Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Guy LeVan]

I absolutely adore my 2015 size 57 in Tiburon Blue.  If you want to see the 
Grant design influence, check out bikeinsights dot com comparison of this 
model to a Bleriot in size 59.  This 57cm was a new addition to the San 
Marcos lineup, and is as close to a perfect geometry for my morph than most 
bikes I’ve ridden. This is a bike that remains in my quiver.



On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 8:53:23 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the link to that documentation. I believe mine is a 54cm 2014 
> model. It looks like I got the newer blue color with the older fork. It's a 
> bridge model, I guess!
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:07 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
>> Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
>> versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
>> the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
>>  larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
>> wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
>>  
>> 2013: 
>> https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf
>>
>> 2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
>>> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
>>> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>>>
>>> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
>>> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
 Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
 thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
 you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
 to attach the third bottle holder?





 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
> fork.
>
> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  
> wrote:
>
>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like 
>> it is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter 
>> fork. But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as 
>> mine 
>> yet with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have 
>> the 
>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. 
>> Did 
>> you rig yours as an add-on?
>>
>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid 
>> yet handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not 
>> a 
>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle 
>> in 
>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how 
>> it 
>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking good, Gary!
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]

 On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
> mind. You don't see too many in the wild!
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
> wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San 
>> Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is 
>> living its 
>> best life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
>> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
>> doesn't 
>> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your 
>> lugged one 
>> is pending, then it depends on price and timing. 😁 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 
>> in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group 
>>> rides on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun 
>>> journey! 
>>> I was lucky to buy Valerie's old

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Guy LeVan]

Hi Leah!

I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary 
addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, 
but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame 
in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to 
ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s 
more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, 
threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando 
bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv 
head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust 
every now and then.  

Crustbikes.com


Good luck in your search,

Guy
On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:

> Good morning Leah,
> I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a 
> fan of Mercians.
> A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used 
> Mercian KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and 
> had one purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to 
> consider.
>
> Cheers,
> David 
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Leah,
>
> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you 
> probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main 
> influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very 
> familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – 
> I still enjoy that type of riding at times.
>
> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend 
> checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, *The All-Road 
> Bike Revolution,* his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of 
> departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating 
> Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is 
> much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a 
> healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as 
> it's an articulation of the same sort of perspective you seem to be 
> arriving at: https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/. Jan 
> also wrote somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are 
> good friends, and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by 
> promoting what he likes.
>
> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is 
> not affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my 
> current riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for 
> doubletrack rides, and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the 
> Crust excels at long, fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make 
> randonneur bikes like my Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the 
> lighter-gauge tubing and the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate 
> front loads, but Grant has written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm 
> pretty close here) that he's glad companies like Crust exist and do 
> different stuff from Riv. I don't feel like riding my Crust is an insult to 
> Rivendell, just an expression of the fact that my riding conditions are a 
> bit different from theirs, though I totally get it if that's how it feels 
> to you. 
>
> I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race 
> and "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like 
> early 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a 
> lot of similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons: 
> it's designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights 
> are just as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more versatile; it can carry a 
> big handlebar bag for long rides without compromising handling at all; and 
> it feels more "alternative" when showing up to group rides, a feeling we're 
> all used to with Rivendells - but it's still just as fast as the carbon 
> bikes, unlike my Gus. And the biggest factor is that it's made of 
> superlight steel tubing, which I like not for the weight savings (less than 
> a water bottle) but for the flex characteristics – it flexes with each 
> pedal stroke and feeds it back into the drivetrain, taking away the 
> pushing-against-a-brick-wall feeling of hammering up a hill on a stiff 
> bike. Jan calls this "planing," and it's pretty controversial, and others 
> call it a lively frame, a som

[RBW] Re: Lugged Susie at Hope Cyclery

[Guy LeVan]

What size is the Susie?
On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 2:21:08 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I might be alone here but I think the fillet brazed version will have a 
> cult following in the next years... I'm so tempted (it's my size) but truly 
> don't need / cannot buy another bike.
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> While I agree that this would be a great deal for someone I wanted to 
>> point out that this is the fillet brazed version and not the new lugged 
>> version that are on pre-sale at Riv HQ today. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-5 rolling...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> Sharing a screenshot from Hope Cyclery's insta feed with some details on 
>>> this almost-complete Susie that's up for sale. Just needs shifters, grips 
>>> and pedals. Jarrod's closing his store soon and somehow this bike is still 
>>> hanging around. He'd love to find it a loving home before he hits the road. 
>>> You can contact Jarrod through his website 
>>>  or you can google the shop name 
>>> and get the phone number.  
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Hope_Susie.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Guy LeVan]

I’m a fan of the Berthoud Aubisque saddles and have two - one of the only 
saddles I’ve used that is comfortable right out of the box.  Lots to choose 
from out there, saddle wise, but for leather saddles, I really dig the 
Aubisque. Replacement leather tops available, and high quality 
craftsmanship- what’s not to like?  

