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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-21 Thread aeroperf

I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded view - 
spacers going between the cup and the BB shell.  
You’re absolutely right on the prep work.  Both bikes were chased, but the 
Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack slightly 
smaller.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

2024-01-21 Thread Sarah Carlson

Brian, it has been rainy and dreary here in Riv Country for DAYS so don't 
worry, it is a fantasy for us here as well!

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:16:44 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The weather is shit where I am (oddly enough, the Gulf Coast), so this 
> video is what's giving me strength right now. I wish I could be teleported 
> into these vintage, golden hues of Walnut Creek careening down a dirt path 
> with my Gus.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I thought this video came out so good, wish they made a longer cut of 
>> it.. feel like i could watch that 16mm film all day
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 9:21:37 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Fun video. The way they are "shredding" the trails is my kind of riding. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 That was great! Thanks for posting Eric!

 On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and 
> sweet. And  they all having such a good time. 
>
> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd 
> I 
> suppose. 
>
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  
> wrote:
>
>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>>
>>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell 
>>> staff :0) Quite fun! 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>>
>>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived 
>>> saddle. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-21 Thread Will Boericke

I mostly take the number of spacers they recommend and arrange them in 
whjatever fashion creates the best chainline for the bike. 

Will

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:26:56 AM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded view - 
> spacers going between the cup and the BB shell.  
> You’re absolutely right on the prep work.  Both bikes were chased, but the 
> Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack slightly 
> smaller.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: J&G Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL with helmet cover.

2024-01-21 Thread Kim H.

@Bernard,

J&G Cyclwwear only has 2X available in stock, like my jacket from looking
at their website yesterday.

Kim Hetzel.


Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 1:20 PM Bernard Duhon  wrote:

> Thanks
>
> I will probably buy on if they are still available
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Kim H.
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 20, 2024 10:13 AM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] FS: J&G Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket
> 2XL with helmet cover.
>
>
>
> @Bernard -
>
>
>
> I am sorry that my jacket is too big for you. For me, if I would only be
> able to wear a long sleeve mid weight merino wool pull over and a long
> sleeve wool jersey underneath the coat, nothing more.
>
>
>
> I do not know the answer to your question about my jacket's waterproofing
> compared to the benchmark of ShowersPass's waterproofing, because I have
> not worn the jacket outside in the rain. However, from the description of
> the jacket in its' waterproof qualities, details and seeing how the jacket
> is constructed, I would absolutely say that it is a very quality and
> durable jacket for cycling in comparison to a ShowersPass Elite 2.1 jacket
> I had once owned before.
>
>
>
> When you wear a rain jacket for cycling, do you layer underneath ?
>
>
>
> What size do you normally wear ?
>
>
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 7:29:57 AM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
>
> Jacket is too big for me.
>
> I checked the website & price is more than attractive.
>
>
>
> How does its waterproofing  compare to the benchmark “Showers pass”?
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Kim H.
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 20, 2024 12:12 AM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] FS: J&G Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL
> with helmet cover.
>
>
>
> Late last year I purchased a bright yellow J&G Cyclewear Waterproof
> Breathable Rain jacket in size 2XL from their website. I would have bought
> a 3XL, but they were all sold out.
>
> My issue with the jacket is that there is no room for layering underneath
> whatsoever. Therefore, I honestly cannot use it.
>
> https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html
>
> https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Helmet-Covers.html
>
> The jacket is in excellent and brand new condition. I have not even worn
> it outside. It has been in my closet all this time. It is time to find a
> new owner.
>
> I want to sell it with the matching helmet cover that is offered with the
> jacket. I paid around $80.00 for the both of them new,with shipping..
>
> How about $65.00, shipped ?
>
> Paypal payment preferred.
>
>
>
> Thank-you.
>
>
> Kim Hetzel
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: J&G Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL with helmet cover.

2024-01-21 Thread Kim H.

...2XL I meant.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024, 8:57 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Bernard,
>
> J&G Cyclwwear only has 2X available in stock, like my jacket from looking
> at their website yesterday.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 1:20 PM Bernard Duhon  wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> I will probably buy on if they are still available
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Kim H.
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 20, 2024 10:13 AM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] FS: J&G Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket
>> 2XL with helmet cover.
>>
>>
>>
>> @Bernard -
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry that my jacket is too big for you. For me, if I would only be
>> able to wear a long sleeve mid weight merino wool pull over and a long
>> sleeve wool jersey underneath the coat, nothing more.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not know the answer to your question about my jacket's waterproofing
>> compared to the benchmark of ShowersPass's waterproofing, because I have
>> not worn the jacket outside in the rain. However, from the description of
>> the jacket in its' waterproof qualities, details and seeing how the jacket
>> is constructed, I would absolutely say that it is a very quality and
>> durable jacket for cycling in comparison to a ShowersPass Elite 2.1 jacket
>> I had once owned before.
>>
>>
>>
>> When you wear a rain jacket for cycling, do you layer underneath ?
>>
>>
>>
>> What size do you normally wear ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 7:29:57 AM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
>>
>> Jacket is too big for me.
>>
>> I checked the website & price is more than attractive.
>>
>>
>>
>> How does its waterproofing  compare to the benchmark “Showers pass”?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Kim H.
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 20, 2024 12:12 AM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* [RBW] FS: J&G Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL
>> with helmet cover.
>>
>>
>>
>> Late last year I purchased a bright yellow J&G Cyclewear Waterproof
>> Breathable Rain jacket in size 2XL from their website. I would have bought
>> a 3XL, but they were all sold out.
>>
>> My issue with the jacket is that there is no room for layering underneath
>> whatsoever. Therefore, I honestly cannot use it.
>>
>> https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html
>>
>> https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Helmet-Covers.html
>>
>> The jacket is in excellent and brand new condition. I have not even worn
>> it outside. It has been in my closet all this time. It is time to find a
>> new owner.
>>
>> I want to sell it with the matching helmet cover that is offered with the
>> jacket. I paid around $80.00 for the both of them new,with shipping..
>>
>> How about $65.00, shipped ?
>>
>> Paypal payment preferred.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>>
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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Matt Beecher

If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they 
haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  

I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting it 
up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site quickly 
destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I had to 
guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but tore the 
brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together with a 
cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A lot of 
items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers and I 
had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the luggage 
service side of the trip.  

