[RBW] Re: For Sale

[Kim H.]

@Roy,
Is the 34 tooth chain ring steel, 110 bolt circle ramped and pinned ?

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 9:22:55 PM UTC-7 Roy Summer wrote:

> Everything still available.
> Take $5 off every item. Buy 2 get free shipping.
> Bontrager still available. $1200 no seat, no pedals, different (but 
> rideable) tires. Shipped freight paid.
> Bridgestone Jupiter Country $950. Pick up or you figure out freight.
> The more you buy, the more you save!
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:
>
>> Claris rear derailleur - new in box $35
>> MSW cartridge bottom bracket, English thread, 68mm shell, 122.5 spindle - 
>> new in box $25
>> 50 tooth chain ring, steel, 110 bolt circle - new $15
>> 34 tooth chain ring steel, 110 bolt circle -  ew $15
>> 48 tooth chain ring, Shimano, alloy, 110 bolt circle - used, very 
>> good/excellent $20
>> Nitto Technomic stem, 110 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bar - excellent $35
>> Nitto Pearl stem, 110 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bar - new $50
>> Nitto Dynamic stem, 110 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bar, titanium stem bolt - 
>> excellent $55
>> Truvative seat post, 350mm, 27.2, black - new $35
>> Aheadset stem, 110 neck, 1”quill, 26.0 bars, silver - excellent $25
>> Aheadset stem, 90 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bars, black -  new $25
>> Shimano 11 speed cassette, 11-25, near new - excellent + $25
>> All items plus freight. Shipped cheapest way (post office; tracked). 
>> Discount for multiple purchases. Located in Westchester Co., NY. Check or 
>> money order. I don’t do Venmo, PayPal or other transfer things. Pictures on 
>> request.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale

[Roy Summer]

Everything still available.
Take $5 off every item. Buy 2 get free shipping.
Bontrager still available. $1200 no seat, no pedals, different (but 
rideable) tires. Shipped freight paid.
Bridgestone Jupiter Country $950. Pick up or you figure out freight.
The more you buy, the more you save!

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:

> Claris rear derailleur - new in box $35
> MSW cartridge bottom bracket, English thread, 68mm shell, 122.5 spindle - 
> new in box $25
> 50 tooth chain ring, steel, 110 bolt circle - new $15
> 34 tooth chain ring steel, 110 bolt circle -  ew $15
> 48 tooth chain ring, Shimano, alloy, 110 bolt circle - used, very 
> good/excellent $20
> Nitto Technomic stem, 110 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bar - excellent $35
> Nitto Pearl stem, 110 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bar - new $50
> Nitto Dynamic stem, 110 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bar, titanium stem bolt - 
> excellent $55
> Truvative seat post, 350mm, 27.2, black - new $35
> Aheadset stem, 110 neck, 1”quill, 26.0 bars, silver - excellent $25
> Aheadset stem, 90 neck, 1” quill, 26.0 bars, black -  new $25
> Shimano 11 speed cassette, 11-25, near new - excellent + $25
> All items plus freight. Shipped cheapest way (post office; tracked). 
> Discount for multiple purchases. Located in Westchester Co., NY. Check or 
> money order. I don’t do Venmo, PayPal or other transfer things. Pictures on 
> request.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My 650b randonneur bike for your Cheviot

[Kim H.]

@Jamin,
...something to think about. The seller lives in Seattle, just north of 
where I live. 
I do not care for orange either. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 8:30:52 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:

> I had not seen that one Kim, I don't have a Facebook account.  Sounds like 
> he already has a bike build in the works.   I know I said no orange but I'm 
> starting to change my mind on that color.
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 8:13:02 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Jamin,
>>
>> Have you seen this Cheviot ?
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/7361959803912389/
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 6:29:10 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Here is an action shot from an overnight a couple weeks ago.
>>> [image: overnight to sue meg park-06 Large.jpeg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My 650b randonneur bike for your Cheviot

[jamin orrall]

I had not seen that one Kim, I don't have a Facebook account.  Sounds like 
he already has a bike build in the works.   I know I said no orange but I'm 
starting to change my mind on that color.

On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 8:13:02 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Jamin,
>
> Have you seen this Cheviot ?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/7361959803912389/
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 6:29:10 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Here is an action shot from an overnight a couple weeks ago.
>> [image: overnight to sue meg park-06 Large.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My 650b randonneur bike for your Cheviot

[Kim H.]

@Jamin,

Have you seen this Cheviot ?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/7361959803912389/

Kim Hetzel. 