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 3:33:41 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> I was shopping for a longer lasting saddle than post-Selle Italia B-17 
> among RIvet models after meeting Deb Banks at the  Philly Bike Expo and 
> picked the Diablo on dimensions.
>
> Turns out either my rear end is an odd measuring device or saddles cannot 
> be compared effectively by simple linear dimensioning. Turns out to be the 
> latter and why Rivet has a 364 day return/exchange policy. I traded for and 
> ended up loving the slotted Pearl. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 12:05:05 AM UTC-5 mike goldman wrote:
>
>> Rivet Pearl saddle is close to a B17 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] 135mm hub rear wheel in a roadini?

[Guy LeVan]

Great question, and I’ve had a different result.  I’ve got a Silver Hub 
(only available in 135 mm) laced to a Velocity Dyad, and it fit easily into 
my Sergio Green Roadini frame, without much fuss.  2.5 mm on each side is 
not much.  No mechanical spreading, etc.  in fact, the silver hub was 
really no more difficult to install in the Roadini than it was in my 
Rambouillet, which has a 132.5 mm rear spacing, and was marketed to work 
with both 130 mm and 135 mm hubs. 

Am I making a mistake here, and possibly damaging my Roadini frame?  I like 
the extra strength of the 135mm hub.  Thoughts….

Guy

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 5:52:53 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I had a Roadini and attempted to put my 135mm ENO hub in the back. It was 
> a no go—the frame was too stiff to bend out. Maybe being the eccentric hub 
> made this more difficult. 
>
> By comparison, I had no issue putting a 135mm hub in my old 130mm BMC 
> Monstercross, or a 130mm hub in my 126mm old road bikes. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023, Brenton Eastman  
> wrote:
>
>> I am considering buying a Roadini frame to build up with a mix of 
>> new/old/bin parts.
>>
>> I have a Velocity Dyad/Deore/SP dynamo wheelset I used on my Sam 
>> Hillborne and I'm wondering if that's a safe/doable option to put on a 
>> Roadini.
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[RBW] Re: New Build Day! Two Speed Road Bike

[Guy LeVan]

On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 7:06 AM Guy LeVan  wrote:

Hi Bill,

Great looking Rom!  I am in the middle of designing my 3X1 drivetrain on 
either a Rambouillet frame (132.5 rear spacing), or on my Atlantis or Clem 
frame,  and thinking about using a 44/32/22 old Specialized MTB crankset, 
with a Paul WORD hub in the back, and either a Melvin or a cheap derailleur 
on the derailleur hanger for chain tension. I’m in the Salt Lake City area, 
so lots of hilly terrain, and I am 62 years old.  Thinking about a 18, 20 
or 22 tooth cog in back.  I’m a competent bike mechanic, but this is a 
first dive into this configuration for me.  Some of my preliminary 
questions for you:

1) will a 22 tooth small front chainring function with a single cog of 
equal teeth?
2) Is 5he Paul WORD the correct single speed hub to use?
3) if it turns out that I would prefer a 3 X 2 cogs in back config, is that 
doable?

This will be an interesting journey, and thanks in advance.

