t sure she’d like 
it as much as she does. She seems to like it. She did not grow up riding 
bikes and has only really started riding over the last few years. She 
doesn’t ride solo or for the sport of it, but more to go around town with 
our daughter and me. We will do a family ride every so often and she does 
well on those up to about 15 miles or so. I’m hoping this bike will get her 
out a bit more. She’s been riding a titanium cross bike made by Independent 
Fab that has been put together with a midgrade Sram MTB groupset and it's 
only sporting 32mm tires. She was nervous to try the Rivendell bars, feared 
it’d make the front end twitchy but says she likes them. We’ve been out a 
few times for errands and food/drinks. Ordered a few more bits to get it 
setup just right. 


Ryan - Thanks, I forgot to take a picture until after all of the presents 
were already opened. I should have snapped one right off. 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Nice presentalso I love your Christmas tree! 
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:30:04 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Josh, how wonderful! I’m so happy for her. What did she think when she 
>> saw? Has she been out riding?
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
>>> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
>>> Christmas. 
>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
 its way to you!

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a 
> new 
> frame... 🤔
>
> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>> wife’s in time! 
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
>> put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All 
>>> you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting 
>>> for 
>>> wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and 
>>> ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 
>>> and 
>>> crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, 
>>> etc, 
>>> so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue 
>>> Sam 
>>> 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will 
>>> likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m 
>>> in 
>>> NC.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
 green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 

 (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
 taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom 
 was 
 born there and I love to visit!)

 S.

 On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
 wrote:

> Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans 
> during the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade 
> floats 
> are in those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.
>
> Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>
> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had 
> several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned 
> several 
> times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some 
> purple 
> Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the 
> green 
> instead of two different purples. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Ryan]

Nice presentalso I love your Christmas tree! 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:30:04 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Josh, how wonderful! I’m so happy for her. What did she think when she 
> saw? Has she been out riding?
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
>> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
>> Christmas. 
>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
>>> its way to you!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
 other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
 frame... 🤔

 Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
> wife’s in time! 
>
> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
> put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
>> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
>> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels 
>> to 
>> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic 
>> coating 
>> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
>> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it 
>> will 
>> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 
>> (caliper 
>> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
>> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>>
>>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
>>> taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was 
>>> born there and I love to visit!)
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during 
 the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats 
 are in 
 those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.

 Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
 Berkeley, CA

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:


 I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had 
 several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned 
 several 
 times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some 
 purple 
 Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the 
 green 
 instead of two different purples. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Josh, how wonderful! I’m so happy for her. What did she think when she saw? 
Has she been out riding?

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
> Christmas. 
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
>> its way to you!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
>>> other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
>>> frame... 🤔
>>>
>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
 wife’s in time! 

 On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:

 I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
 put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 



 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:

> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels 
> to 
> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic 
> coating 
> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it 
> will 
> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 
> (caliper 
> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
> wrote:
>
>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>
>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the taste 
>> of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was born 
>> there and I love to visit!)
>>
>> S.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during 
>>> the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats are 
>>> in 
>>> those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.
>>>
>>> Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had 
>>> several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned 
>>> several 
>>> times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple 
>>> Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the 
>>> green 
>>> instead of two different purples. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Bill Lindsay]

For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your own, 
one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of long 
reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.  One is 
the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and geometry 
of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks and a 
primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some corrosion 
visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is 
the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal 
pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point 
he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake, 
grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake 
and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55 
shipped for the 556s.

Photos:

556
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/

365
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference to 
> it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Edwin W]

I heard from Riv HQ that they will come as frames ($1750 like other lugged 
frames) and completes (price and build list not released yet). 

Looking forward to seeing the colors and build list!

Edwin



On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:06:52 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, the indication was a small adjustment but still long. I am guessing 
> they will be shortened less than the length of the dropout slot. As a Clem 
> & Gus owner the long stays are the main attraction of this particular 
> single speed. That and it being fully lugged. I cannot answer the question 
> of when are they too long but I think Riv figured out the sweet spot on 
> their current models. Your results may vary.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 8:51 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I too saw that they are planning to shorten the chainstays on the 
> production Roaduno. At what point are the stays too long and how does too 
> long affect ride quality?
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:10:07 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:32:33 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
>> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically.  
>>
>>
>> It's hard to keep up with changes, and I think we just need to wait until 
>> the end to know for sure what it'll be.  After that "just like a Homer" 
>> update, it seemed to get really long chainstays - much longer than the 
>> Homer.   Buy now they do say they're going to get shorter again.  
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

[D D]

