Re: [RBW] New Bike Day!

[Gordon Stam]

Very nice, Brian. Nothing like a new bike. I'm thinking there's another top
tube bike in my future and maybe it'll be a Sam. Congrats!

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 12:04 PM Ryan  wrote:

> @Brian...that periwinkle is a great color and that's a nice build! I think
> I'd keep the eggplant which I see you also have on the driveside chainstay
> because it picks up on the purplish hue of that periwinkle. Although seeing
> the bike in the flesh *is* different from a laptop monitor.
>
> Glad you enjoy the bike
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 12:57:46 AM UTC-5 Brian Watts wrote:
>
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>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> I was there in the morning yesterday too.
>>> I think I saw your bike!
>>>
>>> Let’s see some new ride photos!
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Brian Watts  wrote:
>>>
>>> I made the pilgrimage to Walnut Creek via Bart yesterday, my Sam was
>>> waiting for me. I thought it would be romantic to ride home and get a
>>> proper feel for my first Rivendell...and it WAS. Roman is a pleasure to
>>> work with and he showed me some details of the bike. I didn't know this but
>>> they give you some swag too:patch kit, allen tool, bandana, the new
>>> seatpost diam. stickers etc...fun!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Build details: I bought the Sam Hillborne to replace a Crust Romanceur
>>> and moved most of the parts over. The low trail handling of the Romanceur
>>> did not sit well with me, felt too unstable and quick descents felt
>>> borderline dangerous requiring both hands on bars. I did need 700c wheels
>>> so I kept with the Velocity Quills in case I go tubeless again.
>>> *Hub sound is important to me, I have a White T11 that is very loud (too
>>> loud for me) and would make sense (to me) on a proper road bike. But the
>>> Sam (and the Crust) is my do most things bike, including low speed
>>> neighborhood runs with my kids, errands, etc. A loud hub is a conversation
>>> non-starter in these situations. I visited RBW earlier and really liked the
>>> stock Velocity hub, louder than Deore but still quiet-ish, a classy sound
>>> imo. Rich used one word to describe the Silvr hub.LOUD. I also have the
>>> Velocity dynamo hub which Rich says is the same as the Kasai (which isn't
>>> in stock atm.
>>> *Son light, paul cantis, White VBC cranks (44x30) albatross bars, a new
>>> RBW front rack etc.
>>> Bike thoughts: Only 20 miles with some hills into it but I love the
>>> stability! That was my main reason for selling the Crust and I love how the
>>> Sam handles. With sweep back bars the handling can become too light but I
>>> was able to ride hands free down small hills which I would never try on the
>>> low trail Crust. YAY!! I will fine tune bar height; the stem is a Tallux 12
>>> which is an error, we had decided on the 90-190 so Roman will have that
>>> switched next week. I will try to post pics here but if not I will reply
>>> with pics.
>>>
>>> I may change the eggplant bartape to olive or navy or grey. I'm open to
>>> suggestions!
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to more time on the bike, thanks for reading!
>>> Brian
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem report: most free ever

[Gordon Stam]

Could that be an inspiration in the background?



On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-6 mercia...@gmail.com wrote:

> Let's face it, Clem is just a wonderful looking and riding bike.  No 
> weight restrictions, no top tube, just one pretty lug and byzantine fork.  
> R'dell hit the mark squarely with this one.  
>
> Here is my (over)decorated Clem.  
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-7 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd be the first one to post a rare left side view of a 59 Clem 
>> but Franco beat me to it. 3 months into ownership and the picture was taken 
>> about 6 weeks ago. The snow's all gone now. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 8:57:28 AM UTC-6 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Figuring out what set up I’ll use for some overnight trips this summer! 
>>> Super stoked.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Franco Rinaldi 
>>> c:  646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>>
>>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kim,
>>>
>>> it's all very simple. You need a thrower, a catcher (if available) and a 
>>> photographer; boom!
>>> Or maybe is it photoshop sorcery? One might never know.
>>> I'm glad you like it! 
>>>
>>> here's another one: 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 3:20:22 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Oli,
 Tell me your secret of how you got your Clem to float in the air ?  
 This is amazing. 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 10:09:30 PM UTC-7 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> Two weeks ownership on this 59 Clem. My most minimal build with no 
> rack and no front derailer. It's set up like my 59 Atlantis and -despite 
> being longer in the virtual top tube- rides pretty much the same: dreamy. 
> Franco, we all need a picture of your new bike or (as the proverb say) 
> it did not happen.
> Have all the fun riding your Clem!
>
> Oli in SF
>
>
> [image: 11BD74CD-15DF-49F4-87A9-611D1DA907CC.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:42:39 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m about a month into my Clem ownership. It’s the most free and fun 
>> I’ve ever felt on a bike. Makes me not mind riding slow and soft 
>> pedaling. 
>> Can’t wait to do an over nighter with it. 
>>
>> Franco Rinaldi 
>> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>
>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Gordon Stam]

I mounted Rivendell Thumbies on the stem of my Clem. Maybe not universally
appealing but it's an option. And not particularly cheap, but what is these
days.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 5:25 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Dross,
>
> Thanks for the speedie reply.
>
> 8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move
> them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?
> This is the web page they sent me:
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/
> Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and
> smooth as butta' shifting?
>
> I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on and
> ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know I
> don't like the placement of the current shifter.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you
>> can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters
>> but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There
>> isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction
>> shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that
>>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of
>>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on
>>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes,
>>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the
>>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
>>> 
>>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
>>> is
>>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters
>>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>>
>>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
>>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know
>>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm
>>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem report: most free ever

[Gordon Stam]

I thought I'd be the first one to post a rare left side view of a 59 Clem 
but Franco beat me to it. 3 months into ownership and the picture was taken 
about 6 weeks ago. The snow's all gone now. 



On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 8:57:28 AM UTC-6 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Figuring out what set up I’ll use for some overnight trips this summer! 
> Super stoked.
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Franco Rinaldi 
> c:  646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>
> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>
> On Jun 28, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> it's all very simple. You need a thrower, a catcher (if available) and a 
> photographer; boom!
> Or maybe is it photoshop sorcery? One might never know.
> I'm glad you like it! 
>
> here's another one: 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 3:20:22 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Oli,
>> Tell me your secret of how you got your Clem to float in the air ?  This 
>> is amazing. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 10:09:30 PM UTC-7 Olivier Chételat wrote:
>>
>>> Two weeks ownership on this 59 Clem. My most minimal build with no rack 
>>> and no front derailer. It's set up like my 59 Atlantis and -despite being 
>>> longer in the virtual top tube- rides pretty much the same: dreamy. 
>>> Franco, we all need a picture of your new bike or (as the proverb say) 
>>> it did not happen.
>>> Have all the fun riding your Clem!
>>>
>>> Oli in SF
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: 11BD74CD-15DF-49F4-87A9-611D1DA907CC.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:42:39 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I’m about a month into my Clem ownership. It’s the most free and fun 
 I’ve ever felt on a bike. Makes me not mind riding slow and soft pedaling. 
 Can’t wait to do an over nighter with it. 

 Franco Rinaldi 
 c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 

 -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Gordon Stam]

Gorgonzola. Now there's an online moniker. Is it too late to change my 
screen name?

When I got my 59 cm Clem I put a Technomic stem on it with a 130mm reach 
and was thinking that perhaps I should have gotten a 64 because I had the 
stem maxed out to get the handlebars up to the height I wanted.  In a 
similar configuration the faceplate stem gave me two more inches (51mm) of 
rise. That did the trick. I've since gone to a faceplate with a 110 
extension and a handlebar with more rise and everything is still hunky dory.

