Re: [RBW] Ebike Clem

[Hoch in ut]

This is an old topic. But curious how your dad has liked the Swytch kit. 

I was originally thinking of getting my wife a Specialized ebike. As she 
has troubles riding the hills around here. But she loves her Betty. I 
figure if this Swytch will work, that would be great for her. Hopefully 
they make a 650b kit. 

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I can see why you feel that way. If a bike is designed from the ground up 
> to be electric it can't help but work better as a complete system than a 
> converted bike, and theres been so much work done in the field in the last 
> few years. In the future, I could see myself being interested in some type 
> of cargo electric bike.
>
> Patrick,
>
> So I did another test ride yesterday and rode till the battery was pretty 
> much completely drained. Heres a link to the rwgps recording:
> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/128471987
>
> It appears the handlebar indicator is the more accurate indication of 
> battery level. On the flats and downhills I rode on the lowest power 
> setting, 1/5, and on the uphills would goose it up to 3/5. I tried to keep 
> it so I was pedaling very conservatively to try and imitate what my 
> father's fitness level may be. That said, with this set up I think I should 
> put a bigger front chainring on the bike as I would too quickly top out of 
> my gears on any downslope. Right around mile marker 12 is where the battery 
> first started to give out on me, which is consistent with the company 
> stated range of 15k(they also have an optional bigger battery pack listed 
> at 30k). 
>
> As the battery got low on power, the motor would quit pushing and the 
> indicator would flash, and then it would kick back in for a while before 
> doing so again. How quickly depended on how hard you were pushing the 
> motor. After the first shut off I kept the power level to 1/5. When the 
> motor would shut off the sensation was similar to riding in sand or some 
> other resistant surface on a normal bicycle. You get used to the motor 
> assistance and when it disappears you get the illusion of riding through 
> some sort of resistance. 
>
> Charging time took approximately 3 hrs, potentially less. Put it on around 
> 7pm, checked around 9 wasn't done, remembered again at 10:30.
>
> Another note on handling, it is a significant weight to have hanging off 
> of your handlebars. I flipped the battery mount around to have the weight 
> more centered over the steerer which was helpful, but I'd say it still 
> loosened up the feel of the bike though not in any seriously detrimental 
> way. And I imagine the exaggerated length of the clem contributes to that 
> feeling. For extra reference I'm 6'2 170 lbs and its a 59cm clem (also a 
> liter of water on there).
>
> [image: IMG_5918.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-4 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I had our Clem converted to an Ebike with the Bafabg mid motor kit. 750W 
>> system. We got the rack mounted battery. I did it for my 85 year old dad, 
>> who only rides ebikes now. He found it too hard to get on and off the Clem 
>> and stuck with his small-wheeled ebike.
>> I’ve ridden it several times.
>> 1. The added weight does not affect the bike handling.
>> 2. I generally pedal faster than the motor on the flats, so it is still a 
>> workout
>> 3. It is fun to go up steep hills at 15mph.
>> 4. The wires and motor hanging off the bike kills my OCD, its ugly and my 
>> was done by a professional.
>> 5. You have to be careful when making tight turns, have the motor off or 
>> in the lowest setting, else the bike will throw you.  
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Andy Beichler  wrote:
>>
>> My wife and I have converted two bikes with a mid drive kit very similar 
>> to the Luna Cycle kit that Joe posted.  We are very happy with them, so 
>> far. It has been about a year and they are still going strong. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 3:00:01 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It's fits in a standard BB shell. 
>>>
>>> https://lunacycle.com/bafang-bbs02-750w-middrive-kit/
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:42:01 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>>

 I was not aware that you can do a mid-drive conversion (I thought the 
 frame had to be special designed to accept the drive-unit instead of a 
 bottom bracket). How did you do it?
 -Wes
 On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Looks like you're good there, Stephen, 250W is pretty mellow. Yes it's 
> the torque that would concern me with a more powerful hub motor; no bad 
> experiences (I used 250W on an Appaloosa), I just try not to be too crazy 
> with slim fork blades not designed with a motor in mind. Most 
> front-hub-motor bikes I see are running really beefy forks. 
>
> My first build was a ridiculously powerful rear-hub Clem, Grant rode 
> it! Then I did a few with even more ridiculously powerful mid-drives

Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[John Dewey]

Over the years, Rivendell paint schemes come and go (came and went)
seemingly 'who-knows-whoever-whenever' saw fit. Metallics, metal flakes,
basic solid 'enamels' (for want of a better word). Ever changing. I can't
imagine anyone in Walnut Creek grabbing a small bottle of carefully
inventoried touch-up off the shelf, packing it and shipping to you. Way too
many colors have come and gone. And the work required to inventory,
preserve, keep track of it all. Yikes.

