[RBW] Re: FS: saddles, seat post, brakeset, fenders, front derailleur, frame pump and a messenger bag

[Kim H.]

The white Bleummel fenders are SOLD
Everything else is still available and for sale.

Kim Hetzel. 
On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 4:46:54 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I am accepting offers on the following:
>
> Terry Cite X Gel saddle -$30.00
> Terry Cite X Gel Italia saddle - $30.00
> or for both $50.00
> Excellent condition
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XktsSZ1Sv3LacQdu6
>
> Avocet seat post 26.8mm - $45.00
> NOS - excellent condition
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KG6zSJ7r52qDwSNR7
>
> Nitto Technomic stem 25.4 clamp diameter - $40.00
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HpGuKTVUmKDs5e956
> Used in fair condition  
>
> Campagnolo Nuovo Record brakeset -  $200.00
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zFZ4tdooKfxMCbUM8
> Used in very good condition with abrasions on levers
>
> Bleummel fenders - $60.00
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GZJRsy24ZbFpp4ih6
> One set with a spare rear fender - Good to very good condition 
>
> Suntour Cyclone front derailleur with rare cage extension- $40.00
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3fMM2pgdcfEqmNBv6
> Very good condition
>
> Silca Imperio black frame pump with Campy steel head - $45.00
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XkZbNweo7ug1x45Q9
> Very good condition
>
> Ortlieb messenger bag - $75.00
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nC3XN6piVZbEk4s26
> Brand new - received as a gift - never used
>
> Combined shipping costs available
> Pricing does not include shipping in the lower 48 states
> Paypal payment, please.
>
> Any questions, email me.
>
> Kim Hetzel
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger Squeal

[John Rinker]

Thanks Brian! I would enjoy reading your process for 'very meticulous(ly) 
getting a proper toe-in'. 

Would that be a typical difference between machined and non-machined rims- 
the singing? 

Cheers, John

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 4:39:27 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:

> I ordered machined Cliffhangers for my Gus, and am using Paul Motolites 
> with the standard Paul-supplied Kool Stop salmons. No squealing whatsoever. 
> Probably due to the machined sidewall, but also bc I’m very meticulous 
> about getting a proper toe-in on my pads.
>
> -Brian
> Lexington KY 
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 7:26 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> Hey Ryan, Thanks for the further info. I'll try the dual compound as 
> things get wetter up here in BC. Now I'm wondering if it's something in the 
> nature of non-machined rims and the softer compound of the salmon pads that 
> makes them 'sing'?
>
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:34:19 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey John! I used the duel compound on my Cliffhanger’s and had no squeal 
>> so I wouldn’t hesitate to use those again either,
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bill. I'll throw some black compound in there and look forward to 
>>> the silence.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For me, the answer was Kool Stop Black. For me, always try salmon 
 first, but don't be scared to try something else next.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Good evening,
>
> I seem to remember some discussion from a while back about how 
> Cliffhanger rims don't seem to play well with KoolStop salmon pads. It 
> seems the dual compound pads are preferred. Am I remembering this 
> correctly?
>
> I've got a wheel set of Cliffhanger rims with un-machined sidewalls 
> the run between some Avid v-brakes with salmon pads. Despite clean rims 
> and 
> a proper toe-in - perhaps too generous - the rims will often squeal like 
> banshees.
>
> Any thoughts on how the banshees might be vanquished (silver bullet? 
> stake through the heart? Avada Kedavra?) would be appreciated.
>
> I use the KoolStop smooth-post salmon pads with my Paul Neo-retros on 
> my Atlantis without issue, but these are with Dyad un-machined rims.
>
> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Adam in Indiana]

I’ve been riding 559’s for years on a roady single speed, and have never 
had problems or complaints with them. Anecdotal, I know, but just thought 
I’d throw in a few words in their favor. I would have been happy with 
cantis on the Roaduno as well, but not if it meant an Appaloosa or Hunqua 
frame…I wanted the lighter “every-road” frame.

