[RBW] Re: WTT: have 64cm frames, looking for 62cm or equivalent

[David Craig]

Kevin - I'm also interested, though I have nothing to trade. I sold all my 
Riv's to group members years ago when I was going through a tough time. The 
medical condition I had is now resolved, and I've been wanting to get back 
on a bike again!


On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 12:07:44 PM UTC-7 The Snag wrote:

> Hey Kevin, my only 62 has 2 toobz but I'd be interested in buying your 64 
> Atlantis, been on my list for a while. Direct reply still seems to be 
> missing, you can shoot me a line at northcoastcompost at gmail. 
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 9:27:26 PM UTC-7 Kevin D norcal wrote:
>
>> I have a 64cm Toyo Atlantis in very good condition.
>> And a 64cm Toyo Rambouillet in excellent condition.
>>
>> Finally admitting that they are too big for me - and am hoping to find 
>> someone with a comparable 62cm frame that might be interested to trade in 
>> some fashion.  Both bikes are currently complete (original Riv builds: 
>> Sugino cranks, Rich wheels, etc) but would be willing to just do the frames 
>> if easier.  My PBH is 90cm.  I also had a 61 Roadini but thought it fit 
>> like a 64-65cm frame.  
>>
>> Am looking for a traditional style frame (not really interested in double 
>> top tube, swoopy, or extra long wheelbase frames):
>> Rambouillet - 62cm
>> AHH - ~61-62cm
>> SamH - whatever fits like a 61-62cm 
>>
>> If this swapping idea doesn't work out and I wind up selling these in a 
>> few weeks I will do a posting here, but would prioritize local sale to 
>> avoid boxing and shipping.
>>
>> (please excuse cranks not being in proper postion for pics.)
>>
>> [image: IMG_6036.JPG][image: IMG_6037.JPG]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

The AHH has sold. Thank you all for the notes of concern and support. 

Dave

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:48:59 PM UTC-8, David Craig wrote:
>
> Hey, Folks.
>
> Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted hiatus 
> from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be hitting 
> the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've decided 
> to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather than store 
> it.
>
> The bike is in great condition - pictured here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216
>
> Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather seat 
> and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the riser - 
> otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.
>
> I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
> looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
> to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
> to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
> to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.
>
> I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe I've 
> got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 
>
> Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get back 
> to you ASAP.
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

Thank you for your kind words, Ryan.

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 2:43:26 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Dear Dave
>
> Sorry to hear this. I hope the bike goes to a really good home with 
> minimal hassle to yourself. Bikes are a huge part of my life as well, and I 
> would be in agony too, when the time comes to let go of them .For now I 
> treasure the time I still have left to enjoy them. Best wishes for your 
> sabbatical
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 7:55:18 PM UTC-6, David Craig wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to do as a couple of you suggested and investigate how I can 
>> responsibly ship the bike given my current situation. I'm moving in a week, 
>> and all of the tools I've used to ship bikes in the past are in storage. 
>> Perhaps I'll see if the folks at RBW might be able to pack and ship the 
>> bike for me. I've got a pretty high standard for shipping expensive bikes 
>> and I've never seen anyone else match the perfection of their packing.
>>
>> Most importantly, this particular bike is pretty hard to let go of as 
>> it's my last Riv (I've had 4), and it represents letting go of much more 
>> than the physical possession. Bikes have been a big part of my identity for 
>> much of my life. I'm pretty tough, but disassembling and packing the bike 
>> would be agonizingly painful.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:48:59 PM UTC-8, David Craig wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, Folks.
>>>
>>> Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted 
>>> hiatus from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be 
>>> hitting the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've 
>>> decided to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather 
>>> than store it.
>>>
>>> The bike is in great condition - pictured here: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216
>>>
>>> Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather 
>>> seat and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the 
>>> riser - otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.
>>>
>>> I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
>>> looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
>>> to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
>>> to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
>>> to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.
>>>
>>> I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe 
>>> I've got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 
>>>
>>> Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get 
>>> back to you ASAP.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

Hey, Sam.

PBH is approx 94. Saddle ht tends to be around 82-84.

Dave

On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 11:06:19 PM UTC-8, Sam Wanless wrote:
>
> dave,
>
> what's your saddle height? and pbh, for that matter?
>
> thanks,
> sam
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:48:59 PM UTC-8, David Craig wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Folks.
>>
>> Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted hiatus 
>> from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be hitting 
>> the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've decided 
>> to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather than store 
>> it.
>>
>> The bike is in great condition - pictured here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216
>>
>> Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather 
>> seat and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the 
>> riser - otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.
>>
>> I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
>> looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
>> to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
>> to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
>> to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.
>>
>> I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe I've 
>> got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 
>>
>> Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get 
>> back to you ASAP.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

I'm going to do as a couple of you suggested and investigate how I can 
responsibly ship the bike given my current situation. I'm moving in a week, 
and all of the tools I've used to ship bikes in the past are in storage. 
Perhaps I'll see if the folks at RBW might be able to pack and ship the 
bike for me. I've got a pretty high standard for shipping expensive bikes 
and I've never seen anyone else match the perfection of their packing.