However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with strangers 
every evening.  

One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me off 
of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days.  

The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you 
have a power bank available.  

Good luck,
Matt

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>
> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>
> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
> others?
>
> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>
> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Lyman Labry

I rode RAGBRAI for the first time last year.  It was crazy and fun.
Pork Belly Ventures is a premier service for Ragbrai riders.  Check out
their website.
Lyman ATX

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:03 AM Matt Beecher  wrote:

> If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they
> haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be
> nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.
>
> I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting
> it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site
> quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I
> had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but
> tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together
> with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A
> lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers
> and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the
> luggage service side of the trip.
>
> However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with
> strangers every evening.
>
> One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me off
> of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days.
>
> The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you
> have a power bank available.
>
> Good luck,
> Matt
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival?
>>
>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money
>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard
>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure
>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And
>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene
>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even
>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>
>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a
>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state
>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike
>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with
>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the
>> others?
>>
>> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of
>> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on.
>> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many
>> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>>
>> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really
>> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s
>> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

2024-01-21 Thread Jesse Bussell

Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year and was 
wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay area? I 
have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).

I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

2024-01-21 Thread John

So cool! I just got my first Paul stuff (Love Levers + Klamper disc brake 
calipers) last year after eyeing it for ages. Gosh is it nice! It's 
beautiful right down to the packaging, isn't it? Love hearing that you had 
a positive customer experience too. I hope the new parts bring you years of 
joy.

John

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[RBW] WTB: Bosco size 520mm or 550mm

2024-01-21 Thread Nathan Barlow

Hi all

I am looking to buy a Bosco bar, either 520mm or 550mm.

Based on past prices , I am aiming to pay $75 shipped. 

PayPal would be best for me

Thanks
Nathan 

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[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

2024-01-21 Thread ScaD

I'd like to grab an Appaloosa - curious about the colors that will be on 
offer. 

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 4:03:05 PM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw this in the last email:
>
>
>- February - Clems
>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>- June - Appaloosas
>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>- September - Roadini
>
> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>
> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>
> - Drew  
>

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[RBW] Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Jason M

First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
like a good place...my new happy place ;-)

I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
be visiting Montreal.

Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
levers, and Tektro brakes.

Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, but 
there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!

Photos to come in February.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Riv Susie frame and fork

2024-01-21 Thread ScaD

This has sold, thanks to everyone for your interest.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:38:19 PM UTC-5 ScaD wrote:

> For sale is a 56cm Limeade Susie W. Longbolts / Wolbis Slugstone frame, 
> fork, and headset. Standard geometry for 56cm can be found on the Riv site. 
> This is a fully fillet brazed frame. Received from a friend who built it up 
> and rode it over the last year, but not significant mileage. Note that the 
> "Susie" decals were mostly scraped off along one side of the downtube, see 
> pic below. Otherwise in great shape, no dents or dings. 
>
> [image: image_50424065.JPG]
>
> [image: image_16810753.JPG]
>
> Asking $1600 plus shipping from New York City. Email me with any questions 
> or to request additional photos. 
>
> Thanks,
> Dominic
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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread daniel belyusar

Hiya, 
Myself and another list member rode it for the first time last year. He on 
a Riv, me on my 83 Trek 620. (also another friend from Iowa and his dad). 
We met a number of Riv-riders including Reginald along the way  ;). Overall 
it was a mixed bag. I never really got around to writing my scene report so 
here goes the brain dump... 

Logistics: 
- We joined a small bike club based in Dubuque. We drove from Chicago to 
Dubuque, then they carried our duffles and bikes across, chartered a bus, 
and arranged with the organizers to secure a plot of land in each town for 
the 30-40 people from the club. It was honestly pretty spartan and not all 
that great. Part of the problem was that it was very hot almost the whole 
week; so without a place to go to at the end of the day, we ended up having 
to either kill time along the way, or immediately re-pack to ride to a 
public pool or something. Just sitting in an open field in 90 degrees and 
humid is not fun for me. As someone mentioned, everyone who I met along the 
way that used Pork Belly loved it - they set up a tent for you, have 
showers and beer and I think even entertainment. They're also very 
well-connected to the organizers over many years and seemed to have the 
prime locations. And yes, there are plenty of other companies including 
portable AC'd huts if you want!

- If I were to do it again, I think I'd make arrangements with locals in 
each town to camp on their lawn and bike pack (the organizers support a 
message board to make arrangements). An idea I heard a number of times 
which also seemed good if you can swing it: have a SAG vehicle shared 
between a small crew. It can be a car, but prob would be what you would 
drive to the start. Each day has a main lunch town/ meetup, about half way. 
So in the car crew, one person misses a half day of riding, round robin. 
The second half driver gets set up in the overnight town, everyone gets a 
little AC as needed, and you can get around to stores and maybe even get 
out of town a bit to beat the crowds if you want. Some people also rent RVs 
and it seems like there are some designated places for them, but again you 
need someone to drive.

- WRT to drunken shenanigans, honestly I didn't see much if any of it. The 
rides were pretty brutal with the heat and elevation, so if you partied 
hard the night before, I was probably way ahead the next day. We might have 
had a couple beers in the shade here and there, but when there is still 
miles 61 - 80 to go, and its 90 degrees, I think you'd be silly/dangerous 
to hit it hard. Once in town, everyone was pretty spread out throughout, so 
maybe I just missed it?

