Re: [RBW] One of twelve

[J L]

Without having read the Blagh, I have no answers to the questions Bill asked. 
Could this be one of the special Blug Lug exclusive fancy bikes mentioned in a 
previous Blagh months ago? 

JL

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[RBW] One of twelve

[Bill Lindsay]

At the very end of Grants latest Blagh (today is June 20, 2024) there's a 
prototype Riv center pull brake (interesting), a Riv front derailer 
(exciting), and a bike sporting a sticker indicating it is one of twelve in 
the universe, with two black rectangles blocking out something 
(provocative).  What is being blocked out by the two rectangles?  The model 
name of the bike?  The name of the secret unsuspecting person intended to 
receive that singular copy of those twelve bikes?  Vulgar profanity?  

Why am I the first to ask these important questions in this forum?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your Riv with Bullmoose bars

[ian m]

Also what are those brake levers??

On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:

> 
> 
> Mackenzy,
>
> What a useful looking mixte.  A few follow up questions for curious minds: 
>  
>
> Cable routing?  Is your rear brake cable wound up in your basketless 
> basket net?  What is that mount your have strapped to your swoopy top tube? 
>  I see two rings up front, are you finger shifting the front or just using 
> the big ring on this?  
>
> Thanks
> Dustin in VA
>
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2024, at 7:25 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 9:57:47 AM UTC-7 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> 66cm QB that gets daily/weekly love all around Berkeley. The Harlequin 
>> wrap has held up great over the past decade, thanks to shellac.
>>
>> > href="https://diesel.smugmug.com/Bici/Rivendell-Quickbeam/i-sDd4Xd9/A";>> src="
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/Bici/Rivendell-Quickbeam/i-sDd4Xd9/0/gVPV5h3ssGs2N8Bn38b2qNjd9NmWnvTLHMmtb3C9/L/P1030367-L.jpg";
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Re: [RBW] FS: nice dynamo wheelset

[dylan green]

open to reasonable offers

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 3:15 PM dylan green 
wrote:

> 700c Velocity Dyads laced to a shimano (rear) (currently setup with a 7
> speed) and a Sondelux wide up front. Barlow passes (setup traditionally
> with inner tubes). Lumotec front headlamp, and I forgot the name of the
> rear, but it was from Riv. The whole dynamo system works great. The
> wheelset could pass for new. I'm not entirely sure how many miles are on
> the wheelset as I don't normally run a computer, but I'd comfortably say
> well under 1K. Hoping I'm not too far off with pricing, but I'd like to get
> $800. I'm in Los Angeles. Shipping can be arranged, but realistically I'd
> like to have a shop handle all of that.
> Included some photos of it on my Atlantis frame just because the lighting
> was better the day I shot the frame. The close ups of the hubs don't do it
> justice with the low lighting. The front hub is shiny and looks amazing.
>
> Here is a link to photos:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kh4Jo2WlTV4i2AgDjgcFFQupRAt1NI8L?usp=sharing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your Riv with Bullmoose bars

[D D]

Mackenzy,What a useful looking mixte.  A few follow up questions for curious minds:  Cable routing?  Is your rear brake cable wound up in your basketless basket net?  What is that mount your have strapped to your swoopy top tube?  I see two rings up front, are you finger shifting the front or just using the big ring on this?  ThanksDustin in VAOn Jun 20, 2024, at 7:25 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 9:57:47 AM UTC-7 Berkeleyan wrote:66cm QB that gets daily/weekly love all around Berkeley. The Harlequin wrap has held up great over the past decade, thanks to shellac.https://diesel.smugmug.com/Bici/Rivendell-Quickbeam/i-sDd4Xd9/A">https://photos.smugmug.com/Bici/Rivendell-Quickbeam/i-sDd4Xd9/0/gVPV5h3ssGs2N8Bn38b2qNjd9NmWnvTLHMmtb3C9/L/P1030367-L.jpg" alt="">



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[RBW] FS: nice dynamo wheelset

[dylan green]