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:38:06 AM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Gorgonzola. I’ll look at Nitto face plate.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:42 PM Gordon Stam  wrote:
>
>> Joel, maybe look into one of those Nitto 4 bolt face plate stems. I 
>> believe that the quill is just as long as the Technomic, or Tallux, at 225 
>> cm but the stem comes out at 90 degrees which gives you a few extra cm of 
>> height. A little geometry, or an online stem length/height calculator, will 
>> tell you how much.
>>
>> Concerning a step through for balance issue mitigation - I don't know. 
>> Maybe getting on is easier since you don't necessarily have to swing your 
>> leg over the saddle but when you stop the lack of a crossbar makes keeping 
>> the bike upright a little trickier. I got my Clem Jr. this spring (love it, 
>> actually) and that lack of a cross bar caught me out on a few occasions and 
>> I dropped the bike. I've since gotten used to it, sort of. That said youay 
>> be right, getting on and off might be easier if the balance is getting to 
>> be an issue. Good luck!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 4:32 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> @Joel,
>>>
>>> You are more than welcome. 
>>> I hope it works out very well for you.
>>> Send some pictures to us herein would be nice, when you get it installed.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kim, 
>>>> I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem, 
>>>> maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that. 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again. 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are more than welcome, Joel. 
>>>>>
>>>>> So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar 
>>>>> higher ? Right  ?
>>>>>
>>>>> After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I 
>>>>> was and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the 
>>>>> threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike 
>>>>> would not look right. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what your decision choice is. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed 
>>>>>> slower. But if I can still ride I am happy. 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Joel,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem 
>>>>>>>> <https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-technomic-ntc-280-stem-1> 
>>>>>>>> on my 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. 
>>>>>>>> I am 
>>>>>>>> happy with it on my Clem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. 
>>>>>>>>> I am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added 
>>>>>>>>> height. That 
>>>>>>>>> might b

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Technomic Stem

[Gordon Stam]

Joel, maybe look into one of those Nitto 4 bolt face plate stems. I believe
that the quill is just as long as the Technomic, or Tallux, at 225 cm but
the stem comes out at 90 degrees which gives you a few extra cm of height.
A little geometry, or an online stem length/height calculator, will tell
you how much.

Concerning a step through for balance issue mitigation - I don't know.
Maybe getting on is easier since you don't necessarily have to swing your
leg over the saddle but when you stop the lack of a crossbar makes keeping
the bike upright a little trickier. I got my Clem Jr. this spring (love it,
actually) and that lack of a cross bar caught me out on a few occasions and
I dropped the bike. I've since gotten used to it, sort of. That said youay
be right, getting on and off might be easier if the balance is getting to
be an issue. Good luck!

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 4:32 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Joel,
>
> You are more than welcome.
> I hope it works out very well for you.
> Send some pictures to us herein would be nice, when you get it installed.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 2:39:15 PM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>> I’m with you on threadless, not for me. I think I found the same stem,
>> maybe on Ben’s, Technomic XL or something like that.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> You are more than welcome, Joel.
>>>
>>> So, in a nutshell, you are trying to find a way to get your handlebar
>>> higher ? Right  ?
>>>
>>> After a long research on the internet, I found that long quill stem. I
>>> was and remain very pleased with the outcome. I just couldn't cross the
>>> threadless stem bridge as stubborn as I am from being old school. My bike
>>> would not look right.
>>>
>>> Let me know what your decision choice is.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 10:56 AM J S  wrote:
>>>

 Thanks Kim, you’ve got that right and the miles get less and speed
 slower. But if I can still ride I am happy.
 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> As we grow older, the gears get lower and the handlebars get higher.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 9:25:49 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> I bought a NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem
>>  on
>> my 58cm Nitto Bosco bars from Alex Cycles without going threadless. I am
>> happy with it on my Clem.
>>
>> [image: thumbnail_20240111_143550.jpg]
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-7 J S wrote:
>>
>>> Rich, thanks. A forum friend said he has a nitto steerer extender. I
>>> am waiting for pics. He said it would give me up to 3” added height. 
>>> That
>>> might be the least expensive way ro go about this and solve the 
>>> problem. I
>>> am hoping it is feasible.
>>>
>>> Hoping you are well and riding, my Hillborne seems to be the most
>>> comfortable but the bars are 3cm higher than the saddle compares to the
>>> Saluki and yes, I would like to Keep the Saluki if possible.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel,

 One more suggestion, albeit more extreme than a stem change, would
 be to have a framebuilder replace the existing steerer tube with a 
 taller
 one.
 I guess that alternative would depend on how committed you are to
 keeping the Saluki. Good luck with whatever direction you choose. The
 mixtes you mentioned would be on my list as well if my septugenarian 
 body
 demands it at some point!

