[RBW] Re: Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[velomann]

I'm a big fan of North Street bags. I've used their Route Panniers for a 
couple thousand miles of touring and they have held up really well (Shawn, 
I think I bought them on your recommendation), and I have a Belmont 
backpack I use all the time. I had a Woodward backpack I picked up used in 
like-new condition and I really loved the design and features except...no 
matter what bike or rear rack I put it on or how far back I mounted it, I 
could not avoid a small amount of heel strike, whether I was riding with 
platform pedals or clipped in. It kind of drove me crazy, and I eventually 
sold the pack, disappointed it hadn't worked better for me. 
I imagine it would work great on a bike with longer chainstays, or for 
someone with smaller shoes (but I only wear 10.5).
On the other hand, Carolyn Whelan just gave it a great review in the latest 
issue of Adventure Cycling magazine.

Mike M

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 4:14:02 PM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
> I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in 
> April (400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from 
> the airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all 
> the hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist 
> fashion and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It 
> will be a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward 
> backpack pannier seems like one of the better options out there for having 
> a carry-on that can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear 
> rack. Does anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? 
> Thanks in advance.
> Robert Blunt 
> Pennington, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: REI "Microlite" insulated stainless steel water bottles with full cover over spout

[Roberta]

Thanks, Patrick! That looks like a really nice water bottle and it’s bigger 
than most. I couldn’t resist the red Dahlia color to match all the red 
hearts on my Betty Foy. I didn’t realize I had REI points so this cost me 
less than five dollars Roberta.

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 11:04:38 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's hard to find water bottles with lids that cover the entire drinking 
> area but this is one and it's a particularly nice on. And it's on sale.
>
> The only defect is that the locking mech is all plastic, but mine have 
> held up well for 5+ years. It does keep beverages hot for a few hours in 
> cold temps, at least in the ~30 to 40 degree range.
>
>
> https://www.rei.com/product/232074/gsi-outdoors-microlite-720-flip-vacuum-water-bottle-24-fl-oz
>
> BTW, if anyone knows where to find regular uninsulated plastic 
> waterbottles with the full-cover flip-up lid, please let me know. They used 
> to be quite common but I've not been able to find any recently and I'm down 
> to my last one. I use these in warmer weather.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: REI "Microlite" insulated stainless steel water bottles with full cover over spout

[bertin753]

Whoops, I got confused. The REI bottles are insulated stainless steel, not plastic. I have both these and the Elites.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 28, 2024, at 10:48 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Thanks, Benz; I have a couple of the Elite ones and yes, they're very thin but they have that all-important full-cover lid. I wish I could find some of the old ones, typical waterbottle style except for the hinged full-cover lids.On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 9:00 AM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA  wrote:On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:BTW, if anyone knows where to find regular uninsulated plastic waterbottles with the full-cover flip-up lid, please let me know. They used to be quite common but I've not been able to find any recently and I'm down to my last one. I use these in warmer weather.Elite makes these in 950mL, 750mL and 550mL variants: https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-fly-mtb-black-water-bottle-optionsThese bottles have super thin walls that feel a little like disposable water bottles and not at all like normal water bottles one can get from bike shops. I have them but not long enough to assess overall durability.Elite also offers an insulated version, but I don't have any experience with that: https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-ice-fly-water-bottle-500ml-various-colors



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Re: [RBW] Sit Bone Width and Saddles

[Josiah Anderson]

Hi Jay,

If you like leather saddles but a B17 is (maybe) too wide, have you tried a
Brooks Professional? The construction is similar but they're about 15mm
narrower than a B17, IIRC. The Idéale 90 and Berthoud Galibier are also
both nice narrower leather saddles. The Pro and 90 are my two favorite
saddles for a "road bike" (less-upright) position.

Josiah


Le mer. 28 févr. 2024 à 5:45 PM, Jay  a écrit :

