[RBW] Re: FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[David Person]

mages can only be viewed by creating a Paceline account.   May have better 
luck if you post pics on this thread.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
> Recessed nut.
>
> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>
> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>
> Photos are easiest to find here. 
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>
> Thanks!
> Ben Adrian
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[David Person]

Images can only be viewed by creatine a Paceline account.   May have better 
luck if you post pics on this thread.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
> Recessed nut.
>
> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>
> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>
> Photos are easiest to find here. 
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>
> Thanks!
> Ben Adrian
>

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[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

[David Person]

Cool!

On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
> details. I’m so happy for her! 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>> so. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>
>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

Unfortunately, I'll have to pass.  More climbing than I'm in shape for at 
this time.

David/Thousand Oaks/2015 Hillborne

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:14:15 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Great! Looking for to it. Looks like a perfect 71 degree day is in store 
> for us. The 9am start seems like a good balance. Early enough but not too 
> early. Admittedly the starting point is only a 30 min ride from my place.
>
> Brian/Glendale/2015 Hillborne
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our LA 
>> Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. Originally, 
>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>
>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>
>> When: 9 AM 
>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, Los 
>> Angeles, CA 90027
>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>
>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>>>>>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>> specifics 
>>>>>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>>>>>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>>>>>> from 
>>>>>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>>>>>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted 
>>>>>>> rep the set.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 2022 
>>>>>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>>>>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at 
>>>>>>> the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is 
>>>>>>> really 
>>>>>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>>>>>>>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>>>>>>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
>>>>>>>> there 
>>>>>>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @bryce -- Yep, th

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy info request

[David Person]

Doing a search on this site shows the first threads on the Betty Foy at the 
end of 2008 with pictures on the Riv website mentioned in Dec 2008 along 
with mentions of test rides.  Yes, all Taiwan made.  Timing looks to be 
same as the Sam Hillborne.

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/bQZkKv_yoUI/m/B9QC-TmhQSoJ

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:23:41 AM UTC-7 womba...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009 was 
> the first year?
>
> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>
> Thanks! Ann
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

I've marked my calendar.

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:

> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi y'all,
>>
>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 27th 
>> has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust specifics 
>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across from 
>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>
>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>
>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted rep 
>>> the set.
>>>
>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles Invitational 
>>> (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>> . John Prolly's write 2022 
>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>> 
>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at the 
>>> swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is really 
>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
 meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
 Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since there 
 are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.

 @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great 
 location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and happened upon 
 the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the family in 
 the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the handlebar 
 setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno frames come out.

 On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>
> David 
> Black & Tan Sam
> Thousand Oaks
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely 
>> make the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>>
>> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your 
>> parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a 
>> coincidence!
>>
>> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
>> payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
>>> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th

 k.

 On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham <
 thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
 schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
 being the best date for all parties involved.


 Brian 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  
 wrote:

 Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!

 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*

 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so 
 Griffith seems like the best option. 

 Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very 
 chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone 
 wants to 
 ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 

 So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista 
 del Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with 
 ~1000 ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if 
 anyone has route suggestions/food spots to hit up 
 before/after...please 
 share haha! *

 On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:

> Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!
>
> Bryan Edgar 
> Valley Village
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 

David 
Black & Tan Sam
Thousand Oaks

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely make 
> the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>
> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your parked 
> orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a coincidence!
>
> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
> payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
>> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
>>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!
>>>
>>> 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*
>>>
>>> 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so 
>>> Griffith seems like the best option. 
>>>
>>> Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very 
>>> chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to 
>>> ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 
>>>
>>> So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del 
>>> Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 
>>> ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has 
>>> route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! *
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:
>>>
 Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!

 Bryan Edgar 
 Valley Village

 On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Count me in. 
>
> I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't 
> browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I 
> wanted 
> to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 
> Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up 
> with 
> some other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look 
> drastically 
> different.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>> I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would 
>> love to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done 
>> around my availability.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
>>> Has he seen this yet?
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:

 Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool 
 to do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's 
 or a 
 Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace 
 with 
 a cafe stop or two thrown in. 

 I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my 
 LA daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread 
 with 
 interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
 Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of 
 climbing! 
 But it's beautiful and fun.

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 

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[RBW] Re: Single-Bolt Stem Spreading Options

[David Person]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002INOFSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Powerbuilt Internal Snap Ring Pliers

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-8 MTR wrote:

> Throw some masking tape over a flat head or whatever you use to spread the 
> stem to prevent scratches. I didn’t find the towel rack bars tight to get 
> on a nitto dirt drop stem, but your experience may vary. 
>
> Best, 
> Morgan 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 5:27:37 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've got some towel rack drop bars on the way to me that will be going on 
>> my newly acquired AHH. I was planning on picking up one of the tools nitto 
>> makes specifically for spreading single-bolt stems but Crust was out of 
>> stock. I've installed plenty of bars using the ole flat head method, which 
>> always works, but i usually end up with a scratch or two. Anybody got any 
>> good alternative methods I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Brian
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

[David Person]

I am unfamiliar with this publication and don't mean to hijack your post, 
but when I took up wheel building two years ago I purchased a copy of Roger 
Munson's "Professional Guide to Wheel Building" and it was the best $12 
I've ever spent.  The book is so well written and laid out that it gave me 
confidence that I could successfully build a set of wheels.  I've since 
built 7 pairs.  The book is not only a great resource, I found it an 
enjoyable read.  I've got copies of other books on wheel building, 
including the classic "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt.  None 'spoke' to 
me like the Munson book (yeah, pun intended).  I can't speak highly enough 
about it.  I've go no financial ties to Roger or his book, I'm just not 
sure I would have take the plunge into wheel building had I not read it.

https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php



On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> Oooo. I'd sure like same!
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:43 PM, Slin
>  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was just chatting with Rich Lesnik and he recommended a wheel building 
> book/pamphlet from the Missing Link (sad hearing that shop is closing, btw).
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or know if there are 
> scans of it somewhere.
>
> Thanks!
> Slin
>
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[RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

[David Person]

Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> [image: Riv Badge Poster small 120122.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>
>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and 
>>center and larger than life.
>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>blue.  
>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>sold yet. 
>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. 
>>Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>
>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues 
>> to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>
>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>> throughout the year!
>>
>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>> 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: front deraileur dilemma

[David Person]

I have a 44/28 setup on my Hillborne with a Shimano 105 (FD-5700) front 
derailleur.  I can't set it at the recommended height (1-3mm clearance 
above large chainring) due to the rear of the cage hitting the chainstay. 
 It shifts fine without dropping the chain off the large chainring.  In 
fact, I watched a Park Tool video on proper set up of a front derailleur 
and they state that if the gap between the ft derailleur and large 
chainring is more than recommended it can cause the chain to be dropped 
outboard.  Interesting, when I set up my Disc Trucker with a 42/28 and CX70 
front derailleur, I was able to set the hight as recommended and it caused 
problems with the chan being dropped outboard.  When I raised the 
derailleur to create a larger gap to the chainring, it shift perfectly.


On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-8 Bill Schairer wrote:

> Steven,
>
> I am using a Silver crank in conjunction with a Mountain Tamer (
> https://abundantadventures.com/mt_triple.html), which can be used with 
> any crank without modification with a 74bcd that requires chainring 
> spacers.  I have used this set-up on two different tours (about 400 miles 
> on GDMBR, 2800 miles riding to Alaska) without any issues at all, which I 
> mention as evidence of real world practicality/reliability.  I don't know, 
> availability may be an issue?
>
> For kicks, I did experiment briefly with the Mountain Tamer in quad mode.  
> It did work but I abandoned that set-up as too fiddly (as I recall, I had 
> to modify a Silver bar-end shifter and the cage of a Suntour Cyclone 
> derailleur to just barely be able to shift all 4 rings) and it was 
> confusing. Now, as I write this, having a 26t between the 34 and 19 on the 
> last tour almost makes me think the quad might have been worth it?  The 
> 34/19 shift always worked both ways but I didn't really like the jump. Then 
> again, I really did need that 19/36 combo, not just once or twice.  Around 
> town, as a quad it was total overkill.
>
> I'm one who loves playing with my gearing and hates experimenting with 
> handlebars.
>
> Bill S 
> San Diego
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:18:23 AM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Bill what crank are you using that allows a 19 T and who makes the 19 T.  
>> Thanks, Steve 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:58 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand the "so any older derailers won't work" 
>>> comment.  My 2014 Atlantis with a Suntour Vx (from the 70's?) front 
>>> derailleur shifts a 42/34/19 flawlessly.  I do use a chain catcher to 
>>> prevent dropping the chain going to the 19.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:01:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Two teeth smaller shouldn't require a repositioning of the mech you 
 were using. Did you have a problem with it? 

 On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:50:52 PM UTC-8 chrisd wrote:

> Decided to switch to a 42 big ring from a 44 on a Ritchey Logic triple 
> CS (44/34/26) on my Rambouillet and tried a Skeleton Key FD but can't 
> shift 
> to the granny. My old shimano FD tail barely cleared the chainstay with 
> the 
> 44 so any older derailers won't work. Riv says the Skeleton works on 
> triples but it's probably something to do with geo on the current 
> models.Need a short cage FD. Thought of a mountain FD.  My brifters are 
> old 
> Campy so don't have to worry about indexing. Any suggestions?


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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[David Person]

Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing Riv 
stories with my nurse.


On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:

> As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
>
> No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed 
> it.
>
> Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>> almost time.
>> Richard
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[RBW] Re: Zero-rise Albatross Bar?

[David Person]

It this. The only issue I have with it is they fold each piece in half for 
packaging and shipping and the foam never returns to normal where it was 
folded.  Thankfully, I don't use one continuous piece on each side of the 
bar, but cut smaller sections that avoid the fold.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PMCV6MR?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:53:15 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:

> That grip job looks oh-so-comfy :-P
>
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:18:32 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What I like about mounting the Choco bars reversed is it puts my wrists 
>> in a more neutral position when gripped where I ride most often, over or 
>> just ahead of the brake levers.
>>
>> [image: DSCF0067 copy.jpeg][image: DSCF0068 copy.jpeg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kieran, I switched from Albatross to Choco.  Love the Choco bars, much 
>>> more room for your hands and you can reverse them so they go slightly down 
>>> vs. up.  It is a very mild rise.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 2:04:02 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:
>>>
 Honestly, I think the Choco bars are the closest thing out there. Not 
 much else comes close.

 KJ


 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:45:56 AM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
 NY wrote:

> Soma Three Speed bar #2 is fantastic, and while not flat, it’s pretty 
> low profile.
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:45:41 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a handlebar that's very much like the Alba bars but 
>> flat/no rise. Essentially an Alba-size porteur. 
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions? The Choco bars are close but not quite 
>> flat. 
>>
>> KJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[David Person]

Eric Marth posted a really nice video of the SR mixte he rebuilt for his 
partner.  Converted the original 27" wheelset to 700c. Came out 
beautifully.  A good reminder of the utility of older bikes, if they were 
well cared for.

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/bBIzsD73S3M


On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:48:17 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Those were the early Bettys. The later Bettys came in different sizes. 
> Mine is a 60:
> [image: RIV.JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 6:07:05 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Here's the orignal geo for the Foy. Rivendell never posted any 
>> stack/reach info for the Betty. If your wife likes the Betty, stick with 
>> that.  I can see why as the paint job is awesome. There's nothing worse 
>> than asking for cookies and someone offers you saltines. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:31:22 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> The World Sport used 1020 stays.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:27:06 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Matt

 Have you considered a 1986 to 1990 Schwinn World Sport or 1986/87 
 Traveler Step Thrus or a 1984 to 1987 Schwinn LeTour Step Thru??  The Step 
 thru looks like a Betty but without the extra set of stays behind the 
 TT/ST 
 lug, scan of 1985 Schwinn catalog of a World Sport step thru

 Schwinn catalogs, 1981 - 1990 (266 of 456) (waterfordbikes.com) 
 

 Both use 4130 double Butted TT/DT (lugged) and a 1020 tubular fork & 
 have 27" alloy rims.   The LeTours used 4130 stays.  Craiglist is a good 
 source with prices in the $125 to $250 range.   Common size frame size is 
 19" C-T (48cm) with some 21" frames.   A 19" should fit her 5'4".   
 Schwinn 
 gave 26# for the LeTour and 27# for the World Sport.   Panaracer still has 
 the Pasela in a 27" tire.

 She may appreciate the lower cost.

 The World model is a 1020 LUGGED frame and weighs about 28# which is 
 not bad and have 27" alloy rims in 1985 and after.   There tend to be more 
 World's vs World Sport/Traveler simply because they cost less

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-4 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically 
> likes a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not 
> really in to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting 
> and 
> trail rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>
> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone 
> have old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and 
> searched, but been coming up empty.
>
> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in STL
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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[David Person]

Nice build (and video), Eric.

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 8:11:26 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Paul! I do enjoy having a bit of organization going on, it works 
> in my favor. I am getting to the point where I need to think about some 
> further infrastructure and potentially building out some more wall space 
> for shelving and storage. 
>
> Your Nishiki sounds fun. I'm glad I didn't run into any sizing problems 
> with this project, there were enough problems of other kinds to contend 
> with. 
>
> Mel does enjoy the bike, it's a nice change from the Trek Pure 3-speed she 
> had before which was just fine but a little hefty, a little difficult to 
> push up hills and maneuver in general. 
>
> Jim — I appreciate it! Thanks for watchin' 
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:21:18 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> That was such a great, calming video, fantastic build, beautiful bike. 
>> Thanks Eric. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 8:10:00 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Last fall my partner inherited an old bike. It's an SR frame that her 
>>> dad purchased for her mom brand new in San Diego in 1987. It was 
>>> over-geared, set up with narrow tires on 27" wheels and needed a few more 
>>> changes to make it more comfortable and practical. I set out for nice wide 
>>> gearing, bars with more sweep back and maxing out the clearance for plump 
>>> 38mm tires. 
>>>
>>> The build video is up here , detailing 
>>> all of the changes along the way. 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> [image: SR1.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR5.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR7.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[David Person]

It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
out in mere hours. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
> during the pandemic.
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
>> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given 
>>> up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the 
>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>
>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
>>> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
>>> have evened out by now. 
>>>
>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Tire shipping advice

[David Person]

Plus 1 on the Pirateship.com recommendation.  Used to ship via USPS.com but 
Pirateship.com gives the best price between USPS and UPS.  Also, you can 
ship via 1st Class mail if the package is light enough. USPS.com only 
allowed Priority, so you can save a lot on light stuff.

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:31:02 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also check out www.pirateship.com, free to make an account and can save a 
> lot in shipping costs!
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:38:17 AM UTC-7 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the wonderful advice, this will help tremendously. 
>> Nick, when you say wrapped, you really meant it, that tyre looks like it's 
>> for a Brompton it's so small! Now I'm confident that I can ship these 
>> without damage or an exorbitant shipping fee.
>> Ezri
>>
>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 1:24:08 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo7RJqaUdhg. I used to fold wire 
>>> bead touring tyres like this and then wrap them in duct tape to keep them 
>>> folded and protected while being carried on tours until needed. I've 
>>> carried such tyres around for years before needing to use them, and always 
>>> found them in pristine condition when I finally unwrapped them for use. 
>>> Here's one being carried on the outside of my panniers during a 
>>> transcontinental tour across Australia in 1982:
>>> [image: Scan-110420-0053.jpg]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Converting a T1000 into an Atlantis

[David Person]

Beautiful green paint.  Been having fun looking through your Flickr 
albums.  Bikes and Leica's, whats not to love.

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:38:20 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Mackenzy, 
>
> I have this same soft spot, especially for the old T1000 and 700. This one 
> is amazing! 
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:24:46 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> Wow! I have a soft spot for old Cannondales. Generally they seem to be 
>> "sported out" aesthetically which isn't my thing. I am amazed at how slick 
>> and classy it looks built up rivendell-esque. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:48:48 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I could never keep the paint on any of my bikes that immaculate! My new 
>>> Roadini already has a paint chipped off the headtube (dunno how!). My 
>>> Co-Motion Periscope Trident @ 12,000 miles has so many patched paint areas 
>>> that there's no spot that hasn't been patched up. It's all beausage but I'm 
>>> guessing if I break my Ti frame my replacement for it better be Stainless 
>>> steel or something else that doesn't need paint! Good thing I live in 
>>> California where it doesn't rain (and when it does I ride Ti or just live 
>>> with the idea that the triplet will rust sooner or later and it's not a 
>>> "forever bike" anyway --- the kids will eventually grow out of it!)
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>>
 Hi all.  

 S.  If you listen carefully you can hear my 1990s Cannondale 
 T1000 whisper, "I wish I were an Atlantis!"  How many parts you can spot 
 from the Riv catalog in this recent pic? 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52412267528

 Answers:

- Cockpit: Tallux stem, Albastache bars, Dia-Compe long-pull levers*
- Silver2 friction bar-end shifter (right)#
- Downtube friction shifter (left)#
- Jack Brown tires
- SKS 45mm fenders
- Brooks Flyer Special saddle
- Sugino XD2 24/36/46 triple crank (and IRD bottom bracket)
- Nitto 2-strut top rack + Wald 139 basket**
- Nitto Big Back Rack ("large"; 40-pound capacity!)
- Busch & Müller Secula battery light 
- King water bottle cages

 Only 5 original parts remain: generic linear-pull brakes, 105 headset, 
 XT & 105 derailleurs, RSX hubs,## and the CAAD2 Touring frameset.  Got 
 Motolites and a rapid rise in my sights, when the time comes.   And any 
 old 
 61cm Atlantis if the aluminum frame cracks. 

 Backstory: In the 1990s with time for extended self-supported tours, 
 but no dough for the dream bike (Atlantis), I scraped up enough for this 
 US-made Cannondale T1000.  Parts that wore out over the subsequent quarter 
 century were always replaced from the Riv catalog, slowly turning the 
 T1000 
 into an Atlantis.  

 I know this transformation is not unique, but wanted to share. 

 Cheers, 
 Will M 
 NYC

 * Many have written about Albastache bars working/not working for them 
 , but 
 after decades on drop bars, the Albastache for me is a revelation.  A 
 rebirth.  A dramatic improvement.  Thanks to Paul G on this list for 
 shifter cable routing advice. 

 # It was originally spec'ed with 105 STI 9-speed brifters.  Both 
 brifters failed catastrophically after only 10 years.

 ** Back in the aughts, Grant's writing in the* Reader* inspired 
 ditching the low-riders for the two-strut rack and 139 basket. 
  Self-supported touring with 20-30 pounds in low-rider-mounted panniers is 
 amazing, stable, motorcycle-like.  Putting 18 lbs (the max weight) up in 
 the basket is... well... I'll go back to low-riders for the next adventure 
 tour.  

 ## The original Mavic T221 touring rims self-destructed 
 
  
 with cracking between eyelets. Only hubs live on. 




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Re: [RBW] How to bond plastic knob to metal screw?

[David Person]

Epoxy


On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I spoke too soon. Overnight, the loctite cured and now I can turn it (with 
> a ton of effort, but it works!). Now I can build up my wheel.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:46 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> Have you lubricated the other items along the threaded rod to reduce the 
>> amount of torque required to rotated the rod? Boeshield would be good for 
>> that. Lubricate the shaft (except for the knob/locknut) and the tighten the 
>> locknut real good against the knob. If that doesn't work, the just keep a 
>> wrench handy to turn the locknut against the knob when wanting to rotate 
>> the shaft the opposite way from the knob.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:54:59 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Already tried red loctite. Doesn't work.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 5:34 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 I'd try something like red Loctite first. Easy to find, easy to apply. 

 If that doesn't work you might try looking for a more robust 
 replacement thread-on knob that has a set screw built in. Find our the 
 pitch of your metal thread and check out McMaster-Carr for "threaded hole 
 knobs." 