On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 6:29:10 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:

> Here is an action shot from an overnight a couple weeks ago.
> [image: overnight to sue meg park-06 Large.jpeg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My 650b randonneur bike for your Cheviot

[jamin orrall]

*Located in Eureka/Arcata California

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[RBW] Le Tour De Shore Ride anyone?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Friends,

I am, for the first time, doing the Le Tour De Shore Ride that starts in 
Chicago and concludes in New Buffalo, Michigan. I’ve never done something 
like this where I begin in one city and state and end in another. Really 
excited, but also nervous. I am also doing it without any buddies. I’m sure 
I’ll meet nice people on the ride, but it would be so great if those nice 
people could be YOU. I’ll arrive Thursday night to my hotel and bike with 
my stuff to the start of the ride. I should be on the raspberry Platypus. 
Probably will put the Nitto big back rack on so I can bring my stuff from 
my hotel in my Backabike bags and drop at gear check. I got packing cubes 
for this! an experiment! Will this work? Don’t know. Lots of handwringing. 

Anyway, is anyone on here planning to do the ride? I’d love to meet up 
and/or ride together. Here’s the ride info, in case anyone wants to sign up 
last minute:
https://www.letourdeshore.com/ride-details
Leah

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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[Eric Floden]

https://www.theonion.com/undercover-cop-never-knew-selling-drugs-was-such-hard-w-1819566772

Undercover Cop Never Knew Selling Drugs Was Such Hard Work
PublishedMarch 5, 2003






PHILADELPHIA—Rick Bastone, 31, an officer with Philadelphia's 23rd
Precinct, has gained newfound respect for America's hard-working drug
dealers ever since going undercover to sell narcotics.

"I had no idea how tough this was," said Bastone, standing on a dilapidated
corner in 20-degree weather while awaiting a cocaine drop-off Monday. "I
guess I imagined it being like in the movies: drinking champagne,
hot-tubbing with honeys, and cruising in customized Escalades while
watching the cash roll in. But here I am, freezing my ass off. I've got to
say, these drug-dealing scumbags really earn their pay."

On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 at 13:34, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I often think that, given the trouble many criminals seem to take to make
> a shady buck, it might be easier just to get a job.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[Patrick Moore]

I often think that, given the trouble many criminals seem to take to make a
shady buck, it might be easier just to get a job.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 12:30 PM M G  wrote:

> It’s almost funny how deep into the weeds a scammer has to get when
> they’re chasing down photos of steel bike frames (total geek niche), of
> specific old sub-label bike frames (sub-level niche!) of odd non-mainstream
> geek’s geek label (sub-sub-sub-niche)….etc….  [however one would associate
> Herons with Rivs, etc]. (PS — i’d take any Heron or original Riv i came
> across….just….because, well, ya never know when you might NEED another one!)
>

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[RBW] More Sams less Scams

[Tim Bantham]

Hello all, I was victimized by the aforementioned scammer you may have 
heard about in a previous post by our moderator Cyclofiend Jim. In good 
faith I paid for Albastache bars that didn't exist. Rather then waste any 
more negative energy on ranting about how horrible this person is I am 
going to instead flip the switch and talk about why I love my Rivendell 
bicycle. Will you keep the positive energy going by responding in kind?

Yesterday I was riding in Analog Cycles annual 4x4 event. I was happily 
under biking with my Sam Hillborne on the notoriously rocky and muddy 
unmaintained roads of Vermont known as class IV. 

Although the ride was well attended at one point I found myself alone, just 
me and 2TT beloved Sam Hillborne. As I was crossing the ridge I looked out 
at the impossible beauty of the Green Mountain state I thought about all of 
the ways my life has been enriched by this Rivendell bicycle. A simple 
machine but I have a connection to this bike that only readers of this 
forum will understand. I realized how lucky I am to have my health and the 
financial means to own not one but three Rivs. I am thankful for this small 
community we call RBW Owners Bunch. 

Let's keep this positive energy going! Tell me why you love your Rivendell. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[M G]

It’s almost funny how deep into the weeds a scammer has to get when they’re 
chasing down photos of steel bike frames (total geek niche), of specific old 
sub-label bike frames (sub-level niche!) of odd non-mainstream geek’s geek 
label (sub-sub-sub-niche)….etc….  [however one would associate Herons with 
Rivs, etc]. (PS — i’d take any Heron or original Riv i came 
across….just….because, well, ya never know when you might NEED another one!)