> I'll preface this by saying I know saddles are highly subjective, and what
> works for one may not work fo you.  What I wanted to ask about is "general
> thinking".  Just wanting to confirm some thoughts I've had about this...
>
> My sit bones are 125mm apart.  I've had them measured a few times.  This
> is when I'm sitting upright.  I believe general rule is the more upright
> you are on the bike, the wider you go with the saddle (e.g., if I'm 90
> degrees/straight up, add a few cm; aero, maybe just one cm).  Any other
> logic to share with respect to sit bones and saddle width?
>
> My saddle is level with tops of my bars (on two of three bikes).  This
> puts me in a comfortable position, maybe 60 degrees when I'm in the hoods.
> All three bikes have drop bars, but only the older road bike has bars below
> the saddle.  My neck and upper back feel great in this position, and I've
> previously had issues in this area, so that's a victory.
>
> I'm still dialing in my Roadini, but for now I have a WTB Silverado on
> there (135 wide).  It's maybe a little narrow, but I've done 2hr rides and
> felt fine (pedalling is not impeded at all, and it's comfortable in the
> nether regions).  Feels like my sit bones are close to the edge but I can
> feel around there and know there is just enough room to spare.  I've had
> that same saddle on another bike and that was also fine.  Not a big fan of
> the edges on that saddle, as it's very flat across and feels like it's
> digging in a bit (a cm further out than my sit bones), but I'm trying to
> sort that out and not really my point with this post (just sharing for
> context).  Reason I went with this 135mm saddle is my previous 147mm
> Prologo felt too wide, and the cut out was digging in the nether regions.
> So I tried something more narrow and I no longer get that discomfort.
>
> I do have a Brooks B17, and I've had one before on an older bike, and a
> few other leather saddles over the years.  What's attracted me to them is
> that I rarely got any friction or chafing, or sit bone pain.  I do set them
> up, nose up, so rear of the saddle is flat and I'm not sliding forward.
>
> However, the B17 is 35mm wider than the WTB, and 45mm wider than my sit
> bones, so I'm wondering if this saddle make sense for me...and anyone else
> with similar 'specs'. I've read/watched reviews where much bigger folks
> love the saddle (some hate it too, but that's maybe about
> leather/hardness).  Some of the reviews are from people who say their sit
> bones are 150+ apart.  That gives them 10mm on either side, vs. my 22.5mm
> per side.  I realize how we sit on the saddle, torso angle, etc., are
> different, but generally speaking...like do skinny people or those with
> somewhat narrow sit bones get along great with this saddle?  If so, is
> there a set up trick for them, that is different than someone with much
> wider sit bones?  I would say my problem with it is pedalling freedom, and
> not feeling impeded by the size of the saddle, the skirt, etc.  I can't say
> for sure that's my problem with it, just giving a theory.
>
> I'll pause there, as I'll likely get some good questions/comments and can
> take it from there.  Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[Josiah Anderson]

I want to jump in here on one of my pet issues: "squishy" brakes are *not*
a problem provided they still stop well, and squish can be indicative of
good braking. If they feel stiff, all that means is that you don't have as
much mechanical advantage as you could, because of design or setup. If more
mechanical advantage is added, the pads and possibly the calipers WILL
squish, no matter what. It will feel "mushy" and there will be more power.
The best brakes I've ever used were v-brakes operated by short-pull levers,
which required very true wheels and felt extremely soft, but provided truly
impressive braking thanks to the high MA at both the lever and brake. That
was the setup that taught me that squishy brakes can be good.

Soft-feeling brakes also often allow for better modulation than a binary
"on-off" brake feeling. In a very stiff-feeling brake system, there is
minimal difference in braking power between just barely engaging the brake
and yanking as hard as you can, because the lever stops moving in a very
defined spot and no amount of force that human hands can apply will move it
farther, so the pads don't grip the rim any harder either. That is the
definition of a "stiff" feel; you can't get around that, only improve it
with more MA (and a softer brake feel). This means that the initial "bite"
needs to be very strong, which is the opposite of what I want from a brake.
I want to have control over exactly how much braking I get, from "very
little" to "STOP RIGHT NOW" and everywhere in between. Good centerpulls
absolutely can provide that, and the "squish" that you may feel is simply
the feeling of good modulation.

However, if the "soft" feeling is from the caliper flexing (like Tektro
559s do), that is not desirable, because the lever travel is just moving
the brake and not the pads. Those brakes have a relatively low MA (and low
usefulness as brakes) because if it were higher they would flex even worse.
Maybe this phenomenon is the root of the misunderstanding; if squishy
long-reach-sidepulls were the only soft-feeling brakes I'd experienced,
then I would probably shoot for stiffness too.

I hope that all makes sense and is helpful.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula MT