Turning the clock back, I picked up a call from GP (late 90s...early 2000s)
while working in my office at Testors, the hobby paint company. We had long
conversations, lots of emails passed between Testors and Riv with the
intent of formulating touch-up paint for RBW (our) bikes. We could have,
after all, matched any color anyone could possibly have wished for /
conceived of. We were the best. Had plenty of beautiful little glass
bottles, caps that insured paint good for decades when properly sealed up,
and a willingness to get it done. As I recall now, years later, I sent way
too many samples to count.

It could have worked and in my position as the 'Testors guy'—and someone
who still drinks the Rivendell 'Kool-Aid'—the program could have been
successful.

Alas, it didn't happen—and I never found out why.

Never fear...you can, of course, wander into any hobby shop (assuming you
still have one nearby—good luck with that) and apply your own
paint-matching skills to get pretty damn close to any color. It's actually
an interesting exercise...fully satisfying when you're successful.

That is, for the couple dozen of us who really care that much.

So, good luck y'all 🙃🚴

Jock





On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 2:45 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners
Bunch  wrote:

> Bill
>
> Would the Rambouillets being built in Japan have anything to do with the
> shade of orange???   The Waterford colors seem to be the colors they used
> for the Rivendell models they made.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 4:54:44 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Orange Sam Hillbornes and Orange Rambouillets are both "sparkly metallic
>> Orange" in color FAMILY.  They are not identical.  The multi-coated
>> treatment of the Orange Rambouillets have been described as a "thousand
>> dollar paint job".  Whether a scratch on an Orange Rambouillet could be
>> made slightly less ugly with the $50 Hilborne Orange touchup from
>> Waterford, that's up to the beholder.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Sam Hilborne Orange is the same as Rambouillet
>>> orange?
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:
>>>
 Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very close.
 Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color match.

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:

> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my
>> paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting 
>> down,
>> but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>>
>> Rivendell Atlantis Green
>> Rivendell Cream
>> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
>> Rivendell Jay's Green
>> Rivendell Light Blue Met
>> Rivendell Light Green
>> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
>> Rivendell Roadeo R
>> Rivendell Roadeo White
>> Rivendell Sage
>> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>>
>> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead
>> of glass like I received.
>> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
>>
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[RBW] FS: Avocet 26.8mm 177.8mm seat post

[Kim H.]

 I have for sale an  Avocet 26.8mm 177.8mm or 7 inch seat post. There are 
no insertion marking on it whatsoever. It is in excellent condition. I 
bought it for my bike, but I changed my mind for another seat post.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KG6zSJ7r52qDwSNR7

$45.00, shipped in the CONUS
Paypal payment, please.

Kim Hetzel. 

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Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

[Steven Sweedler]

Nick, enjoyed both groups of pictures, thanks for sharing.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM Nick Payne  wrote:

> I don't use film cameras any more, but I've been habitually cycling with a
> camera for almost 50 years. Some examples from film days, mostly taken with
> small cameras such as Olympus XA, but some taken with a Makina 67 rollfilm
> camera:
>
> Various touring rides in the 1980s:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GvbfFA7FMuTqbshL7.
>
> These days I still photograph rides, but with digital cameras. I usually
> cycle with both a dedicated camera and a phone, but phone cameras are good
> enough these days that unless I need the extra reach of a camera lens, I
> mostly use the phone. Here's our last tour in Europe, where apart from the
> cycle racing in Innsbruck (2018 world championships), where the longer
> focal length and fast burst mode of the camera came into their own, I took
> nearly all the photos with my phone.
>
> Europe 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA.
>
> NIck Payne
>
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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Armand Kizirian]

Just call Riv HQ, they usually have little bottles if you ask nicely. 