The Good: 
- I've never really done any long bike touring before (maybe 3 days max) so 
this was the longest number of days that all I had to do was ride! Almost 
all of the roads are closed and the route obvious, so for 500 mile over 7 
days, just wake up and keep pedaling. I could see why some might find the 
terrain a bit same-y, but there was a ton of elevation change, really 
pretty landscapes, and enough rivers and towns to keep me interested. 

- the tech support was amazing. every town (? or most) had a service stop 
with a number of very capable, approachable, and affordable crew for 
repairs. I wore out a front derailer cable mid week (so many hills!), my 
friend broke a spoke on a different day. In both cases it was like 30 min, 
$20 and back on the road. Watching them lace up my old Suntour fd on the 
'83 Trek, followed by a wireless rear on a carbon fiber '23 Trek for the 
next person in line was pretty awesome (new battery for your rd? $60 fully 
charged!). 

- I thought my bike was perfect. I rode 650b x38 smooth gravel kings, 46-30 
front and wide-ish rear, basic tektro brakes. I got a lot of comments both 
snarky and fun (met more than one person that had done cross country rides 
on 520s and 620s 'back in the day')

- I'm a pretty social person, but I met and rode with a lot of nice 
strangers on interesting bikes (see above). Learned about some cool tours, 
some cool bikes new and old. Despite the next section, I met quite a few 
folks that were into the same things I am. You know the old Honda ads? "You 
meet the nicest people on a Honda/ steel bike". As someone said, there is 
also that overall good vibe of just nothing but bikers everywhere...

The Bad: 
- it was really crowded. I know, of course I expected that, and it was the 
50th anniversary, so it might have been particularly packed. For me there 
were only a couple of rough patches where it was actually challenging to be 
riding with so many people, trying to change lanes etc, and the biggest 
headache was the swifties 'ON YOUR LEFT!' when it was crowded and I 
couldn't go any more right. I think I had to dismount once owing to a crowd 
going around a tight bend. But if you are planning to leave at a leisurely 
sun-up time, and riding a modest pace, expect lines for everything (could 
be like an hour for a beer or a

[RBW] Silver crank arm trade

2024-01-21 Thread Luke Whitmore

Greetings,

I have a Clem H (size 59) that came to me with the stock Silver cranks at 
the 178 length with the 38/24 double chainring setup. I'm thinking that I 
would like to explore using a shorter crank. I'm curious is there is anyone 
out there who has the same setup but with 170 length Silver cranks. If so 
perhaps we could explore a crank arm trade. Please DM me to explore this 
further, request pictures, etc...

best,


Luke

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Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

2024-01-21 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Thanks to those who already responded, but putting on my admin cap:

>2019 Ibis Mojo 3

This would be solidly outside of the selling guidelines for this group. 
Plenty of other places to find an excited buyer for that. 

- J

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> 2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv 
> content? My Gus has taken it’s place.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
>
> Steve
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in 
>> question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to 
>> list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. 
>> I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike 
>> here.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a 
>>> bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be 
>>> interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. Thanks! 
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

2024-01-21 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
China Camp State Park


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> Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year and 
> was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay area? 
> I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).
>
> I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.
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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

Welcome to the group and I love your Atlantis and your adventures through
cherry blossoms and snow!

Toshi in Oakland, CA (I haven't ridden in snow for 30+ years)

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore

I love it! A perennial Rivendell classic perfected with disc brakes! Neck
and neck with the other Atlantis I just recently praised!

Pray, what are those tires?

Patrick "disc brakes offroad all the time" Moore, who is happy with rim
brakes for road riding.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:33 AM Miles Payton 
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> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and
> wanted to share with y'all the final (ha!) build. Some parts I had laying
> around or poached from other bikes (the Hunt wheelset, the Woodchipper bars
> and Gevenalle shifters), though the drivetrain was a pretty specific vision
> of a '90's friction-friendly wide-range 3x10. And it's a disc-modified
> frame and aftermarket fork so I had to make it a disc brake build with the
> TRP Spyres.
>
> Yeah it's an odd one. The owner of my LBS said I had one foot in hell
> building it up. It's smooth as hell at least. I told myself I wouldn't
> hesitate if the right Atlantis popped up on this group, and lo and behold
> one did.
>
> The dog isn't mine, it and its friend live near Mission San Juan in south
> San Antonio and they were happy to follow me and my wife for a bit on the
> mission trail.
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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-21 Thread iamkeith

Nick, as I mentioned in my question, I too only have experience with cranks 
that take spacers between the arm and the cup.  It makes more sense that 
way, but this bb definitely seems to require spacers next to the shell.  
That's how it was assembled when it arrived.  I just cant figure out why 
it's asymmetrical.  Ive now learned that, even with a 73mm shell,  it would 
still require a single 2.5mm spacer on the drive side, UNLESS there was a 
bb-mounted deraileur or bash gauard plate.  But you'd think the crank arms 
would be shaped to compensate for that.  

As set up in my photo, I have a 50mm chainline.  Sheldon says a road double 
should be 47mm, so that's another reason not to add more spacers on that 
side.

You probably had the best idea though.  I guess I'll take a dremel to the 
non-drive-side arm or spidel end, so it can slide inward a few more 
millimeters and at least be symmetrical.  

It'll still be wider than necessary, but I'm not Q- factor sensitive, 
fortunately.  I guess this is really intended as a mtb crank, even though 
it doesn't say that on soma's or interloc's website?