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 2:52:49 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> The brakes on the completes are not exactly Tektro 559. From 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/roaduno-complete :
>
> *Brakes:* Sidepulls, long reach. Brand is Yokuzuna. They're cold-forged 
> and excellent, and are nearly identical to Tektro 559 (57-73mm brake reach)
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:56:31 AM UTC-5 mwill...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Tektro 559”s clear SKS 50mm fenders just fine.
>> [image: image0.png]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 11:42 AM, J Schwartz  wrote:
>>
>> Did RBW say if they were upgrading the stock pads on those Yokozuna 
>> brakes?
>>
>> The 559's with decent pads have worked totally fine for me.
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Oh, it definitely is!
>>>
>>> And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning 
>>> and collecting for my build.
>>>
>>> Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they 
>>> lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not 
>>> on road.
>>>
>>> They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the 
>>> Uno frame set page.
>>>
>>> I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - 
>>> they’re not exactly cheap!
>>>
>>> Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on 
>>> everything granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot 
>>> nd i swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most 
>>> powerful brakes ever but they seem to do the job.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or 
 Homer, Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the 
 headset/stem and seat binder bolt.

 My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have 
 a Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup 
 with the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
 Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
 between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
 adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
 light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not 
 maxed 
 out on the front of the Malocchio.

 Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
 they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
 problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
 problematic.

 I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am 
 not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 
 38s, 
 fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
 3x1. It also brakes fine.

 -Dave

 On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:

> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
> following:
>
>
>
> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
> way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not 
> sure 
> I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>
> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
> lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures 
> show that clearly.
>
> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. 
> Overall I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
>> weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne 
>> as 
>> canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
>> clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size 
>> for 
>> my size frame 

Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger Squeal

[Brian Turner]

I ordered machined Cliffhangers for my Gus, and am using Paul Motolites with the standard Paul-supplied Kool Stop salmons. No squealing whatsoever. Probably due to the machined sidewall, but also bc I’m very meticulous about getting a proper toe-in on my pads.-BrianLexington KY On Jun 28, 2024, at 7:26 PM, John Rinker  wrote:Hey Ryan, Thanks for the further info. I'll try the dual compound as things get wetter up here in BC. Now I'm wondering if it's something in the nature of non-machined rims and the softer compound of the salmon pads that makes them 'sing'?Cheers, JohnOn Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:34:19 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Hey John! I used the duel compound on my Cliffhanger’s and had no squeal so I wouldn’t hesitate to use those again either,On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:Thanks Bill. I'll throw some black compound in there and look forward to the silence.Cheers, JohnOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:For me, the answer was Kool Stop Black. For me, always try salmon first, but don't be scared to try something else next.Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:Good evening,I seem to remember some discussion from a while back about how Cliffhanger rims don't seem to play well with KoolStop salmon pads. It seems the dual compound pads are preferred. Am I remembering this correctly?I've got a wheel set of Cliffhanger rims with un-machined sidewalls the run between some Avid v-brakes with salmon pads. Despite clean rims and a proper toe-in - perhaps too generous - the rims will often squeal like banshees.Any thoughts on how the banshees might be vanquished (silver bullet? stake through the heart? Avada Kedavra?) would be appreciated.I use the KoolStop smooth-post salmon pads with my Paul Neo-retros on my Atlantis without issue, but these are with Dyad un-machined rims.Cheers, John



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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger Squeal

[John Rinker]

Hey Ryan, Thanks for the further info. I'll try the dual compound as things 
get wetter up here in BC. Now I'm wondering if it's something in the nature 
of non-machined rims and the softer compound of the salmon pads that makes 
them 'sing'?

Cheers, John

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:34:19 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey John! I used the duel compound on my Cliffhanger’s and had no squeal 
> so I wouldn’t hesitate to use those again either,
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill. I'll throw some black compound in there and look forward to 
>> the silence.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For me, the answer was Kool Stop Black. For me, always try salmon first, 
>>> but don't be scared to try something else next.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Good evening,

 I seem to remember some discussion from a while back about how 
 Cliffhanger rims don't seem to play well with KoolStop salmon pads. It 
 seems the dual compound pads are preferred. Am I remembering this 
 correctly?

 I've got a wheel set of Cliffhanger rims with un-machined sidewalls the 
 run between some Avid v-brakes with salmon pads. Despite clean rims and a 
 proper toe-in - perhaps too generous - the rims will often squeal like 
 banshees.

 Any thoughts on how the banshees might be vanquished (silver bullet? 
 stake through the heart? Avada Kedavra?) would be appreciated.

 I use the KoolStop smooth-post salmon pads with my Paul Neo-retros on 
 my Atlantis without issue, but these are with Dyad un-machined rims.