 On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:24:49 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I do have the locknut, but it doesn't help. It keeps the knob from 
> turning clockwise once it's snug against it, but counter-clockwise (the 
> unscrewing action) doesn't work.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:31 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> My first question then is "how was the knob attached to begin with 
>> from the factory ?" 
>> According to the photos, that style of knob was used on the TS-2, 
>> this is yours yes ? (Sorry I don't know your name as it was not included)
>>
>> So, ever inquisitive, whenever it comes to parts, I always refer to 
>> original parts documents. According the stock photos and parts pdf, 
>> *there 
>> should have been a locknut for the knob to begin with*.  
>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/doc/product/TS-2_instructions.pdf
>>
>> You may have a suitable nut on hand as Park likely uses common SAE 
>> threading. If not you could contact Park and maybe they'll send you one 
>> or 
>> just go to the local hardware store. 
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:02:48 PM UTC-4 Josiah Anderson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, rereading I see now that you're actually trying to get the new 
>>> knob to stay put. What if you used that same locknut idea, just with 
>>> one 
>>> nut pushing against the back of the knob? That would probably hold it 
>>> on 
>>> quite securely.
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 21:00, Josiah Anderson  
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 The goal is to remove that threaded rod, right? I would try to find 
 two nuts that fit on there and lock them together, like you would on a 
 hub 
 axle, and just use those to turn it. Alternatively you could wrap it 
 in 
 something soft (bar tape?) and turn it with vise grips or something. I 
 don't think the broken plastic knob necessarily has to be involved in 
 this 
 process, unless I'm missing something, which is very possible.

 Josiah
 Missoula, MT 

 Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 20:53, Piaw Na  a écrit :

> I broke the plastic knob on my truing stand (see attached photo). 
> I have a replacement knob from Park, but am discovering that just 
> threading 
> it on doesn't work --- when I need to turn the shaft 
> counter-clockwise it 
> comes off the shaft instead of turning it. I've already tried red and 
> blue 
> loctite and those don't work on metal/plastic interfaces. Should I 
> try 
> epoxy next?
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[RBW] Re: New Fork Paint Options!

[David Person]

Love the red.

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 1:37:21 PM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I vote for keeping the 2-tone. Get some panda pedals (
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pedals-mks-new-2018?variant=32047969697903) 
> and some Oveja Negra wack pack bags (
> https://www.ovejanegrabikepacking.com/collections/wack-pack-color-collection) 
> and just fully embrace the patchwork style.  :) Really glad you were easily 
> able to get a new fork for it though.
>
> Mike 
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:04:16 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> My Appaloosa has a new blue fork! I’m now considering the options:
>>
>>
>>1. Leave the fork as-is so the bike is two-tone
>>2. Repaint the fork to match the existing frame color
>>3. Repaint the fork and the bike: either metallic red to match my old 
>>Schwinn, or a blue-gray gunmetal
>>
>> If you’ve replaced a fork, what did you do? 
>>
>> I thought you might like to see how those options might look:
>>
>> Existing frame and fork:
>>
>> [image: bike_mustard_bluefork_small.jpg]
>>
>> Fork painted to match frame:
>>
>> [image: bike_existing_small.jpg]
>>
>> Schwinn red metallic:
>>
>> [image: bike_red_black_small.jpg]
>>
>> Blue-gray gunmetal:
>>
>> [image: bike_bluegray_honey.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[David Person]

With the Shimano's I find I often shift with the lever between my pinkie 
and ring finger.   Almost effortless and one of those things one does 
without thinking.


On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:14:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I can't comment on the Shimano comparison but I've used Silver1 and 2 as 
> bar-ends and liked that long blade better. The way you can drop your whole 
> hand and pull up on the ratcheting direction with your two rear fingers 
> (pinkie and the other one) can't be beat for friction shifting. 
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:07:00 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Adding to Ben's comments.  I've been running Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed bar 
>> ends on my bikes for awhile, in friction mode.  Recently wanted to see 
>> what, if any, difference Silver2 shifter would be.  So last week I 
>> purchased one Silver2 lever for the rear to try on one bike.  Yes, had to 
>> use my Dremel to shave off the little nub on the Shimano pod, which doesn't 
>> affect the ability to go back to using the Shimano shift lever.  After a 
>> few days of riding with the Silver2 lever the verdict is in and I've 
>> switched back to the Shimano lever.  Smoother operation and more 
>> comfortable ergonomics, in my opinion.
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I love this conversation and have learned alot from it.  I'm not the 
>>> only one to be bothered w/cable routing, etc.  There is no perfect solution 
>>> - long cables, impaired shifting, down tube or stem shifters...  I have bar 
>>> ends (friction) on albatross bars and long cables which sometimes get in 
>>> the way of closing my front
>>>
>>>  bag.  [image: fanny.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:57:10 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
 square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each 
 and 
 I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.

 Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
 I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube 
 where I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with 
 MAYBE 
 a bit of bonus friction from the housing. 

 Cheers!
 Ben

 On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the 
> indexing shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it 
> impossible to install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. 
> It 
> is easily removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe 
> friction shifters to be installed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 
> bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> More shifter nerd talk!
>>  
>> Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this 
>> morning and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, 
>> here's the deal.
>>
>> Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg
>>
>> There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square 
>> area where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over 
>> it. 
>> The standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is 
>> because their silver pods do not have this half-circle.
>>
>> The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
>> pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
>> don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that 
>> half-circle 
>> off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano 
>> performance 
>> in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 
>>
>> For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go 
>> crazy ;)
>>
>> Ben
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
>>> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise 
>>> feeling.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
>>> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters 
>>> and 
>>> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
>>> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, 
>>> and 
>>> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT 
>>> boss 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[David Person]

Adding to Ben's comments.  I've been running Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed bar 
ends on my bikes for awhile, in friction mode.  Recently wanted to see 
what, if any, difference Silver2 shifter would be.  So last week I 
purchased one Silver2 lever for the rear to try on one bike.  Yes, had to 
use my Dremel to shave off the little nub on the Shimano pod, which doesn't 
affect the ability to go back to using the Shimano shift lever.  After a 
few days of riding with the Silver2 lever the verdict is in and I've 
switched back to the Shimano lever.  Smoother operation and more 
comfortable ergonomics, in my opinion.
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I love this conversation and have learned alot from it.  I'm not the only 
> one to be bothered w/cable routing, etc.  There is no perfect solution - 
> long cables, impaired shifting, down tube or stem shifters...  I have bar 
> ends (friction) on albatross bars and long cables which sometimes get in 
> the way of closing my front
>
>  bag.  [image: fanny.jpg]
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:57:10 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
>> square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each and 
>> I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.
>>
>> Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
>> I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube 
>> where I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with MAYBE 
>> a bit of bonus friction from the housing. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the 
>>> indexing shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it 
>>> impossible to install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. It 
>>> is easily removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe 
>>> friction shifters to be installed.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 More shifter nerd talk!
  
 Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning 
 and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's 
 the 
 deal.

 Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
 https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg

 There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
 where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. The 
 standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
 their silver pods do not have this half-circle.

 The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
 pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
 don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle 
 off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano performance 
 in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 

 For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go 
 crazy ;)

 Ben
 On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise 
> feeling.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>
>
> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, 
> and 
> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And 
> the 
> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>
> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, 
>> front shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  
>> You 
>> can just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a 
>> neater appearance
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>>
>>> I have a Ramboui

[RBW] Re: Seeking rim input

[David Person]

For rim brake bikes, I prefer rims with machined sidewalls.  Velocity 
Quills are my fav.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Velocity A23 can also be had in 650b.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:36:20 AM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got an odd wheelset that's Surly disc brake fixed-gear hubs laced to 
>> Velocity Quills. Had them a year or two now, and like them. Highest optimal 
>> tire width is 47mm according to Velocity, but I'm running 50mm G-Ones and 
>> they've worked well. Probably wouldn't want to go too much bigger but I 
>> don't have any more room so that wasn't a concern for me anyway.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:19:05 AM UTC-5 Brent B wrote:
>>
>>> Crust's Rim Brake Rims are really working out for me on my Atlantis and 
>>> at $105 per rim, they're a pretty good deal. They're very similar to the 
>>> Pacenti Brevets, but with a slightly wider profile and without the 
>>> eyelets. Slightly lighter than Brevets and Velocity Quills. I wouldn't put 
>>> them on a bike that was going to see a lot of rocky trails, but they're 
>>> stout enough for normal road/trail touring. Only available in 32h, but they 
>>> are in stock! 
>>>
>>> -Brent
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 09:39:57 UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 My currently installed 650 B rims:
 Velocity Quill, polished 36 hole on my Riv custom.
 Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 40 hole on my Bombadil.
 Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 48 hole on my Riv Keven's Mixte Cargo 
 bike.
 Alex DM-23, silver 40 hole on my Hubbuhubbuh.
 Alex DM-23, silver 36 hole on my Medium Mountain Mixte.
 Velocity Cliffhanger, black 36 hole on the rear of my Crustendell 
 Clementine Clydesdale Cargo Cycle.
 Velocity Atlas, silver 40 hole on my Rosco Baby.

 I also have some VO Diagonale, polished 36 hole VO touring wheels in 
 the stash, I have had them installed on various bike in the past, they 
 were 
 the 1st wheelset on the Bombadil.

 All are good. The Velocity Quills are the lightest. Many of my Velocity 
 rims were custom ordered due some combination of spoke holes and/or 
 polishing being non-stocked items.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
>
> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil 
> from a member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. 
> After 
> enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White Industries 
> front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
> estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
> running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  
>
> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vern
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

[David Person]

Hollywood Sports Rider SE works will for me.  Bike with and without 
fenders.  But all my bikes have a normal top tube.  A step thru requires 
their Bike Frame Adapter Bar to create a fake top tube.

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:37:48 AM UTC-7 Colville wrote:

> I highly agree, I love the options to fit many different wheelbases and 
> sizes and types, fenders too!
>
> They also have a simple classic look, nothing fancy, just work well.  If 
> you get the big 4 bike one like I have, i recommend the floor dolly for 
> that sucker to store it, its a bit heavy.  
>
> You can go to their website, get the model numbers and what not, amazon 
> has them mostly all in stock. 
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:24:21 PM UTC-4 peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I agree.  Hollywood racks are quite good and reasonably priced.  Tim 
>> Petersen
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-5 Colville wrote:
>>
>>> Hollywood Racks make excellent racks that fit all types of bicycles, 
>>> vintage to modern to everything in between.
>>>
>>> https://hollywoodracks.com/
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:42:30 AM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Siris is good if you have fenders.
 Only weighs 25lb

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:38 AM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> Depending on your vehicle
> Siris. Freedom 2 . 
> It's a hitch rack.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:30 AM katherine Evanskbe  
> wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot? 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[David Person]

Just means one more frame will be available for someone who truly wants one 
and will appreciate it.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll make 
> sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>
> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>
>>
>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>
>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available 
>> to pre-order right now...  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
>>> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
>>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name 
>>> to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when 
>>> its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
>>> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>>
>>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down 
> to 2-3 left though. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
>> going to leave it for you to buy though
>>
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>>
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>>
>>> I want no part of this.
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the 
>>> page you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
>>> thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
 Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
 I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
 I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
 until 
 this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
 Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot 
 order enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
 shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
 I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
 for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. 
 I’ve 
 bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
 visit many times. 
 But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Platypus Mods

[David Person]

Though not identical, a SimWorks Obento rack is similar.

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Who makes the front rack?
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 3:52 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>
>> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making some 
>> changes on my Platy.
>>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719 rims. 
>> New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to hold 
>> the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake 
>> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and I've 
>> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
>> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B&M tail light and fenders. V.O 63mm 
>> fluted.
>> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
>> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland 
>> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
>> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the bell 
>> to the stem.
>> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
>> Richard
>> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image: 
>> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[David Person]

I have 559s (with salmon Yokozuna pads) on my Hillborne.  When I built up a 
second bike for wetter conditions I went with a Surly Disc Trucker with 
Yokozuna Ultimo hybrid disc brakes.  I have to say that the difference in 
braking feel and performance, even in dry conditions, is quite noticeable.  
I wasn't sure about disc brakes, but I'm a convert.  I do notice that rims 
with machined sidewalls (like Velocity Quill or Dyad rims) do improve the 
performance of the 559s vs non-machined like Velo Orange Voyager rims.  I'm 
using the same brake lever on both bikes, what Riv used to sell as the 
Tektro Mtn Lever (FL540).

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:25:04 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-5 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that it seems like many of the people who like the 559s ride 
>> in relatively dry places and many of us who regularly deal with wet and 
>> freezing conditions find them inadequate. That's just my hypothesis on the 
>> wide variety of opinions on these brakes; I know not everyone fits this 
>> pattern. 
>>
>
> Well, sample n=1, I did many a winter commute in Wisconsin with them and 
> never had a problem.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>  
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[RBW] Re: BB spindle length question

[David Person]

FWIW, when the BB on my Hillborne needed replacement, I swapped out the 
Tange 107mm BB with a Shimano UN300 107mm BB and the inner chainring made 
contact with the chainstay.  I though, no problem, I'll install a 110mm.  
However, the additional 3mm spindle length was all on the non-drive side.  
I had to go with a 113mm.  Something to be aware of.  I had assumed that 
when going to a longer spindle, the extra length would be added to each end 
of the spindle equally.


BB-UN300  
  
*68x113*
  
Spindle Length 
114mm 
Body Width 
62.9mm 
Drive Side Taper Length 
19.7mm 
Left side Taper Length 
31.4mm 
  
 
   
*68x110 * 
  
Spindle Length 
111.5mm 
Body Width 
63.0mm 
Drive Side Taper Length 
17.1mm 
Left side Taper Length 
31.4mm 
   
   
  
*68x107*  
  
Spindle Length 
108.1mm 
Body Width 
63.0mm 
Drive Side Taper Length 
17.1mm 
Left side Taper Length 
28.0mm 

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 5:42:56 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Unfortunately, the arithmetic does not always add up. 
>
> 22.5 + 20.5 + 68 = 111, not 110. This means that the Q is 4mm less with 
> the 107, not 3; this makes sense as the JL difference (22.5 - 18.4) is also 
> 4mm.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 8:14:58 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> I agree with Bill & George.  The chart George provided, shows a 107 gives 
>> the same front chain line and C/S clearances as a 110 since the JR 
>> dimension is the same for the 107 and the 110.   The 107 gives a 3mm lower 
>> Q.I believe George's chart is for IRD BBs.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Bill.  I took a look at my Ram with a two-chainring crank and 
>>> that's what it has.  But attached is a chart that you might find handy in 
>>> making the decision.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> [image: image.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 1:45:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I would expect a 107 would be the best choice.  I'm pretty sure I had a 
 107 on both of my recently parted out Silver-cranked bikes.  My Atlantis 
 had a 38/24, and my wife's Yves Gomez had a triple.  

 I just built up a Quickbeam with a 38/35 on the big and middle ring 
 positions and I'm running a 103mm BB.  

 On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:46:55 AM UTC-7 Forrest wrote:

> If I want to put an RBW Silver double crank (42/28) on a Rambouillet 
> (with an Ultegra front derailer), do I need a 110 spindle bottom bracket? 
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Clem-L, 2016 $1500

[David Person]

Wishing you success in finding a local buyer.  I've enjoyed your blog for 
years.

David

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 2:34:25 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> If you find a buyer that requires shipping just take it to Analog to box / 
> ship. They do it every day & it will be worth it to the buyer to know it is 
> done right. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:13 PM, anniebikes  wrote:
>
> I need to find a New England buyer. After reading all the shipping woes 
> (chipped paint), no way am I planning on shipping this baby!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:23:54 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike and so well equipped. I think this is a DEAL! 
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 10:56:04 AM UTC-4 anniebikes wrote:
>>
>>> For sale is my Rivendell Clem step through. It's been well taken care of 
>>> with low mileage - less than 1000 miles. I have upgraded it to lighten it, 
>>> but it no longer fits my image of the perfect touring bike.
>>>
>>> For pick up only in Vermont.
>>>
>>> Stock parts include drivetrain with wide low double gearing: 24, 38 
>>> chainrings with 34-16 cassette, 650B wheels, Nitto stem, thumb shifters.
>>>
>>> Upgrades include Soma Oxford handle bar, Selle Royal ergonomic grips, 
>>> SKS fenders, rear rack, Sunlite front rack, and Panaracer Pasela PT 1.75 
>>> tires.
>>>
>>> Minor scratches, always stored indoors.
>>>
>>> Craigslist ad with lots of photos:
>>>
>>> https://vermont.craigslist.org/bik/d/colchester-rivendell-clem/7499137801.html
>>>
>>> anniebi...@gmail.com[image: PXL_20220618_152327404.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[David Person]

I've played around with mixing a couple colors of modeler's enamel (Testors 
or Model Master), mixing on a paper plate, to try and match as closely the 
original paint.  Can likely do the same with nail polish, as Wesley 
mentions.  Now all my bikes are black so they are much easier to touch up 
with just gloss black Testors.
 

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:57:52 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> Ah, that's a tough break Kiley. I'd seek out the best match you can find 
> in Sally Hansen nail polish. Here's a quote from Grant's latest Blahg so 
> you know it's got official approval:
>
> "We (well, I) use nail polish. Joe Bell, world's best bike painter, once 
> told me he thought nail polish was super as touch-up paint, even tougher 
> than his own paint. It comes in tons of colors and costs $4 to $8 per vial, 
> and if you don't like your work, you can always use, you guessed it, nail 
> polish remover. Pedals are fun, but it's kind of a shame that you cover up 
> your work when you're riding. Do stems, seat posts, handlebars, hubs, inner 
> perimeters of rims, spokes, derailers (I did a sloppy job on my most-used 
> derailer, and ... I like it)." 
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:19:01 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
>> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
>> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
>> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>>
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
>> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
>> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
>> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>>
>> -Kiley
>>
>> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Badge Poster Update

[David Person]

Thanks for the updated version, Marty.  It's nice that you provide a full 
size file for downloading.

David

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:18:03 AM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
wrote:

> The latest Blahg mentioned a new badge book that Riv contributed to, and 
> they did use a handful of the badges. They COULD have simply used the 
> poster I've been updating for years! Speaking of which, here's the latest 
> updated poster (the previous version was done in late 2019) and a link to 
> the hi-res art should you want to print one for yourself. It's sized to 16" 
> x 20" - standard for frames out there. 
>
> Sharp-eyed bunchers will notice I made a couple changes in addition to 
> adding the Platypus badge: the Heron badge is retired now. It was the only 
> one that Rivendell had a lot to do with, but technically was not a 
> RIvendell branded product offering like all the others. I would have left 
> it in if I could make the layout work. It's a personal favorite. It will 
> make a comeback when the next new badged bikes come along and a total 
> re-format is necessary. Two other changes I will leave to your sleuthing. 
>
> [image: Riv Badge Poster 8x10 052322.jpg]
>
> Here's the link to download the hi-res file:
>
> Badge Poster File - May 2022 
> 
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Marty
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Choco Dirt Drop question

[David Person]

You are likely the only one who can answer that question, Scott.  Going 
from a Bosco to a Choco is a significant loss in height.  You don't say 
what stem you are using currently with the Bosco.  If it is something other 
than a Dirt Drop, you'll need to factor that into the equation.  When I 
switched from Albatross bars to Choco's on my Hillborne, I replaced the 
10cm Tallux with a 110 FacePlater and wound up with roughly the same bar 
height and reach.  Due to a lumbar fusion, I tool need an upright riding 
position.

David

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:08:52 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> i had chocos on a 10cm dirtdrop on my wolbis at one point.  felt great.  
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift and Acorn bags, Brooks c-17, Rapid rise

[David Person]

Photo link not working.