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:06:12 PM UTC-5 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Christian thanks for all your thoughts! To answer a couple of your
>> questions:
>>
>> *Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? *
>> I was looking at the Rene Herse cps. I'd be looking to run 44's, but 42's
>> seem to be more intended for the Bleriot
>> . The Rene Herse are
>> for sure pricey, and I will be spending a bit as it is with the frame
>> builder mods. However, they state they have the clearance for 42s and
>> fenders. I have a pair of dia-compe canti's
>> 
>> I love on another bicycle, so much so I put a pair on my girlfriend's
>> bicycle. On that note: @Patrick - I've gotten pretty comfy now at setting
>> up canti's with drop bars. Specifically the dia-comps. It's all about
>> getting that straddle wire set up in the right position. I have done it
>> poorly on other pairs of cantis and been called out by real mechanics haha.
>>
>> *Will you be using fenders? *
>> Potentially. I see most of these tours happening in summer and hopefully
>> some that require a flight in the nearish future. I'd probably snag a pair
>> of SKS for easy mounting and peace of mind when flying. not so much of a
>> big deal if my plastic fenders get damaged instead of banging up a nice
>> pair of honjos!
>>
>> *Are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs (racks, lights
>> etc)?*
>> If I did canti's I would likely get a Nitto M12 and attach it to the
>> brakes. I do plan on having low rider pannier attachments put on for a
>> nitto s rack
>> 
>> .
>>
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:17 PM christian poppell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Kyle!
>>>
>>> I have used cantilevers and direct mounted centerpulls (MAFAC RAID with
>>> new Rene Herse hardware). If I could do it over I would have installed
>>> cantilevers. The downsides for centerpulls for me are modulation, fender
>>> fitting, and braze on locations on the fork.
>>>
>>> Modulation - The MAFAC RAID brakes feel more squishy to me, even after
>>> adding a brake booster to the rear. Also, despite my best efforts, I have
>>> not been able to eliminate the howling from the rear brake. I threw
>>> everything at them, new bushings, toe in washers, salmon pads, black
>>> compound pads, sanded and filed the pads, sanded the rims, rode and braked
>>> in the rain and in the dirt. Nothing has stopped the howl.
>>>
>>> Fender fitting - There would be a lot more room to mount fenders and
>>> large tires with cantilevers. Honjo h80s rub on the inside of the
>>> centerpull arms. 

[RBW] Re: Garage Sale Part 2/2 - Nitto, Wheels, Paul, Dura-Ace, Riv Clothing, & More!

[Armand Kizirian]

Bump! Lots of goods still for sale. 

Riv Hat is sold. 

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 4:34:14 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Hey everyone, 
>
> *Some final goods to clear from the last bit from my recent bike builds. 
> Prices include shipping unless otherwise noted. Light discounts for 
> multiple purchases. Check all the photos HERE 
> !
>  
> Buy my stuff! Make my Platypus complete!*
>
>- Platypus Complete 700c/29er wheels! I'm very impressed by this 
>handsome wheelset. Silky smooth hubs, fun black/silver alternating spoke 
>nipples, bulletproof Alex DM24 rims, WITH excellent Soma Shikoro 700x48 
>tires! I'll throw in the quick release skewers too. How's $400 + cheapest 
>shipping via pirateship sound?
>   - Soma Shikoro tires available separately if you really want them 
>   - Paul Moon Units - Purple - Used for about 30 miles, light marks 
>on edges of backside nut. $45 
>- Paul Love Levers - Compact - Black - new in box (long pull) - $150 
>- NOS Dura-Ace FD-7703 Triple front derailleur, 28.6 clamp - Gorgeous 
>and new! $120 
>- Nitto Tallux Stem - 25.4 clamp - 90mm - Brand new, never touched a 
>bike - $80 
>- Maxxis 26 x 2.3” DTH Tires - Less than 25 miles - Ultra rare light 
>skin tanwall that has been out of production for several years - 
>lightweight, smooth rolling, and great looking - $75 pair
>- Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
>$180+ to your door - $160 
>- FSA Duron X 1" threaded Headset - came stock on my Platypus - 
>visible parts look new, non-visible parts are slightly chewed from 
> removal, 
>headset spacers included - $35 
>- Ornot Mini handlebar bag + seat bag - fun “nordic” color - new w/ 
>tags - $60
>- Brooks Dalston Medium lime-olive backpack - new in bag and very 
>stylish/handsome/well-made - costs $207 new - $100 
>- Pletscher Edge Kickstand - signs of use, hard to find - $25 
>
>
> *With purchase of any other item: *
>
>- Gran Compe roller straddle cable hangars - new pair - $20
>- Nitto 26.0-25.4 shim - $10 
>- Vintage middleburn crank extractor caps/bolts - $10
>
> *Clothing: *
>
>- Men's Search and state s1-j waterproof cycling jacket made in new 
>york. Medium. Like new, only a few rides on it. Incredible jacket with the 
>Schoeller c-change fabric. $285 new. The most breathable waterproof jacket 
>I've ever experienced by far. Don't use it enough. $165
>- Rivendell Royal & gold hat - New, sold out, no button top - $45 
>- Rivendell Grey Long Sleeve Shirt - Reject trends and progress - size 
>medium, worn once, still has new shirt scent - $40 
>- Ornot tech shirts - size medium (fits like a small) dark grey and 
>“mars” red - very unique fabric - $40 for 2 
>- Mission Workshop Torre Merino Wool Hoodie Black - size medium - 
>Midweight 100% merino wool sweater, amazing piece in excellent condition 
>but a very trim fit, would recommend it if you are a small/extra small 
>looking for a regular/loose fit or are a medium but want an on-the-body 
> fit 
>- $100 
>
> *Check all the photos HERE 
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>  
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[RBW] Sit Bone Width and Saddles

[Jay]

I'll preface this by saying I know saddles are highly subjective, and what 
works for one may not work fo you.  What I wanted to ask about is "general 
thinking".  Just wanting to confirm some thoughts I've had about this...