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I mostly take the number of spacers they recommend and arrange them in 
> whjatever fashion creates the best chainline for the bike. 
>
> Will
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:26:56 AM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded view - 
>> spacers going between the cup and the BB shell.  
>> You’re absolutely right on the prep work.  Both bikes were chased, but 
>> the Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack 
>> slightly smaller.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Jacob Tobey

The one that got away! I'm so glad to see this built up, it looks great! 
Hope you enjoy it.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:55:24 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I love it! A perennial Rivendell classic perfected with disc brakes! Neck 
> and neck with the other Atlantis I just recently praised!
>
> Pray, what are those tires?
>
> Patrick "disc brakes offroad all the time" Moore, who is happy with rim 
> brakes for road riding.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:33 AM Miles Payton  wrote:
>
>> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and 
>> wanted to share with y'all the final (ha!) build. Some parts I had laying 
>> around or poached from other bikes (the Hunt wheelset, the Woodchipper bars 
>> and Gevenalle shifters), though the drivetrain was a pretty specific vision 
>> of a '90's friction-friendly wide-range 3x10. And it's a disc-modified 
>> frame and aftermarket fork so I had to make it a disc brake build with the 
>> TRP Spyres.
>>
>> Yeah it's an odd one. The owner of my LBS said I had one foot in hell 
>> building it up. It's smooth as hell at least. I told myself I wouldn't 
>> hesitate if the right Atlantis popped up on this group, and lo and behold 
>> one did.
>>
>> The dog isn't mine, it and its friend live near Mission San Juan in south 
>> San Antonio and they were happy to follow me and my wife for a bit on the 
>> mission trail.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread George Schick

I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option 
and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?


On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and 
> wanted to share with y'all the final (ha!) build. Some parts I had laying 
> around or poached from other bikes (the Hunt wheelset, the Woodchipper bars 
> and Gevenalle shifters), though the drivetrain was a pretty specific vision 
> of a '90's friction-friendly wide-range 3x10. And it's a disc-modified 
> frame and aftermarket fork so I had to make it a disc brake build with the 
> TRP Spyres.
>
> Yeah it's an odd one. The owner of my LBS said I had one foot in hell 
> building it up. It's smooth as hell at least. I told myself I wouldn't 
> hesitate if the right Atlantis popped up on this group, and lo and behold 
> one did.
>
> The dog isn't mine, it and its friend live near Mission San Juan in south 
> San Antonio and they were happy to follow me and my wife for a bit on the 
> mission trail.
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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny rack 
> is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.
>
> I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have knobbies 
> under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is your 
> front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of 
> getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have 
> thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are 
> alternatives.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie  wrote:
>
>> Hello amigos, 
>>
>> This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is my 
>> 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a lot 
>> of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm looking 
>> forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
>> Happy pedalling! 🌍✌️ 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore

Late to the party, as you can see by the thread tree, but Jock: That's a
lovely bike. More information? (Off-list if necessary. Thanks.)


> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and
>> sweet. And  they all having such a good time.
>>
>> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my
>> switch. This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it.
>> Rather odd I suppose.
>>
>>
>> Jock
>>
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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-21 Thread Will Boericke

Almost all of the external cranks I've installed have multiple spacers.

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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-21 Thread Garth

Keith, road bike double crank chainline spec is always 43.5mm. Are you 
measuring between the rings ? 

You may hate me for saying so but it sounds like this crank would be better 
suited for another frame with at least 135mm spacing. With the big ring 
that far out on a 130mm spaced road frame, your available cogs(without a 
lot of friction) diminishes by at least one, likely two. 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:57:58 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Nick, as I mentioned in my question, I too only have experience with 
> cranks that take spacers between the arm and the cup.  It makes more sense 
> that way, but this bb definitely seems to require spacers next to the 
> shell.  That's how it was assembled when it arrived.  I just cant figure 
> out why it's asymmetrical.  Ive now learned that, even with a 73mm shell,  
> it would still require a single 2.5mm spacer on the drive side, UNLESS 
> there was a bb-mounted deraileur or bash gauard plate.  But you'd think the 
> crank arms would be shaped to compensate for that.  
>
> As set up in my photo, I have a 50mm chainline.  Sheldon says a road 
> double should be 47mm, so that's another reason not to add more spacers on 
> that side.
>
> You probably had the best idea though.  I guess I'll take a dremel to the 
> non-drive-side arm or spidel end, so it can slide inward a few more 
> millimeters and at least be symmetrical.  
>
> It'll still be wider than necessary, but I'm not Q- factor sensitive, 
> fortunately.  I guess this is really intended as a mtb crank, even though 
> it doesn't say that on soma's or interloc's website?
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I mostly take the number of spacers they recommend and arrange them in 
>> whjatever fashion creates the best chainline for the bike. 
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:26:56 AM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded view 
>>> - spacers going between the cup and the BB shell.  
>>> You’re absolutely right on the prep work.  Both bikes were chased, but 
>>> the Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack 
>>> slightly smaller.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Brenton Eastman

Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size 
Carradice are those?

Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny rack 
>> is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.
>>
>> I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have knobbies 
>> under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is your 
>> front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of 
>> getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have 
>> thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are 
>> alternatives.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello amigos, 
>>>
>>> This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is my 
>>> 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a lot 
>>> of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm looking 
>>> forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
>>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
>>> Happy pedalling! 🌍✌️ 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Brian Turner

Welcome, Josie! Glad you’re here. As I’m sure you’re aware from Instagram, I took many cues and inspiration from your lovely Atlantis as I was building up my Toyo. As far as I can tell, you and I are the only ones rocking the Nitto NR20 :)BrianLex KyOn Jan 21, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Brenton Eastman wrote:Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size Carradice are those?Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny rack is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have knobbies under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is your front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are alternatives.On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie wrote:Hello amigos, This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is my 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a lot of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm looking forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!Happy pedalling! 🌍✌️

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Brenton Eastman

[I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option 
and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]

While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most 
logical route, it results in a very unique ride! 

There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry 
available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Brenton Eastman

Looking forward to updates! I just built a Roadini myself.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>
> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
> be visiting Montreal.
>
> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>
> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, but 
> there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>
> Photos to come in February.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore

I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an
Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they
eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv
Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles
was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper
brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very
light rims to be used if that's of interest.)

But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done
symmetrically and right.



On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman 
wrote:

> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
> and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>
> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most
> logical route, it results in a very unique ride!
>
> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry
> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
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[RBW] Re: Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Donzaemon

Welcome! What a lovely Atlantis build too.