Most importantly, this particular bike is pretty hard to let go of as it's 
my last Riv (I've had 4), and it represents letting go of much more than 
the physical possession. Bikes have been a big part of my identity for much 
of my life. I'm pretty tough, but disassembling and packing the bike would 
be agonizingly painful.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:48:59 PM UTC-8, David Craig wrote:
>
> Hey, Folks.
>
> Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted hiatus 
> from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be hitting 
> the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've decided 
> to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather than store 
> it.
>
> The bike is in great condition - pictured here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216
>
> Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather seat 
> and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the riser - 
> otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.
>
> I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
> looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
> to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
> to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
> to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.
>
> I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe I've 
> got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 
>
> Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get back 
> to you ASAP.
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

Thank you, Patrick. I appreciate the thoughts and prayers.

Dave

On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 5:55:37 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> That is a beautiful Homer! But for higher priorities, I'd be all over this 
> for long remote fire road rides. My thoughts and prayers for you in your 
> health issues.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 12:03:51 AM UTC-7, David Craig wrote:
>>
>> Yep. Complete Hilsen. Great bike in excellent condition.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

Yep. Complete Hilsen. Great bike in excellent condition. Perhaps someone 
who has a bit more time and patience than me can resell for more $$. Right 
now, storage and reducing my possessions are priorities for me.

I recently cleaned out a hoarder's home who was always holding on to things 
in order to "sell them for what they're worth." When she could no longer 
manage her own affairs, we ended up trashing or giving away many of those 
"treasures" just to cope with the monumental task of cleaning up the mess. 
I refuse to put my loved ones through the same situation.

Dave

On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 5:23:53 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> That's a beauty! Man is some long legged rider gonna get a deal! $1300 for 
> a complete Hilsen?? I'm surprised that hasn't sold @ $1500. If it was my 
> size I'd be on the road right now.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:48:59 PM UTC-8, David Craig wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Folks.
>>
>> Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted hiatus 
>> from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be hitting 
>> the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've decided 
>> to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather than store 
>> it.
>>
>> The bike is in great condition - pictured here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216
>>
>> Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather 
>> seat and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the 
>> riser - otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.
>>
>> I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
>> looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
>> to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
>> to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
>> to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.
>>
>> I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe I've 
>> got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 
>>
>> Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get 
>> back to you ASAP.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

Dropping the price to $1300.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:48:59 PM UTC-8, David Craig wrote:
>
> Hey, Folks.
>
> Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted hiatus 
> from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be hitting 
> the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've decided 
> to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather than store 
> it.
>
> The bike is in great condition - pictured here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216
>
> Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather seat 
> and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the riser - 
> otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.
>
> I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
> looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
> to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
> to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
> to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.
>
> I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe I've 
> got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 
>
> Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get back 
> to you ASAP.
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

Hey, Folks.

Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted hiatus 
from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be hitting 
the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've decided 
to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather than store 
it.

The bike is in great condition - pictured 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216

Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather seat 
and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the riser - 
otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.

I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.

I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe I've 
got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 

Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get back 
to you ASAP.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[David Craig]

My current Hilsen has DT shifters. As others have said, I like the looks. 
I'm also very comfortable with DT shifters so, even though I'm a tall guy, 
I don't really notice any issues that would ever make me want to give up 
style over function. 

When I had an Atlantis touring bike, I used DT shifters for several years 
before switching to barends. In those years, we were touring a lot and 
using Amtrak to get to the start of our tours. With a big frame, I had to 
remove the bars to fit the bike into the Amtrak bike box. Not dealing with 
shifter cables made that a bit easier. I also started using v-brakes and 
used a threadless stem adapter for the same reasons. Releasing the brakes 
was easy and not having to deal with a quill stem made getting the bars off 
super simple. I did switch back to barends on my last tour. I do find them 
a bit safer and easier on a loaded touring bike when riding slowly, dealing 
with strong crosswinds or in traffic on rutted city streets. 

Dave

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:09:21 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> If I love friction  bar end shifting, will I find friction DT shifting 
> just as easy and enjoyable? 
>
> Never done it before, and seems like the reach may make it more difficult 
> and looks like there's a big potential for knees banging into forearms 
> while pedalling and reaching down to shift  at same time. 
>
> What's your experience been with DT shifting?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[David Craig]

I've toured on a couple of Riv's (Atlantis and Bombadil) and a 26-inch 
wheel LHT. Had great, extended tours on all. The only touring bike I now 
own is the LHT. 

In my size (60 cm frame), I found the wheelbase too long on the Bombadil 
with the 50mm tires I prefer - and I've come to love 50's for touring. A 
long wheelbase, large wheels/big tires and big frame are a hassle when 
using public transportation and packing for travel. Folks with smaller 
frames probably wouldn't have this issue. It was a rock solid touring bike 
and my next in preference to the LHT.

The Atlantis was a fine touring bike. It was lovely. But, in reality with a 
full load, no better or worse than my LHT. I actually regret selling my 
Atlantis (a 64cm), because it was a good all around bike. Now that I'm not 
mountain biking and touring anymore, the Atlantis would have been a good 
bike to ride off into the sunset on. 

Here's why I prefer the LHT for touring: It's a solid, relatively 
inexpensive bike with functional components and no quirks. It's an entirely 
forgiving (uses any components), easily outfitted bike that costs less for 
a whole bike than an Atlantis frame. The LHT is an entirely suitable bike 
for touring and there are tons of them out there doing it in all 
environments. Something Atlantis owners seem willing to forgive is that the 
bike isn't especially forgiving of chainring size and front derailleur 
type. Most of us have experienced chainsuck. The LHT, and particularly the 
26 wheel bike, can use any combo of crank and derailleur on the market and 
the stock set up worked flawlessly for me.

