Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

I don't have a copy yet (a friend sent me this photo), but as soon as I get 
one I will post a snap of it. Pretty sure it's an article about why my 
little town is so great and they took photos of a few local businesses as 
sort of a snap shot of life here. IIRC the photographer came by on my day 
off so I don't think I was technically "on the clock" but you can bet I 
made sure the prettiest bike in the room was in the stand when she was 
shooting! (my brakes needed adjusting anyway...) 
P.S. I will happily accept "Raddison"! 

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 5:24:10 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very rad, Addison (Raddison?). Can ya post the full article for us? 
>
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 4:25:14 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't gotten to ride it much lately, but my Appaloosa wound up in 
>> this month's issue of Outside Magazine! What kind of mechanic works on his 
>> own bike on the clock? Sheesh! 
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:20:03 PM UTC-7 André P wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! Sure is the top of seaview, or on that morning... small slice of 
>>> the bay view trail. The build was pretty fun, got to use a mostly parts bin 
>>> build with a few donations from friends. The 3x9 XT drivetrain is from an 
>>> old mountain bike of mine including rapid rise. The whole chainstay 
>>> protector was a bit of over kill but keeps my chain from dropping.
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/930dc76a-6e79-460d-83f4-14d6cb410676n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Cycles Grand Bois Centerpulls vs Tektro R559

[Addison Quarles]

I find it so interesting that there are such polarized experiences with the 
Tektro r559; one normally only sees this gulf when looking at obscure tech 
from days long gone, but in this case it’s regarding a component you can 
still “walk” to the “store” and buy. What are the variables we’re missing 
here? Are the naysayers 6’4”, 220lbs and running stock brake pads? Those in 
favor 5’6”, 140lbs with Kool Stops? 
I for one love the r559; I’ve got them on my (very upright) commuter with 
compression-less housing, Kool Stop inserts and flexy little Tektro levers 
and I’m certain I could go ass-over-tea kettle if I grabbed a handful of 
brake without care. The bike runs very wide, polished rims and increasingly 
slick Gravel Kings. 
In the name of science, I am 5’8” and about 150lbs 

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:33:21 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Not an opinion, it's my experience using these brakes on a Riv Cheviot and 
> various 650b conversion. It's also echoed in a recent BQ issue, where a 
> rider on a Trek conversion could barely control his speed with these long 
> reach brakes. I wouldn't buy a frame that required these brakes.
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:10 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 9:02:59 am UTC+10 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I've never used the GB brake, but I've found the R559 to be particularly 
>>> weak. The long arms flex so much, I had to set the pads at the very bottom 
>>> of the brake track so the brake pads wouldn't hit the tire as the arms 
>>> flexed up during a stop. And in the wet, they barely stop at all.
>>>
>> That opinion is nonsense. I've been using the R559, and it's predecessor 
>> the R556, for 20-odd years, and haven't had any problems with brake flex or 
>> being unable to stop, including touring in high mountains.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> -- 
>>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7507a7f1-443b-4665-bb44-e7b197a45ba0n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a90eef68-ff1d-4027-b5f6-a52fdb3baa46n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: FS: Bags, racks, camping gear, brakes, handlebars

[Addison Quarles]

Hey Max, is that a bike's worth of r559's or a wheel's worth? I'll take 'em 
if it's a bike's worth! 
-Addison, drowning in apostrophes in Sacramento

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I'm on a downsizing mood so I'm selling a bunch of Rivy things that I hope 
> can find good use with one of you. I will be posting at least one if not 
> two bikes for sale in the next few days as well, here's the teaser: My 
> Custom Road and either the 61 Waterford AHH or the 61 Toyo Atlantis. 
>
> Anyway, here it goes. I'll post photos this weekend
>
> All prices are PayPal Friends and Family plus shipping unless you want to 
> pick up locally in Boston. 
>
> *Bags and Racks*
>
> Older Hub Area Rack (without hoop) plus two modified Hub Area Bags in 
> Gray. The bags belonged to James at Analog, the original attachment to the 
> rack is gone, they are used and you can tel. He added a leather strap and a 
> bungee loop to better attach them to the rack - $200
>
> Saddlesack Medium (Olive), used but in good shape - $180
>
> Sackville TrunkSack Small (Olive). I might have installed it once, but 
> never used it - $100
>
> Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic Panniers, Pair in (Gray) New in box - $135
>
> Fabio's Chest XPAC (Black/gray) - Never installed - $250
>
> Nitto Campee Back Rack (I think it’s a 33R) - $185
>
> Tubus Fly - $50
>
> Axion front hub racks - $20
>
> Nitto Saddlebag wire guard (new, never installed) - $45
>
>
> *Camping Gear:*
>
> Hilleberg Enan (bought it used and never pitched it). It’s red and if I 
> remember correctly there were a few pegs missing - $500
>
> Gransfors Bruk Mini Hatchet 410, barely used - $100
>
> Sinewave usb charger never installed - $100
>
>
> *Parts *
>
> Tektro brakes R559 new in box - $40
>
> Nitto Noodle Handlebar 46cm? H.T? - $50
>
> Stems: I have a few stems that I need to catalogue, I'll post them here in 
> a bit, but let me know if you're looking for one.
>
>
> Max
> Feeling uneasy about letting go
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2c744a9c-c941-429a-ad94-f0b107e1d686n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Addison Quarles]

I was able to solve this same problem with a couple of presta valve “nuts”
under the bottle cage to space it out jst enough to clear the cable
while using the same bottle cage bolts. The presta valve nut as a spacer is
by no means a new concept, but I can’t help but marvel at their
versatility; it’s safe to say that they solve a problem for me at least
once a week.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 9:13 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> Kate,
> I should have included a picture at least, but here's an online listing.
> Your local shop should have both in a drawer or bin.
> Bottle cage spacers and longer screws
> 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 10:39:32 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Kate,
>>
>> Three is the magic number of big bottles for distances between water
>> sources on summer GAP rides for me. It does mean I have to stop to
>> rotate their positions as I drink them which is not a bad thing.
>>
>> Sounds like you need to get some longer screws for the bottle cages with
>> some spacer washers to get the base of the cages away from the downtube
>> enough to clear the cables on their run to the bottom bracket.
>>
>> Only consequence may be that the bottle in that cage's clearance is a few
>> millimeters closer to the front tire/fender.
>>
>> Looking for pictures of you and your Platy out there in full deployment!
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 10:19:08 AM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>> Looks like a perfect summer GAP ride getting out to enjoy the season.  I
>>> notice your extra bottle cage underneath.  I just tried mine on the Mermaid
>>> Platy and it interferes with the cables running under the bottom tube.  Do
>>> I need a different cage or some special spacers?  I got the cage from Riv
>>> when I got the bike a few weeks ago.
>>> Still dreaming of the GAP ride
>>> Kate in Trenton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 4:28:05 PM UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>>
 Jason, love your setups. And just an FYI - beer is definitely an
 errand, and a mission critical one at that!