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Thanks Erik, I did find both of those and either might be the
> solution.
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 1:14 PM Erik Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> Soma has a couple options. You could look at the 225mm rise Dirt
>> Drop stem
>> 
>> for some more height, or the mega-tall 280mm rise Nitto Technomic 
>> (25.4
>> version for your Chocos/Albas
>> )
>> for even more.
>>
>> Getting a mixte would be pretty cool, but so would keeping your
>> Saluki!
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the Nitto technomic stem is 

[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Gordon Stam]

By the way I think your bike fit looks fine.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 7:43:03 AM UTC-6 Gordon Stam wrote:

> John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make 
> similar faces. It is, after all, serious business!
>
> And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
> the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
> happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this one: 
> https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
>> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
>> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
>> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>>
>> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
>> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
>> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
>>> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
>>> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
>>> speculation though.
>>>
>>> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
>>> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
>>> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
>>> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
>>> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
>>> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
>>> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
>>> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
>>> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>>>
>>>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
>>> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>>>
>>> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
>>> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
>>> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
>>> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
>>> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
>>> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
>>> getting a different model for variety's sake.
>>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>>>>
>>>> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
>>>> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
>>>> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
>>>> about 78. 
>>>>
>>>> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>>>>
>>>> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt 
>>>> ok-ish. Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too 
>>>> stretched out and not really cramped either. 
>>>>
>>>> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
>>>> used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we 
>>>> all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
>>>> frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
>>>> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>>>>
>>>> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
>>>> be too large? 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks y'all! 
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Gordon Stam]

John, It seems that those of us who are test fitting our bikes make similar 
faces. It is, after all, serious business!

And here is a link to a stem length calculator that I found handy during 
the fit process: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php . That one 
happens to not be secure, but there are others, like this 
one: https://www.myvelofit.com/stem-calculator/



On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
> for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
> trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
> since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 
>
> Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
> you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
> the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
>> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
>> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
>> speculation though.
>>
>> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
>> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
>> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
>> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
>> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
>> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
>> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
>> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
>> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>>
>>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
>> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>>
>> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
>> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
>> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
>> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
>> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
>> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
>> getting a different model for variety's sake.
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>>>
>>> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
>>> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
>>> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
>>> about 78. 
>>>
>>> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>>>
>>> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt ok-ish. 
>>> Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too stretched 
>>> out and not really cramped either. 
>>>
>>> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a 
>>> used 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we 
>>> all know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either 
>>> frame so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
>>> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>>>
>>> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
>>> be too large? 
>>>
>>> Thanks y'all! 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] How to carry a Clem Jr on a Carrier designed For A Top Tube

[Gordon Stam]

Hey John, I thought about using one of those adapters but the the bike
would have hung so low (I think) that there'd be a danger of grounding it
out and ruining the wheels. I also thought about the tray style but that
would have meant buying another rack and if I recall I saw very few, if
any, that could accommodate the Clem's wheelbase. And they aren't cheap,
and I am. Of course, anything can be made to fit but my current set up
works so dandy that I have no reason to change it. Which is why I wanted to
put this out to the group. A cheap Allen rack works a peach!