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 9:33:44 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> The original orange Rambouillet was a two pass paint job using House Of 
> Kolor paints. That specific method of paint application is not used any 
> longer.  
>
> I had documented that a while back here - 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html
>
> Jim
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 5:54:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> No, I don't think anything particular about the Nation of Japan directly 
>> influenced the shade of orange of the orange Rambouillet.  Rambouillets got 
>> that paint job because they got that paint job.  Orange Hillbornes got 
>> their different paint job because that's the paint job they got.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Would the Rambouillets being built in Japan have anything to do with the 
>>> shade of orange???   The Waterford colors seem to be the colors they used 
>>> for the Rivendell models they made.  
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 4:54:44 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Orange Sam Hillbornes and Orange Rambouillets are both "sparkly 
 metallic Orange" in color FAMILY.  They are not identical.  The 
 multi-coated treatment of the Orange Rambouillets have been described as a 
 "thousand dollar paint job".  Whether a scratch on an Orange Rambouillet 
 could be made slightly less ugly with the $50 Hilborne Orange touchup from 
 Waterford, that's up to the beholder.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA 

 On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone know if the Sam Hilborne Orange is the same as Rambouillet 
> orange?
> Max 
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:
>
>> Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very 
>> close. Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color 
>> match.
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>>>
 FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had 
 my paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were 
 shutting 
 down, but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv 
 colors:

 Rivendell Atlantis Green
 Rivendell Cream
 Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
 Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
 Rivendell Jay's Green
 Rivendell Light Blue Met
 Rivendell Light Green
 Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
 Rivendell Roadeo R
 Rivendell Roadeo White
 Rivendell Sage
 Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange

 I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles 
 instead of glass like I received.
 https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196

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[RBW] Re: FS: (or trade) filet brazed nitto bullmoose handlebar

[jamin orrall]

Still available, price drop to 190 shipped.

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 11:27:17 AM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:

> Nitto filet brazed bullmoose, lightly used, mostly just shelf wear.  Great 
> condition!  
>
> $200 including shipping, conus.
>
> let me know if my price is way off, they don't seem to make the filet 
> brazed ones anymore, only the TIG, which are sold out.
>
> would trade for Baggins bags, looking for the "hoss" or "Adam" saddle bag 
> and matching boxy bar bag.
>
> [image: IMG_1702 Large.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1704 Large.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1705 Large.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1706 Large.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1708 Large.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

[jamin orrall]

Nick those touring shots are wonderful!!!

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 3:37:19 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:

> Yay film!  These shots are from a ride a month or two ago, Olympus xa3, 
> hp5, hc-110
> [image: Untitled (18) Large.jpeg]
> [image: Untitled (17) Large.jpeg]
> [image: Untitled (16) Large.jpeg][image: Untitled (15) Large.jpeg][image: 
> Untitled (19) Large.jpeg]
> [image: Untitled (20) Large.jpeg]
> On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 3:08:05 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I don't use film cameras any more, but I've been habitually cycling with 
>> a camera for almost 50 years. Some examples from film days, mostly taken 
>> with small cameras such as Olympus XA, but some taken with a Makina 67 
>> rollfilm camera:
>>
>> Various touring rides in the 1980s: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GvbfFA7FMuTqbshL7.
>>
>> These days I still photograph rides, but with digital cameras. I usually 
>> cycle with both a dedicated camera and a phone, but phone cameras are good 
>> enough these days that unless I need the extra reach of a camera lens, I 
>> mostly use the phone. Here's our last tour in Europe, where apart from the 
>> cycle racing in Innsbruck (2018 world championships), where the longer 
>> focal length and fast burst mode of the camera came into their own, I took 
>> nearly all the photos with my phone.
>>
>> Europe 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA.
>>
>> NIck Payne
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

[Nick Payne]

I don't use film cameras any more, but I've been habitually cycling with a 
camera for almost 50 years. Some examples from film days, mostly taken with 
small cameras such as Olympus XA, but some taken with a Makina 67 rollfilm 
camera:

Various touring rides in the 1980s: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GvbfFA7FMuTqbshL7.