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:34:06 PM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:

>
> I’m interested in the tool roll, but the photo link isn’t working for me. 
>  Can you re-post link?
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 6:39:09 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:
>
>> Selling a few things
>>
>> *Swift Jr. Ranger panniers- *about a year old, but brand new. never 
>> mounted. nice sort of pine greenish color -300$ plus shipping
>>
>> *Acorn saddlebag- *banana style. has 2 zipped pockets on the side, which 
>> is nice. structurally solid, but definitely shows some wear- 60$ plus 
>> shipping
>>
>> *Acorn Toolroll-* a little more than a tool roll. has 3 zipped 
>> compartments. can fit on saddlebag loops or over a bar or basket etc. very 
>> good condition- 50$ plus shipping
>>
>> *Deore LX rear derailer Rapid Rise-* long cage. very good condition. 50$ 
>> shipped
>>
>> *Brooks C-17 carved all weather- * this nearly new. has a small scuff on 
>> the side. 100$ shipped
>>
>> Photos HERE 
>> There are also other items in that folder that are for sale. I've already 
>> listed them, so I wont add them to this thread, but feel free to reach out 
>> if you're interested in anything in that folder
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Drew. LA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[David Person]

>From Leah,  "David - how unexpected that the Surly edges out the Rivendell! 
They do look remarkably similar."

Leah, I was quite surprised myself since all I had ever read reading the 
LHT/Disc Trucker was that it was a tank and rode much better fully loaded 
than unloaded.  However, I enjoy the ride of both bikes configured as in 
the picture attached earlier.  Maybe the 62cm Hillborne, with it's double 
top tubes is part of the reason it is similar feeling to the Surly.  The 
top tubes on the Hillborne are 28.6mm each, while the TT on the Surly is 
31.8mm, but based on the sound each make when tapped with a fingernail, the 
tubing on the Surly is thinner gauge.  The down tubes on each bike are 
31.8mm.  So, definitely oversized compared to a standard road bike tube 
set.  Both bike weigh approx the same at 32 lbs.

David

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:37:43 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> 56cm 650b Hunqapillar.  These were a small and final run, and it fits me 
> perfectly.
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> I've been mulling over this question for a while, and I've come to the 
>> conclusion that I'm really happy that I don't have to have just one bike 
>> forever. 
>>
>> I currently have a 1998 Ibis Mojo as my "Mountain Bike" (but much more 
>> like modern "gravel" bikes in its setup, with original WTB Offroad Drop 
>> bars, unsuspended fork, and new RH 55-559 Humptulips Ridge knobbies that 
>> really go a lot faster on pavement than any previous knobby tire on that 
>> bike); a 1999 match-built Rivendell Road sort-of-custom as my "mostly 
>> paved" riding bike; and a 2005 orange Quickbeam as my commuter.
>>
>> I guess I got "serious" about riding when I received a Bianchi Volpe in 
>> 1989 as a college graduation/22nd birthday present. That'll be 33 years, 
>> so, assuming I can ride for 33 more years (to age 88!), I'd be about 
>> halfway through my "more than just riding to class" riding years. Of 
>> course, having had metastatic cancer, I realize that there's a good chance 
>> I won't make it to 88, but I can always hope.  With my 2nd surgery in late 
>> 2020, I get my "very likely cancer free" silver star sticker at the end of 
>> 2025, and "really very very likely cancer free" gold star sticker at the 
>> end of 2030.
>>
>> One bike would have to replace all 3. Honestly, even if I only had space 
>> for one full sized bike, I'd find space for a Brompton and use it for 
>> commuting, while keeping the full sized bike for "go far" (no longer "go 
>> fast") rides.
>>
>> Material: I've never had a titanium bike. I've broken a few steel frames, 
>> but I'm no longer over 100kg, so I doubt I'll break any more, but I'd go 
>> for brushed titanium. It's just pretty!
>>
>> Style: I'm OK with a sloping top tube, but I like a straight top tube. 
>> It's just a nice place to put my frame fit "adult sized" pump, plus there's 
>> room for two full sized water bottles. 
>>
>> Handlebar: All my bikes have drop bars, but the WTB's cause the most 
>> wrist and hand pain after a long ride, so either a less flared "off road" 
>> drop bar, or something different like a Jones H bar. I'd like to test the 
>> bar for a week or three first.
>>
>> Wheels/Tires: I'd build this bike around 48-584 Rene Herse Juniper Ridge 
>> or 55-584 Umtanum Ridge "fast knobbies." Front would absolutely have to 
>> have a dynamo hub. I've never had one, but might get a dynamo setup someday 
>> "soon."
>>
>> Gearing: This will cause some consternation: Pinion P-18 with Gates belt 
>> drive. I ride 28-622 tires on the Rivendell, 24-36-46 with an 11-23 
>> 9-speed. That's 113 gear inches for the highest gear and 103" for the 
>> 46x12. 103 gear inches or thereabouts is fine, I could live without my very 
>> highest gear. On the Ibis, it's 24-35-46 with 12-36 9-speed, and that works 
>> out to be a 17.5" bottom gear and 19.7" next-to-bottom gear. Do I 
>> absolutely have to have that whole range? No, that's why I have the two 
>> bikes, but the thought experiment is about one bike, and the P-18 would do 
>> that. Playing with http://www.gear-calculator.com (which is a fun toy!), 
>> there's no pull-down for 48-584, so picking 50-584, with the P-18 and a 32t 
>> chainring and 30t cog (the standard gearing for a Pinion is about 1:1, with 
>> 30/30 being a good starting point), that gives me a 101" top gear and 16" 
>> bottom gear. I'm not getting any younger, so a lower top and bottom gear 
>> seem reasonable. It seems that the Gates drive chainrings/sprockets are in 
>> even teeth only, so 32/30 it is (but 33/30 would be better, oh well).
>>
>> Pedals: This is where the "1 bike only" requirement is a problem. I love 
>> my Grip King pedals on the Quickbeam, but I also love Ritchey XC ("mountain 
>> bike" style or "walk like a normal human being when off the bike" style) 
>> step-in pedals on the Ibis and Rivendell. I guess I could get the Grip 
>> Monarch and appropriate shoes.
>>
>> Rac

Re: [RBW] Five Great Temples Tour-Kyoto, Japan

[David Person]

Great photos.  Beautiful destinations for a ride.

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:28:46 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely. Traditional Japanese architecture, and culture generally, is a 
> high-point among Asian cultures, IMO.
>
> Patrick "half Asian myself" Moore
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 6:14 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Kyoto is a modern city built over, squeezed between, and overflowing from 
>> a rich and ancient history of streets, neighborhoods and temples. I took my 
>> bike to Kyoto a few weeks back to do two rides: A Midnight Meander and a 5 
>> Great Temple Tour.
>>
>> I'm no historian or a Buddhist scholar, but I did like the idea of riding 
>> the '5 mountains' of Kyoto. The '5 mountains' refers to a system of 
>> Buddhist temples that have held great significance politically and 
>> spiritually throughout Japan's history. There are corresponding 'mountains' 
>> in Kamakura, not far from where I live, that I'll make a tour of one day 
>> soon. 
>>
>> While I did stroll through some of these temples to admire the 
>> architecture and craftsmanship that is so uniquely Japanese, to wander the 
>> exquisite gardens, and contemplate the *karesansui * (the dry, stone 
>> gardens) during my week in Kyoto, this morning bicycle ride was more about 
>> passing through each of the 5 Great Temple grounds in the crisp, Spring 
>> morning air before streets filled with cars.
>>
>> At each temple I took a photo of the *sanmon* gate and the *dharma* 
>> hall. 
>>
>> Here are a few photos:
>> [image: Tenryu-ji.jpeg][image: Nanzen-ji.jpeg][image: Kennin-ji.jpeg][image: 
>> Shokoku-ji.jpeg][image: Tofuku-ji.jpeg]
>>
>> Here's a link to my gaiagps track with more photos for the keeners among 
>> you. 
>>
>> Five Great Temples of Kyoto 
>> 
>>
>> Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[David Person]

Review of the Yoshimura Chilao pedals on The Radavist.

https://theradavist.com/2021/10/i-cant-get-enough-of-these-yoshimura-chilao-mtb-pedals/



On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:34:48 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Indeed, those look excellent. Definitely worth a hard look. 
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It 
>> looks like the axle and bearings are the same.
>>
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the 
>> USA:
>> https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:
>>
>>> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  
>>> And why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what I 
>>> type!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>>>
 I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, 
 metal, low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too 
 bad 
 you don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple 
 bikes 
 and find them to be just as good and much less expensive.

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:

> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 
> 8.5 shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my 
> Redline BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. 
> They 
> have them in six colors. 
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
>> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>
>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick 
>> some boxes.
>>
>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to 
>>> go 
>>> there for a few reasons:
>>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at 
>>> times, and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
>>> other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
>>> for, 
>>> unless I'm mistaken.
>>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
>>> long enough?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease 
 to any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide 
 the 
 body back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of 
 Vice and 
 they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  

 I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with 
 the shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform 
 would not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me 
 about 
 Pedal Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
 "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
 they 
 neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
 midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much 
 of a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little 
 better but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. 
 swet spot of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say 
 back 
 in the day  soo-play ... soo-play ! 

 On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a 
> long while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from 
> Speedplay Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my 
> commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally 
> feel gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've 
> recently used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. 
> These are 
> okay, but what I've discovered is that for 

[RBW] Re: FS: Stuff at Analog

[David Person]

To find the current list of sale items, click on Musings at the top of the 
page and then News & Events, the click the Sale Items icon (currently a 
picture with pink pedals).  There will be a link to a Google docs 
spreadsheet with the current items.  Send an email to 
analogcyc...@gmail.com letting them know which item(s) you are interested 
in.

David
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 11:50:29 AM UTC-7 Irving wrote:

> Uh as someone who's never bought anything from Analog's Spreadsheet 
> before... what's the easiest way to go about doing so?
>
> -Irving
> SF, CA
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Cuz they're lovely people and have done some incredible Riv builds and 
>> they have stuff you might like. 
>>
>> Joe "a satisfied customer" Bernard
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[David Person]

I started with VP Vise when I moved to flat pedals 7 years ago.  A few 
years ago I've moved to Catalyst pedals (like Jay above).  They are made 
for Cycling Innovations by VP, but CI sells rebuild kits should the need 
arise.  I'm not a high milage rider, but so far no issues with the pedals.  
I like the shape of the platform.

David

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:32:06 AM UTC-7 John G. wrote:

> Someone on iBob recommended DMR Vaults for people with larger feet. I put 
> a set of them on my new Homer and I love them.
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:50:31 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve not yet read all of the responses, so apologies if I am repeating. I 
>> have converted to flats exclusively and have not been attached to any bike 
>> for 5 or 6 years. Part of this was my interest in the catalyst pedal. I’ve 
>> still not tried the catalyst, but I have adopted the mid foot position - it 
>> really works for me.
>> All things considered my favorite “sticky” flat is the Kona WahWah 2. The 
>> composite version is under $50.00 & sticks like glue to my 5/10 shoes for 
>> serious MTB use. The metal version is beautiful and costs a lot more. What 
>> I love is how BIG it is! Almost as long as a catalyst but noticeably wider. 
>> I can stomp my size 9.5 shoe anywhere I want & am good to go. I also quite 
>> like the DMR Vault, but wish it were as big as the Kona.
>> That said, my current love affair is with the Simworks MKS “Bubbly” 
>> pedal. This is the pedal on my Clem Smith Jr. It is big enough, not 
>> particularly sticky, and looks & feels like jewelry on this bike. It works 
>> perfectly on the Clem for all of the riding I do on it. 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Ps; mid foot works for me on cranks ranging from 165 - 175.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2022, at 4:17 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
>> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>
>>
>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
>> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
>> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
>> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
>> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
>> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
>>> Hill).
>>>
>>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>>
>>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> John
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[David Person]

Beautiful Frances 650b custom.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:34:09 PM UTC-7 Robert Hakim wrote:

> My pleasure Eric! 
> It is completely raw, but living in the American West, the patina has 
> matured slowly. It has been on the back of the car next to the ocean, in 
> the rain multiple times, I spent a few months with family in humid 
> Virginia, and I can't even tell you how many creek crossings. The majority 
> of the rust is likely from being stored in a garage during my time in Va. 
> As cool as the finish is, I think it is making me subconsciously feel like 
> the bike is 'old' or 'worn out'. Looking back through the pictures I think, 
> for my tastes anyways, I should have curtailed the development of the rust 
> a little while ago, hence the desire to get it painted. Though sometimes it 
> is fun to show up at the trailhead with a rat bike, surrounded by all the 
> modern carbon enduro bikes and their loud graphics. 
>
> Cheers, 
> Robert 
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 7:52:48 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Robert! Is this totally raw or is it raw with a clear coat and 
>> the patina is under the clear? I ask because I'd figure a raw steel frame 
>> would weather more quickly that the time frame you mention. I am prepared 
>> to be wrong about this assumption!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:59:00 AM UTC-4 Robert Hakim wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, 
>>>
>>> While it's not the style of bike that I would normally post on this 
>>> forum, you may enjoy the pictures in this album of my Waltworks mountain 
>>> bike. I've left it raw through two seasons of riding and I think it is 
>>> interesting to look back on how the finish has changed. I'm thinking about 
>>> having it media blasted and powder coated this year. 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4FpnrQyZe7Xv7o46
>>>
>>> Happy riding! 
>>> -Robert
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 5:15:57 PM UTC-8 eliu01 wrote:
>>>
 Here's my wife's custom Frances 650b road bike.

 [image: 5719885899_84d077f5ab_o.jpg]

 On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Here is a photo of my 1980 Trek mystery model in a pewter color. I 
> know it's not quite raw steel, but it's fun to imagine what's underneath 
> and consider what makes steel more exciting than steel-colored paint.  
>
> Cheers,
> Bunny
>
> [image: MediumRareTrek.png]
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>> route, with a clear. 
>>
>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
>> inspiration. 
>>
>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>
>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>
>>
>> [image: download.jpg]
>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[David Person]

Yeehaw!

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Thank you Sir. It was a fun parts picking process. My favorite bits are 
> the vintage XTR bits and the Cerakote Nitto Seatpost and stem adapter.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 7:46 PM stoker  wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh - it’s not a recent pic - it was taken around 2005 or 06, so it 
>> was a few years old. Really dig your new Atlantis. Great parts pick and 
>> love the orange! 
>>
>> Bob
>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:05:04 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> Stoker,
>>>
>>> Is that a recent picture? It looks pristine. I dig the Ibis stem..
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 2:27 PM stoker  wrote:
>>>
 My 58cm from the first run. Pretty sure it was the end of 2000?
 Great to see all the terrific builds!

 https://flic.kr/p/pPczv2

 On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 12:12:38 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Morning Bill,
>
> And happy spring. Life's been busy these days so the final push to 
> build was constantly delayed,  once I peeled some time off it went pretty 
> quick. I spent some time prepping the frame previously with frame saver 
> and 
> helicopter tape in the vulnerable areas since it will see dirt and rocks.
>
> Regarding tire size, it is maxed out. Especially in the rear and 
> particularly because of the motolites, they're a great brake but the 
> noodle 
> and straddle cable sit pretty low. The tires are 650b x2.2.
>
> I appreciate the praise,  orange, purple and green are favorites 
> colors of mine and yeah it does work.  I have only ridden it 9 miles on a 
> MUP  But it is very fun to ride. Maybe because of the tire choice but it 
> rides completely different from my road Atlantis.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Hugh 
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 4:48 AM Bill Fulford  
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been waiting for this bike to show up and it’s been worth the 
>> wait! Very impressive. I like the Atlantis with big tires, what size? It 
>> appears maxed. I never would have thought that orange and purple would 
>> work. But it certainly has. That looks like a very fun bike to ride!
>>
>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 4:23:49 AM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jon!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 7:39 PM Jon Dukeman  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's a beautiful build Hugh!!!


 On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 7:29 PM Hugh Smitham  
 wrote:

> Howdy Atlantis Folks,
>
> Been a while but I'm finally ready to show my Orange'Lantis off. 
> Finished the build last night and took it for a spin on the LA River 
> MUP 
> today and did a little photo shoot. Beautiful day all and all. Not 
> sure the 
> Map Ahearn bars will stay but here it is in all it's Orangey glory.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmX5PDmW
>
> Hugh
>
> On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 10:40:49 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rivy Peps,
>>
>> There's a lotta love for many of the Riv models out there and 
>> rightly so but I think the flagship model born from the original 
>> all-rounder needs some attention. So in that spirit let's see you 
>> Atlantis. 
>> Extra points for close-up pictures of your cockpit and other details 
>> like 
>> wheels, but we of course want to see a nice portrait too!
>>
>> Let's have some fun!
>>
>> Hugh Smiitham
>> Los Angeles, CA
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[RBW] New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[David Person]

Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent visit to 
Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.

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[RBW] Re: Chocomoose vs. Bosco?

[David Person]

I've not owned a pair of Chocomoose but I do own a pair of standard Choco 
bars.  For me, the inability to set the angle of the bars would be a 
disadvantage of the Chocomoose.  The set reach of 120mm is also more than 
I'd like.  I run my Choco bars 'inverted' like the Chocomoose are arranged 
and really like the erogonomics.

David

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 1:58:43 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi all, I'm trying to decide between the Chocomoose and the Nitto B353 
> "Bosco" bars. 
>
> What are the advantages and disadvantages of each? Do you have a distinct 
> preference for one over the other, and why? Is one set of bars better 
> suited for a specific type of ride, or are they "six of one, half-dozen of 
> the other?"
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Water Bottle Cage

[David Person]

Last year I took a friend to visit Topanga Creek Outfitters, a unique bike 
shop in the L.A. area.  While we were there I thought I would buy something 
to help support the shop.  I ran across a shelf in the back with some Nitto 
stuff and grabbed an R bottle cage without looking at the price tag (hidden 
under a layer of dust).  It wasn't till I went to pay for it that I was hit 
with sticker shock.  $75 for a water bottle cage? Yikes.  I figured I'd dip 
into some of that stimulus money the government was giving out and 
splurge.  Given the amount of dust that had collected on top of the box, I 
figured those cages had been sitting around while and at that price would 
be sitting around awhile longer, so I helped them move one.  I have to say 
that it does look nice on my Hillborne.

David

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:08:27 AM UTC-8 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> Anybody have a couple Nitto R model cages they aren't using? I need a 
> couple for a Roadeo I just bought.
> thanks
> RIchard
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Tire Liner Strips

[David Person]

I live in So Cal and we have a goathead season (usually in the fall).  I 
run Mr Tuffy's in my Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (700c x 44) and have 
pretty good success, though I don't venture off pavement much.  The times 
that I have gotten flats it's been if I pick up a thorn while cornering and 
it gets through high enough up the sidewall where there is no protection.  
I tried going tubeless last year and concluded that for me it wasn't worth 
the mess and hassle.  

Year's ago I went on a bike ride to the local park with my son, who had Mr 
Tuffy's in his 20 inch tires.  I was on the sidewalk and he was riding the 
dirt strip next to it.  He picked up something like a dozen goatheads and 
didn't suffer a flat.  I was sold from that point on.

David 
Thousand Oaks

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 5:58:01 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

>
> I don't have any need for them myself but over the years I've seen mostly 
> satisfied users of Mr. Tuffy standard liners, including encountering 
> goatheads. I must say though that Big Ben tires at 25-30psi are impeccable 
> for staying inflated over all sorts of junk. Big Apples are the same tire 
> casing with less tread. 
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:30:00 AM UTC-5 george schick wrote:
>
>> AKA, flat protector strips.  Has anyone had any experience with these, 
>> especially in highly flat-prone areas (read that goat heads) as to how well 
>> they work?  The person I'm working with does not live in goat head 
>> territory, but there's always a slight risk of broken glass shards, small 
>> indigenous tree and shrub thorns, etc.  I'm trying to put her mind at ease 
>> that if she has these strips installed between the tire casing and inner 
>> tube she can pretty much be at ease about having a flat someplace in the 
>> middle of nowhere.  BTW,  this is a mountain bike size tire.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just noticed 2021 Homers have much steeper top tube than older models?

[David Person]

Just measured my 2015 Hillborne and it has a 6 degree slope.