Of course!  There it is as soon as I hit send. On Jan 8, 2024, at 1:43 PM, D D  wrote:Hi, Joe. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t get an attachment with prices. Try again?  Dyno curious Dustin in VAOn Jan 8, 2024, at 1:35 PM, 'joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:UpdateThe ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. I’ll attach a pic of the price list.ThanksJoeOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:HelloI have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and customized it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made that is a 5sp 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with velocity twin hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville small, fenders, campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem with albatross bars, nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino crank with mkx pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters and cheapy derailers.$1750 oboThanksJoe



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

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Hi, Joe. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t get an attachment with prices. Try again?  Dyno curious Dustin in VAOn Jan 8, 2024, at 1:35 PM, 'joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:UpdateThe ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. I’ll attach a pic of the price list.ThanksJoeOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:HelloI have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and customized it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made that is a 5sp 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with velocity twin hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville small, fenders, campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem with albatross bars, nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino crank with mkx pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters and cheapy derailers.$1750 oboThanksJoe



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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Update
The ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, post and 
the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
Thanks
Joe

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Hello
> I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and customized 
> it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made that is a 5sp 
> 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with velocity twin 
> hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville small, fenders, 
> campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem with albatross bars, 
> nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino crank with mkx 
> pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters and cheapy 
> derailers.
> $1750 obo
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

All bikes have the same effective sta: the 1999 and the Matthews #2 clone
both have 73* stas, and the Matthews #1 has the saddle forward on the rails
to compensate for the 72* sta. I start setup with saddle height and setback
wrt the bb centerline -- pretty close to identical for all my bikes -- and
use the saddle to gauge bar and brake lever position.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 2:49 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners
Bunch  wrote:

> Patrick
>
> Maybe this was asked/answered, but is the STA or saddle setback the same
> on Ford Blue as the others??   Are you in a different position??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:35:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question
>> that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again
>> as always in getting on for 25 years of ownership that *it's just easier
>> to maintain speed and cadence in given conditions in given gears,* this
>> both on the flats and on hills. I remember being struck by this, again at
>> the start of each ride on it, in the first years of ownership.
>>
>> Tires make a difference, tho' it felt this way with 571 X 23 mm Conti
>> Grands Prix and Michelin Pro Races and with 559 X 23 mm Specialized Turbos;
>> with the slightly wider (27.19 mm rear at 60 psi and 27.49 mm front at 55
>> psi on my 19 mm OW rims) and even lighter and more supple Elk Passes it
>> feels even faster and *smoother.*
>>
>> BTW, I wholly discountenance the opinion that harshness or vibration
>> makes riders think they're going fast. At least, perhaps some people do
>> that, but I've always associated harshness with slowness and smoothness
>> with speed. But again, the '99 has always felt *smooth* and *fast.*
>>
>> What provoked this perennial question was my very pleasant mid-afternoon
>> ride today. My route included about 1 mile of steep hill starting at
>> Broadway and, feeling tired and sluggish and being old I considered
>> swapping the Phil 17/19Dingle wheel (76" and 68") with the SA TF wheel (76"
>> and 57" underdrive), but didn't want the bother and decided I'd just walk
>> if necessary.
>>
>> I did plan to move the chain to the 19 t/68" gear once I got downtown,
>> but didn't do this, either. Winds variable up to about 7-8 mph.
>>
>> I took it easy but found myself following some youngster on a thin-tire
>> 700C derailleur hybrid for about 8 miles; I finally caught up to him at the
>> first light on Coal and followed him up the climb. I think he was a UNM
>> student and at least 45 years younger than I, and he put a few yards on me
>> up the hill spinning in a low gear but I was surprised once again (this is
>> the point, don't mind my meandering) at *how well and easily* the bike
>> climbs.
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Planing? The frame is not as over-beefy as the 2003 Goodrich custom but
>> it's not as light and certainly has fatter tubes than the wonderful
>> thinwall 531 normal gauge 2020 Matthews replacement of the 2003.
>>
>> Weight? With the Phil it's right at 18 lb without bottle or bag versus
>> ~28 for the Matthews road with F+R racks, fenders, lights, and SA 3 speed
>> hub, and versus the 30-31 lb of the Matthews road-bike-for-dirt with 2X10
>> derailleur drivetrain, 50 mm tires, 2X gauge fenders, dynamo lighting, and
>> rear rack. But it feels fast on the flats at steady-state cruising. I
>> daresay that the weight makes a difference on hills, but I *don't* think
>> that weight is the only reason.
>>
>> I know that some bikes just fit and feel "perfect," and this is one of
>> them (tho' the 2 Matthewses fit just about the same since I built them up
>> to do so). That old Herse was a tank that 2 earlier owners sold for cheap
>> but for me it rode "fast" if not as fast as the 1999 Joe Starck.
>>
>> To end this meandering: since so much of my riding is either errands
>> requiring bags or dirt requiring fat tires the 1999 gets ridden less than
>> it otherwise would, but if I had to get ride of all bikes but one, I'd
>> happily keep this and build 1 or 2 alternative wheelsets (geared/skinny,
>> geared/fattish) and buy a bit selection of strap-on saddlebags from repair
>> kit only to Sackville Medium.
>>
>> I've owned 5 Rivendells including 3 customs and this one is the last
>> (tho' the 2020 Matthews is a copy of the 2003).
>>
>> Sorry, can't resist posting again:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>> --
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
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>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain maintenance / life

[Kim H.]