These days I still photograph rides, but with digital cameras. I usually 
cycle with both a dedicated camera and a phone, but phone cameras are good 
enough these days that unless I need the extra reach of a camera lens, I 
mostly use the phone. Here's our last tour in Europe, where apart from the 
cycle racing in Innsbruck (2018 world championships), where the longer 
focal length and fast burst mode of the camera came into their own, I took 
nearly all the photos with my phone.

Europe 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA.

NIck Payne

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[RBW] Re: film photos on bike rides

[George Schick]

Stephen - I'm jealous.  A while ago I broke out my old Rollei 35s and went 
to the camera shop to buy a roll of B&W film and a new battery for the 
light sensor to shoot some photos.  Turned out that the old (~1976) Rollei 
had developed mechanical issues that prevented the shutter from closing 
until the film was advanced, overexposing the film.  I couldn't find any 
shop that would do repairs, but I did find a very involved YouTube 
explaining how to DIY.  The process was way, way too involved so back in 
the cabinet went the camera where it will sit for no good reason.


On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Been taking more film photos with the rollei 35 led since recently moving 
> to the sfbay area again and I just got a couple rolls developed. Thought it 
> might be nice to start a conversation for folks to post film photos shot on 
> bike rides.
>
>
> [image: kirby.jpeg]
> Kirby cove
>
> [image: rodeo.jpeg]
> Rodeo valley
>
> [image: geese.jpeg]
> geese near albany bulb
>
> [image: tam.jpeg]
> Tam from the headlands.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - MUSA shorts, knickers, BrandV Grabsack, Timbuk2 messenger bag - PRICE DROP

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Knickers are SOLD!

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 9:37:11 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Prices still include shipping to lower 48
>
> MUSA Knickers - original style grey - Size Large
> 20" (ish) inseam. Gusseted crotch design. Elastic waist belt.
> Definite saddle wear and some weird stain from when I leaned against some 
> greasy bits in the shed. Reflectors on back of legs have seen better days 
> and are definitely worn off in places. Worn. Used. But still have some 
> miles left in them. Was $35 - now $25
>
> Brand V "Grabsack" style bag - OSFA
> Shoulder bag under the original "Brand V" tag with wooden flap locks. Very 
> similar to the current Grabsack style back with a main dump area and nylon 
> divider to separate stuff in the back. I used this lightly for a while, but 
> it's been flat in the closet for a few years now. Heavy duck cotton which 
> shows a little sheen here and there. There are probably a few stains I 
> didn't notice, but it's in pretty dang good shape. Was $65 - now $45
>
> Timbuk2 Messenger bag - Laptop/roller luggage compatible. 
> This was the last messenger bag I ever bought and while I did slap a "Just 
> Ride" fabric sticker on it, I didn't really use this one in anger. It's got 
> some hours on it, but not worn or torn. I just hate to not be using this, 
> but I've got two others which I reach for (and a small third one as well), 
> so this doesn't get used. It has a padded laptop section, and a slot for 
> stacking on a rollaway luggage handle. Heavy duty nylon. Rubberized base. 
> Large clips.
> Lots of nooks and crannies to zipper in things. Was $85 - now $65
>
>
> Prices include USPS shipping within the contiguous 48 states. No fee 
> paypal or venmo, or mail me a check. 
>
> I'm attaching a single image of each, but there are many more full size 
> images in the link below. 
>
> Full gallery of images yonder - 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/NiH3m5PvLPJQoJHW8
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 6:01:58 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Shorts are SOLD! 
>> No more calls on the shorts - we have a winner!
>>
>> J
>
>

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[RBW] Re: For sale

[Roy Summer]

Still available. Price drop. No seat, no pedals, different, but definitely 
rideable tires. Shipped or delivered CONUS. $1200. Fork was built by Dylan 
Varecamp, Brooklyn, NY. Will entertain trades: 52-54 C-T road bike. No 
aluminum (Vitus excepted), no carbon please. Let’s talk.
Thanks.
On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:11:25 AM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:

> 1995 (?) Bontrager. Pre Trek. Totally rebuilt to emulate a Bridgestone 
> X0-1 (Atlantis) with drop bars. 17” frame.
> Chris King headset & hubs (32 hole); Mavic rims; Shimano BB; cantilever 
> brakes; Ultegra medium cage rear, XTR front derailleurs, 11-30 cassette
> Salsa bars (42cm), Micro Shift 8 speed bar ends, 170 alloy crank 38/43
> $1400, no seat & pedals $1300
> Trades for road bike (52-54 c-t) considered. No disc brakes. Prefer 
> vintage.
> Located Westchester Co., NY. Will ship. Possibly deliver or meet to trade.
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[RBW] Free for postage: Winter cycling leg covering (Note: please take all or none.)