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:26:51 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> Jon asked that I post this for him since he is new and being moderated, so 
> his replies don't post immediately.
>
> "Well, since I am new to the group and still being moderated, this will 
> probably not get posted until long after everyone has laughed at me for the 
> question, but: I realised after posting that the information on 
> bikeinsights, specifically the top tube angle, had been computed from a 
> mis-entered top tube length of 60 *mm* instead of 60 cm!! That's where the 
> 12 degrees surely comes from. I made the post over a week ago, and realised 
> the source of the mistake the following day and emailed the moderator to 
> request that my post not to forwarded to the list, and I suspect this 
> follow-up will take a couple of weeks to get approved too. Now, since I 
> mentioned the issue on bikeinsights to my dealer, he prodded them and they 
> fixed the top tube length in the data but they did not fix the computed top 
> tube slope, which still says 12 degrees.
> So this is a separate (and mistaken) issue than the updated geometry for 
> the MIT frames since 2018, which I understand. All is well and I expect to 
> take delivery of my 6-degree-slope AHH in a few weeks! (The dealer got the 
> last of the 58-cm frames at RBW when it was announced that dealers may not 
> get deliveries this spring as planned). I've been planning the build, am 
> very excited and will post again when I really am a RBW owner."
>
> Best - Jon in Montreal
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I have this protractor ap on my android phone.  It's great for measuring 
>> frame angles:
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.sira.protractor
>>
>> I't would be interesting to know what your bike actually measures out to 
>> - though I agree that the surest thing would be for O.P. Jon to just call 
>> Rivendell and ask.  Also, do I understand that you have a Sam rather than a 
>> Homer?
>>
>> Keith (who is simply curious about understanding design changes over time 
>> but, because he has a Saluki, has no need for a Homer or a Sam of his own.)
>>
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-7 John G. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Maybe I can reassure you. I'm also a "level top tube" kind of guy who 
>>> just took delivery of my 2021 Homer Complete. I had the same second 
>>> thoughts as you when I checked BikeInsights after ordering my Homer. I'm 
>>> right in the middle of the size range for a 58, but I could've scraped by 
>>> on a 61.5. 
>>>
>>> Based on what I'm seeing in front of me in my garage, I'd be very 
>>> surprised if the new Homer's top tube angle is actually 11 degrees. It 
>>> really doesn't look that steep. I think it looks exactly like most of the 
>>> Sams I've seen. The frame in general looks very balanced and composed.
>>>
>>> I absolutely love mine, which I've set up as a brevet bike. The ride 
>>> quality and handling are both outstanding. It's plenty fast, too. I don't 
>>> think I'll ever go back to shorter chainstay Riv after this. I'm a convert.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:18:26 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am 99% certain that both the AHH and Sam have 6 degree TT slope.  
>>>> However, could not hurt to call Riv and discuss.  They are very helpful on 
>>>> the phone, and Grant himself might even be the one picking up the phone.  
>>>> Has happened to me a couple times.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:40:56 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The updated geometry probably isn't noted on the current website 
>>>>> because it's actually been in place for a few years--since 2018 at least, 
>>>>> since the 2018 print catalog 
>>>>> <https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/2018_Rivendell_Frame_Catalog.pdf?18216627747902060761>
>>>>>  shows 
>>>>> the new geometry. The change to the top tube slope isn't the only change, 
>>>>> the biggest other change being longer chainstays, especially the larger 
>>>>> sizes. It's part of a general revamp of Rivendell's geometries across the 
>>>>> board--the same thing happened with the Atlan

[RBW] Re: Just noticed 2021 Homers have much steeper top tube than older models?

[David Person]

Jon asked that I post this for him since he is new and being moderated, so 
his replies don't post immediately.

"Well, since I am new to the group and still being moderated, this will 
probably not get posted until long after everyone has laughed at me for the 
question, but: I realised after posting that the information on 
bikeinsights, specifically the top tube angle, had been computed from a 
mis-entered top tube length of 60 *mm* instead of 60 cm!! That's where the 
12 degrees surely comes from. I made the post over a week ago, and realised 
the source of the mistake the following day and emailed the moderator to 
request that my post not to forwarded to the list, and I suspect this 
follow-up will take a couple of weeks to get approved too. Now, since I 
mentioned the issue on bikeinsights to my dealer, he prodded them and they 
fixed the top tube length in the data but they did not fix the computed top 
tube slope, which still says 12 degrees.
So this is a separate (and mistaken) issue than the updated geometry for 
the MIT frames since 2018, which I understand. All is well and I expect to 
take delivery of my 6-degree-slope AHH in a few weeks! (The dealer got the 
last of the 58-cm frames at RBW when it was announced that dealers may not 
get deliveries this spring as planned). I've been planning the build, am 
very excited and will post again when I really am a RBW owner."

Best - Jon in Montreal

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:10:55 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> John,
>
> I have this protractor ap on my android phone.  It's great for measuring 
> frame angles:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.sira.protractor
>
> I't would be interesting to know what your bike actually measures out to - 
> though I agree that the surest thing would be for O.P. Jon to just call 
> Rivendell and ask.  Also, do I understand that you have a Sam rather than a 
> Homer?
>
> Keith (who is simply curious about understanding design changes over time 
> but, because he has a Saluki, has no need for a Homer or a Sam of his own.)
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-7 John G. wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Maybe I can reassure you. I'm also a "level top tube" kind of guy who 
>> just took delivery of my 2021 Homer Complete. I had the same second 
>> thoughts as you when I checked BikeInsights after ordering my Homer. I'm 
>> right in the middle of the size range for a 58, but I could've scraped by 
>> on a 61.5. 
>>
>> Based on what I'm seeing in front of me in my garage, I'd be very 
>> surprised if the new Homer's top tube angle is actually 11 degrees. It 
>> really doesn't look that steep. I think it looks exactly like most of the 
>> Sams I've seen. The frame in general looks very balanced and composed.
>>
>> I absolutely love mine, which I've set up as a brevet bike. The ride 
>> quality and handling are both outstanding. It's plenty fast, too. I don't 
>> think I'll ever go back to shorter chainstay Riv after this. I'm a convert.
>>
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:18:26 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am 99% certain that both the AHH and Sam have 6 degree TT slope.  
>>> However, could not hurt to call Riv and discuss.  They are very helpful on 
>>> the phone, and Grant himself might even be the one picking up the phone.  
>>> Has happened to me a couple times.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:40:56 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:
>>>
 The updated geometry probably isn't noted on the current website 
 because it's actually been in place for a few years--since 2018 at least, 
 since the 2018 print catalog 
 
  shows 
 the new geometry. The change to the top tube slope isn't the only change, 
 the biggest other change being longer chainstays, especially the larger 
 sizes. It's part of a general revamp of Rivendell's geometries across the 
 board--the same thing happened with the Atlantis, which along with the 
 Homer is pretty much the only "legacy" model they still make, albeit with 
 a 
 lot of changes.

 I, for one, see the reasoning behind the changes (better stability and 
 weight distribution, especially when sitting upright), and would encourage 
 you to give the new geometry a try. At the same time, I own bikes with 
 both 
 the "new" Riv geometry (Clem Smith Jr) and the "classic" Riv geometry 
 (Rambouillet), and can understand that if you were expecting the latter 
 and 
 got the former, how that would be a bit shocking. 

 -Jeremy Till
 Sacramento, CA

 On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:35:13 AM UTC-8 J. W. wrote:

>
> Hi everyone, this is my first post to this forum. After years of 
> coveting a Riv, I ordered a Homer and my dealer expects delivery this 
> spring. As I was just checking geometry to make sure I have a stem o

[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[David Person]

Hi J, regarding attaching pictures, the key is to make the file size isn't 
too large.  Before attaching photos to my posts, I always resize them to 
something below 1mb.

Would love to see pictures of the bike when you are able to put them up.

David

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:38:36 AM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> Hi everyone. I'm new to this group. I thought it would be fun to share the 
> latest about this thread's mysterious subject.
>
> We bought the frameset in NYC a few months ago from a super nice fellow 
> and brought it to DC. 
>
> It was surreal to behold the light blue frame, as if it had just left the 
> Toyo workshop in 2008. The paint seems to be custom, but who knows? 
>
> I contacted Rivendell for size and component advice. Will was so generous 
> with his time.
>
> I asked Will to recommend a shop in the greater DC area to build it. An 
> MD-based customer told him to steer us toward Mount Airy Bicycle Company, 
> owned by Larry, a "legend" in the community.
>
> After talking to Larry, it was a no-brainer. Mount Airy's vast collection 
> of bikes and parts was mind-blowing. They did a superlative job on the 
> build. 
>
> If you ride around DC or NYC, you might run into us — a big green 
> Hunqapillar and this fabulous Wilbury, whose saga continues. 
>
> Not sure how to share pics here.  When I try I get a note saying my 
> message is too long.
>
> J
>
>   
>

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[RBW] Re: Just noticed 2021 Homers have much steeper top tube than older models?

[David Person]

I am 99% certain that both the AHH and Sam have 6 degree TT slope.  
However, could not hurt to call Riv and discuss.  They are very helpful on 
the phone, and Grant himself might even be the one picking up the phone.  
Has happened to me a couple times.

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:40:56 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> The updated geometry probably isn't noted on the current website because 
> it's actually been in place for a few years--since 2018 at least, since the 
> 2018 
> print catalog 
> 
>  shows 
> the new geometry. The change to the top tube slope isn't the only change, 
> the biggest other change being longer chainstays, especially the larger 
> sizes. It's part of a general revamp of Rivendell's geometries across the 
> board--the same thing happened with the Atlantis, which along with the 
> Homer is pretty much the only "legacy" model they still make, albeit with a 
> lot of changes.
>
> I, for one, see the reasoning behind the changes (better stability and 
> weight distribution, especially when sitting upright), and would encourage 
> you to give the new geometry a try. At the same time, I own bikes with both 
> the "new" Riv geometry (Clem Smith Jr) and the "classic" Riv geometry 
> (Rambouillet), and can understand that if you were expecting the latter and 
> got the former, how that would be a bit shocking. 
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:35:13 AM UTC-8 J. W. wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone, this is my first post to this forum. After years of coveting 
>> a Riv, I ordered a Homer and my dealer expects delivery this spring. As I 
>> was just checking geometry to make sure I have a stem of the right length 
>> ready for my reach, I noticed that the 2021 model has a considerably 
>> steeper slope to the top tube (looks like almost 12 degrees, compared to 6, 
>> if bikeinsights has it right). I'm a bit shocked, as I hadn't realised 
>> there would be such a difference, and I hadn't read anything about any big 
>> changes (I know they posted the measurements, and it's on me for not doing 
>> due diligence, but I would have thought such a big change would have 
>> warranted mention on the Riv site, with maybe their thinking on why, and 
>> perhaps some comparison photos). All my visual reference for what I had to 
>> look forward to is now out of date and of course I'm second-guessing 
>> myself, maybe I should have ordered a Sam instead -- I'm mostly a 
>> one-bike-at-a-time guy and my current bike, which I've ridden for a long 
>> time, has a horizontal tube, and I felt 6 degrees was already a big step 
>> for me. But, by looking at and admiring a lot of people's builds I came to 
>> see the slight slope as a good thing and I embraced my 6-degree-slopey 
>> future, step boldly into the future etc.
>>
>> Looking at the current photos on the Riv site, the Homer and the Sam have 
>> exactly the same top-tube slope (if you compare the pictures taken in 
>> profile they have models that line up perfectly -- switching back and forth 
>> between tabs, once I got them lined up, shows that they are close to 
>> identical), and they say there that the photos represent the 2021 geometry. 
>> So what's going on? If the stack has been increased by as much as the 
>> dimensions in the chart say, there's no way that those photos represent the 
>> 2021 geometry accurately. I don't know what to do now! 
>>
>> What do you think? 
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[David Person]

Jay, I have a Sam Hillborne that I built up in 2015 (Tektro 559s with 
Yokozuna Salmon pads, Nitto Choco bars, RH double crankset, Shimano XT hub 
laced to Velocity Quill rims, RH Snowqualmie Pass tires).  And this past 
August I built up a new Surly Disc Trucker with many of the same components 
but with Yokozuna Ultimo hybrid disc calipers and threadless Thompson stem 
instead of the Nitto FacePlater quill stem on the Sam.  I have to say, I 
love the disc brakes on the Surly.  Much less brake lever force required to 
stop the bike (same Tektro FL 540 brake levers).  And the difference in the 
wet is even more pronounced.  Both bikes have a remarkably similar ride, if 
I were blindfolded I would have a hard time determining which bike I was 
riding until it came time to use the brakes.  The Surly would reveal itself 
immediately. 

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 10:12:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It is; it's the British term for a windbreaker, especially the old 
> fashioned type with only a half-zipper. The name is borrowed from that of 
> an Inuit garment of similar design, I believe.
>
> I think the extension of the meaning came about because fanatical steam 
> train or steam waggon viewers (steam trucks were used in Britain until the 
> 1960s or even 1970s and there are entertaining Youtube videos of steam 
> waggon fairs and steam traction engines and lorries holding up traffic on 
> narrow English roads) often wore these anoraks in England's wet, cold 
> climate. 
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 9:26 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> And I always thought an "anorak" was a piece of clothing. The things one 
>> can learn here:-)))
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[David Person]

I like your idea for a meetup Ben.  I tried to get a small group together 
last summer in Simi Valley, but it didn't happen.

David in Thousand Oaks

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:13:00 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay, I'll jump in.
>
> We're all on a bike mailing list specializing in once specific brand and 
> type of bikes. Granted, they are more practical bikes than specialist 
> bikes, but we're all still bike nerds here. I have a carbon gravel/road 
> bike, a steel commuter and errand bike, and my Riv as my "zippy, do 
> whatever" bike.
>
> Now, in general, most people who are bike nerds tend to specialize in 
> one or more specific types of riding; MTB, gravel, high performance 
> road, randonneuring, etc. With bike nerdery come riding nerdery, I 
> suppose. I can be extreme in both bike/component choice and riding 
> choice. And while this is extreme in performance, it's kind of the 
> mainstream for "people really into bikes."
>
> Then, there are people who are kind of average, utilitarian riders. 
> They're generally not bike nerds. My wife has an ebike for commuting, 
> errands, and the occasional fun ride. It's like a Toyota Corolla... but 
> a bike. The brand and the specs don't really matter so long as it's 
> reliable and functional.
>
> However, Riv bike owners/riders seems to appreciate both the 
> practicality and utilitarian nature of these bikes, AND the gear head, 
> bicycle craft, nice component nature of bikes. It's an uncommon 
> crossover, and it's something I find I have to describe to both by 
> extreme cycling friends AND my non-cycling friends who might just have 
> their "errand bike."
>
> But it's fun! I love maintaining my Riv. I love the classic look of my 
> bike. I love being able to fix and maintain everything with a pretty 
> basic tool set. I love the fact that I can find really nice parts for 
> usually pretty cheap because they're not the latest modern standard. I 
> love the joy of riding my very nice bike in everyday situations.
>
> For me, I kind of enjoy playing around with the Riv trends because they 
> usually work well. Here's how I've come to explain the Riv culture to 
> people who aren't familiar. Riv bikes tend to take the best parts of 
> practical bike design from the 70s, 80's and 90's and put them all 
> together on one classic looking bike.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
> P.S. L.A. folks, we should all try to do a meetup soon-ish!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[David Person]

My 2015 Sam came with a clear protector too that is nearly invisible.  When 
I wanted something similar for my Surly I purchased one of these Wheels 
Manufacturing clear chainstay protectors off eBay.  Looks excellent.  Now, 
the chainstays on the Sam (463 mm and on the Surly 450 mm) are nowhere near 
the length of those on the newer Rivs, so that is to be taken info 
consideration.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392234836245?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> You can, or could, get NOS steel chainstay protectors a few years ago on 
> eBay. I found a couple from a US seller.
>
> The closest thing I found just now on a quick search is this, UK and 
> aluminum:
>
>
> https://www.velobitz.co.uk/chainstay-protectors/velobitz-vintage-retro-plain-aluminium-chainstay-protector-self-adhesive
>
> Long ago (I was 16 or so) when a heavy 1/8" chain on a smallish ring and 
> cogs with lightly sprung derailleur cage would bounce on the stay over 
> bumps, I cut a "silver" cs protector out of the "tinned" inside of a tin 
> can, with tabs on each end to bolt it under the stay,  It looked good (or 
> so I thought then) and worked well.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 12:08 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> My Rivendell Custom came with extensive clear film over the chain stay. 
>> It is basically invisible, didn't know it was there until I was working on 
>> it real close up one day and saw the edge lines. Most of my other 
>> Rivendells came with a single clear piece of film like what they sell. I 
>> tried to go old school and get my stays chrome plated but that was a no-go 
>> with Grant.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tektro spring

[David Person]

Pam, your going to have to post a picture of the brake caliper, or list the 
model number as Tektro makes a lot of different brakes.

David

On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:35:27 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I've gone through 2 sets of brakes.  The spring on the rear brake has 
> broken in the same place.  If anyone has one from a pair of brakes, I'd be 
> interested.  These brakes have been great.  I've used them daily.  They 
> last about 30,000 miles before the spring breaks.  The rest of the brakes 
> are fine.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[David Person]

Based on a conversation with Will several months ago I know they have 
placed multiple orders with Nitto for things like the FacePlater stems and 
they are just not coming.  He said they are placed multiple orders spread 
out over months for the same items, anticipating the demand when they do 
eventually start receiving them.