My sit bones are 125mm apart.  I've had them measured a few times.  This is 
when I'm sitting upright.  I believe general rule is the more upright you 
are on the bike, the wider you go with the saddle (e.g., if I'm 90 
degrees/straight up, add a few cm; aero, maybe just one cm).  Any other 
logic to share with respect to sit bones and saddle width?

My saddle is level with tops of my bars (on two of three bikes).  This puts 
me in a comfortable position, maybe 60 degrees when I'm in the hoods.  All 
three bikes have drop bars, but only the older road bike has bars below the 
saddle.  My neck and upper back feel great in this position, and I've 
previously had issues in this area, so that's a victory.

I'm still dialing in my Roadini, but for now I have a WTB Silverado on 
there (135 wide).  It's maybe a little narrow, but I've done 2hr rides and 
felt fine (pedalling is not impeded at all, and it's comfortable in the 
nether regions).  Feels like my sit bones are close to the edge but I can 
feel around there and know there is just enough room to spare.  I've had 
that same saddle on another bike and that was also fine.  Not a big fan of 
the edges on that saddle, as it's very flat across and feels like it's 
digging in a bit (a cm further out than my sit bones), but I'm trying to 
sort that out and not really my point with this post (just sharing for 
context).  Reason I went with this 135mm saddle is my previous 147mm 
Prologo felt too wide, and the cut out was digging in the nether regions. 
 So I tried something more narrow and I no longer get that discomfort.

I do have a Brooks B17, and I've had one before on an older bike, and a few 
other leather saddles over the years.  What's attracted me to them is that 
I rarely got any friction or chafing, or sit bone pain.  I do set them up, 
nose up, so rear of the saddle is flat and I'm not sliding forward.  

However, the B17 is 35mm wider than the WTB, and 45mm wider than my sit 
bones, so I'm wondering if this saddle make sense for me...and anyone else 
with similar 'specs'. I've read/watched reviews where much bigger folks 
love the saddle (some hate it too, but that's maybe about 
leather/hardness).  Some of the reviews are from people who say their sit 
bones are 150+ apart.  That gives them 10mm on either side, vs. my 22.5mm 
per side.  I realize how we sit on the saddle, torso angle, etc., are 
different, but generally speaking...like do skinny people or those with 
somewhat narrow sit bones get along great with this saddle?  If so, is 
there a set up trick for them, that is different than someone with much 
wider sit bones?  I would say my problem with it is pedalling freedom, and 
not feeling impeded by the size of the saddle, the skirt, etc.  I can't say 
for sure that's my problem with it, just giving a theory.

I'll pause there, as I'll likely get some good questions/comments and can 
take it from there.  Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Kyle said  " I was looking at the Rene Herse cps."  

I have the RH CP's and I don't think they are all they are advertised and 
are not worth their high price.
The pads are extremely difficult to adjust and RH does not provide a tool 
to hold them in place during adjustment
The brakes don't seem much better than the Dia Comp 610/750s I used on 
another bike.
The 'quick release' design, squeeze the return spring arm and move it off 
the caliper, is an invitation to prick your fingers and hand.  
RH does not sell the small washer for the straddle cable movement, unless 
you pay $115 for a complete hardware set.

IMHO, I would use a pair of Dia Compes, just buy new springs.  Other 
posters have used the their existing bolt on ones and removed the arms from 
the yoke.  RBW could probably tell you which model, 610 or 750, fits the 
Beloit.

If you are using 42/44 mm tires, you will need a 62mm wide fender to obtain 
the 1.4 ratio of fender width/tire width Jan Heine recommends.  A 62mm 
fender requires indenting at the fork crown and possible seatstays.   A 
38mm tire and a 52mm fender gives an adequate 1.37 ratio and should clear 
the fork crown.