[Patrick Moore]

No-name (at least, no name recognized by me) 3/4 Lycra tights, 30" waist
unstretched but elastic with drawcord -- I got to fit my 34" waist -- and
19 1/2" from crotch seam to leg hem, black, as new.

Nashbar 4/4 lycra tights, size L -- I bought these years ago to fit my 34"
waist/32" inseam pants size and never wore them. Drawcord waist, zipped
ankles, black, as new.

Medium lycra leg warmers, maker unknown, age unknown, provenance unknown, I
think I used these once or twice but it has been years if not decades:
lycra, black, zipped ankles, VG.

Again, takem all or takem none, please.

Yours for postage from 87120, you figure it out and be very patient.

Also, before I toss them, 2 rather ghastly mesh black synthetic t shirts
that I bought on the recommendation of a lister for winter underlayer
warmth, never, ever used, and therein lies a tale. When I googled mesh
shirt I got responses from, errp, lowlife websites, which surprised the
heck out of me because in no way do I find these erotic; people are weird.
One LS Big Mesh and one ss small mesh. You are welcome to them; but be
warned and, again, all or nothing, please. As far as I know they will keep
you warm, but I never wore them. And, I retain the right to get tired of
holding on to these shirts and to toss them in the t-can, so hurry.

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[RBW] Re: FS - MUSA shorts, knickers, BrandV Grabsack, Timbuk2 messenger bag - PRICE DROP

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Prices still include shipping to lower 48

MUSA Knickers - original style grey - Size Large
20" (ish) inseam. Gusseted crotch design. Elastic waist belt.
Definite saddle wear and some weird stain from when I leaned against some 
greasy bits in the shed. Reflectors on back of legs have seen better days 
and are definitely worn off in places. Worn. Used. But still have some 
miles left in them. Was $35 - now $25

Brand V "Grabsack" style bag - OSFA
Shoulder bag under the original "Brand V" tag with wooden flap locks. Very 
similar to the current Grabsack style back with a main dump area and nylon 
divider to separate stuff in the back. I used this lightly for a while, but 
it's been flat in the closet for a few years now. Heavy duck cotton which 
shows a little sheen here and there. There are probably a few stains I 
didn't notice, but it's in pretty dang good shape. Was $65 - now $45

Timbuk2 Messenger bag - Laptop/roller luggage compatible. 
This was the last messenger bag I ever bought and while I did slap a "Just 
Ride" fabric sticker on it, I didn't really use this one in anger. It's got 
some hours on it, but not worn or torn. I just hate to not be using this, 
but I've got two others which I reach for (and a small third one as well), 
so this doesn't get used. It has a padded laptop section, and a slot for 
stacking on a rollaway luggage handle. Heavy duty nylon. Rubberized base. 
Large clips.
Lots of nooks and crannies to zipper in things. Was $85 - now $65

Prices include USPS shipping within the contiguous 48 states. No fee paypal 
or venmo, or mail me a check. 

I'm attaching a single image of each, but there are many more full size 
images in the link below. 

Full gallery of images yonder - 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NiH3m5PvLPJQoJHW8

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 6:01:58 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Shorts are SOLD! 
> No more calls on the shorts - we have a winner!
>
> J

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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Cyclofiend Jim]

The original orange Rambouillet was a two pass paint job using House Of 
Kolor paints. That specific method of paint application is not used any 
longer.  

