[RBW] Re: Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Paul,  I really enjoy the Rivendell Ride. Building it has given me 
an improved eye for detail, particularly when viewing other builds such as 
Ted’s here.  Ya know what my bike has it all over Ted’s in terms of 
function and aesthetic?

Nothing!I gotta go back to the drawing board.  Goodness!

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> The Cub House does a superb job of building bikes, and they have a talent 
> for photographing them, too.
>
> https://cubhouse.cc/custom-builds/teds-rivendell-hillborne
>
> Ted Durant 
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long ride on a Sam Hillborne

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great ride Paul.  If I may inquire, what handlebars are you using?  They 
appear to have more flare than my Albatross.  If I make a switch to 
thumbies, your set up appears ideal - love the Ergons.

I live in "The Town of Murals".  They make for wonderful photo backdrops, 
and only 3 miles away!  But I like your thinking.  The photo is far better 
to have been earned.

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 8:14:35 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Very cool ride Paul. So often destinations make together a chain of miles 
> you never thought you'd compile or set out on purpose to ride. Deb of Rivet 
> Cycleworks is clearly a mural art fan and often shows them as points along 
> her rides documented on her IG feed. 
>
> That fifth picture appears to be by Dan Kitchener, the UK rattle can 
> artist/muralist. He did his first US mural 
>  a couple 
> miles from me on the side of a bar that had recently renovated and had an 
> big blank side facing the side street intersection. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:19:35 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
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>> At least it was a long ride for me.
>>
>> This was last Monday, February 27.
>>
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>> I had planned on 40 miles for this ride.
>>
>> It was one of those days that weather, the bike, energy levels, 
>> motivation and I guess the stars alignments all synched up.
>>
>> My missus called a few hours into it and wanted to meet on the trail and 
>> ride some too.
>>
>> I already had 30 miles when I meet her and we did 21 together so I had 51 
>> on arrival back home
>> which would have been a good day for me as 40 or so is usually one of my 
>> long rides.
>>
>> But I decided to go for more on my own so I had a snack and hopped back 
>> on the Sam.
>>
>> When I hit 60 miles and didn't feel like stopping.
>>
>> Why not try for 70 I thought?
>>
>> At 70 I thought I'll do 3 more to commemorate an upcoming advancing 
>> further into geezer hood birthday.
>>
>> So it was a long but satisfying unplanned 73 mile ride.
>>
>> On the route I took I rode south from the northern portion of Dallas 
>> county to downtown Dallas, through downtown to Deep Ellum ( that's a funky 
>> and artsy area east of downtown).
>> That area has lots of wall murals.
>>
>> Then I picked up the Santa Fe trail that leads to White Rock Lake.
>>
>> I rode the While Rock Lake trails for a while, met up with my Missus and 
>> repeated some more of the White Rock trails.
>>
>> After taking off again from home I rode some of the northern trails and 
>> then began to zig zag through familiar neighborhoods to rack up extra miles.
>>
>> My  Sam was very comfortable on the entire ride.
>>
>> It sports 700 x 43 Gravel King SS+ tires that help a lot on the bumpy 
>> streets of the area.
>>
>> I was tired at the end and also the next day but the next day my missus 
>> wanted to ride to the library in 85 degree temps so we got in 10 more 
>> miles. 
>> I think that 10 miles in the heat helped the soreness.
>>
>> Some might think upright bars would not work for that sort of distance 
>> but they worked fine for me.
>>
>> At any rate at my age I felt it was a bit of an epic ride.
>>
>> The attached photos were taken at stops along the way.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have an early 90s RB-1 with 28s on it, and you can barely see the light 
of day between the rubber and the frame.  Anything much larger is a no-go 
without some chainstay mods and a switch to 650s on that frame.  That 
Jubilee sure is purty though!

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an early 
> 90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?
>
> I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components you 
> mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's just 
> gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 
>
> Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run one, 
> I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do you 
> encounter with one? 
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I just 
>> found today.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>>
>>> No relation to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>>>
>>>
>>> JP
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>>
 Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
 Either the archetype or TB14.