-Don

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-8 Josie wrote:

> Hello amigos, 
>
> This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is my 
> 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a lot 
> of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm looking 
> forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]
>
> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
> Happy pedalling! 🌍✌️

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[RBW] FS: Two pairs of the new MUSA shorts sz. L & a Woolywarm wool jersey sz. XL

2024-01-21 Thread Daniel Rooke

Hello,

I have one Black and one Ranger Green pair of the new MUSA shorts for sale. 
Two small marks on the right rear pocket of the green shorts.  Both are 
size large and weren't worn much.
 
$70 for the black and $65 for the green or $110 for both.

The Woolywarm jersey is navy merino wool and no size tag so I'll provide 
the measurements below.  It's in excellent condition.  I never wore it but 
bought it from someone else, although it looks almost new. Maybe they 
didn't wear it either?  It's really, really nice and if it fit me I'd keep 
it.  

Armpit to armpit: 22"
Collar to hem: 30"
Collar to end of the short sleeve is 14"

All prices include shipping.

If you want everything let's say $160.

Thanks

Photos 


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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

2024-01-21 Thread Donzaemon

Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there this 
spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.

Don

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
> SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
> China Camp State Park
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year and 
>> was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay area? 
>> I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).
>>
>> I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread George Schick

Patrick - I don't think Grant would approve.  But everyone has their own 
preference.  I have a Surly 1x1 with a disc on the front fork and a linear 
pull on the rear.  The reason for that is because when I first bought it 
and had it set up like that it had a fixed/SS flip-flop hub on the rear 
which would have made a disc option impossible.  My experience with fixed 
was short lived, however, and now I just run a single speed sprocket.  I'm 
not sorry that it worked out that way, though, and I like it the way it is.


On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an 
> Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they 
> eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv 
> Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles 
> was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper 
> brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very 
> light rims to be used if that's of interest.)
>
> But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done 
> symmetrically and right.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman  
> wrote:
>
>> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount 
>> option and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>>
>> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most 
>> logical route, it results in a very unique ride! 
>>
>> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry 
>> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Richard Rose

Beautiful, beautiful bike. I’ve been thinking that crank would be just about perfect for an Roaduno.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 21, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Brenton Eastman wrote:Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size Carradice are those?Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny rack is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have knobbies under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is your front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are alternatives.On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie wrote:Hello amigos, This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is my 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a lot of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm looking forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!Happy pedalling! 🌍✌️

[RBW] SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-21 Thread Bernard Duhon

I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Miles Payton

You’d have to ask the previous owner who commissioned this custom fork. But
I would have done it the same way. I appreciate the versatility in having
the option to go full canti or v brake somewhere down the line. And this
way it’s symmetrical.


On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:10 PM George Schick  wrote:

> I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
> and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and
>> wanted to share with y'all the final (ha!) build. Some parts I had laying
>> around or poached from other bikes (the Hunt wheelset, the Woodchipper bars
>> and Gevenalle shifters), though the drivetrain was a pretty specific vision
>> of a '90's friction-friendly wide-range 3x10. And it's a disc-modified
>> frame and aftermarket fork so I had to make it a disc brake build with the
>> TRP Spyres.
>>
>> Yeah it's an odd one. The owner of my LBS said I had one foot in hell
>> building it up. It's smooth as hell at least. I told myself I wouldn't
>> hesitate if the right Atlantis popped up on this group, and lo and behold
>> one did.
>>
>> The dog isn't mine, it and its friend live near Mission San Juan in south
>> San Antonio and they were happy to follow me and my wife for a bit on the
>> mission trail.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore

George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength,
modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity and ease of
setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front disc/rear rim
brake system.

But I have to say, that disc's Atlantis is really nice!

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:05 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Patrick - I don't think Grant would approve.  But everyone has their own
> preference.  I have a Surly 1x1 with a disc on the front fork and a linear
> pull on the rear.  The reason for that is because when I first bought it
> and had it set up like that it had a fixed/SS flip-flop hub on the rear
> which would have made a disc option impossible.  My experience with fixed
> was short lived, however, and now I just run a single speed sprocket.  I'm
> not sorry that it worked out that way, though, and I like it the way it is.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an
>> Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they
>> eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv
>> Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles
>> was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper
>> brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very
>> light rims to be used if that's of interest.)
>>
>> But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done
>> symmetrically and right.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman 
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most
>>> logical route, it results in a very unique ride!
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>>> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry
>>> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
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[RBW] Re: Trade Feelers - my 2012 48cm Sam Hillborne for 53cm,54cm,55cm Riv?

2024-01-21 Thread Joe Bernard

Posting location will draw folks who want an easy in-person trade. 

Joe Bernard
Lake County CA 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-8 tl4ente...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone out there have a stable and interested in trading 1 for a new whip 
> for their partner?  This one has been well taken care of, in great shape 
> and zero issues just slightly too small for my liking.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore

Or, "baulk."

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
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Re: [RBW] SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore

I have XTRs and XTs and even SPD (mtb-type SPD) Dura Ace, but in my
experience the PD M520 is about the best value in a clipless pedal that you
can find in this galaxy.

Always ask for Shimano SPD and accept no substitutes. I've used non-Shimano
clones and ... nope, choose Shimano.

Patrick Moore, who does hoard a pair of 2-sided  Ti/Mag Xpedias at 250
grams the pair, in ABQ, NM

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> any suggestions?
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Brenton Eastman

Looking forward to updates! I just built a Roadini as well.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>
> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
> be visiting Montreal.
>
> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>
> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, but 
> there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>
> Photos to come in February.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Miles Payton

Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel
tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of
conditions and terrains, dry and wet.

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> Or, "baulk."
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Leah Peterson

Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.LeahOn Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher wrote:If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they haul your stuff and set up your tent. Getting a hotel will likely be nearly impossible, given the number of people attending. I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting it up at night. The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site quickly destroyed my bag. Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead. I tried holding it together with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days. A lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers and I had to haul it myself. Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the luggage service side of the trip. However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with strangers every evening. One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot. It got me off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days. The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone. I'd make sure you have a power bank available. Good luck,MattOn Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Who knows about Bike Film Festival? I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the others?Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many riders moving through tiny host towns.I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.Leah

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Chris Fly

Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't 
even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 

I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I 
have on it.. 