 Cheers, John

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[J S]

Gordon, thanks. I ordered a Technomic XL today from Ben’s.  Also some bar
tape from rivendell? Of course a faceplate would, if I needed to change it
again make life easier.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 2:16 PM Gordon Stam  wrote:

> Gorgonzola. Now there's an online moniker. Is it too late to change my
> screen name?
>
> When I got my 59 cm Clem I put a Technomic stem on it with a 130mm reach
> and was thinking that perhaps I should have gotten a 64 because I had the
> stem maxed out to get the handlebars up to the height I wanted.  In a
> similar configuration the faceplate stem gave me two more inches (51mm) of
> rise. That did the trick. I've since gone to a faceplate with a 110
> extension and a handlebar with more rise and everything is still hunky dory.
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:38:06 AM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gorgonzola. I’ll look at Nitto face plate.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:42 PM Gordon Stam  wrote:
>>
> Joel, maybe look into one of those Nitto 4 bolt face plate stems. I
>>> believe that the quill is just as long as the Technomic, or Tallux, at 225
>>> cm but the stem comes out at 90 degrees which gives you a few extra cm of
>>> height. A little geometry, or an online stem length/height calculator, will
>>> tell you how much.
>>>
>>> Concerning a step through for balance issue mitigation - I don't know.
>>> Maybe getting on is easier since you don't necessarily have to swing your
>>> leg over the saddle but when you stop the lack of a crossbar makes keeping
>>> the bike upright a little trickier. I got my Clem Jr. this spring (love it,
>>> actually) and that lack of a cross bar caught me out on a few occasions and
>>> I dropped the bike. I've since gotten used to it, sort of. That said youay
>>> be right, getting on and off might be easier if the balance is getting to
>>> be an issue. Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 4:32 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 @Joel,

 You are more than welcome.
 I hope it works out very well for you.
 Send some pictures to us herein would be nice, when you get it
 installed.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7 J S wrote:

> Kim,
> I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem,
> maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that.
>
> Thanks again.
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> You are more than welcome, Joel.
>>
>> So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar
>> higher ? Right  ?
>>
>> After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem.
>> I was and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the
>> threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike
>> would not look right.
>>
>> Let me know what your decision choice is.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Kim.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed
>>> slower. But if I can still ride I am happy.
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem
> 
> on my 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going 
> threadless. I am
> happy with it on my Clem.
>
> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>
>> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer
>> extender. I am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” 
>> added
>> height. That might be the least expensive way ro go about this and 
>> solve
>> the problem. I am hoping it is feasible.
>>
>> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
>> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to 
>> the
>> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change,
>>> would be to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube 
>>> with a
>>> taller one.
>>> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are
>>> to keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you 
>>> choose. The

Re: [RBW] FS: B17 Special Ti (brown), Nitto Mark Front Rack, Carradice Bag

[Eliot Balogh]

Saddle is sold pending payment

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:22 PM Eliot B  wrote:

> All prices are OBO.
>
> Brooks B17 Special Titanium - antique brown with some patina but in
> excellent shape with full tension bolt left. $150
>
> Nitto Marks Rack $100
> Missing a set of struts (Riv sells them for $17)
>
> Carradice Bag
> Has seen better days but core bag is in excellent shape. Could use some
> leather refresh if you’re type A. $45
>
> Vintage SILCA Impero Pump from 54cm frame. $45
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Mike Packard]

The brakes on the completes are not exactly Tektro 559. From 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/roaduno-complete :

*Brakes:* Sidepulls, long reach. Brand is Yokuzuna. They're cold-forged and 
excellent, and are nearly identical to Tektro 559 (57-73mm brake reach)

Mike


On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:56:31 AM UTC-5 mwill...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tektro 559”s clear SKS 50mm fenders just fine.
> [image: image0.png]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 11:42 AM, J Schwartz  wrote:
>
> Did RBW say if they were upgrading the stock pads on those Yokozuna 
> brakes?
>
> The 559's with decent pads have worked totally fine for me.
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Oh, it definitely is!
>>
>> And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning 
>> and collecting for my build.
>>
>> Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they 
>> lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not 
>> on road.
>>
>> They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the 
>> Uno frame set page.
>>
>> I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - 
>> they’re not exactly cheap!
>>
>> Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on 
>> everything granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot 
>> nd i swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most 
>> powerful brakes ever but they seem to do the job.
>>
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
>>> Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
>>> and seat binder bolt.
>>>
>>> My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
>>> Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
>>> the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
>>> Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
>>> between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
>>> adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
>>> light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
>>> out on the front of the Malocchio.
>>>
>>> Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
>>> they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
>>> problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
>>> problematic.
>>>
>>> I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am 
>>> not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
>>> fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
>>> 3x1. It also brakes fine.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>>>
 Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
 wrote:

 I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
 following:



 (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
 way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure 
 I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.