 On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson <
 phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:

> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or 
> so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra 
> B17 
> after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
> about 
> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards a 
> matching Huret but TBD. 
>
> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, 
> too. 臘‍♂️
>
> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those Duprats 
> are STUNNING. 
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
>>> Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like 
>>> components 
>>> and a worthy frame.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
 made, IMHO.

>>>
>> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is an 
>> aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). But 
>> let's 
>> take this idea further. What *other *components would all y'all 
>> choose to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, cranks, 
>> pedals, brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, racks, cages, 
>> luggage, bells, lights?
>>
>> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as 
>> superlative performance.
>> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or perhaps 
>> a NOS Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a rechromed, 2022 
>> 1937 SA TC hub looks PDG too.
>> Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and strength, 
>> very informally determined, so I can't say which are prettiest.)
>> Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 300. But 
>> really, though, the prettiest cranksets of all time bar none are some of 
>> the best cottered steel cranks: ethereally slender, with a shine only 
>> chrome can give. The lightest were lighther than some aluminum 
>> "cotterless" 
>> cranks.
>> Brakes: I use Paul's for practical reasons and the polished silvers 
>> are nice but I can't say that they're the prettiest.
>> Pedals: ?? I use XTRs and XTs and Dura Ace SPDs and M540s but these 
>> are not exactly pretty.
>> Levers: ? I like the Dura Ace BL 7401.
>> Seatpost: DA 7410.
>> Bar: Rene Herse polished Nitto.
>> Saddle: ?
>> Cages: The Nitto one is prettiest but I gave up after 2 broke on me 
>> and sought solace in the uglier but still presentable and far, far 
>> stronger 
>> (and much cheaper) King Iris.
>> Racks: I don't use them, but I'd have to say Nitto for looks. I use 
>> customs or Tubus for practical.
>> Luggage: Rivendell post-Cartwright, but no g-damned tweed.
>> Bells: ? Spurcycle? I use these, but they're not shiny.
>> Lights: 

[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Stunning I say!  Really beautiful!

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:36:36 AM UTC-5 peter@gmail.com 
wrote:

> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>
> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>
> Here it is now:
>
> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>
> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>
> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of configurations:  
> as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points I added indexed 
> Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear friction 
> derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 single 
> Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older racing 
> bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now pretty 
> much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>
> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
> seat for me.
>
> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place to 
> share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>
> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>
> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Seat Post Slippage

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I did swap my stem out for a Nitto, but did not have issues with slippage 
for the few miles of shake-down use on my new Sam.  It also held the bike 
for it's build, but that is no real test.   I left the binding bolt stone 
dry as it is a nylock.  This is not an area where I wanted to over-torque 
and torque specs are generally fairly low for the post due to the surface 
area involved.  I use anti-seize on the post, and the frame has a ton of 
anti-corrosion goo, so it's pretty slippery in there.

Here is what my Sam Gap look like for comparisons.

[image: Sam Gap.JPG]

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 3:38:27 PM UTC-5 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is there grease on the binder bolt threads. Is the head of the bolt 
> greased where it contacts the frame? If either answer is no, you just may 
> not have the binder bolt tight enough.
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 3:14 PM Drew Henson  wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with 
>> the frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first 
>> shakedown ride yesterday. 
>>
>> I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was 
>> curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using 
>> the park tool super grip?
>>
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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Another great build and popcorn-worthy video.  Loved the disappearing act 
at the end!  The extra small touches that go into your efforts are really 
enjoyable.   Superbe!

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:09:58 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, David!
>
> JohnS — Ah, a Quickbeam build. That sounds great. I rode one around a 
> suburban cul-de-sac a few years ago but it hadn't been maintained and the 
> brakes didn't work so I didn't really get a very good feel for it. 
>
> I like this housing, I like the look, the colors it comes in, the 
> simplicity. Crust, Sim Works and Circles all stock it. I'll probably use it 
> again in the future. I'm not familiar with the Jagwire pro-slick but I used 
> Jagwire gray housing on my Rivs, a Bridgestone MB-3 and the mixte I built 
> up. I bought the Sim Works stuff primarily driven by the look, bright 
> stainless, no writing or branding, and knew that if it was made by Nissen 
> for Sim Works it likely was very good quality. Make sure you run them brake 
> cables nice and long! I ran mine too short the first time and ended up 
> using all the housing and just barely had enough to finish. 
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Hello Eric,
>>
>> How do you like the  Sim Works x Nissen brake housing? I'm thinking of 
>> using the clear on my Quickbeam (also trying to minimize black on the 
>> build), would be the same Superbe brake levers (from my '83 expedition) and 
>> Paul brakes, except the front will be the mini-mottos. Usually I use 
>> Jagwire pro-slick cables and housings, kind of spoiled by them.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 4:17:47 PM UTC-5 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>
>>> beautiful work Eric - thank you for sharing with us!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]

 Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
 have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]

 I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
 for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
 over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork 
 and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
 to 
 the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
 stripped the frame to raw steel. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]

 Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
 patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and 
 wax. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]

 It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
 De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
 RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
 Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
 Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]

 I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
 which I shaped and finished. 

 [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]

 Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
 M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
 my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
 Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 

 Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
 them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 

 • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
 • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
 • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
 • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
 • Kasai 32H front hub
 • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
 • Busch + Müller light mount
 • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
 • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
 • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
 • Suntour Superbe levers
 • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
 • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
 • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
 • Dia Compe yoke hangers
 • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
 • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
 • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
 • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
 • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
 • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
 • MKS XC-III pedals
 • Suntour AR front derailer
 • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
 • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
 • Brooks Conquest saddle
 • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
 • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
 • Sim Works x Nissen brake and 

[RBW] Re: Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Have you looked at the SimWorks "Obento" rack?

Hi David, yes I did.  Jess (of Tunitas) directed me to the Obento after I 
inquired what that beautiful rack was on her bike pictured on the Riv 
site.  Sadly, not the same aesthetic as the Potluck.  Similar function 
though.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 3:34:11 AM UTC-5 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Have you looked at the SimWorks "Obento" rack?
>https://www.sim.works/products/obento-rack
> Pricey, but the "shiny" version seems to be in stock!
>
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:40:19 PM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> “Any changes in parts and such while thinking over the build?”
>>
>> Reginald - yes, a few!   I switched to bar ends as thumbie mounts were 
>> temporarily out of stock and I was impatient.  Lots of downstream effects 
>> from that one.  I originally wanted to go with Ergon cork grips with 
>> something like a Billie or a Crumworks bar.  I’ll see if the bar-ends on my 
>> old Albatross and prodigious use of Newbaums works.  It’ll be creative 
>> (nice word for obviously DIY).  If it’s not comfy, easy enough to make a 
>> change.
>>
>> With the gigantic pedals, I am concerned with toe-to-tire spacing, so am 
>> holding off on fenders.  Also no decision on racks. Crushed that the Nitto 
>> Potluck rack is NLA.
>>
>> Getting there.  Riv box delivered today, more work this weekend. 
>>  Assuming the Nexave derailer doesn’t derail me, should be finished up and 
>> ready to ride.  (Whoa that’s a big photo - sorry). 
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> [image: A00698B8-FA9B-4BE4-8582-253D37FDB4B9.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 1:46:21 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations How exciting when the planning and futzing over the 
>>> bike and parts finally come together. Any changes in parts and such while 
>>> thinking over the build? I know when I built the Rivendell Mountain I went 
>>> back and forth on several items. Thought of doing an 8 speed freewheel, but 
>>> it seemed much when accounting for the hub set up and scarcity of 8 speed 
>>> freewheels. Planned on doing a Nitto built Ritchey stem, but going with the 
>>> Softride suspension stem was a strong pull. 
>>>
>>> Take it slow, don't supper force anything. Take it easy with the hammer! 
>>> Lol!!!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 9:37:33 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 I had to say it:  "Just ship it to me".

 If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've 
 never built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to 
 be 
 a Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.

 Learning from all of you has given me false bravado to forge ahead, so 
 I shall.  Picking parts has been a delight.  I have been embracing the 
 anticipation of arriving shiny bits as  patience will most definitely be 
 virtue.  Just one more box from Riv and I'll have all I need.  I think I 
 have a hammer around here somewhere.