Okay, a bit more than $100. I must have got mine on sale.

https://allen.bike/products/deluxe-hitch-rack

On Wed, May 29, 2024, 11:59 PM John Johnson 
wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>
> I have used a frame adapter before (something like this
>
> https://www.canyon.com/en-fr/gear/accessories/transport-and-travel/bike-transport/thule-bike-frame-adapter/10004231.html).
> But if you don't want to worry about multiple connection points, I'd change
> for a rack that the tires sit in rather than one where the bike is hung by
> the frame.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 7:45:45 AM UTC+2 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 29, 2024, 11:25 PM Gordon Stam  wrote:
>>
>>> This may be a multi part post because when I'm get a message saying
>>> "Your message is too long, etc."  So I'm going the post the pictures in a
>>> follow up. Maybe the pictures are too big? Anyway...
>>>
>>> Maybe this is not news but maybe it is. When I bought my Clem I also
>>> ordered a rear carrier that fit into the receiver hitch on my car. I have a
>>> spare tire mounted Allen carrier on a Jeep and liked it so I ordered the
>>> Allen reciever model. They are pretty budget friendly at less than $100.
>>> After I got the Clem built up I went to put on the carrier and, oops -
>>> there's no top tupe to hang the bike from. Hmm, have to improvise. I tried
>>> many configurations but the bike would always be top heavy and want to
>>> pivot forward and lay more or less flat. That looked lousy and it was
>>> lousy, reqiring lots of lashing to get it to stay put. Finally I hit on a
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> The pictures explain it but what I do is position the one horizontal
>>> support behind the seat tube and the other under the uppermost down tube.
>>> The frame rests on little pivoting fixtures with nylon straps to hold it in
>>> place. At this point the bike will still want to rotate forward, top
>>> towards the car, especially if the front wheel is turned towards the car
>>> (not so much if its turned the other way) so to prevent that - and this was
>>> the "aha" moment - I use a Voile strap to fix the crank arm to the vertical
>>> support, which I have padded. And now the bike is solid on the carrier; it
>>> does not budge. Easy on, with a bit of lifting, and easy off. I use a seond
>>> Voile strap to keep the front wheel from flopping around (I've sinced
>>> turned the wheel toward the back of the car, which limits overhang on the
>>> passenger side and also keeps the bike in place while you strap down the
>>> crank arm).
>>>
>>> One bonus to this method is it keeps the bike up nice and high so no
>>> worries about hitting it on the ground. Everything is high and tight, as
>>> they say.
>>>
>>> Final note, the pump is at that screwy angle because then I don't have
>>> to remove it when I load the bike. It looks sorta weird but I'm getting
>>> used to it and I don't see it when I'm on the bike so who cares! It's held
>>> in place with more Voile straps, of which there are 14 on the bike if you
>>> count them all up.
>>>
>>> Pictures to follow, hopefully.
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[RBW] How to carry a Clem Jr on a Carrier designed For A Top Tube

[Gordon Stam]

This may be a multi part post because when I'm get a message saying "Your 
message is too long, etc."  So I'm going the post the pictures in a follow 
up. Maybe the pictures are too big? Anyway...

Maybe this is not news but maybe it is. When I bought my Clem I also 
ordered a rear carrier that fit into the receiver hitch on my car. I have a 
spare tire mounted Allen carrier on a Jeep and liked it so I ordered the 
Allen reciever model. They are pretty budget friendly at less than $100. 
After I got the Clem built up I went to put on the carrier and, oops - 
there's no top tupe to hang the bike from. Hmm, have to improvise. I tried 
many configurations but the bike would always be top heavy and want to 
pivot forward and lay more or less flat. That looked lousy and it was 
lousy, reqiring lots of lashing to get it to stay put. Finally I hit on a 
solution.

The pictures explain it but what I do is position the one horizontal 
support behind the seat tube and the other under the uppermost down tube. 
The frame rests on little pivoting fixtures with nylon straps to hold it in 
place. At this point the bike will still want to rotate forward, top 
towards the car, especially if the front wheel is turned towards the car 
(not so much if its turned the other way) so to prevent that - and this was 
the "aha" moment - I use a Voile strap to fix the crank arm to the vertical 
support, which I have padded. And now the bike is solid on the carrier; it 
does not budge. Easy on, with a bit of lifting, and easy off. I use a seond 
Voile strap to keep the front wheel from flopping around (I've sinced 
turned the wheel toward the back of the car, which limits overhang on the 
passenger side and also keeps the bike in place while you strap down the 
crank arm).