 (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
 lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
 Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures 
 show that clearly.

 (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall 
 I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 

 On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:

> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
> weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne 
> as 
> canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
> clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size 
> for 
> my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes 
> kill it for me. 
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
>> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that 
>> Rivendell 
>> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a 
>> single 
>> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On 

[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger Squeal

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey John! I used the duel compound on my Cliffhanger’s and had no squeal so 
I wouldn’t hesitate to use those again either,

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Thanks Bill. I'll throw some black compound in there and look forward to 
> the silence.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For me, the answer was Kool Stop Black. For me, always try salmon first, 
>> but don't be scared to try something else next.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening,
>>>
>>> I seem to remember some discussion from a while back about how 
>>> Cliffhanger rims don't seem to play well with KoolStop salmon pads. It 
>>> seems the dual compound pads are preferred. Am I remembering this correctly?
>>>
>>> I've got a wheel set of Cliffhanger rims with un-machined sidewalls the 
>>> run between some Avid v-brakes with salmon pads. Despite clean rims and a 
>>> proper toe-in - perhaps too generous - the rims will often squeal like 
>>> banshees.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how the banshees might be vanquished (silver bullet? 
>>> stake through the heart? Avada Kedavra?) would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> I use the KoolStop smooth-post salmon pads with my Paul Neo-retros on my 
>>> Atlantis without issue, but these are with Dyad un-machined rims.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Cross posted

[Bernard Duhon]

I have a 12 X 26x26  inch S coupling hardshell travel case
Used, it shows usual scuffs from baggage handling.

I would like to trade it for an S coupling soft travel case







Bernard F. Duhon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem report: most free ever

[Gordon Stam]

I thought I'd be the first one to post a rare left side view of a 59 Clem 
but Franco beat me to it. 3 months into ownership and the picture was taken 
about 6 weeks ago. The snow's all gone now. 



On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 8:57:28 AM UTC-6 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Figuring out what set up I’ll use for some overnight trips this summer! 
> Super stoked.
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Franco Rinaldi 
> c:  646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>
> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> it's all very simple. You need a thrower, a catcher (if available) and a 
> photographer; boom!
> Or maybe is it photoshop sorcery? One might never know.
> I'm glad you like it! 
>
> here's another one: 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 3:20:22 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Oli,
>> Tell me your secret of how you got your Clem to float in the air ?  This 
>> is amazing. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 10:09:30 PM UTC-7 Olivier Chételat wrote:
>>
>>> Two weeks ownership on this 59 Clem. My most minimal build with no rack 
>>> and no front derailer. It's set up like my 59 Atlantis and -despite being 
>>> longer in the virtual top tube- rides pretty much the same: dreamy. 
>>> Franco, we all need a picture of your new bike or (as the proverb say) 
>>> it did not happen.
>>> Have all the fun riding your Clem!
>>>
>>> Oli in SF
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: 11BD74CD-15DF-49F4-87A9-611D1DA907CC.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:42:39 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I’m about a month into my Clem ownership. It’s the most free and fun 
 I’ve ever felt on a bike. Makes me not mind riding slow and soft pedaling. 
 Can’t wait to do an over nighter with it. 

 Franco Rinaldi 
 c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Gordon Stam]

Gorgonzola. Now there's an online moniker. Is it too late to change my 
screen name?

When I got my 59 cm Clem I put a Technomic stem on it with a 130mm reach 
and was thinking that perhaps I should have gotten a 64 because I had the 
stem maxed out to get the handlebars up to the height I wanted.  In a 
similar configuration the faceplate stem gave me two more inches (51mm) of 
rise. That did the trick. I've since gone to a faceplate with a 110 
extension and a handlebar with more rise and everything is still hunky dory.