 If I blow it, you'll never hear from me again.  If it rolls fast and 
 true, I will post a glorious, victorious photo from Flatistan, FL.

 See any parts you like?  Wish me luck!

 #goheavyontheboeshield

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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

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Ted - that beautiful Lime Olive color almost had be buying two Sams!  Yours 
will be really sharp with the brass.  Please share some pics once done.

Eric - Good eye on the derailer!  I admit I wanted the silver body more 
than the low-normal function, but am excited to try it.   I found the 
housing at Crust.  That is some stout stuff, my cable cutters are 
terrified.  My triangle is a keeper, but thanks for the offer.  Not a lot 
of reflective properties though, more cute than safe. 

Thanks all for the encouragement.  Counting down to the last box arrival 
this week.  

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 10:16:49 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like fun, Jake! Keep us posted ✌️
>
> It's nice to see one of those old Nexave rapid risers going to use. 
>
> Where did you pick up that Nissen housing? I just used some on a build. 
>
> I think I have a royal blue safety triangle from Blue Lug, brand new. I'd 
> trade for that silver one if you're interested. And no big deal if not 
> :) 
>
> On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 9:04:31 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've 
>> never built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to be 
>> a Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>>  Fun thread! Be sure to post more photos as it comes together!
>>
>> Normally I'm excited to build my own bikes, but I am having my new Sam 
>> and its parts shipped to The Cub House in San Marino, CA. The bike is going 
>> to live at my daughter's, about a mile from The Cub House, and I'm really 
>> pleased they'll do the build for me. Mine is Lime Olive and will feature 
>> plenty of little brass bits, along with the olive cable housing from 
>> SimWorks. Drop bar build, because that's how I roll.
>>
>> Ted Durant 
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ping me your addy, and one spanking new Riv tealish-blue lugged bandana 
will be in the mail.   Frame Saver is a good idea.  I have T-9, but I 
believe Frame Saver is preferred.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes! I would absolutely take a free bandana for funzies. Since you haven’t 
> started the build yet, you might consider some Frame Saver. Especially if 
> you’re anywhere near the sea (my Florida geography is quite limited but I 
> think I see the ocean).
>
> It used to be owned by JP Weigle and is now sold under Problem Solvers.
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 10:13 AM 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eliot - 
>>
>> If there was an award for box recognition, you would have won it!   How 
>> about a free bandana?  The BB is on it's way from Riv, along with a S83 
>> seat post to replace the stocker.   I also could not resist the blue BB 
>> cable guide - damn those guys.  I am armed with grease, spray, oil, lube, 
>> blue thread locker, and anti-seize.  I have the best bike stand in the 
>> world - a borrowed one!   If Eric knew how many of those YouTube watch 
>> counts were from me, he'd think me a stalker.  :-)  
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:04:52 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll play this game. None of those boxes are shaped like a square taper 
>>> bottom bracket box. 
>>>
>>> Good luck! Reach out for help as needed. It’s much less intimidating 
>>> than it looks. Park tools has some excellent videos. Make sure you have 
>>> some good grease and cable cutters. Also feel free to watch the meditative 
>>> Bob Ross (Eric Marth) of bike building on YouTube for inspiration. I’ve 
>>> been meaning to ask him if the babbling brook is fake but I don’t want to 
>>> know the answer. 
>>>
>>> Eliot
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 8:37 AM 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Kim,
>>>>
>>>> Good eye!  I'll try my Albatross bar that never worked with my RB-1 and 
>>>> replace the original drops.  I feel like I will end up with something like 
>>>> a Nitto X Crumbworks bar (I'm a distance motorcyclist - love the 
>>>> palms-down 
>>>> hand position) but need to put some (s)miles on the Sam before figuring 
>>>> that out.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:14:18 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Jake,
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are your handlebars ? ...or did I not see them in your picture ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:41:21 AM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks amazing. Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had to say it:  "Just ship it to me".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've 
>>>>>> never built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to 
>>>>>> be 
>>>>>> a Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Learning from all of you has given me false bravado to forge ahead, 
>>>>>> so I shall.  Picking parts has been a delight.  I have been embracing 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> anticipation of arriving shiny bits as  patience will most definitely be 
>>>>>> virtue.  Just one more box from Riv and I'll have all I need.  I think I 
>>>>>> have a hammer around here somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I blow it, you'll never hear from me again.  If it rolls fast and 
>>>>>> true, I will post a glorious, victorious photo from Flatistan, FL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See any parts you like?  Wish me luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #goheavyontheboeshield
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Sam Parts.jpg]
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Eliot - 