Chris 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>
> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
> be visiting Montreal.
>
> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>
> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, but 
> there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>
> Photos to come in February.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread George Schick

Not to worry, all is not lost.  There's this ride calendar of events in the 
Wolverine 
state: https://lmb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/RideCal_2023_v5_web.pdf


On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading about 
> the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and difficult 
> logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. 
>
> Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread to 
> read in the dead of a Michigan winter.
> Leah
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>
> If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they 
> haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
> nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  
>
>
> I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting 
> it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site 
> quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I 
> had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but 
> tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together 
> with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A 
> lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers 
> and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the 
> luggage service side of the trip.  
>
> However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with 
> strangers every evening.  
>
> One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me off 
> of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days.  
>
> The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you 
> have a power bank available.  
>
> Good luck,
> Matt
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>>
>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>
>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
>> others?
>>
>> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
>> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
>> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
>> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>>
>> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
>> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
>> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Patrick Moore

Thanks; yes, I've heard of these; my brother who has ridden them
extensively thinks very highly of them.

I will add them to my short list of tires for a 2nd dirt-surface wheelset
to complement the Soma Supple Vitesse SLs that ride and handle so nicely on
pavement.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:50 PM Miles Payton  wrote:

> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel
> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of
> conditions and terrains, dry and wet.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> Or, "baulk."
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore 
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>>> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread 'frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch


I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from 
Rivendell. I sold it to a  forum member and he’s the one who added   the 
disc mounts. He listed it for sale not long after that as I remember. I 
still have the original unadulterated fork.
  - Frank 
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> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel 
> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of 
> conditions and terrains, dry and wet. 
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> Or, "baulk."
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>>> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. 
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[RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-21 Thread Piaw Na

If you're not going to do serious single track I highly recommend the 
PD-ES600. https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/review-shimano-pd-es600.html

My friends were really skeptical that it would make any difference compared 
to the venerable and well respected (deservedly so) M520s, but the wings 
and wider platform definitely make these pedals feel much better connected 
than the M520s, and are the first pedals I've tried that I consider a 
significant improvement over the M520s. My biggest issue with them is that 
you have to mount them with an allen wrench instead of having wrench flats. 
Beware though, they're singled sided (which is what makes the connection 
feel so nice --- the design wouldn't have worked with a double-sided pedal, 
I don't think)! But for paved riding they're really awesome.

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> I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals. 
> I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on 
> one of my bikes to do anything but a clip .
> I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's. 
>  
> any suggestions? 
>  
> Benard
>  
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Jay

I hear you 'fourflys', I was undecided before going with the DT and the 
RRSL levers.  My Fargo has brifters and on the mixed-surface, often 
technical trails I ride, it's very handy.  My road bike has brifters.  I 
decided I wanted to try something different, plus I like the idea of them 
being friction, and the simplicity of them (oh, and the lower cost, as I 
didn't have brifters on hand, like I did other parts).  I had DT shifters 
on a bike I built up around 10 years ago and liked them.  This bike will 
mainly be ridden on paved roads, and occasional gravel roads and rail 
trails (80/20), so I'm sure it will be fine.  But once I ride it, we'll see 
how I adjust.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't 
> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 
>
> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I 
> have on it.. 
>
> Chris 
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>
>> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
>> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>>
>> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
>> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
>> be visiting Montreal.
>>
>> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
>> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
>> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
>> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
>> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
>> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>>
>> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
>> but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
>> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
>> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>>
>> Photos to come in February.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Chris Fly

I can see that.. 

Looking forward to the build! 

Chris

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> I hear you 'fourflys', I was undecided before going with the DT and the 
> RRSL levers.  My Fargo has brifters and on the mixed-surface, often 
> technical trails I ride, it's very handy.  My road bike has brifters.  I 
> decided I wanted to try something different, plus I like the idea of them 
> being friction, and the simplicity of them (oh, and the lower cost, as I 
> didn't have brifters on hand, like I did other parts).  I had DT shifters 
> on a bike I built up around 10 years ago and liked them.  This bike will 
> mainly be ridden on paved roads, and occasional gravel roads and rail 
> trails (80/20), so I'm sure it will be fine.  But once I ride it, we'll see 
> how I adjust.
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
>> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
>> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't 
>> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 
>>
>> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I 
>> have on it.. 
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
>>> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>>>
>>> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
>>> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
>>> be visiting Montreal.
>>>
>>> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
>>> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
>>> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
>>> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
>>> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
>>> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>>>
>>> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
>>> but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
>>> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
>>> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>>>
>>> Photos to come in February.  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Jason Fuller

Hey look who it is!  

I thought yer bike was a 53!  

On Sunday 21 January 2024 at 13:11:59 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful, beautiful bike. I’ve been thinking that crank would be just 
> about perfect for an Roaduno.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Brenton Eastman  wrote:
>
> Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size 
> Carradice are those?
>
>
> Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny 
>>> rack is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.
>>>
>>> I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have 
>>> knobbies under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is 
>>> your front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of 
>>> getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have 
>>> thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are 
>>> alternatives.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie  wrote:
>>>
 Hello amigos, 

 This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is 
 my 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a 
 lot of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm 
 looking 
 forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!

 [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
 [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]

 [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

2024-01-21 Thread J S


Jock, I like some like the Hillborne, Saluki, Bleriot. I did try the newer 
longer Atlantis but it was not for me. I did want a Yves Gomez which is 
also not very long but the seller did not want to sell to me. Just as well 
as I found my much sought after Saluki. That is a beautiful bike. I hope 
you find one.
On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
> And  they all having such a good time. 
>
> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
> suppose. 
>
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  wrote:
>
>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>>
>>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
>>> :0) Quite fun! 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>>
>>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 
>>>
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[RBW] TRP RRL Hood Black to Gum

2024-01-21 Thread DTL

Has anyone swapped the hoods?