 On Wednesday, 4 August 2021 at 15:28:36 UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Here's one of each of my bikes (okay, there is a fourth, my mountain
> bike, but I haven't ridden it lately and it is not at all Riv-inspired)
> from the past week doing what each of them does best!
>
> Sam Hillborne out on an adventure
> Bombadil doing some heavy lifting
> Raleigh Twenty running errands (okay picking up beer)
>
> On Wednesday, 4 August 2021 at 08:14:12 UTC-7 phoen...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yesterday we got out before the triple digit temps. We hit up two
>> local parks, had a blast on the swings, kicked a ball all over the park 
>> and
>> ate snacks in the shade of some huge cedars! (Don’t worry, we didn’t 
>> leave
>> the hat behind)
>> [image: 51433055-0ED2-48E4-965E-A2CEF3F40ED3_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 7:18:12 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I'm away from my bikes tending to family health issues, really
>>> wanting for a nice long ride like this. This was a weekend trip on my
>>> Rambouillet down the Great Allegheny Passage to Cumberland, MD with a
>>> Sunday night Amtrak shuttle home.
>>> [image: 3C9CE6DE-8E63-4881-A2AD-0FD1D586328F_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>> Great Allegheny Passage along the Youghiogheny River between
>>> Connellsville, PA and Ohiopyle State Park, PA.
>>> [image: 78008998-5FC2-40A6-9452-3E31F6BA0EA6_1_105_c.jpeg]Great
>>> Allegheny Passage, Salisbury Viaduct over the Casselman River and 
>>> Flight 93
>>> Highway, outside of Meyersdale, PA.
>>> [image: B798B94B-B8D6-4B51-A89E-AB63ECF2A4B3_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>> Great Allegheny Passage along the Casselman River between Markleton,
>>> PA and Casselman, PA. Neither a rocker nor a mod, but a ton up.
>>> [image: IMG_7452.jpeg]
>>> Early morning walk in AR with Ike the Lab pup. Looking south from a
>>> junction to a streetlight. Ghostly little pink bike in driveway to the
>>> right.[image: 356C3A49-DC42-4684-8064-6E8DB1AA2C03_1_201_a.jpg]
>>> Ike the traveling pup. Not a bike but gets me out three times a day.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> (reporting from Hot Springs National Park)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This one is from May -- on the Katy Trail in Missouri. The Radical
 Design Cyclone trailer makes a great kickstand for my 68cm Toyo 
 Atlantis.

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL

 On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:41:06 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[Addison Quarles]

To be clear-- this bike has sold, right? 

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 10:07:32 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I 
> think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used 
> Atlantis but I don't want to sacrifice fit just to finally have one!
>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Hargrove wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> Here's a chart from Rivendell's site circa 2007 to align your PBH with 
>> the appropriate frame size. FWIW, I have an 82 PBH, and this same frame 
>> (56, 2007)- it fits me better than an other off the shelf bike I've owned. 
>> I'll include the 56cm geo in case you're curious. I'd also go so far as to 
>> say that with a pair of Paul Motolites, this could probably function well 
>> as a 650b frame, as well.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> Huntington Beach, CA
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:30:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with 
>>> the pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is 
 my size.

 Ian A Alberta Canada

 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:

> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  
> efforts to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B 
> wheelset.  I will add more information this evening... 
> 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.
>
> Please let me know if interested... am in MA.
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/924c0c66-12ed-408b-a9f2-24d0d8e64facn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Sacramento S240 on June 28th

[Addison Quarles]

I’m all in! I know some good spots on the way to stop for a swim. 

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:56:35 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> 3 riders have expressed interest, but I'd be happy to have more.
>
> The temperature forecast is 101. Last week I rode part of the route when 
> it was over 100, and it's fine, even nice if you keep jumping in the river 
> with your clothes on so they stay wet and cool you down.
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 2:02:10 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> You're invited for a Sacramento S24O campout at Beale's Point Campground 
>> on June 28th.
>>
>> I'll be traveling with young children on a cargo bike. We'll be cruising 
>> at 9-12 mph and stopping regularly for snacks, playgrounds and swimming in 
>> the American River and Lake Natoma.
>>
>> If you want to ride with us you can meet us at Watt Avenue at 2pm headed 
>> east on the American River bike trail. Message me privately and we can 
>> coordinate better. Otherwise, just show up at the campground the evening of 
>> June 28th and look for bikes :) I'll look for a campsite with several tent 
>> spots so others can share the site.
>>
>> If it's super hot, say over 100, then we'll postpone. I'll announce it in 
>> this thread.
>>
>> Best,
>> Clark
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6ee3b2c9-362f-4c23-9a27-4ae317a97607n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

Thank you! I’ve spent a lot of time/mental RAM on the component choice
(trying for equal parts of form and function) so I’m very happy it came out
riding just as beautifully as it looks.
The bars are the Velo Orange Granola Bar mounted to their two bolt (31.8)
stem. I’ll be trying these for a week and then giving a pair of the
narrower bullmoose Bosco bars a try. I’m pretty sure I know which I will
like more, but I’m also considering flaring the Bosco’s so they have the
same profile as the Granola without being so noodly. The flatness of the
Granola bar makes it a lot more versatile in terms of usable real estate;
the drop off on the Bosco makes for only one truly firm hand position.
Oh, and the rack is the Nitto 32r. I think they called it the “medium big
rack” or something like that. It seems to be discontinued, as all of the
similar racks I’ve found lack the pannier rails below the platform.
Mr Jason Bombadil himself has the same rack on his beautiful unpainted
masterpiece, which informed my purchase as his was the only photo I could
find of one mounted on a bike.
Sorry I’m so blabby; I’m still in the overly excitable phase with this bike
(bought it last week and only finished building it less than 24 hours ago)
so thank you for baring with me!
-Addison

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 5:31 PM Kushan  wrote:

> Wow. That looks stunning. Are those VO Tourist bars? What about the rear
> rack?
>
> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 10:27:37 AM UTC-7 bicycler...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> [image: Appa2.JPG]
>>
>>
>> Apologies if I inserted the photo improperly. It looks huge on my screen!
>> Anywho, here it is. It rides exactly like big, heavy bike should. I love
>> every bit of mechanical advantage that 30x40 low gear gives me and those
>> big, puffy tires feel like I'm walking on water.
>> Luggage is yet to be determined; I've got a Baggabond saddle bag that
>> will likely wind up on it, but I can't figure out what to do up front.
>> This thing will take me down the coast this summer and who knows where
>> else as time goes on.
>> What a fun bike this has been to build!
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 10:34:53 AM UTC-7 Addison Quarles wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, I settled on the Soma Supple Vitesse EX as I'm unable to find the
>>> Shikoros in the width I want (48mm)
>>> I could've gotten the folding bead Everwear in 48 but I'm a sucker for
>>> brown sidewalls ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>> I'm skeptical of their durability, but having commuted on and gone on a
>>> loaded tour with Compass 700 x 32 EL tires with only two flat tires I might
>>> have some kind of good luck in that regard.
>>> I'll post pictures once the wheel is done and the tires are on!
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail>
>>>  Virus-free.
>>> www.avg.com
>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail>
>>> <#m_-8649391146992687479_m_4521786982158032237_m_7454232413329109115_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:23 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which tires are you going with on the build? I'm looking at tires now
>>>> too for my Clem build.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:16:23 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay okay, you guys told me what I wanted to hear.
>>>>> A Kasai FS hub and my big ol' squishy tires will be showing up
>>>>> tomorrow. I might swing for a SON someday, but this little guy should be
>>>>> more than sufficient for my "needs"
>>>>> Looking like I'll be able to ride it home from work on Sunday!
>>>>> You know where to find me, Collin. At the very least I owe you a test
>>>>> ride!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Addison, laying on my cement floor
>>>>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 9:01:18 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like I'm going to have to swing by and see it in person!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Dynamo all the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Collin, melting away, In Sacramento
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:04:53 PM UTC-7
>>>>>> bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kushan, I made off with a 54cm Mermaid and will be building it as a
>>>>>>> long distance, mostly paved touring rig. It’ll have big puffy tires, a
>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

Doug, I settled on the Soma Supple Vitesse EX as I'm unable to find the
Shikoros in the width I want (48mm)
I could've gotten the folding bead Everwear in 48 but I'm a sucker for
brown sidewalls ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm skeptical of their durability, but having commuted on and gone on a
loaded tour with Compass 700 x 32 EL tires with only two flat tires I might
have some kind of good luck in that regard.
I'll post pictures once the wheel is done and the tires are on!


Virus-free.
www.avg.com

<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:23 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> Which tires are you going with on the build? I'm looking at tires now too
> for my Clem build.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:16:23 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Okay okay, you guys told me what I wanted to hear.
>> A Kasai FS hub and my big ol' squishy tires will be showing up tomorrow.
>> I might swing for a SON someday, but this little guy should be more than
>> sufficient for my "needs"
>> Looking like I'll be able to ride it home from work on Sunday!
>> You know where to find me, Collin. At the very least I owe you a test
>> ride!
>>
>> -Addison, laying on my cement floor
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 9:01:18 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like I'm going to have to swing by and see it in person!
>>>
>>> P.S. Dynamo all the way.
>>>
>>> Collin, melting away, In Sacramento
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:04:53 PM UTC-7 bicycler...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Kushan, I made off with a 54cm Mermaid and will be building it as a
 long distance, mostly paved touring rig. It’ll have big puffy tires, a
 heaving saddle bag, a legendary range of gears, and am trying to talk
 myself into or out of dynamo lighting.
 Built the rear wheel tonight, will have the front wheel built once I
 make up my mind regarding the dynamo. Hoping to have it road ready before
 the weekend is over!

 On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:00 PM Kushan  wrote:

> For the folks who managed to get an Appaloosa yesterday (or through
> the dealers earlier), what type of build ideas are you thinking of? I got 
> a
> 60 cm Mermaid and planning to have it built as an all-rounder with 80-90%
> pavement usage.
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:56:25 PM UTC-7 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> We have a 51 and a 57 at Eastside Pedal Pushers in Austin, in the
>> orange
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 1:28:58 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> My size sold out in 3 minutes across both color options, which is
>>> the number I'm naturally most alarmed by!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:25 AM Eric Marth 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, Roberta. Nearly sold out in 30 minutes!

 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:23:30 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Eric, is that 3:30 eastern time, which means they nearly sold out
> in 30 minutes???
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:34:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> By 3:30 only 46cm in orange and 60cm in mermaid.
>>
>> That's another wild one for the books!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:18:28 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Despite the short thread here this sale seems to have been every
>>> bit as nuts as the Platypus release.
>>>
>>> 3:03
>>> Orange: all frames sold out except for 46cm
>>> Mermaid: 51cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:06
>>> Mermaid: 57cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:10
>>> Mermaid: 46cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:14
>>> Mermaid: 54cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:16
>>> Mermaid: 54cm available again?
>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 12:15:15 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo
>>> wrote:
>>>
 thanks to (still not sure if i'm happy about it) this thread, I
 snagged a 51 in mermaid from Maine Bike Works. As much as I wanted 
 one I
 wasn't going to get my hopes up from RBW, but regardless i'm 
 excited to see
 how quick things move tomorrow.

 unfortunately don't think i'm in a rush to build this one,
 financially but also i'm not sure i could get a set of wheels for 
 it if i
 tried, at the moment.

 On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:46:41 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> Made it to Vermont and back. Glad to have an Appaloosa again.
> Did not get to do much riding; our site was about 1000' above the 
> main road
> 3 miles below. Daunting 

Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

Okay okay, you guys told me what I wanted to hear. 
A Kasai FS hub and my big ol' squishy tires will be showing up tomorrow. I 
might swing for a SON someday, but this little guy should be more than 
sufficient for my "needs" 
Looking like I'll be able to ride it home from work on Sunday! 
You know where to find me, Collin. At the very least I owe you a test ride! 

-Addison, laying on my cement floor 
On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 9:01:18 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Looks like I'm going to have to swing by and see it in person!
>
> P.S. Dynamo all the way.
>
> Collin, melting away, In Sacramento
>
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:04:53 PM UTC-7 bicycler...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Kushan, I made off with a 54cm Mermaid and will be building it as a long 
>> distance, mostly paved touring rig. It’ll have big puffy tires, a heaving 
>> saddle bag, a legendary range of gears, and am trying to talk myself into 
>> or out of dynamo lighting. 
>> Built the rear wheel tonight, will have the front wheel built once I make 
>> up my mind regarding the dynamo. Hoping to have it road ready before the 
>> weekend is over! 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:00 PM Kushan  wrote:
>>
>>> For the folks who managed to get an Appaloosa yesterday (or through the 
>>> dealers earlier), what type of build ideas are you thinking of? I got a 60 
>>> cm Mermaid and planning to have it built as an all-rounder with 80-90% 
>>> pavement usage.
>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:56:25 PM UTC-7 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>>>
 We have a 51 and a 57 at Eastside Pedal Pushers in Austin, in the orange

 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 1:28:58 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> My size sold out in 3 minutes across both color options, which is the 
> number I'm naturally most alarmed by! 
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:25 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Yes, Roberta. Nearly sold out in 30 minutes! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:23:30 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, is that 3:30 eastern time, which means they nearly sold out in 
>>> 30 minutes???  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:34:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 By 3:30 only 46cm in orange and 60cm in mermaid. 

 That's another wild one for the books!