Just my 2c

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:06:12 PM UTC-5 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Christian thanks for all your thoughts! To answer a couple of your 
> questions:
>
> *Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? *
> I was looking at the Rene Herse cps. I'd be looking to run 44's, but 42's 
> seem to be more intended for the Bleriot 
> . The Rene Herse are 
> for sure pricey, and I will be spending a bit as it is with the frame 
> builder mods. However, they state they have the clearance for 42s and 
> fenders. I have a pair of dia-compe canti's 
>  
> I love on another bicycle, so much so I put a pair on my girlfriend's 
> bicycle. On that note: @Patrick - I've gotten pretty comfy now at setting 
> up canti's with drop bars. Specifically the dia-comps. It's all about 
> getting that straddle wire set up in the right position. I have done it 
> poorly on other pairs of cantis and been called out by real mechanics haha.
>
> *Will you be using fenders? *
> Potentially. I see most of these tours happening in summer and hopefully 
> some that require a flight in the nearish future. I'd probably snag a pair 
> of SKS for easy mounting and peace of mind when flying. not so much of a 
> big deal if my plastic fenders get damaged instead of banging up a nice 
> pair of honjos!
>
> *Are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs (racks, lights 
> etc)?*
> If I did canti's I would likely get a Nitto M12 and attach it to the 
> brakes. I do plan on having low rider pannier attachments put on for a 
> nitto s rack 
> 
> .
>
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:17 PM christian poppell  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Kyle! 
>>
>> I have used cantilevers and direct mounted centerpulls (MAFAC RAID with 
>> new Rene Herse hardware). If I could do it over I would have installed 
>> cantilevers. The downsides for centerpulls for me are modulation, fender 
>> fitting, and braze on locations on the fork. 
>>
>> Modulation - The MAFAC RAID brakes feel more squishy to me, even after 
>> adding a brake booster to the rear. Also, despite my best efforts, I have 
>> not been able to eliminate the howling from the rear brake. I threw 
>> everything at them, new bushings, toe in washers, salmon pads, black 
>> compound pads, sanded and filed the pads, sanded the rims, rode and braked 
>> in the rain and in the dirt. Nothing has stopped the howl. 
>>
>> Fender fitting - There would be a lot more room to mount fenders and 
>> large tires with cantilevers. Honjo h80s rub on the inside of the 
>> centerpull arms. If you want to go above 42mm tire with fenders I would go 
>> cantilever.
>>
>> Post location on the fork - Not a deal breaker but the posts are mounted 
>> really close to the fork crown. Its more of an aesthetic thing for me. In 
>> fact, its probably better as it moves the posts into the HAZ of the fork 
>> crown/blade joint
>>
>> Brian Chapman has some of the best reference images for how large tires, 
>> large fenders, and direct mount centerpulls should look. 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/35900124245/in/photostream/
>>
>> Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? Will you be 
>> using fenders? are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs 
>> (racks, lights etc) ?
>>
>> Good Luck! 
>> Christian
>> Phoenix, AZ
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> good question. I would think the brakes would play a part, but the 
>>> previous owner was running paul center pulls and 48s - I don't think the 
>>> frame could 

Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Robert Blunt]

Thanks everyone for the input. The 32 liter size and good reviews has
convinced me to purchase the North St. Bags Woodward. Disciplining myself
to take only necessities is going to be the biggest challenge I think. I am
absolutely stoked to see Dutch cycling infrastructure. I am getting picked
up from the Amsterdam airport and heading straight to the bike shop, pick
up the touring bike I am renting, and get the first 40k out of the way so
the backpack pannier makes sense for this sort of scenario. Thanks again.
Best,
Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 2:37 PM Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all-
>
> I've used North St Bags for several years, both their more basic panniers
> and also a convertible backpack/pannier of theirs, an older model I
> believe. I used a set of regular North St panniers and the convertible with
> its non-converting mate (I had them made custom) on several tours in the
> earlier teens, including a four-month odyssey across the continent. North
> St. bags are well made and Curtis stands behind them, repairing them if
> needed.
>
> I feel that their convertible bag was the best of the type: works great as
> a pannier and good (though not great) as a backpack. I like how the pannier
> hooks were hidden in "backpack" mode, no worries about them digging into
> your back or having some "extra" thing you have to either add or remove to
> make it work as a backpack. I say it works "good" as a backpack because the
> pannier stiffener means the bag won't contour to your back, so it's good
> for more limited use--I definitely felt the "stiff board" for prolonged
> periods of use. Also, North St. uses the simple "hook and bungee" pannier
> mounting system--simple and easy to repair, but not as secure as Ortlieb
> locking style mounts.
>
> I don't have my convertible bag anymore as my needs shifted. But I don't
> regret having one.
>
> Best,
> Shawn in The Portland
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50

[Dorothy C]

Will stated recently that the R50 is discontinued, so grab one while you 
can if you want one. 