700c Velocity Dyads laced to a shimano (rear) (currently setup with a 7 
speed) and a Sondelux wide up front. Barlow passes (setup traditionally 
with inner tubes). Lumotec front headlamp, and I forgot the name of the 
rear, but it was from Riv. The whole dynamo system works great. The 
wheelset could pass for new. I'm not entirely sure how many miles are on 
the wheelset as I don't normally run a computer, but I'd comfortably say 
well under 1K. Hoping I'm not too far off with pricing, but I'd like to get 
$800. I'm in Los Angeles. Shipping can be arranged, but realistically I'd 
like to have a shop handle all of that.
Included some photos of it on my Atlantis frame just because the lighting 
was better the day I shot the frame. The close ups of the hubs don't do it 
justice with the low lighting. The front hub is shiny and looks amazing. 

Here is a link to photos: 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kh4Jo2WlTV4i2AgDjgcFFQupRAt1NI8L?usp=sharing

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Garth]

I've wanted to reply to this but have not the arrangement of words I find 
most fitting. Then I re-called this, 
https://realityandmind.wordpress.com/2018/04/18/freedom-to-choose-and-freedom-from-choice/
 
, and yes, that'll do just fine. This applies to "everything"/ 

I'll post it here as well :

*"  Freedom to choose and freedom from choice* 


























* Only a confused mind could mistake choice for freedom. Choice always 
implies that a sacrifice has to be made. Choice is a duality in desire. Two 
conflicting desires always imply the sacrifice of one in favour of the 
other. Choice is the paradigm of sacrifice, cost, unfulfillment and 
incompleteness. It is strange that in such a paradigm freedom could have 
any meaning at all when sacrifice is the rule. . If freedom has a meaning, 
it is freedom from choice, freedom from sacrifice, freedom from 
incompleteness and frustration. Only the divided heart has to choose. Only 
the broken heart has to keep on sacrificing a part of itself in order to 
save another. As long as the broken heart accepts choice, it cannot heal 
and remains broken. The freedom to choose is truly the obligation to 
sacrifice one’s heart. But for a heart who only knows sacrifice, the only 
way to find a peace of mind is to turn an obligation into a freedom and a 
sacrifice into an opportunity for gain. . A choosing heart doesn’t know 
what freedom means because it replaced its obligation to sacrifice by its 
freedom to choose. The whole frame of reference has been inverted in order 
to make the unacceptable acceptable. The words have been turned upside down 
in order to conceal the reality of its slavery. The certainty of loss is 
turned into an opportunity for gain. The immediate loss is not perceived, 
only the potential gain is pursued. Unless choice is seen for the 
obligation to sacrifice that it is, the individual remains in dreamland. 
The heart remains in chains. . Undivided, not compelled to choose, the free 
heart is whole, all for itself, in love with itself. It cannot gain 
anything simply because it is already whole. When there is nothing to gain, 
nothing has been lost. " *


All One Whole Beautiful Infinite Indivisible Being
Life Itself
: - ) 

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Chris Halasz]

58cm AHH 650b frame and fork, $1150 in Yorba Linda, CA. Seller offers great 
shipping prices. 

I'd be interested if it were just a one size bigger. 

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bop/d/yorba-linda-rivendell-ahh-homer-hilsen/7758713120.html
On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 6:52:07 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> 56cm Quickbeam frame & fork (new in box)
> $1200
> Portland, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-quickbeam-56cm-frame/7757375429.html
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> 52cm Appaloosa
>> Seattle, WA 
>> $1750
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-appaloosa/7757648574.html
>> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:56:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> PSA Nice looking 59 Clem L near Boston, MA @ $1,500 seems almost new (no 
>>> connection to the seller). I'm glad I didn't see this before buying my 
>>> Rosco Baby or I would've been very tempted :)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/bik/d/auburndale-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7756062078.html
>>>
>>> Pasting the ad for reference:
>>> >>I'm selling my Clem Smith Jr. It's a fantastic, smooth-riding 
>>> Dutch-style upright bicycle. If you know Rivendell, you know it's 
>>> well-designed, well-made, and well-sourced. I have too many bikes, and I've 
>>> ridden it only a handful of times for a total of fewer than fifty miles. It 
>>> deserves to be ridden and used.
>>>
>>> Here are the specs from the website for the year (2021):
>>> * FSA Duron Headset
>>> * Shimano 118mm Cartridge BB
>>> * Rivendell Silver 38/24t Crank
>>> * Tektro 837AL V-Brakes
>>> * Tektro RS360 Levers
>>> * Alex DM24 Rim / Novatech Hubs
>>> * Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm Tires (sturdy, puncture resistant, 
>>> reflective stripe)
>>> * Shimano Altus rear and front derailer
>>> * 11-34 cassette
>>> * A Microshift thumbie for the FD and an Acera trigger for the rear
>>> * Nitto Tallux Stem -110mm.
>>> * Our world famous Tosco handlebars, 60cm
>>> * Kalloy Seatpost
>>>
>>> It also has a sturdy rack, MKS Gamma pedals, which are grippy and wide, 
>>> and Oury matchy grips. I will also throw in a nice Kryptonite U-Lock and 
>>> key.
>>>
>>> It's a size 59, which translates into a large. I'm 6'0" and usually ride 
>>> a size 56 road bike and a size 19 mountain bike, and it fits me. I think it 
>>> can accommodate someone 5'8"-ish to 6'2" by adjusting the seat and the stem.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Valerie, 