 On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:18:28 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Despite the short thread here this sale seems to have been every 
> bit as nuts as the Platypus release. 
>
> 3:03 
> Orange: all frames sold out except for 46cm
> Mermaid: 51cm sold out 
>
> 3:06
> Mermaid: 57cm sold out
>
> 3:10
> Mermaid: 46cm sold out
>
> 3:14
> Mermaid: 54cm sold out 
>
> 3:16
> Mermaid: 54cm available again?
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 12:15:15 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo 
> wrote:
>
>> thanks to (still not sure if i'm happy about it) this thread, I 
>> snagged a 51 in mermaid from Maine Bike Works. As much as I wanted 
>> one I 
>> wasn't going to get my hopes up from RBW, but regardless i'm excited 
>> to see 
>> how quick things move tomorrow. 
>>
>> unfortunately don't think i'm in a rush to build this one, 
>> financially but also i'm not sure i could get a set of wheels for it 
>> if i 
>> tried, at the moment.
>>
>> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:46:41 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Made it to Vermont and back. Glad to have an Appaloosa again. 
>>> Did not get to do much riding; our site was about 1000' above the 
>>> main road 
>>> 3 miles below. Daunting climbs to begin with, and impossible with 2 
>>> small 
>>> children. Next time I'll plan better. I was perfectly content 
>>> laying around 
>>> drinking beer with my dog anyway. It poured on us the whole ride 
>>> up, but we 
>>> had perfect weather the whole time we were there. I may change out 
>>> the 
>>> corks grips. Not nuts about how they look.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> [image: joe01.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:03:48 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Cheers Addison!  Yeah, I get the feeling at least certain sizes 
 and colors will go quick, with maybe the less popular (or less 
 already-picked-over-by-dealers) permutations lasting a little 
 longer - but 
 probably hours to maybe days, rather than minutes.  

 Looks like the Montreal dealer has orange ones in-stock and 
 available right now, and hey I suppose there's always a chance 
 that if Riv 
 themselves sell out, there'll still be 

Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

Kushan, I made off with a 54cm Mermaid and will be building it as a long
distance, mostly paved touring rig. It’ll have big puffy tires, a heaving
saddle bag, a legendary range of gears, and am trying to talk myself into
or out of dynamo lighting.
Built the rear wheel tonight, will have the front wheel built once I make
up my mind regarding the dynamo. Hoping to have it road ready before the
weekend is over!

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:00 PM Kushan  wrote:

> For the folks who managed to get an Appaloosa yesterday (or through the
> dealers earlier), what type of build ideas are you thinking of? I got a 60
> cm Mermaid and planning to have it built as an all-rounder with 80-90%
> pavement usage.
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:56:25 PM UTC-7 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> We have a 51 and a 57 at Eastside Pedal Pushers in Austin, in the orange
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 1:28:58 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> My size sold out in 3 minutes across both color options, which is the
>>> number I'm naturally most alarmed by!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:25 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Yes, Roberta. Nearly sold out in 30 minutes!

 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:23:30 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Eric, is that 3:30 eastern time, which means they nearly sold out in
> 30 minutes???
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:34:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> By 3:30 only 46cm in orange and 60cm in mermaid.
>>
>> That's another wild one for the books!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:18:28 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Despite the short thread here this sale seems to have been every bit
>>> as nuts as the Platypus release.
>>>
>>> 3:03
>>> Orange: all frames sold out except for 46cm
>>> Mermaid: 51cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:06
>>> Mermaid: 57cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:10
>>> Mermaid: 46cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:14
>>> Mermaid: 54cm sold out
>>>
>>> 3:16
>>> Mermaid: 54cm available again?
>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 12:15:15 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo
>>> wrote:
>>>
 thanks to (still not sure if i'm happy about it) this thread, I
 snagged a 51 in mermaid from Maine Bike Works. As much as I wanted one 
 I
 wasn't going to get my hopes up from RBW, but regardless i'm excited 
 to see
 how quick things move tomorrow.

 unfortunately don't think i'm in a rush to build this one,
 financially but also i'm not sure i could get a set of wheels for it 
 if i
 tried, at the moment.

 On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:46:41 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> Made it to Vermont and back. Glad to have an Appaloosa again. Did
> not get to do much riding; our site was about 1000' above the main 
> road 3
> miles below. Daunting climbs to begin with, and impossible with 2 
> small
> children. Next time I'll plan better. I was perfectly content laying 
> around
> drinking beer with my dog anyway. It poured on us the whole ride up, 
> but we
> had perfect weather the whole time we were there. I may change out the
> corks grips. Not nuts about how they look.
>
> Bones
>
> [image: joe01.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:03:48 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Cheers Addison!  Yeah, I get the feeling at least certain sizes
>> and colors will go quick, with maybe the less popular (or less
>> already-picked-over-by-dealers) permutations lasting a little longer 
>> - but
>> probably hours to maybe days, rather than minutes.
>>
>> Looks like the Montreal dealer has orange ones in-stock and
>> available right now, and hey I suppose there's always a chance that 
>> if Riv
>> themselves sell out, there'll still be the odd frame here and there 
>> at
>> dealers (like happened with the Platy).  But if you're ready to buy 
>> when
>> they hit the web, I am sure you'll get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 21:25:39 UTC-7 bicycler...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm really curious to see how fast this batch sells. All of the
>>> excitement sure seems to suggest that they're going to be gone in a 
>>> flash!
>>> I'm so plagued by anxiety of missing out on stuff I can hardly bear 
>>> to shop
>>> online for things anymore, though I've missed out on the Sim Works 
>>> Bubbly
>>> pedals every time they've popped up and I can't seem to stop 
>>> crawling back
>>> to them.
>>> Oh Jason, you (and everyone else) can call me Addison; I'd
>>> assumed my name displayed in the thread, but maybe I need 

[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Addison Quarles]

What kind of noise are the tires making? Like a rubber skooching on a slick 
floor sound? 
The closest to the Antelope Hill that I've ridden is the Switchback Hill, 
which is 650b x 48mm. I've had them on three bikes over the years and would 
regularly pump them up to around 45-50psi once a month and not top off for 
another month so by the time I remembered to reinflate they would be down 
to around 20psi. This was in part due to negligence, but was also sort of a 
running experiment to see how the bike handled at different tire pressures. 
I didn't keep very good notes during this highly scientific study, but I do 
remember that by the 3 week mark the bike would dive into turns in a real 
scary way, perhaps something like you're experiencing with the self-steer. 
At higher pressures I never felt any handling anomalies, but maybe that's 
because I tended towards higher pressures. 
Have you considered bumping up to 50-55 psi? I imagine what you're feeling 
is that big ol' tire flopping over onto its side, bumping the steering one 
way or the other. My last Switchback Hill bike had 55mm rims and the think 
tracked like a freight train with no tire flop at all. 
Best of luck! 
On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 7:48:55 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>
> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>
> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
> in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
> the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
> be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>
> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
> with Repack geometry.  
>
> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>
> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
> experienced self steering at any level.
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fcd10eef-d456-4b27-879c-b290461c1119n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