One bonus to this method is it keeps the bike up nice and high so no 
worries about hitting it on the ground. Everything is high and tight, as 
they say. 

Final note, the pump is at that screwy angle because then I don't have to 
remove it when I load the bike. It looks sorta weird but I'm getting used 
to it and I don't see it when I'm on the bike so who cares! It's held in 
place with more Voile straps, of which there are 14 on the bike if you 
count them all up.

Pictures to follow, hopefully.

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[RBW] Re: Budget Clem L Build

[Gordon Stam]

Make sure you get a seatpost with it. Its a 29.8 seatpost which is kind of 
an odd size.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 5:42:45 PM UTC-6 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ciao Everybody,
>
> About to grab a Clem frame and really want to do a highly utilitarian / 
> budget build. Wanted to start a thread with tips and suggestions!
>
> Appreciate you guys,
>
> Franco Rinaldi 
> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Gordon Stam]

Well, there's something to be said for getting to your destination, hopping 
of your bike and looking back at it thinking, "man, nice bike!" - every 
time you ride it. That's worth something.
Also the resale value on Rivendells is really, really good so if you end up 
regretting your purchase (which you won't, unless you get the wrong size) 
you won't be out that many $$s

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:44:35 AM UTC-6 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Gordon Stam]

That color looks a whole lot like the old Pea Sage Green, which is what my
Romulus is painted with.

On Tue, May 14, 2024, 6:55 PM tio ryan  wrote:

> that's rad, wish my platypus had shifter bosses!
>
> -tio ryan
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:18:39 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Confirmation that it has shifter bosses, not housing stops like on Riv's
>> website. Also, confirmation of the color matching Riv's website better than
>> the Blue Lug photos.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20240514_231117156.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-6 Aaron Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Good catch. Not a lot of other sources for photos yet, but this
>>> Instagram post seems to have the ones from Riv's site.
>>>
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C66GqP7OwjN/?img_index=1
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-6 jdura...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious about the DT shifter bosses.  Different on the Blue Lug vs
 the Riv photos.
 Maybe I missed something in one of Will's emails?  Either way,
 beautiful frames.
 Jim
 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:08:57 PM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Tio Ryan.
>
> Of note, my green Susie just shipped. Exciting.
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-6 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> I have a sergio green platypus and the color is much more like the
>> riv pics than the blue lug image — the tan sidewalls on the wtb tires 
>> looks
>> off as well.
>>
>> rest assured, sergio green is a lovely color in person (imo)
>>
>> -tio in bk
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly
>>> different.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be
 indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding.

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com
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> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like
> some pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks
> substantially different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me 
> wish I'd
> ordered an orange...
>
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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Gordon Stam]

I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.

On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:

> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my paint
> color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting down, but
> it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>
> Rivendell Atlantis Green
> Rivendell Cream
> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
> Rivendell Jay's Green
> Rivendell Light Blue Met
> Rivendell Light Green
> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
> Rivendell Roadeo R
> Rivendell Roadeo White
> Rivendell Sage
> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>
> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead of
> glass like I received.
> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
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Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[Gordon Stam]

Snaking it's way through your frame. Interesting. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:02:26 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> He wanted to examine the YG's lugwork up close.
>
> I often come across snakes on paved recreational trails in the bosque at 
> this time of year, as the pavement warms up but while the thicket is still 
> cool. I don't stop to see how they're doing, so I don't determine the type, 
> but rattlesnakes are common here, and I've heard the buzz of rattles before 
> as I skimmed past a snake's nose. 
>
> Lizards too: I barely missed a few tails recently of lizards sunning 
> themselves in the middle of the asphalt.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:36 AM Allan McLane  wrote:
>
>> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>>
>> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
>> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
>> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
>> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
>> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
>> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
>> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>>
>> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
>> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
>> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>>
>> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
>> 
>>
>> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Gordon Stam]

I'm finding this discussion of 3 speed transmissions pretty interesting, to 
the point where I'm leaving the chain on the middle sprocket in the rear 
and just shifting the three cogs up front. It's a nice experience. You have 
to bear down and grunt sometimes, and sometimes you spin out, but you get 
the full range of cadences and the pedaling is more like you did when you 
were a kid, before discovering "cadence". I may be a convert, and I want a 
new wheelset anyway.