.. I should say with the Phil Wood BB I installed on my old road bike in a 
singular tense, not plural.

Kim.

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 9:50:59 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

I have had no complaints with Dr. Phil Phil Wood, that is, and their 
sealed bottom brackets with thousands of miles on my old road bike that I 
installed in the early 1970's.  If my Clem BB needed replacing, I would 
consider buying a Phil Wood BB. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 7:17:31 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

Tange for me - fits the budget and quality criteria.  SKF are very nice.  
People also like Omniracer.  This debate just went down on the iBob list.

Will

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 10:12 AM Richard Rose  wrote:

Mine is the un300. I’ve just removed it & it is noticeably smoother off the 
bike. It’s not “crunchy” & had no side to side play when installed. So 
maybe it’s not toast yet but it’s out now so…
I am honestly considering the traditional cup/cone one Riv sells. The 
installation does not bother me - I used to do it on my bikes from the 
‘70’s. Also intrigued by the Stronglight ones Peter White sells.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2024, at 12:19 AM, Collin A  wrote:

Everyone has a rule of thumb, but this is mine - replace chain at whatever 
wear indicator is appropriate for the chain speed (9 is about 0.75% wear, 
10/11 is 0.5% wear). An 11 speed chain for me lasts about 6000-8000 miles 
of pretty nasty conditions with proper waxing and cleaning. My 9 speeds 
last less but those are the ones on the tourer/commuter/rafter bike. 
Funnily enough, the chainrings that came on my clem wore out pretty 
quickly, no idea why though. The 7075 alu rings seem to last much longer.

As for other drivetrain  parts, I change my cassette after I've gone 
through 3 chains, and I change my chainrings after I've gone through 2 
cassettes. Of my oldest drivetrain currently in use (about 5 years now), 
I've only just had to replace the cassette once, so I should be good to go 
on my chainrings for another 5 years, woo!

As for BB, no need to replace until they get crunchy, it isn't too hard to 
switch out a cartridge BB. Especially since the venerable Un55 BB that I 
assume your clem has is no longer in production and the Un300 are kinda 
"meh" in comparison.

Cheers,
Collin "hold on and let me measure" in Berkeley

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:18:54 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

I am two years and 7300 miles in on my Clem. Chain measure tool indicates I 
need a new chain & 38t large chainring on the Silver crank has some 
"sharkfining" evident. New chain and chainring will arrive in a few days. 
Small ring and cassette look good. What sort of mileage do folks usually 
expect out of these components? While I am at it, bike is apart and 
standard Shimano cartridge bottom bracket does not exactly feel smooth. It 
did feel smooth spinning when crank was still installed & there is no play 
evident. Riv suggests these bottom brackets might be good for 15,000 miles? 
I do not want to needlessly replace it but the bike is apart so..?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain maintenance / life

[Kim H.]

I have had no complaints with Dr. Phil Phil Wood, that is, and their 
sealed bottom brackets with thousands of miles on my old road bike that I 
installed in the early 1970's.  If my Clem BB needed replacing, I would 
consider buying a Phil Wood BB. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 7:17:31 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tange for me - fits the budget and quality criteria.  SKF are very nice.  
> People also like Omniracer.  This debate just went down on the iBob list.
>
> Will
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 10:12 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Mine is the un300. I’ve just removed it & it is noticeably smoother off 
>> the bike. It’s not “crunchy” & had no side to side play when installed. So 
>> maybe it’s not toast yet but it’s out now so…
>> I am honestly considering the traditional cup/cone one Riv sells. The 
>> installation does not bother me - I used to do it on my bikes from the 
>> ‘70’s. Also intrigued by the Stronglight ones Peter White sells.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2024, at 12:19 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> Everyone has a rule of thumb, but this is mine - replace chain at 
>> whatever wear indicator is appropriate for the chain speed (9 is about 
>> 0.75% wear, 10/11 is 0.5% wear). An 11 speed chain for me lasts about 
>> 6000-8000 miles of pretty nasty conditions with proper waxing and cleaning. 
>> My 9 speeds last less but those are the ones on the tourer/commuter/rafter 
>> bike. Funnily enough, the chainrings that came on my clem wore out pretty 
>> quickly, no idea why though. The 7075 alu rings seem to last much longer.
>>
>> As for other drivetrain  parts, I change my cassette after I've gone 
>> through 3 chains, and I change my chainrings after I've gone through 2 
>> cassettes. Of my oldest drivetrain currently in use (about 5 years now), 
>> I've only just had to replace the cassette once, so I should be good to go 
>> on my chainrings for another 5 years, woo!
>>
>> As for BB, no need to replace until they get crunchy, it isn't too hard 
>> to switch out a cartridge BB. Especially since the venerable Un55 BB that I 
>> assume your clem has is no longer in production and the Un300 are kinda 
>> "meh" in comparison.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin "hold on and let me measure" in Berkeley
>>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:18:54 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am two years and 7300 miles in on my Clem. Chain measure tool 
>>> indicates I need a new chain & 38t large chainring on the Silver crank has 
>>> some "sharkfining" evident. New chain and chainring will arrive in a few 
>>> days. Small ring and cassette look good. What sort of mileage do folks 
>>> usually expect out of these components? While I am at it, bike is apart and 
>>> standard Shimano cartridge bottom bracket does not exactly feel smooth. It 
>>> did feel smooth spinning when crank was still installed & there is no play 
>>> evident. Riv suggests these bottom brackets might be good for 15,000 miles? 
>>> I do not want to needlessly replace it but the bike is apart so..?
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[RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:15:31 AM UTC-5 I wrote:

The Heron Road bikes have .1mm thinner top tube walls than down tube, and 
my prototype has extra heavy stays, so there you go.


A bit more on this, just for fun. I had Waterford build an ST-22 that is in 
many ways a duplicate of the Heron Road. However, it has a lighter top tube 
(.7/.4/.7 vs .8/.5/.8), a  lighter down tube (.65/.45/.65 vs .9/.6/.9), and 
lighter chain stays (30x17 oval tapering to 12.5mm, 0.8 wall, vs 22.2 round 
tapering to 12, probably 1.0 wall). I find the Heron to be a nicer ride. 
BUT, there are a couple of other critical differences. Both bikes use the 
Heron round blade fork crown, but the ST22 has slightly longer (bit more 
rake, bit more clearance) but stiffer (1.2mm vs 1.0mm wall at the tips) 
blades. In addition, the ST22 fork has beefy fork ends for the SON SL 
connectors, and a Schmidt SON hub. Also, the ST22 rides on DT TK540 rims, 
compared to Mavic MA2 on the Heron. Someday I'll put the Heron's wheels on 
the ST22 and see how that changes things; I expect it will change a lot.

Don't underestimate the importance of the fork to the feel and handling of 
a bike.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Acorn, Nigel Smythe Bags-Obsolete Tan, Tweed

[mikel66...@juno.com]

all the bags are sold. frost river as well as acorn makes a nice looking bag. 
see the acorn site for which are front and rear mounting

mike goldman
rhode island

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn, Nigel Smythe Bags-Obsolete Tan, Tweed

[Caroline Golum]

Definitely interested in one of these tan canvas bags, but unsure which are 
for handlebars...

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:14:12 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> wow great collection, great opportunity for someone to pick up some 
> matching bags.  good prices too.  
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 7:09:04 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
> NJ wrote:
>
>> The $2 bills with Tom are a nice touch, rare as hen's teeth.  Much better 
>> than a $1 bill
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:10:31 AM UTC-5 mike goldman wrote:
>>
>>> All bags are in excellent condition. The 2 smaller rear Acorns on the 
>>> right side of the main photo were on my personal bikes and show some easily 
>>> removable dirt and minor strap wear 
>>>
>>> Prices: From the main picture left to right top to bottom 
>>>
>>> -Med/Large Acorn: main compartment w/ tube size smaller pockets..$75 
>>> shipped 
>>> -Nigel Smythe rear banana bags: 1 main compartment..$70 each shipped 
>>> -Acorn front bag: main compartment w. inner map type compartment..$60 
>>> shipped 
>>> -Acorn front bag: main compartment...$55 shipped 
>>> -Acorn front bag: main compartment, narrowest of frt. Acorn.$50 shipped 
>>> -Nigel Smythe front H bags: side D rings, 1 compartment.$75 shipped each 
>>> -Acorn bags: see description above, no rips, very solid.$45 shipped each 
>>> -Nigel Smythe: small front/rear bag, room for tubes,tools.$50 shipped 
>>>
>>> mike goldman 
>>> rhode island 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Ron Mc]

Terrible word or not, it's easier to use the word than to describe the 
natural frequency that occurs in the rear triangles, to take excess mash 
energy and push the frame forward, making the bike feel lighter.  It's a 
true phenomenon of steel, designed into good-climbing bikes, and it's 
always a joy to feel yourself accelerating on grades.  