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 4:39:31 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Ben's got it at a very good price. 
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-r50-quick-release-saddle-bag-supporter-bag_part_nitto__870-179-11/p
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Once upon a time I had a couple of these but swung towards carring my 
>> cargo upfront on my bikes for a few years. Now I'm back on the rear 
>> saddlebag train and want to grab one of these for my Ram. Riv is out of 
>> stock...
>>
>> Anyone holding?
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
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Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Shawn Granton]

Hey all-

I've used North St Bags for several years, both their more basic panniers 
and also a convertible backpack/pannier of theirs, an older model I 
believe. I used a set of regular North St panniers and the convertible with 
its non-converting mate (I had them made custom) on several tours in the 
earlier teens, including a four-month odyssey across the continent. North 
St. bags are well made and Curtis stands behind them, repairing them if 
needed.  

I feel that their convertible bag was the best of the type: works great as 
a pannier and good (though not great) as a backpack. I like how the pannier 
hooks were hidden in "backpack" mode, no worries about them digging into 
your back or having some "extra" thing you have to either add or remove to 
make it work as a backpack. I say it works "good" as a backpack because the 
pannier stiffener means the bag won't contour to your back, so it's good 
for more limited use--I definitely felt the "stiff board" for prolonged 
periods of use. Also, North St. uses the simple "hook and bungee" pannier 
mounting system--simple and easy to repair, but not as secure as Ortlieb 
locking style mounts.

I don't have my convertible bag anymore as my needs shifted. But I don't 
regret having one.

Best,
Shawn in The Portland

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: REI "Microlite" insulated stainless steel water bottles with full cover over spout

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Benz; I have a couple of the Elite ones and yes, they're very thin
but they have that all-important full-cover lid. I wish I could find some
of the old ones, typical waterbottle style except for the hinged full-cover
lids.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 9:00 AM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
benzouy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> BTW, if anyone knows where to find regular uninsulated plastic
> waterbottles with the full-cover flip-up lid, please let me know. They used
> to be quite common but I've not been able to find any recently and I'm down
> to my last one. I use these in warmer weather.
>
>
> Elite makes these in 950mL, 750mL and 550mL variants:
> https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-fly-mtb-black-water-bottle-options
>
> These bottles have super thin walls that feel a little like disposable
> water bottles and not at all like normal water bottles one can get from
> bike shops. I have them but not long enough to assess overall durability.
>
> Elite also offers an insulated version, but I don't have any experience
> with that:
> https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-ice-fly-water-bottle-500ml-various-colors
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Re: [RBW] Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick: i just have the Bivo in the pop-spout type. They are a little 
funky with the air straw thing, but I like them. I am careful not to leave 
water in them over a period of days because the lid/straw is finicky to 
clean. 

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 6:02:29 PM UTC-6 rus...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_0364.jpeg]K
>
> My choices: King cages and Polar water bottles, both made in Colorado. 
>
> Russell Duncan
> Western Massachusetts 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 11:14:33 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Actually, those Arundels look very possible since the design would 
>> readily expand to accept slightly oversized bottles like the REI Microlite. 
>> Must look into those.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:27 AM Caroline Golum  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gonna throw my hat in the ring for the Arundel stainless steel cage, 
>>> which I've had for 10+ years without a hitch. And it's slightly adjustable 
>>> as the steel has some give to it. I've put whole bottles of wine in there, 
>>> iced coffee cups, my regular Yeti, etc. 
>>> https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/arundel-stainless-steel-bottle-cage?adl=1_source=1=CjwKCAiArfauBhApEiwAeoB7qJY2LE6AjEPFs4ISofj1-YeVOCe5M2K-Uf8yY8I5FzTODM30xouNXhoCtb8QAvD_BwE
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 5:53:34 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 Salsa Nickless Cage is my favorite.  Kind of a copy of the Nitto R, 
 with fatter tubing and a lot cheaper.
 On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:28:52 PM UTC-7 wats...@umn.edu wrote:

> I've settled on Nitto R cages and Bivo water bottles. I like this 
> combo; no rattle yet. 
>
> I have both the insulated and uninsulated bivos that I swap depending 
> on weather. It's nice to not have ice cold water on cold days in 
> Minneapolis. 
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:22 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> King Iris, Delta INOX, VO Touriste… all the same basic design but at 
>> varying price points. Personally, I have the INOX cages on all my bikes. 
>> They don’t have the shiny finish of the King, or VO versions. Most 
>> people 
>> ask me if they are titanium, but they are just stainless.
>>
>> I use the Kleen Kanteen classic stainless bottles with them, and it 
>> looks classy and doesn’t rattle.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2024, at 12:23 AM, Adam Moss  wrote:
>>
>> +1 for king cages and I’ve recently discovered Bivo water bottles. 
>> They’re excellent and silent. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> + 1 Iris. Simple, indestructible, elegant shape,
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:07 PM John Rinker  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've enjoyed the Iris King cages 
 .
  