It is better to be touring than dreaming about touring. Now that I'm no 
longer able to tour, I'm glad that I was a doer and not a dreamer. There 
are lots of folks out there who get hung up on finding the ultimate touring 
bike and outfitting it with the best parts. Many of those would-be tourists 
never actually end up doing a significant tour.

DC

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:56:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
> and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
> the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
> focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
> touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.
>
> I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
> wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
> recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.
>
> I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
> ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
> for the Atlantis.
>
> My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
> custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
> warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?
>
> He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
> anything about that model.
>
> What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?
>
> Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
> Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
> damned.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[David Craig]

Point taken, Matt.

On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW that they 
list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? If so, does it 
apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle to the tt 
(Hilborne).?

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[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[David Craig]

Matt:

"Also, Surly measures their Crosscheck and LHT frame sizes *exactly* the 
same way Rivendell measures theirs:   Center-to-top (i.e., top of TT).
My better half owns one of the early crosschecks which is sitting in our 
living room, and this is how it's measured/sized."

>From the Riv site:

Sizing Rivendells (the bikes we design) -- frame sizes measured center of 
crank to top of seat tube
*
*
Not saying you didn't see what you saw, but I just measured my AHH and it's 
65 cm at the top of the seat tube.

Dave

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:55:14 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:12:22 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>>
>> What constitutes a "fistful", and why does such an arbitrary dimension 
>> lead us around by the short hairs? Can't we go 2 cm either way and still 
>> have an approximate fistful?  I would say that in general, with Long Haul 
>> Truckers and Cross-checks, go one size down from the Riv recommendation 
>> simply because the way the two brands measure frame size is slightly 
>> different. 
>
>
>
> I dunno  I guess "fistful" is what you end up with for seatpost 
> exposure when you subtract ~17cm from your saddle height and get your frame 
> size, since that is what Rivendell/Grant 
> recommends, 
> a "fistful", and that is the way he recommends arriving at it.I'm sure 
> you could go 2cm either way under this system, but this post began about a 
> guy being sold a frame that was 4cm too small for him by his own 
> estimation, and that of his friend (the OP, Ian). He wanted a 62, and 
> the shop was adamant that he should ride a 58.In this case I'd guess 
> Grant's and Ian's sizing system/recommendation have served him well.
>
> Also, Surly measures their Crosscheck and LHT frame sizes *exactly* the 
> same way Rivendell measures theirs:   Center-to-top (i.e., top of TT).
> My better half owns one of the early crosschecks which is sitting in our 
> living room, and this is how it's measured/sized.
>
>
> You'll still have an approximate fistful (depending on the size of your 
>> fist), and the bike will better approximate the fit of the recommended Riv 
>> size.  
>
>
> The geometries of the 58cm LHT and 58cm Atlantis are virtually identical, 
> so I'd guess if you wanted your LHT to fit approximately like an Atlantis 
> (as the Riv chart recommends sizing it), you'd couldn't get any closer than 
> by purchasing the same size.Sure the BB is spec'd at 2mm higher on 
> the LHT , with a 78mm 
> drop rather than 80mm of the Riv, but I don't reckon that makes an 
> appreciable difference in how big the bike feels.
>
> Matt
>
>
> If you measure a LHT the same way you measure an Atlantis, a 56 LHT is 
>> more equivalent to a 58 cm Atlantis. I had a 58 Atlantis for years, but a 
>> 58 Trucker felt big to me.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote:
>>>
>>> "Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite 
>>> likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. "
>>>
>>> I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a 
>>> Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems 
>>> the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or 
>>> Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of 
>>> seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would 
>>> not result in a bike that is too big at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
>>> Cyclery wrote:

 All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. 
 With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is 
 long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old 
 Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, 
 but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on 
 steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of 
 the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, 
 get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely 
 worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can 
 have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm 
 frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem 
 length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the 
 Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike 
 that's on the too-big side. 

 I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a 
 lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this 
 feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they 
 don't li

[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[David Craig]

Jim

+1 on your assessment for sizing Riv Atlantis and Surly LHT. 

My 62cm LHT fits similarly to the way my 64cm Atlantis did. Going to a 64cm 
LHT would also have me on a bike with a somewhat longer tt for the same bar 
height. I've got a short torso for my height and the extra reach would be 
unwelcome for my optimum choice of fit on a touring bike. Even on my 62, 
I'd love to bring the bars back another cm or so, but stems don't come that 
stubby!

DC

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:12:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> What constitutes a "fistful", and why does such an arbitrary dimension 
> lead us around by the short hairs? Can't we go 2 cm either way and still 
> have an approximate fistful?  I would say that in general, with Long Haul 
> Truckers and Cross-checks, go one size down from the Riv recommendation 
> simply because the way the two brands measure frame size is slightly 
> different. You'll still have an approximate fistful (depending on the size 
> of your fist), and the bike will better approximate the fit of the 
> recommended Riv size.  If you measure a LHT the same way you measure an 
> Atlantis, a 56 LHT is more equivalent to a 58 cm Atlantis. I had a 58 
> Atlantis for years, but a 58 Trucker felt big to me.
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote:
>>
>> "Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite 
>> likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. "
>>
>> I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a 
>> Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems 
>> the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or 
>> Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of 
>> seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would 
>> not result in a bike that is too big at all.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
>> Cyclery wrote:
>>>
>>> All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. 
>>> With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is 
>>> long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old 
>>> Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, 
>>> but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on 
>>> steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of 
>>> the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, 
>>> get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely 
>>> worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can 
>>> have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm 
>>> frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem 
>>> length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the 
>>> Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike 
>>> that's on the too-big side. 
>>>
>>> I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a 
>>> lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this 
>>> feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they 
>>> don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come 
>>> back to have the steerer shortened.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[David Craig]

Wow, Jim, thanks for this information. 