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nailed it Paul!! 
>
> Ron
>
> "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." - 
> Grant Petersen
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:13 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
>> This response may sound a little harsh, but I don't mean to be harsh. 
>> It's a frustrating situation for all these days and a bummer when it's hard 
>> to buy things we want.
>> ---
>> Along with what others are saying, it probably also has to do with what 
>> they can get right now. They order MUSA clothing from a small shop in New 
>> Hampshire (I think). That shop has multiple customers, and some production 
>> capacity to balance, and who knows what the raw materials and labor 
>> situation there is. QBP can't even keep hubs in stock. How is Riv going to 
>> get any priority from suppliers when their order quantities are fractions 
>> of most companies?
>>
>> Combine that with increased demand - for lots of good reasons in Rivs 
>> case - their products and brand are becoming more and more well known and 
>> desirable - and you end up with out of stock stuff. It's a bummer, but I 
>> don't think Riv can do too much about it - otherwise they'd be selling more 
>> bikes and employing more people.
>>
>> And when Riv does stock up on stuff (like they did for the retail store), 
>> it ends up sitting on the shelves and putting them in a tough spot. It's a 
>> damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, so IMO choosing "don't" 
>> has a lot of supporting arguments.
>>
>> Will's restock emails are an interesting peak into how often they get 
>> orders from different suppliers, and stuff just doesn't seem to be rolling 
>> in frequently or in large quantities.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:04:32 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others. 
>>> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But, 
>>> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
>>> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
>>> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
>>> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
>>> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
>>> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list 
>>> goes on.
>>>
>>> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no 
>>> avail.
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[David Person]

Back in the mid 2000's there was a blog called "Let's Go Ride a Bike".  The 
main poster was a woman named Dorothy and she rode a Betty Foy all over 
Chicago in all sorts of weather.  Sadly, her last post was back in 2015, 
but the site is worth a visit for inspiration.

https://letsgorideabike.wordpress.com/

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 12:46:26 PM UTC-8 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello Heather, I just wanted to pop in here quickly to say hello and 
> welcome! I adore your pumpkin platypus and the accessories you chose -- 
> such wonderful taste! I'm a newbie here as well, having just purchased a 
> lime 50 cm platypus when it popped up this fall on Riv's garage sale. I had 
> been an admirer for about a decade and finally decided to take a chance on 
> a Riv without ever riding one -- and it is just an unbelievably wonderful 
> bike. This folks on this forum, especially the #rivsisters like Leah and 
> Roberta, have been so warm, welcoming, and wonderfully supportive. So much 
> so that I also have a new Clem Smith Jr. getting a dyno hub at my local 
> bike shop. Hope to see you 'round here, and please share all the pics!
>
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 3:25:19 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Leah and Heather,
>>
>> The similarities in your "how I got to Rivendell" stories are fascinating 
>> to me. I think it's a testament to the Riv vibe in general that your paths 
>> ended there, and specifically on mixtes. 
>>
>> When the Glorius and Wilbury appeared in the mid-'00s, shortly followed 
>> by the lower-cost and easier to manufacture Betty Foy, I don't think any of 
>> us (or Riv) saw mixtes/step-throughs (droptube!) becoming a mainstream 
>> style in the market that everyone would ride. Now we have Cheviot and 
>> Platypus and Clem L and the Bike Snob guy rides a Platy. And there's my 
>> custom (I shout myself out here)! It's a whole new world! 
>>
>> Heather your bikes are so rad! I dig the Albastache on your Platy, a bar 
>> I can't ride to save my life but they're SO cool. It's been great fun to 
>> read your story, welcome to the fray! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 11:41:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Heather, we really are sisters. I have SUCH a similar story - never 
>>> having a “nice” bike until I found Rivendell. Never fitting in with any 
>>> group or class of rider and having to find my own way. I still have anxiety 
>>> going into new bike shops thinking that they’ll laugh me out of the 
>>> building or label me in some way or not believe I’m a “real” rider. I so, 
>>> so empathize and thank you for telling us how you found your way. This is 
>>> why the RivSisterhood is so important to me; we have so much to share with 
>>> each other; it can be rough out there in the biking world, and it’s nice to 
>>> have a supportive, warm group of women in your corner. I am here cheering 
>>> for you from the woods of Michigan, loving your stories and adoring your 
>>> bikes! Same for the rest of my lovely sisters out there! (Guys, I love you, 
>>> too, but it’s just different with the Sisters.)
>>>
>>> Now, speaking of the sisterhood, do you know about Pam Murray? She’s the 
>>> famous Betty Foy rider (that bike predates your Cheviot and our Platypuses) 
>>> with 60k+ miles and counting. She teaches Cycle Savvy in Charlotte, which 
>>> is 130 miles from Asheville. I’d give my left rose-anodized brake lever to 
>>> meet her in person, and here you are in her backyard! You should meet. 
>>> Which makes me think: we need a Riv Sister Meet Up. I’d love to meet you 
>>> girl in real life and hug your necks and kiss your bikes.
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking the time to tell your story and share your bikes. I 
>>> have relished every bit of it. Keep posting!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Heather Hayes  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *Long story short, here’s photos of my Cheviot!*
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't like lengthy, boring coming-of-age stories about bike 
>>> riding, you've been warned to turn back now or skip ahead to the pictures 
>>> below. :) But if you do, I'll share mine. The journey to discovering 
>>> Rivendell and this beautiful Cheviot was a *completely* unexpected one…
>>>
>>>
>>> Riding my bike as a kid was one of my favorite pastimes, from the hot 
>>> pink Huffy with glittery tinsel streamers and a rose-patterned banana seat, 
>>> to a lemon yellow beach cruiser with a saddle the size of a movie theatre 
>>> recliner and playing cards clipped to the spokes with wooden clothespins. 
>>> In college I “upgraded” the cruiser to a super cheap, maliciously-magenta 
>>> Magna from Wal-mart. I biked to all my classes until someone cut the chain 
>>> on the front porch of my dodgy neighborhood and stole my sweet ride. Its 
>>> replacement was another Big Box cheapie, which got me where I needed to go 
>>> until moving from fairly-flat Raleigh to the mountains of Asheville, where 
>>> I couldn’t even make it up the first hill outside 

[RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[David Person]

Thanks for sharing your story.  Good on you for experimenting with 
different handlebars and tires.  I too am a big fan of Rene Herse tires, 
going back to their days as Compass tires.  Big fan of Choco bars too.  
Have them on both my rides, having switched the Sam Hillborne from 
Albatross bars and liking the Choco's so much I used them when I built up 
my Surly this past August.

David

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 10:28:51 AM UTC-8 Heather Hayes wrote:

> *Long story short, here’s photos of my Cheviot!*
>
>
> If you don't like lengthy, boring coming-of-age stories about bike riding, 
> you've been warned to turn back now or skip ahead to the pictures below. :) 
> But if you do, I'll share mine. The journey to discovering Rivendell and 
> this beautiful Cheviot was a *completely* unexpected one…
>
>
> Riding my bike as a kid was one of my favorite pastimes, from the hot pink 
> Huffy with glittery tinsel streamers and a rose-patterned banana seat, to a 
> lemon yellow beach cruiser with a saddle the size of a movie theatre 
> recliner and playing cards clipped to the spokes with wooden clothespins. 
> In college I “upgraded” the cruiser to a super cheap, maliciously-magenta 
> Magna from Wal-mart. I biked to all my classes until someone cut the chain 
> on the front porch of my dodgy neighborhood and stole my sweet ride. Its 
> replacement was another Big Box cheapie, which got me where I needed to go 
> until moving from fairly-flat Raleigh to the mountains of Asheville, where 
> I couldn’t even make it up the first hill outside my front door on my 
> single speed sarcophagus of a bike. It was relegated to the basement and 
> started its sad new hobby of collecting dust.
>
>
> Fast-forward 15 years. I hear about this magical place (beyond Middle 
> Earth) called Rivendell from cycling-enthusiast friends. But I couldn't be 
> a REAL cyclist, I'd be laughed off the road! Then I read JUST RIDE. Just 
> @&!%ing ride!!! What an amazing book, outlook, philosophy. Ride like you’re 
> a kid again. Have fun. Wear jeans. Be an UNracer. Who TF cares?! Beausage 
> for life.
>
>
> My Chev is the first bike I’ve ever owned that cost over $75, and the 
> *priceless* result is rediscovering that I LOVE being on a bike again. 
> (Plus, I went to the School of Design, so I appreciate all those gorgeous 
> lugs as works of art!) Now, I can make it up those steep-ass hills, and I 
> even seek them out for fun. A good gravel grind in the woods became my 
> meditation. I was also thrilled to ride half a mile up to my neighborhood 
> market for fresh bread and cheese to put in my Nantucket wicker basket. 
> #NoRideIsTooShort 
>
>
> The Cheviot has already evolved many times as I discovered what I wanted 
> out of a bike. Cruising around only on beach vacations became more 
> adventures in the forest. Boscos were traded in for Chocos. Rene Herse 
> Switchback Hill smooth-treads were replaced with Juniper Ridge 
> mini-knobbies. My beloved basket became less practical for most rides and 
> made way for a front rack instead. I guess evolving, adapting, and dialing 
> in those components is all part of the fun, right!?
>
>
> I knew next to nothing about bikes two years ago. But after COUNTLESS 
> hours spent perusing the Riv site, reading their catalog cover to cover, 
> pouring over the Blahg, and following this forum to *learn so much from 
> all of you*, a whole new world has opened up. Rivendell made bike riding 
> accessible again, and literally changed the way I was living my life. I 
> rediscovered that carefree kid on a bike, I'm beyond excited for all the 
> adventures still to come!
>
> [image: Cheviot2.jpg]
> [image: Cheviot3.jpg][image: Cheviot5.jpg][image: Cheviot7.jpg]
>
>
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[RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[David Person]

Well Laura, hope your Platypus dreams can be realized.

David

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 5:09:16 PM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I love this thread…but perhaps I love most how wildly similar Leah and 
> Heather are to one another. It makes me laugh.
>
> I also love that Laura shouted out “A PLATYPUS!” to a total stranger. :)
>
> Heather, your Platy is breathtaking (and Carl, your Clem L! I love that 
> color)…I would be TERRIBLE at choosing my own color. Too many choices and 
> too overwhelming for me…I’m envious that you’re clear what you want.
>
> I’d love to know which rear bag you’re using in these images, Heather. I 
> think it would fit my Clem L…my seat post is so short and the space between 
> the seat and the rack is so shallow that not many bags seem to fit well. 
>
> Liz
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5 Carl wrote:
>
>> Thanks Laura. Hope you're able to get a Riv sometime soon. Whichever 
>> model and color you end up with, they bring a lot of joy!
>>
>> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 3:36:10 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Carl, that is a beautiful Clem. Funny how different bikes look with the 
>>> same colors. In my minds eye, a Susie is orange. I am not sure what color a 
>>> Platypus is, but I definitely favor the grey and dark gold Clem’s.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-5 Carl wrote:
>>>
 Hi Heather and everyone, I'm Platy-less, but am one of your Asheville 
 neighbors and have a Clem L! Congrats on your new bike. It's beautiful! 
 Happy trails, -- Carl

 On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 8:39:23 PM UTC-5 Heather Hayes wrote:

> Happy New Year to my fellow Platy people! I know I’m late to the Platy 
> party, but I just wanted to introduce myself and my Pumpkin Platypus. 
> We’re 
> so honored to be here among the esteemed RBW Owners Bunch! I’ve been a 
> lurking wallflower on the forum for a while, and have so enjoyed watching 
> the reveals of all your lovely builds!
>
>
> Though I initially had my heart set on a mermaid Platypus when they 
> first went live back in April, the online order form had other ideas. I 
> cracked my knuckles, hovered over the purchase button, then clicked BUY 
> NOW 
> with the authority of a seasoned judge pounding a gavel… but my mermaid 
> selection auto-changed to limeolive, dashing my aqua-colored dreams. 
> There 
> was nary a 50cm mermaid to be found anywhere. No offense to the lovely 
> limeolive, but as a graphic designer, having a color I personally LOVED 
> was 
> very important to me! Reframing crisis as opportunity, I decided to 
> repaint 
> the frame a custom color. Pea soup to pumpkin bisque instead, please!
>
>
> After many, many, MANY nail-biting months of waiting, the newly 
> painted frame finally arrived. I carefully unwrapped my brand new Pumpkin 
> Platy with the same awe and enthusiasm of the father in A Christmas Story 
> unpacking his beloved leg lamp. (Though thankfully Rivendells are MUCH 
> sturdier!) ;)
>
>
> My Platy mainly enjoys conquering steeper terrain here in the 
> beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains of Asheville, NC, but still loves 
> adventuring near aquatic habitats as well. Here on the forum, the swoopy 
> elegance of this frame has aptly been likened by Leah to that of a prom 
> dress. Set up as a gravel grinder, I wanted this badass bike to sport 
> combat boots underneath the sparkly orange gown. (She’s a gorgeous prom 
> queen, but you're also kind of afraid she'll kick you in the shins!) 
>
>
> My sweet RBW blue Cheviot townie now has a fierce and fiery friend by 
> her side, and I love having not one but two Rivendells to *JUST RIDE!* 
>
> [image: Platy1.jpg][image: Platy2.jpg][image: Platy3.jpg]
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[David Person]

Oh yes, and show us the Cheviot.

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 11:12:43 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> Really nice, Heather.  Beautiful paint job and I love the looks of the 
> cantilever brakes.  Very classic.  I've owned bike with V-brakes and know 
> how well they perform, but have never warmed up to them from an aesthetic 
> perspective.  Much prefer the lines of a nice set of cantilevers.
>
> David 
>
> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> RivSister Heather, 
>>
>> Yes, yes, your blue Cheviot is welcome on this thread. Put those bikes 
>> side by side, even! I was thinking about your Pumpkin Platy and I 
>> remembered that there was a 2nd person that had a repaint done. He wanted a 
>> root beer color, and got it. It was accidentally seen in the background of 
>> one of Grant’s Blahg photos. That makes 3 Platys that I know of that are 
>> not mermaid or limeolive. See here:
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Laura  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Heather,
>>
>> I am that nut at Bent Creek who called out, *A PLATYPUS* It was a 
>> chance encounter with Heather and Joel that got me to seriously consider a 
>> Rivendell bike. I went from casual browser to serious dreamer! It is great 
>> to see a few pics and recognize beautiful places around town. You did a 
>> great job building up a wonderful bike.
>>
>> I am also inclined to lurk in the background online, especially since I 
>> am Riv-less! Perhaps a Platypus is on my horizon…
>> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:46:17 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to the group and to being a RivSister!  You Pumpkin Bisque bike 
>>> is beautiful and I loved reading your story about it.  I visited Asheville 
>>> perhaps 20 years ago and your pictures reminded me how lovely it is (and 
>>> was), with the Platy setting off the beautiful scenery (or it it the other 
>>> way around?!).
>>>
>>> Miles of smiles (your expression tells it all).
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 8:39:23 PM UTC-5 Heather Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Happy New Year to my fellow Platy people! I know I’m late to the Platy 
>>>> party, but I just wanted to introduce myself and my Pumpkin Platypus. 
>>>> We’re 
>>>> so honored to be here among the esteemed RBW Owners Bunch! I’ve been a 
>>>> lurking wallflower on the forum for a while, and have so enjoyed watching 
>>>> the reveals of all your lovely builds!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Though I initially had my heart set on a mermaid Platypus when they 
>>>> first went live back in April, the online order form had other ideas. I 
>>>> cracked my knuckles, hovered over the purchase button, then clicked BUY 
>>>> NOW 
>>>> with the authority of a seasoned judge pounding a gavel… but my mermaid 
>>>> selection auto-changed to limeolive, dashing my aqua-colored dreams. There 
>>>> was nary a 50cm mermaid to be found anywhere. No offense to the lovely 
>>>> limeolive, but as a graphic designer, having a color I personally LOVED 
>>>> was 
>>>> very important to me! Reframing crisis as opportunity, I decided to 
>>>> repaint 
>>>> the frame a custom color. Pea soup to pumpkin bisque instead, please!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After many, many, MANY nail-biting months of waiting, the newly painted 
>>>> frame finally arrived. I carefully unwrapped my brand new Pumpkin Platy 
>>>> with the same awe and enthusiasm of the father in A Christmas Story 
>>>> unpacking his beloved leg lamp. (Though thankfully Rivendells are MUCH 
>>>> sturdier!) ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My Platy mainly enjoys conquering steeper terrain here in the beautiful 
>>>> Blue Ridge Mountains of Asheville, NC, but still loves adventuring near 
>>>> aquatic habitats as well. Here on the forum, the swoopy elegance of this 
>>>> frame has aptly been likened by Leah to that of a prom dress. Set up as a 
>>>> gravel grinder, I wanted this badass bike to sport combat boots underneath 
>>>> the sparkly orange gown. (She’s a gorgeous prom queen, but you're also 
>>>> kind 
>>>> of afraid she'll kick you in the shins!) 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My sweet RBW blue Cheviot townie now has a fierce and fiery friend by 
>>>> her side, and I love having not one but two Rivend

Re: [RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[David Person]

Really nice, Heather.  Beautiful paint job and I love the looks of the 
cantilever brakes.  Very classic.  I've owned bike with V-brakes and know 
how well they perform, but have never warmed up to them from an aesthetic 
perspective.  Much prefer the lines of a nice set of cantilevers.

David 

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> RivSister Heather, 
>
> Yes, yes, your blue Cheviot is welcome on this thread. Put those bikes 
> side by side, even! I was thinking about your Pumpkin Platy and I 
> remembered that there was a 2nd person that had a repaint done. He wanted a 
> root beer color, and got it. It was accidentally seen in the background of 
> one of Grant’s Blahg photos. That makes 3 Platys that I know of that are 
> not mermaid or limeolive. See here:
>
>  
>
> On Jan 3, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Laura  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Heather,
>
> I am that nut at Bent Creek who called out, *A PLATYPUS* It was a 
> chance encounter with Heather and Joel that got me to seriously consider a 
> Rivendell bike. I went from casual browser to serious dreamer! It is great 
> to see a few pics and recognize beautiful places around town. You did a 
> great job building up a wonderful bike.
>
> I am also inclined to lurk in the background online, especially since I am 
> Riv-less! Perhaps a Platypus is on my horizon…
> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:46:17 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the group and to being a RivSister!  You Pumpkin Bisque bike 
>> is beautiful and I loved reading your story about it.  I visited Asheville 
>> perhaps 20 years ago and your pictures reminded me how lovely it is (and 
>> was), with the Platy setting off the beautiful scenery (or it it the other 
>> way around?!).
>>
>> Miles of smiles (your expression tells it all).
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 8:39:23 PM UTC-5 Heather Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> Happy New Year to my fellow Platy people! I know I’m late to the Platy 
>>> party, but I just wanted to introduce myself and my Pumpkin Platypus. We’re 
>>> so honored to be here among the esteemed RBW Owners Bunch! I’ve been a 
>>> lurking wallflower on the forum for a while, and have so enjoyed watching 
>>> the reveals of all your lovely builds!
>>>
>>>
>>> Though I initially had my heart set on a mermaid Platypus when they 
>>> first went live back in April, the online order form had other ideas. I 
>>> cracked my knuckles, hovered over the purchase button, then clicked BUY NOW 
>>> with the authority of a seasoned judge pounding a gavel… but my mermaid 
>>> selection auto-changed to limeolive, dashing my aqua-colored dreams. There 
>>> was nary a 50cm mermaid to be found anywhere. No offense to the lovely 
>>> limeolive, but as a graphic designer, having a color I personally LOVED was 
>>> very important to me! Reframing crisis as opportunity, I decided to repaint 
>>> the frame a custom color. Pea soup to pumpkin bisque instead, please!
>>>
>>>
>>> After many, many, MANY nail-biting months of waiting, the newly painted 
>>> frame finally arrived. I carefully unwrapped my brand new Pumpkin Platy 
>>> with the same awe and enthusiasm of the father in A Christmas Story 
>>> unpacking his beloved leg lamp. (Though thankfully Rivendells are MUCH 
>>> sturdier!) ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> My Platy mainly enjoys conquering steeper terrain here in the beautiful 
>>> Blue Ridge Mountains of Asheville, NC, but still loves adventuring near 
>>> aquatic habitats as well. Here on the forum, the swoopy elegance of this 
>>> frame has aptly been likened by Leah to that of a prom dress. Set up as a 
>>> gravel grinder, I wanted this badass bike to sport combat boots underneath 
>>> the sparkly orange gown. (She’s a gorgeous prom queen, but you're also kind 
>>> of afraid she'll kick you in the shins!) 
>>>
>>>
>>> My sweet RBW blue Cheviot townie now has a fierce and fiery friend by 
>>> her side, and I love having not one but two Rivendells to *JUST RIDE!* 
>>>
>>> [image: Platy1.jpg][image: Platy2.jpg][image: Platy3.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[David Person]

"Very limited black parts on the Platypus:"  I think a combination of black 
and silver look very nice on your bike.

David

On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 9:10:05 AM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Very limited black parts on the Platypus: Paul cantis and levers, MKS 
> XC-III pedal cages, some trim on the BxB saddlebag, and gray bar tape - and 
> that pesky dog. Saddle is Berthoud deep brown, not black. 
>
> I don't like how some black components visually wear, but like this mix, 
> and am OK with how these components will show their miles. I also like how 
> the black complements the green and cream colors. 
>
>
>
> Chris
> SB, CA 
>
> On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 1:12:47 PM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> forgot to add this one - a favorite i found somewhere. if i recall 
>> correctly, it was a complainer on serotta forums, about riv's inability to 
>> run a business. jokes on them, these days.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1245.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:17:50 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> *"Max: I beg forgiveness for using a puerile word, but that bike 
>>> is neat!  I did note the ass saver. 50 X 18 with those tires -- I'd guess 
>>> 27" tall: 75 or 76 gi? Just right for what I assume is a very light and 
>>> efficient bike Whatzit Weigh?" *
>>>
>>> Yep, just about 76 inch gear. Tires are Specialized 32 mm cross 
>>> tubulars, latex tubes, so not too heavy for that size tire. The wheelset 
>>> isn't much lighter, if at all, than my regular DA hubs with Reflex rims. A 
>>> 50 mile ride on dirt roads around here will net only about 2,000 ft of 
>>> elevation gain, so weight isn't a big priority. With those tires, rack, 
>>> heavy bb and crank (by modern standards), spare tire, repair kit, full 
>>> pump, lights, it's over 20 lbs. But the fit on the bike is good, and thanks 
>>> to the wheel aerodynamics, I do manage a half-mph more on this than on 
>>> other set-ups. 
>>>
>>> The rear dropouts on the frame had been spread to 130 mm, so I can swap 
>>> wheels with other bikes without too much trouble. I do have a wheel with a 
>>> long-axled Surly fixed/fixed hub that I run sometimes, and riding fixed is 
>>> somehow just as fast for me (but a bit more tiring). 
>>>
>>> - Max "less whining, more fix(edgearrid)ing" in A2 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 2:54:49 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Garth: Either your eyes or your monitor are better than mine. When I 
 blow up the image on my *$1K hi rez 42" work monitor* I can make out a 
 fuzzy, "maybe" Selle Italia, but that's it.