I'm really curious to see how fast this batch sells. All of the excitement 
sure seems to suggest that they're going to be gone in a flash! I'm so 
plagued by anxiety of missing out on stuff I can hardly bear to shop online 
for things anymore, though I've missed out on the Sim Works Bubbly pedals 
every time they've popped up and I can't seem to stop crawling back to 
them. 
Oh Jason, you (and everyone else) can call me Addison; I'd assumed my name 
displayed in the thread, but maybe I need to change a setting or something. 
This will be my first Riv and will be rounding out my quiver quite nicely. 
Nothing I have right now will clear such a monstrous tire and I can't 
imagine I'll ever want to go on a ride that it can't handle, so between it 
and my two other main squeezes I might be able to resist buying (and 
keeping) another bike for some time. 
All the best, 
-Addison
*Aspiring Appalooser *

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 6:57:28 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Crust has another complete Appaloosa for sale, this one's 57cm. I'm not 
> into the way this is set up but it's my size :) 
>
> https://crustbikes.com/products/57cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-complete
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 9:26:31 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> I had a Sam / Joe combo at one point. The bikes were too similar to 
>> warrant keeping both (both 62 double TT, both had a 62.5 effective top 
>> tube). They are more differentiated now that the Joe grew a bit longer. So 
>> I replaced the Sam with a Roadini, and I just picked up a new Appaloosa. 
>> Orange. Love the mermaid but I'm a sucker for orange. It is obviously 
>> faster too. You aren't kidding about the "everywhere but Riv" comment. I've 
>> been waiting for them to come in and happened to pull up Crust's site 
>> Thursday night when I saw them available. Two days later I received it and 
>> built it. No pics yet though. I'm preparing for a trip to Vermont this 
>> week, and I plan on bringing it. I'm pretty close to my dream Riv lineup 
>> now: Roadini with drops for road riding, Appaloosa with swept back Billies, 
>> and of course my Mad Max Clem H off-road rig.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> bicyclerepairium (sorry not sure what else to call you by!):  I reckon 
>>> that, while the Bombadil is an awesome bike and I love how mine rides, the 
>>> Appaloosa probably has its own strengths and is more comfy / compliant with 
>>> that long frame!  Undoubtedly if I didn't have the Bombadil, I'd end up 
>>> with a Sam / Joe combination.  Just both immensely useful bikes, though I 
>>> could say the same about the Platypus and well, most Rivs.  
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dabb122e-a33a-4b6c-811e-9a68d63645bcn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] rando, kiddo riding partners around Sacramento & northern California

[Addison Quarles]

Hey Clark, I’ll spare everyone the excitement of learning all the nuances 
of my brutal schedule and just email you directly, 
On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:55:38 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> Hi Addison,
>
> I ride the ARP nearly every day. Usually I get on at Watt Avenue and head 
> east. What are you doing Sunday morning?
>
> - Clark
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:44 PM Addison Quarles  
> wrote:
>
>> Clark! I am in Sacramento and am currently nursing a bum wrist, but it 
>> ought to be all healed up by the time I'm finished building my Appaloosa. 
>> Do you ride the ARP much? That's where most of my riding is done these 
>> days, as working sixty hour weeks doesn't leave much time for skipping 
>> town. I do endeavor to get out and camp at least a few times this summer, 
>> though.
>> If you're up for a jaunt down the Parkway sometime send me a message! 
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:42:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> More cute (and pretty landscape) photos; thank you. Your daughter looks 
>>> to be about the age of mine when I rode her around the area bike paths 
>>> pulling a doublewide child trailer with an old Raleigh Technium Sports 
>>> Tourer fixed gear. Good times.
>>>
>>> She won't let me do that any more, as she will be 20 next week.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 6:12 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick, here are some more photos.
>>>>
>>>> Stopping at a cafe with the kids for breakfast.
>>>> [image: cafe_with_kids.png]
>>>>
>>>> Northeastern Sierra Nevada mountains
>>>> [image: sierras.png]
>>>>
>>>> Riding through a little unseasonal snow (alone- NOT with the kids!)
>>>> [image: snow_clark.png]
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not in your area, but if I were I'd certainly want to give the 
>>>>> rando rides a try. I'd have to work up to 5 hours -- well, I've done a 
>>>>> few 
>>>>> ~35-40 mile fixed gear rides on pavement in the last couple of years -- 
>>>>> let 
>>>>> along 20, but 7-11 mph sounds right.
>>>>>
>>>>> The photos are charming; please post more!
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Moore, just back from a very nice out 'n back on the paved Rio 
>>>>> Grande bike path.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:52 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for people to ride with inside a 2 hour driving radius of 
>>>>>> Sacramento, CA. I'm specifically interested in two niche kinds of riding 
>>>>>> that others here may also enjoy. (Scroll down for pictures)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. 5 - 20 hour randonneur style rides on low traffic backroads, 
>>>>>> gravel, or forest service roads. I ride a Rivendell Atlantis and usually 
>>>>>> average a moderate 7-11 mph pace on dirt depending on conditions. 
>>>>>> Sometimes 
>>>>>> I camp. I also have a Co-motion Periscope tandem with 42mm tires and a 
>>>>>> dynamo headlight. It has a 59 cm top tube, and I can ride captain or 
>>>>>> stoker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Bike camping with 2 and 5 year old children for 1 to 3 nights. My 
>>>>>> kids love to go camping with other kids. We have an electric cargo bike 
>>>>>> that seats three, and the tandem fits a rider as young as 5 years old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please drop me a note if you're local and this kind of riding sounds 
>>>>>> fun to you! Before planning a big ride, I think it's prudent to first 
>>>>>> meet 
>>>>>> up and go for a 1-2 hour local ride, say on the American river bike 
>>>>>> trail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A little more about me- I'm a busy working Dad, and I've tried to 
>>>>>> squeeze in big rides where I can for the last 15 years or so. I'm in 
>>>>>> academia, so summers are a good time :) I moved to Sacramento last year, 
>>>>>> and COVID has prevented me from riding much with others. I'm vaccinated 
>>>>>> against COVID. If you're coming from the Bay Area, I may be able to 
>>>>>> drive 
>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Addison Quarles]

I'm so excited by this color! I saw it in person on Tuesday and can't stop 
staring at the photos I took (though I'm glad Crust posted some, because 
mine are kind of awful) 
I rode an employee's around Walnut Creek for 45 minutes or so and then rode 
Grant's around the parking lot; both bikes couldn't have felt more 
different, and the fact that they're (essentially) the same frame marked 
just the versatility I'm after. Looking forward to having a Riv of my very 
own! 
It's also really nice to hear that a chunk of their sales will be going to 
Pine Ridge. It sort of puts a finer point on "voting with your dollar" 
By the way Jason, your bike almost sent me into a Bombadil quest like no 
other, but have decided I want to experience this long chainstay madness. 