If there was an award for box recognition, you would have won it!   How 
about a free bandana?  The BB is on it's way from Riv, along with a S83 
seat post to replace the stocker.   I also could not resist the blue BB 
cable guide - damn those guys.  I am armed with grease, spray, oil, lube, 
blue thread locker, and anti-seize.  I have the best bike stand in the 
world - a borrowed one!   If Eric knew how many of those YouTube watch 
counts were from me, he'd think me a stalker.  :-)  

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:04:52 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ll play this game. None of those boxes are shaped like a square taper 
> bottom bracket box. 
>
> Good luck! Reach out for help as needed. It’s much less intimidating than 
> it looks. Park tools has some excellent videos. Make sure you have some 
> good grease and cable cutters. Also feel free to watch the meditative Bob 
> Ross (Eric Marth) of bike building on YouTube for inspiration. I’ve been 
> meaning to ask him if the babbling brook is fake but I don’t want to know 
> the answer. 
>
> Eliot
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 8:37 AM 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim,
>>
>> Good eye!  I'll try my Albatross bar that never worked with my RB-1 and 
>> replace the original drops.  I feel like I will end up with something like 
>> a Nitto X Crumbworks bar (I'm a distance motorcyclist - love the palms-down 
>> hand position) but need to put some (s)miles on the Sam before figuring 
>> that out.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:14:18 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jake,
>>>
>>> Where are your handlebars ? ...or did I not see them in your picture ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:41:21 AM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks amazing. Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> k.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had to say it:  "Just ship it to me".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've 
>>>> never built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to 
>>>> be 
>>>> a Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>>>>
>>>> Learning from all of you has given me false bravado to forge ahead, so 
>>>> I shall.  Picking parts has been a delight.  I have been embracing the 
>>>> anticipation of arriving shiny bits as  patience will most definitely be 
>>>> virtue.  Just one more box from Riv and I'll have all I need.  I think I 
>>>> have a hammer around here somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> If I blow it, you'll never hear from me again.  If it rolls fast and 
>>>> true, I will post a glorious, victorious photo from Flatistan, FL.
>>>>
>>>> See any parts you like?  Wish me luck!
>>>>
>>>> #goheavyontheboeshield
>>>>
>>>> [image: Sam Parts.jpg]
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Kim,

Good eye!  I'll try my Albatross bar that never worked with my RB-1 and 
replace the original drops.  I feel like I will end up with something like 
a Nitto X Crumbworks bar (I'm a distance motorcyclist - love the palms-down 
hand position) but need to put some (s)miles on the Sam before figuring 
that out.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:14:18 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Jake,
>
> Where are your handlebars ? ...or did I not see them in your picture ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:41:21 AM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Looks amazing. Good luck!
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> I had to say it:  "Just ship it to me".
>>
>>
>> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've 
>> never built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to be 
>> a Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>>
>> Learning from all of you has given me false bravado to forge ahead, so I 
>> shall.  Picking parts has been a delight.  I have been embracing the 
>> anticipation of arriving shiny bits as  patience will most definitely be 
>> virtue.  Just one more box from Riv and I'll have all I need.  I think I 
>> have a hammer around here somewhere.
>>
>> If I blow it, you'll never hear from me again.  If it rolls fast and 
>> true, I will post a glorious, victorious photo from Flatistan, FL.
>>
>> See any parts you like?  Wish me luck!
>>
>> #goheavyontheboeshield
>>
>> [image: Sam Parts.jpg]
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

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Thanks (thank you, thank you) for bringing attention to the the Catalyst 
pedal - I think it will be a godsend for me.  I deal with an injury related 
neuropathy in my left calf muscle which prevents me from doing things like 
a tippy toe on that side.  Had to sell my pristine manual ‘07 Honda S2000 
as I could no longer use the clutch safely - a tragedy!  Being able to 
incorporate more of my foot on the pedal will be wonderful as I half-foot 
my left pedal now and it is a struggle.  I measure to a 76cm saddle height 
based on PBH, but it runs closer to 70cm in actual use.  Not ideal, but 
better than siting on the couch.