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:38:06 AM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Gorgonzola. I’ll look at Nitto face plate.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:42 PM Gordon Stam  wrote:
>
>> Joel, maybe look into one of those Nitto 4 bolt face plate stems. I 
>> believe that the quill is just as long as the Technomic, or Tallux, at 225 
>> cm but the stem comes out at 90 degrees which gives you a few extra cm of 
>> height. A little geometry, or an online stem length/height calculator, will 
>> tell you how much.
>>
>> Concerning a step through for balance issue mitigation - I don't know. 
>> Maybe getting on is easier since you don't necessarily have to swing your 
>> leg over the saddle but when you stop the lack of a crossbar makes keeping 
>> the bike upright a little trickier. I got my Clem Jr. this spring (love it, 
>> actually) and that lack of a cross bar caught me out on a few occasions and 
>> I dropped the bike. I've since gotten used to it, sort of. That said youay 
>> be right, getting on and off might be easier if the balance is getting to 
>> be an issue. Good luck!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 4:32 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> @Joel,
>>>
>>> You are more than welcome. 
>>> I hope it works out very well for you.
>>> Send some pictures to us herein would be nice, when you get it installed.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>>
 Kim, 
 I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem, 
 maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that. 

 Thanks again. 
 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> You are more than welcome, Joel. 
>
> So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar 
> higher ? Right  ?
>
> After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I 
> was and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the 
> threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike 
> would not look right. 
>
> Let me know what your decision choice is. 
>
> Sincerely, 
> Kim.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed 
>> slower. But if I can still ride I am happy. 
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel,

 I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem 
  
 on my 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. 
 I am 
 happy with it on my Clem.

 [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]

 Kim Hetzel.
 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:

> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. 
> I am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added 
> height. That 
> might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the 
> problem. I 
> am hoping it is feasible.
>
> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most 
> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to 
> the 
> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible. 
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, 
>> would be to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube 
>> with a 
>> taller one.
>> I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to 
>> keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. 
>> The 
>> mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian 
>> body 
>> demands it at some point!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks 

[RBW] ISO 50cm Roadini. Does anyone have one you'd like to sell. Thanks

[Ron Cramer]

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[RBW] Re: B68

[J S]

Here are the rest 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8xGo6Kpz2Y/?img_index=1
On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 12:59:15 PM UTC-4 J S wrote:

> [image: IMG_0223.jpeg]I bought this from a friend as he had too many. I 
> used to ride these all of the time. I could have bought one of my old ones 
> back but remembered it flared to my thighs. So I went out and I took a 
> fall. I skidded on the saddle. After 3 weeks when I could ride again I 
> discovered  the shape was no longer good for me so I will pass this on. I 
> will cross post to iBob. Ridden less than 20 miles.  $150 Shipped.  I will 
> need to post the pics in at least 2 messages. 

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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger Squeal

[John Rinker]

Thanks Bill. I'll throw some black compound in there and look forward to 
the silence.

Cheers, John

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For me, the answer was Kool Stop Black. For me, always try salmon first, 
> but don't be scared to try something else next.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> I seem to remember some discussion from a while back about how 
>> Cliffhanger rims don't seem to play well with KoolStop salmon pads. It 
>> seems the dual compound pads are preferred. Am I remembering this correctly?
>>
>> I've got a wheel set of Cliffhanger rims with un-machined sidewalls the 
>> run between some Avid v-brakes with salmon pads. Despite clean rims and a 
>> proper toe-in - perhaps too generous - the rims will often squeal like 
>> banshees.
>>
>> Any thoughts on how the banshees might be vanquished (silver bullet? 
>> stake through the heart? Avada Kedavra?) would be appreciated.
>>
>> I use the KoolStop smooth-post salmon pads with my Paul Neo-retros on my 
>> Atlantis without issue, but these are with Dyad un-machined rims.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping Rivs

[John Rinker]

Kim, That Hunq is sooo right! That first photo really shows the Hunq in its 
element.

Cheers, John

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:22:38 AM UTC-7 Kim N wrote:

> Here are two photos of my Hunqapillar in full camping mode:
>
> [image: camping_hunq_1.jpg][image: camping_hunq_2.jpg]
>
> --kim
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:46:32 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dave, I  really like your Platy build!She looks good loaded for 
>> travel. 
>>
>> What's your impression riding it with a load?  
>> Thanks, Steve
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 5:33:12 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> I see a few Happisack (or similar) + front basket setups, which is what 
>>> I used on a recent S24O with my Platypus. This was warm weather camping in 
>>> a hammock. For nights cooler than 50deg I'd want more space for warmer 
>>> quilts and clothing - swapping the Happisack for a rear rack carrying two 
>>> small/front panniers would work. On a longer trip I'd also probably prefer 
>>> to move the Nalgene from the stem pouch to the underside downtube cage 
>>> mount to keep the pouch free for other things.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240619_100234829_platy-packed-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 4:39:30 PM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:
>>>

> Love the cat...