Guy LeVan
Sandy, UT

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:08:45 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I added a couple photos:
>
> Drivetrain: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173631968/
> Bike: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53173144361/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:28:14 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> Anxiously Awaiting photos for APPROVAL.
>>
>> ; )
>>
>> Eric
>> Indpls
>>
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 11:55:58 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Three random events triggered a rebuild of my Romulus drivetrain:
>>>
>>> 1. Blue Lug instagram photo of Grant with his 3x1 Platypus
>>> 2. Joe Bernard desperately wanting to get rid of a Paul Melvin
>>> 3. George coming through with an 18T single White Industries Freewheel 
>>> when I offered to raid your parts box
>>>
>>> Because of the above, I decided to remove:
>>>
>>> Campy Centaur crankset with 39/24 rings
>>> White Dos Eno 16/18 FW
>>> FSA front derailleur
>>> Deore XT springless rear derailleur
>>>
>>> What went on was/is:
>>>
>>> Ritchey/Sugino 172.5 cranks with 46/36/24 rings
>>> 18T White Industries FW
>>> Shimano Deerhead front derailleur
>>> Paul Melvin
>>>
>>> So now it's a three-speed road bike, with gears of 70, 55 and 37 inches. 
>>>  The Paul Melvin documentation says it'll take up 20 teeth, but it seems 
>>> fine here at 22 teeth.  I'll add photos to the album.  This is really close 
>>> to what I would probably do on a Roaduno.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:06:29 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I pounced on a local 59cm Romulus.  That bike has long been on my list 
>>>> of "I'd ride THAT" bikes, but it wasn't a terribly high priority.  This 
>>>> opportunity presented itself and got to work.  
>>>>
>>>> Cutting to the chase: here's the album  
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720310604809
>>>>
>>>> The bike was a mostly original Riv complete Rom build.  It had a 
>>>> mustache bar cockpit, and Silver bar con shifters, but otherwise was 
>>>> pretty 
>>>> much stock.  It's got nicks and scratches beau-sage but was in 
>>>> mechanically 
>>>> fine shape.  
>>>>
>>>> This is going to be a versatile road platform upon which I could 
>>>> implement a number of different build concepts.  The one that had been 
>>>> sticking in my mind, though, was a front-derailleur only road two speed. 
>>>>  The forthcoming Roaduno is allegedly going to have both a rear der hanger 
>>>> as well as the braze on bits to do a FRONT shifter.  Some listers vocally 
>>>> proclaimed that "silly", but it seems pretty sensible to me.  I had not 
>>>> executed a build of that kind, and this was my shot.  
>>>>
>>>> From "inventory" I pulled together a nice two speed road bike kit:
>>>>
>>>> The wheelset was "inherited" from my Crust Florida Man., which lives in 
>>>> Michigan.  When I built that bike, I used stuff I had on-hand, including a 
>>>> pair of HED Belgium rims.  Those are almost impossible to get anymore, so 
>>>> I 
>>>> built a new set of wheels around cheaper and wider rims to bring that 
>>>> wheelset back to California.  I just grabbed them off the hook.  I put a 
>>&

[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Guy LeVan]

Val,

Sent you an email yesterday - just didn’t want to post everything publicly. 
 I’m certainly interested in the Clem H.

Guy
On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for sale 
> my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, headset 
> & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
> Shimano Claris front derailleur
> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
> Clem stock seat-post
> Kickstand
> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>
> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for shipping 
> and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in or near 
> Boulder CO.  
>
> More pictures here 
>
> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>
> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>
> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>
> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>
> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>
> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>
> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>
> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>
> Best,
>
> Val in Boulder CO
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

[Guy LeVan]

So, I just acquired the complete wonderfully repainted by Joe Bell 
Chocolate Brown on Cappuccino Rambouillet that you may have seen on 
facebook or eBay.  It’s got a serial # of RB0056, so it has to be an early 
model.  It came with 650b X 42 Panaracer Grand Rando tires and fenders. 
 Mine can take a 700c X 38 up to a 650b X 47ish, sans knobbies.  The 
conversion is simple with the Tektro 559 long reach breaks, and my 170 mm 
crank arm length works with the lower clearances.  FYI.

Guy

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:32:00 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> There have been a number of questions about the maximum tire size 
> clearance the Rambouillet but in my experience a 38mm will fit but by that 
> point the front end geometry, which is so attractive and defining of the 
> F&F changes enough that even a dullard such as me can tell that the bike 
> handles better with 32mm tires. Essentially, while riding the 38s I felt 
> that it was good to have the extra loft for all the things I'd hit as I 
> struggled against the bike to steer clear of them. 
>
> My 2002 64cm Rambouillet had 33.3mm tires on Velocity Synergy rims and I 
> immediately put plastic fenders over them for a long ride inspiring picking 
> the bike. They had some rattling under the original Shimano "groupless" 
> calipers I attributed to flex of the plastic's unsupported spans. Those 
> calipers were the pinnacle center mount caliper clearance on the market at 
> the time. I found the underside of the calipers lost some of their resting 
> clearance profile as they closed on the rims for braking and  rattled a set 
> of Honjo aluminum fenders I tried secondhand from another lister. 
>
> Ever open to ways to reach the best combination of better riding tires 
> under fender I got my first set of Rene Herse (nee Compass) Stampede Pass 
> EL tires and a set of Paul Racer center mount brakes and I believe I have 
> reached the Rambouillet nirvana after 20 years of fooling around with it. 
> What my Ram doesn't offer with these brakes over correctly sized fenders 
> and these really nice tires I used as the basis for my custom 650B Coast 
> Rando. 
>
> My recommendation is supported and tempered by a recent revisit, wondering 
> if a high quality supple set of 38mm RH Barlow Pass tires might shine 
> through the pneumatic trail that they inflict. They didn't, still feels 
> 'off" from the intersection of handling and ride at 32mm. I've kept this 
> bike on those Velocity Synergy rims the whole time (thanks, Peter) so that 
> variable isn't at play. Some tire sidewall labeling varies from a caliper 
> readings, I never got too ruffled by that while out in the weeds of the 
> tire marketplace. 
>
> Pictures of OE brakes and Paul Racer calipers over fenders and 32mm 
> Stampede Pass tires 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:07:58 PM UTC-4 cdres...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I know this has been covered before but still not quite sure what the max 
>> tire size is for a Rambouillet. Mine is a 2003 and right now I run 700x25 
>> with plastic fenders. When I replace those tires with larger ones but it 
>> looks pretty tight to go no more than a 28. Herse has the Chinook (28) and 
>> the Cayuse Pass (26).
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Guy LeVan]