The gum levers have a 'grey' portion between the hood and the lever - so 
can I assume if I put the gum hoods on originally black / silver levers, I 
would have a gum / black / silver lever?

Has anyone swapped out hoods? Would love to see photos.

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RE: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-21 Thread Bernard Duhon

Thank you for the recommendation
Jan Heine used the  a600s. The difference is the ES600 sawed off a few 
millimeters on the back of the pedal. That shrinks your foot platform.
do you know if there were any other "improvements "between the A600 and the 
Es600

 Thank you for reminding me of these because I had forgotten. I'll try and find 
a new old stock version of the A600
only be using this on pavement, gravel & forest road.


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Behalf Of Piaw Na
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

If you're not going to do serious single track I highly recommend the PD-ES600. 
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/review-shimano-pd-es600.html

My friends were really skeptical that it would make any difference compared to 
the venerable and well respected (deservedly so) M520s, but the wings and wider 
platform definitely make these pedals feel much better connected than the 
M520s, and are the first pedals I've tried that I consider a significant 
improvement over the M520s. My biggest issue with them is that you have to 
mount them with an allen wrench instead of having wrench flats. Beware though, 
they're singled sided (which is what makes the connection feel so nice --- the 
design wouldn't have worked with a double-sided pedal, I don't think)! But for 
paved riding they're really awesome.
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

2024-01-21 Thread Jason Fuller

I am glad to see the B68 back, it'll be my pick if I ever build a more 
upright bike than my current options - I tend to like a pretty upright-ish 
position but still like the bars just above saddle height. If I had the 
space I'd totally build up a Clem with the B68, some nice high bars, and 
some low gears for commuting and errands. 

I will echo that the Hillborne, even the newest upcoming batch, still 
retains a very sensibly short wheelbase. I want to say around 455mm stays 
in my size. Still feels plenty responsive while being much more comfortable 
than bikes with 415-425 stays. 

On Sunday 21 January 2024 at 15:54:09 UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Jock, I like some like the Hillborne, Saluki, Bleriot. I did try the newer 
> longer Atlantis but it was not for me. I did want a Yves Gomez which is 
> also not very long but the seller did not want to sell to me. Just as well 
> as I found my much sought after Saluki. That is a beautiful bike. I hope 
> you find one.
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
>> And  they all having such a good time. 
>>
>> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
>> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
>> suppose. 
>>
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: 
 VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]

 Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
 :0) Quite fun! 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc

 The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
 https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html

 I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
 Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 

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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

2024-01-21 Thread Max S

A different, but related question: 

I mistakenly bought the MTN version of a Shimano bottom bracket (external 
cups) for a recent 105 crank. Comparing to the old (road) BB, it looked to 
me like the only difference was the internal plastic sleeve length. I 
swapped in the old sleeve between the new cups, and that seemed to go in 
fine. Maybe last couple of millimeters were a little tighter than the right 
hand cup, but went in. 

Did I do something that will come back to bite me?.. 

- Max 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Keith, road bike double crank chainline spec is always 43.5mm. Are you 
> measuring between the rings ? 
>
> You may hate me for saying so but it sounds like this crank would be 
> better suited for another frame with at least 135mm spacing. With the big 
> ring that far out on a 130mm spaced road frame, your available cogs(without 
> a lot of friction) diminishes by at least one, likely two. 
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:57:58 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Nick, as I mentioned in my question, I too only have experience with 
>> cranks that take spacers between the arm and the cup.  It makes more sense 
>> that way, but this bb definitely seems to require spacers next to the 
>> shell.  That's how it was assembled when it arrived.  I just cant figure 
>> out why it's asymmetrical.  Ive now learned that, even with a 73mm shell,  
>> it would still require a single 2.5mm spacer on the drive side, UNLESS 
>> there was a bb-mounted deraileur or bash gauard plate.  But you'd think the 
>> crank arms would be shaped to compensate for that.  
>>
>> As set up in my photo, I have a 50mm chainline.  Sheldon says a road 
>> double should be 47mm, so that's another reason not to add more spacers on 
>> that side.
>>
>> You probably had the best idea though.  I guess I'll take a dremel to the 
>> non-drive-side arm or spidel end, so it can slide inward a few more 
>> millimeters and at least be symmetrical.  
>>
>> It'll still be wider than necessary, but I'm not Q- factor sensitive, 
>> fortunately.  I guess this is really intended as a mtb crank, even though 
>> it doesn't say that on soma's or interloc's website?
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I mostly take the number of spacers they recommend and arrange them in 
>>> whjatever fashion creates the best chainline for the bike. 
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:26:56 AM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 I’m going to stick with the spacers going as shown in the exploded view 
 - spacers going between the cup and the BB shell.  
 You’re absolutely right on the prep work.  Both bikes were chased, but 
 the Soma was not faced… probably why it gets by with the spacer stack 
 slightly smaller.