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 10:47:38 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I was a bit hasty there and neglected the other questions (well, the ones 
> I can answer anyway):  No change to the chainstay length nor the tire 
> clearance, just based on comparison of new and old geometry tables.  I'm 
> not sure on other changes; Grant said this batch has slightly longer 
> "bellies" to the butted tubes which make the frame a touch lighter and 
> livelier, but that's as compared to the last batch rather than the first 
> batch, so not necessarily relevant.  
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:42 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Keith, 
>>
>> The current 57 Appa has a 10mm longer top tube than the old 58 Appa did!  
>> Current 57 is a 625 effective TT, whereas the old 58 was 615.  Definitely 
>> sounds like good news for you! 
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:35 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have time to study nuances and geometries and subtle, running 
>>> design changes like I used to, but I still sort of regret not getting a 
>>> 58cm double-top-tuber from the first batch.  (When they were announced and 
>>> went on sale, I was precluded by the fact that I was still waiting on a 
>>> Clem from the first run, which ended up being almost - but not quite - 
>>> ideal for me, so I eventually got rid of it.)  
>>>
>>> Can anyone provide a clear, accurate summary of how the details of this 
>>> model have changed?  
>>>
>>> I know the seat tube sizes/designations are 1cm less, but did the top 
>>> tubes or effective front-centers stay the same, or get shorter or, better 
>>> yet, get LONGER?
>>>
>>> I know the fork blades got stiffer/thicker after the first run.  Any 
>>> other changes since.
>>>
>>> Has tire clearance improved?
>>>
>>> Have chainstays gotten longer or shorter, etc?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any geeky analysis or datapoints.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Now that the new Joe Appa's are hitting shelves (everywhere but at 
 Rivendell, as is becoming the norm!) I reckon it's time for a central 
 place 
 to chat about them, a la the Platy thread! 

 Crust has their inventory live for purchase at $1650:  

 https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/rivendell-joe-appaloosa

 I will be abstaining because there is no line of reason that could 
 possibly justify my buying one, but I look forward to living vicariously 
 through others! 

 [image: DSC07418-2_1800x1800.jpg]

>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/e9cFQqaLcas/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2311e4d2-adc9-481d-ba50-08007a48ca25n%40googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/24502415-34da-41ae-99d4-bef1e5a5ee2cn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] rando, kiddo riding partners around Sacramento & northern California

[Addison Quarles]

Clark! I am in Sacramento and am currently nursing a bum wrist, but it 
ought to be all healed up by the time I'm finished building my Appaloosa. 
Do you ride the ARP much? That's where most of my riding is done these 
days, as working sixty hour weeks doesn't leave much time for skipping 
town. I do endeavor to get out and camp at least a few times this summer, 
though.
If you're up for a jaunt down the Parkway sometime send me a message! 

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 6:42:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> More cute (and pretty landscape) photos; thank you. Your daughter looks to 
> be about the age of mine when I rode her around the area bike paths pulling 
> a doublewide child trailer with an old Raleigh Technium Sports Tourer fixed 
> gear. Good times.
>
> She won't let me do that any more, as she will be 20 next week.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 6:12 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, here are some more photos.
>>
>> Stopping at a cafe with the kids for breakfast.
>> [image: cafe_with_kids.png]
>>
>> Northeastern Sierra Nevada mountains
>> [image: sierras.png]
>>
>> Riding through a little unseasonal snow (alone- NOT with the kids!)
>> [image: snow_clark.png]
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not in your area, but if I were I'd certainly want to give the rando 
>>> rides a try. I'd have to work up to 5 hours -- well, I've done a few ~35-40 
>>> mile fixed gear rides on pavement in the last couple of years -- let along 
>>> 20, but 7-11 mph sounds right.
>>>
>>> The photos are charming; please post more!
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, just back from a very nice out 'n back on the paved Rio 
>>> Grande bike path.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:52 PM Clark Fitzgerald  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I'm looking for people to ride with inside a 2 hour driving radius of 
 Sacramento, CA. I'm specifically interested in two niche kinds of riding 
 that others here may also enjoy. (Scroll down for pictures)

 1. 5 - 20 hour randonneur style rides on low traffic backroads, gravel, 
 or forest service roads. I ride a Rivendell Atlantis and usually average a 
 moderate 7-11 mph pace on dirt depending on conditions. Sometimes I camp. 
 I 
 also have a Co-motion Periscope tandem with 42mm tires and a dynamo 
 headlight. It has a 59 cm top tube, and I can ride captain or stoker.

 2. Bike camping with 2 and 5 year old children for 1 to 3 nights. My 
 kids love to go camping with other kids. We have an electric cargo bike 
 that seats three, and the tandem fits a rider as young as 5 years old.

 Please drop me a note if you're local and this kind of riding sounds 
 fun to you! Before planning a big ride, I think it's prudent to first meet 
 up and go for a 1-2 hour local ride, say on the American river bike trail.

 A little more about me- I'm a busy working Dad, and I've tried to 
 squeeze in big rides where I can for the last 15 years or so. I'm in 
 academia, so summers are a good time :) I moved to Sacramento last year, 
 and COVID has prevented me from riding much with others. I'm vaccinated 
 against COVID. If you're coming from the Bay Area, I may be able to drive 
 from Amtrak Capital Corridor into the Sierras.

 Best,
 Clark
  
 lovely, endless dirt roads in the Eastern Sierras
 [image: sierra_dirt.png]

 Family with the tandem a couple years ago
 [image: tandem.png]

 Electric cargo bike kid camping
 [image: cargo_bike.png]

 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
 Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
 an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bea362cf-5bcf-4cb1-9ce3-262b2c60b746n%40googlegroups.com
  
 
 .

>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/8FR0JqwC-_c/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgskGYFcU60MD-kC21VWPBetC9RV2LqaSgbdVMr3PyXs7Q%40mail.gmail.com
>>>  
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Addison Quarles]

Jason, beautiful bike and beautiful documentation of your rides! 
Can I ask what the gearing on your bike is like? Is that 11-42 in the back? 
Thanks! 
-Addison 
(I hope to reincarnate as a bike like yours!) 