 I thank you for sharing your information with me. It's nice to learn 
 something new. 

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 2:49 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> My Clem H from the first/2016 batch that came complete had wheels with 
> CLEM hubs. 
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel 
> before. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> 45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 
>
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html
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Re: [RBW] A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Chris Halasz]

My criteria for a helmet include protection for my head (from sun and 
impact), comfort (is light, breathable, fit), promotes visibility (for 
others and does not reduce visibility for me), and looks OK (both wearing 
and what it does to the hair upon removal). I don't expect much of any of 
those criteria for a helmet. As for fit, I recommend folks try on many: I 
require a size L or XL from Bell and Specialized, but just barely 
comfortably fit into a size medium with a Smith helmet. 

I consider it a nice thing that cycling provides an expectation for wearing 
a helmet. Honestly, I consider wearing a helmet to drive (hey, how many 
people still wear N95s when driving alone?), and wonder if that trend would 
catch on. 

Funny thing about cyclists: We''ll spend an extra hundred dollars on tires 
that might or might not increase our speed by a mile an hour or so, and who 
knows how much to reduce the bike's weight to add another mile an hour of 
performance. Noting that a crash at 14mph, likely exceeding a bike helmet's 
safety limit, introduces 1/3 additional energy at impact vs. crashing at 
12mph. And, oh, the nail-biting difference riding from twelve to fourteen 
miles an hour - takes your breath away. 

Of course, we really enjoy cycling for the exercise. But then spend 
hundreds of dollars more on tires and bike weight reduction to make the 
ride easier. 

Actually, we ride for the social benefits of being with a group of friends. 
And then spend hundreds of extra dollars on tires and bike weight reduction 
to drop those jerks on a sprint or climb. 

Seriously, I intentionally ride slower on the flats and descents, even 
tapping the brakes and sitting or standing upright to decrease speed, and 
go for it on the climbs. I love how my Clem is suited to me for that 
mindset. Somehow I hang on the climbs with the folks on their CF bikes. 

Not so seriously, I don't always wear a helmet. I in fact wear two around 
the house and in the shower. I just take one of the two off when I want to 
go for a ride. 

Cheers, 

Chris 
On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 10:51:43 AM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Too funny, I'm bummed I didn't get further through this thread before 
> responding:
>
> "The 81-year-old, *who was not wearing a helmet*, was transported to 
> Ryder Trauma Center in Miami with “serious” injuries, according to the 
> highway patrol."
>
> Doug
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 1:50 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>
>> Gene Hackman had a bike wreck at age 81 and survived with minimal 
>> injuries and could have said "thank god I wasn't wearing a helmet."
>> https://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/showbiz/hackman-accident/index.html
>>
>> Now, I am not saying he had no injuries because he was not wearing a 
>> helmet, but if he HAD been wearing a helmet, everyone would have said it 
>> saved his life!
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 3:30:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> No one has ever said: 
>>>
>>> “I had a bad bike wreck, thankfully I wasn’t wearing a helmet! 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Repaired Susie and Intro post

[Keith P.]