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[RBW] Re: FS: Roaduno wheelset with Phil Wood hub

[CMR]

Congrats to all who grabbed a Roaduno - who needs a wheelset?! I also have 
a 105-Mavic front wheel if you want something narrower than the 
cliffhanger, but not as nice condition as the other two wheels (-$25 for 
these).


On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:

> Still available and can potentially split the wheels if interested.
>
> On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 8:21:00 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>
>> Price drop - $280 without tires, $325 with tires, picked up in Menlo 
>> Park, happy to ship at cost.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 10:26:00 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>>
>>> Buy this wheelset and save me from buying the Roaduno frame!
>>>
>>> Phil wood rear hub laced to Sun CR18 rim
>>> Shimano silver hub laced to Velocity Cliffhanger (tubeless ready)
>>> Gravelking slicks 700x38
>>> Phil wood 14t track cog included but needs a lockring, or remove it and 
>>> use a freewheel!
>>> All silver everything
>>>
>>> Pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/21267164@N02/with/53805889410
>>>
>>>
>>> $375 picked up in Menlo Park, happy to ship at cost.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rosco-Bubbe Road (quickbeam with gears)

[CMR]

Now open to shipping at cost - thanks!

Congrats to all who grabbed a Roaduno.


On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 3:57:01 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:

>
>   Price drop - $1,200 without saddle or front rack set-up and 1,300 for 
> everything. Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 10:14:58 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>
>> Selling a versatile and fun bike. It rides a lot like a quickbeam and has 
>> a few nice touches that make it distinct. Horizontal dropouts so build a 
>> nice single speed for less than the price of a Roaduno frameset! I have a 
>> nice Ultegra/Mavic open sport with a single speed spacer kit and 2 single 
>> speed cogs if interested.
>>
>> As seen here: 
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/154226333284/the-rosco-bubbe-project-frames-and-a-few-demos
>>
>> ETT: 57.5cm
>> Seattube CTT: 58cm
>> Headtube angle: 72.5
>> Seattube angle: 72
>> Bottom bracket drop: 73mm
>> Chainstay length: 45cm
>> Headtube length: 16.7cm
>> Quickbeam fork!
>>
>> This is almost identical to a 58cm quickbeam: 
>> http://cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/quickbeam_geometry.pdf
>>
>> Sizing is deceptive because it has a dropped top tube with extended 
>> seatpost collar and headtube. Set up as shown with 74cm seat height.
>>
>> -Dura ace crankset, 1x with a new bottom bracket
>> -New deore rear derailleur, new cables/housing, new chain, new freewheel
>> -Generic but functional v-brakes (new cables/housing), wide rim wheelset
>> -New Schwalbe marathons 700x42, with plenty of room for larger tires or 
>> fenders.
>> -Remarkable, famous, one-of-a-kind BUBBE LIFTER tube
>> -Soma Lucas front rack, Wald basket, useful basket net from Riv
>> -Brooks Swallow in excellent condition, not broken in
>> -Pictured pedals are not included but I have SPDs or flats if you’d like
>> -Rosco-Bubbe t shirt (thanks Bill!)
>>
>> $1,400 picked up in Menlo Park, happy to drop it off if nearby. Not 
>> interested in selling the frameset alone and I want to avoid shipping for 
>> now.
>>
>> More pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/21267164@N02/with/53805889375
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[J Schwartz]

Did RBW say if they were upgrading the stock pads on those Yokozuna brakes?
The 559's with decent pads have worked totally fine for me.

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Oh, it definitely is!
>
> And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning 
> and collecting for my build.
>
> Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they 
> lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not 
> on road.
>
> They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the Uno 
> frame set page.
>
> I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - 
> they’re not exactly cheap!
>
> Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything 
> granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i 
> swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful 
> brakes ever but they seem to do the job.
>
>
> -Dan
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
>> Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
>> and seat binder bolt.
>>
>> My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
>> Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
>> the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
>> Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
>> between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
>> adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
>> light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
>> out on the front of the Malocchio.
>>
>> Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
>> they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
>> problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
>> problematic.
>>
>> I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am 
>> not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
>> fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
>> 3x1. It also brakes fine.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
>>> following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
>>> way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure 
>>> I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>>>
>>> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
>>> lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
>>> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures 
>>> show that clearly.
>>>
>>> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall 
>>> I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
 weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as 
 canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
 clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for 
 my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes 
 kill it for me. 