I had documented that a while back here - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html

Jim

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 5:54:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> John
>
> No, I don't think anything particular about the Nation of Japan directly 
> influenced the shade of orange of the orange Rambouillet.  Rambouillets got 
> that paint job because they got that paint job.  Orange Hillbornes got 
> their different paint job because that's the paint job they got.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> Would the Rambouillets being built in Japan have anything to do with the 
>> shade of orange???   The Waterford colors seem to be the colors they used 
>> for the Rivendell models they made.  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 4:54:44 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Orange Sam Hillbornes and Orange Rambouillets are both "sparkly metallic 
>>> Orange" in color FAMILY.  They are not identical.  The multi-coated 
>>> treatment of the Orange Rambouillets have been described as a "thousand 
>>> dollar paint job".  Whether a scratch on an Orange Rambouillet could be 
>>> made slightly less ugly with the $50 Hilborne Orange touchup from 
>>> Waterford, that's up to the beholder.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone know if the Sam Hilborne Orange is the same as Rambouillet 
 orange?
 Max 

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:

> Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very close. 
> Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color match.
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my 
>>> paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting 
>>> down, 
>>> but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>>>
>>> Rivendell Atlantis Green
>>> Rivendell Cream
>>> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
>>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
>>> Rivendell Jay's Green
>>> Rivendell Light Blue Met
>>> Rivendell Light Green
>>> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
>>> Rivendell Roadeo R
>>> Rivendell Roadeo White
>>> Rivendell Sage
>>> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>>>
>>> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead 
>>> of glass like I received.
>>> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
>>>
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>>> .
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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Patrick Moore]

IME, even very supple skinny tires can be surprisingly smooth if not pumped
too hard; I recall being surprised almost 35 years ago at how smooth 23 mm
Specialized 26X1" Turbos felt compared to overinflated 35 mm Fatboys (I
thought then that the label max pres was the correct pressure). Much later,
Michelin Pro Races at 22 mm actual on narrow rims felt surprisingly
comfortable at 80 f/90r, and today's 28 mm (actual, skinny rims) Elk Passes
feel almost pillow-like at 55/60 except over the damned 8" to 12" expansion
bumps on my access road that I keep meaning to complain to the city about.

Speaking of which: I'm curious about others' preferences for air pressure:
what pressure for what tire -- width, type of casing -- on what surfaces. I
recently started riding my ~49 mm (27 mm IW rims) regular casing Oracle
Ridges at 17 psi, down from the 20 that felt harsh over horse hoof chop and
stutter bumps, and yes, 17 feels smoother over small bumps while not
compromising the road-tire-like handling (on the Matt #1) on pavement --
the ORs handle like the slick Soma Supple Vitesse SLs on pavement, and both
tires make the bike handle as I'd asked Chauncey to make it handle, much
like my Riv Roads.

Current preferred pressures for max bump comfort with pavement cornering
precision:

ORs ~49 mm actual, combined pavement and (sandy) dirt: 17 psi.

Extralight 559X42 mm Naches Passes, mostly pavement, brief firmer dirt:
30/35. I expect I could use as low as 25/30 but this bike sees 30-40 lb
rear loads.

175 gram 559X28 mm Elk Passes: pavement: 55/60, and were it not for
expansion cracks I guess I could drop 5 psi from each.

I used to put 20 psi in the 61 mm paper-thin sidewall Big Ones but now I'd
drop that to under 17; cornering on pavement be damned, they never did
corner crisply, and I expect that at 15-16 with 27 mm IW rims the sidewalls
would remain stable.

I rode the 72 mm actual WTB Rangers as low as 12-13; since these were
ridden almost always on sandy soil, and I'd have used that as the norm
except that these were tubeless tires on ~20-21 mm IW non-tubeless rims, so
I usually kept them at 15.

Patrick Moore, who wishes that the Elk Passes measured closer to the
labeled 32 mm on the admittedly 13 mm IW rims.