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 9:15:31 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> Not to be overly contrarian, but ...
>
> Planing is a terrible word for the phenomenon in question, which is when 
> the flex characteristics of the bike are such that the energy stored in 
> deformation (of the frame and all the attached parts) is efficiently 
> returned to power the rear wheel during the lower power part of the 
> pedaling cycle. When a boat planes, it rises out of the water, resulting in 
> a large reduction in coefficient of drag. The equivalent on a bicycle would 
> be the development of a vacuum around the bike and rider at a certain 
> speed. That would be fun, but it's certainly not what's happening on earth. 
> Ironically, there is a well-known and used term in Jan's back yard, for the 
> exact phenomenon he is trying to describe. Rowers have long used the word 
> "swing" to describe a shell and oars whose flex characteristics synchronize 
> well with their strokes, allowing them to go faster for a given power 
> output. Jan claims that bikes that "plane" magically increase a rider's 
> power output, but the reality is that bikes that swing well waste less of 
> the rider's  power. A better way to put it might be that such a bike puts 
> more of the rider's power to the back wheel. 
>
> The flex characteristics of the frame are important, of course, but the 
> entire bicycle (and its rider) is a system of springs and in such a system 
> the softer springs affect flex first, with the stiffer springs becoming 
> more relevant as the forces increase. For most of us on this list, we don't 
> spend a lot of time putting enough power into the pedals to get to the 
> point where frame flexibility is significantly tested. At 57kg, I can tell 
> you that I rarely put out that kind of power. I have a brevet bike made of 
> .7/.4/.7 standard diameter tubing, and I can make that frame flex, but not 
> for very long. That bike rides on 42mm tires at about 33 psi, and the tires 
> are definitely the soft springs in that system.
>
> I don't attribute aluminum, or stiffer frames in general, to an increased 
> focus on cadence. Track cyclists have always been obsessed with cadence. 
> With the introduction of multiple gear systems for road biking came the 
> opportunity to develop notions of "ideal" cadence. Note that when Jan talks 
> about frames "planing" for him, he almost always talks about it working for 
> his preferred cadence. Stiff frames, in fact, reduce the importance of 
> cadence, as they reduce the contribution of the frame to swing (for a given 
> power input). For me, cadence is only important when going uphill or into a 
> headwind. It is important because I need enough momentum in my feet to keep 
> a steady speed. Without that momentum, I am repeatedly accelerating during 
> the power phase and decelerating during the non-power phase. That is 
> terribly inefficient. And that is why, as discussed in the recent thread on 
> gearing, it is so important to have low gears in steep hills. Long before 
> aluminum frames were a twinkle in Gary Klein's eyes, cyclists talked about 
> "staying on top of a gear" when climbing. It meant to maintain a fast 
> enough cadence that you were pedaling smoothly, maintaining a constant 
> speed. Cyclists have also long talked about using smaller gears and a 
> higher cadence to "work your heart, not your legs." 
>
> So, I also don't have _the_ answer to why some bikes seem/feel/are faster 
> than others. Many of my best Strava times on climbing segments and my best 
> 100km time are on my Heron prototype, which is a road frame but has the 
> heavy rear stays from the touring frame. You can feel the weight of the 
> stays (and the weight of the old SunTour freewheel) when you pick up the 
> bike. Maybe it's just that I have so much invested in that bike that it 
> inspires me to push a little harder. I tend to believe Jan's hypothesis 
> that stiffness in the downtube and chainstays and flex in the top tube, 
> relative to each other, help a bike swing in a way that returns energy to 
> the rear wheel. Interestingly, old Reynolds tube sets were always spec'd 
> that way, with thinner walls in the top tube than in the down tube. 
> Somewhere along the way they switched to the Columbus standard, where top 
> tube and down tube walls are the same. The Heron Road bikes have .1mm 
> thinner top tube walls than down tube, and my prototype has extra heavy 
> stays, so there you go.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Norman R]

Almost 11 years since 2 day Riv Ride along Delaware Water Gap up and 
railtrail down.

https://flic.kr/p/ebw2Rz
Norman R
Montclair, NJ
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:46:00 AM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> I'm also in NJ. I might be up for joining you, depending on the location 
> (and the weather!).
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> long time pedaler, first time owner -- would love to meet for a ride! 
>>
>> a ride out to the beach with a stop at any of the aforementioned spots is 
>> always fun. I personally like hitting up spumoni gardens on the way back. 
>>
>> grand army plaza @ prospect park is a good meet up spot for a ride like 
>> that
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
>>> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain maintenance / life

[Will Boericke]

Tange for me - fits the budget and quality criteria.  SKF are very nice.
People also like Omniracer.  This debate just went down on the iBob list.