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:33:37 PM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

> Inspiring 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 AM, greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
> Wow! Amazing loop! thanks for sharing! You mention bears and cougars, do 
> you ever carry bear spray? 
> Scott
>
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:02:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Very pretty photos. One of my favorite kinds of riding is dirt or gravel 
>> roads or trails that are not technical, just like those you show. I live 
>> close to a lot of them, but ours are sandy; tossup whether I'd prefer sand 
>> or mud. 
>>
>> This moves me to resolve to explore more of our trails north of where I 
>> live, and spend half a day doing that, sometime soon!
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>>> region. 
>>>
>>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>>
>>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>>
>>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was 
>>> only about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to 
>>> the west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm 
>>> now. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>>
>>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>>> lichen covered trees. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>>
>>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>>> the rest of the evening! 
>>>
>>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>>
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8ac409e1-a5c4-4a7e-85cc-a570fdd7f2b8n%40googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Addison Quarles]

The cordless option had never occurred to me; part of my trouble has always 
been the weight of the cord throwing off the balance of the tool so that 
could really make a difference. And I can say for sure I've probably not 
been letting the blade do the work, hence the worry about binding and 
scooting into the frame/fork. 
Any kind of snip would obviously be out of the question with tubular fender 
stays, but I guess I had assumed we were talking about solid ones since he 
didn't specify. 
I've never had much problem with a hand file slipping, but it would seem 
we've landed on a concrete example of different strokes being for different 
folks. 
Sounds like I'll have to invest in a battery operated Dremel and give this 
whole "brevity thing" a try! 
-Addison


On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 1:07:45 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I just picked up the cutting wheels below and they did cut through a 
> broken tap so they appear to do a good job so far. And it didn’t shatter 
> like many of the cutting wheels I have used in the past.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B4UDH3/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_track_package_o0_img?ie=UTF8=1
>
> +1 on the cordless option. I just picked one up to replace a corded model 
> and cordless is the way to go.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I slip with a hand file a heckuva lot more than I do with a Dremel. 
>
> And the Dremel leaves so much less to finish after the cut. Sometimes it 
> just takes a few twists with some sandpaper.
>
> I don't have a lot of Honjo tubular struts, but I've got a couple/few, and 
> snips/cutters don't make any sense there. Dremel or hacksaw.
>
> The key Dremel heaven is to use a rechargeable Dremel, no cord to get in 
> the way or limit travel.
>
> And that's all I have to say about that
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Are you set on using a dremel for cutting and finishing? 
>> I use a pair of bolt cutters and a bench top belt sander with good 
>> results. I just worry about operating spinny, cutty tools so near a 
>> (presumably) beautiful paint job. It's of course more work to fit them, cut 
>> them, take them off, finish the edges and then reinstall, but maybe I'm 
>> just one to take the scenic route. 
>> If I'm in a "hurry" I'll cut with the bolt cutters and finish with a hand 
>> file, leaving the strut mounted to the fender but not mounted to the frame 
>> eyelet. 
>> All the same, if you're handy with the Dremel and trust that you won't 
>> nick the paint, I've always enjoyed using a flex shaft attachment, as it's 
>> easier to articulate with. 
>> Best of luck!
>> -Addison 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 7:50:11 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my 
>>> Dremel rotary.
>>>
>>> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
>>> paralyzing.
>>>
>>> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for 
>>> cutting stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp 
>>> edges after the cuts.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any information.
>>>
>> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6c893c16-24f8-49f0-8c0e-94b77b1b97b0n%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
> .
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4a31f46f-1489-425e-a231-3bcfb0797f84n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Ride differences between Bombadil and Appaloosa

[Addison Quarles]

Wow, that bombadil is beautiful! 
I will be watching this thread as I’ve liquidated some things to get the 
cash necessary to buy an Appaloosa next month, and am always interested in 
being further talked into something I’ve already decided. 

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:57:37 PM UTC-7 nus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not to hijack this thread (sorry, Jason!), but I've been pondering a 
> similar question in light of the soon-to-be-available Appaloosas: how 
> different is the ride between my Toyo Atlantis 
>  and a new long-chainstay 
> Appaloosa? My uses would be similar to Jason's--mostly around-town riding 
> with some gravel/single-track thrown in for good measure--so I'm hopeful 
> that my question isn't too far afield!
>
> Andrew in Denver
>
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I know some of you are already chuckling, assuming my eyes are already 
>> wandering towards a new project after only seven months on the Bombadil... 
>> well fair, but mostly I am just looking to do my due diligence given that 
>> a) Appa's are about to be available in Mermaid and b) at some point soon, 
>> I'd be spending decent money on a liquid paint job and a few small braze-on 
>> additions that the Joe already has.  
>>
>> I assume the two bikes ride pretty similarly and weigh pretty similar 
>> amounts (the Bombadil, while a burlier bike in theory, is also Waterford 
>> build with probably lighter tubing than Grant would use today), in which 
>> case I'd stay with the Bombadil.  But my main use-case of the Bombadil, 
>> especially in the future, is longer distance commuting (90%+ paved). So if 
>> the Appa was noticably quicker and more comfortable, that would be very 
>> interesting to me. I realize both are a bit overkill for that purpose, but 
>> I want to keep it versatile for hauling stuff and has to be 650B due to the 
>> expensive wheelset I just built. Mostly, I just want to initiate a 
>> comparison discussion! 
>>
>> New paint would be either palm green / sand green VW bus colours (dark 
>> olive green, and greenish-beige head tube and details), or flat grey with 
>> cream headtube. Additions would be M6 rear rack mounts like the Appa has, 
>> internal tail light routing, and triple bottle bosses on seat tube. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210501_231647339.jpg]
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/84739b13-265b-477f-8388-99a3dcba6a1fn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Addison Quarles]

Are you set on using a dremel for cutting and finishing? 
I use a pair of bolt cutters and a bench top belt sander with good results. 
I just worry about operating spinny, cutty tools so near a (presumably) 
beautiful paint job. It's of course more work to fit them, cut them, take 
them off, finish the edges and then reinstall, but maybe I'm just one to 
take the scenic route. 
If I'm in a "hurry" I'll cut with the bolt cutters and finish with a hand 
file, leaving the strut mounted to the fender but not mounted to the frame 
eyelet. 
All the same, if you're handy with the Dremel and trust that you won't nick 
the paint, I've always enjoyed using a flex shaft attachment, as it's 
easier to articulate with. 
Best of luck!
-Addison 


On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 7:50:11 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my Dremel 
> rotary.
>
> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
> paralyzing.
>
> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for cutting 
> stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp edges 
> after the cuts.
>
> Thanks for any information.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2d4d27a0-d884-4e18-9c2a-d42958fe2bffn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Addison Quarles]

Michael, 
One of my distributors seems to have a stockpile of 26” tires at their 
warehouse in Indiana, including 20 pairs of marathon racers in 1.5”. 
If you’re interested in getting a pair I could have them drop shipped to 
you. Email me if you’d like: bicyclerepair...@gmail.com
After Jack’s Review of the Supreme EVO I wish I could get some of those! 