I had never really thought about this since I always ride Surly's largest 
sizes. I checked out the Surly site and noted that for the LHT, all sizes 
of the 700c bikes have a 320 mm steer tube. I'm glad I didn't get a 64cm 
LHT thinking I would get additional bar height over a 62! And I'm equally 
glad I didn't advise anyone to go for larger sizes just to get the bars 
higher because your point about the problem of getting too large of a frame 
when buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guidelines seems right on. 
However, negative perceptions about stacks o spacers on uncut tubes do 
complicate putting someone on the best frame size as you suggest. It took 
me a year to sell my wife on a steer tube extension for her road bike 
because she didn't like the way it looked. Neck pain and hand numbness 
eventually helped to make the case.

I did note that the 26" LHT's do have different sized steerers for 
different ranges. Size 54 and below have a 300mm steer tube and 56 and 
above have a 380mm steer tube.

It seems clear also that a 62cm CC would have a lower max bar height than a 
62cm LHT given that CC's have a 300mm steer tube and LHT's have a 320mm 
tube. So . . . someone looking to get those bars up there for a given frame 
size would be better served by getting the LHT.

Dave

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:53 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. 
> With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is 
> long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old 
> Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, 
> but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on 
> steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of 
> the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, 
> get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely 
> worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can 
> have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm 
> frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem 
> length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the 
> Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike 
> that's on the too-big side. 
>
> I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a 
> lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this 
> feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they 
> don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come 
> back to have the steerer shortened.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

Nice!! I usually file the ends of the stays to round them off as well. 
Seems like end caps always fall off and the sharp metal on the stays can 
result in cuts.

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:08:25 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> More pics after I trimmed the stay. 
>
> Andy, you're next. 
> On Jul 30, 2013 4:37 PM, "John Philip" > 
> wrote:
>
> I agree. I never liked the p clamp mount. The Nitto hardware makes for 
> easy on and off as well. I've mounted the rack on two bikes with only 
> slight adjustment.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[David Craig]

"Lets not have this degrade into something where people have to justify to 
whoever that they use what they buy or "deserve" to own something."

Yep, I agree 100%. I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone.

I have nothin' against hatchet buyers or sellers, would-be woodspeople in 
Walnut Creek, or anybody who buys something they don't strictly need - 
especially things as benign as bicycles and and nicely made hatchets. My 
message had more to do with *tolerance and understanding* for people in the 
bike industry. 

I meant to highlight that bike fitting is complicated by a whole range of 
factors that includes the nature of expert advice, advertising hype, what 
sells, and a view of our possessions as a means of defining who we are. 
Folks buy often buy stuff based on an image of themselves they find 
appealing and what that sort of person might do someday. Those self images 
and desires can complicate fitting customers out in outdoor gear that is 
appropriate. Of course, it's only a complication for a salesperson who 
actually cares that the customer is well served by the purchase.

The hatchet comment wasn't necessary to make my point. Sorry, but the image 
of suburban, Riv-riding, hatchet-toting bike riders does strike me as a 
little bit funny. Thanks for being forgiving about that, Liesl. 

Peter - I must admit that I might buy one of those nice hatchets BECAUSE it 
would make a lovely wall hanging.  I'm also a guy who, until recently, 
owned seven bikes and at least a couple of those NEVER got ridden. Nope, it 
won't be me who will be throwing stones . . . or hatchets.

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:45:07 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Lets not have this degrade into something where people have to justify to 
> whoever that they use what they buy or "deserve" to own something. I buy 
> stuff because I like it, what I do or don't do with it is my own business. 
> I might buy that hatchet and just hang it on a wall for the next 20 years 
> because I think its pretty. I ride my Bombadil maybe once a week, do I 
> deserve to own it less? Good luck on the bike fitting, its why I bought 
> used for years until I found a fit that was just right for me, saves a lot 
> of sticker shock when you get a new frame from the LBS.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Liesl >wrote:
>
>> I do, though, use my Gransfors-Bruk Mini Hatchet.  ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[David Craig]

It's tough to fit a bike. Really, it's much tougher than I think it seems 
to many of us. It's way tougher than selling shoes and even that isn't 
straightforward. Can we give well-intentioned shop owners, manufacturers 
and bike shop kids the benefit of the doubt? That doesn't mean we should 
blindly accept their views as truth. Caveat emptor.