 Max: I beg forgiveness for using a puerile word, but that bike is 
 *neat!*  I did note the ass saver. 50 X 18 with those tires -- I'd 
 guess 27" tall: 75 or 76 gi? Just right for what I assume is a very light 
 and efficient bike.

 Whatzit Weigh?

 My 1999 custom Joe gofast fixie is 18 event, but with heavy pedals (DA 
 SPDs at 360 grams the pair) and heavy Phil hubs F&R, and 2 Iris cages. 
 Original edition Flite saddle,

 On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:01 AM Max S  wrote:

> Garth is correct – Selle Italia SLR, one of the later models, 135 
> grams, no cutout. There's an "Ass Saver" on there. The wheels are Enve 
> 6,7 
> – 60 and 70 mm deep rims, front and rear, respectively, on DT Swiss 350 
> hubs. I was running a White Industries crank with a 50 t ring and 18 t 
> rear 
> cog (in aluminum) by Endless Cogs. Eriksen Ti seatpost, Ibis Ti stem. 
>
> - Max "the Fastest Pumpkin" in A2
>
> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 3:56:44 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Oo  I wanna play "name that saddle" Patrick !  
>>
>> If you zoom into the photo you can see at the rear of the saddle the 
>> stylistic remnants of *Italia *, and below forward of that 3 little 
>> symbols which spell out SLR. That'd be a Selle Italia SLR saddle . 
>> (((  for the cookie !   
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 8:07:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Max: Please explain (in excruciating detail): Fixed or ss? Gear 
>>> inches? What are those wheels, and especially, why? And explain radial. 
>>> 2-cross rear? What is that ass hatchet? (I don't doubt you find it 
>>> comfortable; I've been loving original issue Flites since 1990.) Custom 
>>> decals ...???!!! And gravel tires and front rack to complete the 
>>> package. 
>>>
>>> The list demands explanations!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:06 AM Max S  wrote:
>>>
 Wow, many nice bikes. Gonna link to my Halloween Special Scary 
 Riv... I've got a black stem and seatpost I might swap in for the next 
 Halloween, but in the meantime, I will put back some gray-finish 
 wheels and 
 cranks back on, because gray & orange is a bit less "on the nose" :-) 

 - Max "sotto voce" in A2

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[David Person]

I've found that rims with machined sidewalls (Velocity Dyads and Quills) 
provide much better breaking than rims that do not have machined sidewalls 
(VO Voyagers, Grand Bois Papillon).  FWIW.


On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 6:22:21 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Again, thanks to everyone who chimed in on this thread. I actually 
> particularly love when people start talking about their own 
> situations/solutions, even if they don't apply to me...just because they 
> don't apply now doesn't mean they never will.
>
> Semi-resolution of my original question...
>
> I went ahead and ripped off the tape, installed Sliver2 shifters/pods, new 
> housing and cables, retaped and retwined...
> [image: sambars.jpg]
>
> I definitely see some little mistakes in the wrap, but this is my first 
> attempt at a drop bar and I'm pleased as punch. I might redo the drive side 
> tape before I shellac (there are two little gaps on the inside drop and I 
> have the tiniest bit of bar showing under the hood. I also think that dark 
> blue is THE move on this sage green bike. I hated undoing Mark's work, but 
> I think for my first time doing it, it went as well as it could have. Pro 
> tip...if you're not buying the hemp twine Rivendell sells to finish your 
> bar tape, throw away your current twine and order some. Night and day 
> difference in quality and uniformity of thickness on the twine. 
>
>
> So...did it make a difference in braking?
> While I'm still a far cry from the power of V-brakes, I think new 
> cables/housing and freshly set up brakes gave me a little more grab on my 
> ride this morning. I did carefully decrease the pad/rim distance gap to 
> about 1/8" and things are definitely feeling sungger/more secure. I'm still 
> going to replace the Kool Stop with the Yokozuna salmons, though. The kind 
> of riding I generally do with this bike requires VERY little braking power 
> in the first place. If I were going to make this a daily commuter, I'd 
> probably go searching for some Paul's or even try the VO Grand Cru. But...I 
> have a daily commuter that stops on a dime. 
>
> At the end of the day, maybe the changes I made gave me a marginal 
> improvement. Even if so, I have the satisfaction of doing this kind of work 
> on a bike for the first time and the peace of mind knowing that my housing 
> and cables are fresh...and that ain't nothing! 
>
> Thanks again for all your thoughts and feedback!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:29 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> Not of the reach of your Sam but my Rambouillet was considered to be a 
>> pretty far reach bike, specified for the longest reach caliper out there at 
>> the time which was a non-group Shimano part. They were fine and I replaced 
>> stock pads with something similar when necessary but I was alarmed by a 
>> long descent in pouring rain that came up during a local charity ride. It 
>> was like there was no braking at all. 
>>
>> I went beyond different pads and got a set of Paul Racer center pulls 
>> center mount version with the salmon pads and all is well. I have to admit 
>> I was in the market for more clearance around the tires so I could better 
>> size fenders to cover the 32mm tires that I found made the bike handle its 
>> best. Midlife crisis for my Ram: new calipers, 32mm RH EL tires and fenders 
>> that covered them with adequate clearance and didn't rattle during braking. 
>>
>> I didn't undo the bars either, just modified the housing run and stop at 
>> the seat tube lug and replaced the cable. There's some Rambouillet in the 
>> Sam's blood.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>>> different reasons.
>>>
>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>>
>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>>
>>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>>
>>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on gett

[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[David Person]

I second (or third) the suggestion to switch to Yokozuna salmon pads.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:00:06 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets 
> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" 
> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who 
> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I 
> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as 
> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
>
> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with 
> the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) 
> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the 
> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or 
> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm 
> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
>
> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is 
> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything 
> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and 
> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach 
> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one 
>> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. 
>> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could 
>> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably 
>>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I 
>>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's  and I 
>>> have no complaints.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/
>>>  
>>>
>>> I 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ben,
 For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. 

 Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. 
 They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem to 
 have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- 
 perhaps because they're beefier than R559. 

 (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop 
 pad.)

 Good luck!
 shoji
 Arlington MA



 On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
> different reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I 
> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel 
> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up 
> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just 
> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual 
> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull 
> the 
> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and 
> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as 
> if 
> not enough force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up 
> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that 
> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they 
> contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of 
> kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a 
> little 
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be 
> as 
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>


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[RBW] Re: For Sale :: TK [long]

[David Person]

Got a Shimano CX70 front derailleur or a an XT RD-M771 rear derailleur in 
nice condition?

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 6:00:52 AM UTC-8 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hello!
>
> TK – short for “to come” – is a publishing staple I learned about in my 
> computer magazine editing days. As you worked on a piece, you might insert 
> “TK” in place of a word, name, phrase, sentence, or paragraph as a reminder 
> to indicate you hadn’t forgotten anything, but you just hadn’t fleshed it 
> out yet.
>
> So with the holidays here, I do not want to dive into my boxes of bike 
> things, take photos and write up descriptions, pack said boxes, and then 
> deal with or further burden the busy national shipping system. Instead, 
> come the new year, I’ll be looking to sell some of the following categories 
> of parts and such, a mix of new and mildly used, but now all just TK, to be 
> fleshed out in 2022.
>
> *pedals*: mainly Shimano mt. SPD, new & used
> *derailleurs*: mainly Shimano 9-speed mt. & road
> *brakes*: cantilevers, sidepulls, levers
> *bottom brackets*: all British thread, mainly new
> *clothing*: some wool, including new gabardine knickers
> *tires*: three pairs 700x35, plus some new road
> *cassettes*: mainly Shimano 9-speed, some 8-speed, mainly new
> *chains*: mainly Shimano 9-speed, high-end 7/8-speed, all new
> *bar tape*: leather and not-leather, many colors, several brands, all new
> *tools*: got some more, plus some nice price drops
> *chainrings*: 110/74s from TA, Sugino, Vuelta, RaceFace, Salsa, more, all 
> new
> *headsets*: threaded 1-inch, mainly new
> *books*: some classics and other cycling publications I think you’ll enjoy
> *forks*: 1-inch and 1-1/8 inch, carbon with metal steerers
> *seatposts*: mainly 27.2mm, plus others
> *stems*: mainly threadless, some quill, both 26.0 & 31.8 clamps
> *bicycles*: about 6 steel and titanium road bikes and framesets from 
> Bridgestone, Ibis, Burley, and Litespeed, all sized around 56cm
>
> Please think of this post as a friendly head’s up. Or as the cycling stuff 
> equivalent of “save the date.” And if you’re looking for something 
> particular in any of those 17 categories, send me a note; it could be 
> mutually helpful.
>
> For now, happy solstice season to you all! May your days be well-stocked 
> with more light.
>
> Smiles,
>
> Dave, who if he had a tagline in this peer-to-peer world of buying and 
> selling bike stuff it would be “Let my overbuying become your bargain” 
> which is especially true as he and his cycling wife downsize
> + + + + + + + +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> P.S. We’re just downsizing. We’re still cycling. Even when these sales are 
> done, we will still have many pedals, derailleurs, brakes, bottom brackets, 
> clothing, tires, cassettes, chains, bar tape, tools, chainrings, headsets, 
> forks, seatposts, stems, and bicycles.
>
> P.P.S. If you’ve read this far, thanks! Plus, maybe you can help me. I 
> want to buy a Brooks B.17 titanium-rail saddle, antique brown or honey, new 
> or near-new. I’ll pay a good price and/or I have a black ti-rail B.17 to 
> trade.
>
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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[David Person]

Yes Jason, the crankset is a Rene Herse.  And thanks for the compliment on 
the build.

David

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 6:04:51 PM UTC-8 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Such beauty! I have been waiting for what feels like an eternity to enter 
> the conversation with my Riv Road Custom "Blue Panda." I was waiting on the 
> last part I needed and that is the silver/black panda MKS pedals that 
> arrived today! These are the first pics, in my filthy garage. I'll get her 
> out again soon!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/mzEj6ZZE71fxKD3g9
>
> ~Rob in NW Ar
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:21:48 PM UTC-6 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> nothing is sexier than black 1st Gen Dura Ace.
>>
>> and i have two bikes with this groupaet.
>>
>> a Puch Vent Noir
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nY5DFS65ejufNYJ9A
>>
>> and a Ron Spencer shop brand (probably Harry Quinn built) 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BOg1R7vxov0u9xin2
>>
>> On Fri., Dec. 10, 2021, 11:39 a.m. Eric Marth,  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can 
>>> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars, 
>>> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a 
>>> decaf espresso type. 
>>>
>>> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black 
>>> components? 
>>>
>>> With gratitude,
>>> Eric 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

[David Person]

The Kask Mojito 3 is what I would up with.  Fits the shape of my head very 
well, when I choose to wear a helmet. Most days, I'm wearing one of these 
when I go out for a ride.

https://www.sheltahats.com/



On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Not that we're having a "which helmet should I buy" discussion, but if the 
> Riv one is too small my fat head is happy with the large Kasik Mojito. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:57:20 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
>> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
>> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
>> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
>> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
>> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
>> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
>> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
>> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
>> and good luck.*
>>
>> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has 
>> anyone tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As 
>> with bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
>> larger size.
>> Doug
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[David Person]

2014 - back surgery that ended my days riding with the local cycling club, 
which modeled the typical road riding group with club kits and racing 
bikes.  Sold my Cannondale CAAD9.  6 months later, when it looked like I 
would be able to resume bike riding in some form I desired to build up a 
bike inspired by the 70's and 80's lugged framesets I grew up with.  A Sam 
Hillborne was my 1st choice, but I had a hard time warming up to the 
sloping double top tube on the 62cm.  So I looked at other brands, but none 
had a long enough head tube which would allow me to get the bars up high, 
or they were not lugged frame sets.  I wound up ordering a Sam Hillborne 
frame set in the spring of 2015 and built it up with lots of shiny silver 
components (no black parts initially, thought that has evolved over time).  
I initially had plans on putting drop bars on it, but Keven talked me into 
trying a pair of Albatross bars, which have been on it till just recently, 
when I switched to Choco bars.  Oh, and that double top tube, it's come to 
grow on me.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:44:39 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan. Now, that article is really a blast from the past. 20 mm 
> head tube extension! High bar 4" below saddle! Looong 42.5 cm chainstays! 
> 10 mm dropouts! (One thing I disliked about the otherwise top-of-pile 1999 
> Joe Custom was the "short horizontal" dropouts as Riv used to describe 
> them. I had them replaced by specially sourced extra long ones about 35 mm 
> long.) But Lai's description of the handling certainly repeats what 
> everyone seems to say.
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:48 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
>> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
>> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
>> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>>
>> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>>  
>>
>> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
>> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>>
>> 1997 - green all-rounder 
>>
>> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>>
>> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>>
>> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
>>
>> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
>> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
>> clearly making people very happy
>>
>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
>>> grateful. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s 
 and that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led 
 me 
 to the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder 
 being 
 placed. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB Acorn Handlebar Bag

[David Person]

Success.

On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 7:19:26 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> Looking for an Acorn Bags handlebar bag in black waxed canvas.  Interested 
> in the original design, not the current burrito bag style.

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[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

[David Person]

My experience with the Thousand helmet was similar to me2gingko.  Wound up 
returning it to REI.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 6:46:15 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> I tried one. The fit seemed true front to back, but they were too round 
> for my head.
>
> I am in the middle on the helmet debate. I fell off my bike as a teenager 
> and was found unconscious on the side of the road. I was not doing anything 
> radical, just hit something uneven and slid off the pavement. I am sure a 
> helmet would have prevented a trip to the emergency room and an afternoon 
> of throwing up! But, I feel pressured to wear a helmet all the time these 
> days. If I am not on pavement with traffic, taking off a helmet is 
> liberating. I am not riskily, so #2 does not apply to me...;-)
>
> I like to watch Velocipedium on uTube toddle around on his vintage bikes 
> with a bare head. very soothing...
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 8:57:20 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
>> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
>> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
>> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
>> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
>> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
>> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
>> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
>> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
>> and good luck.*
>>
>> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has 
>> anyone tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As 
>> with bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
>> larger size.
>> Doug
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[David Person]

For me, whether or not black components work on a bike depends a lot on the 
frame color.

On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 10:53:21 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> Nice Roadini, Bones.  I'm becoming very partial to black rims with 
> machined (silver) sidewalls.
>
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 10:08:35 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Not a Rivendell but here’s my Kelly Roshambo (now with black pedals). The 
>> bike itself is kind of a coffee bean color. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2021, at 09:49, Patch T  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe Bill Lindsay will show his Amethyst Smoke Legolas with black 
>> components. I love that bike and the build he chose for it. (I love most of 
>> Bill's bikes and the builds he chooses for them.)
>>
>>
>> Patch, in NYC, who somehow feels inappropriate linking to someone else's 
>> Flickr, so won't
>>  
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reverse order.
>>> [image: DSCF0130 copy.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: DSCF0133 copy.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of each.  Hillborne with mostly silver components (though I really 
>>>> like the black Dyad Rims with silver braking surface) and Surly Disc 
>>>> Trucker with a mix of black/silver components.
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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[David Person]

Nice Roadini, Bones.  I'm becoming very partial to black rims with machined 
(silver) sidewalls.

On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 10:08:35 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> Not a Rivendell but here’s my Kelly Roshambo (now with black pedals). The 
> bike itself is kind of a coffee bean color. 
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2021, at 09:49, Patch T  wrote:
>
> Maybe Bill Lindsay will show his Amethyst Smoke Legolas with black 
> components. I love that bike and the build he chose for it. (I love most of 
> Bill's bikes and the builds he chooses for them.)
>
>
> Patch, in NYC, who somehow feels inappropriate linking to someone else's 
> Flickr, so won't
>  
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Reverse order.
>> [image: DSCF0130 copy.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> [image: DSCF0133 copy.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> One of each.  Hillborne with mostly silver components (though I really 
>>> like the black Dyad Rims with silver braking surface) and Surly Disc 
>>> Trucker with a mix of black/silver components.
>>>
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[RBW] WTB Acorn Handlebar Bag

[David Person]

Looking for an Acorn Bags handlebar bag in black waxed canvas.  Interested 
in the original design, not the current burrito bag style.

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[RBW] Re: Incoming

[David Person]

Sure, you can send a link.

David


On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:33:53 PM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

>
> David, thank you.
>
> I’ve been doing some Pilates for lower back via YouTube.  I can send you a 
> link if you like, it is way better than the excercises I have done before.  
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:41:15 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Joel, thanks for adding a picture of your Hillborne.  Very nice.  Our 
>> conditions sound quite similar.  Severe sciatica due to an unstable L5 is 
>> what caused me to have surgery (as a last resort).  I'm finding I have to 
>> do lower back, hip flexor and hamstring stretches religiously in order to 
>> keep the back from complaining.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 6:06:26 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Roberta, I do think you are correct.  I’ve been hoping to find 
>>> one of these since I have been able to ride again.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Congratulations. It sound like your quest for the perfect bike for you 
 is over. 

 On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> About 15 years ago I bought a new Saluki, very pale green.  The bike 
> was a 56cm, same as my custom but was too big.  I sold it barely used and 
> when the Bleriot was available got a 55CM.  It seemed fine but after a 10 
> year layoff due to back surgery and fear of riding and injuring my back 
> further Covid got me back out.  Since the back surgery I lost about 1 1/2 
> to 2 inches of height but that should not have affected standover.  Well 
> the Bleriot is slightly large, I have relative little if any clearance, I 
> probably was oblivious to this when I was riding it way back when, I 
> simply 
> knew it was comfortable to ride and loved it.   So a 14 year old bike 
> was ridden for about 4 years prior to a car accident and now another 2 
> seasons (with lesser miles per season due to age and physical changes).  
> It 
> was never my only bike so it had to share the miles I rode each season. 
>
> I was lucky and last week bought Johnny’s 54CM Saluki which should 
> arrive on Tuesday.  I will take the parts from the Bleriot which were 
> originally on my 56cm Saluki and put the on the pewter 54cm Saluki which 
> was originally owned by Ed Braley.  Needless to say the Bleriot frame, 
> plus 
> a headset and BB that did not come with the frame will be available.  I 
> will also have Tektro side pull brakes since the incoming uses cantis.  A 
> low mileage frame for sure.  I will post when it is ready to ship, take 
> pictures, etc.  I would say the condition is excellent for a 14 year old 
> bike with a few scratches.  More to follow.
>
> Thanks to Jonathan for his patience while I got the money to him.  
>
> JS
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[David Person]

>From a purely aesthetics point of view, gotta love the Platypus.  Great 
lines and beautiful lugs.