 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that 
> Rivendell 
> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to 
>> sidepulls.
>>
>> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is 
>> annoying.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[P W]

Oh, it definitely is!And was one of my very first (and easy) decisions when I began planning and collecting for my build.Admittedly, they work best when direct mounted, but I’ve never felt they lacked for braking power running as center mounts instead. Especially not on road.They’re also one of the suggestions Riv makes for brake options on the Uno frame set page.I do understand how they might be a financial concern for people tho - they’re not exactly cheap!Although they do tend to come up on the secondhand market often.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:56 AM, dane...@gmail.com  wrote:Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful brakes ever but they seem to do the job.-DanOn Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem and seat binder bolt.My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed out on the front of the Malocchio.Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been problematic.I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 3x1. It also brakes fine.-DaveOn Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  wrote:I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the following:(i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.(ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show that clearly.(iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.



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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

[Doug H.]

The TRP brake levers have sold. The remaining items are:


   1. Busch + Muller Toplight Plus brake light $45 shipped, new in package
   2. 700c Velocity Dyad front wheel with Shimano 105 hub: Silver rim, 
   black hub, 36 spokes, Velocity-built, very little use and spins true $100 
   plus actual shipping cost

The wheel was a takeoff from a Roadini and would be great for another 
Roadini or a Roaduno.

Doug Hansford
Watkinsville, GA 30677


On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:51:47 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Hey all,
> The Berthoud saddle and Nitto stem have sold and will be shipping out 
> Monday morning. Remaining items for sale:
>
>1. TRP RRL SR short pull brake levers $60 shipped
>
>
>1. Busch + Muller Toplight Plus brake light $45 shipped, new in package
>
>
>1. 700c Velocity Dyad front wheel with Shimano 105 hub: Silver rim, 
>black hub, 36 spokes, Velocity-built, very little use and spins true $100 
>plus actual shipping cost
>
>
> Parts for Sale 
>
> Doug Hansford
> Watkinsville, GA zip 30677
> On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 7:34:24 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The stem is sold. Other items still up for sale.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 2:49:13 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>
>>1. Berthoud brown leather saddle: stainless steel rails like new. 
>>$165 shipped
>>2. TRP RRL short pull brake levers $60 shipped
>>
>>
>>1. Nitto Technomic 7cm Stem $45 shipped *SOLD*
>>
>>
>>1. Busch + Muller Toplight Plus brake light $45 shipped, new in 
>>package
>>2. 700c Velocity Dyad front wheel with Shimano 105 hub: Silver rim, 
>>black hub, 36 spokes $100 plus actual shipping cost
>>
>> Parts for Sale 
>>
>>
>> Doug Hansford
>> Watkinsville, GA
>>
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[RBW] Lookin to buy nitto technomic XL 8 CM

[J S]

If you have one please let me know.
I can get a new one but thought I would try here first. 
Thank you,

Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything 
granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i 
swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful 
brakes ever but they seem to do the job.

-Dan

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
> Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
> and seat binder bolt.
>
> My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
> Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
> the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
> Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
> between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
> adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
> light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
> out on the front of the Malocchio.
>
> Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
> they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
> problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
> problematic.
>
> I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not 
> planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
> fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
> 3x1. It also brakes fine.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
>> following:
>>
>>
>>
>> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
>> way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure 
>> I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>>
>> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
>> lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
>> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show 
>> that clearly.
>>
>> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I 
>> prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
>>> weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as 
>>> canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
>>> clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for 
>>> my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes 
>>> kill it for me. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
 speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
 offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
 speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>
> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[DavidP]

A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
and seat binder bolt.

My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
out on the front of the Malocchio.

Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe they 
haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
problematic.

I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not 
planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
3x1. It also brakes fine.

-Dave

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:

> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
> following:
>
>
>
> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way 
> down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd 
> be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>
> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower 
> than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show 
> that clearly.
>
> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I 
> prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight 
>> option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s 
>> would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was 
>> still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as 
>> that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
>>> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
>>> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
>>> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.

 I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Richard Rose]

Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  wrote:I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the following:(i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.(ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show that clearly.(iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I prefer cantilever, for the versatility. On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride: Lakeshore Trail, Chicago, June 29

[Rusty Click]

I'll look forward to a ride in the fall, whether it's the Chicago version 
or some Michigan trail option.  My only block-out is Oct 5-14 while my 
wife, daughter and I ride the Katy Trail.