Ron



> On Jun 9, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got pinged by gran yesterday regarding my WTB Heron post. Sent two pics of 
> NOS frames (odd) but zero info. Just a cryptic "which one you want" note. Did 
> not pass the sniff test.
> 
> Marty
> 
> On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-4 Mitch wrote:
> welp.. I took the bait. 
> 
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:36:12 AM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:
> "On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 15:11, gran  wrote:Hello Jerry,
> 
> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still looking 
> to buy a Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26?
> Thank you"
> Attempted to sell me a frameset that was already sold
> On Saturday 8 June 2024 at 07:02:40 UTC-7 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:
> One small thing about playing with scammers (my 'best' one was a long 
> correspondence with an Airbnb-er who sent me a check to deposit and send him 
> back the overage)...was another guy who I got so angry, he tried to hack my 
> gmail account (but failed). So...be careful out there! And on a rare day, I 
> have a tiny bit of compassion for them, especially as I've recently found out 
> that many of the overseas hacker/scammers are doing it under threats and 
> coercion. 
> 
> Ron in Western Mass
> 
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 5:41:25 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
> Same over here. I actually had some fun with it, but hoping no one actually 
> took the bait. 
> 
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-7 Daniel wrote:
> Yep, same here.
> Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 2:43:34 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
> Gran wrote to a lot of us, it seems. Thanks for the heads up. 
> 
> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 8:45:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
> Yup, 'gran' contacted me as well, and the first thing I did was to check here 
> for previous activity. Seemed rather persistent. Thanks for the heads-up Jim.
> 
> Cheers, Joh
> 
> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 7:31:14 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Yep, gran wrote me too:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:42 PM gran  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still looking 
> to buy an Acorn Trunk Bag?
> 
> Thank you
> 
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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

I got pinged by gran yesterday regarding my WTB Heron post. Sent two pics 
of NOS frames (odd) but zero info. Just a cryptic "which one you want" 
note. Did not pass the sniff test.

Marty

On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-4 Mitch wrote:

> welp.. I took the bait. 
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:36:12 AM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> "On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 15:11, gran  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jerry,
>>
>> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still 
>> looking to buy a Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26?
>> Thank you"
>>
>>
>> Attempted to sell me a frameset that was already sold
>> On Saturday 8 June 2024 at 07:02:40 UTC-7 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> One small thing about playing with scammers (my 'best' one was a long 
>>> correspondence with an Airbnb-er who sent me a check to deposit and send 
>>> him back the overage)...was another guy who I got so angry, he tried to 
>>> hack my gmail account (but failed). So...be careful out there! And on a 
>>> rare day, I have a tiny bit of compassion for them, especially as I've 
>>> recently found out that many of the overseas hacker/scammers are doing it 
>>> under threats and coercion. 
>>>
>>> Ron in Western Mass
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 5:41:25 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Same over here. I actually had some fun with it, but hoping no one 
 actually took the bait. 

 On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-7 Daniel wrote:

> Yep, same here.
> Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 2:43:34 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Gran wrote to a lot of us, it seems. Thanks for the heads up. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 8:45:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, 'gran' contacted me as well, and the first thing I did was to 
>>> check here for previous activity. Seemed rather persistent. Thanks for 
>>> the 
>>> heads-up Jim.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Joh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 7:31:14 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Yep, gran wrote me too:


 On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:42 PM gran  wrote:

 Hello,

 I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still 
 looking to buy an Acorn Trunk Bag?

 Thank you




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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[Mitch]

welp.. I took the bait. 

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:36:12 AM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:

> "On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 15:11, gran  wrote:
>
> Hello Jerry,
>
> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still 
> looking to buy a Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26?
> Thank you"
>
>
> Attempted to sell me a frameset that was already sold
> On Saturday 8 June 2024 at 07:02:40 UTC-7 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> One small thing about playing with scammers (my 'best' one was a long 
>> correspondence with an Airbnb-er who sent me a check to deposit and send 
>> him back the overage)...was another guy who I got so angry, he tried to 
>> hack my gmail account (but failed). So...be careful out there! And on a 
>> rare day, I have a tiny bit of compassion for them, especially as I've 
>> recently found out that many of the overseas hacker/scammers are doing it 
>> under threats and coercion. 
>>
>> Ron in Western Mass
>>
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 5:41:25 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Same over here. I actually had some fun with it, but hoping no one 
>>> actually took the bait. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-7 Daniel wrote:
>>>
 Yep, same here.
 Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