 Very secure and quite elegant looking.
 [image: Screen Shot 2024-02-25 at 8.06.35 PM.png]
 Cheers, John


 On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 7:52:55 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com 
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> These have worked well for me. Adjustable fit to keep the bottle 
> firmly in place.
>
> [image: cfff0946e78b4f4406f14619c8cbfea9.jpeg]
>
> Mojave Water Bottle Cage 
> 
> velo-orange.com 
> 
> 
>  
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Feb 25, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Bernard Duhon <
> ber...@bernardduhon.com> wrote:
>
> Mates, 
>  
> I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle.  Most folks 
> with em I noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.
>  
> Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any 
> composition)  
>  
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[RBW] Re: PSA: REI "Microlite" insulated stainless steel water bottles with full cover over spout

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:


BTW, if anyone knows where to find regular uninsulated plastic waterbottles 
with the full-cover flip-up lid, please let me know. They used to be quite 
common but I've not been able to find any recently and I'm down to my last 
one. I use these in warmer weather.


Elite makes these in 950mL, 750mL and 550mL 
variants: 
https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-fly-mtb-black-water-bottle-options

These bottles have super thin walls that feel a little like disposable 
water bottles and not at all like normal water bottles one can get from 
bike shops. I have them but not long enough to assess overall durability.

Elite also offers an insulated version, but I don't have any experience 
with that: 
https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-ice-fly-water-bottle-500ml-various-colors

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Matthew Williams]

Sam Hillborne DTT, one owner!
60cm
2450
San Francisco, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7721166128.html

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Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Michael Ullmer]

Hi Robert,

I used the North St Backpack Pannier for a few years and really liked the 
design and versatility. If I was ever going to go back to a 
pannier/backpack setup, this would be first on my list of bags to use. 
Highly recommended!

On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 8:12:34 AM UTC-6 matthew...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> PS - I'm happy to provide some photos later if you'd like a reference on 
> them.
>
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 9:11:25 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of their panniers as well as a trunk bag and a hip pack 
>> from them. I daily wear the hip pack and it's pretty worse for wear after 
>> one year but I beat the ever living crap out of it (it's their ecopak 
>> material.) I've had two of the Route Panniers 24L bags for probably 2-3 
>> years now for commuting to work and they've been great, made of cordura. I 
>> can't attest to their durability on a grueling tour but I really like them 
>> and haven't had any excessive wear or leaks. Their customer service is also 
>> fantastic and very responsive. 
>>
>> On another note: Last year they sent out a 3rd party survey and I decided 
>> to fill it out on a whim. At the end of it, it asked if I had anything else 
>> I'd like to mention. I told them I was in the market for a nice trunk bag 
>> with a roll top closure and to my surprise, I got a return email direct 
>> from them (less than two days later) letting me know they had some old 
>> stock I could buy or I could order a custom bag from them. I went with the 
>> custom and the turn around was VERY fast. 
>>
>> Are they the best bags out there? I can't say. Are they good quality? 
>> Absolutely and they seem to be some great folks in my experience.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 12:07:25 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I used the Arkel Bug backpack pannier for years and I really liked it. I 
>>> would use it an a pannier on my morning commute and then use it as a 
>>> backpack for riding the trails on my way home.
>>>
>>> It worked great as a pannier which is a given since the Arkel mounting 
>>> system is really well done. It also was very comfortable as a backpack. 
>>> Mine did not have a sternum strap but that proved to not be an issue.
>>>
>>> I used it pretty roughly and it is still as good as new. It looks to be 
>>> 25L which may be too small for what you need.
>>>
>>> [image: bike-convertible-pannier-bug-arkel-grey.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bug - Pannier Backpack 
>>> arkel.ca 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Robert Blunt  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>> I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in 
>>> April (400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from 
>>> the airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all 
>>> the hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist 
>>> fashion and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It 
>>> will be a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward 
>>> backpack pannier seems like one of the better options out there for having 
>>> a carry-on that can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear 
>>> rack. Does anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Robert Blunt 
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Going really large on Clems

[Justin Kennedy]

I have a 91 PBH and rode a 64 Clem L for a couple years that felt a hair 
too big. I now ride a 60 Platypus that fits much better. (Obvious different 
geometries/rides - plenty of that discussion on this board.) 