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:32:33 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> If you like orange, maybe also watch for a Cheviot for sale….
>
> On Dec 6, 2021, at 07:22, Laura B  wrote:
>
> Leah, your thoughts are appreciated. Do you know about orange Susie 
> frames sitting around??? I have read most of the threads on these models 
> and know how much everyone loves their bikes. It is what makes a decision 
> so difficult. My thinking changes by the hour! Laing hit all of the factors 
> that MIGHT make the Susie disappointing for my personal needs. I worry 
> about the higher BB and loss of step-thru qualities. It is also closest to 
> my vintage MTB that I have already upgraded with new 26” rims and RH 2.3" 
> knobby tires. I have a 1 by 11 derailleur, cassette & shifter sitting in a 
> box that will either go on a Susie or my current vintage. I am absolutely 
> in love with the filet brazing, but that is not necessarily a reason to buy 
> a frame… ;-)
>
>
> In my heart, I do not want either to be an all-rounder!!! I want two 
> distinct bicycles. I arrived at that criteria to keep the expenses down. I 
> also have the derailleurs & cassette for a 2 by 11 speed drivetrain. It was 
> always meant for a road-ish bicycle with 42-48mm smooth tires and fenders… 
> sounds perfect for a Platypus!
>
> At the moment, I am thinking I will complete my 1 by 11 vintage MTB build 
> and wait for when a Platypus is back in stock. I will give me that district 
> Rivendell geometry that I can not duplicate in the vintage bikes. If the 
> Riv gods smile upon me, an all-is-sunny-in-the-world *orange* will be an 
> option. Since I have been collecting quality components, I am not 
> interested in spending money on a complete build. BTW, my size is 50cm… if 
> anyone has frames sitting around!
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:17:44 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Laura, 
>>
>> Everyone here has given you sound replies. But again, we are back to 
>> availability of the bicycle. Would you be interested in purchasing an 
>> orange Susie and riding it until the Platys come to Riv? Rivendells hold 
>> their value and have great resale. I really think you could sell the Susie 
>> if an orange Platy comes your way. The other thing that was mentioned is a 
>> Clem L. You’ll have to buy used unless Rivendell has one hiding in a box 
>> somewhere (and they might, seeing as they just got an assortment in last 
>> week). It can definitely handle trails and has the fantastic step-through 
>> frame and big tire capability. It is a smaller investment and you might be 
>> able to have BOTH a Platy and a Clem. Coincidentally, I have both a Platy 
>> and a Clem and they make me deliriously happy.
>>
>> Ben in Omaha mentioned a new version of a Platy rumored to come out. That 
>> was Rivendell’s  Rosco version of the Platypus, beefier tubes and fork, and 
>> TIG welded. That project has been put on hold indefinitely, sigh. 
>>
>> Let us know what you’re thinking because this is a really fun thread! I 
>> enjoy the discussion about options and desires for favorite colors, etc. 
>> I’m cheering for you from here - I hope you get exactly the perfect bike.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2021, at 5:47 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> The biggest difference will be the bottom bracket height and 
>> step-through ability. The Suzie is more attuned to off-road with a higher 
>> bottom bracket and will have a higher center of gravity to go along with 
>> the better ground clearance. The Platypus will have a lower center of 
>> gravity and a more typical Rivendell ride. I believe the Platypus has a 
>> lower step-though as well. 
>>
>>
>> No aggressive single track, no severe off road - go with the Platypus. I 
>> don't have a Suzie nor a Platypus, but I do have a Gus Boots Wilsen and a 
>> Betty Foy, which is a similar comparison. Subjectively, the Gus seems kind 
>> of tall and tippy in tight in-town maneuvers compared to the Betty. If you 
>> cannot decide, get a Clem L (I also have a Clementine) - best step-through 
>> ability of all.
>>
>> If in still doubt, always go with the lugged bicycle - Platypus, but as 
>> others have pointed out - there is no bad choice here.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
>>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
>>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
>>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>>
>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed 
>>> sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>>
>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and th

[RBW] Re: Incoming

[David Person]

Joel, thanks for adding a picture of your Hillborne.  Very nice.  Our 
conditions sound quite similar.  Severe sciatica due to an unstable L5 is 
what caused me to have surgery (as a last resort).  I'm finding I have to 
do lower back, hip flexor and hamstring stretches religiously in order to 
keep the back from complaining.

David

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 6:06:26 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Roberta, I do think you are correct.  I’ve been hoping to find one 
> of these since I have been able to ride again.  
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Congratulations. It sound like your quest for the perfect bike for you is 
>> over. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> About 15 years ago I bought a new Saluki, very pale green.  The bike was 
>>> a 56cm, same as my custom but was too big.  I sold it barely used and when 
>>> the Bleriot was available got a 55CM.  It seemed fine but after a 10 year 
>>> layoff due to back surgery and fear of riding and injuring my back further 
>>> Covid got me back out.  Since the back surgery I lost about 1 1/2 to 2 
>>> inches of height but that should not have affected standover.  Well the 
>>> Bleriot is slightly large, I have relative little if any clearance, I 
>>> probably was oblivious to this when I was riding it way back when, I simply 
>>> knew it was comfortable to ride and loved it.   So a 14 year old bike 
>>> was ridden for about 4 years prior to a car accident and now another 2 
>>> seasons (with lesser miles per season due to age and physical changes).  It 
>>> was never my only bike so it had to share the miles I rode each season. 
>>>
>>> I was lucky and last week bought Johnny’s 54CM Saluki which should 
>>> arrive on Tuesday.  I will take the parts from the Bleriot which were 
>>> originally on my 56cm Saluki and put the on the pewter 54cm Saluki which 
>>> was originally owned by Ed Braley.  Needless to say the Bleriot frame, plus 
>>> a headset and BB that did not come with the frame will be available.  I 
>>> will also have Tektro side pull brakes since the incoming uses cantis.  A 
>>> low mileage frame for sure.  I will post when it is ready to ship, take 
>>> pictures, etc.  I would say the condition is excellent for a 14 year old 
>>> bike with a few scratches.  More to follow.
>>>
>>> Thanks to Jonathan for his patience while I got the money to him.  
>>>
>>> JS
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[David Person]

I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time.  Had to 
deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 559s.  Off 
pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The smooth treaded 
Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down tube took a beating.

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame purchase! 
>
> My thoughts: 
> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires run 
> bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd be 
> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
> realized. 
> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
> Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not up on 
> the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that Paul 
> pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>
> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off 
>> ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>
>>
>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>> RH Oracle ridge
>> Shimano nexave RD
>> RH 42-26 cranks
>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>> Silver bar end shifters
>> Nitto noodle bars
>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>> TRP rrl brake levers
>> Paul components racers
>>
>> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you have 
>> ordered one too how are you building it ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[David Person]

"Ben, who bought a couple 5mm bolts for his seatpost a while back because 
he thought the hex key size = bolt size."

But the 5mm are useful for so many other things on the bike.  Mounting 
racks, water bottle cages, fenders.
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:03:41 PM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> You got it! 
>
> Ben, who bought a couple 5mm bolts for his seatpost a while back because 
> he thought the hex key size = bolt size. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 10:13 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ben!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> M6 (that takes a 5mm hex).
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT 
 A Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot 
 find my calipers. 

 I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size 
 to order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .   
 https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps

 Thanks,
 Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving rides? and a Platy goes on 1st cruise

[David Person]

Looks like a great time, with some great bikes.  Santa Ana winds were 
howling here in So. Cal yesterday, so no turkey day ride for me.  We were 
just thankful SCE did not shut off our electricity.

On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:27:13 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Clems and Platys and do it all bikes! The Platypus salute is perfect! 
> Thanks for sharing the photos. I did not get to do a Thanksgiving ride but 
> do plan to get some miles in this weekend.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 9:04:25 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, this warms my post-turkey Thanksgiving heart. A Clem AND a Platy and 
>> #RivSisters and a new Platy owner salute. Way to make my night! Since this 
>> Platy is on its first cruise, I’m curious where your friend found it. They 
>> are so, so rare. I’ve been keeping an eye out a couple of people just 
>> pining for the enigmatic and coveted Rivendell Platypus. I’m so glad your 
>> friend found her very own. Is this her first Rivendell?
>>
>> Also, I have never ever seen a Saddlesack put on the handlebars! Very 
>> creative, and it looks like it will work great. 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-8 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone get any nice Thanksgiving rides in yesterday? Care to share?!
>>>
>>> We took a nice ride along the East Branch of the Westfield River in 
>>> Chesterfield, MA. 12 miles roundtrip on an old truck road. Picnic on a 
>>> sandbar. Probably picked up some ticks too! I've never been here, I have no 
>>> real connection to MA, and it was, dare I say, gorges? (nyuk nyuk nyuk, 
>>> with apologies to Ithaca) Someone inaugurated their Platypus on the ride as 
>>> well! Stupendous! Thanksgiving rides are the best.
>>>
>>> Yup, all drivetrain side down at Picnic Time. There was another bike but 
>>> off frame. That's my Clem in the front and my older Surly CC with a Alfine 
>>> 8 and Albatross bars that is now basically my brothers bike since he 
>>> commandeered it from me two years ago and hasn't given it back:
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_191837010.jpg]
>>>
>>> Proud new Platypus owner! "My wrists didn't hurt!" and "I can't believe 
>>> I rode 12 miles over all those rocks and I feel fine today" means that we 
>>> have achieved SUCCESS:
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_192734966.jpg]
>>>
>>> Displaying the "International Signal for Saluting Fellow Platypus 
>>> Riders:"
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_193218705.jpg]
>>>
>>> Some scenery. I should have taken more pictures but we were riding and 
>>> having a good time. No sense in ruining moments to stop. Live in the moment 
>>> and all that. The bikes got good and muddy, as did our backsides. Wicked 
>>> comfortable mounts for this type of riding. 
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_194032671.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[David Person]

"A well respected bike mechanic told me to regrease the seat post and rub 
some dirt in it. "

I've found anti-seize or no-seize lubricant (the stuff you are supposed to 
put on the treads of spark plugs when changing them) to provide the right 
amount of stiction to keep seat posts from slipping.

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 12:09:50 PM UTC-8 johanne...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have been suspecting the tiniest bit of slippage on my Clem H, but I 
> have been playing with position and saddles so it has been hard to tell. I 
> marked the seat post with a sharpie the other day to find out once and for 
> all. I also cranked the bolt down pretty tight, so hopefully that helps. 
>
> I had the level of slippage that you are describing on a Rawland with a 
> Thompson seat post. A well respected bike mechanic told me to regrease the 
> seat post and rub some dirt in it. Lo and behold, it worked! While I am 
> sure some people are whingeing, it seemed so much more ingenious tome me 
> than the coke can method. If there is slippage on my Clem, it will get the 
> dirt!
>
> Good luck,
>
> Joe in SF
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 11:19:42 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Good luck! I've experienced seatpost slippage enough that I know the 
>> discouragement that accompanies it. 
>>
>> Aside, anecdote, non-essential, FWIW, ignore safely: The last time my 
>> post slipped was on the inaugural ride of the Monocog 29er (late Oct 2020, 
>> in fact) that I'd traded onlist for an unsellable frameset. I was 3 miles 
>> in and things were not going well: the riding position, the tires, the Q, 
>> the grossly overwide bar -- all was just wrong, wrong, wrong. Add to that 
>> that it was a raw, cold day (late 2020) and the trails were half-frozen 
>> ruts mixed with just-thawed mud. And I was out of shape, and it was a grey, 
>> raw, humid, cold winter day.
>>
>> So when about the 3-mile point I realized that I was now 1/2 to 1" lower 
>> than before, the sordid unpleasantness of the situation dug itself further 
>> into my brain. I stopped and raised the post, rode, slipped, stopped etc 
>> again; finally made it back home thinking, "This trade was a huge failure."
>>
>> I solved the slippage with a beefier clamp, and as you've heard, after 
>> much tweaking the Monocog is now a beloved part of my 4 1/2-bike stable, 
>> and only needs a new frame and new wheelset to make it perfect. (Rear 
>> triangle to accommodate true 76 mm/3" tires with air, and new wheels to 
>> accommodate the 3" WTB Rangers without either tubes or the anxieties of 
>> "ghetto" tubeless tire installation *AND* that let the Rangers expand 
>> 5-10 mm more to their true potential; the OEM wheels are made of Alex 24 mm 
>> outside rims not designed for tubeless tires.)
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:43 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the thoughts, Patrick. After talking with Will today, I'm 
>>> going the knurled seat post route through Rivendell.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 11:46:23 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I've had seatposts slip and fixed them in 4 ways:

 1. Clamps with integrated bolt: Lots of blue Loctite, tho' I think 
 there may be a (green?) version meant just for this.

 Fiber gel meant for CF seatposts also seemed to work, but I didn't rely 
 on that as long as I did the blue Loctite. Blue L did work, but use it 
 liberally.

 2. Separate clamps: Buy a stouter one and tighten it harder. This 
 worked with my Chauncey Curtrivroadclone with elegant, delicate, relieved 
 external clamp that would not tighten down hard enough -- in fact I 
 cracked 
 it, then bought a beefy one and that has worked fine.

 3. Shim. Beer can (soda cans are not worthy of Rivendells) metal did 
 work, but this is cheesy. 

 4. Get a new seatpost (see immediately below). My ultra-expensive and 
 ultra-light and ultra-elegant Syncro ti seatpost kept slipping, about 1/2" 
 per mile, on one of my road bikes, and after playing with shims and 
 Loctite 
 I replaced it with an American Classic in aluminum that fit fine. Both 
 27.2 
 mm.

 While seatpost and seattube combinations have the infinite variety of 
 personality types and sand grains on the beach, this problem does come up 
 often enough on this list that I'd think Riv would want to add the matter 
 to their FAQ page.

 On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 7:33 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> I'm having the same issue on two bikes, a 2019 Atlantis with 26.8mm 
> tube and a 2013 Sam with 27.2mm. Kalloy posts on both bikes. I reset my 
> SH 
> last night, marked it with a sharpie, and the sharpie mark was buried in 
> the seat post after a my 3 mile ride. Now...I'm 210 pounds so I get that 
> I'm going to stress that connection more than most folks. But...I 
> unweight 
> the saddle on rough spots and bumps and try to keep a lot of 

[RBW] Re: BOB List

[David Person]

https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 10:38:37 AM UTC-8 Jock Dewey wrote:

> Hey, Y'all:
>
> I somehow lost my connection to the BOB list. And I can't find the link to 
> get back on. I have found an old one, but it pops up 'content unavailable.'
>
> Can one of you good folks help me out? Many tanx.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa video

[David Person]

Well done Eric.  The time spent taking the time lapse video really shows.  

David

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> Awesome, awesome, awesome video!
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone -- I made a video about my Appaloosa which I got new this 
>> summer and had built up at Rivendell. Shows the unpacking and assembly 
>> along with some riding footage from out here in Virginia! 
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNmhe_hEQ48
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bars For Sam

[David Person]

6’-2” with 95cm PBH.  62cm Sam (2015 model).  Started with Nitto drops with 
100mm Tallis.  Switched to Albatross bars pretty quickly, same stem. 
 Recently switched to Choco bars with 110mm Nitto Fillet FacePlater stem. 
 I have the Choco bars mounted ‘upside down’ as I like the angle it places 
my wrists in.  My preferred hand location is at or ahead of the brake 
levers.  Needed the FacePlater stem to keep the bars (at the grips) at the 
same height as the Alba/Tallux combination.  

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 5:23:42 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Richard!
> I really like Chocos for what you're describing. They have a great flat 
> next-to-stem position you mentioned, as well as a really nice position 
> around the bends that is kind of like the hoods on drops. Then you have 
> your nice upright position on the grips, too. I have Chocos on my MIT 
> Atlantis, and I use all three positions (though I usually split time 
> between using the grips and the bends). 
>
> When you say the bike is too big, I'm assuming you just feel too stretched 
> out horizontally. If that's the case, I like what Jason did with a shorter 
> stem. I'm very similar to your build (93.5 PBH, 6'3") and I have a 62cm Sam 
> with a 9cm stem and Noodles and I feel like it's just perfect. I know 
> geometries might not be exactly the same on our Sams and I do have long 
> arms and am a touch taller...but if you could get the bars 4-5 cm closer, 
> do you think that'd do the trick?
>
> Good luck! 
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 2:10:48 PM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> I have a 62cm Sam frame that I built up with Drop bars (Noodles) and it 
>> just felt too big for me. I Was going to sell it but I'm thinking maybe I 
>> should try some more upright bars before I let it go.
>>  I am 6'-02" with a 93cm PBH. I have a 64 cm MIT Atlantis and a 64cm 
>> Rambo that are very comfortable for me with 10cm stem and Noodle bars.
>>  The effective TT length is 61.5 on the Sam frame opposed to 59-60 on the 
>> other two frames. Thinking I'd like to try Bosco or Choco bars and a 
>> shorter stem.
>>  I have always used drop bars. Have a set of Moustache bars that I tried 
>> and couldn't get comfortable with. I would like to have a flat section 
>> close to the stem so the 2 bars I mentioned look like they are the ones to 
>> try.
>> Anyone else gone through this when trying to get comfortable on the newer 
>> sloped top tube Riv frames?
>>  Anybody have some wide Choco or Bosco bars they want to sell or trade?
>> I have a like new Moustache and some Noodle bars to swap.
>>
>> Richard Borneman
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[David Person]

38mm Barlow Pass fit fine with fenders on my 62cm Sam with sidepull 
brakes.  44mm Snoqualmie Pass only fit when the fenders were removed.

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> that's a great looking bike.  congrats!
>
> i swapped out dura-ace barends for silver1 (downtube) shifters on my homer 
> without issue.  totally straightforward.  if you do so and are looking to 
> rehome the shimanos, i'll take 'em off your hands!
>
> in my experience, you can't go wrong with the 38mm rene herse tires, 
> especially if you're looking to zippy it up and complement the atlantis.  
> they'd almost certainly feel livelier than the schwalbes.
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

I should have said "Arigatōgozaimashita"

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7 David Person wrote:

> Looks like it is.  Thanks.
>
> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:13:33 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I believe this is it.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/6lmLbScZruQ
>>
>> Hugh n LA
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 10:11 AM David Person  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have the link to the 2nd video?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:07:59 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> I watched both videos and yes noticed the Grant Peterson comment. 
>>>> Really fun behind the scenes video, not just us:)  I especially liked the 
>>>> president (I assume) talking about handle bar trends and curious origin 
>>>> story's of particular products. I thought his discussion on titanium was 
>>>> particularly interesting as well.
>>>>
>>>> I purchased a nos Suntour pro xc 26.8 post from eBay apparently a list 
>>>> member.
>>>>
>>>> Hugh n LA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 8:40 AM David Person  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In the latest email from Will "See you in Philly" he includes a link 
>>>>> to a YouTube video of a visit by Blue Lug to the Nitto factory.  
>>>>> Interesting video should the process for making many of their items.  
>>>>> At15:40 into to video, Grant is called out by name for switching to 
>>>>> 26.8mm 
>>>>> seat posts and how they wished he would go back to 27.2mm.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYIV6O6tOvY
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it? I've got two bikes with that seatpost size (maybe 3, once I 
>>>>>> get the seatpost clamp rounded out). And I don't even own an old Cinelli 
>>>>>> with fastback stays, which famously use 26.2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter "statements from owners of multiple French bikes should be 
>>>>>> treated as anecdotes, not as dispositive evidence" Adler
>>>>>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave, *who when he sees a car with a 26.2 sticker on the rear tends 
>>>>>>> to think “Now that’s a rare seatpost size”*
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

Looks like it is.  Thanks.

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:13:33 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> David,
>
> I believe this is it.
>
> https://youtu.be/6lmLbScZruQ
>
> Hugh n LA
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 10:11 AM David Person  wrote:
>
>> Do you have the link to the 2nd video?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:07:59 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I watched both videos and yes noticed the Grant Peterson comment. Really 
>>> fun behind the scenes video, not just us:)  I especially liked the 
>>> president (I assume) talking about handle bar trends and curious origin 
>>> story's of particular products. I thought his discussion on titanium was 
>>> particularly interesting as well.
>>>
>>> I purchased a nos Suntour pro xc 26.8 post from eBay apparently a list 
>>> member.
>>>
>>> Hugh n LA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 8:40 AM David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the latest email from Will "See you in Philly" he includes a link to 
>>>> a YouTube video of a visit by Blue Lug to the Nitto factory.  Interesting 
>>>> video should the process for making many of their items.  At15:40 into to 
>>>> video, Grant is called out by name for switching to 26.8mm seat posts and 
>>>> how they wished he would go back to 27.2mm.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYIV6O6tOvY
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is it? I've got two bikes with that seatpost size (maybe 3, once I get 
>>>>> the seatpost clamp rounded out). And I don't even own an old Cinelli with 
>>>>> fastback stays, which famously use 26.2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter "statements from owners of multiple French bikes should be 
>>>>> treated as anecdotes, not as dispositive evidence" Adler
>>>>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave, *who when he sees a car with a 26.2 sticker on the rear tends 
>>>>>> to think “Now that’s a rare seatpost size”*
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

Do you have the link to the 2nd video?