 Daniel

 On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 2:43:34 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gran wrote to a lot of us, it seems. Thanks for the heads up. 
>
> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 8:45:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Yup, 'gran' contacted me as well, and the first thing I did was to 
>> check here for previous activity. Seemed rather persistent. Thanks for 
>> the 
>> heads-up Jim.
>>
>> Cheers, Joh
>>
>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 7:31:14 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, gran wrote me too:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:42 PM gran  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still 
>>> looking to buy an Acorn Trunk Bag?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Ryan]

Well said, Corwin!  My first 2 Rivendells were ordered with BB and HS 
installed and my late partner built up the rest of the bikes as he was a 
good mechanic. In 2016 when I ordered my mixte and his health was declining 
I ordered all the parts from Rivendell . Mark built the bike and Rich built 
the wheels. The labor was about 200 USD + 50 for fender installation, and , 
having watched videos of Mark at work, I think it was money 
well-spent...and I agree that Rivendell IS worth supporting. In late 2015 
when I ordered my bike, I think Riv was having some financial challenges at 
the time and I was more than happy to support them. Win/win.

I do understand the motivation to build your own bike but I myself 
certainly don't have the workshop or next-level skills of someone like Bill 
Lindsay...so it made sense to me to go all-in with Rivendell. Know thyself 
as others have said.

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 3:52:23 PM UTC-5 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> I have been paying $200 for (three) Riv Builds for more than fifteen years 
> now. I think $200 for a great build is an exceptional value. Could I do it 
> myself? Sure. But Riv doing the build saves me lots of time (and 
> aggravation, when I discover I need some small part, lube, tool, etc.) And 
> I never forget - the people at Riv all need to eat, go to the doctor, put a 
> roof over their heads, etc.
>
> Keeping good organizations in business is very important.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:34:23 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If you've got a shop that will charge you for a Tune Up, and then give 
>> you a full frame-up assembly, that's a nice deal to find.  $100 is about 
>> right for a Tune Up.  Do you think they are really going to get the build 
>> done in under 2 hours?  Or do you think you're getting a good discount on 
>> their time?  Rivendell's build-service that is more like a "Tune Up" is the 
>> $150 job they charge for completes.  Your shop's $100 vs Riv's $150 sounds 
>> like more of an Apples to Apples comp...  If your shop knows what they are 
>> getting into when they quoted you $100, then I'm guessing something about 
>> your particular situation has the shop thinking the build is going to be 
>> super quick.  Like maybe your frame set is used and not new, and so there's 
>> zero prep and thread chasing involved.  Or maybe the BB and headset are 
>> already in there and don't have to be touched.  Or the cockpit is in a 
>> single piece already and/or there is no handlebar tape to wrap.  You've 
>> already implied they won't be touching the wheels because you bought new 
>> handbuilt wheels which are presumably perfecto.  At any rate, I'll stick to 
>> calling BS to the assertion that Riv is charging $300 for exactly the same 
>> service that normal bike shops would do for $100 or less.  If it's a 3-4 
>> hour build, it should cost 3-4 hours worth of labor.  If it's a 90 minute 
>> build, then $100 should cover it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:08:17 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> My husband-and-wife run LIBS is building my one and only bike (a Homer) 
>>> from parts and charging me $100 for it, the price they charge for a full 
>>> tune-up. They also charge $60/hour for a la carte services, as you point 
>>> out. I am happy to recommend them to anyone in the Boston metro. They 
>>> tastefully rehab older steel frames with new[er] parts and sell them for 
>>> $200-$400; they only sell steel frame bikes and operate out of a used car 
>>> lot's garage. Their inventory is like 3 new Surlys and maybe an All-State 
>>> or two. The rest are rehabs and they are absolute professionals about 
>>> everything they do. Mine isn't the first Riv they've built from parts 
>>> either. Perhaps the bike shops around you are a bit less affordable or have 
>>> to charge more to account for higher overhead, etc.  
>>>
>>> I'm not saying that Riv is *gouging*, I'm stating facts that there are 
>>> more affordable places to buy the exact same parts and more affordable 
>>> shops to build a bike. That is no way a slight on Riv, it's  just facts. 
>>> That said, I'm glad they promote and make a great margin on those 
>>> good-cheap parts and builds because I'm grateful for what that has allowed 
>>> them to do for bicycling as a whole. I appreciate their bikes and ethos, or 
>>> else I wouldn't be on this forum. 
>>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 "Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 
 charge"

 I'm going to call BS on this.  I sincerely doubt that there is a bike 
 shop on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them 
 building my bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, 
 when I've bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from 
 them.  It's a 3-4 hour job.  Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a 
 minute for the