Still got the 64 Clem L frame if you're looking! I'll make you a deal 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:49:07 AM UTC-5 snipp...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>
> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
> than a 59.
>
> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>

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Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Matthew Rebmann]

PS - I'm happy to provide some photos later if you'd like a reference on 
them.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 9:11:25 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> I have a couple of their panniers as well as a trunk bag and a hip pack 
> from them. I daily wear the hip pack and it's pretty worse for wear after 
> one year but I beat the ever living crap out of it (it's their ecopak 
> material.) I've had two of the Route Panniers 24L bags for probably 2-3 
> years now for commuting to work and they've been great, made of cordura. I 
> can't attest to their durability on a grueling tour but I really like them 
> and haven't had any excessive wear or leaks. Their customer service is also 
> fantastic and very responsive. 
>
> On another note: Last year they sent out a 3rd party survey and I decided 
> to fill it out on a whim. At the end of it, it asked if I had anything else 
> I'd like to mention. I told them I was in the market for a nice trunk bag 
> with a roll top closure and to my surprise, I got a return email direct 
> from them (less than two days later) letting me know they had some old 
> stock I could buy or I could order a custom bag from them. I went with the 
> custom and the turn around was VERY fast. 
>
> Are they the best bags out there? I can't say. Are they good quality? 
> Absolutely and they seem to be some great folks in my experience.
>
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 12:07:25 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I used the Arkel Bug backpack pannier for years and I really liked it. I 
>> would use it an a pannier on my morning commute and then use it as a 
>> backpack for riding the trails on my way home.
>>
>> It worked great as a pannier which is a given since the Arkel mounting 
>> system is really well done. It also was very comfortable as a backpack. 
>> Mine did not have a sternum strap but that proved to not be an issue.
>>
>> I used it pretty roughly and it is still as good as new. It looks to be 
>> 25L which may be too small for what you need.
>>
>> [image: bike-convertible-pannier-bug-arkel-grey.jpg]
>>
>> Bug - Pannier Backpack 
>> arkel.ca 
>> 
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Robert Blunt  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>> I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in 
>> April (400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from 
>> the airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all 
>> the hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist 
>> fashion and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It 
>> will be a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward 
>> backpack pannier seems like one of the better options out there for having 
>> a carry-on that can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear 
>> rack. Does anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Robert Blunt 
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Matthew Rebmann]

I have a couple of their panniers as well as a trunk bag and a hip pack 
from them. I daily wear the hip pack and it's pretty worse for wear after 
one year but I beat the ever living crap out of it (it's their ecopak 
material.) I've had two of the Route Panniers 24L bags for probably 2-3 
years now for commuting to work and they've been great, made of cordura. I 
can't attest to their durability on a grueling tour but I really like them 
and haven't had any excessive wear or leaks. Their customer service is also 
fantastic and very responsive. 

On another note: Last year they sent out a 3rd party survey and I decided 
to fill it out on a whim. At the end of it, it asked if I had anything else 
I'd like to mention. I told them I was in the market for a nice trunk bag 
with a roll top closure and to my surprise, I got a return email direct 
from them (less than two days later) letting me know they had some old 
stock I could buy or I could order a custom bag from them. I went with the 
custom and the turn around was VERY fast. 

Are they the best bags out there? I can't say. Are they good quality? 
Absolutely and they seem to be some great folks in my experience.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 12:07:25 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I used the Arkel Bug backpack pannier for years and I really liked it. I 
> would use it an a pannier on my morning commute and then use it as a 
> backpack for riding the trails on my way home.
>
> It worked great as a pannier which is a given since the Arkel mounting 
> system is really well done. It also was very comfortable as a backpack. 
> Mine did not have a sternum strap but that proved to not be an issue.
>
> I used it pretty roughly and it is still as good as new. It looks to be 
> 25L which may be too small for what you need.
>
> [image: bike-convertible-pannier-bug-arkel-grey.jpg]
>
> Bug - Pannier Backpack 
> arkel.ca 
> 
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Robert Blunt  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Greetings everyone,
> I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in 
> April (400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from 
> the airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all 
> the hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist 
> fashion and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It 
> will be a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward 
> backpack pannier seems like one of the better options out there for having 
> a carry-on that can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear 
> rack. Does anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? 
> Thanks in advance.
> Robert Blunt 
> Pennington, NJ
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[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Melanie]

I hope to attend also.

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-5 jeffrey kane wrote:

> I should be around the weekend of 4/6 - keep me posted!
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Bumping this! Back from the shoot, ready to ramble. 
>>
>> My birthday is on a Thurs this year (3/21) but if anyone is interested in 
>> a ride the following weekend, weather permitting, let's organize!
>>
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