That thing looks mean.
Tough looking dirt digger. Well done!

On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 1:04:00 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> James, Iove the the rough look sans paint but I know you have to protect 
> the metal. An inspiring post all around. Doing your own frame rebuild and 
> making the effort to collect food scraps for compost. Kudos for your self 
> reliance.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 3:38:00 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>>
>> Ressurectio decals!
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 9:36 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:
>>
>> Was wondering what happened to this frame. The original poster never 
>> replied that I saw when I inquired about it way later. Your repair looks 
>> good. Nice to see it rolling. Should get some Protovelo decals from 
>> Rivendell and then paint it. There is that bike paint that Old Shovel uses, 
>> https://spraybike.us/ that may work. Strip down or partial strip then 
>> paint leaving the areas that have good paint still. Don't know if that 
>> would work. 
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 10:34:08 AM UTC-5 James ODonnell wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 1 built.jpg]
>>> Introducing myself and my Susie W L that I picked up in the following 
>>> state from a list member (original thread 
>>> 
>>> ).
>>> [image: 2 brokenframe.jpeg]
>>>
>>> After aligning the fork and rear triangle, I did some practice brazes, 
>>> hand mitered some tubes, chucked it all in a basic fixture and did my best 
>>> to match the original geometry based on a chart Will @ Rivendell kindly 
>>> shared with me. To my surprise I managed to produce a frame that rides 
>>> straight and has held up to almost a year of riding. 
>>>
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[RBW] Testing the waters... interest in a 47 Soma San Marcos?

[zem...@gmail.com]

Hi crew,

I'm considering selling my San Marcos in favor one of the upcoming 
Roadunos. My area is pretty flat and I'm intrigued by the long-n-light 
approach. The San Marcos is in great shape save for some beausage that came 
from the bike falling while locked up. It's in the original color with the 
French bend fork. Would probably sell for around 2k. I'm a 78 PBH so the 
bike is just a hair on the small side for me. Really excellent bike for a 
smaller rider. 

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Re: [RBW] Repaired Susie and Intro post

[RichS]

James, Iove the the rough look sans paint but I know you have to protect 
the metal. An inspiring post all around. Doing your own frame rebuild and 
making the effort to collect food scraps for compost. Kudos for your self 
reliance.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 3:38:00 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> Ressurectio decals!
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2024, at 9:36 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:
>
> Was wondering what happened to this frame. The original poster never 
> replied that I saw when I inquired about it way later. Your repair looks 
> good. Nice to see it rolling. Should get some Protovelo decals from 
> Rivendell and then paint it. There is that bike paint that Old Shovel uses, 
> https://spraybike.us/ that may work. Strip down or partial strip then 
> paint leaving the areas that have good paint still. Don't know if that 
> would work. 
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 10:34:08 AM UTC-5 James ODonnell wrote:
>
>> [image: 1 built.jpg]
>> Introducing myself and my Susie W L that I picked up in the following 
>> state from a list member (original thread 
>> 
>> ).
>> [image: 2 brokenframe.jpeg]
>>
>> After aligning the fork and rear triangle, I did some practice brazes, 
>> hand mitered some tubes, chucked it all in a basic fixture and did my best 
>> to match the original geometry based on a chart Will @ Rivendell kindly 
>> shared with me. To my surprise I managed to produce a frame that rides 
>> straight and has held up to almost a year of riding. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Now officially a member

[Steve]

Ted - I love those meaty Thunder Burts!  You've got yourself a gooding 
looking Platypus there.
Welcome to the 'Man on a Mixte' club. 

Steve in AVL
- proudly riding a 2022 Mermaid Platypus
On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 9:55:01 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> Lovely bike. Welcome to the Platy owners fold. 
>
> Roberta - that is the Sergio green from the latest run, like mine. The 
> lime-olive from the first run sold out in a hot minute. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 9:35:41 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Please update us how you like it after a few rides or a few hundred miles 
>> which won't be long.  I'm sure it rides like a dream.  What a beauty!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 6:59:54 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lovely lime-olive!  Enjoy your ride. And, if you can ride with Leah in a 
>>> few weeks you’ll find her happiness infectious. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 5:36:02 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: image0.jpeg]
 Still needs some racks and other changes, but here she is.