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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-21 Thread Leah Peterson

George is right. I wonder if those wheelman will let a raspberry racing Platypus and its non-self-sufficient rider on any of their rides. Here’s to new adventures! Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 21, 2024, at 5:11 PM, George Schick wrote:Not to worry, all is not lost. There's this ride calendar of events in the Wolverine state: https://lmb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/RideCal_2023_v5_web.pdfOn Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.LeahOn Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher wrote:If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they haul your stuff and set up your tent. Getting a hotel will likely be nearly impossible, given the number of people attending. I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting it up at night. The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site quickly destroyed my bag. Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead. I tried holding it together with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days. A lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers and I had to haul it myself. Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the luggage service side of the trip. However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with strangers every evening. One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot. It got me off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days. The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone. I'd make sure you have a power bank available. Good luck,MattOn Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Who knows about Bike Film Festival? I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the others?Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many riders moving through tiny host towns.I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.Leah

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Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

2024-01-21 Thread Richard Rose

Thanks for the official word. I’d decided on my own not to post. I do understand. Thanks.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 21, 2024, at 1:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:Thanks to those who already responded, but putting on my admin cap:>2019 Ibis Mojo 3This would be solidly outside of the selling guidelines for this group. Plenty of other places to find an excited buyer for that. - JOn Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv content? My Gus has taken it’s place.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve wrote:You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?SteveOn Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike here.On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose wrote:I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

2024-01-21 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

I recommend using the A600 if you can find them, because (similar to most
road pedals) they return to the upright position with the pedal
perpendicular to the ground, so you can clip in without looking.  The ES600
spins 360, so the pedal can be upside down or any which way when you go to
clip back in, so you might need to rotate the pedal 180 degrees into the
correct position when you clip in.

With that said, I still chose the ES600 when I replaced my Look Keo pedals,
so I can walk around more comfortably and can live with the extra effort
when I clip in.

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Piaw Na

I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat my 
Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so 
shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in. 
But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the 
lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light 
as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard 
climbs. It hasn't disappointed.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated 
> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT 
> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't 
> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice! 
>
> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I 
> have on it.. 
>
> Chris 
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>
>> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
>> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>>
>> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
>> sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
>> be visiting Montreal.
>>
>> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
>> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
>> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
>> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
>> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
>> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>>
>> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, 
>> but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
>> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
>> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>>
>> Photos to come in February.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

2024-01-21 Thread Todd G

Disc brakes on this era of Atlantis make me very happy! So good!



On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:19:56 PM UTC-8 frank_a wrote:

>
> I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from 
> Rivendell. I sold it to a  forum member and he’s the one who added   the 
> disc mounts. He listed it for sale not long after that as I remember. I 
> still have the original unadulterated fork.
>   - Frank 
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 4:50:28 PM UTC-5 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel 
>> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of 
>> conditions and terrains, dry and wet. 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Or, "baulk."
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Two pairs of the new MUSA shorts sz. L & a Woolywarm wool jersey sz. XL

2024-01-21 Thread Daniel Rooke

Amending prices to $60 for either pair of shorts and the jersey is $65 
shipped.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:00:08 PM UTC-7 Daniel Rooke wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have one Black and one Ranger Green pair of the new MUSA shorts for 
> sale. Two small marks on the right rear pocket of the green shorts.  Both 
> are size large and weren't worn much.
>  
> $70 for the black and $65 for the green or $110 for both.
>
> The Woolywarm jersey is navy merino wool and no size tag so I'll provide 
> the measurements below.  It's in excellent condition.  I never wore it but 
> bought it from someone else, although it looks almost new. Maybe they 
> didn't wear it either?  It's really, really nice and if it fit me I'd keep 
> it.  
>
> Armpit to armpit: 22"
> Collar to hem: 30"
> Collar to end of the short sleeve is 14"
>
> All prices include shipping.
>
> If you want everything let's say $160.
>
> Thanks
>
> Photos 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

2024-01-21 Thread exliontamer

Nice! Curious what your saddle height is in the photos. I'm maybe about to 
pull the trigger and am on the fence between the 57 & 61. 

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 4:34:53 PM UTC-6 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to all the advice and guidance from folks here on my second 
> Rivendell build! Turns out there are quite a few folks with a "Country 
> Bike" that also went for a +1 Roadini. 
>
> I've set up my 2017 Sam Hillborne several different ways; first it was 
> drops+road focused, then it was a Riv 1.0 camping basket bike, then it got 
> lighter wheels and no basket, then flat bars and knobbies, then it lost 
> it's F+R racks, fenders have come and gone, and in each phase it's been 
> "perfect". 
>
> I just *wanted* a +1 and the +1 was to be lighter and faster. Months ago 
> I was looking at 90s racing and sport tourers as cheaper alternatives to a 
> Roadini, perhaps also lighter, and less well rounded, and more definitively 
> alternative to my Sam. I test rode some: Specialized Sequoia, Waterford 22 
> Series, Bridgestone RB1. Nothing felt like the right move. I was being 
> patient, doing the research, etc, when a Roadini frameset in my size and my 
> preferred color was posted here, and the owner Lived 2 hours away. Let's go.
>
> Using Sam's lighter wheelset, former drop bar cockpit, and a few other 
> parts bin items, I was able to keep the entire build within my budget. I 
> bought a lot of NOS and pre-owned components for great prices. Stoked. I'm 
> happy with how it came out. There's a whole bunch of component 
> interchangeability with these two bikes, which *may* come in handy some 
> day. Weather in PNW has been bad for riding, good for wrenching. I still 
> haven't ridden it yet. 
>
> The only thing I was not stoked on was the Ultegra FD inner cage plate 
> rubbed the middle ring when shifting to big ring. It was already up 
> high-ish to not hit the chainstay. So now it's even higher out of 
> necessity. It bothers me a lil bit. Bars and seat height+angle subject to 
> change after test ride. Right now the drops swing just under the top tube 
> to avoid dings.
>
> [image: LM000884.jpeg]
> [image: LM000881.jpeg]
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> [image: LM000883.jpeg]
> [image: LM000887.jpeg]
>
> Build List:
> 57cm Roadini Sergio Green
> Nitto Noodle 48cm bars
> Nitto Tallux 8cm stem
> Shimano Tiagra levers
> Blue Lug cotton tape (not as long as newbaums)
> Tektro R559 brakes
> Nissen clear housing
> Velocity Dyad 32H, Deore w/11-32, SP front hub
> Ultradynamico Cava 700x42
> Sugino XD2 46/36/24
> Ultegra 6500 FD + RD
> Suntour Superbe DT shifters
> Wellgo Pedals with *gasp *cages
> Brooks C17 seat
> King bottle cages
> A few brass bling bits from Riv + Blue Lug
>
>
>
>
>

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