Regarding the challenges of bike fitting:

First, there are the assumptions and values that go along with any fit 
"system" - including Grant's. There's the problem that there somehow needs 
to be any system and that we somehow feel better if we've been sized by a 
system rather than trusting ourselves. As Ron points out, science sells. 
Why do we need science to tell us a bike fits? "Just ride," right? In a 
perfect world, we'd each have bodies that were perfectly proportioned, with 
no underlying injuries or anatomical quirks and any bike we'd buy would 
instantly adapt to us as we age, get fitter, decided to ride more or less, 
gain experience, or use the bike for different purposes. So, even a bike 
that's perfectly "fitted" and comfortable at the moment of purchase may not 
continue to be so after the glow of the purchase has faded or conditions 
change. It's funny that we'd expect anyone to fit a bike properly when 
proper fit is all about our own subjective feelings of comfort. The problem 
is exacerbated when the prospective rider hasn't really ridden since he or 
she was a kid. While I'll bet most of us on this list can no longer recall 
a time when virtually ANY bike would have felt uncomfortable, the beginner 
is completely dependent on someone else saying "this should work" so they 
discount their own misgivings. Or . . . contrary folks with their own minds 
that they are, they resist our well intentioned advice because what we're 
suggesting just doesn't *feel* right. Ever tried to convince a child that 
her or his seat height is wrong?

There's also the complication of dealing with what people believe they want 
and need. Folks look at a bike with fat tires, a stack o spacers, bars way 
up there, triple chainrings or even a perfectly good bike without lugs and 
think "that bike ain't for me." There are these individually defined 
aesthetics to consider and there's also the psychology of our own ego's. 
There are the influences we value over others or that we unconsciously 
accept. The issue isn't limited to bikes. I can't tell you how many folks 
I've met with outdoor gear that really isn't suited to who they are and 
what they actually do. Rather, they bought the gear (encouraged by a 
friend, a salesperson, an instructor, someone on a list like this . . .) to 
fit who they want to be. Nothing against instructors, salespeople, friends, 
etc., but we all also have our own biases and sometimes people ask us for 
our advice without accepting it as tentatively as they should. For our 
part, sometimes we speak our own truths a little too confidently. In the 
end, folks end up with too-tippy beautiful kayaks that the expert said 
they'd "grow into" or overly complex stoves that use multiple fuel types 
for imaginary expeditions, or steel bikes that can be repaired by a guy 
with a turban and a torch . . . just in case. Gosh, there are people in 
Walnut Creek buying "the best axes in the world" who have never used any 
axe and will probably never use the axe they buy from RBW. Manufacturers 
and retailers stay in business by selling a substantial amount of stuff 
that people don't actually *need, *that actually doesn't fit and that they 
really can't afford. Advertisers discovered long ago that most of us are 
immature enough to think that our possessions define who we are.

We are funny and fickle creatures and I can't imagine trying to make a 
living catering to our likes as a manufacturer or retailer. Although their 
actions irritate me constantly, I'm willing to cut folks in the bike 
business some slack because they wouldn't do what they do if it caused them 
to go out of business - somebody buys the stuff - more do than don't. They 
are trying to stay in business by building and selling what actually sells. 

I'm truly glad that Ian was able to positively influence the purchase of 
his friend's bike. Perhaps his friend will continue to ride his new bike 
and it will continue to fit. 

DC



On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:46:03 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> in a perfect world, we'd all have custom-made frames with top tubes and 
> seat tubes made just for us.  Most of us can't.  My buddy and I are both 
> 6'3", but my legs are 5" longer than his, and his torso is 5" longer than 
> mine.  He rides a 59cm and needs a long top tube, I ride a 64cm and need a 
> short top tube.  So you get close and dial it in with seat and stem.  It 
> really isn't rocket science.  The Snow Job is what marketers call using 
> science to sell - it's a strategy you see prevalent in competitive markets. 
>  Bicycling happens to be the single largest sports entertainment market on 

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

John,

Sure seems like these racks ought to be sold with the Nitto hardware for 
RBW bikes doesn't it? The Tubus attachments worked equally well. Like 
Christopher, I just wasn't impressed with the Nitto Big Rack mounted using 
p-clamps. Your solution is much more a appropriate for a $200 rack.

Dave

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:04:35 AM UTC-7, John Philip wrote:
>
> I used Nitto hardware on my Bombadil as well and it worked out fine... 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/8477467738/ 
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:25:09 AM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly. 
>>
>> But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6 
>> bits from the mark's rack I just removed? 
>>
>> And, thus... 
>> On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, "David Craig"  wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

Perfect. That's exactly what happened in my case! Happy riding.

DC

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:29:26 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I assume you tried using the tubus 
> hardware you had lying around, and I used the nitto hardware I had lying 
> around. :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM, David Craig 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> So . . . you are saying that the pictured solution worked, right? Looks, 
>> and probably works, like it should without kludgey looking p-clamps. Nice!
>>
>> Is there some place on this forum to permanently post pictures so that 
>> these sorts of solutions aren't lost?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:25:09 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>>> So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly. 
>>>
>>> But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6 
>>> bits from the mark's rack I just removed? 
>>>
>>> And, thus... 
>>> On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, "David Craig"  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

So . . . you are saying that the pictured solution worked, right? Looks, 
and probably works, like it should without kludgey looking p-clamps. Nice!

Is there some place on this forum to permanently post pictures so that 
these sorts of solutions aren't lost?

Dave

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> So, I tried using the clamps. They're really squirrelly. 
>
> But I noticed the slots are too wide for a m4 screw. What about the m6 
> bits from the mark's rack I just removed? 
>
> And, thus... 
> On Jul 21, 2013 5:42 PM, "David Craig" > 
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> Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's
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[RBW] Re: It's still possible to order a 64 cm Atlantis

[David Craig]

It would be a single tt in 64 cm. I didn't ask, but I'd bet the 66 would be as 
well. I'd think that it could be ordered as a dbl tt since it seemed that I 
could request changes that didn't affect the geometry (for additional cost). 
That would be a good question to ask Keven. The point of my inquiry was to 
determine if the Atlantis could still be ordered without going custom since 
custom Riv's are much more expensive.