 Thinking of having some 44 slicks on for when I’m on the road (opinions 
 welcome). And possibly swapping the Shimano dyno hub and the light with 
 the 
 SON and Edelux I have on my other bike. 

 Will likely never be done with accessorizing. Considering Pass and Stow 
 rack instead of the Nitto. And unsure of direction with fenders. 

 Relative to the N+1 crowd, heard. Small garage and a mental focus on 
 minimizing the “stuff” I don’t use…I may sell the old bike. It may become 
 something else. Will see….

 Ted

 On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Mathias Steiner  
 wrote:

 

 Welcome indeed.
 You MUST be new here -- where are the pictures??

 Also congratulations on New Bike Day. You added to your quiver, all 
 good.

 But where does this "bike to sell" idea come from..? 
 N+1

 cheers -mathias


 On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 7:18:57 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> Welcome T!!
> Happy Rolling
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Picked up my Platypus today at Mack's Bike and Goods here in 
>> Evanston, IL. Rode my old bike there, and left it at the shop (maybe 
>> forever?). Put 30 miles on the tires, and almost 2 hours of smiles on my 
>> face. 
>>
>> Team at Riv (James in this instance) were supportive in the shopping 
>> phase. 
>>
>> All good. Now I've an old bike to sell.
>>
>> T
>>
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Re: [RBW] A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Doug Van Cleve]

Too funny, I'm bummed I didn't get further through this thread before
responding:

"The 81-year-old, *who was not wearing a helmet*, was transported to Ryder
Trauma Center in Miami with “serious” injuries, according to the highway
patrol."

Doug

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 1:50 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> Gene Hackman had a bike wreck at age 81 and survived with minimal injuries
> and could have said "thank god I wasn't wearing a helmet."
> https://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/showbiz/hackman-accident/index.html
>
> Now, I am not saying he had no injuries because he was not wearing a
> helmet, but if he HAD been wearing a helmet, everyone would have said it
> saved his life!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 3:30:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> No one has ever said:
>>
>> “I had a bad bike wreck, thankfully I wasn’t wearing a helmet!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Doug Van Cleve]

Now THIS is good stuff ;^)

I always wear a helmet, I've replaced 2 due to impact with the ground.  Did
either save me?  Who knows, but I'd rather have some questional styrofoam
between my cranium and the ground than not.  Grant's writing is
interesting, and I certainly don't think helmets are magic or anything and
it may well be that we're being sold a false bill of goods as to how much
good they do.  I personally don't think anybody wearing a helmet rides more
aggressively or foolishly because of it, and is there ANY data that
suggests it's worse to wear a potentially marginal head protector than to
not wear anything up there?  That said, it drives me nuts when cyclists are
hit and or killed and "were they wearing a helmet" is the first question.
I tell me wife, if you're pulverized by a car it probably doesn't matter...

Regards, Doug


On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 1:30 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No one has ever said:
>
> “I had a bad bike wreck, thankfully I wasn’t wearing a helmet!"
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your Riv with Bullmoose bars

[Berkeleyan]

66cm QB that gets daily/weekly love all around Berkeley. The Harlequin wrap 
has held up great over the past decade, thanks to shellac.

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[RBW] Re: Platypus S24O

[Tim Bantham]

Fantastic! And great that your son came along. I think the Platypus makes 
good sense as a touring bike. I'm planning to give mine a trial run. 
Yesterday I booked an Amtrak train from Albany to Utica, NY. I'll ride back 
East as an overnight trip. Total distance is a little over 100 miles. I 
want to give the Platypus a try before I do a week long trip on it. Thanks 
for sharing your S24O experiences. 