I have way too much overlap in my quiver:

2015 Soma San Marcos (Tiburon Blue) - 57cm
2018 Atlantis  (650B) - 56cm
2022 Crust Canti Romanceur (Pistachio) - 57cm
2022 Sam Hillborne (HiHo Silver) - 57cm
2004ish Rambouillet (Joe Bell Custom Brown) - 60cm
2022 Wolbis/Susie (Dark Gold) - 56cm
2021 Gus Boots (Mermaid) - 59cm
2022 Roadini (RBW Orange) - 57cm
2020 Platypus (Mermaid) - 60cm
2022 Rosco Bubbe - (Purple) - 60cm

I would really like to slim down the herd!  You interested in helping?

Guy

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:

> Bikes in order of use:
>
>1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
>2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven) for clipped 
>in rides and longer road tours
>3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
>4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
>5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt 
>motor for shopping.
>6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile rides 
>if driving to a big car traffic event
>7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame as 
>the ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let Greg 
>usurp his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.  
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
> Bikes in order of use
>
>1. Joe Appa daily driver
>2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
>3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
>4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
>5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed
>
> Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!
>
> Edwin
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Guy LeVan]

We’re everywhere, We’re everywhere!  Thanks for setting this up - really 
cool!

Guy

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Funny I was thinking about a map of indicating where are all our 
> Rivendell brothers and sisters are located here two days ago. 
>
> Thank-you very much for creating one, John. Look great !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 11:57:38 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> This is sic
>>
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:45:26 PM UTC-8 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for setting this up John!
>>>
>>> John in Portland
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Very cool, thank you for setting this up!

 On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Pins are dropping!
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-03-11 at 2.37.15 PM.png]
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:59:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> The Map of Riv Riders is ready!* Thanks to Dave's example of the 
>> 'Unicycle Community Map' I've put together a similar interactive map 
>> that 
>> Riv Riders can now populate with your location. 
>>
>> As mentioned, the purpose of this map is to help Riv riders find each 
>> other, connect and plan rides.
>>
>> Here's a link to the site:
>>
>> Map of Rivendell Riders 
>> 
>>
>> There is a Google form registration that, once completed and manually 
>> updated by me, will put a pin of your location on the map. 
>>
>> You can 'drop' this pin in a couple of ways:
>>
>> 1. Provide your address
>>
>> 2. Provide a random address in your city or town
>>
>> 3. Provide map coordinates (latitude, longitude)
>>
>> Check it out and if it seems interesting to you then register and 
>> wait for your pin to show up. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> *I'll call it a beta version because I just learned how to connect 
>> Google forms, maps, and sites together. Seems to work well though.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Guy LeVan]

The HiHo silver looks wonderful, and will be a neutral enough palette to 
absorb plenty of colorful bits.  It is nice to see a different color on the 
Sam.  I’ve seen the LimeOlive on the Clem L, and it is dazzling in 
sunlight.  Both color options play well with the cream highlight paint, and 
you can hardly go wrong with either.  Looks like only the 57 in LimeOlive 
has sold out at this point.  HiHo……!