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[RBW] FS: 65 cm Single Top Tube Hilsen Frame

[David Craig]

Group

I'm continuing the painful process of culling down my bike herd. Due to the 
nature of my circumstances, I'm striving to get down to one or two bikes. 
I've already sold off my Bombadil and Quickbeam (Thanks, Chris and Keegan!) 
The next to go is my Hilsen.

The 3 year old frame is in excellent condition. It has never been crashed, 
there are no dents and very few minor scratches. I have ridden it quite a 
lot but I've kept it in great shape. I'll be disassembling the bike for 
sale since I'd like to be able to ride it right up until it sells. 

The price for the frame/fork and headset will also include the silver side 
pull brakes - all for $1500 not including shipping. 

Pictures of the complete bike: http://tinyurl.com/lu2v9or Again, my asking 
price just includes the f/f/hs and brakes. I would consider selling the 
complete bike for the right price, although I'd prefer not to ship the 
complete bike. I could deliver in CA, OR or WA in the next two weeks. 

This is one of the last of the single tt Hilsens. FWIW, I weigh 210 and 
I've found the frame to be perfectly stiff enough for my needs.

I've also got a complete 64cm Soma Smoothie ES that I'm selling for $500 - 
It's kinda like a poor man's Rambouillet. This bike is also in really good 
shape. More details if requested. I'd prefer not to ship this bike. (I'm 
located in Arizona and I could deliver it in CA, Oregon or Washington as 
I'm headed that way on vacation in a couple of weeks)

Please contact me via PM (off list).

Thanks,

Dave

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[RBW] It's still possible to order a 64 cm Atlantis

[David Craig]

Hey Group:

Great news for tall folks. 

I've been corresponding with Keven at RBW about ordering a 64cm Atlantis frame. 
Although the Atlantis info on the RBW website makes it appear that the 64cm 
frame is no longer available (e.g., even the geometry info isn't listed), 64's 
are still made. For anyone who might be interested, RBW offers the 64cm 
Atlantis on a built by order basis. According to Keven, the current wait from 
order to shipping is about 5-6 months. The frames are made by Waterford with 
essentially the same geometry as listed on Cyclofiend's website: 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html. Keven told me that the chainstay 
is now 1.5 cm longer and that current bikes don't sport the rear cantibrake 
bridge braze on. The rest of the geometry is unchanged and do include the 
kickstand plate and the fork brazeons for a mini rack.

As with the current frames, Riv requires a deposit of approx half the frame 
cost up front with the balance when the frame ships. Current Atlantis frames 
are $2300. Because they are built to order, small changes can be accommodated. 
For example, I plan on having mid fork brazeons added to better accommodate my 
Tubus lowrider rack. Changes to the paint are also possible for 350.00

I'm happy to discuss any questions about the Atlantis from the prospective of a 
previous owner as well as how it compares to the Bombadil and Hilsens in the 
same sizes. I've owned each of these bikes and I've done long tours on both the 
Bomba and the Atlantis. Obviously, Keven or one of the other Riv folks would be 
the best contact regarding ordering, etc.

Lastly, if there are any tall folks out there who might be interested in a good 
deal on a 65cm, single tt Hilsen, see my sale posting  on the group. The frame 
is in excellent shape!

Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

Wonderful. I'm glad. let me know if you have any other q's

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[RBW] Atlantis build help

[David Craig]

Should add that sometimes you have to reverse the b -screw to get enough 
adjustment for a 36t cog.

http://sheldonbrown.com/deakins/lowgears.html

You can also buy a longer b screw.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis build help

[David Craig]

Is the B screw pulling the derailleur back far enough so that it clears the 
largest cog?

Are you trying to shift into the largest cog on the rear while you're on the 
largest front chain ring?

Is your chain long enough?

Did you make sure that the shifter lever was bottomed out when you attached the 
rear derailleur cable?

Check the derailleur cable tension. Is it too loose when the spring tension on 
the rear derailleur is fully relaxed?

There are at least a few other reasons . . .

Feel free to PM

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

Hey, Christopher:

I was going through some old touring photos today and found some shots of 
how I adapted the Nitto Front to my Bombadil. I forgot I had even come up 
with this solution as I ended up using a tubus lowrider on the Bomba that 
summer. The rear rack was a black Tubus, so I succumbed to "rack matching." 
I do recall that the rack was solid and, in contrast to p-clamps, it looked 
like it was made to mounted this way. 

http://tinyurl.com/m8v2e6t

You'll need the Tubus parts:

http://tinyurl.com/lq57lt3

and 

http://tinyurl.com/ny3g6q5

You'll note that I did the mounting on the inside of the fork braze on. You 
might be able to make it work on the outside with one of the offset tubus 
round bars. You only need a short length of rod.

If I was to mount a Nitto Big Rack on a Riv, I would certainly do it this 
way again!