Tim

On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 11:04:32 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Nicely done! Gorgeous pics. You are lucky to have such a lovely place 
> nearby. Your approach is great for building interest and confidence. Hope 
> you enjoy many more adventures with your son and share the pics here.
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 5:16:24 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Most excellent! 
>>
>> S24Os represent so much value and have weathered the time since named and 
>> promoted at Rivendell. They offer a taste, a trial experience and a low 
>> regret situation if some part of your prep or kit isn't right. It becomes 
>> the threshold of a whole new set of opportunities with your bike, 
>> especially for your son. Kudos for doing that for him.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:36:33 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Intrigued by recent examples and talks of light touring on a Platypus 
>>> (Leah, Diana H, Tim B), and spotting an opportunity to get out Tuesday 
>>> evening in advance of the Juneteenth holiday, I packed two of my bikes up 
>>> for a light weight, sub-twelve hour overnight with my son. Our destination 
>>> was a local town owned forest with several primitive camp sites (no 
>>> facilities) less than a 10-mile ride away.
>>>
>>> This outing served a few purposes, 1) to see how the Platypus would fare 
>>> with a light overnight load, 2) to see just how light a load I could get 
>>> away with for two people (each with their own sleep setup), and 3) to see 
>>> how my middle son (the one most interested in bike rides with dad), would 
>>> take to pedaling his own load.
>>>
>>> My Platypus carried my sleeping gear, stove kit (unused), bike tool kit, 
>>> and a few bars for food (an advantage of waiting until after dinner to ride 
>>> out). My son's bike carried his sleeping gear (using a seat pack and 
>>> harness setup). Massachusetts is in the midst of a heat wave with highs 
>>> near 100F and lows in the 70s, so we didn't need to pack extra sleeping 
>>> layers and could use minimal bedding.
>>>
>>> The Platypus did great - due to the minimal packing load my Happisack 
>>> weighed under 9lbs and my Tunitas basket bag under 5lbs. My stem bag 
>>> carried an extra 32oz of water (unused). My son enjoyed the overnight and 
>>> is open to doing a longer ride (~30mi each way) out to a State Forest 
>>> campground (with facilities!). We'll need to carry more food (and possibly 
>>> layers) on that trip; putting a couple of more lbs on the Platy and using a 
>>> frame bag on my son's bike should do the trick.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240619_100254533_k64-1800.jpg]
>>> [image: ig2.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: ig3.jpg]
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus S24O

[Valerie Yates]

Nicely done! Gorgeous pics. You are lucky to have such a lovely place 
nearby. Your approach is great for building interest and confidence. Hope 
you enjoy many more adventures with your son and share the pics here.

On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 5:16:24 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> Most excellent! 
>
> S24Os represent so much value and have weathered the time since named and 
> promoted at Rivendell. They offer a taste, a trial experience and a low 
> regret situation if some part of your prep or kit isn't right. It becomes 
> the threshold of a whole new set of opportunities with your bike, 
> especially for your son. Kudos for doing that for him.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:36:33 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Intrigued by recent examples and talks of light touring on a Platypus 
>> (Leah, Diana H, Tim B), and spotting an opportunity to get out Tuesday 
>> evening in advance of the Juneteenth holiday, I packed two of my bikes up 
>> for a light weight, sub-twelve hour overnight with my son. Our destination 
>> was a local town owned forest with several primitive camp sites (no 
>> facilities) less than a 10-mile ride away.
>>
>> This outing served a few purposes, 1) to see how the Platypus would fare 
>> with a light overnight load, 2) to see just how light a load I could get 
>> away with for two people (each with their own sleep setup), and 3) to see 
>> how my middle son (the one most interested in bike rides with dad), would 
>> take to pedaling his own load.
>>
>> My Platypus carried my sleeping gear, stove kit (unused), bike tool kit, 
>> and a few bars for food (an advantage of waiting until after dinner to ride 
>> out). My son's bike carried his sleeping gear (using a seat pack and 
>> harness setup). Massachusetts is in the midst of a heat wave with highs 
>> near 100F and lows in the 70s, so we didn't need to pack extra sleeping 
>> layers and could use minimal bedding.
>>
>> The Platypus did great - due to the minimal packing load my Happisack 
>> weighed under 9lbs and my Tunitas basket bag under 5lbs. My stem bag 
>> carried an extra 32oz of water (unused). My son enjoyed the overnight and 
>> is open to doing a longer ride (~30mi each way) out to a State Forest 
>> campground (with facilities!). We'll need to carry more food (and possibly 
>> layers) on that trip; putting a couple of more lbs on the Platy and using a 
>> frame bag on my son's bike should do the trick.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20240619_100254533_k64-1800.jpg]
>> [image: ig2.jpg]
>>
>> [image: ig3.jpg]
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Now officially a member

[Dorothy C]

Lovely bike. Welcome to the Platy owners fold. 