Will

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 10:12 AM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Mine is the un300. I’ve just removed it & it is noticeably smoother off
> the bike. It’s not “crunchy” & had no side to side play when installed. So
> maybe it’s not toast yet but it’s out now so…
> I am honestly considering the traditional cup/cone one Riv sells. The
> installation does not bother me - I used to do it on my bikes from the
> ‘70’s. Also intrigued by the Stronglight ones Peter White sells.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 12:19 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Everyone has a rule of thumb, but this is mine - replace chain at
> whatever wear indicator is appropriate for the chain speed (9 is about
> 0.75% wear, 10/11 is 0.5% wear). An 11 speed chain for me lasts about
> 6000-8000 miles of pretty nasty conditions with proper waxing and cleaning.
> My 9 speeds last less but those are the ones on the tourer/commuter/rafter
> bike. Funnily enough, the chainrings that came on my clem wore out pretty
> quickly, no idea why though. The 7075 alu rings seem to last much longer.
>
> As for other drivetrain  parts, I change my cassette after I've gone
> through 3 chains, and I change my chainrings after I've gone through 2
> cassettes. Of my oldest drivetrain currently in use (about 5 years now),
> I've only just had to replace the cassette once, so I should be good to go
> on my chainrings for another 5 years, woo!
>
> As for BB, no need to replace until they get crunchy, it isn't too hard to
> switch out a cartridge BB. Especially since the venerable Un55 BB that I
> assume your clem has is no longer in production and the Un300 are kinda
> "meh" in comparison.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin "hold on and let me measure" in Berkeley
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:18:54 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am two years and 7300 miles in on my Clem. Chain measure tool indicates
>> I need a new chain & 38t large chainring on the Silver crank has some
>> "sharkfining" evident. New chain and chainring will arrive in a few days.
>> Small ring and cassette look good. What sort of mileage do folks usually
>> expect out of these components? While I am at it, bike is apart and
>> standard Shimano cartridge bottom bracket does not exactly feel smooth. It
>> did feel smooth spinning when crank was still installed & there is no play
>> evident. Riv suggests these bottom brackets might be good for 15,000 miles?
>> I do not want to needlessly replace it but the bike is apart so..?
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[RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Ted Durant]

Not to be overly contrarian, but ...

Planing is a terrible word for the phenomenon in question, which is when 
the flex characteristics of the bike are such that the energy stored in 
deformation (of the frame and all the attached parts) is efficiently 
returned to power the rear wheel during the lower power part of the 
pedaling cycle. When a boat planes, it rises out of the water, resulting in 
a large reduction in coefficient of drag. The equivalent on a bicycle would 
be the development of a vacuum around the bike and rider at a certain 
speed. That would be fun, but it's certainly not what's happening on earth. 
Ironically, there is a well-known and used term in Jan's back yard, for the 
exact phenomenon he is trying to describe. Rowers have long used the word 
"swing" to describe a shell and oars whose flex characteristics synchronize 
well with their strokes, allowing them to go faster for a given power 
output. Jan claims that bikes that "plane" magically increase a rider's 
power output, but the reality is that bikes that swing well waste less of 
the rider's  power. A better way to put it might be that such a bike puts 
more of the rider's power to the back wheel. 

The flex characteristics of the frame are important, of course, but the 
entire bicycle (and its rider) is a system of springs and in such a system 
the softer springs affect flex first, with the stiffer springs becoming 
more relevant as the forces increase. For most of us on this list, we don't 
spend a lot of time putting enough power into the pedals to get to the 
point where frame flexibility is significantly tested. At 57kg, I can tell 
you that I rarely put out that kind of power. I have a brevet bike made of 
.7/.4/.7 standard diameter tubing, and I can make that frame flex, but not 
for very long. That bike rides on 42mm tires at about 33 psi, and the tires 
are definitely the soft springs in that system.

I don't attribute aluminum, or stiffer frames in general, to an increased 
focus on cadence. Track cyclists have always been obsessed with cadence. 
With the introduction of multiple gear systems for road biking came the 
opportunity to develop notions of "ideal" cadence. Note that when Jan talks 
about frames "planing" for him, he almost always talks about it working for 
his preferred cadence. Stiff frames, in fact, reduce the importance of 
cadence, as they reduce the contribution of the frame to swing (for a given 
power input). For me, cadence is only important when going uphill or into a 
headwind. It is important because I need enough momentum in my feet to keep 
a steady speed. Without that momentum, I am repeatedly accelerating during 
the power phase and decelerating during the non-power phase. That is 
terribly inefficient. And that is why, as discussed in the recent thread on 
gearing, it is so important to have low gears in steep hills. Long before 
aluminum frames were a twinkle in Gary Klein's eyes, cyclists talked about 
"staying on top of a gear" when climbing. It meant to maintain a fast 
enough cadence that you were pedaling smoothly, maintaining a constant 
speed. Cyclists have also long talked about using smaller gears and a 
higher cadence to "work your heart, not your legs." 