On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jay  wrote:

> I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a
> tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily
> available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the
> roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires,
> and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that
> was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike
> that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you
> like, is magic.
>
> Nice article!
>

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Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Stephen:

I post a lot of photos I’ve taken on rides. Check out my Instagram: 
https://www.instagram.com/campyonlyguy

I’m also building up the cameras-and-bikes content on my YouTube channel: 
https://youtube.com/campyonlyguy

I started taking photos on rides in the early 80s, before digital cameras were 
available. I used disposable cameras back then, but I’ve since graduated to 
more sophisticated gear.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 2, 2024, at 9:02 AM, Stephen  wrote:
> 
> Been taking more film photos with the rollei 35 led since recently moving to 
> the sfbay area again and I just got a couple rolls developed. Thought it 
> might be nice to start a conversation for folks to post film photos shot on 
> bike rides.
> 
> 
> 
> Kirby cove
> 
> 
> Rodeo valley
> 
> 
> geese near albany bulb
> 
> 
> Tam from the headlands.
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[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Jay]

I know a lot of roadies, who don't mountain bike, who have never tried a 
tire about 30-32mm.  Before these nice, supple tires became more readily 
available I had mountain biked and had tires for riding that bike on the 
roads (off-season), and then I got into cx bikes I had 32mm (ish) tires, 
and they were all awful (and over-inflated!).  When I went up to 40mm that 
was an improvement.  A supple tire of anywhere north of 32-35, on a bike 
that is not overly stiff, pumped to the right pressure, tubeless if you 
like, is magic.

Nice article!

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 12:37:33 AM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was about 2013-4, I felt like I was on the cutting edge of bike 
> innovation as a 23 year old converting my Salsa Vaya from 700x35 to 650x48. 
> I'll never forget that first commute from those panaracer pasela's to the 
> compass (now rene herse) 48's. Magic carpet ride indeed! 
>
> Joe, how would you describe the arc of your writing career to be a 
> journalist for Wired?
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 7:37:37 AM UTC-7 Steve wrote:
>
>> Joe, thanks for posting the link to your article. Well done! 
>>
>> I currently have three bikes with tire widths, in ascending order, from 
>> 40 to 48mm.  I also recently gifted a fourth bike to my daughter - a late 
>> 90s race bike I converted from 700c to  650b with 38mm RH slicks mounted 
>> beneath VO fenders. (The poor girl, all she had for road riding was a 
>> carbon fiber Liv with naked 23mm tires!!!).  
>>
>> You might say I'm a true believer. 
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>>
>> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ted,
>>> Was definitely thinking about all the potential feedback--and wishing 
>>> 603s became a thing so I could plug them into my older bikes.
>>> Thanks for the good words!
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:

 Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
 magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I 
 had 
 a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:


 I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off 
 the inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout 
 to 603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Paint Color matters! Your favorite?

[Roberta]

Levanguy— 

That is a beautiful color!!! When I was dreaming of getting a Riv custom, 
that was the color I had in mind. 

I hope you enjoy your new ride and post pictures here.

Roberta

On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_3027.jpeg]Rivendell should revisit this wonderful paint color 
> for some of their models.  This is the fork from a 2000 Heron Road bike 
> that I’m building.  The blue/green metallic is fantastic in the sun.  

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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Bill Lindsay]

John

No, I don't think anything particular about the Nation of Japan directly 
influenced the shade of orange of the orange Rambouillet.  Rambouillets got 
that paint job because they got that paint job.  Orange Hillbornes got 
their different paint job because that's the paint job they got.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Bill
>
> Would the Rambouillets being built in Japan have anything to do with the 
> shade of orange???   The Waterford colors seem to be the colors they used 
> for the Rivendell models they made.  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 4:54:44 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Orange Sam Hillbornes and Orange Rambouillets are both "sparkly metallic 
>> Orange" in color FAMILY.  They are not identical.  The multi-coated 
>> treatment of the Orange Rambouillets have been described as a "thousand 
>> dollar paint job".  Whether a scratch on an Orange Rambouillet could be 
>> made slightly less ugly with the $50 Hilborne Orange touchup from 
>> Waterford, that's up to the beholder.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>
>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Sam Hilborne Orange is the same as Rambouillet 
>>> orange?
>>> Max 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:
>>>
 Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very close. 
 Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color match.

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:

> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my 
>> paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting 
>> down, 
>> but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>>
>> Rivendell Atlantis Green
>> Rivendell Cream
>> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
>> Rivendell Jay's Green
>> Rivendell Light Blue Met
>> Rivendell Light Green
>> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
>> Rivendell Roadeo R
>> Rivendell Roadeo White
>> Rivendell Sage
>> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>>
>> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead 
>> of glass like I received.
>> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
>>
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>> .
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