Dave

On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22:16 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been looking for pictures of a Hilsen with the large front rack (see, 
> there's this sale going on), and I wonder how it all comes together. Can I 
> use the upper eyelets on the fork, or will I be forced to use the clamps? 
> How does it work with the SKS longboard mounting hardware? Etc, etc.
>
> Any tips?
>
> cc
>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

Christopher

I mounted a Nitto Front on an Atlantis without any eyelet braze-ons and 
used it for touring a couple of seasons. I used the p-clamps and mounted 
the fender to the rack using some spacers. It worked out fine. You'll 
likely need to use the clamps on the Hilsen since, as I recall the braze on 
eyelets aren't in the right place. You could try these:* *
*
*
http://tinyurl.com/k4k8rgh* *"Tubus mid-fork eyelets."
*
*
They look good and are stable attachments, but they might be too far back 
to hook the rack to. I recall that the rack mount slot doesn't quite match 
up with the fork and still allow a level rack top. I think an overall 
better solution for the Hilsen - sale be damned - is a Mark's rack paired 
with a Tubus Nova rack. It's a practical approach that works great on my 
Long Haul Trucker, although I actually use a Tubus Duo for the lower rack. 
Most of the time, I just use my rear rack and the small front. I really 
like the looks of the Nitto large, but I never liked the unnecessary bulk. 
In my opinion, the small rack and the tubus are much more stable under load.

Dave

On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22:16 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been looking for pictures of a Hilsen with the large front rack (see, 
> there's this sale going on), and I wonder how it all comes together. Can I 
> use the upper eyelets on the fork, or will I be forced to use the clamps? 
> How does it work with the SKS longboard mounting hardware? Etc, etc.
>
> Any tips?
>
> cc
>
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>

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[RBW] Re: Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[David Craig]

My wife and I rode the Washington and Oregon Sierra Cascades Route a few 
years ago. It rained a couple of times. We could have easily avoided riding 
in the rain by cowering in a restaurant or by staying in camp. Every year 
is different in the mountains. There are climatic standards, but year to 
year it could be wet or dry. Whether you use fenders or not ultimately 
depends on how much you care to tolerate picking little bits of gravel out 
of your hair.

Could I offer some unsolicited advice? If not STOP READING HERE. : )

I can't imagine touring on 55 BB's. To each his own. I much prefer 50 
Schwalbe Marathon Supremes; They're much lighter than BB's and they work 
just fine for the Sierra Cascades Route - even on the optional dirt 
sections. Also, if you're riding a Riv with 700c's you might find as I did 
that larger tires don't fit well in public trans bike racks or in Amtrak 
boxes. On some tours, we've made use of public trans buses that run between 
coast towns and in larger cities. We've found this approach to work great 
when we'd prefer not to ride in traffic or when one of us is ill or injured 
and we'd still like to make some miles. I once spent a bus ride really 
sketched out with my Bombadil precariously bungeed to the front of a 
coastal bus. Traveling is so easy with the Amtrak boxes that require 
minimal disassembly that we've used that mode of travel many times. I've 
since switched to a 26r Long Haul Trucker so that I can run big tires and 
have a slightly more compact bike for public transport. Using public 
transportation might not be in your plan, but it's a nice option that is 
facilitated by smaller diameter tires. FYI, my Atlantis fit just fine in 
racks and boxes with 37 and 40 mm tires.

If you haven't already considered it, don't bother packing a full sized 
spare for the big tires you are running; it takes up space unnecessarily 
for Stateside touring. In thousands of miles of touring in the US, I've 
only destroyed a couple of tires unexpectedly. Every other tire problem 
gave me plenty of notice. However, large, 700c Schwalbes are far from 
common in LBS's. So, do buy a full-sized spare (I've found that Schwalbe is 
often out of stock on some tires.) Leave it at home packaged and ready to 
go with someone reliable. In these days of 2 day and overnight shipping, 
you can easily have a tire sent to a bike shop or PO. When I was touring on 
700 c's y wife and I packed just one spare between us - a 32 or 35 mm 
Pasela to fit her Heron and my Riv. We never needed to use it in a total of 
6 to 8 months of touring. If I had damaged a tire, I simply would of run 
the small tire on the front and the large tire on the rear until I could 
get a replacement.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Bombadil

[David Craig]

The Bombadil has been sold. 

I really appreciate the privilege of buying and selling items within this 
group. Everyone I've interacted with in every sale has conducted themselves 
with integrity. It's wonderful to sell a bike to someone who REALLY gets 
excited about their purchase and who I might continue to have contact with 
through this group. Now that I've got my Google Group issues sorted out, 
I'll try to be a little more present on this forum. It is one of my 
favorites!