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:56:36 PM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:

> props to Riv for getting my frame shipped already! i'm sure they have a 
> long list to go through.
>
> too bad it'll be a while before i can get it rolling but i love picking 
> out components.
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:10:04 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Sorry about that! I based my decision with my experience with the fit of 
>> my 2019 58cm Homer. The 57 cm sam has a longer reach/effective top tube 
>> than my homer and i wouldn't have been able to use drop bars i don't think 
>> (but swept back bars would easily work).  
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 1:52:50 PM UTC-8 ccf...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Keith,
>>> If you click on a size and color and then put in a high quantity, it 
>>> will tell you that you can only add so many to your cart. 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022, 4:46 PM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>>
 Out of curiosity, how’d did up that info?

 k.

 On Dec 7, 2022, at 12:55 PM, DavidP  wrote:

 Here's what's left after ~50 minutes:
 48cm, 1 silver, 6 olive
 51cm, 5 silver, 8 olive
 54cm, 1 silver, 5 olive
 57cm, 1 silver, 1 olive
 60cm, 6 silver, 6 olive

 Seem to be selling way faster than the Platys (assuming a similar # of 
 frames available, which seems reasonable as I believe they've said this is 
 the most popular model). And if colors are equal silver is very popular.

 -Dave

 On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> Might have been me?
>
> I got a Silver 54 as well. First Riv. 
> Excited and relieved.
>
> I wonder how they are moving this round.
> k.
>
> On Dec 7, 2022, at 12:21 PM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Nice Drew.  I nabbed a 54cm Silver as well.  Already spoke with 
> Vince.  Since their parts bin is deeper than mine I am going to have them 
> build it up and leave my RB-1 shiny bits where they are.  #2 in line.  
> Someone out there is faaat.  :-)
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> just grabbed a 54cm silver. i went into thinking i'd go for a 
>> limeolive but something about the very understated silver made me change 
>> my 
>> mind at the last minute.
>>
>> i have an 87 cm pbh so i could have fit the 57 but i wanted to fall 
>> on the upper end of the fit range. really keen to see how this rides 
>> differently than my 2019 MIT Homer. now the fun begins... finding all 
>> the 
>> build parts!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:59:19 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m with you Eric.  My Saluki which I got last winter is a taupe and 
>>> it looks great with brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my 
>>> Hillborne I 
>>> would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If someone was 
>>> hot 
>>> for a bright orange I could be tempted.  
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think 
 these new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the 
 Hillbornes :) 

 I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
 warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and 
 warm 
 bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
 maxing out the neutrals. 

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought 
> as it was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but 
> not my 
> favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the 
> Black 
> (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful 
> colors. 
> There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my 
> vote. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  
> wrote:
>
>> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes 
>> are such great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could 
>> definitely see 
>> the paint colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 
>>

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 57cm standover?

[Guy LeVan]

I own the 2020 creamsicle orange/butterscotch frame in a 57.  You can look 
at the latest bikeinsights.com geo for the 58 and be really close. As to 
your question, my standover with 700c X 40MM tires is approx. 855 mm (33.66 
in.).  Hope this helps
On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 9:17:07 AM UTC-7 jo...@jwoo.org wrote:

> If anyone has one of the recent 57cm varieties, would you mind sharing the 
> standover in the middle of the top tube, along with your tire width? Just 
> curious. I searched for a geometry sheet but came up empty. Thanks. 
>

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[RBW] Re: New 650b Rims from Crust

[Guy LeVan]

You are correct, Drew.  The rh is no louder than a White rh, but much 
louder than a 105 or Deore rh.  It is what it is.  What I failed to mention 
was how nice the dynamo front hub is at this price point I like the 
wheelset a bunch.

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 3:04:36 PM UTC-6 Drew Henson wrote:

> I have a pair on a fairly new crust romanceur, and i like them quite a 
> bit. rear hub is no louder than a white industry hub i have on another 
> bike. I really like the SP generator hub, i think it's a good value. 
>
> I am curious if the spoke tensioning holds up. I probably have about 100 
> miles on them. 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:07:36 AM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own a set of the Crust wheels on my Canti Lightning bolt, and they’re 
>> just fine, although the rear hub is loud.  Mine are the 650b size, 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:11:41 AM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>
>>> I have a pair of the 700c complete wheelsets and I probably put them 
>>> through more rough stuff than they were intended to be on. 
>>>
>>> I've ridden them for about 500-600 miles, about 40% gravel (nothing 
>>> super rough) and 60% road in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills. I ride my bikes 
>>> kind of hard, with a lot of out of the saddle, high torque efforts. I'm 
>>> never riding any trails that I'd be more comfortable on a front suspension 
>>> bike on. The wheels were machine built, so they went out of true rather 
>>> quickly which was expected. At ~200 miles, I gave them a little touch true 
>>> to keep them laterally true. But shortly after (~70 miles later), they went 
>>> out of true again, and I attributed this to my lack of experience truing 
>>> wheels, it being machine-built wheel, how light the rim is, and/or how hard 
>>> i'm pushing them. 
>>>
>>> An acquaintance mentioned that he had to true his wheelset about 5 times 
>>> before they stayed true. I'm not super well equipped to true wheels 
>>> appropriately, so this would have gotten expensive for me to get a shop to 
>>> do this regularly, so I just got them detensioned/retensioned by a trusted 
>>> wheel builder. The wheel builder mentioned that the rear hub is a bit 
>>> crunchy already and he suggested I replace the bearings and clean out the 
>>> internals to get 'em smooth again. I wasn't thrilled to hear that, but it's 
>>> all good. 
>>>
>>> Anyways, the wheels are light and really responsive, I like how quickly 
>>> they spin up, and they're priced really well. But since I'm not a 
>>> wheelbuilder-type, I think this is the last machine-built wheelset I ever 
>>> buy. The wheels were pretty, light, and cheap-ish. But as a friend says, 
>>> strong, light, cheap; you can only pick two. 
>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:51 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have any on-bike experience with the Crust wheelsets? I'm 
 curious about them.

 S

 On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:53:16 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Heyo,
>
> I think this has been brought up in the past, but Crust recently 
> designed some new 650b wheels/rims that are a good alternative to the 
> Pacenti Brevets and Velocity Quills that serve as excellent rims for 
> lighter Rivendell builds.
>
> Anywho, they are now available to purchase as separate rims rather 
> than part of the wheelset...the only downside being you can get any 
> drilling you want, as long as its 32h.
>
> Crust Rim Brake Rims – Crust Bikes 
> 
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in "subsiding, but not from earthquakes" in Sacramento
>


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[RBW] Re: New 650b Rims from Crust

[Guy LeVan]

I own a set of the Crust wheels on my Canti Lightning bolt, and they’re 
just fine, although the rear hub is loud.  Mine are the 650b size, 

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:11:41 AM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> I have a pair of the 700c complete wheelsets and I probably put them 
> through more rough stuff than they were intended to be on. 
>
> I've ridden them for about 500-600 miles, about 40% gravel (nothing super 
> rough) and 60% road in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills. I ride my bikes kind of 
> hard, with a lot of out of the saddle, high torque efforts. I'm never 
> riding any trails that I'd be more comfortable on a front suspension bike 
> on. The wheels were machine built, so they went out of true rather quickly 
> which was expected. At ~200 miles, I gave them a little touch true to keep 
> them laterally true. But shortly after (~70 miles later), they went out of 
> true again, and I attributed this to my lack of experience truing wheels, 
> it being machine-built wheel, how light the rim is, and/or how hard i'm 
> pushing them. 
>
> An acquaintance mentioned that he had to true his wheelset about 5 times 
> before they stayed true. I'm not super well equipped to true wheels 
> appropriately, so this would have gotten expensive for me to get a shop to 
> do this regularly, so I just got them detensioned/retensioned by a trusted 
> wheel builder. The wheel builder mentioned that the rear hub is a bit 
> crunchy already and he suggested I replace the bearings and clean out the 
> internals to get 'em smooth again. I wasn't thrilled to hear that, but it's 
> all good. 
>
> Anyways, the wheels are light and really responsive, I like how quickly 
> they spin up, and they're priced really well. But since I'm not a 
> wheelbuilder-type, I think this is the last machine-built wheelset I ever 
> buy. The wheels were pretty, light, and cheap-ish. But as a friend says, 
> strong, light, cheap; you can only pick two. 
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:51 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any on-bike experience with the Crust wheelsets? I'm 
>> curious about them.
>>
>> S
>>
>> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:53:16 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Heyo,
>>>
>>> I think this has been brought up in the past, but Crust recently 
>>> designed some new 650b wheels/rims that are a good alternative to the 
>>> Pacenti Brevets and Velocity Quills that serve as excellent rims for 
>>> lighter Rivendell builds.
>>>
>>> Anywho, they are now available to purchase as separate rims rather than 
>>> part of the wheelset...the only downside being you can get any drilling you 
>>> want, as long as its 32h.
>>>
>>> Crust Rim Brake Rims – Crust Bikes 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in "subsiding, but not from earthquakes" in Sacramento
>>>
>>

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