So, I also don't have _the_ answer to why some bikes seem/feel/are faster 
than others. Many of my best Strava times on climbing segments and my best 
100km time are on my Heron prototype, which is a road frame but has the 
heavy rear stays from the touring frame. You can feel the weight of the 
stays (and the weight of the old SunTour freewheel) when you pick up the 
bike. Maybe it's just that I have so much invested in that bike that it 
inspires me to push a little harder. I tend to believe Jan's hypothesis 
that stiffness in the downtube and chainstays and flex in the top tube, 
relative to each other, help a bike swing in a way that returns energy to 
the rear wheel. Interestingly, old Reynolds tube sets were always spec'd 
that way, with thinner walls in the top tube than in the down tube. 
Somewhere along the way they switched to the Columbus standard, where top 
tube and down tube walls are the same. The Heron Road bikes have .1mm 
thinner top tube walls than down tube, and my prototype has extra heavy 
stays, so there you go.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain maintenance / life

[Richard Rose]

Mine is the un300. I’ve just removed it & it is noticeably smoother off the bike. It’s not “crunchy” & had no side to side play when installed. So maybe it’s not toast yet but it’s out now so…I am honestly considering the traditional cup/cone one Riv sells. The installation does not bother me - I used to do it on my bikes from the ‘70’s. Also intrigued by the Stronglight ones Peter White sells.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2024, at 12:19 AM, Collin A  wrote:Everyone has a rule of thumb, but this is mine - replace chain at whatever wear indicator is appropriate for the chain speed (9 is about 0.75% wear, 10/11 is 0.5% wear). An 11 speed chain for me lasts about 6000-8000 miles of pretty nasty conditions with proper waxing and cleaning. My 9 speeds last less but those are the ones on the tourer/commuter/rafter bike. Funnily enough, the chainrings that came on my clem wore out pretty quickly, no idea why though. The 7075 alu rings seem to last much longer.As for other drivetrain  parts, I change my cassette after I've gone through 3 chains, and I change my chainrings after I've gone through 2 cassettes. Of my oldest drivetrain currently in use (about 5 years now), I've only just had to replace the cassette once, so I should be good to go on my chainrings for another 5 years, woo!As for BB, no need to replace until they get crunchy, it isn't too hard to switch out a cartridge BB. Especially since the venerable Un55 BB that I assume your clem has is no longer in production and the Un300 are kinda "meh" in comparison.Cheers,Collin "hold on and let me measure" in BerkeleyOn Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:18:54 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I am two years and 7300 miles in on my Clem. Chain measure tool indicates I need a new chain & 38t large chainring on the Silver crank has some "sharkfining" evident. New chain and chainring will arrive in a few days. Small ring and cassette look good. What sort of mileage do folks usually expect out of these components? While I am at it, bike is apart and standard Shimano cartridge bottom bracket does not exactly feel smooth. It did feel smooth spinning when crank was still installed & there is no play evident. Riv suggests these bottom brackets might be good for 15,000 miles? I do not want to needlessly replace it but the bike is apart so..?



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Re: [RBW] Re: lowrider rack advice / recommendations

[Pat Smith]

If you're willing to do a full upper rack with low riders the Pelago 
commuter with optional low rider attachment looks really slick.


On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 7:44:46 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I appreciate this thread, was having the same question/thought process for 
> my appaloosa too and was thinking of starting a similar thread. Any users 
> of the marks hub area rack- does it only work for mini panniers or could 
> you mount regular back o bike bags to it? any favorite dedicated lowrider 
> racks? in my research i found the tubus variety, marks, nitto s rack..
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:21:12 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Oh, photo for proof - in an area that was burned not 1 month later from 
>> the Mosquito Fire :(
>> [image: PXL_20220723_235920416.jpg]
>> Collin in Burntown
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Richard Rose]

Well, the indication was a small adjustment but still long. I am guessing they will be shortened less than the length of the dropout slot. As a Clem & Gus owner the long stays are the main attraction of this particular single speed. That and it being fully lugged. I cannot answer the question of when are they too long but I think Riv figured out the sweet spot on their current models. Your results may vary.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2024, at 8:51 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I too saw that they are planning to shorten the chainstays on the production Roaduno. At what point are the stays too long and how does too long affect ride quality?DougOn Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:10:07 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:32:33 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically.  It's hard to keep up with changes, and I think we just need to wait until the end to know for sure what it'll be.  After that "just like a Homer" update, it seemed to get really long chainstays - much longer than the Homer.   Buy now they do say they're going to get shorter again.   



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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Doug H.]