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 5:08:34 AM UTC-7 Jack K wrote:

> Michael,
>
> If you liked your Marathon Racers then you may be happy with the Marathon 
> Supreme, but opt for the high-zoot Evo version. If you're used to paying 
> Compass/RH tire prices then even the spendy version of the Marathon Supreme 
> is bargain priced. Despite the name, Marathon Racers were never a 
> particularly fast tire and are now an old design.The Marathon Supreme EVO 
> uses Schwalbe's latest tire technologies and does extremely well in testing 
> and real world reporting for efficiency, durability, flat shrugoffability, 
> road grip, etc...  Can be run tubeless, if that's your thing and the black 
> sidewalls with reflective band are durable and surprisingly visible at 
> night. I'm running the 26x1.6" EVO version and am quite pleased with them, 
> but they're available wider (2"?) if you need more meat. I've ordered 
> several sets over a couple of years from EU-based mailorder shops (usually 
> Bike24, Starbike or Bike-Discount.de) and never paid more than $40 / tire 
> for the most expensive folding EVO version.
>
> If you'd like links to credible instrumented testing of this tire I can 
> look that up for you. Record setting Velomobiles often use a 26" tire out 
> back and every watt is precious to those guys, so there's been more than a 
> little lab testing and real world experience with 26" road-going tires. 
> Being part of Schwalbe's Trekking tire line the Marathon Supreme isn't the 
> lightest, fastest 26" road tire out there, but for everyday use I find it a 
> great combination of zippiness and toughness.
>
> -Jack K.
>
> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
>> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
>> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
>> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
>> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
>> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
>>  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
>> able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
>> light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.
>>
>> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
>> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
>> corner the market. 
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a8371abc-2c82-4d81-8215-80213e7ad8b5n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Addison Quarles]

Got it! Both lovely tires. I’d bought up and squirreled away some Pasela 
Tourguards back when they changed over to the “Protite” 
Among them a pair of 26x1.75’s. I eventually put them on something but in 
hindsight I wish I’d bought more. Just mounted my last pair of 700x35’s on my 
“forever bike” 
I don’t know why, but I can’t stand the colors of the label. The old TG logo 
just looks right. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c5531f65-31f9-43ff-b2f8-d921237e1272o%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Addison Quarles]

I must ask: a 41mm Pasela? How have I missed out on this? 700 x 41? Or is 
this another way of referring to the 26 x 1.75? 
Also, holy smokes do you have photos of this bike anywhere? This thing 
sounds wild!

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> No, though 1 reason was that I had only the 1 Pasela which I acquired as a 
> a design gauge. 
>
> There was perhaps 5 mm of clearance between top of Pasela and bottom of 
> flat-head allen bolt, and I could have ridden it so, but I wanted the fork 
> made right, which means room for a real 45 and 10 mm under fender bolt.
>
> Once all is as it ought to be, I hope to get some Naches Pass tires and 
> *really* try out the design!
>
> Chauncey was waiting for a new (biplane; Pacenti?) fork crown a weeke ago.
>
> Which leads to a dilemma, one that can only afflict the privileged: should 
> 29s or 42s be the default tire? I'm inclined to keep the 29s as the "main" 
> tire, since they ride so ineffably well on pavement, and since the bike 
> handles so wonderfully with them. I personally have no use for tires fatter 
> than, say, 32 mm, for pavement, even less than perfect pavement; given our 
> sandy soil, I prefer *real* width, as in 60 mm, and 700C to boot, for off 
> road. The Naches Passes would be occasional, "just 'cause I feel like it" 
> tires.
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:14 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:
>
>> Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to 
>>> re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample room 
>>> under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender in 
>>> front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the fork 
>>> legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender mount 
>>> with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the 
>>> steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside of 
>>> the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake to 
>>> the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv 
>>> clone) handling.
>>>
>>> Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s 
>>> with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for 
>>> Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts 
>>> (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f and 
>>> r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.
>>>
>>> Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass 
>>> tires.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/acd30f1c-8233-462d-af3e-2f3f9ce55c20o%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e4f4bdac-d5d9-4396-b2b4-b69ce258f550n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Addison Quarles]

One might argue that this bike represents a forgotten cube of Rivendell 
Bullion, tucked away on a dusty shelf, waiting to be added to some 
crazy-ass long-chainstayed stew a couple decades down the road. 
I've longed for an All Rounder. Missed one for a criminally low price years 
back and haven't slept well since. 
Beautiful bike, Tim. 

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:07:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tim: Welcome, and have no fear about a bar lower than saddle. All my bikes 
> have bars lower than saddle, though the dirt road bike only by 6 or 12 mm 
> (much longer stem, though). In the "just ride" world there is a very well 
> defined and categorized place for lower bars.
>
> The All Rounder looks a lot of fun. My move to Rivendell as similar, 
> though more road-focused. I had bought a 1992 XO-1 after hearing about it 
> and thinking it might be the solution to the handling inadequacies of the 
> several 26" wheel mountain bikes I'd "road-ified" with road tires, gearing, 
> and drop bars: the defect was that, although nice, they didn't handle like 
> a nice road bike. The XO-1 was much closer. I built in in several forms, 
> including gofast road bike, and when Grant announed Rivendell, I asked him 
> to make me a road bike like the XO-1 but "better." He said, "Oh, it'll be 
> better" -- and it was. He used the AR as the model, for 26" road wheels, 
> but steeper head (73*) and road tubing, lugs, and crown. It was good. Then 
> he built 2 more 26" wheel road bikes, even better. I still have 1, the 
> other very recently replaced with a clone by another builder that includes 
> certain modifications that I wanted, including -- getting back to the 
> Ancestor -- room for 45 mm tires with fenders for light off road riding. 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM Tim Wilson  wrote:
>
>> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
>> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
>> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>>
>> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
>> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
>> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
>> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
>> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
>> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>>
>> [image: Image.jpg]
>>
>> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
>> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
>> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
>> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
>> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
>> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>>
>> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
>> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
>> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
>> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
>> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
>> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
>> mustache bars.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>>
>> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not 
>> make the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a 
>> bike with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>>
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3668ede8-b420-45a7-8123-c2a2e8468e1an%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2c5f8b80-1722-43cd-b762-f64d15b83f55n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

[Addison Quarles]

Jim M.: 
IIRC The horns of the Crazy Bar have a 23.8mm OD and a ~20mm ID to 
accommodate common bar end/TT brake levers, so running road levers would 
work if one wanted to save the bar end real estate for something else. A 
duo of mirrors? Bar end shifters? a couple knocks to make a slingshot?   

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:

> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-7, Zack Medow wrote:
>>
>> So I maybe didn't describe this well enough. Just imagine a mustache bar 
>> but with the brake hoods in the standard position for a drop bar. So it's 
>> like a normal dop bar, but all parts of the bar are on the same plane. The 
>> idea is to have a normal hoods position, plus a swoop back part of the bar 
>> that's on the same level with the drops. 
>>
>>>
>>> I've been intrigued by Velo Orange's Crazy Bar, though I don't know if 
> you can put drop levers on those horns: 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/crazy-bars-1 
>
>
>
> 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b7e8c345-51e4-4035-917b-74115c794741n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Color survey! Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check

[Addison Quarles]

The turquoise/yellow reminds me of the Pantani Bianchi. 
What a tough selection! 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f0db7850-6bf2-4997-bce6-5aa0236962ado%40googlegroups.com.