Roberta - that is the Sergio green from the latest run, like mine. The 
lime-olive from the first run sold out in a hot minute. 

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 9:35:41 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Please update us how you like it after a few rides or a few hundred miles 
> which won't be long.  I'm sure it rides like a dream.  What a beauty!
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 6:59:54 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>>
>> Lovely lime-olive!  Enjoy your ride. And, if you can ride with Leah in a 
>> few weeks you’ll find her happiness infectious. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 5:36:02 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Still needs some racks and other changes, but here she is.
>>>
>>> Thinking of having some 44 slicks on for when I’m on the road (opinions 
>>> welcome). And possibly swapping the Shimano dyno hub and the light with the 
>>> SON and Edelux I have on my other bike. 
>>>
>>> Will likely never be done with accessorizing. Considering Pass and Stow 
>>> rack instead of the Nitto. And unsure of direction with fenders. 
>>>
>>> Relative to the N+1 crowd, heard. Small garage and a mental focus on 
>>> minimizing the “stuff” I don’t use…I may sell the old bike. It may become 
>>> something else. Will see….
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Mathias Steiner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Welcome indeed.
>>> You MUST be new here -- where are the pictures??
>>>
>>> Also congratulations on New Bike Day. You added to your quiver, all good.
>>>
>>> But where does this "bike to sell" idea come from..? 
>>> N+1
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 7:18:57 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Welcome T!!
 Happy Rolling
 -Kai

 On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> Picked up my Platypus today at Mack's Bike and Goods here in Evanston, 
> IL. Rode my old bike there, and left it at the shop (maybe forever?). Put 
> 30 miles on the tires, and almost 2 hours of smiles on my face. 
>
> Team at Riv (James in this instance) were supportive in the shopping 
> phase. 
>
> All good. Now I've an old bike to sell.
>
> T
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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:33:04 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

Most bike crashes are solo falls.  


Do you have a source of statistics to back up that claim?

My experience over 50 years is 3 falls caused by being hit by a car (+1 hit 
by car where I didn't fall), 3 by tangling with another cyclist, 2 by a dog 
running into my front wheel, and 1 by a hawk flying into my front wheel. My 
"solo falls" are twice going down on ice and once going down on a dirt road 
mountain descent hairpin turn. I was wearing a helmet on all of those 
occasions except one of the dog incidents. On the hawk incident the helmet 
likely spared me some damage, and on the one dog incident a helmet likely 
would have spared me the concussion and cuts. All the others, including all 
three of the car incidents, two of which involved flipping over the hoods 
of the cars, the helmet didn't come into play.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Platypus S24O

[ascpgh]

Most excellent! 

S24Os represent so much value and have weathered the time since named and 
promoted at Rivendell. They offer a taste, a trial experience and a low 
regret situation if some part of your prep or kit isn't right. It becomes 
the threshold of a whole new set of opportunities with your bike, 
especially for your son. Kudos for doing that for him.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 7:36:33 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Intrigued by recent examples and talks of light touring on a Platypus 
> (Leah, Diana H, Tim B), and spotting an opportunity to get out Tuesday 
> evening in advance of the Juneteenth holiday, I packed two of my bikes up 
> for a light weight, sub-twelve hour overnight with my son. Our destination 
> was a local town owned forest with several primitive camp sites (no 
> facilities) less than a 10-mile ride away.
>
> This outing served a few purposes, 1) to see how the Platypus would fare 
> with a light overnight load, 2) to see just how light a load I could get 
> away with for two people (each with their own sleep setup), and 3) to see 
> how my middle son (the one most interested in bike rides with dad), would 
> take to pedaling his own load.
>
> My Platypus carried my sleeping gear, stove kit (unused), bike tool kit, 
> and a few bars for food (an advantage of waiting until after dinner to ride 
> out). My son's bike carried his sleeping gear (using a seat pack and 
> harness setup). Massachusetts is in the midst of a heat wave with highs 
> near 100F and lows in the 70s, so we didn't need to pack extra sleeping 
> layers and could use minimal bedding.
>
> The Platypus did great - due to the minimal packing load my Happisack 
> weighed under 9lbs and my Tunitas basket bag under 5lbs. My stem bag 
> carried an extra 32oz of water (unused). My son enjoyed the overnight and 
> is open to doing a longer ride (~30mi each way) out to a State Forest 
> campground (with facilities!). We'll need to carry more food (and possibly 
> layers) on that trip; putting a couple of more lbs on the Platy and using a 
> frame bag on my son's bike should do the trick.
>
> [image: PXL_20240619_100254533_k64-1800.jpg]
> [image: ig2.jpg]
>
> [image: ig3.jpg]
>
> -Dave
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Roberta]