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:07:59 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> David,
>
> I watched both videos and yes noticed the Grant Peterson comment. Really 
> fun behind the scenes video, not just us:)  I especially liked the 
> president (I assume) talking about handle bar trends and curious origin 
> story's of particular products. I thought his discussion on titanium was 
> particularly interesting as well.
>
> I purchased a nos Suntour pro xc 26.8 post from eBay apparently a list 
> member.
>
> Hugh n LA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 8:40 AM David Person  wrote:
>
>> In the latest email from Will "See you in Philly" he includes a link to a 
>> YouTube video of a visit by Blue Lug to the Nitto factory.  Interesting 
>> video should the process for making many of their items.  At15:40 into to 
>> video, Grant is called out by name for switching to 26.8mm seat posts and 
>> how they wished he would go back to 27.2mm.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYIV6O6tOvY
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it? I've got two bikes with that seatpost size (maybe 3, once I get 
>>> the seatpost clamp rounded out). And I don't even own an old Cinelli with 
>>> fastback stays, which famously use 26.2.
>>>
>>> Peter "statements from owners of multiple French bikes should be treated 
>>> as anecdotes, not as dispositive evidence" Adler
>>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave, *who when he sees a car with a 26.2 sticker on the rear tends to 
>>>> think “Now that’s a rare seatpost size”*
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

Oh yeah, be sure to turn on Closed Caption in order to get english 
subtitles.

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 8:40:16 AM UTC-7 David Person wrote:

> In the latest email from Will "See you in Philly" he includes a link to a 
> YouTube video of a visit by Blue Lug to the Nitto factory.  Interesting 
> video should the process for making many of their items.  At15:40 into to 
> video, Grant is called out by name for switching to 26.8mm seat posts and 
> how they wished he would go back to 27.2mm.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYIV6O6tOvY
>
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Is it? I've got two bikes with that seatpost size (maybe 3, once I get 
>> the seatpost clamp rounded out). And I don't even own an old Cinelli with 
>> fastback stays, which famously use 26.2.
>>
>> Peter "statements from owners of multiple French bikes should be treated 
>> as anecdotes, not as dispositive evidence" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, *who when he sees a car with a 26.2 sticker on the rear tends to 
>>> think “Now that’s a rare seatpost size”*
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

In the latest email from Will "See you in Philly" he includes a link to a 
YouTube video of a visit by Blue Lug to the Nitto factory.  Interesting 
video should the process for making many of their items.  At15:40 into to 
video, Grant is called out by name for switching to 26.8mm seat posts and 
how they wished he would go back to 27.2mm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYIV6O6tOvY

On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is it? I've got two bikes with that seatpost size (maybe 3, once I get the 
> seatpost clamp rounded out). And I don't even own an old Cinelli with 
> fastback stays, which famously use 26.2.
>
> Peter "statements from owners of multiple French bikes should be treated 
> as anecdotes, not as dispositive evidence" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 1:13:19 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> Dave, *who when he sees a car with a 26.2 sticker on the rear tends to 
>> think “Now that’s a rare seatpost size”*
>>
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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[David Person]

Filled with envy.  Enjoy!

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 2:44:33 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> 2 more things to note:
> Ride your bike to the Expo and stop by the Cycling Savvy Booth and show 
> (or buy) a Bike Benefits sticker and get a raffle ticket to win some fun 
> prizes.  I'm bringing small things I carry on my bike like a John's Irish 
> strap as a prize for example.
>
> Sat night I've invited the Riv folks to dinner.  Everyone is welcome to 
> join.  We'll need to plan a time and place.  Let me know if you're coming 
> and if you have food restrictions, preferences.  If folks are on foot, let 
> us know so we can stay close by.  I don't have a phone but if I'm in wifi I 
> can get messages (980 288 4801 <(980)%20288-4801>) and email.  If someone 
> would like to take charge on this, please do.
>
> Sun - I'll be presenting at 1:30.  Please come see me and my Betty.
>
> I hope to see y'all there.
>
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring 
>> your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30 
>> near Girard/Kelly.
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
>> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
>> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
>> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Surly Long Haul trucker

[David Person]

Congratulations, Andrew.  

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I was lucky enough to find a gent who is very excited to buy this bike for 
> a tour. It’s on its way to ABQ
> Thanks for all the input !
>
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:31:55 AM UTC-4 rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've had a couple 26" LHTs.  Fine enough bikes but not the same ride as a 
>> Rivendell.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:24:56 PM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>>> This topic is definitely interesting to me. I have a circa 2017 26" Disc 
>>> Trucker, and I've been debating whether I should replace it with an 
>>> Atlantis or maybe an Appaloosa. The input here is making it sound like I 
>>> may not notice too much difference between my DT and either of those bikes, 
>>> maybe I can hold off my new bike lust for a bit longer.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:10 PM Andrew Huston  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ron, I agree. This is an unassuming bike that can get plenty done with 
 basic stuff. I love that people build it with so many different ideas and 
 make it quite a unique canvas. 

 On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 12:57:05 PM UTC-4 nkni...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_1292.jpg]
>
> One more try, thanks Google.
>
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-5 Navin Nestle wrote:
>
>> [image: 9FBDDBA4-4F4D-416B-BD97-8485B3752479.jpeg]
>> Truckers are definitely the unsung hero of the Surly lineup. Here’s 
>> mine 
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 10:08:28 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This past August I purchased a 64cm Disc Trucker frameset, the newer 
>>> version with thru-axles.   I built it up with same handlebars, 
>>> seatpost, 
>>> seat, pedals, tires as my 62cm Sam Hillborne (2015 double TT).  
>>> Surprisingly, the two weigh and ride quite similarly.  Got the DT 
>>> frameset 
>>> to have a second bike that would fit fenders with Snoqualmie Pass 
>>> tires.  
>>> When I moved up from Barlow Pass to Snoqualmie Pass on the SH, fenders 
>>> would no longer fit.
>>>
>>> I was concerned about how the DT would ride with it's oversize 
>>> tubing, but I find it rides great.  the SH has an oversize down tube of 
>>> 31.8mm like the DT and 2 top tubes of 28.6mm vs the single top tube of 
>>> 31.8mm on the DT, but I think the top tube on the DT is thinner gauge, 
>>> justing by the pitch of ring when tapping on it.  Seat tube on both are 
>>> 28.6mm.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 4:21:04 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>>
 That was a color but I believe for the first gen midnight special. 


 On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 7:08:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I might be trippin' but I think Surly called this color Hot 
> Mayonnaise. 
>
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 3:37:47 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston 
> wrote:
>
>> I managed to get a green which I am very excited for. Your web 
>> special looks killer with this big tires!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats Andrew on the Clem purchase. Which color did you 
>>> select? 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-4 Andrew Huston 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I was looking for an all around type bike and happened to find 
 a NOS 54 LHT. While it was being packed and shipped I got in on 
 the Clem 
 Lotto and was fortunate to snag a complete. I definitely do not 
 need both 
 now and looking to sell. Box is packed and ready to you out. I 
 paid $1500 
 total and I’d like to not take a bath so asking same-ish 
 considering 
 shipping etc. discontinued model at this point. Don’t have a photo 
 due to 
 being boxed so please use google to see images. Build is as follows


- Shimano 3 x 9 drivetrain bar-end shifters LX hubs and 
rear derailleur
- 100% Surly 4130 chromoly steel. Main triangle double 
butted. Fork is lugged and brazed
- Tektro CR720 canti brakes and Michelin City 26 x 1.85" 
tires
- Microshift  bar end shifters 

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[David Person]

Hi Ben, I have a 62cm sidepull Sam frame/fork form Riv in the spring of 
2015.  Here are the specs I've measured directly from my bike, which line 
up pretty well with the current canti version.


Head Angle = 72
Seat Angle = 71.5
Seat Tube = 62cm 
Eff TT = 627mm
BB Drop = 73mm 
HT Length = 260mm 
WB= 1106mm 
CS = 463mm 
FC = 653mm 
Stack = 684mm 
Reach = 390mm

David


On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green 
> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double 
> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) 
> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. 
> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there 
> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage green 
> bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage 
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me 
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they 
> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just 
> curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have 
> to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Surly Long Haul trucker

[David Person]

This past August I purchased a 64cm Disc Trucker frameset, the newer 
version with thru-axles.   I built it up with same handlebars, seatpost, 
seat, pedals, tires as my 62cm Sam Hillborne (2015 double TT).  
Surprisingly, the two weigh and ride quite similarly.  Got the DT frameset 
to have a second bike that would fit fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires.  
When I moved up from Barlow Pass to Snoqualmie Pass on the SH, fenders 
would no longer fit.

I was concerned about how the DT would ride with it's oversize tubing, but 
I find it rides great.  the SH has an oversize down tube of 31.8mm like the 
DT and 2 top tubes of 28.6mm vs the single top tube of 31.8mm on the DT, 
but I think the top tube on the DT is thinner gauge, justing by the pitch 
of ring when tapping on it.  Seat tube on both are 28.6mm.

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 4:21:04 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:

> That was a color but I believe for the first gen midnight special. 
>
>
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 7:08:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I might be trippin' but I think Surly called this color Hot Mayonnaise. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 3:37:47 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>> I managed to get a green which I am very excited for. Your web special 
>>> looks killer with this big tires!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Congrats Andrew on the Clem purchase. Which color did you select? 
 Doug

 On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I was looking for an all around type bike and happened to find a NOS 
> 54 LHT. While it was being packed and shipped I got in on the Clem Lotto 
> and was fortunate to snag a complete. I definitely do not need both now 
> and 
> looking to sell. Box is packed and ready to you out. I paid $1500 total 
> and 
> I’d like to not take a bath so asking same-ish considering shipping etc. 
> discontinued model at this point. Don’t have a photo due to being boxed 
> so 
> please use google to see images. Build is as follows
>
>
>- Shimano 3 x 9 drivetrain bar-end shifters LX hubs and rear 
>derailleur
>- 100% Surly 4130 chromoly steel. Main triangle double butted. 
>Fork is lugged and brazed
>- Tektro CR720 canti brakes and Michelin City 26 x 1.85" tires
>- Microshift  bar end shifters 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS :: Nitto Drop Handlebars mainly NEW

[David Person]

You could start a Nitto handlebar lending library with that selection of 
bars.

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 8:06:56 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hello!
>
> A bunch of Nitto handlebars for sale today, almost all brand new or near 
> new. Most are 26.0mm, with some 25.4mm. All prices include shipping in 
> CONUS (and that’s not inexpensive for box sizes that can hold a handlebar) 
> if you cover the Paypal fee.
>
> All questions quickly answered. No photos today, but if you need, just ask.
>
> Dave, who once again is reminded of Nitto's unique place in the bicycle 
> world
> + + + + + + + +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> *DG = double-groove*
> *SG = single-groove*
> *Width/Reach/Drop (center-to-center)*
>
>
>1. Nitto M151 – 44/76/128 silver SG 26.0 – Near new  $42 
>2. Nitto M179 STI – 42/80/131 silver DG 26.0 – NEW  $77 
>3. Nitto M190 Euro80 – 42/80/138 silver DG 26.0 – NEW  $65 
>4. Nitto Model 175 Deep Drop – 42 silver 26.0 – Excellent  $33 
>5. Nitto Model 185 Shallow Drop – 42/80/130 silver 26.0 - NEW  $40 
>6. Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop – 46/52 drops/ends silver 26.0 – Near new  
>$52 
>7. Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop – 42/48 drops/ends silver 26.0 – Excellent  
>$44 
>8. Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop – 42/48 drops/ends silver 26.0 – Very good  
>$38 
>9. Nitto Grand Raundoneur - 36/42 drops/ends silver 25.4 – NEW  $47 
>10. Nitto Classic B115 – 45/115/145 silver 25.4 – NEW  $38 
>11. Nitto Classic B115 – 42/115/145 silver 25.4 – NEW  $36 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New Clem Day Coming

[David Person]

A 52cm in blue was just put up on the Riv site.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/riv-garage-sale/products/52cm-clem-l-rbw-blue-web-special?mc_cid=31a7414f90&mc_eid=6a397e9af1


On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 2:48:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That sir is a fine low-step bicycle in an most excellent color. Congrats!!!
>
> Joe "low stepper" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 2:30:10 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Well, I just snagged a web special Clem. A 52 lime green with a few 
>> upgrades over the stock Clem that I wanted. 1x10 gearing and Cliffhanger 
>> wheels. Check it out: 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/riv-garage-sale/products/52cm-clem-l-web-special
>>
>> Joe and Leah I finally got a low top tube Riv! 
>>
>> Doug 
>> Athens, Ga
>>
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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

You'll have to post pics, Laing.

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 7:54:44 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID of 
> the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake,  had the same lugs 
> as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost.
> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I am 
> going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine 
> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till 
> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the 
> black Clementine.
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th last 
>> year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they changed 
>> the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 Hillborne 
>> (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different style 
>> than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice the 
>> Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both 
>> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
>> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
>> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
>> Definitely limits ones options.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect 
>>> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker 
>>> tube and thinner post. 
>>>
>>> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago 
 when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell 
 (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and 
 was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has 
 been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the 
 Bombadil 
 with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 
 26.8. 
 I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat 
 tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
 frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't 
 scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple 
 of 
 evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
 Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
 custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
 seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended 
 up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I 
 grew 
 up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part 
 of 
 cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning 
 multiple 
 bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 
 26.4 
 Campagnolo Record seatpost.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring 
>> bike designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.
>>
> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 
>


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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[David Person]

Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th last 
year.  I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they changed 
the style of the seat lug.  The ends of the seat stays on my 2015 Hillborne 
(sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a different style 
than the current models.  I assumed that was the reason, but I notice the 
Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but both 
those frame take 26.8mm seatposts.  Seems odd that the wall thickness used 
in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess it 
did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts.  Anyhow, I'm with you on this.  
Definitely limits ones options.

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect that 
> Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence thicker tube 
> and thinner post. 
>
> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, please! 
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years ago when 
>> they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st Rivendell (of 
>> 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam Hillborne in 2011 and was 
>> 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat tube since has been 
>> 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 and the Bombadil with 
>> a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged seatpost in 26.8. I 
>> put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by honing the ID if the seat 
>> tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use the hone on all my 
>> frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so that the frames don't 
>> scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It just took a couple of 
>> evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the diameter. The 
>> Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes and seat posts. My 
>> custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle and uses a 29.0 
>> seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting search - ended 
>> up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus MTB seatpost. I grew 
>> up on French bicycles, so alternate component standards were always part of 
>> cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google than telephoning multiple 
>> bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in the seventies to get a 26.4 
>> Campagnolo Record seatpost.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring bike 
 designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm seatpost.

>>> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WANTED: White Industries VBC Silver Crank Arms 170mm

[David Person]

I ordered my VBC crankarms from this eBay seller and they arrive quickly.  
I ordered the chainrings from the avt.bike site that Hugh lists above.  
Yes, the crankarms are $10 more that retail, but free shipping, so there is 
that.



On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-7 David Person wrote:

> Ebay.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/373514908021?hash=item56f7393175:g:TgIAAOSwRq9dRD5o
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:19:56 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I think these are pretty hard to come by and it's my thinking if someone 
>> has a set it's gonna be in use. I have a set currently in use on my 
>> Atlantis. I'm building another bike up and just ordered 
>> another WI VBC crankset from 
>> https://avt.bike/collections/white-industries-cranksets/products/white-industries-vbc-crankset.
>>  
>> Not cheap and there's a 12 week wait but so far the best I could find.
>>
>> I've never ordered from this company but they seem legit and another list 
>> member I know ordered a set and received his crank so there's that.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Hugh n LA
>>
>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 9:09:38 AM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> Need these as the final puzzle piece for my 2021 Appaloosa. 
>>>
>>> Made a post months ago that has yet to be approved, so here we are 
>>> again. The last post had a laundry list, this has only my crank arms.
>>>
>>> I'm open to condition - i already have the rings and bolts - just need 
>>> the arms and the lockring.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WANTED: White Industries VBC Silver Crank Arms 170mm

[David Person]

Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373514908021?hash=item56f7393175:g:TgIAAOSwRq9dRD5o

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:19:56 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> I think these are pretty hard to come by and it's my thinking if someone 
> has a set it's gonna be in use. I have a set currently in use on my 
> Atlantis. I'm building another bike up and just ordered 
> another WI VBC crankset from 
> https://avt.bike/collections/white-industries-cranksets/products/white-industries-vbc-crankset.
>  
> Not cheap and there's a 12 week wait but so far the best I could find.
>
> I've never ordered from this company but they seem legit and another list 
> member I know ordered a set and received his crank so there's that.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh n LA
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 9:09:38 AM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> Need these as the final puzzle piece for my 2021 Appaloosa. 
>>
>> Made a post months ago that has yet to be approved, so here we are again. 
>> The last post had a laundry list, this has only my crank arms.
>>
>> I'm open to condition - i already have the rings and bolts - just need 
>> the arms and the lockring.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Fillet Face Plater Stem 25.4/110mm

[David Person]

Bump.  Still searching.  "Looking for love in all the wrong places".
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-7 David Person wrote:

> Been waiting on RivBike to get them back in stock, but throwing it out to 
> the Riv universe if anyone has one in nice condition they wish to part with.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: rack for platypus

[David Person]

Northwest Bicycles sells several versions and sized of of the Pelago 
Commuter racks.  In silver and black. Aluminum and stainless steal.


https://northwestbicycle.com/pages/search-results-page?q=pelago

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:33:46 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I have one of these that is collecting dust in my interior space, a VO 
> porteur rack with the fence piece
> Velo Orange Porteur Rack (velo-orange.com) 
> 
>
> Mike SLO CA
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:25:08 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I just removed a Pelago commuter rack from a bike I sold (1990 
>> Stumpjumper). It was a handsome, sturdy rack with a lot of mounting 
>> options. Unfortunately it was designated for use on my beater bike, and 
>> didn’t work with the canti brake cable and straight bladed fork on the new 
>> replacement beater bike. I got a “Verve” brand front rack for that bike. 
>> Seems a lot like the VO “constructeur” rack. 
>>
>> Pelago:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 10:28, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone seen a Pelago rack in the wild? They come in three widths 
>> made from stainless or aluminum.  The medium size seems like a good 
>> compromise between a full-sized pass-and-stow and a small bag-support type 
>> rack.   In Europe they have lowrider mounts for them, even.  
>>
>> https://pelagobicycles.com/commuter-front-rack/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Stolen 50cm Betty Foy

[David Person]

Love a happy ending.  I hope the bike wasn't any worse for the wear.

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:01:26 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Wonderful!
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 12:31 PM esoterica etc  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hooray, that's fantastic news! So glad to hear you were reunited with 
>> your Riv! Best news I've read all day. Cheers,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 15:25, Amy DeVaudreuil  wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to report the good news that this bike was recovered thanks 
>> to bike index, this group, and the help of a fellow Riv enthusiast up in 
>> North County!
>>
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:03:38 AM UTC-7 KC wrote:
>>
>>> Pease post a picture or description for any details. We're out and about 
>>> in North County (and sometimes South) every day. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 5:22:44 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
 What color?  Picture?  List it on bikeindex.org.  Believe it or not, I 
 did recover a frame by doing that.

 Bill 
 San Diego

 On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 8:17:33 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Sorry to hear that! Where did this happen in San Diego? I’ll keep an 
> eye out.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Amy DeVaudreuil  
> wrote:
>
> My beautiful Betty Foy bicycle was stolen from my garage last night. 
> I am filing a police report and monitoring local (San Diego) craigslist 
> and 
> Offer Up, but in case anyone sees a 50cm Betty Foy for sale somewhere, 
> please let me know so I can track down if it's my bike.
>
>
> Thank you!
> Amy DeVaudreuil
> amydeva...@gmail.com
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[RBW] Re: Sam and 48 mm Oracle Ridge

[David Person]

It's not.  I searched but could not find a picture taken when the tires 
were mounted.  Doesn't look like I had posted a picture to the group.  

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 12:58:50 PM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Hi! 
> Is this your bike? 
> Wonder how clearance would be affected mounted onto Cliffhangers that are 
> about 7.5 mm wider?
>
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