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> " an ideal half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole"
>
> I've got a developing build concept that will feature a 12-14-17-20-24-28 
> cogset in back.  I've got a 130 BCD crankset for the conceptual build which 
> has 53/42 rings.  I ran the numbers for 42/45 and 42/46, and I think I like 
> 42/45 better.  I'm going to grab a 45T 130 BCD ring and a half-step front 
> der and have some fun
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 8:03:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>  At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear derailer
>>
>>
>> Bad Sunday morning math. 13 teeth of chain wrap. Even better
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  
>>
>>
>> And if you pair it with, say, a 42-46 combo up front you have an ideal 
>> half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole 
>>
>> :-) 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Gordon Stam]

Hey Bill, nice build on the 3x1. Used frames and lots of spare parts are fun 
that way.

G

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Bill Lindsay 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 12:26 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus 
into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build 
concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a 
single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 
46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning 
I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike 
for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/

The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick 
release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely 
rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both 
black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two 
things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample 
clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.

I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a 
build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit 
on the RoadTrio.

Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a 
try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Gordon Stam]

That might have been me.Was it green, the Romulus? This was a route that 
began and ended in Pagosa Springs. And agreed, it is a good road bike, and 
I still have mine. I do recall, however, that I had a work a little harder 
keeping up on fast road rides on the Romulus that I did on my Gunnar 
Roadie. But I sold the Gunnar and kept the Romulus. Besides being better 
looking and just cooler it had more tire clearance and was better on dirt 
roads. 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:04:58 PM UTC-6 Jim Bronson wrote:

> A Romulus sounds fantastic if it fits you and you like the way it rides.  
>
> I came across someone riding a Romulus on Bike Tour of Colorado a while 
> back when I rode the event.  That was a 450ish mile event over 7 days with 
> umpteen tens of thousands of feet of climbing and many passes over 10,000 
> feet with fast downhills.  Even back then in the mid-late 00s us Riv riders 
> stood out from the sea of crabon fibre.  I think there were 5 of us on 
> Rivs, IIRC.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX 
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Evening Spring Ride on the Clem

[Gordon Stam]

Thanks. The trails around here have dried out enough the get out and do 
some mountain bikey stuff and I have say the reports are true that the Clem 
is a pretty decent off roader. It really does seem to be kind of a 
do-it-all bike. No pics hower.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 4:50:35 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Welcome back, congratulations on the Clem, and thanks for the binocular 
> suggestion. I lean toward the Carson since its price is more in line with 
> my very occasional and casual use, and because it's so compact.
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:09 AM Gordon Stam  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Gordon Stam here. I used to post on this forum, or one like it (I 
>> recognize a few names) back in the mid 00s after I bought my Romulus. In 
>> the intervening years I drifted away from cycling (I developed a motorcycle 
>> habit) but I'm back with the purchase of a 59cm Clem Smith Jr frame which 
>> I've built into a parts bin special. I've been lurking for a month or so 
>> but this thread has three touchstones for me: the Clem, the Central Coast, 
>> and binoculars. Nice shots of your Clem in the trees Chris. I went to 
>> school at Cal Poly many years ago,
>>
>> ... 
>>
>
>> Regarding binoculars check out the Maven C2 7x28. Maven makes good binos 
>> but a wee bit more expensive than those Carson. A better bino though. As 
>> far as taking them on a ride I just loop mine over my shoulder bandolier 
>> style (see below). With these upright bikes they ride against your chest, 
>> or side, pretty unobtrusively and are ready for viewing at a moments 
>> notice. I use paracord for a strap with a couple of slip knots for length 
>> adustment. This is the Maven B3 6x30. A step up from the C series but a 
>> right dandy unit. Costs less than a high end wheelset though!
>>
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