Ted, thank you for the VA Tech article and ratings testing helmets. I’m 
glad you were able to type the info. 

Pam, like you, always wear mine, although a few times I’ve forgotten to put 
it on for my 2 mile ride to work. If I realize within a few blocks, I’ll go 
home to retrieve it. The only fall I’ve had in recent years was solo at 
slow speed and was glad my helmet met the ground directly with a light 
thump, and not my head.

 Still, everyone needs to make that decision for himself. 

What is the thought of when to replace-5 years, 10 years, marketing ploy? 
 My newest helmet is about 5 years old. 

Roberta
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 9:53:57 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> Notes from personal experience. Your experience and views may be different.
>
> Lived for 3 years in the southern Netherlands, and it's wonderful place to 
> cycle both for transit and for exercise. When cycling for transportation 
> (shopping, going out to dinner, etc.), yes, it is common to see people 
> without helmets. Dedicated lanes, slower traffic overall (read - speed 
> cameras work), and again dedicated bike lanes made car/bicycle less 
> worrisome. Plus the cycling is low speed, figure 10-12 mph. 
>
> However, when taking out the road bike for exercise, helmets were common. 
> Nice lanes even outside of the major areas. Loved the path-side garbage 
> nets, set up to have the cyclists toss their banana peels, etc. as they 
> rode by. 
>
> Back here in the US, I was on a dedicated path. No cars. Ran over a stick 
> (apparently, as I remember nothing), which caught in my spokes, and I 
> scorpioned. Fractured skull, and a  range of other fun things. If I was not 
> wearing a  helmet, I'm not typing this today. Even with one, the long term 
> impact of traumatic brain injury (TBI) is not small. 
>
> Back on the bike, and using one of the top rated helmets from VA Tech (
> https://helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html). 
>
> One can choose not to wear one. 
>
> I'll be wearing mine. 
>
> T
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 8:04:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> What I find most illuminating and encouraging about this discussion is 
>> that it is such a wonderful example of civil discourse. On a topic that can 
>> be quite polarizing because of each individual's experiences and emotional 
>> investment, it is remarkable to see the conversation progress along 
>> reasonable, respectful lines of inquiry and anecdote. Bravo to the members 
>> of this forum! If only our society at large could be so...Rivish!
>>
>> On a side note, Edwin I did check out the Gene Hackman article and was 
>> immediately dismayed by the headline: "Gene Hackman struck by car while 
>> riding a bike." In fact, he was struck by *the careless driver *of said 
>> car (unless the vehicle in question was an autonomous vehicle). Blaming the 
>> accident on the car shifts responsibility from where it actually rests: the 
>> driver. Careful drivers don't strike cyclists or pedestrians, and careful 
>> people don't have accidents. At least, not when they're being careful.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the 
>>> CA coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
>>> horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
>>> significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
>>> investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
>>> on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
>>> sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
>>> some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. 
>>> I've 
>>> seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
>>> this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 
>>>
>>> If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
>>> them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
>>> kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to 
>>> follow, but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what 
>>> they require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main 
>>> things:  1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of 
>>> crash modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam 
>>> material is about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be 
>>> to properly cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, 
>>> and they're being applied in football helmets, for example. But their 
>>> applicability to cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, 
>>> duration of activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 
>>>
>>> Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
>>> wearing helmets is just as safe or saf