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi All, 
>
> The weather this weekend in Chicago isn’t promising for our ride. Storms 
> are predicted to move through the area for the weekend. We are going to 
> hold off and try again this fall. Sorry to miss it and hope to see you at 
> the next ride.
> Leah and Marc
>
> On Jun 24, 2024, at 8:53 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
> This snuck up on me.  My Hunqapillar and I will probably join.  I was 
> going to do an overnight bike trip Saturday, then I remembered that I 
> volunteered to work this Sunday.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 3:53:13 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Reminder: Marc Irwin and I are planning a Riv Ride this Saturday, June 
>> 29, on Chicago’s famous Lakefront Trail. (Weather permitting!)
>>
>> We are looking for a group of 5 or more riders, if less, we will 
>> reschedule. 
>>
>> When: June 29, 10am
>> Where: Chicago Lakefront Trail.
>>
>> We have traditionally had good turnouts and a ton of fun on these rides, 
>> so I hope to see you this weekend.
>>
>> RSVP here so we can get a headcount! 
>> Leah and Marc
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 10:35:42 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> People have been asking when we’re next gathering for another Riv Ride, 
>>> and summer is flying by. How about we squeeze in a ride on June 29th in 
>>> Chicago for a group ride on the Lakeshore Trail? We did do a Riv Ride last 
>>> year beginning in Evanston, but there is (so I hear) another 15 miles of 
>>> gorgous trail we did not ride yet.
>>>
>>> Place: Chicago Lakeshore Trail, meeting spot to be announced later
>>> Date: Saturday, June 29
>>> Time: 10:00 am
>>> Please let me know if you plan to come so we get an idea of a headcount.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Leah and Marc
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[Mathias Steiner]

I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
following:

(i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the way 
down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure I'd 
be happy if I lived where it's hilly.

(ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much lower 
than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show 
that clearly.

(iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I 
prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:

> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight 
> option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s 
> would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was 
> still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as 
> that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. 
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
>> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
>> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
>> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>>>
>>> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: saddles, seat post, brakeset, fenders, front derailleur, frame pump and a messenger bag

[Kim H.]

I am accepting offers on the following:

Terry Cite X Gel saddle -$30.00
Terry Cite X Gel Italia saddle - $30.00
or for both $50.00
Excellent condition
https://photos.app.goo.gl/XktsSZ1Sv3LacQdu6

Avocet seat post 26.8mm - $45.00
NOS - excellent condition
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KG6zSJ7r52qDwSNR7

Nitto Technomic stem 25.4 clamp diameter - $40.00
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HpGuKTVUmKDs5e956
Used in fair condition  

Campagnolo Nuovo Record brakeset -  $200.00
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zFZ4tdooKfxMCbUM8
Used in very good condition with abrasions on levers

Bleummel fenders - $60.00
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GZJRsy24ZbFpp4ih6
One set with a spare rear fender - Good to very good condition 

Suntour Cyclone front derailleur with rare cage extension- $40.00
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3fMM2pgdcfEqmNBv6
Very good condition

Silca Imperio black frame pump with Campy steel head - $45.00
https://photos.app.goo.gl/XkZbNweo7ug1x45Q9
Very good condition

Ortlieb messenger bag - $75.00
https://photos.app.goo.gl/nC3XN6piVZbEk4s26
Brand new - received as a gift - never used

Combined shipping costs available
Pricing does not include shipping in the lower 48 states
Paypal payment, please.

Any questions, email me.

Kim Hetzel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[T s]

For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter weight 
option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as canti’s 
would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender clearance, I was 
still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for my size frame as 
that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes kill it for me. 

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
> speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
> offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
> speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>>
>> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem report: most free ever

[Kim H.]

@Oli,
Tell me your secret of how you got your Clem to float in the air ?  This is 
amazing. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 10:09:30 PM UTC-7 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> Two weeks ownership on this 59 Clem. My most minimal build with no rack 
> and no front derailer. It's set up like my 59 Atlantis and -despite being 
> longer in the virtual top tube- rides pretty much the same: dreamy. 
> Franco, we all need a picture of your new bike or (as the proverb say) it 
> did not happen.
> Have all the fun riding your Clem!
>
> Oli in SF
>
>
> [image: 11BD74CD-15DF-49F4-87A9-611D1DA907CC.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:42:39 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’m about a month into my Clem ownership. It’s the most free and fun I’ve 
>> ever felt on a bike. Makes me not mind riding slow and soft pedaling. Can’t 
>> wait to do an over nighter with it. 
>>
>> Franco Rinaldi 
>> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>
>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>
>

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