Dave

On Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:31:44 PM UTC-7, David Craig wrote:
>
> Hi, Group
>
> It has been a while since I last posted. It's been challenging for me to 
> stay involved with this group because I had to change my account and add 
> another gmail log in when our college went to a google account . . . I'm 
> still sorting it all out almost two years later!
>
> Due to some life changes, I'm downsizing my possessions and refocusing my 
> life on some other priorities. I've got several bikes that have to go. The 
> first is my 60 cm Bombadil. I'm offering it up here first because I've had 
> pleasant experiences buying and selling from RBW group members. If there 
> isn't any immediate interest from the group, I'll submit a listing to eBay 
> in the next week. I'd prefer to sell the bike to someone who lives in the 
> western US in order to facilitate a delivery or pick-up as I'd rather not 
> have to pack the bike for shipping. If it's necessary to ship, I'll need to 
> add the cost of shipping to the purchase price. The particulars on the bike 
> are below. Please PM with any questions or to arrange a purchase.
>
> PHOTOS at 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/sets/72157634391981769/
>
> Note that some of the Flickr photos show the bike in touring mode. Packs, 
> racks, fenders, etc are NOT included in this sale. I just thought it might 
> be useful for potential buyers to see the bike set up as a tourer. The 
> Bombadil makes a great touring bike for a big guy.
>
> 60 cm Rivendell Bombadil – Black (Parallel Top Tubes and Kickstand Plate) 
> *$1500.00*
>
> Original owner. Purchased new from RBW 12/2008.
>
> No major scratches. No dents. Paint wear consistent with a used bike. Some 
> scratches on right chainstay due to chain derailment in past. I’ve used 
> this bike on tours, as a mountain bike on trails and fire roads and for 
> commuting. Overall, everything works and the bike is in great shape. 
>
> Saddle - Black B-17 
>
> Seatpost – Nitto 83
>
> Handlebars – Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drops 26.0/48cm
>
> Stem – Nitto Dirt Drop 26.0/80mm
>
> Headset – Chris King
>
> Cranks – TA Carmina Triple Square Taper 22/34/46 180mm (steel small ring)
>
> Bottom Bracket – Phil Wood 113mm
>
> Front Derailleur – Shimano XTR 28.6 Old style (excellent condition)
>
> Rear Derailleur – Shimano XT
>
> Cassette – Harris Cyclery Special 8 speed with 34t low
>
> Shifters – Shimano 8spd Bar End
>
> Brakes – Avid Single 7 Linear Pull Front and Rear
>
> Brake Levers – Tektro V brake drop bar levers
>
> Wheels – Salsa Delgado X 36h 700c
>
> Hubs – Shimano 36h XT
>
> Tires – Schwalbe Marathon XR (Plenty of Tread)
>
> N-Gear Chain Stop
>
>
> FYI - My PBH is about 94 cm and I ride with about a 82 cm seat height.
>
>
> Dave
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm Bombadil

[David Craig]

Hey, James.

You know, I don't really recall where I was exactly for that shot. On that 
tour, we were traveling on the Pacific Coast Bicycle Route from Seattle to 
San Luis Obispo - A great ride!! Somewhere along the way, I think a paved 
bicycle path ended in a dirt trail and we just decided to follow it. An 
hour later, I was a lot happier on the Bombadil with Marathon Supreme 50's 
than my wife was with her Heron and 32mm tires. That's happened enough 
times in several years of touring that I'm completely sold on 50mm tires 
for touring. 

Dave



On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:49:21 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> P.S. I ask on-list because your Flickr shots are really nice, mainly the 
> coastal one. I'm wondering if that trail is near me anywhere. I want to get 
> my bike out there.
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:40 AM, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Where are you located?
>
> -Jim
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Desert Mariner wrote:
>
> Hi, Group
>
> It has been a while since I last posted. It's been challenging for me to 
> stay involved with this group because I had to change my account and add 
> another gmail log in when our college went to a google account . . . I'm 
> still sorting it all out almost two years later!
>
> Due to some life changes, I'm downsizing my possessions and refocusing my 
> life on some other priorities. I've got several bikes that have to go. The 
> first is my 60 cm Bombadil. I'm offering it up here first because I've had 
> pleasant experiences buying and selling from RBW group members. If there 
> isn't any immediate interest from the group, I'll submit a listing to eBay 
> in the next week. I'd prefer to sell the bike to someone who lives in the 
> western US in order to facilitate a delivery or pick-up as I'd rather not 
> have to pack the bike for shipping. If it's necessary to ship, I'll need to 
> add the cost of shipping to the purchase price. The particulars on the bike 
> are below. Please PM with any questions or to arrange a purchase.
>
> PHOTOS at 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/sets/72157634391981769/
>
> Note that some of the Flickr photos show the bike in touring mode. Packs, 
> racks, fenders, etc are NOT included in this sale. I just thought it might 
> be useful for potential buyers to see the bike set up as a tourer. The 
> Bombadil makes a great touring bike for a big guy.
>
> 60 cm Rivendell Bombadil – Black (Parallel Top Tubes and Kickstand Plate) 
> *$1500.00*
>
> Original owner. Purchased new from RBW 12/2008.
>
> No major scratches. No dents. Paint wear consistent with a used bike. Some 
> scratches on right chainstay due to chain derailment in past. I’ve used 
> this bike on tours, as a mountain bike on trails and fire roads and for 
> commuting. Overall, everything works and the bike is in great shape. 
>
> Saddle - Black B-17 
>
> Seatpost – Nitto 83
>
> Handlebars – Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drops 26.0/48cm
>
> Stem – Nitto Dirt Drop 26.0/80mm
>
> Headset – Chris King
>
> Cranks – TA Carmina Triple Square Taper 22/34/46 180mm (steel small ring)
>
> Bottom Bracket – Phil Wood 113mm
>
> Front Derailleur – Shimano XTR 28.6 Old style (excellent condition)
>
> Rear Derailleur – Shimano XT
>
> Cassette – Harris Cyclery Special 8 speed with 34t low
>
> Shifters – Shimano 8spd Bar End
>
> Brakes – Avid Single 7 Linear Pull Front and Rear
>
> Brake Levers – Tektro V brake drop bar levers
>
> Wheels – Salsa Delgado X 36h 700c
>
> Hubs – Shimano 36h XT
>
> Tires – Schwalbe Marathon XR (Plenty of Tread)
>
> N-Gear Chain Stop
>
>
> FYI - My PBH is about 94 cm and I ride with about a 82 cm seat height.
>
>
> Dave
>
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> - 700x55
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