With a new Sam ordered, I now think I will now request the smaller 170MM 
crank as part of the build to help balance things out.

Sure glad I found this group!

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jay, I noticed your mention of the Pedaling Innovations Catalyst pedal. If 
> you are using a mid-foot position on your pedals ( I do) you may need to 
> adjust your saddle down 2-3 cm. I discovered this on my own then confirmed 
> it with Pedaling Innovations. For this and other reasons I do not favor the 
> PBH method of determining saddle height. It’s more a guideline than a rule. 
> I have used the knee slightly bent at bottom of stroke for 50 years without 
> injury or incident.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. 
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have 
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost. 
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For 
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to 
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my 
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird, 
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and 
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe 
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of 
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is 
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest. 
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle 
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at 
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and 
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a 
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors 
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations 
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the 
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

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Nice Drew.  I nabbed a 54cm Silver as well.  Already spoke with Vince. 
 Since their parts bin is deeper than mine I am going to have them build it 
up and leave my RB-1 shiny bits where they are.  #2 in line.  Someone out 
there is faaat.  :-)

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:

> just grabbed a 54cm silver. i went into thinking i'd go for a limeolive 
> but something about the very understated silver made me change my mind at 
> the last minute.
>
> i have an 87 cm pbh so i could have fit the 57 but i wanted to fall on the 
> upper end of the fit range. really keen to see how this rides differently 
> than my 2019 MIT Homer. now the fun begins... finding all the build parts!
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:59:19 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’m with you Eric.  My Saluki which I got last winter is a taupe and it 
>> looks great with brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my Hillborne I 
>> would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If someone was hot 
>> for a bright orange I could be tempted.  
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think these 
>>> new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the Hillbornes 
>>> :) 
>>>
>>> I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
>>> warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and warm 
>>> bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
>>> maxing out the neutrals. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as it 
 was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my 
 favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black 
 (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful colors. 
 There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote. 

 On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are 
> such great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the 
> paint colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but 
> the 
> RBW blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are 
> rel good. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate 
 sell outs on anything the way it had been happening.

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a 
> lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are 
> spectacular. 
> Don't doddle! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm 
>>> and fits as it should.  
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size 
 chart on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically 
 over the 
 years. My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current 
 batch. 
 When I test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was 
 a 56cm I 
 believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
 changes, 
 but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and 
 be at 
 the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be 
 sublime.

 Paul in AR

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson 
 wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I'd love the catalog!! 
> Houston Wilson
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping 
>> containers:  I've stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne 
>> 

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Let's hope Wednesday proves to be a great day for all those interested!  
I've studied the size charts and glad I did.  I have a 59cm RB-1 which fits 
fine, yet the 57cm Sam has a higher standover.  The charts put me on a 54 
Sam.   These bikes have a big front end!  Save a Silver one for me, please.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:56:38 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My 
> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test 
> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and 
> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
>>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
 over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

>>>

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[RBW] New Sam Hillbornes

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing over 
the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your experiences 
have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until I saw the 
early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric,

That was a great read - I felt the cold!  Also have been really enjoying 
your YT channel.



On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:57:09 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 
>
> It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck it 
> out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But here 
> in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey Eric,
>>
>> Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous day 
>> ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. Having 
>> all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year taking 
>> my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily mileage 
>> based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food and 
>> shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>>>
>>> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything 
>>> more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but 
>>> I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing when 
>>> I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda 
>>> tipping over, no big deal. 
>>>
>>> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've attached 
>>> a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a lot. I'd 
>>> also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my saddle but 
>>> couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around for a 
>>> bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 
>>>
>>> Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with a 
>>> fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Intoxicating read! Now I have the “itch” real bad.

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 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter



 14-15 November 2022
 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 

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 This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight 
 trips by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I 
 booked 
 a primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
 loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
 night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
 to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
 out. 

 Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
 well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and 
 snow 
 were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With 
 bad 
 weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
 would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
 late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
 check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
 shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed 
 the 
 wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
 way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 

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 The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside 
 with cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown 
 vestiges of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and 
 well-maintained gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of 
 small beautiful farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road 
 continued on in a way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, 
 over corn and soy fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for 
 hay. 

 Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
 rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
 stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
 had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
 a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store 
 with 
 a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. 
 Bulk 
 candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
 full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
 favorite, the Black Twig and we got 

[RBW] Re: Can I use my RB-1 parts on a new Riv?

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It's a 1991.  I made a poor attempt at Riv-izing it, but the geometry isn't 
going to cooperate.  Converting to a fixed is interesting, though I think I 
will keep it together and replace the original drops/brake levers/ and 
Avocet saddle which I have.  It was more comfortable in original form, 
though the Roly-Polys are staying on.  The modern hub spacing on the Rivs 
is there for a reason, I might as well let them build one for me.  

[image: RB-1.JPG]

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:48:28 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> You could turn it into a fixed/free bike and keep the bars and saddle you 
> have for a town bike. I'd keep it. They were nice bikes. What year?
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:43:05 PM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe, that helps with the planning.  The RB-1 has a 126.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:58 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The hiccup will be rear spacing for the hub, it's 135 OLD on those Rivs, 
>>> RBs used 126 or 130 hubs. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:17:11 PM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi all, first post, warm greetings.

 I have a super nice RB-1 which is too racy for my desires.  I have long 
 been looking at a new Rivendell Hillborne or Appaloosa.  I would love to 
 use my RB-1 parts on it if they will fit.  No worries about over gearing 
 as 
 I am in Florida.

 Shimano 600 derailleur, Sugino DGX crank 40/52, Shimano 13/25 cassette, 
 and Shimano RX-100 hubs,  Ritchey stem, Wolber 700c 32H wheels.  I have an 
 Albatross bar, Dia Compe MTB levers and a Brooks B-17 that will transfer 
 over.  

 Will the rest of it fit?

 I could turn the RB-1 into a fixed gear rig just for occasional 
 punishment. I'm not inclined to sell it.

 Thanks!




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[RBW] Re: Can I use my RB-1 parts on a new Riv?

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Joe, that helps with the planning.  The RB-1 has a 126.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:54:58 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The hiccup will be rear spacing for the hub, it's 135 OLD on those Rivs, 
> RBs used 126 or 130 hubs. 
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 12:17:11 PM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all, first post, warm greetings.
>>
>> I have a super nice RB-1 which is too racy for my desires.  I have long 
>> been looking at a new Rivendell Hillborne or Appaloosa.  I would love to 
>> use my RB-1 parts on it if they will fit.  No worries about over gearing as 
>> I am in Florida.
>>
>> Shimano 600 derailleur, Sugino DGX crank 40/52, Shimano 13/25 cassette, 
>> and Shimano RX-100 hubs,  Ritchey stem, Wolber 700c 32H wheels.  I have an 
>> Albatross bar, Dia Compe MTB levers and a Brooks B-17 that will transfer 
>> over.  
>>
>> Will the rest of it fit?
>>
>> I could turn the RB-1 into a fixed gear rig just for occasional 
>> punishment. I'm not inclined to sell it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Can I use my RB-1 parts on a new Riv?

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all, first post, warm greetings.

I have a super nice RB-1 which is too racy for my desires.  I have long 
been looking at a new Rivendell Hillborne or Appaloosa.  I would love to 
use my RB-1 parts on it if they will fit.  No worries about over gearing as 
I am in Florida.

Shimano 600 derailleur, Sugino DGX crank 40/52, Shimano 13/25 cassette, and 
Shimano RX-100 hubs,  Ritchey stem, Wolber 700c 32H wheels.  I have an 
Albatross bar, Dia Compe MTB levers and a Brooks B-17 that will transfer 
over.  

Will the rest of it fit?

I could turn the RB-1 into a fixed gear rig just for occasional 
punishment. I'm not inclined to sell it.

Thanks!


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