I too saw that they are planning to shorten the chainstays on the 
production Roaduno. At what point are the stays too long and how does too 
long affect ride quality?
Doug

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:10:07 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:32:33 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically.  
>
>
> It's hard to keep up with changes, and I think we just need to wait until 
> the end to know for sure what it'll be.  After that "just like a Homer" 
> update, it seemed to get really long chainstays - much longer than the 
> Homer.   Buy now they do say they're going to get shorter again.  
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Garth]

My experience mirrors Johnny's. I went from using an S84 to a 25mm setback 
Ritchey post to now a zero setback Ritchey. I ride 150mm cranks too, 
midfoot position. 74" tall, proportional legs. As I see it , the more I 
moved forward over the BB, the more effectively I can push  down and back 
to the rear wheel, rather than trying to push down and forward and have 
that energy rebound back to the rear wheel. I could feel the discrepancy 
being so bar back, pushing forward to push back to the rear wheel, but I 
could never figure out what was going on in words. But as I moved the 
saddle forward I found that "counter-forces" lessened and so I just kept 
going forward. My frame already has a long reach, 62cm c-c withe 62cm TT 
@72.5d STA and 72d HTA, and I went from a 110cm stem to a 130mm. I''m also 
using Zipp compact drop bars(70/115mm reach/drop),  so I have lots more 
potential reach available if desired just by changing the bar.  I'm doing 
my best to put it into words here. Yes, it may go against everything you 
ever thought about crank length or body position relative the BB, but just 
because the same theories are parroted over the internet does not make them 
suitable for anyone but the one who wrote it. 

Riding the shorter 150mm cranks also allows me to be further forward of the 
BB without losing any forward reach to the bars. Placing my feet more 
midfoot, I don't remember exactly but I think my saddle height remained 
close to what it was with longer cranks. I did find this on crank length : 
https://biketestreviews.com/cranklength/ ,  it's rather long and techie, 
but the second part I most relate to based on my experience. It is very 
silly that crank length has been in large part stuck between 165-180mm. 
Think about the very large variance in body heights, leg lengths and feet 
sizes, from children to adults. Such a limited range doesn't work for 
everyone. Stems range from zero to 160mm. Hmmm. 

I've notice more of the brand name parts makers are catching on about short 
cranks. I know Grant knows about them as I mentioned to him once I ride 
150mm cranks and he had read about 150mm being a sweet spot. I get that 
offering other sizes requires investment and inventory so who knows if a 
short Silver crank will ever arrive. I suspect if I showed up on their door 
with a set for them to try though, they'd certainly try them for themselves 
! Plus, while I don't ride a Brooks saddle, in light of the perspective 
I've given it seems it's a good thing that they have short rails , for 
those that want to move forward. FWIW, I've moved my saddle all the way 
forward on my Bombadil, which still has Albatross bars on it. While the 
reach is too short for me wanting to go long and low, (I have a drop bar 
setup set to install), I found the same pealing bliss being more forward of 
the BB. It was like, zoom ! Pedaling feels so much more fluent and 
efficient, just like on my Franklin bike.  So yes, you can still be upright 
if you want, but you'll be able to push down to the rear wheel more 
effectively/efficiently. 

Have you ever seen people ride a skid bike ? I saw some videos of this. The 
bikes are odd for sure, but what struck me the extreme at which they were 
forward of the BB. I mean extreme, like they lean over the bars and front 
wheel and push back to the BB with their body at a forward angle. They 
generate lots of power with ease that way. While we're not riding our bikes 
to that, it does highlight what I'm taking about, albeit it an EXTREME way 
! Ahahaahahahaa !

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 10:42:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Maybe try the original Nitto Moustache bar?  Those have the parallel hand 
> position but essentially no sweep back because they go forward a lot before 
> coming back.  Most riders who switched from drop bars to Moustache bars had 
> to run a shorter stem than they used with drops.  That could be ideal for 
> stretching out a too-short cockpit for a rider that's short in the legs and 
> longer in the torso.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> P.S.  If you need help finding one, I've got one.  
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-8 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Picking up this thread I just bought a 50cm Roadini and had it built up 
>> for my wife  (Thanks Bryan!).  The goal being a faster, more roadie bike 
>> than she currently rides but still can hit trails.
>>
>> She has a very long torso and long arms but short (proportionally to her 
>> torso) legs...  She's an 80pbh so Right in the sweet spot for a size 50.
>> Initially I put Chocos on the bike on a 110mm high-rise stem ...but they 
>> come way back... so that probably not the right bar for the Roadini anyway.
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-07 at 10.53.16 AM.png]
>> Even when mocking the bike up with noodles on a 100mm stem , she felt 
>> scrunched up and didn't have the reach she needed.  Her rear end was 
>> hanging off the back of the saddle. 
>>
>> Her other bike is 

Re: [RBW] Re: lowrider rack advice / recommendations

[Stephen]

I appreciate this thread, was having the same question/thought process for 
my appaloosa too and was thinking of starting a similar thread. Any users 
of the marks hub area rack- does it only work for mini panniers or could 
you mount regular back o bike bags to it? any favorite dedicated lowrider 
racks? in my research i found the tubus variety, marks, nitto s rack..

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:21:12 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Oh, photo for proof - in an area that was burned not 1 month later from 
> the Mosquito Fire :(
> [image: PXL_20220723_235920416.jpg]
> Collin in Burntown
>

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